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Supreme Court Rules Police Can Violate The 4th Amendment (If They Are Ignorant Of The Law)
U.S. Supreme Court Rules 8-1 that Citizens Have No Protection Against Fourth Amendment Violations by Police Officers Ignorant of the Law
WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a blow to the constitutional rights of citizens, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in Heien v. State of North Carolina that police officers are permitted to violate American citizens’ Fourth Amendment rights if the violation results from a “reasonable” mistake about the law on the part of police. Acting contrary to the venerable principle that “ignorance of the law is no excuse,” the Court ruled that evidence obtained by police during a traffic stop that was not legally justified can be used to prosecute the person if police were reasonably mistaken that the person had violated the law. The Rutherford Institute had asked the U.S. Supreme Court to hold law enforcement officials accountable to knowing and abiding by the rule of law. Justice Sonia Sotomayor, the Court’s lone dissenter, warned that the court’s ruling “means further eroding the Fourth Amendment’s protection of civil liberties in a context where that protection has already been worn down.”
“By refusing to hold police accountable to knowing and abiding by the rule of law, the Supreme Court has given government officials a green light to routinely violate the law,” said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute and author of the award-winning book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State. “This case may have started out with an improper traffic stop, but where it will end—given the turbulence of our age, with its police overreach, military training drills on American soil, domestic surveillance, SWAT team raids, asset forfeiture, wrongful convictions, and corporate corruption—is not hard to predict. This ruling is what I would call a one-way, nonrefundable ticket to the police state.”
In April 2009, a Surry County (N.C.) law enforcement officer stopped a car traveling on Interstate 77, allegedly because of a brake light which at first failed to illuminate and then flickered on. The officer mistakenly believed that state law prohibited driving a car with one broken brake light. In fact, the state traffic law requires only one working brake light. Nevertheless, operating under a mistaken understanding of the law, during the course of the stop, the officer asked for permission to search the car. Nicholas Heien, the owner of the vehicle, granted his consent to a search. Upon the officer finding cocaine in the vehicle, he arrested and charged Heien with trafficking. Prior to his trial, Heien moved to suppress the evidence seized in light of the fact that the officer’s pretext for the stop was erroneous and therefore unlawful. Although the trial court denied the motion to suppress evidence, the state court of appeals determined that since the police officer had based his initial stop of the car on a mistaken understanding of the law, there was no valid reason for the stop in the first place. On appeal, the North Carolina Supreme Court ruled that even though the officer was wrong in concluding that the inoperable brake light was an offense, because the officer’s mistake was a “reasonable” one, the stop of the car did not violate the Fourth Amendment and the evidence resulting from the stop did not need to be suppressed. In weighing in on the case before the U.S. Supreme Court, Rutherford Institute attorneys warn against allowing government agents to “benefit” from their mistakes of law, deliberate or otherwise, lest it become an incentive for abuse.
Affiliate attorney Christopher F. Moriarty assisted The Rutherford Institute in advancing the arguments in the amicus brief before the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Well, it all started in 1913, but perhaps the seeds were planted back in 1861...
Dude, it's always been about money. If you donn't have any, you have no pull in the system.
Picked by our democratically 'elected' President!
No worries, these things eventually work their way to a new normalcy. One need to look no further than the two NYC funerals that were held today.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
8 'supremos' could not see where this is now headed.
Utterly sickening. I'm speechless.
Oh, they know where it's heading. It's all part of the plan. SO I ask: is it time for US to have a plan?!
Invites more of what we have seen of late. Dead citizens and dead cops. Guess that's what they want.
Well probably it will start with inner city blacks. Nobody cares about them so it will be easy to get rid of them while the people "support the cops". Then we'll have to find some other group(s) to go after. The purges will continue until moral improves.
At least that is one way to play it out.
if blacks wanted to help themselves they would have already.
if whites wanted to help themselves, they would have already.
If hispanics, asians...
...you see where I'm going with this?
Humanity is a wash. Better luck next try.
Remind me to buy a few cases of rubber gloves the next time we go to Costco honey... I don't want Sgt. Jellyfinger probing my virgin cornhole unprotected.
