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Neo-Feudalism Has Officially Arrived – Congressman Suggests Building A Moat Around White House

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Once again, Zero Hedge was just a bit ahead of its time. From September 22:

And now, fast forward to today, and this submission by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

What has been occurring over the past several years is not a recovery, rather, it’s a painful transition of the U.S. into a neo-feudal society. Earlier this week in the post, Welcome to the Recovery – U.S. Child Homelessness Hits Record as Poverty in Mass. is Highest Since 1960, I wrote:

While the general population is aware something is seriously wrong, people remain extremely confused about the root of the problem. This is because what’s happening all around us isn’t socialism and it isn’t free market capitalism. It is actually a return to something much more ancient and much more oppressive. It is a return to serfdom, neo-feudalism and oligarchy.

Well now we have definitive proof. It can’t get any more in your face than this.

From MarketWatch:

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch)—Faced with an increasing number of White House intrusions that led to the resignation of a Secret Service director, a congressman on Wednesday suggested that maybe a moat should be erected around the president’s home.

 

The suggestion was made by Rep. Steve Cohen, a Tennessee Democrat, at a House Judiciary Committee hearing.

 

With hand gestures, Cohen suggested a moat roughly six-feet wide may be “attractive” and “effective.”

 

Joseph Clancy, the acting director of the Secret Service, didn’t dismiss the suggestion out of hand.

 

“Sir, it may be,” he said. Clancy said the Secret Service and the National Park Service were discussing ways to ensure security along with access to the White House for the American people.

In case you aren’t familiar with Steve Cohen, I covered his fascist tendencies in the past. Recall the post: Rep. Steve Cohen Calls Tea Party Republicans “Domestic Enemies” on MSNBC.

Here’s the moat clip:

We wonder where he got that idea from?

Enjoy your serfdom!!

 

 

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Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:29 | 5469134 stant
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Great idea .after they finish the cage they are working on now

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:29 | 5469137 lakecity55
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Hey, not a bad idea. Build the moat, and put gators innit.

Then, push the politicians into it "accidentally!"

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:44 | 5471210 Seer
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Push?  Why should we spend OUR precious energy?  Just tell the politicians that the lobbyists (their handlers) are out in the moats.  Like lemmings over a cliff...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:31 | 5469138 Dr. Engali
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I have a better idea....., nuke the fucking place.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:33 | 5469150 NoDebt
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.... from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

(Oh, no, here we go again.)

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:41 | 5469177 TeamDepends
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Maybe we got 'em demoralised!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:44 | 5469181 mayhem_korner
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Nukem from orbit...

 

You just crossed the streams of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmSSVt7Mfkk

And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

Brace yourself for Mr. Sta-Puft.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:39 | 5469171 silverer
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A crater rather than a moat?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:08 | 5471051 TheReplacement
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Das ray's cyst.  Craters can hold water too ya know.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:30 | 5469140 basho
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great idea.

fill it with fracking waste water.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:31 | 5469141 Big Brother
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Nothing an AM-General with 4-foot snorkel couldn't handle.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:31 | 5469142 OW My Balls
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The only moat really needed would be around the putting green & basketball courts.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:32 | 5469144 medium giraffe
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Nah, would never work, America is surrounded by two oceans yet the buggers still keep getting out somehow.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:32 | 5469147 NoWayJose
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It is actually a return to something much more ancient and much more oppressive. It is a return to serfdom, neo-feudalism and oligarchy.

And the Emperor will make it official tonight!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:45 | 5469189 Jstanley011
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Let them eat Twinkies.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:31 | 5469441 Uncle Remus
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Fried or frozen?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:50 | 5471227 Jstanley011
Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:51 | 5469220 kill switch
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Same day the Ferguson riots begin,,,I don't believe in coincidences..

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:10 | 5469326 autofixer
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The Senate and Populam Romanum hail Octavius! 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:33 | 5469154 lakecity55
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The hut could easily be sealed off.

