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"We have moved to a footing of a terrorism event," -NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione http://t.co/Df7F4ALUsd pic.twitter.com/XUFumKXDYi
— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 15, 2014
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Only weeks after Australia broke up a plan by ISIS to publicly behead a member of public, reports suggest 2 gunmen are holding 13 hostages at a Lindt coffee-shop in Sydney, Australia. The terrorists have shown a black jihadist flag - which is not an IS flag - and has paraded the hostages at the windows. The coffee shop is directly across the street from the Reserve Bank of Australia.
- *LINDT AUSTRALIA CEO STEVE LOANE SPOKE BY PHONE
- *LINDT AUSTRALIA: PROBABLY ABOUT 30 CUSTOMERS IN SYDNEY CAFE
- *LINDT AUSTRALIA: ABOUT 10 STAFF WORKING IN SYDNEY CAFE TODAY
*ABBOTT SAYS INCIDENT IS `VERY DISTURBING'
*ABBOTT: URGES AUSTRALIANS TO GO ABOUT BUSINESS AS USUAL
Here's a transcript of the Prime Minister's press conference on #SydneySiege #MartinPlaceSiege pic.twitter.com/UjX25PbCg8
— Adam Todd (@_AdamTodd) December 15, 2014
- *RESERVE BANK OF AUSTRALIA STAFF LOCKED DOWN IN SYDNEY HQ: CNBC
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Statement from Prime Minister Tony Abbott on Sydney hostage situation. pic.twitter.com/MHkNRZFQWB
— Simon Cullen (@Simon_Cullen) December 15, 2014
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- 943 am local, woman spots a man with a blue bag carrying a gun going into the Lindt coffee shop in Syndey.
- 13 hostages held
- Sydney Airspace NOT closed - flightsdiverted
- *SYDNEY OPERA HOUSE EVACUATED: BBC
Sydney Opera House evacuated after police found suspicious package. Ongoing hostage situation in Lindt Cafe Martin Pl pic.twitter.com/fKUhKlHV1Z
— Lochie White (@LochieWhite) December 15, 2014
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Hostages were being held inside a central Sydney cafe where a black flag with white Arabic writing could be seen in the window, local television showed on Monday, raising fears of an attack linked to Islamic militants.
Australia, which is backing the United States and its escalating action against Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, is on high alert for attacks by radicalized Muslims or by home-grown fighters returning from fighting in the Middle East.
Part of Martin Place, home to the Reserve Bank of Australia, commercial banks and close to the New South Wales (NSW) state parliament, was closed off by armed police.
Live television footage showed patrons inside a cafe standing with their hands pressed against the windows. A black and white flag similar to those used by Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria was also visible.
NSW Police tweeted: "A police operation is underway in Martin Place, Sydney's CBD. People are advised to avoid the area."
Dozens of police including a SWAT team were setting up and a couple of hundred people were being held back by cordons.
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LIVE coverage of Sydney Hostage crisis now on @Channel7 #sydneysiege pic.twitter.com/dRZSp5EDwW
— Peter Doherty (@PeterDoherty7) December 15, 2014
BREAKING PHOTO: One of the terrorist in Sydney cafe hostage situation. pic.twitter.com/m554kLGiIf
— Breaking News (@NewsOnTheMin) December 15, 2014
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— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) December 14, 2014
This is the flag being used at the #MartinPlace siege. It's a jihadist flag, but it's not the IS flag. pic.twitter.com/ijgluFfEHe
— Merry Christodoulou (@tim_chr) December 14, 2014
SYDNEY SIEGE: Gunman forces hostages to hold up ISIS flag in window http://t.co/9K3XXEiSFa pic.twitter.com/cATxCjYXpy
— Daily Mail Australia (@DailyMailAU) December 14, 2014
Australia Siege in central Sydney - live feed http://t.co/GqEGERjMui pic.twitter.com/hkPsLz4caC
— ForexLive (@ForexLive) December 14, 2014
BREAKING UPDATE: A gunman reportedly holding up to 20 hostages in cafe in downtown #Sydney ISIS flag visible. pic.twitter.com/b6Pvrdz9XL
— ???s (@H0XH4) December 14, 2014
UPDATE: Heavy SWAT and @NSWPolice presence at Martin Place, as siege at the Lindt Café continues. #9News pic.twitter.com/aL4kPbmsFl
— Nine News Sydney (@9NewsSyd) December 14, 2014
Terrifying photo of hostages in Martin Place in Sydney, being held by men waving an ISIS flag pic.twitter.com/6ozBRQVNlG
— Tom Steinfort (@tomsteinfort) December 14, 2014
LIVE: Hostages held in siege in #Sydney , #Australia - #ISIS http://t.co/aEZiCyPLjK pic.twitter.com/3VTCFg0YXt
— Hotpage Business (@HotpageBusiness) December 15, 2014
HAPPENING NOW: Flights Scramble To Avoid #Sydney Airspace #martinplace @JakeSturmer http://t.co/wTO5RzOWe0 pic.twitter.com/BG1rTtsViH
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 15, 2014
BREAKING PHOTO: Gunmen take hostages at Sydney cafe, wave Islamic flag http://t.co/zmSo3ARDVs pic.twitter.com/z0qXKdiCnM
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) December 15, 2014
As we have noted previously...
