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Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:49 | 5440557 slotmouth
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Both parties will certainly find a way to come together and screw Americans.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:50 | 5440565 LawsofPhysics
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+1000, this is the only thing that is assured.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:58 | 5440601 THX 1178
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Tylers... I am disappoint. You know the GOP does not stand for individuality, freedom, peace, truth, or anything else even remotely American. The members of the GOP like to think that, but they believe the official story just like everyone else. They want to extract money from my pocket and spend it on human killing machinery and kill innocent brown people with it. How is that NOT wealth redistribution? These insecure assholes are not to be defended.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:00 | 5440611 THX 1178
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Why can't I do drugs in the land of the free? Why can't I bang hookers? Why can't I gamble? Cuz a dude with a shaved face and a crew cut with a history of violence (military service) sez I can't. Not my kinda people.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:07 | 5440640 THX 1178
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AWW... what the matter ZHers? I thought you were Libertarians and Anarchists. Boohoohoo. I guest yall are LINOS and AINOS huh? Old habits hard to break faggots? The republicans are just as much a homogeneous violent hivemind as the Dems. The only difference? The dems acknowlege that they are collectivistic. Go wave your flags, go wear a camo hat, go drive your truck, go believe the official story of everything and go shave your face and go cut your hair faggots! go drink a budweiser and go watch FOOTBALL (A bureaucratic and violent militaristc hivemind sport which trains young men up to be cannon fodder). USA! USA! USA! USA!. Faggots.

-Your friendly neighborhood anarchist

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:12 | 5440655 BKbroiler
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here you go, you've earned it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:15 | 5440672 Looney
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...What Republicans Hear When Obama Speaks?

A giant sucking sound???  ;-)

Looney

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:24 | 5440709 SamAdams
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Interesting quote about Obomba/Romney Care:

Jonathan Gruber, has come out and admitted that the Obamacare legislation was drafted to intentionally be so confusing that the average American public would never know that their healthcare would rise in price and decline in service. Here is the full transcript and a link to the video:

“You can’t do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that,” Gruber said. “In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”

http://thehayride.com/2014/11/video-obamacare-architect-admits-law-was-w...

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:56 | 5440865 The9thDoctor
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I find it funny that on Drudge Report today the faux controversy amongst the neocons is that Eminem uses cuss words at a Veteran's Day concert.

Let me get this straight. The neocons are so disconnected to reality from being in their ivory towers that they have never actually spoken to a veteran before?

All the vets I know say f**k and MFer in every sentence. That's just how they talk. That's their language. This is just Eminem using their lingo.

It's so funny how the social conservatives are so gung-ho military but are completely ignorant of the military culture, mainly because they are chickenhawks that have never served.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:18 | 5440942 MrPalladium
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"All the vets I know say f**k and MFer in every sentence."

Not back in my day!!

But the weird thing is that nowdays even officers include the f word in every sentence, which never happened 40 years ago.

Wars are won by men who can keep their concentration while under fire. Self discipline, self control, clear thinking and quick reaction win wars.

Makes you wonder.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:57 | 5441070 Keyser
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Whenever Obama opens his mouth, all I hear is garbled noise, much like the sound that Charlie Brown's parents make whenever they speak... 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:09 | 5441132 Transformer
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And here is what's really going on behind the facade of the Left/Right Paradigm...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNIcAcrvi2M

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:29 | 5441216 whstlblwr
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WHAT GOP POWER BROKERS HEAR WHEN OBAMA SPEAKS:

Good he's feeding them narrative of false differences. We need the stupid Americans to believe in the two party system.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:03 | 5441109 MoneyMonkey
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Dont wonder at all... When's the last time USSA "won" a "war?"

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:50 | 5441306 cro_maat
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USSA (Corporate fascist USSA) has been winning a lot of wars.

Americans not so much.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:44 | 5441278 11b40
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I have no idea what kind of outfit you were in, or where you took basic training, but profanity was ever-present where I was 45 years ago.  On top of that, as a military brat, I saw plenty of formations in the 50's & 60's laced with colorful language as a senior NCO "addressed" the troops.

On top of that, the guy who said the American public is dumb is 100% correct.  His mistake is not taking advantage of the opportunity to point out just how stupid the public really is.  After all, we make fun of the general public 24/7 on this site the Tyler's post articles about it all the time.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:14 | 5440673 THX 1178
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I'm really not trolling. I'm totally sincere. The GOP does not stand for freedom. They take credit for it so as to convince their constituents to vote GOP, but they want a giant militarized control grid, huge sums of tax dollars for intelligence community, and laws preventing the American citizens from achiving personal liberty. They DO NOT STAND FOR FREEDOM.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:21 | 5440683 BKbroiler
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just messin with ya.. besides, we're on the same page on at least one thing, I ask myself the same:

Why can't I do drugs in the land of the free? Why can't I bang hookers? Why can't I gamble? 

Why can't I bang a hooker while on drugs at the poker table?  Why can't I have a concubine, an 3D printed uzi, and gold coins with my own face on them?  True libertarianism would be much more fun than today's society.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:28 | 5440742 Teamtc321
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Hey, I would consider myself an independent, don't know if that will suffice but I give you permission to bang all the hookers you like. Actually, I Hit the ATM the other day, thinking I might bang one myself this weekend.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:34 | 5440777 BKbroiler
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it's called doing your part for the GDP

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:09 | 5440908 The9thDoctor
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I'm really not trolling. I'm totally sincere. The GOP does not stand for freedom.

A lot of libertarians don't stand for freedom either.  They have this view that the state is evil (which I agree with), but yet they want us all to be ruled by businessmen.

I agree with Bob Black...

