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"Whatever We Decide Is A Disaster For Us" France Admits Putin Is Winning, Europe "Blinked"
While the analogy of Vladimir Putin playing geopolitical chess (while the rest of the world plays checkers) has been a popular one, the French ambassador Gerard Araud has a different - somewhat stunningly honest - persepctive: Putin "is more a poker player really, putting all the money on the table; saying, 'Do the same' and of course we blink. We don't do the same." As Bloomberg reports, Araud goes on to express entirely un-Juncker-like, how Putin has outmaneuvered his opponents and humiliated Ukraine. Simply put, he adds, the Russian president "has won because we were not ready to die for Ukraine, while apparently he was," leaving the ominous question, "when is Putin going to stop? Whatever we decide is a disaster for us."
Vladimir Putin has outmaneuvered his opponents and humiliated Ukraine by continuing to back pro-Russian separatists and flouting a cease-fire, making it crucial that sanctions on Russia remain firm, France’s ambassador to the U.S. said.
The Russian president “has won because we were not ready to die for Ukraine, while apparently he was,” Ambassador Gerard Araud said yesterday at a Bloomberg Government breakfast in Washington... Echoing the view of other European envoys in Washington, Araud expressed concern that the Ukraine conflict has hit an impasse, leaving Putin the winner by default.
Poroshenko is “kneeling in front of Putin with the cord around his neck and saying, ‘You know, you have won,’” and Putin is still not backing down, Araud said.
While many observers have called Putin a geopolitical chess player, he said, the Russian leader is more a “poker player really, putting all the money on the table, saying, ‘Do the same,’ and of course we blink. We don’t do the same.”
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The economic sanctions against Russia must stay in place to prevent Putin from going further, said Araud, who moved to Washington in September after serving as the French ambassador to the United Nations.
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“Whatever we decide is a disaster for us,” Araud said, again expressing his personal view. On one side, he said, lies France’s credibility as an arms supplier who delivers on contracts, and on the other, the difficulty of delivering a weapons system to Putin, who might use it against Ukraine or a European ally.
Araud concludes - rather ominously - and far too honestly for a paid-up member of the European elite:
“The question is there on the table: When is Putin going to stop?” Araud said. “That’s the reason that we need to keep the sanctions” because, “let’s be frank, it’s more or less the only weapon that we have. We are not going to send our soldiers in Ukraine. It does not make sense to send weapons to the Ukrainians, because the Ukrainians would be defeated real easily, so it will only prolong the war” and lead to a “still bigger Russian victory.”
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Another horrible French misread of their opponent. Probably why they bend over for every invader that passes through their front door. They couldn't mount an effective offence or defence if their chief strategist was Sun Tzu
Thank the Gods for French food, wine, women, art and architecture. Otherwise France would be one giant secousse cercle
@Fuku Ben
"Probably why they bend over for every invader that passes through their front door."
World War I cost France 1,697,800 dead and 4,266,000 wounded (of whom 1.5 million were permanently maimed) and 537,000 made prisoner or missing - exactly 73% of the 8,410,000 men mobilized (for a total population of 40 million).
This means that 60% of men between the ages of 18 and 28 died or were permanently maimed.
You can have an idea of what these figures woud represent for the present population of the US:
13,412,000 dead and 33,701,400 wounded (of whom 11,850,000 permanently maimed) and 4,242,000 made prisoner or missing. Can you imagine US reaction to casualties on that scale?
And the French DID NOT SURRENDER (Your stupid Jay Leno's style jokes are really not funny) …
In fact, these jokes reflect the hate of american warmongers against France. It remains still there, well alive, even in ZH.
They have not forgiven the offence of the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003, and their stale hate still show through "innocent good jokes" about the “surrender monkeys”.
The "joke" only works because you keep taking the bait and responding to it. Just say something like - 'How'd you like a Charles Martel hammer up the side of your fat head?' and move on.
Realize its mostly zionists provoking the Heglian thing and don't play.
I think "capitulate" is a French word.
Yeah buddy, so is "success" (succès), "accomplishment" (accomplissement), "victory" (victoire)...
You see where I'm going with this, stop bullshitting people with your bogus thinking.
Your avatar is more fitting than you think
kma, frog
Everyone is playing out their role that their predecessors played in the last episode of Currency Failure. The elite have been doing this since the early 1700s when they discovered they could get the masses to consider paper promises as real wealth. We saw them repeat the excercise in the late 1700 with Assignats, followed shortly by Mandats. Germany did the same with the Reichmark and then the rentenmark. At least 40 other currencies have carried out similar 'printing to wealth' schemes since 1950. An underlying repeating theme is 'save in our paper, it is as good as gold'.
Finally I believe we will see this end. The coming currency system will acknowledge that currencies are mere symbols to be used as a medium of exchange. If people stop hoarding them they can circulate and commerce can continue smoothly....now what to use as a store of value...I wonder...
A correct analysis, lasvegaspersona, but too optimistic a suggested "solution." Money is measurement backed by murder. All of the various idealized versions of what money should be tend to ignore what money actually IS. That is why the development of weapons of mass destruction, to back up globalized electronic frauds, is such an overwhelming problem, since there are no ways to operate the death controls to back up the debt controls rationally, after the development of weapons of mass destruction that are trillions of times more powerful than anything in previous human history.
The impasse in the relationships between Europe and Russia are due to there being no rational paths towards resolve their differences, since their failure to agree leads towards the criminally insanities of world war, using weapons of mass destruction, that would go out of control. However, since the established systems of our current kind of civilization were based on thousands of years of being able to continue to enforce bigger frauds with more force, and those who were best at doing that in the past are now the most wealthy and powerful people, who thereby dominate the political processes and related social institutions, there are apparently no ways out of their runaway criminal insanities than some series of psychotic breakdowns.
