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Russian Crew Boards 1st Mistral Carrier As France Quietly Completes Construction Of 2nd Ship
Once again it appears France is speaking from both sides of its mouth. As Hollande openly stands behind moar sanctions against Russia and 'talks' about withholding delivery of the first Mistral-class helicopter carriers to Russia, ITAR-TASS reports the construction of the second ship - ironically named Sevastopol, after the capital of Crimea - has been carried out according to schedule. Furthermore, judging by the rhetoric of foreign affairs minister d'Artagnan that "France’s obligations to Russia under the contract on the helicopter carrier must be fulfilled," it appears Putin will get his way soon.
Russian troops are boarding the disputed first Mistral-class ship...
And the second Mistral-class ship is ready and remains in dry-dock in Saint-Nazaire...
The construction of the Sevastopol Mistral ship is carried out according to schedule, a source in the United Shipbuilding Corporation told TASS. The source confirmed that the dry dock in Saint-Nazaire where the ship is docked was filled up with water on the 20th of November.
According to the agency’s source, the second helicopter carrier construction is being carried out in accordance with the terms of the deal and the ship has been launched.
Currently, Russia is waiting for France to decide on the delivery of the first helicopter carrier, the Vladivostok. Its delivery was due earlier this month, however, Paris has not yet decided on the date, because of the crisis in Ukraine.
French Vice-President of the commission on foreign affairs, defense and armament Aymeri de Montesquiou d’Artagnan said in the interview with TASS, he believes that Paris will meet its commitments.
“Historically, Russia plays an important role in the world; it helped France in the First World War, the French politician noted. This summer I travelled to Moscow to attend the opening of the monument to the Russian soldier, who played a prominent role and changed the entire course of the great war”.
D'Artagnan pointed to the importance of the dialogue between Paris and Moscow. “We need to hear each other, to strengthen confidence, he said. - I agree with those who believe that France’s obligations to Russia under the contract on the helicopter carrier must be fulfilled”.
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How much you want to bet an exchange of Gold was involved?
<How much you want to bet that the Gold doesn't make it to the French 'state' vaults?>
ALL ABOARD!
Good.
Cause this way the French know Putin won't burn down Paris.
And BFD cause they're just transport ships and not like France built some hyper-sonic-stealth nuclear attack submarines for the Ruskies.
Ribbit... ribbit...
How many gears are there in a French tank?
Only two, neutral and reverse, LOL.
This kind of ugly disdain and nasty jokes come from the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003.
Since France refused to go to Iraq, American warmongers and neo-cons made French army look like cowards – as a punishment.
But History has proved the French were right, and that the WMD were only a dirty trick to serve as a pretext.
Nevertheless, the hate of American warmongers against France remains still there, well alive, even in ZH.
This stale hate still shows through "innocent good jokes" about the “surrender monkeys” and their white flag … As for the rest, the French can be proud of their Military History which remains despite these stupid jokes the best military record in Europe.
Butthurt much?
"This kind of ugly disdain and nasty jokes come from the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003."
Nah. It comes from their enthusiastic - not even reluctant - collaboration with the Nazis in WW2. Maybe they'll live it down in another 50 years or so.
As for the rest, I'm sure the French are proud of their systematic torture in Algeria, government-ordered terrorism, a showcase for the heightened civilized values of French culture. Leading by example, excellent.
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Well of course the Vichy French government collaborated with the Nazis, but they were certainly not representative of the French people. In all fairness, there are Nazi supporters currently operating at high political levels in Vichy DC, but Vichy DC does not represent the American people.
Do you think it will only take 100 years for the USA to live it all down? Might be a bit optimistic.
@sumo
No you are wrong: it comes from the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003.
About WW2, as apparently History is not your favorite subject I’ll give you a more complete view:
* Vichy was recognised by the US Government until end of 1942 !
* Apart from the puppet government based in Vichy, there was a free government based in London under the authority of General De Gaulle.
* In all occupied countries by the Nazis, some citizens, driven by nationalism, ethnic hatred, anti-communism, anti-Semitism, or opportunism knowingly engaged in collaboration. But the LVF (Legion Volontaire Francaise), the French volunteer army that the Germans tried to organize, was a gigantic flop: Only a division was supplied to the German army, whereas the Netherlands (with a 4 times less important population) supplied 2 divisions.
* In all occupied countries by the Nazis, the Jews have been quite completely exterminated during WW2. In occupied France, “only” (if we may say) 25% of the Jews have been deported. Most of the Jews succeeded to survive thanks to the active and passive resistance of a large part of the population. It explains why France is now, by far, the country in Europe with the largest Jewish community (more than 600 000).
* During the Italian campaign of 1943, 130,000 Free French soldiers fought on the Allied side (under General Juin)
* By the time of the Normandy invasion, Free French forces numbered approximately half a million regulars and more than 100,000 French Forces of the Interior (FFI).
The FFI in Normandy and the Île-de-France region surrounding Paris began to harass German forces intensively, cutting roads and railways, setting ambushes and fighting conventional battles alongside their allies. This caused the death, arrest, or deportation of 90,000 resistance fighters - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance
General Eisenhower estimated the value of the Résistance to have been equal to ten to fifteen divisions at the time of the landings - http://voices.yahoo.com/the-french-resistance-world-war-ii-400073.html
* The Free French 2nd Armored Division, under General Philippe Leclerc, landed in Normandy, and, in the waning days of summer 1944, led the drive toward Paris, and later Strasbourg.
* 3500 French pilots served in the RAF - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force
and others in Russia in Normandie-Niemen Squadron - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandie-Niemen
* 6 Free French divisions (230 000 men) did contribute hugely to the Provence landing - under command of General De Lattre de Tassigny (Operation Dragoon). They held their ground in Alsace during the battle of the Bulge, disobeying Eisenhower’s orders to retreat.