Without even entering into the question of the world economy’s ultimate dictation within narrow limits of everybody’s productive activity, it’s apparent that the source of the greatest direct duress experienced by the ordinary adult is not the state but rather the business that employs him. Your foreman or supervisor gives you more or-else orders in a week than the police do in a decade.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:14 | 5440927 Seize Mars
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Wrong

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:28 | 5440972 The9thDoctor
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Wrong

Excellent insight! (sarc)  Care to explain?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:28 | 5441220 stacking12321
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two points:

1) no libertarians i know want to be "ruled by businessmen". if you're going to make such an outlandish claim, you need to back it up, instead of throwing ridiculous statements like this out there, without any basis.

2) your comment about employer "duress" is dishonest. there is a clear distinction between relationships that we enter into VOLUNTARILY (like employment) and those that are imposed by force (government). free people have the right to free association, including making or ending relationships (whether personal or business) unless certain critera are met. shitty people like overly demanding employers will suffer the consequences of their behavior, as no good people will want to work for them, and the good, talented people will be able to find work elsewhere.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:58 | 5441083 LooseLee
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Businessmen? Real or 'Crony' capitalist? Very few 'real' businesmen left. So, a genuine Libertarian knows that most businessmen today are 'Crony' and therfore unfit to run a lemonade stand let alone a major country.....

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:35 | 5441234 N2OJoe
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Not true. Most of the "businessmen" you'll hear about on TV or whatever fit your description to a T but small businesses tend to be run by real people (non-psychopaths). You'll only hear about them if you personally do business with them though.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:48 | 5441301 11b40
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Amen.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:14 | 5441153 44magnum
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No shit just paid slaves

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:31 | 5441223 stacking12321
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-1

dishonest use of the word "slaves".

a slave does not have a choice of whether to work for a master or not.

if you have a job you've chosen to accept, you're not a slave.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 17:07 | 5441620 swmnguy
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You're wrong too.  A slave absolutely has a choice.  "Option B" may be, "Die Horribly To Serve As An Example To The Others," but it is most definitely an available option.  See the long history of slave revolts.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 17:23 | 5441680 stacking12321
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that's tangential to the point i was making.

with a slave, they are forced / coerced.

with someone going to a job volutarily, they can walk away any time.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:39 | 5441256 Spanky
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Gee Doc,

 

I can vote +/- for everyone else's comments but yours? Wonder what that means?

 

+1 BTW

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:50 | 5441309 11b40
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It means he started his post with parentheses or italics.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 18:02 | 5441793 Spanky
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Nope.

Found another poster that begann a post with italics and was able to vote the post just fine. Only Doc's posts seem to have a "problem".

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:37 | 5441514 PoliticalRefuge...
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If hookers and blow are counted in the new normal's GDP then then civil forfeiture ought to be too; so when that cop and his trained dog spends the morning rifling through your wallet and trunk, remember he's not stealing- his team is helping to build a strong America and to make Democracy secure for the children..

Pax Obama..

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:55 | 5441061 gaoptimize
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I'm a very good father and that is my identity, my kids are top achievers in school plus joyful and talented otherwise.  Never mind the libertine's concubines, in the land of the free, I am not allowed to fully pursue my calling and pursuit of happiness.  http://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 23:22 | 5442829 Seize Mars
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.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:18 | 5440939 Seize Mars
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THX1138
Your post is relvant to my interests

Thu, 11/13/2014 - 02:44 | 5443167 DFCtomm
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So basically your calling the GOP and Democrats statists?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:12 | 5440661 LetThemEatRand
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"I thought you were Libertarians and Anarchists."

Many here just say so because it is fashionable, while they secretly root for the Red Team because it's the "lesser of evils."  I've come to realize that this manner of thinking is pervasive in our society, even among those who say they realize the mistake in it.  Nothing is ever going to change.  If there's ever a revolution, it will be to put one of the Teams back in power. 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:16 | 5440681 NidStyles
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Have you been reading Rothbard again?

 

You are correct, the majority of the people whom would identify with libertarianism don't actually understand what libertariansim means. Most of them wouldn't have the instestinal fortitude to live that sort of lifestyle.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:27 | 5440734 THX 1178
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+1 take a lot of work and courage to blaze your own trail and stand on your own. But its worth it.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:25 | 5440965 The9thDoctor
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Many here just say so because it is fashionable, while they secretly root for the Red Team because it's the "lesser of evils."

As usual LTER gets a ton of downvotes from the neocons who have infested this site.

The word anarchist is very fashionable nowadays.  So much so that the Lew Rockwell crowd renamed Corportism as anarcho-capitalism.  Private courts, private armies, private security, private toll roads, private property (as in public lands for camping, hiking, recreation are now off limits and those activities are now constituted as trespassing by the new private owners).  None of this "private" is freedom.  Especially if only big banks with their bailouts are the only ones in the world who have the financial resources to privatize everything.  An excellent example is Goldman Sachs buying up Greece.

Yeah, those corporate shills have freedom.  You the working class joe, well you need to work harder you lazy SOB.  Keep slaving away to the big boys!  And remember, minimum wage is anti-market, so spend the 5 tokens a week you earn from the private business at their company store.  There are no unions and no osha so enjoy your 16 hour shift, 7 days a week to keep up with their production.

Your bosses live it up, and you have nothing.  That's their version of "anarchy" dude!

No wonder the Rockefellers gave Mises their original funding.  It's their old system all over again.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:49 | 5441033 Earl Slaughter-...
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"None of this "private" is freedom.

"Common-good" is a dirty-word amongst those who preach the cliche "personal responsibility," i.e.; selfishness, greed, and a "fuck-thy-neighbor" sense of social responsibility.