At least 20 are believed to have returned to Australia and pose a security risk, the head of the national spy agency said last week.
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Nice of you to reinforce his point E.G. GUN FREE ZONE
@HH,
If his religion is your point, allow me to give ponderance here.
The DC shipyard/Batman incident is similar in the theme of MK ultra. Look no further than the "Lilly Wave". It's what smart meters are for. Many of these so called nut cases hearing voices can counter it. Best analogy is yawning to pop the ears as in a pressurized plane cabin.
Excellent WG.....for those who know not...
Dr. Pat Flannagan, the Lilly Wave...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6yu8E0wN2A
Couldn't happen in Idaho. You Texans still can't even open carry. Too many Liberals in Austin, Dallas, and Houston. When idiots from Spokane, Washington cross the border and try to rob a store in N. Idaho. They end up full of holes.
What happen if the terrorist wear bullet proof jacket ?
Dodge bullet and finish them with a Japanese katana ?
Whew... Thank god the Aussies all gave up their guns...I mean if anyone of the hostages had been armed, someone might have gotten hurt.
The Aussies know that guns are dangerous. Jihadist crazed Muslims are not..... wait....?
Yes, I'm confused. Our PM took our guns twice but we have had plenty of shootings since then. And now we are being terrorized by gunmen. We got fifty million CCTV cameras all over the city but they all saw nothing.
Maybe we should try having guns and no CCTV cameras. See if that works.
Given that these are Muslim terrorists there is virtually no chance that anyone will get out alive. It is probably the plan of the terrorist to have everything end in a grand ball of flame, bullets and dust captured worldwide on video.
If I was in there I would be doing UA Flight 93 stuff. They are going to have to try and effect their own escape or rescue no matter how it turns out. These guys are suicidal and it is doubtful they want to do some sort of hostage swap.
I wish them well and hope there are a couple alpha-types in there somewhere and not to close to the beta's.
send in
the militarized kangaroos...
Let's see, two against 40.....this should already be over.
Just opposite live TV studio, that's why
More theatre.
Exaclty. Especially considering the Lindt cafe is a massive tourist trap. No employee of RBA or any of the bank headquarters would go in there.
A freed hostage says the gunman is demanding someone bring him an actual IS flag. Apparently he left his at his mum's place and is feeling a bit silly right now.
Yeah and you have real guns instead of plastic ornamental swords
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sword-removed-in-counterterrorism-raids-a-comm...
Children are being beheaded in the ME for not converting to Islam. They chose death, Why are you afraid to die? Our souls are being tested.
You can't know that, but I understand and accept your point.
Well, economics9698, hedgeless just did something about it, and it was significant.
Australians deserve what they get - they dont have to elect a FOOL for PM - "short shirt" et al - the USA is the BLACK PLAGUE - if you havent figured that out you deserve destruction - look at Switzerland - NO USA support - they make MONEY - no enemies - why? - they dont play USA game - Aussies were murdered for NOTHING-100 YEARS AGO -at Gallopoli -for nothing !
ROLLOUT ONLY SOLUTION - DO NOT SUPPORT THE CLOWN BOY oBAMA - IT IS NOT WORTH IT !