It's really funny the way this "cop hating" farce is being spun by the MSM as a racial relations issue. Sure there's the racial component, but lets discuss the real reason people of all color and gender are fed up with LEO.
These fucking roided out A-Holes operate with impunity, and roll into petty theft situations wearning SWAT gear.
They ram and flash bang their ways into innocent civilians homes in the middle of the night.
They use speed traps to target people and then confiscate their money without due-course.
I have respect for honest cops, but they're few and far between. They're trained to react first and ask questions later.
The good news is that there are many more of us than them. A 10:1 rate of (corpse) return Civ:LEO is just as bad as a 100:1 rate of return...from THEIR perspective. In the end, the police state loses in a place like America.
Did you see the crowds at the funeral? There is a lot of support for the police state out there. Be careful not to get caught in a feedback loop. Watch the top rated shows on MSM and get a picture for what a lot of people believe in.
24, for example.
But a lot of the support for the police was in protest against the Mayor. So state v state, which is where I believe the only real pressure point will ever build.
The race thing is just a welcome (intentional?) distraction from the real issue of the erosion of our rights.
The MSM muppets are doing their job and running with it.
What kind of twilight zone have we entered here?
Honest cops? You mean the ones that let the bad ones run amok?
OK, if that is the way they see it, then when pitchforks and torches rule the day, good luck to them
Can I bring my AR-15? My wife won't allow me to affix my bayonet on it anymore, let alone run around with a pitchfork.
Maybe wifey has just a bit too much pull...
Too much suck is more like it!
I can't find a pitchfork that wasn't made in China.
Whodathunkit? The Wise Latina got it right!
So the next time I make a "reasonable" mistake on my taxes, I can claim that I am not ignoring the law, but I just made a "reasonable" mistake given that the tax code is 50,000+ pages, and I can't "reasonably" be expected to know all of it, just like the cops?
Oh I forget, only the cops get that right, the plebes cannot claim ignorance of the law.
I forget, what I am paying taxes for again?
Oh yeah, they hate us for our freedoms. Right.
HA HA. Are you guys still following mad made rules and laws. You all crack me up.
. . . . . and there to meet me was my mama and the G.E.S.T.A.P.O . . . .
btw Air Asia flight QZ 8501 Malaysia travelling from Indonesia to Singapore has gone missing - reports
I may have be went to public school, but what the Hell was that plane doing flying over Ukraine? Have the control tower tapes gone missing again? Why is it easier to find a sober Leprechaun than control tower recordings?
Here's another one, we'll see how it works out.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-27/air-asia-confirms-lost-contact-...
The Malaysian's lost some folks...
That's it! No more mister nice guy. I hope all police pensions get cut by 80%.
Remind the peace office of his oath to the constitution. Tell the peace office you invoke your constitutional rights, ALL of them. Am I free to go?
....anyone ever seen such a sorry bunch of useless shitbag leachfucks as the Supremes?
Thanks for nuthin' assholes.
It wasn't a reasonable mistake. I'm a nobody who has read the vehicle code once and I know you only need one working brake light.
Can we be ingnorant [of the law] if they can be ignorant [of the law]?
No excuses for, ... and all that.
Any ZH'ers in possession of their vehicle's MSO (manufacturers statement of origin)?
Boy they sure as shit want the good ol USA to burn.
Non-profit civil liberties lawfirm sounds like having a public defendant.
When it comes to justice, you only get what you pay for.
Rip usa!
Of couse the Supreme (riotous laughter) court of the government would rule that it's Ok for government thugs to violate the highest law of the land which is supposed to restrict.......government!
FUCK YOU Unsupreme court!
We, as a collective, are becoming sloppy, arrogant, complacent, and dangerously oblivious to what happens as a country gains momentum in the process of becoming a flat out dictatorship. Pretty soon, if not already, mass executions will be the norm. The Sanctity of Life, which, more or less, has been the default in this country over the past 200 plus years, will be totally ignored. At our present trajectory, the use of firing squad(s) as a means to deal with, so called, Constitutionalists, or anyone who challenges the status quo, will be how a fascist police state keeps their form of law and order, in place. We've never seen that in this country on a massively grand scale. But look at Russia in the early 1900's and SE Asia in the latter part of the 1900's...millions. We're on a crash course with oblivion, at the moment, and it's going to get downright medieval, i.e. nasty on the streets. It appears we have passed the point of no return, giving me a real bad feeling about the near future of the country.