* In 1945 the Allied Forces on the west front consisted in: US: 45 divisions - UK: 12 divisions - France: 9 divisions - Poland: 1 division. In total, not a lot compared with the Soviet forces on the east side, the real winners of WWII.
Don't forget the Libyan Bombing run of the 80's.
How many gears in an Italian tank?
Three, Neutral, Reverse and 1 forward in case they are attacked from behind.
so, thats the best russians got? some french thing for helicopters ...and it took them what ? 4-5 years to take delivery ... remember if it was not for the rosenbergs they would have never had the nuclear either ... whatever...
funny thing that picture of Putin holding a skull ... meaning look at this tough guy ... where as Obama is pictiured as weak ... go ask Chuck Hagel what he thinks .... clowns...
Such penetratng insights!
I hope they pay you well.
More bad news : Ot but what the hell
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/24/antarctic-ice-thicker...
They never measured the sea ice properly at the Antarctic, now they have and guess what its ummm much thicker, oh never mind its cuz of warming yeah thats it..
How about this for starters, then ask me about new anti aircraft missiles S-400 and S-500, TOR M2U, and the newest fast attack submarines. You ever tracked a Russian submarine? It isn't all one sided!
On 10 April 2014, the USS Donald Cook entered the waters of the Black Sea and on 12 April a Russian Su-24 tactical bomber flew over the vessel triggering an incident that, according to several media reports, completely demoralized its crew, so much so that the Pentagon issued a protest [1].
The USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) is a 4th generation guided missile destroyer whose key weapons are Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of up to 2,500 kilometers, and capable of carrying nuclear explosives. This ship carries 56 Tomahawk missiles in standard mode, and 96 missiles in attack mode.
The US destroyer is equipped with the most recent Aegis Combat System. It is an integrated naval weapons systems which can link together the missile defense systems of all vessels embedded within the same network, so as to ensure the detection, tracking and destruction of hundreds of targets at the same time. In addition, the USS Donald Cook is equipped with 4 large radars, whose power is comparable to that of several stations. For protection, it carries more than fifty anti-aircraft missiles of various types.
Meanwhile, the Russian Su-24 that buzzed the USS Donald Cook carried neither bombs nor missiles but only a basket mounted under the fuselage, which, according to the Russian newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta [2], contained a Russian electronic warfare device called Khibiny.
As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up - or about to be - with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control.
The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft - unarmed - repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.
After that, the 4th generation destroyer immediately set sail towards a port in Romania.
Since that incident, which the Atlanticist media have carefully covered up despite the widespread reactions sparked among defense industry experts, no US ship has ever approached Russian territorial waters again.
According to some specialized media, 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service.
Vladimir Balybine - director of the research center on electronic warfare and the evaluation of so-called "visibility reduction" techniques attached to the Russian Air Force Academy - made the following comment:
1) According to some specialized media, 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service.
Unnamed, uncited fake media reports that are merely alluded to by Russian propaganda site. Even they aren't going to credit this account by wrapping their own suspect credibility around it, although you obviously do. So, hardy-har-har.
2) Always a good idea to display your new secret weapon in a way that allows your enemy to make counter-preparations long before it will be used in active service.
Smells absolutely false to me. Or else they are complete morons. Perhaps both.
3) We all know what Obama-issued Rules of Engagement look like, so the most logical explanation is that the Cook was not allowed to even turn on its Air Defense radars, much less paint a potentially hostile target. Let's run a second experiment. One Russian volunteer in an SU-27 to buzz the Donald Cook under full alert wartime conditions, and see what happens.
4) Even this article slyly points out that Aegis is a networked system that uses an Aegis cruiser as its server. Thus, buzzing an isolated Aegis-capable detroyer is not the same as taking on Aegis itself. Apparently, you missed that part.
5) They also obviously had their Phalanx turned off, since it would have automatically sawed Ivan into little tiny pieces if it was active.
But, hey, put your money on Russian high tech gear versus the USN if that's the way you roll.
Valid points, but you missed strongest argument against the story as presented, how does the Russians media know exactly what was transpiring on board an American warship at the time in question?
The diplomatic protest would have been filed anyway if the ship was buzzed 12 times, irrespective of its capability to respond.
That said, who knows exactly what both sides have up their sleeves, the club of EMP and space weapon wielding nations is even smaller than the club of nukular nations, and regardless of what devices may, or may not, have been deployed in April- both sides have the ability to disrupt the others integrated electronic systems and the by extension that men and machines that rely on them to wage war.
Absolutely. There are measures, counter-measures, and counter-counter measures ad infinitum. It is not impossble to suppose that any missiles fired by the Russan would have been spoofed into landing in the Executive washroom at the Admiralty in Sevastopol.
The whole premise that a US Navy vessel operating under severe political and diplomatic restrictions was "bested" by a single Russian jet with its X-Ray spectacles on is a ridiculous set of circumstances on which to base the assumptions his story tries to make.
Back in 1999, the Serbs shot down a stealth bomber tracked with a WW2 radar.
http://theaviationist.com/2014/03/27/vega-31-shot-down/
Being the exceptional nation, the so called american leaders often think they are the best in everything, and so often under estimate their opponents Just count the number of wars the USSA has lost since viet nam, police action. America is a country of good people led by evil corrupt leaders
actually it was mobile phone towers
Yeah I guess if you know where and when to look, and the bay doors are open, you can find it.
what I'd like to know is this:
How close could that Ruskie have gotten had the Donald Cook been approved to shoot it down before the Ruskie got to within 100 miles?
"so the most logical explanation is that the Cook was not allowed to even turn on its Air Defense radars, much less paint a potentially hostile target."
That never happens unless a U.S. ship is in home port or an allied port.
There is no way a U.S. navy vessel will turn off its radars while sailing the the Black Sea.
You don't know what you are talking about.
As a general statement of fact, I absolutely concur. But we are dealing with a show-the-flag mission no doubt specifically demanded by the President and operating under what is also no doubt a very constrained set of circumstances.
