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Michael Brown's Parents (And Al Sharpton) Address Media: Investigation Was 'Broken' - Live Feed
Having shifted from a call for calm ("we want peace"), to understandably emotionally proclaiming "burn this bitch down," right after the decision last night (noting "profound disappointment"), Michael Brown's parents are preparing to make a statement (along with Al Sharpton)... claiming that the investigation was 'broken' but once again calling for peace.
- *ATTORNEY: 'A FIRST YR LAW STUDENT' WOULD CROSS-EXAMINE BETTER
- *ATTORNEY SAYS: WE OBJECTED TO THIS PROSECUTOR & THIS PROCESS
- *ATTORNEY SAYS: 'WE COULD FORESEE WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE'
- *ATTORNEY SAYS: 'THIS PROCESS IS BROKEN'
- *ATTORNEY: WANTS LAW REQUIRING POLICE TO WEAR BODY CAMERAS
- *GRAY: DECISION `A REFLECTION OF THOSE WHO PRESENTED' THE CASE
Live Feed...
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On Sunday November 23rd the following statement was released by Mike
Brown’s Mom, Lesley McSpadden, and her husband, Louis Head:
However, after the announcement of a non-indictment there was a considerable change in sentiment:
“You motherf**kers think this is a joke” – “Burn this b*tch down”!
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Yeah but that doesn't mean I'm going to indiscrimantely support the dumbest of causes.
Death to all jaywalkers!
Absolutely. I wish more people on this site would look at that, rather than get blinded by the bullshit race antics of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Look at the white kid who allegedly punched a cop in LA and then was subsequently stomped to death by 6 officers. Or how about the two hispanic ladies in LA who had their truck riddlded with 100 bullets by cops because the cops "thought" they may have seen that lunatic who was hiding in Big Bear. The cops will kill you for very little reason, no matter your skin color. The fact that this guy wasnt even indicted is hilarious. If you or I killed anyone, under ANY circumstances, we would be indicted 99.9% of the time. "New York will indict a ham sandwich if that's what you want them to do." Rules are for us, not for them
Lookit all the black-on-white crime the Ziomedia never reports on.
These feral beasts roam the hood at will.
True to their nature, they only attack when they have superior numbers or have the element of surprise.
Arm yourselves against these sub human beasts.
If you are so superior Lakecity then why do you come across so inferior? You need to overcome that battle or complex within yourself.
African Americans are 12% of the population in the U.S. and commit almost 70% of the violent crimes. The media never talks about it but sooner or later this taboo will have to be broken.
Look, I have no love for darky, believe me. BUT, what bothers me more than darky killing people, which doesnt really affect me, is the fact that the justice system, which can affect me greatly, does whatever the fuck it wants. A cop kills a kid rather than arrest him and give him his day in court, and doesnt even get indicted. The justice system failed miserably on both sides of the coin. If you think that black people are a greater threat to you than the heinously corrupt justice system, which is in alliance with the banskter/politcal class, you havent been reading this site very closely.
He sees the fact that the US has the largest % of its own people incarcerated than any other country in history as a good thing. What he doesn't realize is that when they run out of black people to lock up, they will come for Bubba next.
I don't think much about "race relations" in the USA, but any time someone goes after a cop's sidearm, he is in fact begging to get shot.
If that's how you feel, why do the majority of your comments make this about race?
Quote me on one comment where I made it about race, go ahead
even if such a luminary as jesus christ himself fucked just one goat, that still makes him a goat fucker.
i cant say what i think about all this, because it might be used against me someday and i wont post it online
That's a good little sheeple......
im not an al sharpton fan. this screen name is my real name. my opinions are harsh. im smart enough to know when to keep my mouth shut and i don't hide behind anonymity.
using an insult (little sheeple) makes me think you want conflict no matter what the topic
It is a crime against humanity to self censor in order to placate evil, however feel free to carry on as you see fit....
Suggestion: stock up on lube, you'll need it
Oh no! Her hair caught fire!
Must have gotten too close to the flames last night.
Will they be selling T-shirts with trademarked slogans too?
Hope not.
Last time they did....metal pipes and heads collided between thug family members fighting over royalties n' shit.