The ANZACs being at Gallipoli was due more to the UK than USA, but point taken.
My Commonwealth's been occupied for 149.
Never forget.
First off, hedgeless_horseman probably wasn't even here 101 years ago. Second it's a valid observation. Third what have you done about it?
Really? You'd take hostages that had nothing to do with the original crime?
I agree with your sentiment, but I think I'd aim farther up the food chain than the worker bees.
And God help the people in the cafe (and I don't mean the ones with the flag).
The assholes who did this should be dead ASAP. The end.
Who did this? Or different assholes?
A girl who was burned beyond recognition by a U.S. drone and left for
dead in a trashcan is about to undergo reconstructive surgery.
All kinds of assholes in the world. Some of them even attack wedding parties.
+1000
Does anybody currently protesting on the streets of America (especially active U.S. military) care" if this little girl can breath"?...
Judging by how long we've ignored the carnage I guess we have the answer to that question!
I've stated it before.
Most humans are simply not human. They are still animals.
That reminded me of the pain induction box scene from Dune. Are you human or are you animal.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIDtN8CDQmk
It never ceases to amaze me how many of the most vocal critics against Bush/Cheney, and rightfully so, are now SILENT about the violence done to the world by this current administration.
Do they really care about the violence, or it's OK when their guys are the ones propagating it?
It's because they are not ever real critics.
If they were actually critical, then they wouldn't be on television or the radio.
Want to read the template for all of Sean's or Linda's scripts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule
"If they were actually critical, then they wouldn't be on television or the radio."
It's hard to accept, but it is true.
Sorry to break it to you, but this is exactly how war works. Those that have nothing to do with the original crime suffer and die.
You would aim at the worker bee that is aiming his rifle at your brother.
Welcome to Earth. You probably will want to check out this concept we call history.
Yes and sadly we can't learn from it. Even in the 21st century. If there are any humans left in the not too distant future, they will wonder not only how Hitler rose to power in Germany, but how the people of the U.S. could let someone rise to power to make Hitler look like a saint.
An excerpt from
They Thought They Were Free
"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a
philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the
government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to
begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it
doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a
people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian
defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do
with knowing one is governing.
"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little
by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions
deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so
complicated that the government had to act on information which the
people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people
could not understand it, it could not be released because of national
security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in
him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would
otherwise have worried about it.
"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap,
took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps
not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated
with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the
crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they
did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of
government growing remoter and remoter.
"You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my
life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then,
suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the university was
drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews,
ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports,
bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the
demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was ‘expected
to’ participate that had not been there or had not been important
before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one’s
energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see
how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had
no time."
"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. ‘One had no time to think. There was so much going on.’"
"Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The
dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above
all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who
did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your
baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind
you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never
had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental
things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with
continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by
the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we
had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing,
little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were
grateful. Who wants to think?
"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice
it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of
political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to
develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained
or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the
whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole
thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no
‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw
it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn
growing. One day it is over his head.
"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated
ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many
times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist
the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in
order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end
clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or
even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.
"Your ‘little men,’ your Nazi friends, were not against National
Socialism in principle. Men like me, who were, are the greater
offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed
better. Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men
like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the
Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all,
he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked
the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a
Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the
Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing.
And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did
something—but then it was too late."
"Yes," I said.
Thanks HH, I'm adding that one to the reading list. I'm about 20% into "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by Shirer. I've been looking into how National Socialism really got started and why it was never stopped in Germany. It's striking how little it really took for the Nazis to gain control of a supposedly democratic government in 1933, despite never having a popular majority.
Nothing striking about it, just look at our govt and AIPAC
Exactly.
When is it time to quit using Hitler as the measure of evil when we have Cheney and Netanyahu?
What's this we shit? I learned it a long time ago, it's not my fault the majority of humanity is borderline retarded.
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..this is exactly how war works. Those that have nothing to do with the original crime suffer and die.
Which is why we still have wars. The assholes that start them and profit from them are not the ones suffering and dying. If they were, it very quickly would be a different story.
Water boarding and anal rape by Dick Cheney would get us your plans Hedgeless.
We've already been invaded and occupied HH, but we do nothing, just give the word bro.