The sad case of the USS Vincennes comes to mind.
But to elaborate further, the hypothesis is made that the Donld Cook was helpless in the face of Russian technological superiority. I do not believe it.
I can believe that the Cook was tracking but not allowed to respond in any way.
And I can also believe that a Presidential order can override SOP for political reasons, vide: the unchambered weapons protecting the Marine Barracks in Beirut.
Don't know if either of these things are true or not, but I am more willing to credit Administration stupidity than I am to grant this alleged new Russian wunderwaffen rendering the US Navy helpless.
I'm not. Have you worked with Russians in a technical capacity? I have. Although anecdotal to my own experiences, there is a theme that sticks. They have had to work and make do with less for a long time, and in doing so became very good at what they do. Doubting Russian expertise because the USN is supposed to be so good is short sighted I think. I also know people that were in the Navy and I will say that some our best tech comes from there. But that in no way means Russians lack.
As for the Donald Cook story, that has been around for a while. There was some report from the pentagon recently about it but it wasn't in depth. It may not be totally false. I don't believe anything the media says though.
You just forgot how many times US warships (including aircraft carriers) received unexpected successful training attacks from Russian aviation.
Only an idiot would think today that aircraft carriers is a danger to any strong country. Aircraft carriers - is a weapon against savages only. But for any strong country, aircraft carriers - it's just a big targets.
If we will have a war between the US and Russia, then all the US aircraft carriers will be sunk on the first day.
This is the simplest and easiest thing that can make Russia against the United States at any time and instantly.
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/163409
http://www.gazeta.ru/2000/12/08/pentagonpriz.shtml
http://vk.com/video5912572_169424445
US so much accustomed to war with savages, that they themselves began to believe in the fairy tales about invulnerability their floating troughs. LOL
The empire got soft fighting all those colonial wars
"The Sad Case of Vincennes comes to mind..."
Would you mind elaborating on that?
My Ship was one of the First Responders to the same War Zone the Vincennes sailed in; and last time I checked, we don't turn off our Fire Control Radars (and the CIWS, btw) in potentially hazardous zones.
With the Coup and Civil War, they should have been in Wartime Cruising and on General Quarters (Battlestations) the moment a Bird was spotted in the Air headed for the Sea.
Eveyone has their and generally accepted "Rules of Engagement" ; and I'm sure the Russians never crossed the line with their Jammer.
"...That never happens [turn on Air Defense radars] unless a U.S. ship is in home port or an allied port..."
There are, I would guess, twenty-five or thirty different radars on an Arleigh Burke-calss destroyer that are - in some way - related to air defense. Detection is not tracking, acquisition is not targeting and illumination is not seeking. Many of those radars have dozens of different modes of operation and power levels that can be used.
The only air defense radars they would have had fired up and the only operating modes used are the ones the Russians already know about and already have a library of characteristics and signatures. Basic air defense, but nothing near the ship's actual capabilities.
The Sukhoi wasn't doing 'simulated bombing runs', it was buzzing the ship for the purpose of recording every electronic signature of every radar it could possibly detect. So were the other half-dozen Russian ships and subs shadowing the destroyer. The Donald Cook's captain expects that to happen and purposely doesn't fire up everything once they determine it's just Russian intelligence-gathering. He's got a nuclear-armed cruise missile destroyer floating around in the Russian equivalent of the Great Lakes or Gulf of Mexico - he knows it pisses off the Russians. The US had the 'protest' of overflight prepared before the Donald Cook ever reached the Black Sea.
Likewise, Russia is not going to strap its supposedly best jamming systems on its newest fighters so the Americans can record everything for future use. They probably did tests with the kinds of jamming the U.S. is already familiar with to see how the ship's radars reacted (or didn't react as the case may be). At the same time, they're recording any kind of electronic countermeasures the ship used and taking visual and infrared imagery of every last nut and bolt. Standard procedure. The only difference to the Russians was the level of provocation from a nuclear-armed ship in their backyard. In the Mediterranean, they would have done a few overflights at reasonable altitudes. In the Black Sea, they had no problem letting their pilots getting as close as they wanted to the deck of the ship. Again, nothing the captain of the Donald Cook wouldn't expect.
What nobody saw were the subs, which were likely there playing the exact same games.
The crew of the Donald Cook would not have been 'demoralized' - they would have been busy as hell like they are on all intelligence-gathering tasking. The Donald Cook's port call in Romania was diplomatic glad-handing to keep Sofia in the pocket of US oil interests, supporting the Nabbuco pipeline over Russia's South Stream. The U.S. Navy's Sixth Fleet routinely stops in Ukraine, Georgia, Turkey, Bulgaria or Romania when they're snooping around the Black Sea.
The Russians and US have been at these games for the last half-century. If either the US or Russia found out anything 'new' about each other, then the other side was incompetent or stupid (and neither is true of either side).
That's funny.
"I would guess"
That is exactly what you are doing throughout.
Yeah, that's a fair statement. Did you think the Donald Cook has a single radar? Like a continuous-wave, single-mode radar with a big rotating dish antenna?
I don't know crap about ships, but its easy enough to do a search and find a few things about the Donald Cook's radars.
It has the AGEIS/SPY-1/D is a system, not a single radar. It has 4 phase-scanned arrays, S-band and sub-band groups capable of several modes, wideband mode on newer BMD versions. This hardly can be called a 'single radar' - more like a dozen different ones sharing the same emitter/sensor array.