Notions that "money" should become more like its idealized list of properties, such as be a means of exchange and a store of value, tends to deliberately ignore that money IS measurement backed by murder, because the debt controls actually depend upon the death controls to back them up. By and large, most people who publish on Zero Hedge deliberately ignore those facts. They continue to somewhat correctly analyze what is wrong with the established systems, while then promoting bullshit "solutions" based on impossible ideals regarding what "money" should be.
THE REAL PROBLEMS FACING THE WORLD ARE HOW TO DEVELOP REAL MONEY, AS MEASUREMENTS BACKED BY MURDER, AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. So far, that has been totally dismal failures, because the real history of human death control systems was based on the maximum possible deceits and treacheries, so that the established systems are based on the biggest bullies' bullshit, while the controlled opposition groups stay within the same frame of reference as that bullshit.
That is how I regard those who promote "solutions" based on a new monetary system which realizes their ideals, without them addressing how the force to back those ideals up is going to escape from the paradoxes of enforcement. In that context, European politicians are almost TOTALLY INCOMPETENT, because all their apparent social success depends on them being only capable professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, which can trick and fool enough the European people, enough of the time.
Russia is one of the few countries in the world that still has enough natural resources left to increasingly strip-mine for a while. Of course, the international banksters would like to gain control over those natural resources, through their fraudulent financial accounting systems. However, the Russian people are currently able to put up some relatively coherent resistance to that. Meanwhile, Russia is being only relative successful WITHIN the ways that our current style of civilization is based on runaway criminal insanities.
The basic problem is that there are no ways to have a better monetary system without a better murder system to back that up. Nothing less is adequate. However, doing that appears to be practically impossible at the present time, since almost nobody will ever publicly admit the nature of that problem. Therefore, the conflicts between Europe and Russia are facets of the overall manifestation of Neolithic styles of civilization becoming criminal insanities, headed for psychotic breakdowns, in which context recommending political miracles, like the ideals of "money" be realized without a murder system to back those up, continue to be the common bullshit "solutions" promoted inside of the overall bullshit systems.
@RM..."capable professional liars and immaculate hypocrites": what a wonderfully descriptive combination of words!
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Meanwhile, half intelligence judges create, I'm out explanation.
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There are 6 million Russian speaking Ukrainians and they are not going to bow down to the Fascist regime we put in place. Putin won the day we put those neo-Nazis in power, all he had to do was sit back and enjoy the show. It's time for peace, hopefully the west will do that....but I doubt it.
More than 6 million speaking...
Russian is spoken more than Ukrainian in real
Far more in business
6 million or more Russian heritage live in the Donbass. It was Russia before Soviets
Well duh.
Europe is entirely dependent on Russian oil and gas, or people die as winter rolls round. Russia? Well there is nothing that the EU has that Russia can't live without.
It's realistically going to take 20 years for western europe to wean itself off Russian energy and that is only if there is a will to do so.
France is matching Putin in propaganda war.
NATO has sent lethal weapons to Ukraine. That is why they have held territory
Bad analysis. Ukies "held territory" because Putin, after talks in Minsk, asked the NAF to halt their counter-offensive against the devastated, poorly led, poorly motivated and running away Ukies.
The French are simply doing some preparations for exiting the EU .
Araud is following orders .
There are major benefits in being the first major country to leave the EU
See
https://www.academia.edu/8816411/Rogue_Swan_EU_disintegration
"Whatever we decide is a disaster for us."
The price to pay for being US led puppies
Dan or Greasy?
Hammer Down.
I will be clear, concise and sincere.
The sons of bitches promised us that if we left Germany and they also would leave NATO would be undone.
We left Afghanistan with poppy just then.
We did not know that heroin was so necessary for you.
We promise you that the Warsaw Pact would be undone, but we give the Czech Republic, Slovakia would be as part of our farm.
We fulfill our part of the agreement, send the Pro Polish bag, just with the Warsaw Pact, retiriamos in Germany.
The sons of bitches have not fulfilled their part and even tried to take over Chechnya, fucked to Yugoslavia, tried to base missiles in places never before thought.
The Georgia was an interesting case, a case apart.
There yes, there were military and political war, sent to fuck all.
My patience exhausted in Ukraine, told everyone: fuck!
We are Slavs already screwed Napoleon, Hitler, and before that the Roman Empire, fuck one more makes no difference to us.
You, Americans, the American government are playing with a bear but who the fuck will be a bear much less a Panda.
You can rend us in Rusia you will also be squashed, our "400" are not child's play and, but not escape the discord with China and there, that bunch of men without women will make the difference between their wives and daughters .
ISIS forget, this is the problem of the Jews, do not mess in Syria, this is our problem.
Israel will be sprayed in thirty-six minutes, try to save Gaza.
I would like to meet you and talk but with everything I wrote above, there are a lot of heartache.
I believe that by the end of the year sell much of their "bonus" Treasury will pay our debt and our currency is backed by gold and the Yuan.
The Chinese sell their titles until 2016, they do not want to lose the validity and like to invest in gold and real estate.
After that, do not know how many soldiers you will pay, will supply as many bases around the mute let alone how many unemployed continue feeding within its territory.
Honorable Dr. Obama, do not know what will V.Ecia Europe but, I know.
Try to stay well away from the Euro, in fact, we already got rid of Monsanto and gradually the MacDonalds.
That everything will be very cold in the winter of 2015 there will be so many North Africans like you who pity the Poles, one lot of unemployed people will make a difference in their military bases, believe me.
hehe.