It is hard to have empathy for people who do not even value their own lives, much less others. War is an ugly thing and unfortunately it will be won by whoever is willing to what must be done. What is, cannot be changed or undone. We can have empathy for a person or groups cause but still recognize that their solution, their remedy is not compatible with our own survival. Does anyone, anywhere, believe that if "the West" absolutely capitulated, retreated, surrendered or lay face down in the dirt, that Islamists would stop their aggression, their murder, their radicalization of their children?
A policy of holding hands and singing of brotherly love is too little too late. Wake up and see whats coming. This is a multifront attack. The multicultural, politically correct elite are telling us to lay down our defenses, curb our hateful tongue, pay more patriotic taxes, and buy the fucking dip. Our government is not far off from enabling culture zones as in Europe, where police are not allowed to tread, be it Ferguson or McAllen, or Dearborn.
You clearly didn't watch the video.
Don't be afraid.
I think I know what empathy means.
We can all agree that there has been much evil and as always, it is ALWAYS seen as justified, be it dropping a bomb from a mile up or with a knee in your back, sawing at your neck. People never learn from history yet can recall a perceived injustice from three thousand years back and are still seeking justice.
Too many here would like to believe that it all started with America but our only real contribution is scale. Bigger and badder and yes it will end badly for everyone, but as we see, it has taken a life of its own. Not America...the whole fucking murderous world. All seeking to either survive or bit more likely, WIN. It is the American people that are the only ones who do not want to win. We don't want to torture, we don't want to bomb, we don't want boots on the ground. We just want it to all go away. But guess what...its not. Its too late for that. The hornet's nest of the world has been kicked and the murderous vengeful insects are attacking.
You can sit back and enjoy another fine rabbit diner with fresh home grown veggies, secure in your simultaneous self righteousness and infinite guilt.
You may know what empathy means, but you clearly don't have any empathy for Iraqis or Afghanis. If you did, you wouldn't have started your comment with, "It is hard to have empathy for people who do not even value their own lives, much less others."
Empathy does not mean that I will surrender to their wishes, regardless of how justified they feel. Have you paid any attention to THEIR crimes against humanity, or is it only your desire to suggest America is the only perpetrator here? I will retain my ultimate empathy to those nearest and dearest to me. Its far too late to believe we can end this with "empathy". You fail to understand the history of humanity and it is clear..., empathy is ultimately seen as weakness. Ask ANY radical Muslim...go ahead, ask them. None of them will even coyly imply that our "empathy" will buy us a second of their mercy.
You may believe that your high moral ground combined with your abilities to live off the land will save you, but in the eyes of these radicals, you or no better than Cheney. As a matter of fact, they probably respect Cheney more.
You might like to but your vagina would prevent you, little bitch boy and all.
What your looking for here is a comment about fighting the invading ARMY not killing women and children but you aren't the type to think before speaking.
But the US has killed innocent women and chldren, hundreds of thousands of them you stupid fuck.
Almost as many as they have killed of their own.
Lets go cut the heads off some more non believer children, how about it?
Muslims are fucked. Moderate "normal" people are trapped between a wack job mentality that demands they support them or lose their heads, and a massive military power that will kill indiscriminately to stop them.
War has no winners on the ground. The Islamist leaders send thier conscripts out to die, just like our leaders do, while sitting safely hidden away.
Muslims are no more fucked than Christians.
Christians have been buteching millions of people in the middle east for decades; only a blind fool could not empathize with the muslims and see why they are pissed off.
No Christians are demanding others to adopt or die.
Living in ignorance of facts and history will not save us. Muslims have killed more Muslims than anyone else. But of course, it was evil white Christians that duped them into doing it.
"No Christians are demanding others to adopt or die."
Actually when you go into foreign lands, steal resources, and put in a puppet gov you sort of are demanding they adopt to your ways. Sure, the invaders don't give a fuck about converting peoples religion but thats besides the point; you still need to adopt the notion that the invaders have ensalved you or they will kill you.
576,000 dead Iraqi kids will disagree. When you destroy water and sewage treatment facilities and prevent importation of equipment to fix them, sending child mortality rates through the roof, is that not murder?
But at least we didnt ask them to convert, aint we nice christians.