In addition to the SPY-1, it has:
AN/SPS-49(V) Very Long-range 2-D search radar
4 AN/SPG-62 I/J band Sea Sparrow fire control radars
2 AN/SPQ-9B X band fire control radars with air, surface and beacon modes
AN/SPG-60 scan-to-acquire and tracking fire control radar; CW illuminator
AN/SPS67(V)3 and 74(V)12 - Short-range C-band surface search radars
AN/SPS-55 I Band Surface Search and Navigation radar
2 PHALANX CIWS, each with a Ku-band search radar and a Ku-band fire-control tracking radar
SQL-32 Missile/Aircraft radar Threat warning recievers
SQL-32 Serveilance and Tracking radar recievers
I'm missing all the jamming and ECW/ECCW radar stuff, and I'm not counting anti-sub and sonar.
Why don't you educate us on what an Arleigh Burke class destroyer REALLY has or why my 'guess' is so fucked as to be useless.
Remember the Liberty!
Yeah, interesting story glad to be reminded again about it.
But the idea that 27 Sailors requested to be Relieved is a reach too far.
After 13 years of Wartime Discipline the senior sailors would have a tight ship. Probably there are some newbys on the Boat but when you have leadership & chain of command... threats, coercion, intimidation, ... and Training. No. I can't believe it.
nyet...remember not everyone is happy with present situation of political treatments,
correctness, purges and disrespect from above for military...
Not far idea that someone talk.
Biggest sign is official nothing....total silence, no denial...purpose to let story die asap, rather than bring attention
reminds of MH17
The theory of the American Superman has been well spread by media. If you ever were a US Navy sailor, you would know just what a joke the idea of Amerian superority is. Show me the war where these supermen have preavailed since we did destroy the Japanese Empire. People are so convinced by American superority, look around you. Soviet Era 1970's missiles and radar used by Serbs shot down a Stealth aircraft, the world's greatest machine. How did they do it? Russia sent a technical team that showed them who to team up the two radars and missiles systems to paint the aircraft and then shoot it down. I wonder how stealth whould do with an S-400 guided by a RUssian passive air defense network and passive fire control center.
I don't know, some Americans believe everthing the arms makers tell them. Israel using Americans best weapons got their assess kicked by some 1990's Russian anti tank guided missiles and upgradd RPGs. Imagine what happens when a 2014 anti tank guided missile is used!
Just because Iraq caved in, you think America is all powerful. The amount of foolishness in some of the above quotes betrays much reading of the myth, and very little real military service. Sailors as supermen, Jesus, what Navy is that? Some fairy tale they tell the civilians? Why did Marine and Army units with full air control fail to defeat a few Afghan idiots with 1950's Soviet infantry weapons. IT DON'T ADD UP.
Agreed Jack!
The fog of real war against a competent enemy is going to come as a real shock if it happens.
I love the contrived narrative above where the poster guesses that the destroyer has 25 or more different types of radar. A receipe for a fatal clusterfuck of confusion once incoming ordinance appears on the horizon. Everyone has plan to utilize complex equipment until he gets punched in the face.
I think back to that three day command planning exercise writing fire support plans for the Berlin Brigade. What I saw did not inspire confidence and I suspect the level of competence has not improved over the last 45 years.
useless talkings
Russia has best Physicists of world.
Russians are master of propulsion
You have not idea
Where not belong but making trouble expect 15 min life expectance max before end buoyancy
Russian sailors say:
Each US aircraft carrier, always and everywhere have accompanied a few submarines.
But not all of them are property of the United States. LOL
Have you managed to confirm any of this Jack ?
It would be classified higher than the true US holdings of gold though.
Even so, there must be scuttlebutt.
It's what the Russians "leaked" about it. The only thing that can be confirmed is that on its way back, that ship stopped in the Romanian port of Constantza, where the Romanian president paid them a visit aboard.
Jack Burton, I've met a military expert from an EU country. He told me, about the USS Donald Cook, that it's not the first time the Russians achieve disabling the Aegis system, but that it had already happened before. All very hush hush, of course. He wouldn't give me further details, but they all know.
Why this story about the USS Cook may be true.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/17/defeating-aegis-the-us-naval-boo...
Anal Arius sounds like pure sour grapes on your part. Cunt!
Rosenbergs ? Nunn-May, Fuchs, Oppenheimer....... But for Penney Britain would not have an H-Bomb sinvce the US cut off cooperation in 1946.
Might be worth checking how many UK physicists the US needed to help with "their" project.
Britain never needed your help. But the cutting - off of "co-operation" once the US had got what it wanted was an early example of US policy since then - entirely one way.
Interesting to note the real reason for the execution of the "Nuclear Spies" - nothing to do with that "flat in Moscow" as reward, everythoing to do with them having experienced first - hand the hazards of unopposed military power - and they had the moral fortitude to at least try to ensure a "balanced" Global nuclear threat capability.
Letting the US have an unopposed Global Killing Machine would have led to even worse atrocities than we see today. The "Politicians" of the day were just as much front-men for "The Machine" as they are now.
Ummm Kim Philby comes to mind for some reason...
very incoherent
Oh?! and where would U.S. technology be without the thousands of patents they stole from Germany, huh?
That is the Germany that got out of the anglozionist monetary system... and thrived while the "west" was stuck in a depression.
Oh yeah, because of public education nobody knows about that... some very powerful people had everything to lose... they had to manipulate world opinion to obliterate Germany.
Hey wait? where have I seen this before?
Have you heard of Marie Curie and her pioneering work Nuclear Physics? Probably not.
Have you heard of non-Euclidian geometry from PointCarré and how Einstein used those maths for his relatively theory. Probably not either.
Marie Curie was Polish
Ari-ass
I'm shocked! SHOCKED!!! To find gambling is going on in here.
OT: Brown case
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grand-jury-reaches-decision-in-case-of-ferguson-officer/2014/11/24/de48e7e4-71d7-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html
It's like living with a bad marriage in a country that doesn't allow divorce. Blacks and whites need to go our separate ways, irreconcilable differences.
Chimp-out in T-Minus: 04 hours, 27 minutes...
OOT: The Old Brown Case
by Norman Blake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL1MoHgW3VA
Maybe the guys guarding the carrier in the port had a mandatory 1/2 hour break, allowing the Russian crew to just walke on board and take control.