All these news stories lead me to think Chalky is being set up by Dr. Narcisse.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:35 | 5469157 SilverIsMoney
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Move to New Hampshire and participate in the FSP... when the time comes we will secede from this mess.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:56 | 5469237 kill switch
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Massachusetts has fucked that place up,, I lived there for ten years and observed the decline... Live free or die font was changed to two on car plates...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:37 | 5469166 Oldballplayer
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Just build a twelve foot wall around the WH. Then fill the whole thing with water.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:39 | 5469170 Dungholio
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Make it a 50 foot wall and I'll support that.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:41 | 5469167 Dr. Engali
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Our kids will never know a time when we didn't live in a fucking police state and you could freely walk around Washington without worrying about being hassled. I hope these fascists come to realize they are only making it worse....... For them.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:14 | 5469346 MachoMan
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I hope these fascists come to realize they are only making it worse....... For them.

Certainly not in the short term...  and the long term is debatable.  Eventually, power waxes and wanes, but many of these folks may be long since dead of natural causes after a completely enjoyable life at the expense of others...  before anything changes.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:01 | 5471273 Seer
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"many of these folks may be long since dead of natural causes after a completely enjoyable life at the expense of others."

And yet their seed continue it...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:39 | 5469168 Dungholio
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LOL....  Would the EPA have jurisdiction over the moat?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:42 | 5469175 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Steven Cohen huh?  Color me shocked a person with such a name shows such contempt for the Amerikwan citizenry.

 

If people holding dual citizenship were banned from serving elected office or political appointments a lot of the issues with this country would sort themselves out.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:48 | 5469198 Refuse-Resist
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Agree.  I predict that you may get a backlash of being called an 'anti-semite' for daring to suggest that it's not ok for a government employee to be loyal to Israel first.

Frieden, Cohen, Emmanuel ahh where does it end?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:50 | 5469217 Sandmann
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He is not actually a government "employee". He is technically part of the government.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:49 | 5469200 Sandmann
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so he's the first Jewish Congressman from TN. Shouldn't he be building settlements or something ?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:55 | 5469232 Ralph Spoilsport
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Marketing Kosher bacon would finance a lot of synagogues.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:31 | 5469430 Uncle Remus
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I love the smell of representative contradiction in the morning.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:11 | 5471064 TheReplacement
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How about just banning dual citizenship altogether.  You are either in or you are out.  Pick one.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:02 | 5471278 Seer
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I'm thinking that banning flag-waving would be the best place to start...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:43 | 5469179 therover
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Great idea....as long as We the People can build seige towers, catapults and have large vats of boiling oil and tar at our disposal.

Going Medieval on the bitchez is fine with me. Fuck it...build a moat around the Capital building as well. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:49 | 5469202 Confundido
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Interestingly, Machiavelli, in his book "The Prince" devotes a chapter to this issue: Chapter XX" ARE FORTRESSES, AND MANY OTHER THINGS TO WHICH PRINCES OFTEN RESORT, ADVANTAGEOUS OR HURTFUL?"

"... the prince who has more to fear from the people than from foreigners ought to build fortresses, but he who has more to fear from foreigners than from the people ought to leave them alone. The castle of Milan, built by Francesco Sforza, has made, and will make, more trouble for the house of Sforza than any other disorder in the state. For this reason the best possible fortress is—not to be hated by the people, because, although you may hold the fortresses, yet they will not save you if the people hate you, for there will never be wanting foreigners to assist a people who have taken arms against you. It has not been seen in our times that such fortresses have been of use to any prince, unless to the Countess of Forli,(*) when the Count Girolamo, her consort, was killed; for by that means she was able to withstand the popular attack and wait for assistance from Milan, and thus recover her state; and the posture of affairs was such at that time that the foreigners could not assist the people. But fortresses were of little value to her afterwards when Cesare Borgia attacked her, and when the people, her enemy, were allied with foreigners. Therefore, it would have been safer for her, both then and before, not to have been hated by the people than to have had the fortresses. All these things considered then, I shall praise him who builds fortresses as well as him who does not, and I shall blame whoever, trusting in them, cares little about being hated by the people...."

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 12:05 | 5469869 Buzz Fuzzel
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And Alinsky in "Rules for Radicals" chapter three argues the end justifies the means.  This book is considered the founding document of the "Community Organizer" movement.  If you want to understand the methods and goals of the revolutionaries inside the White House read this book.  Most of us counter revolutionaries are clueless and because of that helpless to stop the march of the new feudalisim.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:06 | 5471281 Seer
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Need to send a copy of this to that Rep from TN.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:49 | 5469204 Refuse-Resist
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If they put in a moat, can we build catapults and start throwing in dead cows and pigs?