Final score
Gipper: 1
Empire of Evil: 0
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/11181297/Oil-slump-leaves-Russia-even-weaker-than-decaying-Soviet-Union.html
Someone lost the NATGAS pipeline project. Oh boy, who should Obama and the other administrative staff blame it on.
Never Obama's fault, it's a terrible terrorist cock blocking his salesman teleprompter speech handed down by the banking cartel.
/ lol
Russia often uses their vast territories and cold weather to their advantage.
That's just how they roll.
Let your enemy overextend themselves, then when they tire out, clobber the shit out of them.
Cassius Clay did the same thing in the boxing ring.
Rope-A-Dope.
Putin is winning geopolitically ?
Oil futures dropped about 15 percent in one month from what I glean from wsj.com. And the Russian economy was stagnant even before that.
Draw your own conclusions.
EU will soon have to reach a hand towards the Russians or Putin will feel completely backed into a corner and become desperate for more war as a means to keep the Russians unified and to have an excuse for the tanking economy.
The wind of change is blowing. And I think it is in large part driven by changing technology.
My conclusion is you are both American and delusional.
HTH.
Not an American.
Delusional : sometimes, maybe.
And your arguments are ?
Energy vs finance.
Finance is for pussies. Reality is when the gas and oil flow reduce, power stations stop generating, factories stop producing and people start dying of hypothermia in their homes.
You are a believer in finance, you are delusional. Finance is a derivative of energy, the reality is megaWatts are what matter.
"Reality is when the gas and oil flow reduce, power stations stop generating, factories stop producing...".
What could the falling oil price mean ? Yes, weak economy, in part. But what else ?
You are trying to scare me with supply cuts, but prices are...falling !
What you are seeing in the oil price is US dollar strength, compare with the USD index. All commodities are down. This is exactly what happens when energy supply is restricted. Finance fails. Recession beckons.
As I said. Finance is for pussies.
The US dollar derives it's value from oil, not really the other way around. That is why the Saudis and co could break the petrodollar. What would that supposed sudden rise in dollar strength be based on to justify such a large drop in oil prices in dollar terms ? Revealingly, there was no commensurate drop in the exchange rate of the dollar versus the euro. I think your theory can, at best, only be partly correct. But hey, I might be a pussy, but I am definitely not a finance guy. Nonetheless, you do not convince.
Go back and read Dimitry Orlov. Russian budget is denoted in rubles. Ruble down vs. the dollar with oil priced in dollars means more rubles per barrel. Do a little math and figure it out on your own. In the meantime, oil price is down, making the effects, internally in Russia, a wash. See comments above re. your dying critical thinking skills in the West.
The ruble is NOT an international trading currency. Exports are needed to gain FOREIGN CURRENCY, preferably international trading currencies like dollare and euro. Foreigners BUY rubles, so THEY get more Rubles when the exchange rate is down.
You Russians can get as much rubbles as you want by printing. So don't tell me you get more rubbles for a barrel of oil. What counts is how many dollars or euros or other HARD currency you get.
And you are talking about critical thinking skills ?
And btw, The "West" does not exist.
If you read WSJ then you are a douchebag. I read them for almost 15+ years (subscribed). I got sick of their pro-open borders NWO shit and this is before Murdoch made it worse. All major media, especially TV, is total shit.
Putin knows what he is doing and his enemies are evil.
to my ( presumably ) Russian friends :
douchebag, pussy ( see below ) and the like are not arguments...
@ Piratepiet:
I love it when a guy appears like you piratipiet, a good producer of methane gas that Europe needs to survive the terrible winter that is to come!
It's guys like you who provide Methane.
You can believe that you will not feel cold, just feel some dislocations and an insane sense rather than making "fart" will "Choh".
Piratepiet, do not be shy, I already have a very warm barn for you.
This happens as follows.
You squats, I shove a tube half an inch to your fiofó for three months and you're eating pickled cabbage with boiled eggs - shelled - and produces gas to supply my farm.
Keep in mind that confidentiality is complete - unless you yell too loud at night when decreasing production.
hehe.
"the terrible winter that is to come"
Like last one ?
with weather, you never know, weather is fucked as fuck
@Karaio, too funny.
@ FredFlinstone, se você for casado, um presente a você e esposa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBCOtDyGCU
:-)
Oh, I am a "gift" to my wife alright. Some Brazilian poetry set to music, nice!
And the wind of poesy hath wafted from your keyboard.
We better place a new 3 week MSM propaganda piece to place blame on another secret unknown fabribricated Islamic terrorist cell.
Or we'll have to revert to old virus threats like killer bees. Did you know that if you get bitten by a cobra snake, the vaccine doesn't work.That's what this CDC organization will tell ya.
/sarc
How about that viciopus crazy raghead group,AL COUSCOUS?
Cobras and Kraits secure my perimitter. I don't have to pay them anything.
I lived in Russia, travelled extensively throughout the country, know Russian regions & the people VERY well. Western politicians do NOT undertstand Russian people AT ALL, they (esp the obamanation) just assume that Russians are like westerners with only small differences - FATAL mistake.
Just one simple example: Russians endure living hardships that would crush westerners with their comfortable endless holidays, cafe & entitlement lifestyles. The Russians can endure FAR, FAR, FAR MORE pain & suffering that the westerners can even imagine, much less inflict.
Pick a fight with Putin, an ultra-nationalist, and you better be prepared to either kill him, get yourself killed in trying, or surrender to him, because those are the ONLY 3 possible outcomes.
You really think this is about Putin ? One man ?