Russia needs these Carriers so they can bomb Qatar to kingdom come.
No response from the White House? What about those sanctions?
(union) contracts MUST be honored
The Constitution, though, continues it roll ... as toilet paper
The sanctity of contract, no?
Like all carriers, just a big, expensive target. Congratulations Russia on following the US lead...was hoping you were smarter.
Would not even be designated a carrier in any western fleet,
Only politics change it from from a marine amphibious support vessel.A tactical vessel,
versus a strategic asset.
It's pretty slow too. 18.8 knots is less than 22 MPH.
yeah and it needs water to float.......
21,000 tonnes ? US carriers 100,000 tonnes. HMS Ocean21,500 tonnes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ocean_%28L12%29
Ah La FRANCE you just showed me how broke/desperate you are lol
No, France just showed how weak/ineffective Obama's FP is.
wha'ts new there, thata has been a fact for a while now
To be honest it wasn't Obamao's FP that surrendered, but the French.
They just can't kick bad habits.
So stupid …
Happily for the US they didn’t surrender at Chesapeake and Yorktown ! The USA wouldn’t exist then …
In fact the French - surrounded by the Germans, English, Dutch, Italians and Spaniards (among others) - succeeded to win and guard the largest country in the very heart of Europe.
They did it by fighting 168 major wars even against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10 times.
This makes France the most successful military power in European history - in terms of number of fought and won …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France
Maybe so, but unless you pull another Charlemagne out of your ass pretty soon it is not going to make much of a difference with your current immigration and Muslim problem that only continues to grow.
No objections from the White House?..... weird.
I wonder.....does all the comms gear have the NSA "Quality Control" sticker on it now?
This carrier will have some choppers with the “Khibiny” electronic jamming system which turns off our Aegis radar and targeting system. A Su-24 Fencer did that to the US destroyer “Donald Cook” a few months ago in the Black Sea.
Interesting system name. Khibiny is 'hide me' in a certain language.
Look for geographic location.
Putin designed it himself while hunting albino tigers, bare-chested, on the back of polar bears!!
It is worth a look at a List of NATO Designation Names for Soviet Aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_reporting_names_for_fighter_a...
Fishbed - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 and Chengdu J-7
Flogger - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 and MiG-27
Fagot - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15
Faithless - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23PD
"...judging by the rhetoric of foreign affairs minister d'Artagnan..."
No way! What would Alexander Dumas say? "Mon Dieu!"?
"Sevastapol", now that is rich.
Go Russian Federation!
what is "tous pour un, un pour tous" in Russian?
money talks.
Since we talk about d'Artagnan, remember his Nemesis, Richelieu, paid Gustavus Adolphus to fight their mutual enemies the Habsburgs, rather than having french troops do that job.
Richelieu did not want to get involved in the bloodshed that engulfed Germany and the Low countries. As the french had been bled a century earlier during the Italian wars!
Good decision. Money talked and France scored a home run at the Treaty of Westphalia.
They were top dogs as all others had been bled dry!
Hollande hopes France will win some space for itself in the Reset, by being a neo-Richelieu in the coming US/Putin/ME/Iran/Saud/China global tit for tat blood bath now imminent.
Especially if the US stay neo-conned on foreign policy and keep playing at Unilateralist king of the world Charles V of Habsurg or his progeny.
Tipping times.
meanwhile, the MSM media blackout of news from Eastern Ukraine continues. One wonders why - but might surmise that were there Russian troops "invading" - and were there massacres committed against Kiev's forces - regular and neofascist militia.... you'd see it on the front page of the CIA's newspaper - the NYT.
As it is, the neofascist thugs of Western Ukraine, blood thirsty, ultra nationalist idiots, remain useful to the IMF and NATO shadow government running Kiev.
Preparations for War:
- Lower Price of Gas/Diesel
- Position Air & Sea Assets around Russian Positions (NATO)
- Increase Military Training, Shift Funding to Operations & Training
- Identify Financial Players, Financial Resources
- Change Secretary of Defense
- Get Right Wing Think Tanks to Squeal about Lower Troops, Lower Funding in DOD Programs, $580.13 Billion, (worlds Largest)
- Emphasize Augustine's Law
- Lobby Congress
- Pump more money into Defense Programs & Training
- Expand and Accelerate Underground Nuclear Bunkers
- Remove any Capital Controls & Limits on Money Creation
- Transfer Capital & Wealth off shore and to personal compounds in South America
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/chuck-hagel-step-down-us-...
Hagel, a Vietnam combat veteran and a non-commissioned army officer, was not expected to be a wartime defense secretary, instead brought in to manage the downsizing of US ground forces and shore up the administration’s at-times uneasy relationship with the military.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/11/21/bought-and-paid-congress-divides-th...
good links, Teeth. Consortium does some great stuff.
Thanx. Robert's Rules of Order is the short title of a book, written by Brig. Gen. Henry Martyn Robert, containing rules of order intended to be adopted as a parliamentary authority for use by a deliberative assembly. Currently in its eleventh edition, began in 1863 when he was chosen to preside over a church meeting and, although he accepted the task, felt that he did not have the necessary knowledge of proper procedure.
NPR’s Overby talked with political scientist David Primo, who thinks Congress may be spending more time studying The Godfather than Robert’s Rules of Order.
Just realized you posted the links I was looking for this morning up top.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/all-out-war-in-ukraine-natos-final-offensiv...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/kiev-regime-massacre-renewed-bombing-and-sh...
Why isn't ZH covering this story?
nice list.
basically a combination of wishful thinking and fantasy.