And to think they called da raciss po po for help in stopping the family assault.
THUG Black males do not like black males or anyone else. They are filled with a sense of entitlement and they propagate the problem. STOP sprinkling babies out from multiple women. STOP and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
This is a BLACK problem, YOU clean up your mess.
For good upstanding men (regardless of color) I support and WE must stand together against institutional stupidity.
Sorry, YT is not responsible for the bad decisions of the Chimpout crowd.
Surveillance. We need more surveillance to fix this.
*ATTORNEY: WANTS LAW REQUIRING POLICE TO WEAR BODY CAMERAS
That's not necessarily a bad thing. If they are required to wear them, and they do not or the tape of your arrest/investigation is "missing," then you get a spoliation instruction and walk... Many police departments are going to body cams because it protects the officers from frivolous suit, e.g. claims of sexual abuse, verbal abuse, physical abuse, etc. Generally speaking, if a cop testifies, everyone tends to believe the cop. However, if there is a videotape of the incident, then the tape will become the authority. This is also why many citizens choose to record the police during traffic stops, etc.
I'm not sure this is the kind of surveillance of which you should be afraid... If you want to talk about something to be afraid of, then you might start with the FAA's no fly zone over the town.
So sometimes it is okay to incite a riot and burn shit down. I would like to know the official rules on this as I have things I would like to burn too......
All I know is this. I am a white man in America. I have grown sons. I would not want to wake up tomorrow and be black. I would not want my sons to wake up tomorrow and be black.
I would like to hear from any other white man in America who would feel different than me.
what if you could wake up as President?
Your sons will have no chance of dating a Kardashian...
Your sons will have no chance of dating a Kardashian...
Then you probably wouldnt know you had sons, or would never have met them..... If you can fill out a college application (albeit with help, free education), want a house, no credit no problem, car, same shit. How about a job, that you cant be fired from, we got thats too..... Wanna be president some day... welll............................... Damn shame you are ashamed of your race.
You ask you have been told.
Tabaklover, Like I told my local Police Chief awhile back: I don't necessarily need police, what I need is immunity from criminal and civil prosecution.
It might be fun for a week or two.
Why do I question their ability to make an intelligent analysis of the facts?
I must be rayciss.
Fuck these people, Like I give two shits what they think.
Your boy fucked up, made dumb decisions and paid the price, most stupid decisions don't end in death. This one did.
Sorry for your luck.
Don't wanna be targetted as a thug and have to deal with cops all the time then don't do thuggy shit and don't be where cops are going to be.
If the shoe were on the other foot, and the cop were dead, they'd want their son to get off without justice being done.
Regardless of the facts.
sounds kinda like a two way street...
that cars really only drive one way on
Don't steal cigars.
Lets turn the focus back to the parents for raising such a piece of shit...where is the accountability? Now they are the leaders and voice of a empty revolution.
STFU Sharpton you race baiting asshole! Mike Brown was a thug and you can't do shit about it. The FEDS will not do anything to Darren Wilson.
Al Sharpton was and still is a thug.
That “comment” had one too many three syllable words to be believable.
Regardless of how one feels regarding the actual event, the process was corrupted.
A trial was conducted in front of a Grand Jury.
This is not the spark of a revolution, this is a civil disturbance. When people burn down a pizza restaurant, auto parts store and loot a few retailers this is the act of criminal idiots creating a civil disturbance. Call me when they torch a few banks, government buildings and publish a manifesto, until then, fuck them!
In a revolution, the "leaders" are paraded out into the town square after their palaces and ministries are attacked and looted, then summarily "tried" as per the reading of political diatribe, and executed.
Hmmm.... Don't see that happenn' here.
Correct. This is pure and simple rioting.
And yes, why do I wonder why "intelligent" being like Al Sharpton cannot see this and help out constructively?
Oh well, he's good for another nights rioting.
I'm glad this is just senseless black rioting and not the first signs of revolution. I don't want the pending revolution's message to get conflated with this nonsense.
If this kicked off a revolution, it would be far too easy for TPTB to marginalize the whole thing and squash it.
When the uprising comes, the message needs to be very clear.... and I think the best way to send that message would be some public lynchings of powerful "elites" (wall street powerbrokers, politicians, lobbyists, etc, etc).
