This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
Up To 40 Hostages In Sydney Financial District Coffee Shop, Jihadists Suspected; US Consulate Evacuated - Live Feed
Live Feed:
Alternate Live Feed:
2nd Alternate Live Feed(click image for link)
* * *
"We have moved to a footing of a terrorism event," -NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione http://t.co/Df7F4ALUsd pic.twitter.com/XUFumKXDYi
— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 15, 2014
* * *
Only weeks after Australia broke up a plan by ISIS to publicly behead a member of public, reports suggest 2 gunmen are holding 13 hostages at a Lindt coffee-shop in Sydney, Australia. The terrorists have shown a black jihadist flag - which is not an IS flag - and has paraded the hostages at the windows. The coffee shop is directly across the street from the Reserve Bank of Australia.
- *LINDT AUSTRALIA CEO STEVE LOANE SPOKE BY PHONE
- *LINDT AUSTRALIA: PROBABLY ABOUT 30 CUSTOMERS IN SYDNEY CAFE
- *LINDT AUSTRALIA: ABOUT 10 STAFF WORKING IN SYDNEY CAFE TODAY
*ABBOTT SAYS INCIDENT IS `VERY DISTURBING'
*ABBOTT: URGES AUSTRALIANS TO GO ABOUT BUSINESS AS USUAL
Here's a transcript of the Prime Minister's press conference on #SydneySiege #MartinPlaceSiege pic.twitter.com/UjX25PbCg8
— Adam Todd (@_AdamTodd) December 15, 2014
- *RESERVE BANK OF AUSTRALIA STAFF LOCKED DOWN IN SYDNEY HQ: CNBC
* * *
Statement from Prime Minister Tony Abbott on Sydney hostage situation. pic.twitter.com/MHkNRZFQWB
— Simon Cullen (@Simon_Cullen) December 15, 2014
* * *
- 943 am local, woman spots a man with a blue bag carrying a gun going into the Lindt coffee shop in Syndey.
- 13 hostages held
- Sydney Airspace NOT closed - flightsdiverted
- *SYDNEY OPERA HOUSE EVACUATED: BBC
Sydney Opera House evacuated after police found suspicious package. Ongoing hostage situation in Lindt Cafe Martin Pl pic.twitter.com/fKUhKlHV1Z
— Lochie White (@LochieWhite) December 15, 2014
* * *
Hostages were being held inside a central Sydney cafe where a black flag with white Arabic writing could be seen in the window, local television showed on Monday, raising fears of an attack linked to Islamic militants.
Australia, which is backing the United States and its escalating action against Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, is on high alert for attacks by radicalized Muslims or by home-grown fighters returning from fighting in the Middle East.
Part of Martin Place, home to the Reserve Bank of Australia, commercial banks and close to the New South Wales (NSW) state parliament, was closed off by armed police.
Live television footage showed patrons inside a cafe standing with their hands pressed against the windows. A black and white flag similar to those used by Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria was also visible.
NSW Police tweeted: "A police operation is underway in Martin Place, Sydney's CBD. People are advised to avoid the area."
Dozens of police including a SWAT team were setting up and a couple of hundred people were being held back by cordons.
* * *
Images:
LIVE coverage of Sydney Hostage crisis now on @Channel7 #sydneysiege pic.twitter.com/dRZSp5EDwW
— Peter Doherty (@PeterDoherty7) December 15, 2014
BREAKING PHOTO: One of the terrorist in Sydney cafe hostage situation. pic.twitter.com/m554kLGiIf
— Breaking News (@NewsOnTheMin) December 15, 2014
???? ????? ????? ?? ???? ?? ????. ????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ????. pic.twitter.com/atwsvZcs1w
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) December 14, 2014
This is the flag being used at the #MartinPlace siege. It's a jihadist flag, but it's not the IS flag. pic.twitter.com/ijgluFfEHe
— Merry Christodoulou (@tim_chr) December 14, 2014
SYDNEY SIEGE: Gunman forces hostages to hold up ISIS flag in window http://t.co/9K3XXEiSFa pic.twitter.com/cATxCjYXpy
— Daily Mail Australia (@DailyMailAU) December 14, 2014
Australia Siege in central Sydney - live feed http://t.co/GqEGERjMui pic.twitter.com/hkPsLz4caC
— ForexLive (@ForexLive) December 14, 2014
BREAKING UPDATE: A gunman reportedly holding up to 20 hostages in cafe in downtown #Sydney ISIS flag visible. pic.twitter.com/b6Pvrdz9XL
— ???s (@H0XH4) December 14, 2014
UPDATE: Heavy SWAT and @NSWPolice presence at Martin Place, as siege at the Lindt Café continues. #9News pic.twitter.com/aL4kPbmsFl
— Nine News Sydney (@9NewsSyd) December 14, 2014
Terrifying photo of hostages in Martin Place in Sydney, being held by men waving an ISIS flag pic.twitter.com/6ozBRQVNlG
— Tom Steinfort (@tomsteinfort) December 14, 2014
LIVE: Hostages held in siege in #Sydney , #Australia - #ISIS http://t.co/aEZiCyPLjK pic.twitter.com/3VTCFg0YXt
— Hotpage Business (@HotpageBusiness) December 15, 2014
HAPPENING NOW: Flights Scramble To Avoid #Sydney Airspace #martinplace @JakeSturmer http://t.co/wTO5RzOWe0 pic.twitter.com/BG1rTtsViH
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 15, 2014
BREAKING PHOTO: Gunmen take hostages at Sydney cafe, wave Islamic flag http://t.co/zmSo3ARDVs pic.twitter.com/z0qXKdiCnM
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) December 15, 2014
As we have noted previously...