 

Maybe some Chinese river pigs? I bet we can get a deal on those.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:08 | 5469612 madcows
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Feche lez vache!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:49 | 5469206 SheepDog-One
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How about digging tiger pits lined with excrement dipped sharpened sticks around the so-called White House, and for good measure why not ring D.C. with concertina razor wire? Never can be too cautious against the serfs out there ya know.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:07 | 5471289 Seer
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Then ring the doorbell and shout: "campaign donors here!"

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:49 | 5469214 Catullus
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk47saogI8o

Your majesty, the people are revolting!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:08 | 5469609 madcows
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"The Inquisition, what a show!"

Hell, we've got a modern day inquisition.  Water board them.  Spy on their phone calls, the texts, the facebook page.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 12:30 | 5469948 Monty Burns
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People, His Majesty is revolting.  Very.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:53 | 5469228 taketheredpill
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Never gonna happen.

 

Democrats will want to import piranhas.  Republicans will want domestic gatots from Lousiana.  Gridlock. Moatlock. whatever.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:13 | 5469340 RafterManFMJ
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Doesn't really matter; by the time the ditch balloons to 500% of its original cost and then in 25 years gets past EPA permitting, we will be well on to the next form of enslaving the masses.

Perhaps the next White House could be built on an Island, or a high, remote mountain.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:58 | 5469242 SpanishGoop
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A moat around the white house to keep Obama in is not a bad idea.

Just cut his telecommunication lines also.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:59 | 5469250 Fix It Again Timmy
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Paint a Bullseye on the Whitehouse

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:08 | 5469297 limacon
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They'll sit inside and starve .

Stateshave lost their tax base along with the respect of the populace .

You are about 3 times richer than you think .

 

See

 

https://www.academia.edu/9405720/The_Economics_of_Disrespect_Update_I

 

or

 

http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-economics-of-disrespect-update...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:08 | 5469298 Atomizer
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How will the new illegals gain access to the white bath house?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:10 | 5469299 Son of Captain Nemo
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And away we go!!!!  Hey America congratulations!!!!  You made it!!! You've graduated to Baghdad status!!!!!!!!

My repeated vision of that jersey wall dividing Pennsylvania and Constitution Avenue that will keep the "good people" in and the "bad people out" just came true!!!

It appears that each and every House and Senate office that use to have "Welcome Please Come In!" sign on the front door has an expiration date that was only good up until 2014!

Wish the Framers could have put that one in writing!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:10 | 5469321 gwar5
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"This is because what’s happening all around us isn’t socialism and it isn’t free market capitalism. It is actually a return to something much more ancient and much more oppressive. It is a return to serfdom, neo-fedualism and oligarchy."

 

I always thought of Socialism and crony capitalism as monarchy by committee anyway. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:43 | 5469378 MachoMan
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There is no practical difference between any political system.  They're all bound, and subject to, the underlying economic system.  The political system can only operate with the fruit of the economic system, despite all of its efforts to exist otherwise.

The strangest part is...  there isn't much practical difference between the economic systems either...  at least not over any reasonable period of time, nor for the vast majority of people.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:15 | 5471314 Seer
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+1,000

Somewhere along the line I missed you becoming enlightened.  Welcome! (even if the recognition is just my failure to note it prior to now)

Again, I will continue to hammer this down people's throats until the get it:

http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/092814.html

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 00:03 | 5472546 Raging Debate
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Machoman - I disagree. There is a big difference between Republics and Monarchy. The concept of a Republic is justice, no one above the law. The country was corrupted by lawmakers that were bribed to allow private banking (and foreign based at that) to control issue of the nations currency. Once that is in place, being above the law and devolving back to Monarchy was inevitable.

Why did you think that the founders railed against private banking or Andrew Jackson or Lincoln or Kennedy?

