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Russia's Patience Is Wearing Thin
Submitted by Chris Martenson Via Peak Prosperity,
Having lived in the former USSR before immigrating to the US, Dmitry Orlov has an invaluable perspective on both the US and Russian perspectives, as well as Ukraine.
With the western propaganda flying thick and heavy, it's more important than ever to cut through the chaff and learn what we can about the most important geopolitical realignment (and renewed tensions) in recent memory.
Well, look, Russia is a place that's extremely dynamic as changing response to challenging environment, to changed environment, very popular throughout the world, at peace with most of the world, even with nations that are at war with each other, both sides will still talk to Russia and have friendly relations. Russia has a splendid relationship with both Israel and Iran for instance.
The United States is a nation that can't get anything together, can't get anything on, not education, not healthcare, nothing. It's basically sinking into a cesspool of its own making it can't respond at all. And now, it is basically being shown up to be quite incompetent in playing this international game. Now, what happens if you can't play a game by the rules is you're penalized and you forfeit the game. So, either the US leadership will learn how to play by the rules or they forfeit. I see those are as the only two real outcomes.
There's a difference to how the Russians approach the world and how the Americans approach the world. So, for instance, Americans like to threaten. If you don't do this, then we will do X, Y and Z. That's a typical American behavior.
That's not something that the Russians would ever do because they don't threaten, they just act because if you threaten, then you take away the element of surprise which is very important. The other thing is Americans refuse to talk to their enemies, they won't negotiate with terrorists, they won't do X, Y and Z and can't be reasoned with at all. You can just listen to them and do what they say or they'll bomb you whereas the Russians always talk to their enemies. Russia keeps the channels of communication open.
And the other thing is that all of this endless trash talking is very detrimental to the business of democracy and there's been a constant stream of basically garbage emanating from the west, some of it social media, some of it through the old fashioned press. But, just basically all kinds of lies and disinformation and slander, which makes the tedious business of diplomacy establishing various links at various levels very difficult, if not impossible. So there's just this incredible level of disgust with their, as they say, partners in the west in Moscow and the result is they're not really eager to talk anymore. They're not very interested in communicating. They're far more interested in acting. So, what we'll probably see is a constant stream of surprises coming from Russia that will be completely unannounced and not predicted by anyone.
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The global economy is in the toilet.
The American economy is in the toilet
The yen is in the toilet
The euro is in the toilet
The pound is in the toilet
The American natonal debt will hit $18 trillion when i press the save button for this comment.
Here I go.......
No other currency has lost as much as Russia's ruble has in 2014, and no other economy has seen its primary export depreciate in price by as much as poor, miserable Russia's.
He needs you to help save his shrinking currency fund - quick, send him your dollars, Bob!
Nothing doing.
You never quantified the size of the toilet load.
It's too late now.
It stinks, but we don't dare flush because all of that cr*p will end up on the floor. Ewwwww
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Vlad is playing ice hockey right now
http://en.itar-tass.com/sports/764297
sometimes I think you're a moron
Bob, I wouldn't have it any other way. Perhaps you and several other like-minded Zero Hedgers can go in together on a 100-IQ brain?
Only sometimes?
Since you're such a stud why not take your own advice? Just make sure the gopros are rolling so we can all have a laugh.
Someone needs to take out Putin before he nukes somebody.
I like many things about the Russian people and culture.
But it's a failed empire.
Become an petro-oligarchy.
Losing patience?
And so?
re Russia's Patience Is Wearing Thin...
I'd think anyone with a shred of decency is losing patience with ZIO-Thug USSA
When you are truly exceptional, there is no reason to reason with people or to compromise. Whack them, take what you want, and let them deal with it.
"Ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" When i heard JFK, i thought "That's a complete turnaround from the cult of the individual" Why would i ever consider doing something for this thing called my 'country'..there is no 'country' other than its individual people'....hell, the couuntry should be organized to do something for me ...