Pizza restaurants and auto parts stores dont have goons armed with sniper rifles atop them. But I agree with your sentiment, this shit is meaningless and stupid.
At the risk of being horribly insensitive at a time of personal sadness for the Brown family and their friends, I really don't think the black community does any favours for itself by appearing on the media with these schizoid messages: "My wife and I want peaceful protest" - "Burn this bitch down". I guess different people mourn their loss in different ways, but I just can't relate to any of this at all.
So how do we know who the real father is?
Two years of mandatory service in the Armed Forces right out of High School for every Son and Daughter would help to end the Higher Education Dream Factory student loan debt bubble, stop foreign entanglements to benefit the M.I.C., and keep kids like Brown off the street until they wore off some hormones and grew up a little.
It would be money well spent versus bailing out and juicing the parasitic corporatocracy that off-shores productive capacity and career employment.
If every Son and Daughter would soon be called, or was on active duty, or could easily be recalled - the call to war and imperialist adventures overseas would be much harder to make.
The kleptoligarchy has created lost generations of under-employed or unemployed youth who, with nothing better to do, clash with law enforcement. The suffering and strife become mired and lost in race-baiting, generation-baiting, and the false left/right paradigm - so that the real enemies of a just and moral society are never seen.
The militarization of police forces and war for profit are furthered using fear, division, obfuscation, and distraction.
The drumbeat of consumptive materialism and juvenile narcissism as the rhythm of society further fuels the fire.
Eb you know that I respect you greatly. I think you are moar than a little off here though and I want you to know. I can not go with your mandatory armed services idea no matter how highly esteemed I regard you to be. Therefore, I respectfully request that you reconsider what you posted regarding mandatory service to the state. This notion violates everything that we represent.
Your idea will not work because it is simply more of the same. I have known who you are for seven years, all the way back to marketwatch days, but I did not expect you to say what you did here. You may want to clarify what you meant by what you said. Perhaps I misunderstood something.
Thanks Manipuflation.
I know, sounds odd, but if every Son and Daughter put in two years, got some training, maybe some actual education about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights...imagine how much harder it would be for the M.I.C. and the Kleptoligarchy to pursue pointless wars and for the kleptoligarchy to take away our liberties.
Rather than having a generation of consumptive robots and Parents who think a college degree is a pathway to success while waving the flag at every beat of the war drum we might have a populace that questions government and foreign entanglements.
It is kind of counter-intuitive but look at how Vietnam fell apart and the military move to voluntary service after that. I don't believe we would have gone into Iraq and Afghanistan so quickly if a draft was still in effect, which is why IMHO they got rid of it.
I'm thinking the model of Swizterland where after initial training and service military members are required to have their weapons at home and ready. I'm a 2nd Amendment advocate, and see no reason that citizens should not be allowed to possess the rifle and sidearm used by the armed forces.
With a few trained, educated, and armed generations of Sons and Daughters the "divide and conquer" modus operandi of the M.I.C. and the Kleptoligarchy would be a more difficult task.
OK, I see where you are coming from now EB. You are one of the old timers from before ZH existed so you have earned my respect.(not that repsect is redeemable for cash)
I will be honest with you: I do not like the idea of a state at all. Why should I? Words can hurt far worse than guns do. I happen to know at least 25 to 3000 English words. I have been of the opinion that you can write them into pieces. However, that has never worked in the past so I admit that I am a fool for trying. There was one thing that I noticed last night. That is all the cops have? Really? CNN dragged us right-wingers into the picture because they could not resist. There were no right-wingers and that mess.
Did we not learn our lessons in Vietnam, Iraq and Aghanistan? I guess not but I think some soldiers did learn. I know how to beat them if they are going to stand in the street like that. I really hope that they don't think their gear will stop much of anything.
EB, I do not want to send my children to be cannon fodder for the state. I can't trust the state. These children already are learning how to shoot. I bought for them a small .22 Ruger Charger and I bought it with silver. Well, the kids like it. Is is not my responsibility to teach them how a gun works and to strive for accuracy? No, that is all me. I enjoy your posts EB but in this case you were calling for my children to have someone elee do what I should do. I would rather teach my own children.