It's about the Wolfowitz Doctrine--Contain the commies and keep US hegemony! Like it's really working.
thanks for your reference to the Wolfowitz Doctrine, I looked it up. ( but I do not hold your view )
The Russians are not commies. They haven't been for 20 years.
Yep. Otherwise, a statue of Obola would have already been plopped down in Red Square.
Well it ain't about Medvedev.
@ SocialismIsCancer:
Half of my blood is Slavic, know what it is - the other half is from Austria.
You forgot to say that never a Slavic threat, a Slavic always plays with you but any belligerent attitude, a Slavic kills mercilessly.
I believe it is genetic, is another prism face life or it may be cold, can also be the vodka, will understand ... kkkkkkkkkk
:-)
just as 2 niggers sat on table with 1 plate each, the niggers always check neighboor's plate and try to taste before even looking his own plate. genetic too.
MH17. WE TRIED
Putin could win a chess match with a board full of pawns... JFC, the K-street slogan should be, "We're exceptional at shooting ourselves in the foot."
I've NEVER seen such an inept buch of village idiots screw themselves into a concrete wall, like the ZERO administration. Everything they touch becomes radioactive.
ZH is still online due to Russian protection. Don't fetish it.
Fag boy's NSA just uses this site as an easy source of ppl to spy on.
The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!
Beware rednecks, as you work on barbecueing grease a Russian is going to fuck your fat crack whore.
Defend your freedoms rednecks. To war, to war, God bless the USA!
There's no point trying to discuss the matter, too emotional. We'll see if Putin is on his knees in the middle winter or not.
Since India benefits most from cheap oil, I'm happy to be long there and short Russia.
too early, from daesh n' oil price + ebola + EU gaz/ kiev issue. no need to make a check before march 2015.
in march we'll have others pictures to look at, just because santaclauss magic blizzard will blow aways actual propagenda, no more shit on MSM, just christmas tree and happy grandmas...
december - february is a fucked up period you can't acces any serious stuff.
Merci
My father once told me to never fight a man with nothing to lose unless he is coming to take what is yours. A man with moobs like these has nothing to lose...
http://wpmedia.o.canada.com/2013/06/putin_horse.jpg
Take a cold shower, please. It is embarrassing.
half german reader are jacking off seeing this pictures while others half is fucking their dogs
Since when did sanctions ever become an effective weapon? They are nothing but political plays.
Putin wins because Ukraine is on his border and he knows that this is not about Ukraine, anyway. It's about cornering Russia economically and militarily, along with China to feed the industrial-defense complexes of Europe and the US. Gotta keep citizens fearful of USSR2, New and Revised.
It does serve to show how incompetent and ineffective Western powers have become, inspite of massive military resources.
Just as Russia lost the first cold war, they'll lose the current cold war as well. Ever driven a Russian Volga or Lada? Even Russians prefer to drive Japanese, German or American, despite the lofty tariff. Russia makes precious little of what anyone in the world wants, so when oil prices start to turn down as they are now, expect the regime to be under heavy pressure.
Well ya know, the USA is the biggest oil producer in the world now...so how does cheap oil hurt Russia more than us?
Russia supplies the EU with the most fuel because it is the easiest and cheapest way for most of the EU nations to get their fuel. The USA wants to take over that job and the profits, only problem is Eboma has a shrivelled up mangina where his prick should be, and Putin has a big fat nuke where his prick should be.
This game is over. The US zombie debt slave empire is undone.
Cheap oil hurts Russia more than the US because when the US runs a deficit, it sells Treasurys for two or three percent at most, and often for less than that. When Russia sells debt, as it recently did, it costs almost 10%.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-29/putin-ready-to-borrow-above-9-a...
Ladas are made by a French company.
The company that made Volgas makes VWs now.
No. Ladas are manufactured by AvtoVAZ, a Russian company based in Tolyatti, Russia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada
Volgas are no longer made, but they were poorly made when they were - by a Russian company.
Errand and country car is Volga..it is good
I've driven several different Russian marques. Russian vehicles make American vehicles look top notch. The free market itself testifies to the Russian preference for foreign vehicles (again, specifically Japanese, German and American): Russians don't want their own domestic crap! In fact, our family purchased a used RAV4 and shipped it to Vladivostok where a relative picked it up and sold in no time. We sold it using www.drom.ru
Another thing: Russians prefer used vehicles from America. Why? Because Russian roads are crap and Russians are keen to avoid vehicles that have been driven on their own shoddily constructed, ill-maintained roads. Advertisements on drom.ru specifically inquire "?????? ?? ???????", or whether the vehicle was driven on Russian roads. Folks pay a premium for vehicles that haven't been driven in Russia.
AutoVAZ belongs to Renault and Nissan.
Lada is now part of the Renault-Nissan Group.
you dont even know who assambly a car, how the fuck can american ppl be aware of what the fuck is goin on earth... even your own MSM put hongkong in brazil..
you fucking lost in nothing.
Lada Niva vs Tank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKsfhXMwRVM
China makes consumer crap
Russia makes rockets, missiles and other weaponry.
The two of them will be able to lick anybody's platter clean. And not in a fun way.
wants? or needs?
Kamaz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl11QFAvEeo
LOL! Kamaz. I used to love watching the Paris - Dakar when I watched TV. I was awestruck by the Kamaz giant trucks. Staggering and almost frightening like Terminator trucks. Their ability to drive through the desert is astonishing.
Volkodav or any Russian. I was thinking about Yeltsin again and asked this before. Drunken buffoon or secret patriot?
He picked this quiet, unassuming and almost shy man who became a Russian lion and patriot. How did this happen? Did Yeltsin realize what he did and knew Yeltsin could fix it? iwish I knew the answer of how this all happened.