At least 20 are believed to have returned to Australia and pose a security risk, the head of the national spy agency said last week.
»
- 64954 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
yeah, except for the crooks
I hope all the hostages remain safe.
As an aside.... did Al Pacino play a "terrorist" in Dog Day Afternoon?
Shame there's no Z/H poster in there keeping us up on events as for certain the truth about the eventual Special Forces Fiasco and incompetence in handling this will never come out. Surely the first demand from the tellelists would be to allow in ANY uPrick Murdoch camera crew. Murdo makes the News and WESTERN GOVERNMENT POLICY with the help of a few Financiers, a few Houses of Ill repute ( Saud, Windsor, Orange . . ) and a Dozen or so Ballistic Sociopaths from SpyNet/Stripes.
Probably a False Flag OR Lindt refused point blank for a Halal Choc or Coffee Aperitif.
Remember kids.....Diversity is our strength.
Australia is a gun-free zone. Go figure.
How many Americans had anti-aircraft guns on 9/11 ? Even the Pentagon seems to have lacked them
No one can pack heat in Australia. EVen a couple of people packing in the coffee shop could have fought back. Why is everyone calling this Australia's 9/11? Bullshit.
That worked out well. It certainly strengthens the politicians position that less guns in this incident, it will all turn out for the better, right? So lets score it out: A person that they are reluctant to call a terrorist, because of possible Islamic ties, has a gun. The police, who are now highly militarized and trained to control and terrorize citizens and not bad guys, have guns. And the citizen hostages? They have maybe a few cups of coffee in there. It's working out fine, don't worry.
AND WHERE IS TODAY'S ACTION? EXACT SAME PLACE. Maybe its a central area, but a bit of a coincidence? A CBC News Network Reporter said something like: "workers who normally make it to the cafe in the morning, for some reason did not make it there this morning." Outpouring of public sympathetic emotion for central banks and central bankers everywhere in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Rubbish! These excercises have been going on in many places for several years. Stop being a conspiratorial alarmist or ZH will give you a permanent job.
That's an excellent example of a straw man fallacy!!! Nice one:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zSOrNEu4LB0/UVH1zBgpCaI/AAAAAAAALDQ/JuvAxMJ3D30/s1600/Strawman.jpg
They are waiting in the background, 100 strong, ready to move right in to handle it rapidly and professionally, as soon as they can get someone to classify it as a 'terrorist' action. You see, they have this long qualification checklist to go through...
Both sides of politics have for years allowed the invasion of Australia by 'asylum seekers', mostly Muslim. Stats show that after 5 years here, 90% + are still on benefits.
About 85% of serious crime - drugs, shootings, murder, assaults - are by people of 'Middle Eastern appearance' or rather that used to be the description before the politically correct forced police to stop that type of terrible discrimination.
Europe & the UK will be Islamic states in a few years. Australia soon after. And if Hugo Price's prediction about the US black population taking up Islam in large numbers comes true, there goes the good 'ol US of A.
Here’s what Price says in concluding his article (Thoughts About the Islamic Jihad 08 Sept 2014. Google Hugo Salinas Price for his web site)
“…….. But we must be clear about a fundamental fact: Islam and Western Civilization are totally ‘incompatible, and true Moslems will never adapt to Western ways of life under Western-style governments. Quite the contrary, true Moslems consider that it is Allah's Will that all humanity shall convert to Islam, by fire and the sword if necessary.
The West is now likely to be overthrown by Islam. If present trends continue, in 40 years Europe will be Islamic territory. The only way to avoid this outcome, would be to: 1. Expel all Moslems from the confines of Western Civilization, regardless of what nationality they may have acquired, and 2. Immediately forbid any immigration of Moslems into the West - a policy which Japan follows, made possible by their ancient wisdom.
At present, it is obvious that neither of these policies will be implemented in any country part of Western Civilization…..."
Hugo Price is 100% correct. We might as well raise the black Islamic flag now. Thanks to all the politically correct lefties our children have no future.
All this was predicted in 1974 by the then Algerian President in a speech to the UN. No one listened. All too late now.
“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
—Former Algerian President Houari Boumedienne’s prophetic warning to Europe in a speech at the U.N. In 1974.
Westerners will have the hilt of the sword on their necks before they realize that Muslims really take their religion seriously.
Actually I'm counting on the Chinese and Indian immigrants to "save" us. They come here and actually work and they have no hangups about the need to deal nicely with Muslims.
The Chinese are busily buying up OZ and will not want to have their purchase buggered up by the religion of peace.
You sound like an American racist Republichristian. Poor babies. Are America's chickens coming home to roost on your upside down little heads?
Since this is a coffee shop hostage situation, I wonder if Pumpkin and HoneyBunny are involved.
That's Ringo.