For anybody who thinks that EB is not my friend you would be incorrect. EB is a great guy.
I agree with EB. You say, "EB, I do not want to send my children to be cannon fodder for the state." No one does, but most of us do little to stop other people's children from becoming fodder and that needs to change. It would change if everyone's child were at risk, rather than just the poor and uninformed.
I am not sure sure why you plussed for that comment but it obvious that you did so. I am not having fight club with EB because AS I FUCKING SAID, EB is someone I respect and have blogged with for many years. In other words EB is still going to be my friend even if we agree to disagree.
On the other hand, we have you. Who the hell are you? You are saying that I do not know anything? You do not talk about my children as though you own them because I will rip your throat right out. MY children are MY children and I WILL DECIDE how to raise them and what values I will intstill in them. Ultimately, they will they will make their own decisions and not be an apparatus of the state.
That is all I was saying and if that is a problem then there really is a serious problem because it means that you are sucking the cocks of the bankers.
Not sure why your panties are in a wad, but comprehension is obviously not your strong point. Stick to talking to your friends, they'll be more tolerant of your ignorance. You would need a lot more brain cells for me to even take you seriously.
As far as who I am, are you daft? This is the fucking internet you dolt, not your front porch. Since you feel the need to be rude to me when I was not to you, fuck you and your kids too! What fucking values? You just admitted you don't want your kids to fight, but you seem perfectly fine with benefiting from other people's kids bleeding, so you are teaching them to be pussies.
The point, which sailed over your pea brain, is if everyone's child was at risk, there would be no more banker oil oligarch wars because people would be up in arms protesting. Unless you are, you are nothing more than a hypocrite. I don't know who up voted you, but it wasn't me, probably one of your friends blowing sunshine up your ass. Honestly, I thought you were senile and now I am certain of it.
Thanks again Manipuflation. Respect to you for the thoughts and spending time with your kids and teaching them.
I don't like the state either, just trying to think of a way that it can be changed/improved. I see your point, don't want my kids to be cannon fodder either.
I suppose the root causes of most of our problems could be traced back to families - or a lack thereof - and kids not getting a good/proper upbringing and a sense or ethics and morality. I have no idea how to solve that one, other than doing what you are doing; being there as a Parent. ^5
I'd have no problem with mandatory military service, if the country doing the mandate was one that I gave a shit about.
One word for Mama Brown. You raised a bad kid, lady. That confrontation with Wilson was only going to have one of two endings: either your kid was going to be arrested or stopped, or your kid was going to get a needle in his arm after spending 20 years on death row. One of those people was going to die, and your kid made that decision, not the cop. You may have gotten the best deal your kid offered up.
Exactly.
That kid made many mnay choices.
None of 'em good.
Ah, the new Amurika. Where bad choices lead to violent death, justifiably no less. Stay tuned for more of this
I think neighborhoods such as Ferguson should ONLY have black police. That takes the race card out of the picture. Short of that - perhaps the community leaders should get the chance to screen/approve their police force. Wasn't the national guard supposed to be in place ? How can all that destrcution take place with the national guard on scene ?
"Dat's right. mizz 'spadden, I gets 20% of T-shirt sales."
"Where do I sign, Rev?"
"Right here."
Where are the parents statements? All I got were lawyers trying to race bait. Imo the Rev. Al Sharpton is a fraud and needs a parish if he is to believed to be a man of peaceful protest.
Btw you know things are messed up when president Obama uses the Rev. Al Sharpton's advice on who he should nominate as the next Attorney General of the US.
This article serves no purpose other than point out that there will always be "journalists" who can get griefful people to grief and act irrationally in front of cameras.
Also scumsucking paracites like "al Sharpton will work with "journalists" to inflame emotional people who are looking for a place to offload their blame.
This was like a modern day version of Steinbeck's, "Of Mice and Men".
If the family wants to get mad at anyone, get mad at the creep who used their son for muscle.
"Burn this bitch down." You know, inciting a riot is a crime in and of itself, and if someone gets killed during the riot.... Just sayin'.
Yup, charge them with inciting a riot, then there's this.
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Diedhttp://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/25/report-body-of-black-male-found-s...