It is something to study..
Yeltsin allowed terrible damage. His health was bad.
but he trusted Putin. Putin was very capable administrative
God intervened. Higher Power
That is my opinion
And I believe Putin think that way humble
that door would open for duty
but he told Yelstin he not sure he was ready for so much...I remember that
This group around Putin to save Russia
not if the opportunity came, but when it came.
they went to work
KGB was long aware collapse coming for more than a decade
understand Soviet was already dying, morphing into another form.
Soviet of 80's was already more free than under the Soviet tyrants, none of whom where Russian.
They hated Russians. They hated Christians
I was at the Grant's Seminar (Jim Grant) at the Plaza last Tuesday and Simon Mikhailovich (born in Russia and very smart) said Russia could not wage a war for longer than two hours, (unfortunatley, Europe can not wage war for more than thirty minutes.) Simon also said make no mistake we are at war with Russia now, but not a hot war, a cyber war and the US has found a new weapon to shake down countries-that weapon is SWIFT and he thinks it is no coincidence that US banks have been hacked recently-look to Russia.
Mikhailovich is a Serbian name. The Russians can create their own SWIFT network. It will be difficult for them since they will first have to set up a physical structure of international connection outside of the current internet. It will take time while they accumulate the necessary experience. Why should it have to come to that? Putin saw NATO's advance up to his own doorstep in violation of NATO's own promises to de otherwise. He has said in effect: "this far and no further." The neo-cons and the revanchists of the Brzezinski school are systematically violating international law in their obsession with destroying Russia. It is time for them to be pushed off the stage.
Thank Victoria Nuland and her gang of Cheney trained neo cons.Every foreign policy decision that Obama has made has been a disaster because he's advised by a bunch of morons at The State Department.Even the chief of the CIA and later on Stephen Harper (Canada's Prime Minister) were both made to look like utter moronic idiots that the world sees as nazi fascist supporters after they visted the new puppet installed Ukrainian leader.Now,German Intelligence has leaked information clearing Russia of any involvement in the downed jetliner incident which makes Australia's Prime Minister lok just as stupid as the first two jerks.That's what Americans get for 5 billion bucks,X socialists from the former Soviet era sucked a bunch of morons in the American Government dry.Should tell the CIA to be better spenders of the Afghanistan drug money.Spend the dope money on Detroit.
Agreed, the USA is dragging the rest of the West down. It's only a matter of time before they start peeling away and Uncle Sam is naked and alone. What's Germany waiting for?
Nuke are going to fall.
dragging down west make sense when you see thru the TAFTA project.
you hammer your partner then you tend the hand.
brilliant... no, just american way. hey, murika, did you know europ has already democracy ? no need to drone /bomb/ blabla ok ?
It is certainly agreed the string of fuckups is long and sad but for me it is a giant leap to think that they resulted from decisions made by potus.
It is far more likely decisions are made elsewhere then furnished scripts scroll over the teleprompters to be read between rounds of golf.
hell hath no fury like a neocon scorned.
remember, these fuckers are crazier than you could ever imagine.....and thebottom half of the class believes in them.
HA!
You make me want to matchem in KRAZY.
Prolly so.
The EU and USA lose because their strategies are no longer guided by moral principle and not supported by the people. Nobody wants to go fight and die for bankers. Short term banker tactics are not strategy.
ISIS is willing to die for their cause because they are believe in their principles, no matter how twisted and fucked up they may be. These fucked up effete, CYA bureaucrats are no match for determined foes who smell blood. Pretty soon the general populations in the West will also wake up and see how weak and pathetic the criminal elites are. The militarization of police and martial law is a tactical bluff the West can't pull off.
<" The militarization of police and martial law is a tactical bluff the West can't pull off. ">
That's interesting. I just read the story of 40 or so open-carry gun enthusiasts rallying in St. Louis, MO in response to 2nd amendment laws having been "upheld" in that state. Reportedly, the police stood down, all the while trying to appear aloof.
I was really struck by that. I pictured some personal and anecdotal experience with police contact. This seemed a de-escalation on the part of the PD in that regard.
Better than cameras, even.
there was never any risk for putin o/c he would not fold europe is pussified they dont have any bargaining power
Gerard better steer clear of hotel maids.
Why did you betray your Ukrainian puppets?
The new Ukrainian government needs 50 billion euros or more and you must provide them.
At least, Putin gave cheap gas and oil to the Ukraine and sent money.
"For someone smarter might be, if not humble, your best is lost in arrogance.
Humility is still the most beautiful part of wisdom. "
This phrase is not mine, my wife received in Whatsap.
For my part I am not smart, I'm not humble, I am arrogant, and the part that touches me is the wisdom in my fifty-two years of life.
The rest fuck!
hehe.
L'amour est bleu.
Pouca gente entenderá essa expressão.
:-)
sorry i ain't fuck schtroumpf
Sure Putin is clever
But then when a French Poodle becomes an American Poodle and obeys it's new master, it looses it's brains.
You bet Putin is clever. And not just when compared to our failed Negro leader experiment.
He does pretty good when compared to Bismarck or Castlereagh.