There have been some radio reports - unconfirmed - of other 'incidents' in other parts of Sydney including police raids in suburbs with a high ME population. Again, unconfirmed.
Oz has, for its population, one of the highest numbers of Muslims travelling to join ISIS with about 4 confirmed killed so far.
Thank You,
Tyler you've always been succinct. in you're decision making process/
My bet is that the Aussie police will either defuse the situation or overcome the gunmen.
Aussie police are more tactical and more likely to negotiate a successful outcome than their US counterparts.
Anzacs were some badass mutherfuckers in WW2.
LOL! Ask a bloke (Mordi, I think) who was shot to death on Bondi Beach a few years ago by SEVEN cops who surrounded him - had a kitchen knife and had a nervous breakdown - more dangerous to himself than others. One of the cops who shot him was a drug dealer, it turned out later. Nice...
In the last few months there've been quite a few people killed by cops - one every couple of weeks or so. The cops here as as bad asa the US. Shoot first, think later.
Hard to know what to say about this, but a couple things are certain.
1. The hostages are as good as dead. No matter what the government's most hardcore SS men try to do, the hajis will kill everyone.
2. The people who cry morning and eve about "the Islamist threat" are the same who fund, arm, and train it. So this event is a big win for them, no matter how it all turns out.
3. Until Westerners get OUT of the MENA and STOP propping up repressive regimes with weapons (SA and Israel, especially), this sort of bloody activity will have no end of eager applicants.
4. Immigration is the Trojan Horse. When you import savages, you get savagery.
It's Dennis Lillee!
LOL
As of now, I still haven't heard a translation of what is written on that flag. Why?
It's not as black and white as they thought.
Dats raycissss!
It says:
There once was a man from Sydney
Who could put it in, up to her kidney
But the man from Quebec
Put it up to her neck
He had a big one, didn't he
People used to carry their guns
But that made for very poor pawns
so trashing their rights
led to long scary nights
now jihadists have all the fun
You must have just made that one up.
Good stuff.
Thanks! I did just make it up. I used to belong to a now-defunct web forum where everyone wrote sharp comments and witty poems off the cuff. Nice to know there's not too much rust on the old skills!
Damn that Putin.
Annexing restaurants in Australia, and using jihadists to do it?
No, no it's Porky Poroshenko trying to obtain more chocolate interests...
#include <sarc_disclaimer>
It's a good thing guns are banned in Australia.
Bitches...
Along with the President, Up To 40 Hostages In U.S. White House, Constitutionalists Suspected; US Consulate Evacuated - Live Feed
I can only hope.
Smells like bullshit. Across from the reserve bank...
I bet that girl won't fuck up that gunman's order or anyone else's again!
Well one thing the hostage takers can be sure of, none of their victims will pull a gun on them!
Counterterrorism training held in Martin Place (May 2013):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5deTABITkDs
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/photos-fni0cszg-1226633547255?page=14
This is just the CIA announcing to Russia and China that they are in Australia and can take over its media and change the dynamic of the counry whenever they feel like it. Australia's bilateral agreements with China and Russia include trade without converting to USD. Tut tut tut...what were they thinking?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/news/martin-place-siege-weste...
Martin Place was also involved in the widespread Sydney terror raids on September 18 when 25 homes were raided, fifteen people were detained and two charged. Reports at the time suggested the terror organisation planned to kidnap someone — possibly a tourist, drape them in the flag and behead them in Sydney’s business hub.
Serves them right for hanging out in a coffee shop rather than an old-fashioned bar--which the jihadists would refuse to enter for fear of damning themselves to an eternal life surrounded by 72 Mothers-in-law.
And what sort of idiot customs officer lets somebody into the country with one of those flags?
No matter where you live in the western world, don't answer that.
GMC, baby.
Diversity has a downside, who'd a thunk it.......
This will give the facist Shirtfront led Govt here in Australia the "excuse" for rampant privacy invasion which they have been battling to achieve for months. They will be supported by the jelly like creature "shortass" who leads the so called opposition. Spew! Why else did /have they allowed this incident to give World Wide publicity to the so called Terrorists. Why have they shut down so many major buildings & the World class Opera House ? Wankers
Hopefully more citizens will now BLAME the "mad monk" Tony Abbott, (Australia's looney Prime Minister) for the obvious reaction against sending Australian assets to "assist" the American invasion of Syria et al -but I won't bet on it.
Abbott was frothing at the mouth when he immediately & off the cuff volunteered to send Warplanes & Special Services Troops to join out USA masters. Fuck them all.
-- - - and they say they can't understand why so many young Muslims go overseas to fight. Reasons like -millions of innocent Civilians killed over the past 20 years in numerous countries - Countries invaded unlawfully (by UN standards) by the USA military industrial machine & supported by the little dog know as Australia.
You reap what you sow. Trouble is the most of the peasants swallow the BS & think they're being protected just like in the US of A. Now Autralians have to be very careful indeed where it is overseas that they want to travel. A lot of the Planet is off limits!
Great comment. The arsehole mainstream media is loving this and feeding the anti muslim bullshit with no acknowledgement of the root cause. The death of millions of muslims at the behest of George Bush and Dick Cheney.