Im tired of the name calling that replaces thought. I myself consider 'Communism' as a political doctrine, much like democracy, fuadalism or facism. I consider 'Socialism' as an economic doctrine, much like capitalism, market socialism etc.
But there is no such thing as 'Capitalism' ...only a cloud of policies, habits, institutions etc that generally can be grouped as being 'capitalistic' in nature.
Surely this current version of 'Capitalism' seen in the west today has very little facimile to the Walt Disney world of 'you puts down your two bits and you takes your chances" ....frankly, i've learned more about facism from the well thought out arguments of ZH'ers, rather than the mud slingers. If all one can say is "You're a communist!" .....all i can say is "You're a simpleton" ....just sayin.
I am amazed that modern fascist (merger of corporate monopoly with government) in Washington spend $22 BILLION a year to propagandize and brainwash Americans into thinking that we are a capitalist nation that flourishes in democracy (government of, for and by the People) and are spreading democracy thoughout the world with never ending war to liberate the People from Evil. Ha. Ha. Ha.
The reason the fascist spend 22 billion a year to propagandize and brainwash Americans is because the American Free Enterprise System (free from corporate monopoly) of Capitalism, our American Democracy and American Rule of Law have been overthrown and replaced with the fascist multinational corporate monopoly-- Washington Fascist Global Empire.
You can still see today the last remains of the doomed American Main Street Capitalism and the destruction of the middle class wealth by the Washington Fascist Global Empire.
The terms “Free Market” and “Free Trade” are not capitalism and democracy as you may have been brainwashed to think, but rather, corporate monopoly fascist that are FREE (no restraint) to steal whatever they want, from whomever they want and do it legally with fascist secret trade agreements. The Fascist American Dollar is backed by military force, we have over 1,000 military posts in the world; Fascist Empire is never ending WAR.
Everytime intelligent people use the word Capitalism to describe, Free Trade, Free Markets and Fascist Corporate Monopoly Global Empire, instead of the Free Enterprise System of Capitalism and Fair Trade, they are unjust to themselves and their readers; refuse to be brainwashed.
"Browns Bottom" mean anything
your not talkn about 'wind catcher' are you?
If Shakespeare put a thought in a way you particularly like, there is good reason to quote it. The same is true of the Bible. It did not become the most widely read book in world history for lack of literary merit.
I want more negahits on that previous comment of mine.
I'm taking a census of dull witted Christian haters.
America is the worst form of superpower, except for all the others which have been tried.
Just like all others.
Dear Good people of the world, most especially the smart and aware folks, greetings and salutations in the name of Love.
From the Heart of America, we humbly beg you to forgive us the real average American people that truly understand how much pain and anguish is in your suffering that has happened because of our govt. Please accept our deepest sympathies and regrets for this evil run amok in your countries.
The sad truth is, we no longer have any control over the govt and what it does to people and their lands in other parts of the world. We lost all representation in the US govt when the voting machines were created and it became more profitable to represent the globalist war making agendas, rather than the voices of the peace loving real American People.
Oh please forgive us the majority of good Americans for the sins and evil our govt has committed against you. Clearly, it is the bankster rothchilds that owns them all, and who has us all fighting each other so THEY can profit. The flag they hide behind truly has a zionist face on it. The real enemy is their god-money and the deli-god, satan. The war on terror is being fomented and propagated by those who profit from war and create the terrorists to be the active players in the age old Hegelian Dialectic.
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm
Please forgive the people of America, for they have fallen under satans snake like stare and no longer have any control over the news media. It is ALL govt propaganda and lies to support the Military Industrial Complex that is owned by the rothschild bankster industry.
Everybody who is awake to this evil understands that this is our common enemy. Only the oil oligarchs and banksters under their god money and power that is ego run wild in the hands of real evil satanic deviltry, are the world's peoples real enemies. They come in many colors, and cute little suits.