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/01/world/iraq-sanctions-kill-children-un-...
I suggest a blind fool with no history would take your position. In virtually all of the Middle East it is their own people in charge of their own countries. They were more peaceable and probably had more rights and protections as colonies. Once given their freedom it is up to them what they become.
The whole "Christian butchering" thing is stupid on it's face. There is no Christian crusade, no forced conversions, none have been added to the Holy Roman Empire or forced to swear allegiance to the Vatican. There has not been any comparable kafir policies for Muslims.
Their countries are their own fault. Europeans have been everywhere in the world from China, to the S. Pacific to S. America. No one has turned out like the Middle East. You migth notice that even America was colonized by Europeans, British, French, Dutch, Spanish and so on.
If they want to be pissed off about history then maybe the Brits should invade the Viking homelands or the Teutons should exact revenge on the Huns or Mongols or Goths. Maybe the Hutu's and Tutsi's should keep killing each other.
Or maybe they can swear off killing everyone different and show us the path to the wonders of a civilized completely Islamic society. There are no competing religions in most of their countries, not even atheism.
It matters not if there is an "official crusade".
All that matters is white people who happen to be christian and don't fucking belong there invade their countries and butcher their families over lies and only to control resources/ gain a geopolitical advantage.
They may happen to think the invaders are crusading due to the fact the invaders happen to be christian, but thats circumstantial. The fact of the matter is WE are INVADING them and KILLING their families. And that's what angers them and causes terrorism back here, and rightfully so.
Honestly, if you put yourself in their shoes how could you not understand why they do what they do and think what they think. WE are the fucking invading aggressive POS. Wake the fuck up
I understand why Mexicans want to sneak into America, but I don't have to give them a job or entitlements (or maybe I do).
I understand why black Americans are resentful of whites, but that does not mean I have to give them preferential treatment (or maybe I do).
I understand why people hate other people and many would like to see others dead, but that does not mean I must lay down and die (or maybe I do).............
If I'm ruled by a brain dead multicultural progressive who sees white America as the devil (or at least tells us we are in order to perpetuate guilt AND animosity to create even further divisions in our society.
Its working.
I suggest you are the one asleep. If America and the West in general wants to take anything there are no powers that can stop us. If we want to level twelve Taliban or ISIS controlled cities tomorrow at 4pm in order to be done by dinner...they cannot stop us. If we want to "invade" (again) and kill all their families, we have the ability.
However, we don't, we didn't and we probably won't. They are still alive and still killing each other and as many of us as they can get to, even the Westerners who come there to actually (and stupidly) help them.
You cannot tell the difference between Genghis Khan who actually really stacked up entire cities full of bodies in the Middle East and the Western armies. You might remember that we even helped them long ago against the godless, leftist Soviets. They they turned on us as a sort of "Fuck you, thank you infidels."
You may want to hate America, the West, Western civilization or even any government that is non-leftist. Just do it. You don't have to make crap up to justify it. Just say that Muslims are really wonderful people except for the fact that we were there. Apart from us, they probably did not even know what war and head chopping were all about.
Just don't expect anyone outside your common delusion to join your party.
Hey Freedumbguy... democracy is a belief system... and we are spreading it/ forcing it on to a religious people. I suggest you read some Michael Scheuer. Former head of the CIA Bin Laden unit. And drop the you hate the west/ US card already you are not on Foxnews.com
No, Democracy is a form of government based on a philosophy. So is communism. So is monarchy. So is theocracy. It is a form of government that seems to be currently impossible for Muslim countries anywhere in the world. A good guess would be that it is because of their culture and belief systems which do not support any type of plualism.
I do not get cable and I do not care what Fox, MSNBC or CNN think.
PHUCK ISIS .. pussies .
http://hedgeaccordingly.com/2014/12/christie-mum-on-n-j-pilgrim-pipeline...
empathy my arse
there is only one king kind of 'good' terrorist
the one with the head blown out
D E A D
Your going to reap just what you sow
You're either a complete tool or NWO agent. Iraq has been a military/political experiment already for more than 3000 years. I'm sure you took to the streets when the elamites/assyrians/Nebuchadnezzar/Cyrus/Alexander overran your beloved country. Or when Abu bakr (the original one that is)/Abbasyds/ghengis khan/seljuks/mamelukes or any of the other countless invaders and country rapists swung by, right?