We should save ourself a trip to Mideast to kill the cave dwelling Muslims. We should start killing them here where we live before they do us.
Islam is a religion of war and Islam means submission.
I say kill them all and let Allah sort it out.
A former Muslim terrorist from Gaza has a web site that documents with vid and photos how evil these folks are
unbelievably wicked
http://shoebat.com/
of course some of you don't want to believe
In spite of the well documented evidence and long history of such deeds
you still want regurgitate the crap that blames this all on Zionism
thus enabling these creeps
they are coming to the US via Obama
thus making you his fool
Zio On
Hello Shin Bet case intellligence officer. How is your monthly quota of bot posting going?
A little research on a shahada flag reveals that the inscription reads (as you might have already guessed) "There is no god but Allah. Mohammed is the messenger of Allah." My own rough approximation.
Based on these facts, this incident is obviously some sort of labor dispute or climate change protest.
GMC, baby.
Hmm, US been exposed torturing Muslims this week, very big news.
Bad, bad Muslims hold Aussies Hostage, Sydney airspace shut down. World wide news. Front page.
I smell a distraction, but then again, all news spewing out of the hole of MSM is a smelly distraction.
We can always sacrifice Prince George to make the City of London derivatives go away. Sparing a small child for the sake of society. How does it feel? That’s how fucked up the UK family is.. Complete ratchet cunts feeding off of society. Under words of a Parliment. Our Kenyan Nigger calls it democracy in the USA. Transparency! Our public is guided by eyesight, guns & commonsense
Most immigrants coming to a new country try to blend in and assimilate … some don’t.
Muslims should not be allowed migrate into Western/White countries. Period. Everywhere in the world - everywhere - that Muslims and non-Muslims interface there's ongoing violence and trouble of every sort.
DIS-traction!
Is this group the judean peoples front or the peoples front of judea?
Wankers.
This is not Syria, it's Brisbane... Combat troops in full assault gear carry out anti-terror drills in ahead of the G20 summit (Oct 29, 2014) (hostage scenario - see video, and cafe scenario?):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2811864/Welcome-warzone-Combat-t...
One thing you can be sure of is that if it is on mainstream media it is propaganda. Arrest Loyd Blankfein for treason.
Abbot: Send him 2 Koala's.
Someone I know in Oz wrote this on another site:
They're raiding the Muslim suburbs of Sydney right now. Lakemba, otherwise known as a place shitty bogans lived before white flight occurred.
You will have to look up Bogan in a dictionary. kind of like a member of Wallmart Nation
The cops now know who the bad guy is and it seems they're bringing in his mates, maybe relos
I would have thought with all those concealed carrying Aussies someone would have, oh wait
50% or more of this is due to PC. Same everywhere. Now the PC proponents get to hide out and say "Tut, Tut" and mutter words about Western guilt and blowback. Someday people will wake up to this and the PC folks--today's Pharisees--won't have it so good. Their enclaves will be raided by their victims' survivors.
Why not focus more attention on these enablers rather than letting them get away with murder?
Frontpage headline in today's Times. ....... "Disarmed populace cowers in wet knickers as Police utterly fail to protect their sorry fucking Socialist wanker arses."
I'm all out of sympathy with Collectivists.
+100. And when it's over they'll probably do the same as the Europeans are doing with the returning ISIS decapitators....give them counselling. The poor delicate snowflakes.
False Flag. Do they really think people are stupid enough to believe this is anything more than a staged event he's holding script on the Saudi flag.
Saudi Flag.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=saudi+flag&tbm=isch&imgil=adUOAe7YzZVFmM%...
Its also the flag of the jihadist.isis and al nusra use a similar one.apparanetly it means their is only one god and prophet muhammed was his messenger or some shit like that.actually they also stated on the news here that he asked for an isis flag as part of requests.
Absolutely ridiculous, one guy with a shotgun brings an entire country to a panic, even the flights have been changed from Sydney to avoid flying over the city, so the terrorists won this one and learned a valauble lessons, Australia is an easy target, takes next to nothing to panic the entire country, all we are doing is sending the message that Australia is the softest target worldwide, probably one guy with a slingshot could shut down the CBD.
Spot on! There are DOZENS of ambulances, fire trucks, police vehicles of every description blocking the Sydney CBD. For one F*** wit with a gun.
Where are the snipers who took out hi-jackers of that ship off the African coast a while ago (they made a film of it) Can we borrow them?
8.20pm NSW Premier addressing the nation as I write.. complete confidence in the poliice....terrific job.... proud of response....thoughts with hostages...lets pray... meeting with Islamic leaders... blah blah ..diffcicult day....go about your business (not in Martin Place) ..transport op Ok but check.... doing all we can..we will get through it.. Now Skipioni Comm of Polce.. only plan to get them out safely...will not tell tactics...we have large numbers of police.....will set you fre... Questikon: lkighjts off? A cant comment... we have the best negotiators in he world o0n the job... peaceful outcome... are hostages contacting you? speak to police...sorry no details of how many or who... not ayt livertyto rtell you blah blah... Q motivation? A not in bus of speculation LOLOLOLOLOLLOLO - that's me. Comm again... want an outcome... more police if necessary... (HELLO???) ...then more blah blahy.