Russians can be very clever
and not scared of much
where does it go from here. france has a long tradition of leading europe out of the wilderness, whether in surrender at the beginning of ww2 forcing a british and usa response(the brits would have loved to see france get crushed for a year or two against the germans) to degaulle's(the gaul of degaulle) calling in the gold chit to backing out of iraq2 to admitting to a fruitless journey to hell against russia because of usa neocon policy so delivers the agreed upon french built warships to russia.
it is daunting for a first world nation or association of nations in europe in this case but even in south america and the pacific with less effect in south asia with africa militarily and politically neutralized in self prescribed(self medicated) chaos except for a few sub saharan states notably south africa, the s in brics, to go against the dollar economy without paying a huge penalty.
the size of the penalty is directly related to the time you leave for the parking lot. there have been people who have lived outside the system forever. mostly aboriginal people adhering to tribal custom, their own original delusion. there are people who were once in the system and have left either by force or choice. castro is the most notorious both for his defiance as well as his longevity. the rest of them are dead or going to be dead with the possible exception of a few exceptional people from coupla exceptional countries.
the petrodollar is the key to the usa administered dollar economy because energy is the key to industrial/post industrial economics. if you need dollars to buy energy then the dollar is energy. if the dollar is energy then getting lots of dollars is good. if getting dollars is not necessary then the need for dollars is less so the value of the dollar drops to its intrinsic value. things have changed.
china and rusiia, beginning with the modest looking efforts of the shanghai cooperation organization(sco) have gathered the asian states from syria and iran(turkey caught in the middle) through deep -stan land and recently including india all the way across the pacific ocean(with or without australia, re:coal deal) to guam(lol) and subic bay(LOL!)))). china signalled, all clear and putin jumped. that is why merkel was incredulous and sincerely called putin crazy initially. russia is not really hurting economically because russia doesn't need the petrodollar to begin with.
now that merkel has figured out what her secret fantasy lover has done she is plotting her way out of the slimy, std covered, clutches of uncle sam without committing national suicide at the hands of her bankers. she might run into the arms of her smelly french jigolo mistress to make the escape to her fabio fantasy with putin. france may enjoy germany's whips and leather for a time, just to get a seat on the new maglev to peking.
besnook
You asked: Where does it go from here?
a) Europe is a conundrum. Needs Russia energy but doesn’t want to upset the US.
b) Putin knows that US Empire is collapsing but doesn’t want to be blamed for its collapse, because US still has the largest military capability; and it won’t go quite. So, Putin has to be careful.
c) IMF knows that at the next financial crisis global liquidity will evaporate because of all the financial losses. IMF (SDR) currency to the rescue. Jim Rickards thinks China will go along with. Anyway, if SDR comes to play, so will gold.
d) BRIC’s trades (Chinese Yuan) takes off
e) US and England will have NONE of that… And we are back to a: The conundrum!
No one, but your failed bankster regieme wants your SDRs. Just more of the same problem.
conscious being
So, you have two problems here:
a) The Coming Collapse of the International Monetary System (dollar) -- James Rickards
http://www.amazon.com/The-Death-Money-Collapse-International/dp/1591846706/ref=pd_ybh_2
b) And you don't read my posts, because I am against "Private Money" creation, and you would know that.
All this could have been avoided if all these pukey countries would just fed ex all their gold to JPM....
Gerb00: All this could have been avoided if all these pukey countries would just fed ex all their gold to JPM....
...specially since JPM just lost 33% of their shit....
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1414157088.php
I'll bet they hate canoe accidents too.
The Russian president “has won because we were not ready to die for Ukraine, while apparently he was"
Mr Gerard Araud did not get the basics. Losing the only warm sea port, Sevastopol to the expanding NATO interest was an unthinkable military option. This could have been like getting a Russian naval base to Long Island. It was not much about Ukraine itself. Russia´s threat to the petrodollar monopoly is the main reason for its sudden emergence as an alleged global threat. When diplomats refuse to see this it will inevitably lead into more unintended conflicts, where stupid bystanders like EU countries now, shall foot the bills, while US interests remain intact.
I don't see any difference between Putin being ready to die for Ukraine or being ready to die for a warm water port. Everything depends on the poetry of your speechwriter.
plus ça change
Yes. You share Aroud's blind spot. If Putin was ready to die for Ukraine, it would be Russian occupied now. So evidently he's not crazy. And if he's not crazy he's no threat, militarily anyway.
It's a version of the age-old fallacy of trying to understand an opponent by assuming they're just like you.
My bad. WW
When I quoted TeraByte, I should have corrected his imprecise remark.
Putin was never ready to die for Ukraine. But he was more than ready to die for Crimea and it is occupied now.
He never wanted all of Ukraine. Just Donbas to buffer Crimea.
Very true. And not just opponents, WW. Practically everybody.
“The question is there on the table: When is Putin going to stop?” Araud said.
There it is. TeraByte, you point out how losing Sevastopol would be experienced by the Russians. Araud can't (or won't) see that Russia is playing defense, which means he can't see or admit that NATO is the agressor, and and so each time Russia wins a round it only increase his alarm and willingness to support NATO escalation. But if he admitted Putin is playing defense he would get it that his being willing to risk global war over Sevastapol does not mean being willing to risk it over Kiev or Bucharest or Riga.
Araud's statement could be disingenuous or scripted propaganda, but it seems off message just enough to feel authentic. Yet, how could he not understand that he's part of the agressor team? Is it just that like the rest of us he wants so much to see himself as good and reasonable?
Or could Araud perhaps really be that much not on the inside where NATO decisions are being made?
Hard to believe, but we humans are the inventors of self deception.
Of course, I admire Putin, because he stands for Russia. But he has a weak hand which he is playing very well. Every time the cards are shuffled and re-dealt, he still ends up with the weaker hand. Eventually, the Globalist/Zionist cabal which rules the English-speaqking nations will find their "man" who will use the brute power of the American-led coalition to overcome Russia.
Unless....
Nationalists can take over the governments of the major countries of Europe and also the United States. Ron Paul, Nigel Farange, Marine Le Pen, Mario Grillo etc. represent the "my country firsters", whose leadership is needed to overturn this "one-world" unipolar crap, which is really a formula for global feudalism.