Doooood, totally think it through prior to the hysterics.
Our masters in Washington DC are at a loss as what to do with us. On the one hand we refuse to disarm. On the other hand most of America is financially ignorant of the storm on the horizon.
Stupid and well armed is a bad combination for all parties involved.
Just for the record, there are people in DC who are fiscally ignorant (obviously), who think they are better armed than me, who also think they are my master.
Thats a big problem for them, not me, when you think about it ;-)
High supply of Labor, Lots of Competition for Jobs, Downward Pressure on Wages, High Pressure for Fascism... where people will do anything for a job and for money...Moral Hazard in common worker... who often has Debt.
Looks like a plan by wealthy owners of Capital & Factories to keep wages low.
Monopolies are great, but you also want large pools of Labor to Draw from... Open Borders, Off Shore Production, Outsourcing... H1N1 Visas... a population like China concentrated in low paying service industries like restaurants, Hotels, and Retail.
The truth, well said.
And Ignorant Supreme Court Justices can disregard the Constitution if they don't understand it.Apparently.
Amerika is sooooo Fuuuucked.
Gaslighting is what it is called.
Moral Hazard from money offered or high salary & Bonus... no whistleblowers from court judges...
No free Press on this issue either... Espionage Act invoked by DOJ. Despite constitutional right for the Press.
Bankers uber alles . . . .
Supreme Court = Lawyers
Congress = Lawyers
POTUS = Lawyer
Do you see the common denominator?
Liars?
All Bribed by Bankers???
+1
All trained to pervert the law.
Thanks Judge Sonia! The ONLY JUDGE who wont feel the ROPE tightening.
The society we are creating is very safe for machines. For humans, not so much.
The Supreme Court seems to now be #1 threat to Liberty.
Did these people not swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution? Maybe the time draws near to do as the Declaration of Independence directs, that when Government becomes tyrannical, it is our right and duty to alter or abolish it and install new guards to secure our liberties. I do not see anywhere where it says to wait till the next election.
I wrote my congressman, John Culberson, before the last election and told him to immediately get to work on Articles of Impeachment for that jungle monkey and that I would be watching his vote closely, as I was very disappointed he voted against the Amash bill. I saw no action or recieved any response so he lost my vote and I told him so.
I want some politicians with some guts to work to remove the Prez. Disipinary action is in order, and I think our elected officials need a dose of fear. I certainly fear them, especially since the police can now say they were not in class when they gave civics courses.
I'm still in amazement about the Boston Marathon bombing where the police pretty much strong armed their way into private homes searching for a wounded teenager. That bastard would have been apprehended or found bled out in a day or two tops, but that slur on Liberty will become routine.
The state is a failure. I agree with you, but one thing you said that I would differ on, "Maybe the time draws near...", there is no "maybe", the time is now.
Article V Convention, now.
"I wrote my congressman..."
That's funny shit, right there.
"9. CRIMINALS WITH US WILL BE ARRESTED AT THE FIRST, more or less, well-grounded SUSPICION: it cannot be allowed that out of fear of a possible mistake an opportunity should be given of escape to persons suspected of a political lapse of crime, for in these matters we shall be literally merciless...."
Infamous N. 18 -- Arrest of Opponents, Government By Fear
So treat government as they treat you....If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again.
Lie to the liars.
WTF?
!!! !!!
Ignorance of the law is no excuse,
EXCEPT, IF YOU ARE THE POLICE!
Despite that I should know better, I still continue to feel flabbergasted regarding the rate at which the rule of law is being destroyed in the USA by those* who are supposed to uphold that rule of law.
*They are feeding a monster that will eventually grow to become so out of control that it will devour them too ... However, they appear too arrogantly dishonest to be able to foresee those consequences following from their own corruption.
A thought.
This provides a potential cover for Eric Garner's killer.