A new Republic would have better brakes to the system, perhaps five branches. Frankly 535 representatives for 300 million people is far too easy to buy off. Try 10,000 next time. It will always become corrupt but maybe such brakes would give a Republic a few generations of freedom instead of merely a couple.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:11 | 5469328 Tenshin Headache
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What's the big deal? Obama has decided that he is King, and every King needs a moat.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:16 | 5469365 Ms No
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Maybe they should just throw metal stakes in the ground with chained Komodo Dragons like they do in Thailand for their King.  I heard their saliva is deadly and they hate silverbacks.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:22 | 5469382 sam i am
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Have you noticed renovation and restoration projects going on around your local government buildings and city halls? The renovation projects that require large areas being closed for pedestrians and traffic, with metal fences that look like crowd control barricades. The renovation projects that require no presence of workers what forever, which explains the absence of foot traffic around those Porta Potties peculiarly perched in the corners. They look remarkably like medieval  watchtowers, or sniper hideouts.   Lust look at the "multi-year" U.S. Capitol Dome Restoration Project works, that just started.

With the dearth of a middle class, the modern elite increasingly facing the angered unwashed hordes. Hence, the medieval architectural structures going up everywhere around the "free world."

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:22 | 5469698 drdolittle
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Interesting take. I just thought they were pissing away money to support their campaign contributors.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:17 | 5471098 TheReplacement
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One stone, two birds.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:26 | 5469408 Uncle Remus
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Moats and guillotines - respect the classics.

A good tar and feathering is in order I'd say.

"Off wiff e's 'ead!"

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:28 | 5469412 Racer
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Many years ago you could walk up Downing street and take a photo of number 10! Not any longer

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:38 | 5470242 Sandmann
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Thatcher changed that......I have my photo outside No10

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:40 | 5469475 De minimus
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"This is because what’s happening all around us isn’t socialism and it isn’t free market capitalism."

Right and also wrong. Not capitalism and not socialist, more Marxist actually, of the Stalin variety.

They are always the beneficiaries, always the people who have the little levers and ropes in their hands. Always the people who can tell the best fabricated stories, always without allowing anyone to tell their's, which of course aren't fabricated and contain facts which the "left" finds inconvenient.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:23 | 5469804 Graph
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In 1%-ers interest is that all 99%-ers think that Marx, Castro, Chavez (Hitler is used if there is need to invade a foreign Country) are responsible for ALL  the ills that are around us today, here in USA.

Thre is no shortage of hot heads (or trolls) to promote that idea day in and day out to the receptive audience.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:18 | 5471324 Seer
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Perhaps it's much deeper than mere superficial, ideologically tainted words?

http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/092814.html

But, charged words allow one to program others to do the dirty work.  Don't confuse the face in the mirror...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:42 | 5469496 Spungo
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Fill the moat with nile crocodiles

/half serious

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:43 | 5469498 Mi Naem
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A moat sounds fun! 

We could give the kiddies boat rides, let them feed the crocodiles....

Then, there's ice skating season. 

Also, we could build a snow track around the Capitol, and do fundraising activities like tie your local congresscritter trailing behind a snowmobile and have races with them around the Capitol track to the tune of "Rocky Top". 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:47 | 5469513 22winmag
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One man's moat is another man's cesspool.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 10:51 | 5469539 Peter Pan
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A moat is a good idea as long as there is no drawbridge and the water is filled with pirhanas.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:37 | 5470934 o.t.p.s
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and and, dont forget about a roof too

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:42 | 5470949 medium giraffe
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I see what you're getting at, but you've got to have a drawbridge.  No moat could be complete without a drawbridge.  Oh - maybe a portcullis too, some battlements (with arrow slits), some sort of keep.  And a throne room.  Come to think of it, probably should get a crown.  Also a litter....  ooh, with human steps, like in 300.  Do away with all this pretense of democratic freedom and stuff, it's exhausting and pointless - you're either in charge, or you ain't, gnomesayin'?  

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 22:26 | 5472191 bid the soldier...
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No feudalism until kneeling on one knee when greeting the Liege Lord and walking backwards when leaving his presence.

Until the then, moats are just the last stages of tired capitalism. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:02 | 5469587 muleskinner
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It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi mud

Jump down, turn around, pick a bale of cotton

Jump down, turn around, pick a bale of hay

The White House should have a token cotton field planted in the Rose Garden.