Turned out the beheading plot was media speculation based upon the seizure of a sword - which turned out to be a plastic ornamental sword. You can't make this stuff up. The police never hosed down the febrile reporting and so the story grew until it was too big to deny.
So, treat everything you read about this siege with skepticism...
Right. You all keep talking about how torture doesn't work.
Savages get no mercy
Hey, the CIA's pretty sure you're a good guy, loyal citizen and whatnot, but SOMEBODY mentioned that you might be keeping some secrets, so, just as a matter of routine security they're going to be by to torture you for a while- just protocol you understand, as long as you have nothing to hide it should go quick.
It is no accident that were are constantly placed between real threats, the threats imagined and real, created and promoted by our government to enhance their own power and the surrender of our own freedoms to counter these real and unreal threats. There are no accidents.
You know what really frightened me about the torture report - there were roughly four groups of Americans:
1. Those who support using torture or think it is a good idea when necessity to extract - larger group of Americans than you think and if you use some of the polls results is somewhere between 20-25%; either people with real mental issues and/or never have been exposed to violence
2. Those who debated that torture was justified in this case - roughtly along partisan lines and because the US said it was 'legal' it was okay and we largely stopped; GOP partisan hacks or Democrats who just don't want to question some ugly shit we did or are continuing to do including reports last year in Somalia. Put this at a smaller group and some overlap with group 1.
3. Those who were indifferent - Most of Americans. Out of sight, out of mind and since it was brown people who weren't Americans. Too bad for them. Say 40-50%.
4. Those who legimiately are really disturbed by this shit by not only the scope but the scale of it; say 10-20% who realize who the torture was, how much of it was based upon junk science from theoretical conditions with lab animals (mainly dog experiments from the 60s), and were really disturbed how the US outsourced this shit to US contractors who were paid hundreds of millions of dollars to systemitically abduct, torture, and detain people with no trials for an indeterminate period.
Yup. This is another false-flag, bildaberg, NWO, black water thingy
Yep and all the millions they spent on this BS operation just like the money being wasted looking for MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean. Oh and not to mention the half billion plus ongoing being pissed down the trough in Iraq.
Fuck you Abbott you cunt and your fascist brethren.
While I'm so pissed don"t forget about the loss of civil liberties like spying on your own citizens,data retention,torture,yeah dictator Abbott can't get your horseshit budget passed he gets off on this shit.
This same prick wanted to send 1000 Australian troops to secure the MH17 crash site could you imagine it?
He's a fucking pychopath.
And to think he was once in the seminary training to be a priest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
you be the judge of this fruitcake
DAMN !!!
I'm flying there in three weeks !!
Reason #727,527,672 to carry arms.
I'd say the RBA has done more damage to Australia through debt slavery than a couple of terrorists ever will.
A coffeee shop...? He´s in the financial district and then he goes into a coffee shop for hostage taking and such...?? Goes to prove that they are complete idiots or mind control victims.
directly across the street from the Reserve Bank of Australia.
They got the wrong building
Sydney Airspace closed.
WTF Why?
That's where they get paid each Friday.
They got the wrong state. The Mint and refinery are in Perth, Western Australia.
Impossible. Guns are illegal in Australia.
This is why we should ALL be armed and dangerous.
Archie Bunker on gun control
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KwwD0MwQo5w
Someday, probably sooner than anyone thinks, you'll be banned from posting and/or get a knock on your door for such a comment.
## Someday, probably sooner than anyone thinks,...
Please keep your perverse fantasies to yourself. You're just hoping nobody comes looking for you. Like these guys. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11289403/Man-who-introduced...
Good luck with that.
And so are plastic replicas, unlike the plastic ornamental sword the totally fictional "beheading plot" was based upon. I kid you not. A plastic sword.
The plastic sword did the trick.
We-can-spy-on-everyone-all-the-time-without-warrant bill passed, as well as the "foreign fighters" aka if-you-travel-anywhere-we-don't-like-you-are-a-terrorist, without as much as a hitch.
Just another false flag morning...
Another airspace closure, huh?
your gubbermint loves you australia. we must fight them here so we don't have to fight them there.