As most know, a tree is known by it's fruit. Most people world-wide can get along fine without the govt puppets that work for the rothschild puppets. The world's people can all live without the zionist banksters that profit from oil, others resources and more so, WAR! The banksters steal from other countries using US govt armed forces as their paid mercenaries. NO ONE in America supports the troops any more. The US armed forces are NOT protecting the People of the USA, they are ONLY more puppets for the rothschild empire of dust. The American govt and the zionists in israel are more responsible for terrorism, murder, mayhem, and war for their masters the rothchilds and rockefellers, than any other country in the world. Everybody knows this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27HRNm_r4U
The agendas of the globalists are to profit from wars and destruction, and then to kill every man, woman, and child on the planet so they can live happily-ever-after underground for a thousand years, later to emerge as the planets owners and new masters. Sound familiar?
Same old conquer the world and profit from it but in truth, a population reduction and soon complete world population elimination as planned and orchestrated for centuries to complete as the FINAL SOLUTION. The stupid blind mice keep following the sheep that are following the wolves that are following the things that are leading them all to their deaths and banquets of evil that takes great delight in the wickedness of the savage bloody murder, and the horrid mind boggling killing. What evil indeed possesses a mentally conscious being, and then rationally convinces the heart to commit such horrendous evil murderous atrocities in a civilized world of supposed intelligent beings? If it is not Love, what is it?
When this world's story is written in the far future by those who might remember it and know the truth, it will say that it was really all about evil, verses Love. One god is evil, the other is Love and every soul knows the difference. Denial is rampant amongst the american people because they do not know any better. They are all mind-controlled by the mass media, or what many call the lame stream media of lies and dis-information. Forgive us please, we have no control over the bias-zionist lame-stream-media whores and those ugly-liars that spew their trashy lies and war propaganda. We have no control over the ugly politicians that produce the lies and dis/mis-information either. They DO NOT represent the Heart of America. Sadly, it is what most americans only know. If they say on the Television main stream news that the sky is pink, most americans will believe them. The real truth finds a hard time breaking down the walls of many years of this kind of TV-Drug conditioning, and the insane outlandish ignorance.
Please, dear World's People, please forgive the ignorant and dumbed down for slaughter american people. They are too stupid and drugged out to ever learn any better. They teach the american children to be good slaves and followers of the deceiving devilish wolves, rather than to be leaders and thinkers that follow their hearts. The banksters control them all using the out of control intelligence agencies, and a CELL PHONE (Eye of Evil). They use satellites or drones that do the surveillance and murders for the evil rothschild empire of dust.
The american govt is in league and conspiracy with the other rouge evil govts. They are all out of control rothchild PUPPETS playing the world's people into a mass extinction war game for the profits of the very few. THEM! The rothchilds. The rest are going to be used for cannon fodder and then, they will be slaughtered also. If you are not a rothchild or rockfeller, you will be slaughtered after you are all used up and discarded into the wastebasket of humanity. Killed for more profits also. All human beings are just pieces on a game board for the rothchild banksters to play against each other for more war profits. More deaths. More mercenaries taking small country resources so the bankster war-makers can profit even more. No one can stop them in america, unless they want to face the new military armed Nazi Empire of killers and former murderous soldiers that have been conditioned to kill in Iraq. They too, are dying because of what the govt did to most of them and are too stupid to realize it. The American Military continues to march off the cliff “just taking orders sir” in droves, dying as planned.
When more of the rothschild/rockfeller world wars for conquest are started by zio-isreal for which they were solely created, or the out of control american leadership who no one really supports, (no fault of the Real American People), there will be no one left to protect the very thing they all swear they will protect. The American People, and the Law of the Land. The american military forces will all be gone and as planned, others will take their lands and families.
All as well planned for centuries. Simply read all of the Protocols pf the Learned Elders of Zion, or the PNAC, or the NAU or worse, AGENDA -21 documents of the globalist rockfeller/rothchild UN/IMF/WB puppets. It has all been given to the world many times, and yet many still choose to live in denial and ignorance. The REAL AMERICAN PEOPLE know that ignorance is a huge sin to God. We call the Real God, Love. Pretty simple. God is Love. If it is not Love, what is it?