Mr Commissioner. WE NEED ONE GOOD SNIPER TO END THIS
I'm not panicking, but then I'm not some Sydney faggot either.
Sydney has one of the highest percentage of gays, second only to San Fran. So looks like you're pretty much on your own AUD. Oh with me too!
LOL, wouldn't know, don't move in those circles, but I will take your informed word on it.
Key West was the worst in my experience. Had to back up to my car to open the door.
Apparently Australian MIIC (military industrial and information complex) needs some more money, and some non believers of the religion of state need to be "convinced" of the need of an all powerful nanny state.
at 8.05 pm Sydney time, radio reports that 'they' have turned off the lights in the building. NOT GOOD! Also that the bad guy has all the hostages (20? 29?) huddled in one corner. Earlier, several escaped and the bad guyt was not happy.
How do we know? Becauee channel 7 TV has their premises opposite this building. They showed CLEAR SHOTS of the bad guy, HELLO?? Where were the snipers? Maybe we don't have any. Or maybe its 'softly softly'... and more softly. Lets not upset the multi-cultural lobby who seem to rule Australia.
Snipers .... no, Abbot's government NEEDS some dead hostages.
No buddy, u r wrong on that. He may be an ex Rhodes Scholar (with some socialist leanings) but he isn't totally insane (events may prove me wrong)
Rhodes Scholars must be such a disappointment to Cecil, he had Germans and Americans and Canadians and Soyth Africans and Antipodeans to create Plato's Guardians to oversee the Security of The Planet and they re-wrote the Trust Deed such as excluding Germans until 1969.
He wanted to have Guardians to prevent war between global powers and instead it was turned into a junket for jocks from the US to party at Oxford. Hell, go look at the selection criteria in the USA - it is pitiful
Could be wrong.
Either way, he will make political capital from these events.
Let's hope he does by running every raghead out of Oz.
Speaking to my brother his theory about terrorists goes as follows:
"All these terrorists are bloody ugly cu...ts that can't get the attention of a woman based on their looks or charms. They therefore resort to this sort of behaviour to get some attention."
Vote Up if you agree
Vote Down if you disagree.
I want to give him some feedback on his theory.
Thank you
This event would last about 15 seconds in America.
Everyday citizens packing heat would let the camel jockeys have it between the eyes.
Sydney talk back radio is saying it'll all end well because the bad guy has allowed/instructed his hostages to contact the media with his demands (one of which is a live 'heart to heart' discussion with Abbott, live on TV - I'd like to see that...mybe the bad guy will 'shirt front' Abbott?) So there's a Stockholm syndrome in resverse at work, it seems...he's getting close to his hostages. We'll see.
What they don't realise is that this is simply the first major terrorist event (for Oz) that disrupts and affects a lot of people. If it ends well it'll be a coup for the bad guys. This one will prob get a suspended 3 mth good behaviour bond and an extra disability pension or dole. It's the Aussie way, led by the Marxists that have taken over the media, arts, law, education & much of politics.
No hope here.
Hugo Price has a web site and an article concerning Jihadists that's well worth a read.
I hope I wake up tomorrow to a good result in Sydney. I really hope..
Let me guess. The Ausi government is planning to pass some total surveillance legislation and needed a little PR to help it pass. Sort of like the Anthrax attack after 911 was used to ram through the US Patriot Act.
GEORGE WASHINGTON from Zero hedge
"No doubt- this is an Israeli and American action (Mossad and Cia) in order to stain the muslims"
Wahsington adds :"All he wanted - the hostage taker is some fine dark Lindt chocolate..and the shop workers denied it from him..."
One sniper should fix this by breakfast.
Blow his fucking brains out. This is stupid.
And what the hell is the Religion Of Peace doing in previously all-White Australia? This article on the Occidental Observer shows who's behind Australia's cultural enrichment. Hint: The same people who are behind the enrichment of all White countries and only WHite countries.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/01/the-jewish-war-on-white-aus...
For all those morons (assuming U.S in origin) that keep posting "good things guns are banned in Australia" etc etc. YES as an Australian I can say it's a damn good thing, note so far no-one has died, and we have the building surrounded with people with guns who are trained on how to use them (and how NOT to use them). There are 2 things that have emerged from this crisis.
1. Gun policy works (note he has a shotgun not a semi-automatic people massacre assault rifle)
2. Police should always preserve life, no matter what the circumstances.
I'm very proud to be an Aussie no matter how this plays out, our police force have handled themselves with highest level of professionalism and restraint. Due to this 5 people have got out of the building alive, which if the rumours of IED are true may not have been the case had the trigger happy morons of this site got their way.
I'm not religious and live in a country that values multiculturalism and freedom of religion. I will wish for the safe release of everyone involved in this saga (including the bad guy) Again WELL DONE to police men and women of Sydney.
To prove my point about this great country and our acceptance of others see this http://www.mamamia.com.au/social/dear-australian-muslims-will-ride/#.VI67N7E_038.facebook
Spread the word of #illridewithyou
Collectivism will be your downfall.
THAT is the whole of the law.
Being a try hard intellectual wanker will be your downfall.
Collectivism will be your downfall? Seriously try living in a true multi-cultural society that embraces diversity and you will realise it's actually kinda nice.