"I didn't know that chokehold was illegal." On top of ignoring the fact they used violence over a supposed crime comprable to a parking ticket.
You people need to learn how to read a case. There is literally nothing to see here.
Here's all you need to know.
"Darisse asked whether he could search the Escort.
Vasquez said he had no objection, but told Darisse he
should ask Heien, because Heien owned the car. Heien
gave his consent"
He volunteered.
They've already been illegally stopped. The search was going to happen whether they consented or not. Go ahead and try it, get stopped, say no to a search, wait 5 minutes for the dog. get busted.
The search is immaterial. Whether it was against their will is not.
Obviously a juris doctorate you are not.
Let me explain it to you.
In the "court" system they have this thing called precedent. Which means that earlier court decisions are used to steer current court cases.
So, with this decision we now have the Supreme court, and I use that term with a snicker, blessing ALL stops by police whether they have probable cause to stop you or not.
The PRECEDENT set by this case now applies to ALL future court cases.
Got it?!?!
No shit Sherlock. Maybe you should go look up some judicial precedent on consensual searches and how successful people are at overturning the case when they complain after the fact.
While your at it look up dicta and obiter dicta.
PA Supreme Court ruled police can search your car without warrant. Now the US Supreme Court can uphold all those 4th amdt violations because the police were confused by the PA law.
http://www.infowars.com/pennsylvania-cops-no-longer-need-warrants-to-search-vehicles/
It didn't help those two cops in NYC. They are just asking for more if they continue to try to erode the Constitution. If they keep it up, soon there will be much smarter dudes looking for revenge, not just crack heads.
Hopefully they learn.
I'm a Juris Doctor. Indio is right. Sure, the precedent regarding the fact that a legally baseless stop can't be used as a basis to throw out subsequently obtained evidence will stand. However, DO NOT VOLUNTEER TO CONSENT! If he hadn't volunteered, the case might have even gone the other way. The reason being that the court isn't going to stand in the way of cops thinking something is a crime and then asking people if they can search. However, the court might stand in the way of cops thinking something is a crime and then forcibly searching on that (false) premise.
So now they don't have to have accurate probable-cause, but just be convincing enough liars to pull you, a loved one, or friend, over to harass, rob, maim, and/or kill you. Of course they are already pretty good liars, so the bar has just been moved even lower for the petty tyrants and psychopaths in uniform.
To the gun and badge thugs you, your loved ones, and friends, are only dangerous Golden Geese to be plucked, dead or alive, as there are always more Golden Geese to be had in the next traffic stop or SWAT raid.
The banksters need to repay us.
I propose that January 15th. be the annual "Police Raid Free Day." On that day, people, and their families, can recline safe in their homes, relax in the tub, and sleep til dawn, knowing that a "standard issue" won't be coming to kick in their door, shoot their pets, rob their possessions, and fondle their women. What say others?
I agree with most of what you said.
However, I have one correction. You said "Of course they are already pretty good liars"
In reality they are PROFFESSIONAL LIARS.
So right you are.
The banksters need to repay us.
Time to pay the fiddler.
Time to pay the fiddler.
"All of me
Why not take all of me
Can't you see
I'm no good without you
Take my [rights]
I want to lo[]se them
Take my arms
I'll never use them
..."
The rule of law has lost its meaning.
Sorry, but a bunch of black robes don't decide what rights any man does, or does not have.
Of course not.
And you can always assert your rights, by responding with force, against the force that they'll use while asserting their activities under Probable Cause:
"We had Probable Cause, and the Accused resisted us with force. At this point we had to use overwhelming force, to protect ourselves."
Fuck the Police.
Nothing changes until K Street burns.
Not all K street types are evil; some are ZHers. And S.Ct. is on 1 First Street.
Do you think the odds of a Supreme or 2 getting dead just went up?
You bring up a good point. They are the head of this rotten snake.
The whole world leadership is goose stepping right in line together behind the globalists. It is easy to see the sellouts when they contribute to the infringement upon our individual freedoms. Traitor is too good a word. A new term needs to be introduced into the global lexicon for these filth
Supreme courts, Presidents, Prime Ministers you name it they'll all criminals and traitors not only to their citizens and countries but to the entire global community
Its one thing to have your freedom of speech stripped away for talking about Fukushima under the guise of national security. But now you can't even talk about pussy power. This coming from the country that brings you the annual Penises on Parade aka Kanamara Matsuri
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/12/24/national/crime-legal/vagina-...