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
http://americanpolicy.org/agenda21/
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NAUArticles.html
Please pass this note to the worlds people and ask that they forgive the USA people also, for we have no control over that which this out-of-control leadership that all profit from war does. We cannot know what the evil rothchild puppets are going to do next to cause yet more war, chaos, or a false flag event to blame on some poor country, or other innocents again to use as another excuse to instigate the larger world war for the zionist bankster industry of war and world domination.
WE THE REAL AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF WAR!!!
The Real American People do not want any war with any one any more. Period! We can all learn to live together. There is plenty to share, if it is all taken back from the banksters that want to kill us all. Once again, please dear world's people, please forgive us all here in America, or what is left of it in the growing socialist/nazi/fascist/globalist empire of rothschild, for we are not in control of the war loving political puppets. The rothchilds are. The american govt does not do what the People want them to do. They will not stop the creation of mccains terrorists to go and kill later so someone can profit from it. We do not support this american regime of banksters and wall street puppets for the rothchild empire of dust.
Please forgive us and understand that some day they will make the mistake of getting all of Real American People really angry, and then they will all take back the govt and give it to those who will live by the foundations upon which America was founded. Peace, Tranquility, Trust, Freedom, Truth, Brotherhood, Love, and the Common Law. Let the Highest of all Laws always be God's Laws. Always listen to that still small voice within you. Let the Law of Love rule each one's own heart. Forgiveness like charity, begins at home. Home is where the Heart is.
May we all pray for a peaceful Christmas for the whole world to relax and enjoy as much as possible in the short life we all may have left to do it in. Ask the rothchilds to not start a world war, or to sponsor another stupid terrorist act like 9/11 in their game of world population domination, control, or any other kind of warmongering for profits.
Just say, Shalom!
Selah.
Let me recommend that you read Solzhenitsyn's 'Gulag Archipelago' before you start apologizing to Vlad. On the other hand I agree that American foreign policy is a disaster, however, I can come up with a more focused group of people to apologize to than "the world."
What has to do with President Putin?
Solzhenitsyn knew the enemy:
"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians.
They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and
slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of remorse....
More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes ate their bloodstained hands than any
people ever suffered in the entirety of human history.
It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time.
The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof
that the global media is in the hands of its perpetrators"
Solzhenitsyn summed it up with this, which you seem to be ignorant of:
Book 1, Chapter 4, “The Gulag Archipelago”
"Here is a riddle not for us contemporaries to figure out: Why
is Germany allowed to punish its evildoers and Russia is not? What
kind of disastrous path lies ahead of us if we do not have the chance to purge ourselves of that putrefaction rotting inside our body? What, then, can Russia teach the world?
In the German trials an astonishing phenomenon takes place from
time to time. The defendant clasps his head in his hands, refuses to make any defense, and from then on asks no concessions from the court. He says that the presentation of his crimes, revived and once again confronting him, has filled him with revulsion and he no longer wants to live.
That is the ultimate height a trial can attain: when evil is so utterly condemned that even the criminal is revolted by it. A country which has condemned evil 86,000 times from the rostrum of a court and irrevocably condemned it in literature and among its young people, year by year, step by step, is purged of it.
What are we to do? Someday our descendants will describe our several generations as generations of driveling do-nothings. First we submissively allowed them to massacre us by the millions, and then with devoted concern we tended the murderers in their prosperous old age.
What are we to do if the great Russian tradition of penitence is incomprehensible and absurd to them? What are we to do if the animal terror of hearing even one-hundredth part of all they subjected others to outweighs in their hearts any inclination to justice? If they cling greedily to the harvest of benefits they have watered with the blood of those who perished?