After Dot.Com Crash, Fraud of 9-11, Enron Scandal, Maddoff Scandal, Corzine Scandal, Knight Scandal, Peregrine Scandal, Standford Scandal, Sandy Weil Scandal, Robert Rubin Scandal, NAFTA Scandal, Graham-Blighbly Scandal, Dodd-Frank Scandal, Ratings Companies Scandal, Sub-Prime Scandal, Ninja Foreclosure Scandal, Rehypothication Scandal, Global Financial Scandal caused by Wall Street, JP Morgan Whale Scandal, Pallets of Money falling off trucks or Electrons in Pentagon, Torture, Rendition to Secret Prisons and Foreign Prisons, 12 Year war in Afghanistan, US Soldiers Guarding Poppys, $10 Trillion in Defense Spending in 12 years, WMDs in Iraq...
I've lost my Perspective on what is possible.
Can't wait to see McStain's beetroot face on this news. Doesn't mean the french have balls , it's just that they are fucking pink lint, skint.
Let's hope it's the beginning of the EEEEUUUUUU's two finger salute to Fascist Vichy DC although i wont hold my breath as the fat thieving gypsy bastards in brussels are spineless cretins.
Gilligan's Island Theme Song
Moar drama queen political bitchez.
Russia's mass natural gas deals with China is also going to throw a massive blow at US Shale Gas, who rely of the LGN exports in future years to Europe and Asia. Yet, there is a little problem, one I have pointd out again and again. COST of Fracking, COST of LGN, TRANSPORT on special tankers and special terminals.
" Here's the problem: To convert U.S. natural gas to liquefied natural gas, put it on specially built tankers and ship it to Europe or Asia will cost about $6 per mcf. If the price of U.S. natural gas averages around $6 per mcf, the total landed cost of U.S. LNG will be the cost of the gas plus the cost of converting it and shipping it, that is, around $12 per mcf." Russian gas can smash that price! And keep smashing it!
Pump me up like I'm a Baltic Index heroine tramp.
http://marketrealist.com/2014/10/must-know-dry-bulk-shipping-industry-players-and-performance/
boy those sanctions and lower oil prices is really killing PutinDiddy and the russkies...
thats what CNBS says...
so it must be TRUE....
so shut up...
"A planned high-speed railway stretching some 7,000 kilometers between Moscow and Beijing will cost about 7 trillion rubles ($153 billion) to build, a Russian Railways executive was quoted as saying Friday.
Over half of the sum, or 4 trillion rubles ($87.5 billion), is expected to come from Chinese investors, said Alexander Misharin, who heads Russian Railways' subsidiary High-Speed Rail Lines, news agency TASS reported.
Russia and China signed a memorandum of cooperation on the development of a high-speed rail network in mid-October that included construction of a high-speed rail line from Moscow to Beijing.
Trains are expected to hurtle along the new line at an average speed of 400 kilometers per hour, cutting the travel time between the two cities from the current six or more days to about 33 hours.
A high-speed link between Moscow and Kazan, almost 800 kilometers to the east, is intended as the first section of the continent-spanning new railroad. But it is not clear who will foot the 1 trillion ruble ($21 billion) bill for the project.
Officials have suggested that funds could be allocated from the National Welfare Fund, one of Russia's sovereign wealth funds. Another option is that Chinese investors provide part of the sum, or about 400 billion rubles ($8.7 billion). However, no investors have yet committed themselves.
Gennady Timchenko, a well-connected billionaire who after appearing on Western sanctions lists earlier this year was appointed head of the Russian-Chinese Business Council, told reporters on Thursday that he was optimistic that China would provide financial support for the project, which he said could carry more than 200 million passengers a year."
Today, very few people who understand the essence of the phenomena that occur in the relations between Russia and China.
China will change and is already changing the US debt to Russia's natural resources.
Therefore, Russia will always have money despite any sanctions. And China will always have resources from Russia.
....anyone taking the Over on when the screw falls off?
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Wht's the over/under on minutes until the next Ferguson story?
Kidding aside - they'd be better off setting up snack tables and having black uniformed local cops walking around talking to old ladies, providing some BBQ pre-verdict than this idiotic DHS/FBI approach.
But then the FBI got rid of anyone with brains or a predilection for honesty some time ago.
They can outright execute a guy in florida and get away with it - light of day murder - and skate with barely a hiccup. Ah the power of magickal words like 'terror' and 'suspect'....
They don't indict but he resigns and cool weather keeps things fairlly calm after a couple nights of the usual smoke and mirrors.... I hope.
Right on cue.
Press announcement later today.
It is an assumption, not substantiated by evidence, that the only gold stockpiled in Gokhran warehouses belongs to the CBR and its official foreign currency reserves.
JE. i have to thank you for all the links. although the trolls keep nipping your heels, please appreciate how important your links and insight are for some of us.
Russia does not need these expensive white elephants. The deal was done under a Non-Putin government before he became president again. The cost is outrageous, the value for naval warfare is near on to zero. I suspect, and bet I am right, that the Russian Navy wanted these ships only for peacetime transport and support of overseas allies. But mainly as examples of the "state of the art" western naval engineering and controls. The USSR collapsed and Russian naval ship builders basically died, with few contracts and little money. But now Russia is ready to ramp up all it's ship building, naval and commerical. The engineering lessons in these two ships will help leapfrog them forward over the lost decade of post USSR poverty in Russia. In that sense, they would provide valuable lessons to a new generation of naval engineers inside the Russian Federation.
Interesting comment. You have a point, but I still like the reach of Navy & that Nuclear Missiles can hide under the water on ships with other capability. Navy Seals on a Sub while a great force multiplier for their size, could be said to not have the range and presence for a World War with Russia and maybe not even China.
I wonder what is the best kinds of warfare today. I'm not an expert at all. Someone came around one day and said warfare had become "economic war" or a financial war... like we had graduated or something.
- Cyber War
- Financial War, Financial Cycle
- Economic War, including destroying a currency
- Currency War
- IMF/WB Dominance with Permanent Debt, Take over of Assets
- Conventional War, Sea, Air, Land, Under Sea, Electronic
- Nuclear War
- Space Based War
They say we Took out the USSR with Financial War and Bribes to Officials. But Payback would be a Bitch.