Thanks Doc-- in six words you helped me articulate many an argument against Obamacare, charter schools, and military contractors!

(Off to grab my chainsaw to prep for a bit of minor-surgery-- thanks again!) 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:03 | 5441104 The9thDoctor
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"Common-good" is a dirty-word amongst those who preach the cliche "personal responsibility," i.e.; selfishness, greed, and a "fuck-thy-neighbor" sense of social responsibility.

I don't support "common good" either, so what is your point?

Common good is collectivism, and I support strong individualism and selfhood, hence my criticisms of BOTH the state and corporatism.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:12 | 5441143 LooseLee
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Strong individualism and selfhood, tempered with INTELLIGENCE, is The Common Good.

Thu, 11/13/2014 - 02:28 | 5443146 James-Morrison
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Neocons.
Neoliberal.
What's the difference?
Thing1.
Thing2.
They are both managed by the Cat in the Hat.

It can't happen here
It can't happen here
I'm telling you, my dear
That it can't happen here
Because I been checkin' it out, baby
I checked it out a couple a times, hmmmmmmmm

And I'm telling you
It can't happen here
Oh darling, it's important that you believe me
(bop bop bop bop)
That it can't happen here
F Zappa

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:14 | 5441417 bagehot99
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9th

I don't recognize the Dickensian world you describe. 

I don't recognize what you advocate in terms of governance either. 

I'm a libertarian, by temperament, and I ran as a libertarian for state rep in Missouri.

But first and foremost I oppose collectivism, and that's what Obama and his crowd represent to a far greater extent than any Republican. So given the practical limits of voting libertarian - you're not going to see your candidate win, in all likelihood - damage limitation dictates that you vote Republican.

It's like amputation. You don't like cutting the gangrenous half of your leg off, but the alternative is far worse.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:22 | 5441440 Sean7k
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You might want to take the time to read about anarcho-capitalism before you write about it. It is the exact opposite of corporatism. 

While I do not personally agree with all of its' tenets, none of them include your wish list of private facilities. They do include people agreeing to facilitate trade through private interactions without a state to interfere. This is a big difference. A court would have no power to enforce an action unless both parties agreed beforehand to this type of mediation. Private armies would be vulnerable to the actions of the community to frustrate it. Toll roads would be an option, but may fall into disfavor if an enterprising set of communities encouraged trade with free passage. Property would be limited to your ability to control it or the community might enforce claims. Businesses could be held liable for their actions environmentally. 

How would big banks buy up everything? Money would be valued according to what people accept, not "legal tender". Why would I care how many paper dollars you have? 

Most important, people could redefine all these terms in view of liberty, rather than have the State define it for them. Law is the means by which they enslave us all. Eliminate the written law and liberty becomes a possibility. 

There are no perfect systems. It might be nice to have a choice however, which you presently don't have. To call a system that is ill defined with plenty of potential the same as the corporatism we suffer under today is just a bad lie.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:50 | 5440855 ILLILLILLI
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American sheeple have been trained to do what they are told to do...

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:02 | 5440887 Zadok
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Regarding "You are correct, the majority of the people whom would identify with libertarianism don't actually understand what libertariansim means. Most of them wouldn't have the instestinal fortitude to live that sort of lifestyle."

The true beauty is that they would not have too and no one would force them too. Their personal box could be as open or confining as they like.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:19 | 5440694 THX 1178
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Yes, I've noticed that as well. Normally the left are given in to trendiness, but notice that as soon as Obmam was elected, suddenly everyone had a mind of their own. Suddenly everone was a conspiracy theorist or an anarchist. Lest we forget the military men and intelligence functionaries that carried out 9/11? Like I said, old habits are hard to break, and the GOPers are a very very proud bunch. Not eager to engage in the sort of humility it takes to admit that they are, in fact, the bureaucratic, Nazi-like hivemind that believes the official story, supports invading other countries and killing the people to be found there. That take s a lot of fucking humility.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:33 | 5440987 Greenskeeper_Carl
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As a former GOPer I can say you are right in some ways. I should probably thank john McCain, since it was when he was the presidential nominee, that pretty much did it with the GOP for me. Hearing RP speak on the same stage changed my stance on many things. I was never a fan of GWB (lesser of two evils, so I thought at the time) but McCain VS Obama was the last straw. But it is hard to completely let go of old bias. In some ways I loathe the GOP worse than the dems simply because, going all the way back to Reagan, they get themselves elected by spouting all this libertarian/freedom/small limited govt rhetoric, then do the exact opposite once they get into office. Case in point, name any good that came out of them having senate, congress, and the White House.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:22 | 5440713 Jonathan Equine...
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fuckin' labels, though man.  Do more harm...

'Libertarians' will often call me a "socialist" because I'm not myopic and think, for example, a well educated and healthy citizenry is vital to the health of the country [the nation, not necessarily the state]. 

I think we all do our best to determine what's fair/just/best.  Here, I feel 'liberal' sometimes.  When I read Daily Kos or Salon I'm reminded why, mostly, I disagree with the Left.  The whole government coercion thing.   That isn't to say a little coercion isn't necessary sometimes.

 

Anyway, you might be interested: 

Thomas Paine Was A Red: Or a Primer on Libertarian Welfare Schemes
Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:45 | 5441021 The9thDoctor
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I feel 'liberal' sometimes

The original definition of liberal was the opposition to Monarchy and the Divine Right of Kings.

Liberalism in its classical definition is pretty much unanimous amongst the ZH readership.