A mule grazing on the lawn.  Moat Schmoat

Carry me back to old Virginny

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:20 | 5471339 Seer
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Up-arrow for salt-of-the-earth shit!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:09 | 5469617 Budd aka Sidewinder
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Is anbody else thinking a moat around Barry might make for some exceptional WB7 photoshop goodness?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:14 | 5469649 Hamm Jamm
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YES YES.....  and fill it with SULPHUR !   so the Satanists on the hill can feel at home

 

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:18 | 5469650 madcows
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where's the politician that said Guam would flip over if all the inhabitants moved to one side?

here it is.  politicians, the best america has to offer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:18 | 5469663 drdolittle
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Doesn't matter if a state votes for seccession. Last time that happened the gov assumed powers not granted to it within the constitution and started a ruinous war of aggression. It wasn't because of slavery.

Also, I think most rifle rounds will go across a moat. What kind of pussy president is afraid to show his face to the public?

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 12:34 | 5469975 Leraconteur
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Last time that happened southern states convened in DC in Feb 1861 and used that as cover to seize the federal property within their states when they did not get their way at the negotiating table.

In order to get their property, money, and taxes back, Northern States sent ships and were fired upon.

If your LLP partner won't sell you something, the solution is not to pull a gun on them and take it by force.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:16 | 5470842 Comte d'herblay
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So the "solution" was for Lincoln and Davis to kill, maim, ruin the famlies of 1.2 million men???

Brilliant.  

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 23:06 | 5472334 Leraconteur
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I refuse to sell you my car.

You pull a gun and steal it.

I get my gang to go get my car back.

You get your gang to prevent it.

We shoot at each other.

You blame me for the deaths in your gang.

Brilliant.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 23:15 | 5472359 Leraconteur
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Ok. Let's allow Lincoln to let it slide. Does not want to risk war.

Now there is a CSA in North America.

Small problem.

Some citizens of the USA cannot travel to the CSA and have no rights there as they are Black.

So I posit this to you:

What would YOU do if an adjacent nation were kidnapping your citizens, or once they traveled freely as free men to your nation, immediately place them into bondage and sell them as property?

This is what would have happened if the CSA were allowed to form.

War would have been inevitable as Northerners with morals would have been outraged and sought war to prevent Southerners from enslaving freeman Northerners who just happened to be Black and traveled to the CSA.

If you enslave and sell my fellow citizen, yes indeed I am going to war with you.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:17 | 5470843 Comte d'herblay
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So the "solution" was for Lincoln and Davis to kill, maim, ruin the famlies of 1.2 million men???

Brilliant.  

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:31 | 5470908 Volkodav
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Ignorant post.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 20:59 | 5471813 wendigo
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Jefferson Davis sent an envoy to Washington to negotiate the sale of federal property within the CSA. Lincoln refused to meet with them. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 23:03 | 5472316 Leraconteur
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Lincoln was receiving death threats from secessionists and had to hide in the same hotel!

If you want to sell me something, and I don't want to meet to negotiate with you, it is unethical, immoral, and illegal to pull out a gun and take it from me by force.

If your partner refuses to sell to you, you don't kill him.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 23:37 | 5472451 Leraconteur
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Of course Lincoln refused to meet with them.

1) They were threatening force to get what they wanted

2) They were threatening to kill Lincoln if he did not do as they wished and agree with them

3) It was likely that if Lincoln appeared someone would pull a gun on him

Unless you claim that all the death threats against Lincoln did not happen and are a fiction created to justify the war, there is not one reason why he should have met with the people who were sending him death threats.

Then, in the end. The South took what it wanted, confirming the pattern of threaten viollence and then use force if one does not get their way.

That is a morally, ethically, and legally unsupportable position. You don't take by force something from someone if they won't sell it to you.

That you cannot grasp this concept 150 years later, is a sign of intellectual immaturity and lack of reasoning ability.