They don't want to go into Russia proper - they want to commit Israeli-like ethnic cleansing and civilian collective punishment and other atrocities in hopes of drawing Putin in [he's fending off ultra nationlists and US-supported globalist/bankster NGOs]....
The lack of coverage of Ukraine - across the media - except for the odd, absolute fabrication [e.g a recent Time piece that was literally just one big "Russia has invaded Ukraine" lie] shouts fairly loudly...
commit atrocities, don't report on it, and when Ivan perhaps supplies some better weapons, say the rebels are "Russian" and report on their counter-attack as 'the' aggression.
It is straight out of the Israel/Palestine/NY Times kind of playbook.
Yeah, You Are Right.
What to call that Ethnic Cleansing? Hootooism. Tutziism. That is what we wanted for Syria, parts of Iraq, Libya. 500 years of this in Africa.
- Chaos with Local Militia Warfare
- Pitting Militia Tribes against each other
- Proxy Warfare
Yes, Proxy Warfare.
Best kind of warfare is none..
You seem to have bad mentality of this subject..exploring typical offensive beliefs
all too common
I have my life experience as Bias.
We all have Bias. And thinking men are not appreciated as populists. perhaps the military tip of the spear has a use for thinking men, but the institutions of US Military are a tool of Politicians and Private Executives.
As a free man I can think what I want.
I don't believe in US Wars. But maybe I have a gallows Humor when it comes to US Federal Government or US Military.
Actually you might not know my posts are anti-War. I don't believe in Foreign Wars over 600 Miles from US Borders. Alaska might be a tricky one or not. I do believe in Defense.
I also believe we have a MIC that profits from Fascism. And I think we have some greedy officers and enlisted types who game the system for furthering their careers.
Is that Offensive to you??
No problem you explaine well
I understand you believe in defense then......which is exactly Russia position in real
Everyone keep in own close sphere much better
Russia does not need these, especially now.
Better for the waters concerned would be really minimum size for craft stability carrying one, maybe two rotorbird capacity.
seems more logical.
But many of them and much faster
Mistral seems more like idea US would have, than Russian logical for efficiency
regarding the Aegis system: I understand that it was quite effective in shooting down commercial air flights like Iran Air 655 over the gulf some years back
Breaking News:
ISIS CIA Radio Flyer Red wagon has lost all four wheels. DHS is in route riding their 16" Original Big Wheel Racer.
...cough... capital of Crimea is Simferopol. Just sayin'... ...cough ...
An interesting article on Angela Merkel in Vanity Fair...
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2015/01/angela-merkel-profile
Interesting. Somehow this reminds me of the USA.
“We are a democracy,” Kurbjuweit says. “Government needs fights and arguments. We have none anymore.”
Maybe since I see the USA as Status Quo Politics. USA is a Right Wing, Military Republic that doesn't use the US Constitution any more, who's Justices receive Gifts from Industry in the form of Seminars for Training, we have Crony Capitalism and more of Inverted Totalitarianism where Corporations/Wealthy tell the government what to do. Our Markets are not really free and our politicians in DC take unlimited Gifts, Lobbyist (even from foreign Agents), and campaign contributions... matter of fact the wealthy can create a 501(c) and have unlimited power to funnel money to DC Politicians.
Maybe it is because I don't think the people have Representation in Congress, a State of Justice, or preservation of the Middle Class.
- Systemic Corruption
- Bank Monopoly in Creating Money
- Debt Based Economy not Consumer Economy
- Systemic Increases in Costs of Health Care & Education
- Systemic Overhang in Tax Liability for Individuals
- Systemic Socializing of Private Corporate Losses
- Biggest Corporations are considered Insiders in Crony Capitalism as they get huge Federal Contracts & Fees
- Systemic Control of Press & Free Speech for Military Purposes such as False Wars and Dirty Wars
But in the USA we don't talk about these things in Public Venues as 9thFloor pointed out over the Weekend. Like we don't talk about these things in US Congressional Political Campaigns, SOTU Address or Presidential Inaugural Addresses.
I guess Angela Merkel can't talk about how Germany is run today by the same people that ran the Fourth Reich.
Frech army surplus: rifles.
"never fired....dropped once"
actually, outside of Paris the French are ok, and the country pretty nice also.
Russia is upgrading their fleet, launching 1-2 new subs almost yearly. They just upgraded some of their missile systems which were already top of the line. The S300 is now the S400 and S500. And so on.
Arrogance and Bravado do not win wars. The longer President Putin puts off being dragged into wars, the more powerful they get, and is exactly why the ussa fascists have united with their little fascist buddies in UKE land to try and provoke Russia now rather than later.
The USS Cook demo (if true) was probably to let the ussa know they are maybe not as defensless as many think.
The ussa needs to stop the empire shit, bring the armies home and take care of our own bees wax.
Finding another habitable planet might be a nice goal as it seems we are doing everything we can to screw up this one.
Russia won't engage NATO without Chinese backing. NATO is going to try to up the atrocities as much as possible in Eastern Ukraine to try to draw Russia in. Ethnic cleansing, firebombing, and mass rapes will likely be employed and kept out of the press.
You don't have to worship Putin or Russia generally to understand that the US/NATO - basically the US, UK, Israel, the weapons manufacturer, oil/gas concerns, and banking families
The Federal Reserve Cartel: The Eight Families | Global ... Who Owns The Federal Reserve? | Global ResearchWhich, hey, sorry, are overwhelmingly Jewish and Zionist - as were almost ALL of the oligarchs who raped Russian wealth under Yeltsin, with Western/international Jewish assistance [these are facts - they're simply not ones one is permitted to say lest powerful people be 'offended' by the truth]
And it's no secret that the neocons, essentially Jewish Likudnik Zionists loyal primarily to an Israel cleansed of its natives are the loudest anti-Putin voices. Russia is less than 0.5% Jewish - the fact almost all the early oligarchs were Jews is not only curious in a sociological sense, but curious in that the disproportionality itself suggests a coordination and rapaciousness evocative of the Bolshevik coup.