Wow, how much kool-aid did you drink? Semi-automatic people killers.. You ever stop to wonder why good people with guns are always called to stop the bad. Oh thats right only government forces are good enough to handle guns. Read any history like ever in your life?
I must disagree with your declarations.
1. Gun policy works (note he has a shotgun not a semi-automatic people massacre assault rifle)
No it doesn't, multiple citizens are being held against their will, and could very likely be killed. That's failure, it's not success. If two of the victims pulled out handguns and killed their kidnappers then the victim's rights and safety would be defended. What you call success is the elimination of both the people's rights and the people's safety, all in the name of towing a lemming line of multi-culti cowardice and obedience.
2. Police should always preserve life, no matter what the circumstances.
This is a complete non-sequiter, even you don't believe it. You were just crowing that the building is "surrounded by police with guns who know how to use them". So the obvious implication is that you expect them to shoot someone. So much for always perserving life.
Your arguments are just political positions which you've taken because you agree with being told what to do, not because your positions are correct, or even logical.
What the fuck? How many massarces occur daily in U.S? (despite every citizen having a gun)Your answer to a once in a decade situation is - Australians need more guns!!
Yes some fuckwit is holding people against their will, and clearly looks like a religious extremist. There is no place for extremist in this country, that is not what multi-cultralism is about. It's about accepting other religions and races (AND NOT) killing each other.
Yes - Obviously if this nut starts shooting people then the police will have to take his life (did you take my statement a tad too literally?) Let me correct it for you. The police should preserve life wherever possible. (ergo why we need the police with guns).....the police, not a bunch of untrained trigger happy civilians that will just as likely un-fatally shoot the bad guy and result in innocents being killed in the cross fire.
I have no doubt this siege will end with at least the bad-guy killing himself (or death by cop) but with a little luck thats the only life that gets lost. The NSW police have done an amazing job at keeping this guy under control for 10 hours.
When will your country understand - Guns attract Guns.
As for your comment calling us cowrds and obedient.......who is the coward that needs a gun to protect themselves 24hrs a day? Obedience? to what the law? Laws designed to make society a better place to live? ok we are obedient to the law and live happy generally bullett free lives.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/pistols-ammo-and-drugs...
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/shotguns-and-automatic-pistols-seiz...
I'm going to take a guess and assume you are trying to show that some bad people have semi-automatic weapons in Australia?
Well done - the article is from Feb 2014 - hardly a gun epidemic. Yes you can buy semi-automatic weapons on the black market in Australia - at the bargain price of $10,000 - $20,000. Typically bikie gangs so they can shoot each other and people who just like guns. The point is, they rarely get used for violent crime here in Australia, and there are very few of them. The govt had a very successful gun buyback program when they outlawed semi-automatic weapons. A program most Aussies participated in voluntarily and supported!
Yeah, Johnny Howard took our guns twice and sent us to war twice!!! Does he or does he not want us to know how to use guns??? If there is a war tomorrow, can I refuse to go due to lack of practise?
http://books.google.com.au/books/about/One_Man_Banned.html?id=h4jIAAAACAAJ
http://www.abebooks.com/9780646265179/man-banned-Sawyer-Peter-0646265172...
One Man Banned by Peter Sawyer.
I suggest you read it so you can get up to speed. It didn't quite happen the way he thought it would, we had Martin Bryant instead. But it was within the right time frame. Near the end of the book he says that "within a decade, the US will no longer be a super-power". I guess he got the timing on that one wrong, but he was pointing in the right direction.
http://www.bobinoz.com/blog/4548/look-out-shes-got-a-gun/
^^^^ The interesting thing about this article is that he suggests moving to Switzerland for a lower murder rate. Straight over his head.
Well you can't really compare a tiny country like Australia with 20 million people to a huge country and world leader like the US with 320 million, for many reasons.
The problem with embracing Islam with love is that Islam hates everyone who is not Islamic. You've heard of the "bloody borders of Islam" haven't you? Have you heard that Islamic maps divide the world into the House of Islam, and the House of War. Guess which is which. The Koran even tells them to cut people's fingers off after they win a battle! And many other horrible things as well.
Then you appear and tell us that a soft and obedient society will live happily with that. Tsk, tsk. Your views really are the sort of someone who has too much comfort in a very safe part of the world. Then the imaginary successes you see, like saying the police are "amazingly" controlling the criminal when he is in reality doing whatever he wants!
There have been countless times and places in history where "diverese" people lived side by side, but it was usually because complete invasion was taking a bit long. Just putting different people together does not make a lasting society, but having one in which all people can count on the defense of their rights and property, regardless of what multi-culti catagory they fill, is what makes a nation strong and lasting.
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", as our founders put it, and you can't have those things without the ability to defend them, so that's why, after free speech, owning firearms is the second universal right that Americans enjoy.
This multi-culti nonsense is just a wormy way to try and hide from personal responsibility and take the easy way out. But as Ben Franklin said, "Those who would trade freedom for security end up with neither."
Equal rights before the law should be your goal, not quotas of different looking people living in the same area together, which in and of itself, is not rare or special.
Oh for god sake, do you believe what you even say?