Wars begin because large groups disagree, and then someone takes something by force. QED.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:20 | 5469686 venturen
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I assume this is to protect the head criminal from the illegals he is rewarding? 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:35 | 5469753 Bogdog
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Congresscritter Cohen is a pandering wingbat. A creature of the lowest order.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 12:14 | 5469901 Monty Burns
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That's anti-Semitic.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 11:52 | 5469828 str8face
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Will the moat be filled with sharks or alligators? Both?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:14 | 5470824 perelmanfan
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Will someone remind me why I pay you people?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 12:11 | 5469890 falak pema
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Neo feudalism is not just an American or European problem. It is a world problem.

Here is an insight how the Asian version of Neo-feudalism-- ultranationalist and populist-- is being cloned in the neo-populist spheres of Euro-Asian governance.

Guess who is the NEW role model for this global alignment against the status quo ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putinism

The race to bottom is now hotting up in this sick and Machiavellian world, where inverted totalitarianism is dressed up in mock democracy run by the crony Corpocracy of Private Enterprise and State bureaucracy. 

A SILOVIKI world of NSA/MIC types and politicians  working hand in glove with the judiciary having a jack-boot held over their necks (when they are not totally bought, stamped and sold out). 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:28 | 5470878 medium giraffe
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Shhhh falak, don't say it too loud or the public might actually start noticing!!!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 12:31 | 5469952 Who was that ma...
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I would favor a moat around the White house as a means of keeping OBAMA and his gang of theives IN.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 12:32 | 5469954 PGR88
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My great uncle worked in Washington DC in the early 1930's.   At the time, he said there was no fence around the White House, and you could actually approach the door (you would be stopped and questioned by Secret Service though)

It was also not uncommon to see the Vice President out to lunch at local restaurants or pubs with his staff.

The growth of progressive, corporatist big, central government has destroyed all trust the people have in government, and vice versa

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:27 | 5470888 Volkodav
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Fish rots from head

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 21:39 | 5470006 spqrusa
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You have been under Neofeudalism for over 100 years - try not paying your property taxes to your "Lord" and you know who is in charge. Try not paying your "Life Tax" / "Labor Tax" / "Income Tax" and you will see who your "Lord" is as they come-by for their "Fair Share" of your Labor which is Zero IMHO. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:08 | 5470103 roadhazard
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Cohen is raceiss'. He heard blacks can't swim.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:43 | 5470951 dexter_morgan
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It's OK for tribe members to be ray cists or whatever else, they got the holocaust get out of jail free card workin

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:48 | 5470294 TheGreatRecovery
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Thomas Jefferson said that when we get as crowded as the people in Europe, then we will have as few rights as the people in Europe.  We've gotten pretty close.  (And Immigration Reform will, of course, bring us closer, faster.)  The main reason citizens could insist, as they did, on a Bill of Rights, is that they could simply opt to move west, out of the reach of the government.  They could opt to live with the Indians, which some of them also did at that time.  I think John Adams remarked that, in Massachusetts, often when a City issued regulations and taxes too oppressive, citizens would just leave and go live with the Indians, and so the City would have to relax the regulations and taxes, or lose money.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:27 | 5470881 Volkodav
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That gives logic for move to Russian Federation.

East of Urals.

Siberians are good people.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:51 | 5470538 reTARD
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Just do it! The White House only reinforces the illusion that they are not kings and rulers and "exceptional" people above their own laws. Making it the White Castle at least brings it back closer to reality and a little bit more obvious to the sheeple.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:41 | 5470947 dexter_morgan
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mmmmm, sliders.......good eatin

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:12 | 5470822 Jonathan Equine...
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He's on the right track, sort of.

 

We should dig a moat around the District of Columbia and declare it hostile territory.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:46 | 5471625 ReligiousAtheist1
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Amen to that 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 21:08 | 5471827 Emergency Ward
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combined with a fifteen-foot concertina-wire topped fence to keep them from getting out!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:31 | 5470906 Norm Alcybias
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Anyone know where I can get a Moatgage? 15 yr?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 21:07 | 5471823 Emergency Ward
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Goldmoat Sacks and JP Moatgan have zero-down floating interest rate loans...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:28 | 5471126 Kirk2NCC1701
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Glad to see that regular and ZH "Folks" are finally cluing in to the fact that they are not Citizens or even Folks, but Serfs.  Under the FAUDALISM 2.0 that's being rolled out.