Guns are illegal in Austraiia, banned from sale and import, but terrorist maniacs are imported and distributed daily.
You can see people of Middle Eastern origin having "father and son bonding sessions" at the St Marys Indoor Shooting Range every Saturday.
Do they shoot holes in the ceiling while yelling "Allahu Akbar"?
No. They are teaching their sons to shoot with deadly accuracy. What do you do at the shooting range?
copy cat Aussie style
grab a foster beer and enjoy the show
FostersTM - Australian for "No one drinks it here so we export it."
I'll take a Tooth Sheaf Stout, mate!
time for some more rushed laws?
Pass them then write them.
Never let a (manufactured, non-existent) crisis go to waste...
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2 gunmen? If this had been in say Alabama, parts of Florida, SC, TN - those 2 gunmen would have been shot by a CCW patron by now. I am betting it is a false flag.
Agent Provocateurs, shirt fronting, flags, five eyes, Tony Abbott
Gulf of Tonkin, anyone? Probably paid by government.
Overheard this at ASIO a couple of weeks ago...
"Hey, can one of you guys find me an angry mentally unstable male muslim? Usual drill. We've got the Mid-year Economic Outlook on Monday and its really shit, need a little Islamaphobia in the news."
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/budget-update-may-be-further-...
Sheeple need big distraction - big stock market crash next week.
The "religion of peace" strikes again...
Ahhhh yes, fanaticals proving one more time, the "religion of peace" is just another poorly drawn cartoon. Unfortunately this is what happens when the people let the government take their fucking guns, while the same government is in bed with the same "terrorists" funding, and training them to do Israhell's bidding. Its a great day to be a Zionist!
Greenie for you, sir.
Although I'm all for freedom of religion, Islam should be openly fought and outlawed wherever posible so that the slaver, killer and child rapist Muhammad finally dies and is forgotten like the monster he is. Guns will help with that.
Modern-day Israel is a nightmarish construct of Zionist warmongering backed by the US, i,e, backed by *our* military.
Also - downvoters...man up and argue against me. This is fight club, if I pissed off the child rapist and pedophile Muhammad (pigs be upon him) bring it,
THE AUSSIES CAUSED THEIR OWN PROBLEM - GET RID OF THE Usa - problem solved
Like it or not, the world is at war on multiple fronts, and you WILL need to eventually choose sides, none of which you will like. Don't know if you have noticed but it is always those in the middle, thinking they have secured the higher moral ground, who get murdered first.
Does anyone think that pacifism will save their lives and those of their friends, family and countrymen? Governments start wars and it is up to the individual to survive it.
It is up to the individual to do what he believes to be moral.
For some it may mean fight.
For others it may mean die.
For the vast majority life will just go on as it did in Occupied France and as it does in Occupied America.
Hell the Allies destroyed more of France than the Nazis...
The French surrendered in 1940 and many of her cities were spared the horrors of warfare until the Allied Invasion happened with the Western Front being established.
Then the French found out what the war was really about..just as the Soviets had experienced from May, 1941.
History is written by the victor and they often allow this inconvenient truth go unreported.
(I am not writing that I, in any way, shape, manner, or form, supported the Nazi Occupation of France or support the current Occupation of America. Fuck the subversion of Operation Paperclip. I am just reporting an inconvenient truth.)
But the point is that most will opt not to fight. As for me I will probably be amongst the first to die. Same as it ever was.
They won't directly answer you they can't not enuf brain power to react that quikly no script lol talmudists and islamists are a scourge when a "religions" main thesis is murdering anyone but it's adherents well then it's not a "religion" it's a sick festering out of control cult just turn the middle east to glass ya can still drill through to suck out the remaining oil ..everyone wins and peace on earth etc etc etc
to Chomwagon: The Talmud says it's OK to have sex with a child as long as it is over 3 years old.
There, I just knocked you out. You are down and out cold on the floor bleeding. And dying cuz I just crushed your skull right into your brain.
Your are comparing one sick religion against another- shotgun blast to the nads, still alive crawling- fight you bitch.