The problem I have with the Salon, Daily Kos, HuffPo crowd is that they want the state to control every facet of my life.  The problem I have with the WND, The Blaze, Infowars crowd is that they want the state to enforce their particular nuanced interpretation of the King James Version on to my life.  The problem I have with the Lew Rockwell, Mises, Ron Paul crowd is that they want corporate rule over my life.

The problem I have with the new Zero Hedge (as opposed to the die hard libertarians of years past) is that they have gotten way too GOP.  When LTER gets a boatload of downvotes for pointing that out, I know this place is infested with righty termites.

I miss the old debates of Mises vs. Menger; Bitcoin vs PMs; anarchy vs. libertarian; geolibertarianism vs. anarcho-capitalism; right-libertarians vs left-libertarians; stawks vs metals.  Nowadays its this GOP shill is not as bad as those democrats.  The quality of debate has regressed back to the brain dead 1990s.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:38 | 5441258 stacking12321
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LTER gets downvotes because he's a self-righteous, arrogant prick with an ayn rand fetish.

i've never been a righty, btw; if anything, i used to be left-leaning; now, anarchist.

to hell with the GOP and the dems, both.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:51 | 5441570 PoliticalRefuge...
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What ever happend to that 'no labels' movement?..guess they must have gotten labeled..

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:16 | 5441114 MrPalladium
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"You are correct, the majority of the people whom would identify with libertarianism don't actually understand what libertariansim means. Most of them wouldn't have the instestinal fortitude to live that sort of lifestyle."

Libertaria as a society without social and behavioral restraints is a dream that will never happen. Successful human societies always exert social pressure upon fellow members to behave in ways that benefit the group, keep it cohesive, keep its collective cradle full and keep invaders from subjugating them.

A successful society or nation is one in which social pressure bears most of the responsibility for inducing beneficial behavior among individuals and minimizes the power of government to interfere and change those group social pressures. As long as libertaria allows freedom of association - which means freedom to discriminate - then like minded individuals will gather themselves and concentrate in certain neighborhoods, counties and states and thereby exclude, through private transactions, those who want to indulge in vices of which they disapprove, thus blocking entry and driving out individuals who wish to engage in behaviors and belief systems that are repugnant to the group.

But if libertaria is intending to keep all the so called "civil rights" laws and use goverment force to ensure they are obeyed, then libertaria is yet another attack on people who want to live in communities that uphold traditional Christian morals or by other means ensure the willingness to sacrifice for the benefit of the group and uphold its behavioral standards. In a true libertaria like minded individuals would set up their own schools, teach what they want and exclude who they want, and do the same with neighborhood housing patterns, and with commerce and employment.

After twenty or so years of the sorting out process, I would not be surprised if libertarians do not discover how limited the remaining practical opportunities for vice really are and how difficult it is to prey upon and seduce members of those healthy communities who have developed rigorous methods of social pressure and exclusion and pervasive reward structures for adhering to community standards, and thus are no longer under the sway of public school conditioning, main stream media and advertising, and incessant government meddling and subsidies to favored business.

Homo econonomicus has his collective and instinctive limitations.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:47 | 5441287 DeusHedge
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Fucking correct. While man sees that conservatism and perhaps free thinking libertarianism will lead to as much sovereignty as can be cut from the pie, God sees that riches and wealth invariably leads to spoiled people. People forget the desperation of the masses, the competition for GDP, what it would take to steal more wealth from a) and b).

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:16 | 5440684 Jonathan Equine...
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Anarchism is idiotic and juvenile, at least if you understand the basics of human cuntery, but I'm surprised you got so many junks in the OP.  Lots of repugnicunts here now? 

You're right - they engage in wealth redistribution too.  I'm not sure, over the course of the past 100 years, however, that it can be said that Dems are less bloodthirsty than the GOP.

Both parties long ago abandoned the idea that American soldiers and Marines should only be asked to risk their lives defending the United States directly, or its vital interests. 

 

Not oil, not gas pipelines, not the petrodllar, and not Israel.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:22 | 5440712 THX 1178
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I don't think it is idiotic and juvenile. Considering the amount of destruction the state and banking cartel have caused over the centuries... 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:26 | 5440730 Jonathan Equine...
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sorry, not aiming to get into an argument over it.  I disagree with it as hopelessly idealistic and nedlessly callous in practice.

Disorder/entropy is more powerful than chaos....  if your worldview counts largely on the honesty and ethicality of human beings in the absence of real costs to dishonesty [or violence] - its time to examine your premises.

 

Civilization, meaning civilized behavior, is a very, very fragile thing.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:39 | 5440799 THX 1178
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I see anarchism as a counterbalance to statism. Not as an end but as a means to prevent tyrrany, democide. It is both formless and platformless, and doesnt rely on laws and politics, but instead on guerilla tactics: bitcoin, dark wallet, darknet, non-hierarchical communication, self-organizing systems. You are right, in that anarchism is generally seen as callous in practice- a round black bomb with a hissing fuse hurled at a government building, but in reality it is peaceful AND revolutionary. i think we are moving toward a collapse. This collapse with bring with it a new ethos- worldwide. It will bring and end to all power and authority, or so the prophecy goes. We are right on the cusp of it.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:52 | 5441051 The9thDoctor
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Anarchism is idiotic and juvenile

Masses depending on a big daddy authority figure, to me, seems much more idiotic and juvenile, than self-ownership.