France has had a strong nationalist theme throughout its history, hard-won during the 100-years war against the English, which survived the humiliations in 1870 and 1940, after losing its pre-eminence among European nations in 1815. The mass infusion of non-Frenchmen into France over the past 30 years has set this tendency back. But, if France can halt the mass immigration, it can assimilate those who have come to France up to this point. French culture and history is awesome! These immigrants will come to embrace France and French culture.
France must rediscover DeGaulle. Right or Wrong, Win or Lose, Rich or Poor, Admired or Derided, France must stand for France! And the rest of Europe and the world should have to get used to it, Once the French have rediscovered themselves, it won't be hard to see that Putin is only looking to reinvigorate Russia the same way as DeGaulle wanted to do for France.
The French ambassador Araud is playing to the EU-USA music sheet. He should sing the Marseillaise while looking at the Tri-color and remembering the centuries of struggle to keep France independent of the English and the Germans, and the century during which it stood first among the nations of Europe. Embrace what Putin is trying to do for Russia. And do it for France!!
The notion that "what ever we decide is a disaster for us" is a statement of defeat. These imbeciles are incapable of thinking, getting along, diplomatically working it out, not meddling where geopolitical blow back might hurt and understand the historical perspective regarding the Crimea. It seems the American puppets are locked in to a fate that will doom them and us. They don't realize the obvious, the American government is a criminal syndicate, a new fascism "owns" America, inverted totalitarianism. Obey!
- SSQ
9:o You'll Ever See1 of 8Disregard this garbage post
Playing around on my curiosity. Fucked up my test
See below
Somehow I anchored a video, it looks good in preview, until saved. Did my best to erase accident. Sorry ZH Members.
Um pouco de Paz!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBCOtDyGCU
Letra abaixo:
Para viver um grande amor, preciso é muita concentração e muito siso, muita seriedade e pouco riso — para viver um grande amor.
Para viver um grande amor, mister é ser um homem de uma só mulher; pois ser de muitas, poxa! é de colher... — não tem nenhum valor.
Para viver um grande amor, primeiro é preciso sagrar-se cavalheiro e ser de sua dama por inteiro — seja lá como for. Há que fazer do corpo uma morada onde clausure-se a mulher amada e postar-se de fora com uma espada — para viver um grande amor.
Para viver um grande amor, vos digo, é preciso atenção como o "velho amigo", que porque é só vos quer sempre consigo para iludir o grande amor. É preciso muitíssimo cuidado com quem quer que não esteja apaixonado, pois quem não está, está sempre preparado pra chatear o grande amor.
Para viver um amor, na realidade, há que compenetrar-se da verdade de que não existe amor sem fidelidade — para viver um grande amor. Pois quem trai seu amor por vanidade é um desconhecedor da liberdade, dessa imensa, indizível liberdade que traz um só amor.
Para viver um grande amor, il faut além de fiel, ser bem conhecedor de arte culinária e de judô — para viver um grande amor.
Para viver um grande amor perfeito, não basta ser apenas bom sujeito; é preciso também ter muito peito — peito de remador. É preciso olhar sempre a bem-amada como a sua primeira namorada e sua viúva também, amortalhada no seu finado amor.
É muito necessário ter em vista um crédito de rosas no florista — muito mais, muito mais que na modista! — para aprazer ao grande amor. Pois do que o grande amor quer saber mesmo, é de amor, é de amor, de amor a esmo; depois, um tutuzinho com torresmo conta ponto a favor...
Conta ponto saber fazer coisinhas: ovos mexidos, camarões, sopinhas, molhos, strogonoffs — comidinhas para depois do amor. E o que há de melhor que ir pra cozinha e preparar com amor uma galinha com uma rica e gostosa farofinha, para o seu grande amor?
Para viver um grande amor é muito, muito importante viver sempre junto e até ser, se possível, um só defunto — pra não morrer de dor. É preciso um cuidado permanente não só com o corpo mas também com a mente, pois qualquer "baixo" seu, a amada sente — e esfria um pouco o amor. Há que ser bem cortês sem cortesia; doce e conciliador sem covardia; saber ganhar dinheiro com poesia — para viver um grande amor.
É preciso saber tomar uísque (com o mau bebedor nunca se arrisque!) e ser impermeável ao diz-que-diz-que — que não quer nada com o amor.
Mas tudo isso não adianta nada, se nesta selva oscura e desvairada não se souber achar a bem-amada — para viver um grande amor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBCOtDyGCU
É um presente a você e sua esposa.
:-)
The Most important video you'll see (Albert Bartlett)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CFyOw9IgtjY
With all the problems in the Euro-zone and winter approaching the idea of making a deal with Putin is gaining momentum. Russia is the country many in the EU depend on for natural gas. It seems both Russia and many of the separatist in Eastern Ukraine would support federalization. Surely, no reason exist for Kiev to be opposed other than a loss of power.
Support for sanctions is mixed in Europe as some countries fear Russia and have an ax to grind with Putin while others wish to move forward. Saber rattling has only lead to death and destruction. As I see it little good will come from further bloodshed and it is time for the West to stop sending money to Kiev so they can ramp up the violence and continue the civil war. More about how parties are moving towards a deal in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/eu-moving-towards-deal-on-ukraine.html
not cold enough, EU bet on warm winter.
Merika has real fight ahead if it wants to tangle with Russians. We see how tenacious they are in eastern Ukraine and don't forget, the average Russkie is a hell of a lot tougher then the average Merikan who cries when Popeyes runs out of fried wings.