I'm not Islamic, Christian or any other major religion for that matter, but to say Islam hates all non-islamic people is just buying into your own govts propoganda. Yes there are factions of Islam (extremist) that interpret the koran in this way, but you don't have to go back far in history to realise Christians have done far worse. If you want to interpret the bible in the same literal manner you'd be horrified at the treatment of women and other religions. Most islamic people (millions of them) are peaceful people who just want to follow their religious beliefs, dress and ceremony.
"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" as your founders put it. Sadly the founding fathers of the U.S had fantastic intentions, and defended that liberty fiercely. Those days are long gone, and their biggest mistake was the 2nd ammendment, it's also been taken so far out of it's original context it isnt funny. The purpose of the 2nd ammendment was to ensure "the people" had weapons to otherthrow their govt. Back then the govt had rifles and swords, now they have drones and nukes....goodluck. Although despite the technological difference between "the people" and the govt, the people can always otherthrow a govt, as the govt is made of people.
"Life" - Seriously you all kill each other, or live in fear of being killed by each other/govt.
"Liberty" NSA - enough said
"Pursuit of happiness" somewhere this pursuit turned to over-indulgence, sleeping with the neighbours wife, and consuming goods.
What is this freedom you feel I've traded away for security? I have freedom of religion, speech, sexuality, privacy (sadly slowly losing this one - as is everyone) yes I have security but not in exchange for freedom. In fact the only freedom we gave up was semi-automatic weapons which very few Aussies had before they were illegal.
website, turn your eyes away..that bomb in bali missed you so what do you care? kept in your cage told what to think, oh propaganda is a weapon of the right never was used by the left, but you stoop so low with christians did worse, so killing children is ok because some other monsters killed more..evil is the taking of anothers freedom, few hands are clean, but yours are no doubt. you live a lie, and call it normal.
Bali was a terrible incident and no Australia is not free from this kind of terror. You will find most balinese people were also horrified by this act - They also embrace Australians (another culture) and they are a peaceful people.
christians, islamic, mormons, jews, buddhists.....I dont really care - im Agnostic. Religion is never an acceptable excuse for killing people.
I don't live a lie, i'm well educated, informed, have a great family, work hard and live for my children. My hands are clean, but i've been the victim of a armed robbery with a gun put to my head, but i'm realistic enough to know it was a chance encounter and I am grateful I or anyone else had a gun to retaliate with. No-one died!
"christians, islamic, mormons, jews, buddhists.....I dont really care - im Agnostic. Religion is never an acceptable excuse for killing people."
God what a brainwashed f*cking fool you are. And try telling the guy in the restaraunt that religion is never an acceptable excuse for killing people.
People like you are the ones destroying the very things you claim to cherish. You truly are a brainwashed fool, parotting like a performing seal all the canards you've been indoctrinated with.
" My hands are clean"..jonestown was full of your kind, you will deny it. but sadly your well educated(by others with evil held as good) mind, is what has done you in..and you will gladly lead all of us to drink up.
Well I enjoyed exchanging views with you, we will just have to agree to disagree.
Though I will say you are greatly overplaying the whole "violence in America" claim, it's truly not that violent here in 99% of the locations. I live in a metro area with 1 million people in it and it's been decades since I've even seen someone so much as get punched, to say nothing of getting shot. It's easy to live your whole life here and never see any violence.
Cheers!
Happy to agree to disagree, and glad to hear you dont have much violence in your life. I generally think people can choose to live outside of violence no matter where they live. Yes there is the rare victim of circumstances like hostages in this story.
I would love to see a more violent area of America - bronx, or detroit have the courage to trial a police force without guns. I think you would be suprised how few even criminals would should an unarmed police officer. It then sets the example, and if my guns attracts guns theory is right then this should see a drop in violent crime in these area's. I'm a firm believer that police and govt should lead by example.
Goodnight, was fun to have exchange of opinions!
Gun violence in America is almost totally confined to certain demographics. White suburbs have no more gun violence that does your typical European country.
Look, he's right about Muslims being peaceful. I mean, can you think of one Muslim country where there's violence or terrorism? In fact can you think of one that's not like a mini-Switzerland? No?
Guns attract guns, lol... Yes all police are cowards right oh and soldiers too.. Have you ever taken your philosophy out and really examined it for logical fallacies because its chock full.. Of course you have not you could not be a logical thinker and hold any of those positions could you.
The perfect government worshipping wanker has been achieved, Bernays would be so proud.
I dont believe most police should carry guns - I like the British model.
Soldiers obviously needs guns, and violence/war is sadly sometimes required - e.g Hitler, Pol Pot etc
You are defending police and soldiers (which is fine) but then accuse me of govt worshipping?????
Yes I do actually love our govt system in Australia, it could be better (all govts have issues) but we have never had a dictatorship, civil war, serious constitutional crisis. When we dont like our govt we vote them out. We have a high standard of living, low crime rate, universal health care, good education.....why wouldnt I love our government.
It's America that seems to loathe and fear it's government. Ours works.
Your parents were related, right?!?
#illridewithyou Now up to 90,000 tweets in less than 3 hrs. This is what a country of religious understanding is all about.
@websitefound I think should be .govdronefound. Government good and guns bad right? HUndreds of millions of dead people would probably not agree with you.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM
government is the bigesst murderer of all. Always has been, always will be. Enable government at your peril.