The reason why humans need a state is that they are still psychologically infantile and are still developing and maturing.  Only 250 years ago, did humans challenge monarchism; then just the last century challenged communism and fascism; nowadays we are challenging corporatism. Who knows with the rapid advancement what challenges will be faced in this century, let alone, the next one.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:51 | 5441312 stacking12321
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"The reason why humans need a state is that they are still psychologically infantile and are still developing and maturing.  "

it's not a state that they need. humans are social for the most part. human contact, security, free trade, education might be considered to be needs, but they don't need to be provided by a "state" - i.e., institution of violence.

do you have an example of something that the state provides, that is a genuine human need, that can't be provided without the state?

because, the only thing the state provides that i'm aware of, is violence, coercion, and theft of wealth through taxation and inflation and market manipulation.

 

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:13 | 5440904 Lea
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THX 1178

Seriously, how old are you, twelve?

"I see anarchism as a counterbalance to statism. Not as an end but as a means to prevent tyrrany (sic), democide."

Anarchism is more or less what they had in Las Vegas, you know, lawlessness and the Mafia mob rule. Why do you think it can be any different? No law => might is right => law of the jungle => tyranny, the worst thugs in power and terrorized people. Of course...

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:51 | 5441040 THX 1178
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Well, actually, no, mobs, gangs and mafias emerge around black markets. Black markets are created by governments. If the private sector is allowed to compete for market share of drugs hookers and gambling (and everything else now illegal) supply would increase and price would fall dramatically, and then the criminals would go out of business. Indeed the only reason the Italian Mafias emerged in the 1920 was due to prohibition. Prohibition created a supply dearth of alcohol and the price skyrocketed. The criminals saw an opportunity make millions (and they did). Mafias and gangsters are created by black markets. The are created by black markets.

 

This example you gave me was no different. Mafia mob rule in vegas was created by govenment. Nuff said.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:55 | 5441066 The9thDoctor
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Seriously, how old are you, twelve?

12 year olds don't discuss anarchism as a political school of thought.  Most 12 year olds discuss skateboards and call of duty.  A lousy insult... stick to the argument and not ad hominems especially if you can't do them right.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:03 | 5441077 Lea
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"If the private sector is allowed to compete for market share of drugs hookers and gambling (and everything else now illegal) supply would increase and price would fall dramatically, and then the criminals would go out of business."

No, they wouldn't. The criminals (who would no longer be criminals under lawless circumstances) would fight tooth and nail each for their own share, you bet they would. And with guns and ammo, and you wouldn't want to cross them if you liked your kneecaps. And when your wife or daughter would be raped because, you see, there's no police or law enforcement (even though I suspect you have no wife), you could do nothing but join the opposite gang to set matters straight. With bullets.

Once again, how old are you?

Question: Have you ever wondered why no human group, ever, has been able to do without some sort of government or social order? (hint: because it's impossible/guaranteed hell on earth.)

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:16 | 5441166 The9thDoctor
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Question: Have you ever wondered why no human group, ever, has been able to do without some sort of government or social order? (hint: because it's impossible/guaranteed hell on earth.)

I agree with your premise too.

Humanity just barely got out of monarchism only a little over 2 centuries ago. Nowadays its dealing with how much state or corporate intervention they want in their lives as a give and take.

I don't advocate anarchy tomorrow morning, because it would degenerate rapidly into the doom scenario you described, but Anarchism and its schools of thought, particularly on self-ownership, should be a goal (more like journey toward) in upcoming centuries.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:55 | 5441332 stacking12321
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if you don't advocate anarchy, then you advocate violence, and peoples' rights being trampled.

it's like a husband who says, i plan to stop beating my wife someday, but not yet, she's not ready for me to stop yet, it would be confusing and frightening to her.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:58 | 5441341 THX 1178
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How old am I? Not relevant.

How much do you rely on the government for your paycheck?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:03 | 5440628 lasvegaspersona
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The GOP is a problem with a lot of non-conservative (what's in it for me) types. The GOP does have the only liberty candidates however. The Dems have killed all of theirs off in service to socialism.

Now we see Rand Paul trying to decide how much he has to compromise.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:05 | 5440637 duo
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yes, but the GOP has John McCain.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:44 | 5440793 Teamtc321
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Your point? the Liberal Technocrats have Zero, Reid and Piglousey (sp) I.E. Have to pass it, before we can read it. You could also make the argument that the recent kick in the nuts comment from the Zero Care architect was solely pointed to the Democratic voter since not one Republican voted for the Piece of shit bill.

Although, the Lib Tards still have the best chant in the nut house IMO.

Hope, Hope and Change!!!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:35 | 5440779 Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is also dissappoint! In USSA, is only one party, two name. Is like Coke and Pepsi. Same sugar water in different coloring bottle.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:57 | 5440605 Pairadimes
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I wish they'd hurry up and start breaking important things. I'm getting tired of waiting for the end of this charade.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:50 | 5440570 El Oregonian
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LIES... They're lips are flapping arn't they?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:55 | 5440590 mr1963
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I think pubs hear that because Obama says that, no?

We have 26 months left of this clown, you haven't seen anything yet. He'll destroy everything in his path before he leaves.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:54 | 5440571 JustObserving
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They have been doing it for decades. That is why the top 0.1% have more wealth than the bottom 90%

“There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat.”

Gore Vidal

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:55 | 5440588 TideFighter
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Funny, I hear whoopie cushions.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:58 | 5440603 stant
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I see the alien leader in the movie mars attacks " don't run we are your friends" zap

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:06 | 5440636 booboo
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Yep, "Bi-Partisanship" is code for corn holeing the tax slaves.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:13 | 5440922 Wahooo
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That and "Public-Private Partnership".  You know you're fucked when all sides surround you.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:03 | 5440891 WOD
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All your Pols are belong to us,

 

Gentlemen, make your time...

 

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:13 | 5440920 Dame Ednas Possum
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"...screw Americans"

And what about the other 95% of the human race?