They ARE some pretty tasty wings..especially with the beans and rice side..
I've heard that.
It worked out good for Nikita Khruschev.
Final score
Gipper: 1
Empire of Evil: 0
Last time I checked, Russia doesn't have confirmed bases and troops on US borders or in the process of moving there.
For if they did, I'm quite sure the US' finest 535 would be raising hell (and the populace too). And at that point, justifiably so. That's what the sovereign military is for: to protect the homeland.
Seems Russia is within that confine at the moment and is being crucified for it by the Western media.
But, then, ZH readers know why: the unsustainable petrodollar overreach that's come to its climax.
Putin and Russia have no vested interest in Hydrocarbons. Only the evil west.
Without oil Russia aint shit.
With oil they still are not shit cause they lack the protection of property rights which makes investing in Russia a really stupid thing to do.
Russia had so much promise just over 2 decades ago and then Putin went and fucked it all up again.
I'm not feeling too good about my property rights just about anywhere, especially the USSA.
World Island = resources
Russians don't think so.....
15 Years of Putin:
http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2014/06/15-years-of-putin-rule-in-one-infograph.html
better worry about your own country
I'll take that to 8 years of Obama any day. Just out of curiosity, who is actually entitled to the pension?
Thanks Volkodav. I have been looking for this graphic. Google's not bringing it up anymore.
This might interest you also
Russia's Flat Tax Miracle
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2003/03/russias-flat-tax-miracle
"Let the Dogs Bark" Sheik Imran Hosein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl11QFAvEeo
The Master Race (Nazis) thought they were invincible. For a time, a country with a relatively small population dominated Europe and Northern Africa.
Then the Nazis' ego prompted an invasion of Stalingrad. The Nazis found out the hard way that they were indeed not invincible. If the Nazis had won the war they would have rewritten the history books and the 12 million or more people which were murdered in the likes of Dachau would never have been mentioned.
That being said, I wonder what the real history was.
However, it is long been proved the Russians are more than capable of defending themselves and attacking regression.
Obama and crew are like the 'invincible' Nazis. They lied so much, they convinced themselves.
If they keep on pushing this bullshit with Putin who appears more than willing to negotiate a peaceful solution to all of this, the casualties on both sides will be horrendous and the drones won't make a difference if there are any still airborne. Say good by to the aircraft carriers, the floating cities. They will be the first to go.
It is sad that Obama and crew and their predecessors cannot behave like honorable, intelligent men.
They actually only ever been defeated by their own offspring. So maybe so. Anglos, that is.
Last part......
P.S. you blew you creditibility for eternity when you put oBUMMER weasel fucker in the same sentence with those words.
Deep ditch your're in there.
Wasn't like that.
You got the American version...
not the real
"Pawns in the Game" William Guy Carr
It's never too late Ms King.
Imagine this in 71,
on winding, dipping, OLD River Road.
With a 67 Super Sport 396 throbbing underneath.
Dry 65 degrees on Oct 25, at night,
Ummmmmmmmmmm.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNB3rTka-LI
Walter Johnson?
Off-topic.
I said several times here that Brazilian is not passive, Valei the Gauchos are on the border with Argentina.
Here's a song that expresses the feeling of nationality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fM8cmynfxM
:-)
We can always count on the French to surrender first.
staff
Fuck the world, fuck actions!
Today is Saturday night, curtam some songs, beat a wank if you're alone, jump out the window if banksters are Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeIdJHgvLPQ
hehe!
What this boils down to is there is no way to put forth a land war in asia against a nuclear capable enemy. So aside from harsh language and making oil go down to put the hurt on the oligarchs what is left? A strategic mistake has been made. They are not going to cave before winter sets in then some cold europeons get fed up with NATO and the EU and the empire. Who could blame them. And what of the Chinese angle? We better be careful there isn't a foreign policy disaster due to arrogance in washington. Better eat some crow or step up and take the gamble the Russians do fold. But do something
Off-topic:
Few people know why the Rock In Rio (the Rio de Janeiro-Brazil) ended.
The reason was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1BD3V5hOQo
The Gaucho Frontier took a lot of shocks, sang a song, that shit never worked.
hehe.
"Simply put, he adds, the Russian president "has won because we were not ready to die for Ukraine"
That's right. Nobody in Europe will send their sons to fight and die for some oligarchs in Ukraine. Any politicians in Europe who decides we should commits political suicide.
So Europe continues with sanctions which is boomeranging. Yes, Europe is fucked but that was the plan all along: "Fuck the EU", remember?
@Joe. You are very politically incorrect! These days you are supposed to say "Nobody...will send their sons and daughters to fight and die...."
Oops sorry. And we should not exclude the transgenders either!
Nobody in Europe will send their sons to fight and die...
Not yet. Later, when the odds are much different, they will have no choice. WWII v 2.0 rolls on.
As a result of global communications and travel, people know for a fact that other people around the world are not evil and that only their governments are evil and self serving.
In such an environment it is hard, even with massive propaganda campaigns as has been done against the Islamic people, it is hard to whip people into an ignorant fighting frenzy ... as has been their way in the past.
The only excuse for the military these days is that their soldiers have few other choices and their parents cannot admit that they were conned by an evil serf-serving oligarchy during their time of so called service (conscription).
Just imagine, war breaks out and nobody turns up. But I get what you're saying. It is quite easy to create the conditions under which people are made or even gradly volunteer to fight. Prior to WWI there were big demonstrations all around Europe against a possible outbreak of war but still war broke out and people volunteered in droves thinking the war would be short.
Joe A,
"Nobody in Europe will send their sons to fight and die for some oligarchs in Ukraine"
Or their daughters for that matter.