The totality or your moron-ness is quite disgusting.
Grimaldus
Give me one example of how "your guns" have helped you?
1. U.S govt is probably the worst offender in the murdering dept. (But we have guns to overthrow our govt....so go on...)
2. You have more violent crime than any nation on earth
3. You have highest incarceration rate
WHY WHY WHY would any country follow this model? it doesnt work! Your life is filled with fear!
Why did Australian government outlaw guns if not for fear? Fear is the government's primary business. Without fear, there is no government. Ultimately it is the citizens that empower our governments. It is the citizen's responsibility to discern fact from fiction, threat from fear mongering. Do you know the facts? Or do you just think you do? We have all been imbibed with "facts" for so long I doubt many, if any, really know the truth of the matter. Reading the posts of so many with a crazy range of opinions may only indicate the ignorance of one perspective, our may be illuminating universal ignorance, compounded daily. War is what we are left with. The distasteful position of picking sides in a situation where right and wrong have long since left the discussion and it comes down to survival.
The guns will be irrelevant if they can't take out drones. That is the future and the future is today.
Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates and one of the lowest murder rates in the world.
"I live in a country that values multiculturalism"
Well the diners are enjoying the fruits of multiculturalism now at that restaraunt. You stupid bollocks.
Another Langley black ops for the world to see. Zionist muppets performing their duty. Broadcasted just like a commercial for sheep consumption. I wonder how many are actors!
It is highly probable that this is a false flag . Knowing who runs Australia .....
puppets of the NWO and the zionist , it is likely a joint operation of the corrupt police and the out of control ASIO ( the segret services ) otherwise nicknamed : the lapdogs of the CIA and Mossad .
On a country where every thing is rigged : the newpapers only printing TRIVIA , the TV stations similar story , The ABC in the hands of ASIO controllers , the justice system is rigged and many judges are " On Side " ( in bed ) with police , the legal system is rigged and in the hands of Zionist, The Universities , High schools are full of ASIO collaborators , The medical centres infiltrated with informers , the politicians controlled or blackmailed and the government in the hands of obedient puppets , boot lickers of Israel and CIA .
The Stasi migrated to OZ and found fertile ground !
It's quite possibly a partial false flag. By that I mean the direct shooters are probably genuine Religion of Peace terorists but behind the scenes they were armed, financed and egged on by the usual Zionist/globalist suspects.
... and allowed into the country ...
It's quite possibly a partial false flag. By that I mean the direct shooters are probably genuine Religion of Peace terorists but behind the scenes they were armed, financed and egged on by the usual Zionist/globalist suspects.
It's gettin' so you can't take hostages without the news media stickin' their noses into the business of it all too.
Reads like a "Swordfish" remake.
Funny that there were recent anti-terror training & drills in Martin Place within the last 12 months. Uncanny!
http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-counter-terrori...
STUNNED onlookers couldn?t believe their eyes as an army counter terrorism operation in Martin Place unfolded before them in the early hours of the morning.
At 1am, with the Daily Telegraph present, a convoy of dark Toyota 4WDs, with their spotlights blazing, sped down Macquarie St and burst onto Martin Place to unload a team of highly specialised Australian Defence Force counter terrorism soldiers.
Relocated the Sandy Hook actors to Sydney?
Since it seems you do not believe Sandy Hook was a real slaughter, perhaps you will take up my offer. It’s an all-expenses paid trip for a week in Newtown, CT. If you have your own little mutants, bring them along. The catch is that you must eat all of your meals in public places, with you and your kids wearing t-shirts and jackets that say “Sandy Hoax” on one side and “Nobody Died in Newtown” on the other.
Put your fucking miserable life where your mouth is, you fucking useless, addled brain piece of shit.
Ah, full of chindit. Fuck you, you treacherous scum. You have once again proven yourself to be an agent of all that ills the world.
As far as Sandy Hook, there is one brave soul doing what needs to be done. That being Wolfgang Halbig. Why don't you take your bullshite role up there with him as he does his investigation. He, I would suspect would have even less tolerance of a shill like you than I do.
Even the FBI knows there were no deaths there. Now fuck off and stumble back to your gin and tonic.The Sandy Hoak narrative has more holes in it than your liver.
It's easy to spot the false flag attacks - the target is always innocent civilians or a target of little or not strategic significance - so there's no point in it except to make people mad. The terrorists attack civilians and the military tries (oh so hard) to protect them. The military is built up to prevent this from happening again, but then it does whenever they need more build up. We love Sydney, and I hate to think what it will be like the next time we go there.
I must agree since the target location seems quite poor.
Outlaw chocolate
Especially the dark stuff
Worship our Merciful God of Peace and Love................or we'll cut your head off!
These nut cases should never have been allowed get within 1000 miles of Oz. But the people who wanted them there got their way. As they did with America.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/01/the-jewish-war-on-white-aus...
But why are the Americas's chickens coming home to roost in Australia? Do they hate what little is left of Australians' freedom.
Boston, Mass. shuts down, imposes 24 hour curfew - DO NOT leave your homes!...
AGAIN?!??!?!
........ or you just fukin with us??
Good thing the Australian citizens were armed so they could protect themselves.