And we don't even get to vote for the fuckers!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:49 | 5440561 NoDebt
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Funny, when I listen to Obama, I don't hear anything at all.  I don't waste my time listening to liars.  No point in it.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:59 | 5440613 Buzz Fuzzel
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Yes, thank the technological advancements of the late 20th century for remote control and the mute button.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:38 | 5440790 michael777
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That's why I didn't listen to Bush. Obama ain't the first Liar in Chief, you know...

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:51 | 5440564 Aeternus
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Brainwashing works kids! Say hello to your friendly neighboorhood Apache DRONE!

Remote Controlled Apache Gunship Visits Gun Range - Salt Lake City, UTAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgz6V0e-Vq0

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:05 | 5440634 p00k1e
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Republicans are gonna stop the militarization of America’s police and stuff.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:09 | 5440645 booboo
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and more burrito toppings and shit

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:21 | 5440706 edifice
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Ow! My balls!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:50 | 5440567 FeralSerf
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"Let's give more money to Goldman and Warren and take it away from the Koch Bros."

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:55 | 5440583 buzzsaw99
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they agree on plenty and it is all bad for the 99%

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 12:58 | 5440607 Jonathan Equine...
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You know - how about blaming the American people, the voter, for tolerating an absurd 2 party system which merely seesaws back and forth in power, doing the bidding of Wall Street, the MIC, an the various lobbies?

 

I don't hate the Demo or GOP pols, they're just wankers...

we've been voting for wankers.

 

p.s.  Don't blame me, I voted for RP..

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:08 | 5440641 p00k1e
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You bring up an excellent point.

When the lights go out, it’s the WASP who is the problem.

WASPs are the true enemy. 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:19 | 5440692 Jonathan Equine...
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The state an those who benefit from it are the enemy these days.

http://www.punkrocklibertarians.com/hero-cops-assault-arrest-two-marines...

 

Down with the Empire, Long Live the Republic.

 

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:56 | 5440846 TeamDepends
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Now why did you have to go and drag the Saxons into this?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 18:03 | 5441806 Dinero D. Profit
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This is for p00k1e.

 

Do not read this if you are a weak person or a WASP.

 

To say the least I have little sympathy with parochial spirituality and scholastic beliefs, yet I had the occasion to attend the Church of Good Christian People in downtown Tuscaloosa.  There was a sermon, and, although my concern here is not to pass upon the merits of the sermon, I can say the least.  Benediction terminated the service, and everybody fled for the doors. 

The incidence of spirituality occurred in the church parlor, and, kidding aside, I do respect reverences that are more than skin deep.  

In the church parlor there was nothing out of the ordinary. When friends bumped into each other, they exchanged a slight hug, while their reciprocating perfumes engaged in a minor wrestle.  Mismatched people smelled collars and armpits.  Others who put on pious expressions and were altogether very superior, if not stuffy, shook hands heartily.  All of it was tinged with an undertone of phony haste and a vehement striving to be charming.  I privilege myself to believe that if the minister told them that it was a sin saying “goodness this and goodness that,” and then told them it was another sin saying, “Isn’t that charming,” they wouldn’t speak at all. 

 

A moist pungent odor of contradictory perfumes saluted my nose, and I began overdosing not only on the good and the virtuous, but on the concentrated scent of lilacs, and other thick, gooey perfumes, insinuating sachets, musks of all sorts, and powders as dry as a Yemeni jock strap in June. 

The congregation was Lilly-white except for one Punished woman.  She was a sturdy, handsome Punished woman, and her walk was slow and easy, but with a slight roll, and she put me in mind of Wilma Rudolph, r.i.p.  She neither gave nor received slight hugs, few people said hello, yet her large face was neither clouded nor ravaged, but finely serene, and her carriage was superb.  She had presence. 

Most women of the congregation made no sign of greeting but looked at her repellingly and some gave her scant hellos, yet the Punished woman, although not startlingly good looking was far above them all in walk, in air, in visage, and in person. 

In a field of adults on the far side of the church parlor there was a child waiting for her mother. The Punished woman, who was near to me, had a sense that the child was troubled. She called “Stephanie” with just enough volume to reach the child’s ear. The child’s face brightened and the Punished woman, as graceful as graceful, curtsied into a crouch and opened her hands before her face. Stephanie skipped across the church parlor, flung opened her arms, and caught the Punished woman to her.

And there, on the brink of a tear in my eye, I felt some spirituality, if you call spirituality an impression with a latent truth that motivates.

 

 

 

D. D, Profit

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:09 | 5440650 Tenshin Headache
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How about blaming the banks, who buy politicians, who in turn buy voters, who secure the politicians, who secure the banks.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:24 | 5440725 besnook
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the banks and multinationals are impotent if congress and .gov in general is not buyable. because they are buyable they are bought. how does it stop? it doesn't. that is why china executes the corruptible as a matter of principle because it obviously doesn't stop corruption.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:25 | 5441211 Elliott Eldrich
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All one has to do is to look closely at how Ron Paul was systematically marginalized by the mainstream media during the 2012 campaign. Even Jon Stewart pointed it out on the "Daily Show." It is so obvious, so in-your-face, that you have to be willfully blind to not see it. 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:02 | 5440610 SillySalesmanQu...
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The Cone of Silence.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:04 | 5440627 NOZZLE
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I hear a moron, I heard him speaking from China blathering about GoreBull Fucking Warming, it was 26F this morning in Chicago, upper Wisconsin had two fucking feet of snow, ti snowed south of here, West of here and East of here in places you would never imagine it snowing this early. We just came off of one of the latest springs and coldest summers I can remember and this assclown is talking about a lie in scope of destructivity equal to his obamacare bullshit.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:48 | 5440850 michael777
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It would be helpful if you would at least attempt to understand the carbon cycle and why climate change is happening, why it's real, why it's manmade, and that it has absolutely nothing to do with your local weather on any given day. You can begin your education here (http://www.skepticalscience.com/), if you wish. If you hope to discover a lie, then shouldn't you seek the truth?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:59 | 5440881 Polymarkos
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It would be helpful if you would at least attempt to quit parroting bullshit propaganda from bullshit sources with bullshit smug moral righteousness.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:56 | 5441062 therearetoomany...
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You KNOW you bought the pet rock of the last 15 years...right?  