+G
Islam would still be trying to kill you even if Israel were wiped out. People dont get that Islam is not a peaceful religion at all.
neither are those talmudic waiving israeli bastards and both want us dead atleast the islamist assholes aren't doing covertley from within our gov thru media movies banking ..hell everything... Both these parasites need extinguished and none to soon
If you have bothered to study the Talmud, it says it's ok to have sex with a child as long as it over 3 years old. But don't let facts get in the way of your Islam hatred.
Fuck off,Ziuo troll.
"Terrorism"?? Oh, puuuulllleeease...!
NUTS at work. That's what POLICE are for. You don't need governments running amok...
The moment I saw that smarmy fuck Tony Abbott start grandstanding all over the place with completely insane statements about the disappearance of MH370 to distract the media away from Diego Garcia (WTF has Malaysian airlines got to do with him in the first place anyway?), it was pretty obvious who his masters are. This does not surprise me one iota.
Ex trainee Jesuit priest and Rhode scholar as well...
Isn't taking hostages a form of usury?
Hostages, slaves, it's all pretty much the same. The bankers hold us all hostage.....if you don't give us a lot of money, the stawk market is going DOWN!!!
Huh?
Who cares? This whole hostage thing most likely has nothing to do with the RBA. Think of their office being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's the only link that can be made. It's not like any actual business goes on at the RBA. They meet once a month and probably outsource their reports to PWC or someone else.
Why wasn't the fact that the US Consulate is JUST UP THE FUCKING ROAD OMG!!! mentioned in the article? That's an easier location to use to help with the drama.
If you're going to speculate on episode two can you at least put "potential spoiler" at the top of your post?
Okie dokie - when I get some more speculation, I'll make sure I place some spoiler alert notifications before it.
Lindt reporting potentially 40 people inside (Twitter)
https://twitter.com/search?q=Lindt&src=tren
Sydney Opera House has been completely evacuated a while ago after a suspected unaccompanied package was found
Lindt CEO confirms there are 50 people inside the cafe in Martin Place. (3 min ago)
50 hostages at Lindt Chocolate shop, says company official. (3 min ago) http://www.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1b_1418591094#6datPpKVvgPYYlOo.99 Meanwhile in Kiev today.
Usually seminars are all about the theory...these guys got to see it in practice too!
Knowing Australia, they'll probably ban coffee because this occurred at a coffee shop. And any mention of a coffee shop or a cafe will be designated as hate speech.
Aww fuck. I guess I should have savoured my coffee a little more this morning.
And some arseholes called me a racist for saying that we don't need (or want) people like this in Australia.
What are they going to say now?
Open your heart to those ignorant, illiterate violent extremists yearning to extend the Caliphate, They can only "culturally enrich" Australia.
No, read above they are exacting revenge on coffeeshops.. Apparently for our opposing they're 7th century fucking cult
They will say the exact same thing because those areseholes never learn.
Any person is a racist, hater if they are not willing to sacrifice their lives to a politically correct, multicultural theology. All our government ever asks is our sacrifice to their higher purposes.
They might say there were 254 murders in Australia last year, and none of them were by Islamists. Just a guess...
in the usa this would be over by now because the ny police would have shot all the hostages within the first ten minutes.
That will put an end to hostage taking. If they know the police are just going to kill the hostages, what good is taking a hostage?
Not so but the leftists and communists would be wailing about the poor terrorists being the victims.
Arm your citizens Australia and kick out the POS
Our grand parents trained with broom sticks because there weren't enough guns to go round. Something tells me that next time will be the same.
Thirteen hostages. Thirteen. M'kay.
You know there's just never, ever any numerology involved.
How? How?! Do the Jooos do it...they own all media outlets and are able to call all of these attacks Jihadi rather than what they are....Thank goodness for GeoWash and the CAIR rectum-snooters for keeping it real.
The shitty Aussie December retail numbers will be blamed on the fear of terrorist attacks. Nevermind the plunging consumer confidence.
Not in America we are all Super duper confident in our Government and economy and oh yeah, we love our representatives and the cromnibus..
The federal government just announced the Mid Year Financial Outlook (MYFO) due to be released today will be delayed. Pretty sure it will show the economy sagging badly. Ancedotally retail is doing badly, the falling dollar / commodity complex has got the mindless hand-to-mouth consumer rattled.
Hey look! Only Police and Military have guns! Everybody's SAFE!