"The Penis is evil! The Penis shoots Seeds, and makes new Life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it was."
Long live Vagina. And V for victory
Seems like our politicians and justices follow the same standard concerning the constitution.
Somebody call the police. The United States is being attacked by the Federal Government.
Somewhat OT, but connected loosely....
Just returned from holiday trip with extended in-law clan. Really got into it last night about critical thinking, not believing everything gov't tells you, etc, and was absolutely outraged at the complacency of these people. Two nephews are recent college graduates and they are spewing the garbage you expect from the establishment. No critical thinking. They were aghast at my claim that government statistics are manipulated like CPI and GDP. Couldn't begin to wrap their heads around the possibility that the Fed is not acting in people's best interest (2% inflation is good for us??). Had no idea about the debt problems and what's ahead.
I'm fucking fed up. I'm doing well in this contrived economy, but I still am hoping for a reset. Yes, it might very well be ugly, but I have come a very long way over the past 3 years and am far more ready than many, many others, including my village idiot in-laws. I'm sick of being the nut-job. It's incredibly petty, but I imagine a day when things have gone Mad Max and they show up at my door looking for a hand out and I get to tell them to Fuck Off! (and while I'm at it, a special "FUCK YOU!" to a particular sister-in-law).
It's a lonely road to travel. I've even questioned my own sanity at times. Like you, we are all tired of being marginalized because we don't buy the bullshit. We will win when we all lose. What a grand prize. I too have a few special "Fuck You"s saved for the particularly arrogant and abrasive ones.
So I take it none of you have incorporated yourselves as of yet? Corporations are people to ( wink )
Imagine if a corporation claimed ignorance of the law as a defense on their tax audit.
It is now very clear that American citizens must assert their civil liberties through civil disobedience to unjust legislation. The Constitutional errosion of the rights paradigm must not be tolerated
whatsoever IMHO. One can now fully understand just exactly why
the founding fathers instituted a right to bear arms for self protection
against an unconstitutional force of a corrupt police state.
NOTE: The United States of American has gone full retard for the entire World to witness. What could possibly be next on the state agenda for average Americans?
Third year in a row donating to this fine organization. They could use all the help possible. Judical Watch has done some very good work as well.
Moronic. The US justice system just keeps making the targets on police, judges and politicians bigger. Dumb.
I'd really love to see what side of the Aisle/Isle you're on.
You're comment is really vague.
How do you figure it is vague?
Are you suggesting political and law enforcement figures are being "unfairly" targeted?
El Capitan "MoonBeam" , I'm waiting for an answer?
I thought not. All 21weeks and 3days of your wisdom?
Enjoy your pension while it lasts. ;-)
The Constitution states that we the people have a duty to fight against and remove anyone who goes against our Constitution. So although those particular officers might have been good guys (who knows), they are unfortunately part of a group of criminals and tyrants who are trying to slowly but surely erode the Constitution, along with judges and politicians.
So according to the words in our own Constitution, the targeting is not only "fair", but absolutely mandatory.
And in answer to your question, I am on the side of human freedom. I believe that *anyone* who tries to take away humans' freedom should be removed with extreme prejudice, to grow and preserve freedom for all, for the entire planet. For humans to accept anything less is absurd. Who ever said that one human had the right to rule over and subjugate another? None of us should be tolerating any of these infringements.
Godspeed to the rebels.
Once again? I can't tell what side you're on.
You're just obfiscating certain pieces of the constitution to fit your agenda and throwing a bone to to the people that probably would hang you, if they knew you were LEO.
No~one is condoning a ruler/dictator. I think you need to reaccess the definition of leadership and enforcement.
I can't tell your side either.
Mine is simple: cops, judges, and politicians all need to start reversing the anti-Constitution things they are doing, before they induce a war where they are on the losing side due to the numbers.
Ignoring the Constitution leads to tyranny and we must prevent that at all costs.