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 17:03 | 5441598 massbytes
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Don't sweat it Michael. Zerohedge has a very dedicated cast of characters who ignore most real climate science and write it off to a conspiracy or some other equally implausible reason.  When they freeze or boil off this planet they will still deny.  True flat earthers.  Somewhat amusing to watch as they think weather in the US somehow equates to condemning all the other evidence.  Who don't get the effects of CO2, or as you mention, the carbon-cycle.  They are clueless one and all and seem to enjoy being that way.  Just look at the downvotes!  As I said true flat earthers.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 17:39 | 5441728 forwardho
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" real climate science "

Ha! Ha! Ha!

The very definition of an Oxymoron.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 18:35 | 5441928 NOZZLE
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In 1988, you GoreBullWarmists predicted in 20 years, worldwide crop failures, dried up lakes, rising oceans, hotter summers, snowless winters. None of it ever came true.  So given no evidence of what you predicted (you had an overly hot dry summer, can we please have some it?) why would we think it is anything but a lie.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:52 | 5440863 Babaloo
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You (and your upvoters) simply can't be this fucking stupid, can you?

 

Where I live we had the hottest, driest year in memory.  Does that prove global warming? 

 

You guys need to just stfu and continue voting for the reds...

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:08 | 5440905 jay28elle
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...."Where I live we had the hottest, driest year in memory.  Does that prove global warming? "

 

Nope'r, unless you're an ObamaBud Scientist, or other koolaid drinking leftist with nothing better to do (like think for yourself) than to believe that 'consensus of opinions' is scientific fact.

 

This fall we had the 'wettest season in memory' and no one is running around yelling "global wetting". Or at least not yet.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:33 | 5441500 alfman
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you confuse weather with climate

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:03 | 5440893 Kprime
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remember, global warming intensifies cold.  The hotter it gets the colder it gets. 

"Hot Ice", that way we get the best of both worlds.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:11 | 5440653 McCormick No. 9
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A professional arsonist studies how to make the intentional look accidental. When you need to make money from destruction, who you gonna call?

Wall Street needs a fire, and Washington knows how to set it.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:14 | 5440669 nakki
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Come on Tyler's enough of this Dem's, Repub's bullshit. You all, we all know better. Well at least "WE" should. 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:15 | 5440678 zaphod42
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Just because the Dems are just as bad, lie just as much, and are controlled by the same 0.1%-ers doesn't mean that what is said about the Repubs is not true.  It is.  It just doesn't matter one damned bit.

Craig

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:16 | 5440682 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Zero's.

It's toon time Bitchez!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:18 | 5440687 Son of Loki
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Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/12/another-tape-surfaces-obamaca...

 

I'm not saying I disagree with this man; I just don't like the way he said it.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:01 | 5440885 Teamtc321
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I don't understand why the Lib's are not just up in arms over this sack of shit comments. I take it he was directly speaking of Democratic voter's since not one Republican voted for the bill, not do I believe had a chance to read the bill prior to passage.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:17 | 5440937 Joebloinvestor
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Wait till the one surfaces where he refers to the supreme court as a bunch of fucking idiots who can be BS'ed into believing anything.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:04 | 5441107 Farqued Up
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More like they're idiot fucking lawyer politicians that have been NSA'd into voting as they're told.

6 republicans, 3 dems, dems are all Jews, the republicans are all Roman Catholic. What a fucked up mix! The Founders were mostly Deists. Not to worry, it won't prosper much longer and will do a belly flop.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:19 | 5440695 WOD
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Criticizing 'Dear Leader' is unlawful, appear at your local retraining camp, or we will send a participation team to 'assist' you!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:28 | 5440743 kchrisc
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Considering that Obama is a CIA manchurian president of the neo-cons, the cartoon is hilarious, but in ways unattended by the artist.

An American, not US subject.

 

"Now if we can just keep them believing that he's anti-Israel, Muslim and socialist for two more years."

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:30 | 5440756 Straw Dog
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For years Harry Reid, as leader of the Senate majority, has killed bills that were passed by the house, many with bipartisan support. He refused to bring them to the floor for a vote, a flagrant denial of the democratic process of government. He acted as a gatekeeper preventing bills, passed by both houses, landing on Obama's desk, that he would have chosen to veto.
Now that Reid will lose his positiion as leader and the Democrats will be in the minority, he wants "everbody to work together". Dream on Harry Reid, glad to see you gone.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:42 | 5441017 Farmer Joe in B...
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...and it worked brilliantly!!

Look at how the spin doctors in the white house turned it all on its head and muddied the waters so much that they looked like victims.

I'm so fucking sick of politics in this shithole of a country.  Bring on the collapse already.  Maybe THEN we can finally get real political reform and maybe start to rebuild....

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:55 | 5441065 Itgoestoeleven
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But I don't want a colapse! I eat every day, I have good clothes, I have a roof over my head  and  bed to sleep in. I also know a shitstorm is about to occur. But I don't want it to happen. God! I don't want it to happen.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:42 | 5441273 Farmer Joe in B...
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The only thing keeping me from clinical depression is that I have enough personal assets/resources to hedge the future implosion.  If not, I'd have a really hard time sleeping at night...