Yes but OBAMA does not enforce the laws on the books ... therefore its not a crime ( no conviction, ever )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ
Sharpton et al are masters at manipulation and race baiting
I hope you have some time to read these testimonies. What they say is incredible - not in regards to what they witnessed, but to the mentality of the neighborhood. How neighbors immediately came out and started threatening witnesses not to tell the truth - not to be a snitch. they talk about the drugs, the unemployment, and the gang mentality.
In particular you need to read Witness 10 and and Witness 12 #2. Amazing stuff
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Many of us are still upset by the biased, condescending, elitist, opinion Mr. Gruber had about the ACA and American citizens.
How he broad brushed people with his elite contempt... calling them stupid?
This Gruber fellow - who has a biased, condescending, elitist opinion of people.
This Gruber fellow who broad brushes people with the idea he's elite and holds contempt for others needs to rethink some things.
Gruber.
Friendly Tips
1. Do not be black
2. IF you must be black act as white as you can.
3. See #1.
If black do not steal, assault, and attempt to pull a cops gun from him.
Who pays for Sharpton to fly around like this? Is he using Air Force 2 when Michelle isn't on perma-holiday?
So what is this serving to distract from?
- More genocide in Ukraine?
- More genocide in Gaza?
- More bailouts?
GATA be something that this is serving as a distraction to as it really is about as meaningless as it gets. Gangbanger robs store>gangbanger flees>gangbanger assaults policeman>gangbanger dies. What's not so clear?
It's hiding the police state with racism, sad that it was way too easy for them.
can someone answer this: photos showing where Brown supposedly hit the cop show a red mark on the right side of the cop's face. seems to me that if the cop is sitting in the driber's seat it would be tough to hit him on the right side especially assuming Brown was right handed.
sorry, meant to write driver's seat
How do you come to that conclusion? If you're in the driver's seat (the seat on the left) then the RIGHT side of your face would be exposed, via the gap between the driver's and passenger's seats. If you're sitting behind the driver, you would have to use your right hand to punch between the seats and hit the driver on the right side of his face.
Except the cop said Michael brown was outside of the car....
The right side of your face is in no way exposed.
think through what you wrote, it makes no sense in this vase
You want me to make a YouTube video for you and show you?
Again, if you're in the driver's seat, with your left side against the door/window, then your right side is the side that's exposed. You can get punched from behind through the relatively large gap between the driver's side seat and the passenger's side seat. If the puncher is right handed, he will punch through the area between the two front seats and hit the driver on the right side of his face.
Edit: didn't realize we were talking about Brown hitting the officer from outside of the vehicle.
In that case, I don't know. His head was turned left to face Brown so that his left side was against the headrest and his right side was exposed? Brown then landed a hit on Wilson's exposed right side with his left fist? I mean honestly this could have happened any number of ways.
Math and logic must not be your strong suit, if you are in the driver's seat, your head is turned left and against the head rest. Your right side faces the windshield of your car and is exposed.
I guess the same way you can punch someone while at the same time holding a handful of cigars.
"Burn this bitch down" can be interpreted in so many different ways... Why take it literally?!
it could be a very good thing if they are talking about the FED BANK ... !
Last night after airing a clip of Obongo's speech on Ferguson the reporter noted a Federal Civil Rights investigation of Wilson continues.
The hatred of the white race is pervasive among all other racial/ethnic groups and the efforts to destroy the race that invented just about EVERYTHING that makes life better are unrelenting. Now don't expect Fox news to tell you that, or Rush Limbaugh. They are frontmen for the gang who is behind it.
By the way the word "RACIST" was coined by Bolshevik mass-murderer, Leon Trotsky (true name Bronstein)
The most terrifying part of all this is that some school actually 'Graduated' MB!
Black people's version: this INNOCENT kid was walking down the sidewalk and a racist, white, pig-cop CAPPED his ass for NO reason... Do African-Americans realize how foolish they look with their take on this PARTICULAR incident?
Of course it is broken because there is just NO WAY our thug waste of a human being kid could have ever messed with a cop and got shot as the cop acted in self defense. JUST NO WAY because hey, he was black so that means he was a choir boy.\
Fuck human beings. The species needs to be wiped off the planet.