I am definitely not a LEO, if I were, I would have long since quit for my own safety.
Ok you are in fight club mode with Yen and I have been as well some years back. Yen is a good guy and perhaps you are too. Only two men to a fight until you state things like this moonlight.
"Ignoring the Constitution leads to tyranny and we must prevent that at all costs."
That is completely ass backwards. Have you actually read the document? Read this again if you have. Based upon what you have said it appears that you fail to realize the Constitution IS what creates tyranny. I used to believe in the Constitution and the whole Ron Paul thing but I finally realized that the constitution IS the problem because it enables them. I have given much though to the matter over many years and I already that there one thing that they fear the most and is gun ownership. Hands dow, they are shitless of that concept but the Constitutions does not really protect that right. We protect our rights. Here is why, .gov employees do not want a real fight: They only want a paycheck and benefits and that is all. They could give a shit less about your rights or what the law is. Forget that bullshit.
The problem is that cops are not neccessarily bad folks but they are trying to survive on our dime and that has created an issue. I'm the kind who think that shooting a cop is a good idea but I also do not think that I should have pay for this gang of thugs to rampant. What about my children? Cops children are better than mine? And then I am supposed to pay for retirement benefits? I have issue with that mentality and it is just plain wrong.
What was wrong just having a Sheriiff and Deputy? Now there are cops of one sort or another everywhere. See something say something. Well, I see a lot of cop cars running around for no good reason.
The ENDS JUSTIFY the MEANS
Most use it as an excuse to achieve their goals through any means necessary, no matter how immoral, illegal or unpleasant the means may be.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/ends-justify-means.html#ixzz3NAfUlOOM Not a country I'm interested in fighting for, count me out.Well that's a wrap folks, I will never again set foot on American soil.
Way past whacked , but nothig new in USSA today !
How can the police claim be totally ignorant of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
So make the fuckers from now on take a Constitutional and tolerance course as part of their training to be a cop and make them sign a statement that says they are knowledgeable and accountable the people's law and shove it in their faces every single time they violate it, under pain of incarceration.
That's the same feeling I'm getting. These LEO clowns think the DOJ has their backs and they can do what ever they want.
They have no sense of justice, just what the script says they can get away with.
This guy above says the DOJ is taking away LEO athority and putting them at risk? That guy should be put in the boneyard.
What a fucking idiot! Local police need lateral decision making skills, and some leeway to make decisions.
The DOJ is foolish to think they can desseminate authority on a local level for simple infractions, and disturbances.
GWB Administration issued a Constitution training day for federal gov't employees and the unions put up such a stink that the training was canceled.
The ignorance was over the law about broken tail lights. The Fourth Amendment was not violated because the driver said yes to the search. I say the driver was an idiot.
Worse, how can a "traffic cop" be ignorant of the most basic state law regarding automobiles?
I thought it was settled in court law that ignorance of a law is never a defense.
Since when do judges follow the law? Go up against a member of the police in court and learn how biased judges are.
Are you kidding me?
No, I know many good cops, some good judges, and a few good politicians.
But don't misread me, the ones who are trampling our Constitution... I am looking forward to seeing them swing.
There are a lot of good judges out there, just like there are good cops, and even politicians, but again, it comes down to guilt by association.
I'm curious? When you wake up in the morning, do you need (2) mirrors to shave?
If "guilt by association" were a prerequisite for any type of enforcement, we wouldn't need laws in the first place.
You are splitting hairs but it is keeping me humored.
This phenomenon we are seeing transcends laws. Maybe you are LE and that is why you can't get past your fixation on laws? The People don't give a damn about unconstitutional laws. Watch the news, they are ready to blow the whole thing up.
So when cops are killing unarmed people like that bum in the NM desert, and that fat Garner fk, no law is going to save the gang of killers from the people. Every person with a soul wanted to kill a cop after watching that Garner kid get choked, and then the killer cop was set to run free.
Personally I think that Mike Brown kid should be dug up and shot again for what he did to that shop owner. But other true innocents have been getting killed by out of control cops and it will not be tolerated by the people. Judgement is at hand right now on the streets. I don't think it can be stopped either.