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:08 | 5441386 Armed Resistance
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Tough shit!  Man up and lead.  The things you speak of, we all have.  None of us wants to be without food, shelter and comfort.  But I'm willing to live through the transition because it means living honestly, living truthfully.  These rigged markets and bullshit political solutions are just as wearing on anybody looking to have free markets and real access to the work-reward paradigm without big government taking a chunk at every step or determining the market/rate/process.

I want freedom for myself and my fellow man.  I want to follow the constitution that so many have sworn to and died for!  If that means sacrificing for the end result count me in.  Stack the silver, hoard some food and rack the slide!  But it's time to get after it.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:43 | 5441547 Monty Burns
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The collapse should act as a cleansing hellfire.  After that the productive people will be better off, the parasites swept to perdition. Same thing happened at the break-up of Jugoslavia and even with hyperinflation and a vicious war countries like Slovenia and Croatia got themselves back on an even footing very quickly.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 17:42 | 5441731 stacking12321
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Itgoestoeleven

i was thinking about this very thing yesterday when i listened to:

Richard Duncan: QE4? “They’ll have to.” | McAlvany Commentary 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3yZ036QOUE

mcalvany's guest, richard duncan, while a staunch believer in austrian economics, has views that put him at odds with his pro-austrian economics friends. richard feels that if a collapse were to happen, it would wipe us out as a society and a civilization. he thinks that based on the predicament we find ourselves in, the best option at this point is to continue down the path of qe, and start investing in technology and energy, and try to grow our way out. otherwise, he says, there will be a depression that will last for decades, with lots of suffering and death.

his views don't sit well with me, but i find myself wondering if he might be right.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:45 | 5440829 the grateful un...
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that exactly what the Pelosi led Congress did with George W Bush.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:52 | 5440860 observiate
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a sad predicament, indeed. the party founded on the premise of the abolition of slavery, so brow beaten into politically correct bullshit that they cannot even defend themselves using unequivocally undebiable facts in their favor.  a sad predicament indeed. and yet, we or those of the libertarian faction within the GOP or completely separate from the GOP... we must not give up.  never give up. never give up. vehemently hold to the truth and continue to stive to persuavively persuade our liberty loving friends whose psyche's have unfortunately been sullied by the PC bullshit. i urge you, zh'ers. do not give up.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:47 | 5441289 bpj
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the best $15,000 you'll ever spend   http://tracking-point.com/precision-guided-firearms

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:53 | 5440861 observiate
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a sad predicament, indeed. the party founded on the premise of the abolition of slavery, so brow beaten into politically correct bullshit that they cannot even defend themselves using unequivocally undeniable facts in their favor.  a sad predicament indeed.

and yet, we, or those of the libertarian faction, within the GOP or completely separate from the GOP,... we must not give up.  never give up. never give up. vehemently hold to the truth and continue to strive to persuavively persuade our other liberty loving friends whose psyche's have unfortunately been sullied by the cancerous PC bullshit. i urge you, zh'ers. do not give up.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 14:32 | 5440984 bugs_
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It isn't so much what Obama(D) says to put someone else down....the real crisis is that no "journalist" will go after any of these lines from third rate speech writers.  It is all very low hanging fruit.  some "journalists" are squinting and glancing up at the low hanging fruit but at the end of the day they know they don't go up against "The Outfit".

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:39 | 5441528 Monty Burns
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The only real journalism today is found on blogs. The coroprate MSM are just paid shills and/or dumb as rocks.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 15:11 | 5441146 orangegeek
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spoken like a true donkey

 

hee haw barry, hee haw

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:24 | 5441453 Otto Zitte
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Everything he says is a lie. 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:27 | 5441468 EemieMeanieMinieMoe
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Endeavor to persevere.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 16:36 | 5441512 barroter
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When libertarians scream Holy Hell about coporate tyranny, then I might...might listen to what they have to say. Otherwise they are completely mute on the issue.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 17:29 | 5441692 stacking12321
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what is corporate tyranny?

does apple force you at gunpoint to go out and buy the latest iphone? no?

then how can it be compared to the state, where, if you don't "do your civic duty" (as defined by corrupt, bought and paid for politicians), then they will point guns at you and lock you in a metal box?

sure, there's shitty people in the corporate world just as in government, but do you understand the difference, and why these 2 things are not at all comparable?

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 18:50 | 5441989 dexter_morgan
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exactly, corporations can't force you to do anything at the point of a gun as the state can......UNLESS they be in bed with the state as is somewhat the case these days.

fuckers all of them

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 23:01 | 5442788 barroter
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I agree. When corps can lobby gov't for perks, regulations and laws that favor them...where's this "freedom" i hear bandied about all the time?  And AGAIN, I NEVER hear libertarians complain about this whatsoever.  When I see them attacking corps....and NOT just gov't...I might peruse their opinions.  And what do we see today? Major telecomm begging, cajoling and manipulating the FCC to turn ur dialup speed lane to 5mph for double the cost.  Wonder who that benefits?

Thu, 11/13/2014 - 04:33 | 5443238 stacking12321
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and why would they "attack corps"?

you still seem to be missing the point.

a coropration doesn't have the power to force laws on you.

only the government does that, and that's why only the government is the target of libertarians.

 

Thu, 11/13/2014 - 15:57 | 5445519 FeralSerf
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HOW AL GORE BECAME A BILLIONAIRE

http://www.blacklistednews.com/HOW_AL_GORE_BECAME_A_BILLIONAIRE/39156/0/...

Maybe Al will change parties now, eh?

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