The only think "broken" in this whole mess is these two loser's epic fail at parenting. Had they even come close to fulfilling their responsibily as such, they might have produced a functioning member of society instead of a thug and criminal who, by his actions alone, has caused countless lives (that had no fault in any of this) to be turned upside down. At the top of that list being the cop and his family, followed closely by the other emergency services personel who have now spent many nights in harms way. Last, but not least, the owners and employees of the looted, burned and damaged businesses and other properties in that shithole know os Ferguson, MO.
Very civilised woman Mrs. Brown
Nice vocabulary...
It would behoove some of you mouth breathers to read a transcript of the grand jury testimony of the police officer. Read it. And try to figure out if the person questioning him is the prosecutor or his defense attorney.
I've never seen a prosecutor lay down like that. In a hearing to establish probable cause.
Did they find these mysterious cigarillos yet? Because the officer testified he saw them on Michael brown.
Or maybe someone can explain how the guy has a "bruise" on the right side of his face when he claims Michael brown punched him on the left side of his face. Those are pretty serious blows. He also got a fat lip. The next blow could have been fatal!
Or maybe we can talk about how this officer got blood on his hands.
Or maybe how the second thing he did was call his union lawyer at FOP.
Or how in the balls someone can reach into your TAHOE hold your left arm, reach for your gun, and you not simply twist away from him. Perhaps he was temporarily paralyzed. I know! A prosecutor could have asked these questions! In like an investigation of some sort that would have gotten to bottom of this and at least tried to match up this pig lawyers' story.
totally agree with you
shoulda called his union lawyer first
He washed the blood off his hands first. The prosecutor left that at one question. The cop said he didn't know how that got there
Start reading here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Cudos to Maplehood.
punching all the while holding these said cigarillos, the cop's story is ludicrous, but none of these racists bothered to actually read
you really believe that shit dontcha boy
I've seen cops lie on the stand first hand, you are the one buying into bullshit. Support the state, see where it gets you. Maybe Obama will give you a brownie point or two and you can brag to your friends.
Any person getting killed by the police is beyond words.
The "truth" in this case however is this was a 6'5" 300lbs adult at least minimally charging an armed cop after he was documented to have battered a local business owner and stole some food.
The bigger issue here is the failing economic and edcuation prospects for Blacks (everyone) in America.
But you would hear Obama or the banker media talk about poverty, jobs, etc.
Any circumstance in which blacks are somehow marginalized would be entirely self-inflicted. They are a federally protected class. If they want to wallow in thier own filth and poverty, then it is purely by choice---their choice.
I wish someone could "Carrie" Sharpton with an overhead bucket of pigshit.
How dare you suggest defiling pigshit in such a manner!
Once again, race pimp Twana Sharpton injects himself into the situation for his own self-seeking purposes. What have guys like him done for the black community ever, besides sowing the seeds of discontent and racial division? What? Somebody tell me anything positive this asshat has done? [crickets]
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Al "Race Baitin" Sharpton. Go crawl off and die already.
Thought Wilson had a blown out orbital socket???
Arrest the parents and charge them with domestic terrorism. If this isn't terrorism then someone needs to explain what is. And round up those monkeys who've gone ape and charge them all to. May the words "INDEFINITE DETENTION" ring lound and clear.
Just like any other ambulance chasing blood sucker, that race pimp Sharpton rushes right in to ensure that the flame of racial hatred gets fanned just right...
Forget about the facts, and forensic, one of the leading members of the party of SCIENCE! rejects completely multiple eyewitness testimony that, astoundingly, corroborates the suggestion of forensic pathology...
No matter that the kid was a thugging waste of life. That's the norm these days.
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all of your comments. You all are each priceless treasures, for your own special reasons. I am thankful that I do not know some of you in real life, or I would probably be in jail right now.
America: Home of the Freebie!
Mama Bear, in that vid, is clearly under the influence, like most of the crowd. There were, to my eyes, many tell tails which spoke to the gathered crowd's inclinations. Call it a "lynching" in reverse. I find it quite fitting that the Sunday statement released by Louis on behalf of whatshername stood no chance of being written by either. The gathering recorded in the vid had more characteristics of Orwell's 'hate' scene then were comfortable.