It is clear enough that those men who turned the handle of the meat grinder even as late as 1937 are no longer young. They are fifty to eighty years old. They have lived the best years of their ives prosperously, well-nourished and comfortable, so that it is too late for any kind of equal retribution as far as they are concerned. But let us be generous. We will not shoot them. We will not pour salt water into them, nor bury them in bedbugs, nor bridle them into a "swan dive," nor keep them on sleepless "stand-up" for a week, nor kick them with jackboots, nor beat them with rubber truncheons, nor squeeze their skulls in iron rings, nor push them into a cell so that they lie atop one another like pieces of baggage—we will not do any of the things they did! But for the sake of our country and our children we have the duty to seek them all out and bring them all to trial!
Not to put them on trial so much as their crimes. And to compel each one of them to announce loudly: "Yes, I was an executioner and a murderer." And if these words were spoken in our country
only one- quarter of a million times (a just proportion, if we are not to fall
behind West Germany), would it, perhaps, be enough? It is unthinkable in the twentieth century to fail to distinguish between what constitutes an abominable atrocity that must be prosecuted and what constitutes that "past" which "ought not to be stirred up."
We have to condemn publicly the very idea that some people have the right to repress others. In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are
implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future. When we
neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations. It is for this reason, and not because of the "weakness of indoctrinational work," that they are growing up
"indifferent." Young people are acquiring the conviction that foul
deeds are never punished on earth, that they always bring prosperity
You missed his point. On this topic, he is likely much better versed than you.
+1
Putin agreed with Solzhenitsyn. Putin also equated the Bolsheviks with treason. http://rt.com/politics/putin-accuses-bolsheviks-treason-877/
I agree that there are LOADS of tactical and strategic lessons that the US Political Amateurs could learn from Russia. On the other hand, the day that Russia has to pass some severe anti-immigration policies to quell the hoards racing towards their borders is the day I might be buying this propaganda sold as non-propaganda.
I think you'll find that Mr Putin has already made interesting statements in respect of these points.
1. Russia does NOT need migrants:
2. Those who choose to join Russia will abide by Russian laws / customs.
3. Migrants WILL learn Russian. There is a time window for development of "acceptable language skills" - failed development, bye bye visa.
4. Russian law will be designed for the benefir of Russians, not minorities. If monorities feel "discriminated" against then they will have to find another Country that more closely fits their needs.
All these points were made By Vladimir Putin during a Duma address in 2013. He VERY clearly stated that his Russia "will not commit suicide by diversity as has been seen in Americ, UK, Holland and Germany".
THAT is why "they" do not clamour to be "let in" - yet.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185870.html
Vlad's starting to lose patience - and his hair.
He's almost bald!
Obama is going grey and wrinkled. Also Obama is more of a commie than Putin. I hope the bankers let us have an American for our next president.
An interesting thing can be thought about "The boy who cried wolf"
The US has proved that they are the Bully and underhandedly do whatever they want, to try to cheat win Game.
I cannot believe anything they say anymore, them and their puppets the MSM. Can you?!
The MSM is completly controlled!
Soon they will tell us that if we don't max our credit cards, we will collapse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waoLeSEihxM
(watch at 2:04 if nothing else)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vkOjWgl6qQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM8L7bdwVaA
Ignored)
(clearly told what to say by their masters, word for word)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkxR9T01pw
(gas Prices)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkxR9T01pw (I love you)
i'm not pro russia, china, or eu., i'm for a constitutional republic of america, for future generations of americans.
this quasi socialist, communist, facist, statist, banana republic, political special interest group infested america has morphed into is doomed to fail.
backroom deals has cost america 1/2 of americans, and foriegn countries trust.
o'bamas real foriegn policy actions is completely opposite of what he campaigned on.
there's been more military actions, in foriegn countries under o'bama than, i don't know how many of the past presidents combined, it's been many.
america, and the eu. have been hiring out nato for protection, and clean-up actions.