Have been harping on this theme for a year and a half, w/o much traction.  Therefore, ZH is NOT "a bit ahead of its time" with its 11/22/2014 post and Feudal reference.  Kirk's references to his blog posts on FEUDALISM include...

 

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 14:33 | 3503337  Kirk2NCC1701

   ... GMOs.  Monoculture and food feudalism for all.  Thanks, Monsanto!

 

Sat, 08/31/2013 - 16:43 | 3909326  Kirk2NCC1701   

   ... The Neo-Feudal Globalists (an unholy alliance of Banksters, Big Energy, MIC, Old Feudal Masters and Zionists)...

Wed, 09/25/2013 - 17:33 | 3992974 new Kirk2NCC1701

The word you're looking for (but keep avoiding/missing) is NEO-ARISTOCRATIC

The paradigm you're looking for (but keep avoiding/missing) is NEO-FEUDALISM

 

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 12:48 | 3999155 new Kirk2NCC1701                 

We have the rule “Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%”.

Read up on... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timocracy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocracy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl 

Who would have thought that "good old" Teddy had an aristocratic streak in him?  Well, I suppose the root of that mindset/worldview goes back to king David.  And what's more 'stable' over time than a "Plutocracy by Birth", aka "Aristocracy".

Like I've been saying for many months... The Monarch, Aristocrats (old and new) are taking over the planet.   /Welcome to Indentured Planet, under Feudalism 2.0. /s

 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 10:44 | 4052583 Kirk2NCC1701             Vote up!          2                      Vote down!      -2  

   ... I recall that property ownership in Croatia was forbidden to foreigners.  Now that they're in the EU, all the prime real estate will be bought up with confetti wealth.  People of Croatia, meet your new Masters.  They're the same old feudal Masters:  Feudal Lords, the Church of Rome, and vampire-squid Bankers.

 

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 14:41 | 4109257 Kirk2NCC1701   Vote up!          2          Vote down!      0  

... BTW, the rational, fair-minded and decent people Israelis and Arabs have gotten along just fine (for centuries) before the colonial Brits and the serpentine Rothschild "Zionists" came along.  "Zionism" is a FLAG OF CONVENIENCE (for Anglo-American Central Banksters), and is used to rally a segment of the Jewish and 'Christian' population around it.  They are the crystallizing point of the Neo-Feudal system that is emerging after 100 years.  It is this slimy Neo-Feudal scum who propagate "Zionism", and who are the pinnacle of the Pyramid Capstone, don't give a shit about ANYONE who is not part of them.  Communism, Socialism and Fascism are useful tools, that dovetail their world-view of trans-generational ownership that is Feudalism:  "the 'divine' right of kings".   "Be not deceived.  By their fruits shall ye know them." - Jesus

 

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 15:39 | 4109467  Kirk2NCC1701           Vote up!        3          Vote down!  0  

7.  These Neo-Feudal Globalists/"Zionists" plan to use Central Banks as the super-weapon to take over the global leadership.  Through the power, influence and tools of the private & global cartel of Central Banksters, political leaders (and through them Gov't and Military leaders) are being positioned and prepared for the official unrolling of the NWO.  While its completion is nearing and still WIP, all the "Safety precautions" are being taken for this "Construction site".

 

[And a bunch more posts between Oct. 2013 and Oct. 2014]

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:45 | 5312808  Kirk2NCC1701

Goethe also said... Which is the best government?  That which teaches us to govern ourselves. ("Welche Regierung die beste sei?  Diejenige, die uns lehrt, uns selbst zu regieren.")

- The Maxims and Reflections of Goethe as translated by Bailey Saunders (1893) Maxim 225.

Yeah, well, good luck with that one in 'Merica, where the Government tells you how to live, how to die.  SERFDOM.  FEUDALISM 2.0.  It's what's on the Daily Menu, bitchez.

 

Sat, 11/01/2014 - 16:25 | 5402059  Kirk2NCC1701

Dear Mikey [Michael Krieger], I am truly happy that you're the first major ZH contributor to clue into and propagate the Truth I've been trying to spread on ZH for many, many months:

That what we have isn't just "Socialism", or "Fascism" -- although there is plenty of superficial evidence to support these models -- but something far deeper and more sinister.