That was largely {and perhaps mostly, early on} a Jewish enterprise, too, and also backed by Wall Street.
US Sanctions and Military Encroachments - Global Research
Western sanctions are aimed at regime change in Russia ...You have maybe 300 people, mostly inside the beltway, who, if they disappeared from the face of the earth, would offer a genuine new hope for peace, libertay and trade, for us, for the Russians, for the Palestinians, and the Israelis - hopefully who will vote out their absurdly racist, bathshit crazy government soon.
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rejected
Put a suggestion in the suggestion box. :o)
if you got it flaunt it
....."foreign affairs minister d'Artagnan"
he of the long nose?, or the guy from that movie Roxie, or somethin...
No, it was The Three Mouseketeers.
You were in the Mickey Mouse Club, weren't you?
no holding hands for the sailors boarding the ship unlike the US openly "diverse sexuality" policy.
and for all you military families and your demented offspring volunteering to go in other countries to kill and maim"terrorists" and which are lining up now to junk me.
FUCK YOU,
Two thoughts come to mind regarding this report.
1) The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them -- V. I. Lenin.
2) Okay, we've got the self-destruct system in place, all the electroncs are fully compromised, and the passive spy devices are fully operational. NSA? We're clear for release. MI-6? Quite.
You pays your money and you takes your chances.
Where are these capitalists you mention?
Okay, Russia has the France-destruct lawsuits in place should the goods delivered not match the goods paid for, and all of France's future ship building business has been totally compromised...You plays your renig games you takes your chances too.
The Russians first job: Make sure that doesn't happen. Someday these ships may be docked in a French port, you know, after the war ends.
useless talkings
Lenin was supported by NY bankers
Misleading. He was supported by NY Jewish bankers who were furthering the tribe's objective of taking down the Russian Mionarchy,
Your point is taken.
Actually, I limited truth to prevent overload these ignorants posting with too much reality at once.
Maladets.
A smarter guy than me said "what a shame what they did to the Romanovs".
I don't know Russian History, but the Mensheviks & Bolsheviks, Lenin and Communism had been Democide to the Russian-Eastern Block, Warsaw Pact Countries.
And they had terrible famine after 1920 which Herbert Hoover helped them with by Delivering Food and even organizing the Railroad to deliver the food... by selecting the biggest bad ass to kick ass and get things moving.
relief to famine-stricken Bolshevik-controlled areas of Russia in 1921, ... "Twenty million people are starving. Whatever their politics, they shall be fed!". The Russian famine of 1921–22 claimed 6 million people.[67] ...affected mostly the Volga and Ural River region.[1][2][3]
in the Shadows of Hermes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcAPJ-kn8Vs
read the book
tarabel is snoring. Now she moves her lips.
Dream a little dream of me, babe.
another 'russia {but no one else} is hurting from sanctions {the legality and sanity of which won't be broached} hit piece.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/24/news/economy/russia-losing-140-billion-o...
and once again, it happens to be a Jewish reporter supplying the verbal truthiness.
Putin pissed off th global zionist mtrix something fierce when disgorging the "Russian" {cough cough}oligarchs, eh?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russias-vulnerability-to-eu-us-sanctions-an...
Sorry, I get paid to notice trends - this is a fuckin' trend.
I remember her name as one of the hacks hired to try to attack Sochi. Not sure if she posted any pics of toilets from Austrian motels 'as' "evidence" of how inept and doomd the Olympics were.
Kinda hot, though.
Brings Judith Miller and Iraqi WMDs to mind....
Miller retired from her job at the New York Times in November 2005, fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute. She is currently a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.[5] On December 29, 2010, numerous media outlets reported that she had signed on as a contributing writer to the conservative magazine Newsmax.[6][7]
Doesn't sound like her Career ended at all...
Born in New York City to a Jewish father and an Irish Catholic mother
Looks like a sitting duck to me.
Maybe if a confrontation happened against one of these we could just fly up in a cessna single engine and have a guy throwing gernades out the window. That would probably take this wussy ship down. France isn't working for the Russians, they are working for the U.S. and job well done indeed on making a big bullseye in the ocean.
Hey.
We've got 20 sitting ducks.
We win.
I hope the French or some other party have not been stupid enough to instal a Trojan Horse on board this ship. The consequences to France would be enormous.
If they did, then the Germans prolly did the same with that fleet of submarines it gave to Israel.
I think we should give the Statue of Liberty back to France. Apprarently it means nothing here now as it means nothing there.
Get over it guys. They knew this was bad technology to sell in 2010. BUT It is one big target and has a HUGE radar signature.
Perhaps the French welded a huge explosive charge inside the bulkheads with a satellite tracking and detonation system.
WOW.
It went right down to the wire, didn't it?
sarc/
The French should have told their western 'partners' to go f*ck themselves from the beginning of this issue.
France is practically in receivership.
Seriously, I don't think any of us know the threats Obama made to the EU countries who wanted to bolt.
Lavrov described it as "coercion"
as frog i master subject, russian crew is onboard of 1st boat for WEEKS....
Apologize for my comment below on Seals who would not be used as conventional force as my comment probably indicates by mistake.
Teams of Frogs would have special unique type missions with narrow results, focused actions, and may have big impact on overall national security or war efforts.
As far as I know as a non-expert.
Nothing that can't be fixed by a MK.48 ADCAP.
Perhaps President Obama should consult his defense secretary to fomulate America's response? Oh wait, he just fired him as cover for all the lousy decisions his White House inner circle has made.
Remember Sinatra's version?
life changes. Propaganda is forever.