What we have is FEUDALISM 2.0.  Or, if you will, using America as the Launching/Distribution Platform, we have MANIFEST DESTINY 2.0.

...

Feudalism is FAR more scary & dangerous, because it lasted > 1,000 years (in Europe). 

I contend that a class of people that was as rich, powerful, organized and had the mindset of "divine entitlement" to rule, was not going to go away quietly.  They may have been overthrown ~ 100 years ago, but they did not just "fade away and died".  They went underground (into Gentleman Clubs and Secret Societies) and collaborated & colluded with Banksters, so they could rise again.  And rise they did -- under the times and regime of GHW Bush (Sr), starting in 1980.

And Banksters prefer Feudalism over ALL other forms of governance -- as it provides a perpetual stream of Income and entitlement lifestyle for them and their political-military masters, for multiple generations, not just multiple years.  Which explains also why the Elite have good relations with global Monarchs, no matter how bad they are (e.g. Saudis).  The Elite do not want Revolutions caused by non-Elite, i.e. by someone from the Masses.  They have time-limited or no use for 'Plebs' like Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, or Vladimir Putin.   They prefer the like of the Shah of Iran, King Abdullah of S.A., the King and Queen of Jordan*, the Kings and Queens of Europe and Japan.  They also prefer Useful Fools/Tools like Prime Ministers and Presidents, who effectively do the dirty work for them, and take the blame and fall, while they stay in the Shadows of Power.

Kirk out.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:50 | 5471635 Bobportlandor
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Today is a day that will live in infamy. Again.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:50 | 5471637 no more banksters
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"In such an environment everyone will be left alone to survive. Human life will totally lose value. This is the return to perfect barbarism. Many still believe in the myth of the free market. They have an ideal situation in mind where everyone will be free from the state suppression and the free market will drive societies and individuals to balance and prosperity. It's just an illusion because in reality the game is more rigged than ever. We are not talking about capitalism, not even neoliberalism. We are talking about the new global, brutal feudalism!"

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/08/the-dominant-elite-ready-to-b...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 20:06 | 5471673 FeralSerf
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Move it to Diego Garcia. There'll a very wide and deep moat all around it, no extra charge.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 20:14 | 5471708 Nondrone 99
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John C.Devereaux and his youngest brother Nicholas T.Devereaux appeared in Utica,NY around 1800.Natives of County Wexford,Ireland,they opened a store in 1802 in a stinking mudhole which would later be called Bagg's Square after the owner of the largest brothel in the area.Shortly thereafter they began banking on an informal basis.The Savings Bank of Utica was incorporated in 1839.Eventually the Devereaux Brothers became infamous for their greed,lack of scruples,mendacity,arrogance and snobbery.Both brothers built ridiculously huge,pretentious mansions.Nicholas' mansion particularly was considered to be a gaudy,insolent eyesore and perpetual insult to the citizens who were well aware that the foundation of the brothers' fortunes was money swindled from local farmers and merchants.Antipathy piled higher as the hated Devereaux brothers stacked insults upon injuries.Then a rigged election boosted John C.Devereaux to the office of mayor in 1840.The following year,Nicholas' palatial home mysteriously caught fire.The call for Bucket Brigades was raised,as was customary in those days before organized fire departments.The citizens appeared in due course-to douse the nearby buildings with water while their wives and teenaged daugters scornfully tossed water from teacups towards the gigantic,flaming inferno that had been the haughty Nicholas T.Devereaux's pride and joy.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 20:35 | 5471751 Guns N Metals
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Leave it to another damn Jew to suggest something like this.  He may as well request the White House be redefined as a castle or a palace and move all of congress into its rooms.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 22:20 | 5472167 dot_bust
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This is bullish if you're in the moat-building business.  My God, it could be more profitable than Fakebook!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 22:33 | 5472213 bid the soldier...
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A propos de rien.

 

Does anybody know?  Is that twitter avartar Jumbotron?

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 08:11 | 5473104 New Kid
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This was the plan all along. Why else the excesive publicity for the White House false flag incursions?

This way, when the pitchforks arrive, the moat/fence will buy enough time to escape thru the underground tunnels.

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