That said, those cops handing out money are making a go at improving relations. Some are getting the message loud and clear that they need to change their respect for the Constitution, as it looks like their lives depend on it.
Captain Moonlight-
And there are some rotting mother fucking judges as well..
Did my part to catch this piece of shit....he wanted me dead according to wire taps...he would have been charged with conspiracy to commit murder but he said " I want him hurt worse than that" instead of dead.
Fuck You Ronnie !!! Fucked with the wrong dude!!!!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Bodenheimer
Share something with my Fight Club peeps
I had a judge frame me with drugs...
He served his time
Loooooong story..in that part of my life...
Wow, I salute you man.
Thanks
I hate corrupt politicians and law enforcrment
All you have to have is a run-in with ONE bad cop or bad judge, and it'll ruin your WHOLE LIFE.
There is NO ROOM in the world for bad judges or bad cops, any more than there is room for failed revolutionaries.
I have, and won..remember most LEO's have very low IQ's. They are not paid to think.
Police Officer... I didn't know it was illegal to shoot him dead.
OK then off you go, you are free, don't do it again, OK?
No probs, next time I will stab or beat him to death, I haven't been told that is illegal yet.
It is inevitable that in the USA that at some stage the police will be seen as just another criminal gang on the street, to be avoided at all cost.
Their role not to serve the law, protect the people....only to ensure the public remain subuded and powerless.
In certain areas this already holds true. It wont be long til white men fear da police every bit as much as the black man already does.
Horizontilization, the lot of them.
Clearly you prefer guillotines to hanging. I can live with that. The important point is... they can't. And that's what matters.
I've ruled that the Supreme Court [sic] means less than dog excrement, and so I ignore them.
Lin S....keep fighting the good fight. Got contact request, but I don't accept. No offense, but I'm too paranoid.
No problem, I understand. I am adding a few folks here who've encouraged me over time so I remember who never to agitate or offend.
Peace! = )
Cops are all hunters and their pray is the two legged type.
You are the prey, avoid the cops.
Keep your car maintained, licensed insured, walk around it before you get in it and drive it.
Never give a cop permission to search your car.
Don't keep drugs in your car and think about the "friends" you drive around with.
Lawyer up with the biggest pain in the ass lawyer you can find before you get screwed by the police state
Only give a cop your esential info (name, rank serial number, pitbull lawyer card) and then
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Except for asking if you are free to go.
‘When the officer is gyrating a broom handle in your bung, it’ll go a lot easier and faster if ya just relax.’
You offer coping skills. LOL
The South was right!
I wish I could give you 10 times the up arrow on that comment!!! Where I live now the older locals call the Civil War the "War of Nrthern Agression" !!
I live inthe South. Most hicks and rednecks down here would be fine with what happened to this guy.....if he was black, Latinio, or Middle eastern. If you think any different your head is up your ass.
Plenty of ghetto hicks, including those who are living in the rural areas and if you think they're any more reverent of Constitutional rights, then your head is up your ass.
As a proud Son of.Confederate.Veterans, I endorse.your comment.
It has been my experience that we truly have but one "right" the right to remain silent, that is of course, as long as your not a journalist protecting a source.
These days, remaining silent is a reason tomsuspect you of wrong doing and search/shoot you.
This is correct. One must actively assert one's right to remain silent and the right to avoid self-incrimination.
Twenty illegals on a street corner, and they won't investigate.
But they'll have no problem pulling over an expensive car because they know they can get city revenue from you.
Ignorance of the law is no excus. Ever.
But apparently, ignorance is.
Ignorance is strength!
Lea
Never an excuse for the government because the government is tasked with enforcing
the "laws".
The government should never be allowed to practice for itself a double standard of enforcement or abiding by those laws.
As for citizens, the maze, complexity, and even self-contradiction of some laws (e.g. IRS) should allow consideration of INTENT, and therefore degree of guilt. I would even recommend, in some cases, considering such in assessing the degree of guilt as individuals for government agents.
But to allow government, for any reason, to legally have the fruit of a poisoned tree is diabolic.
Four words that just might work... "I'm cool. I'm cool"
How sweet, you people think the man with the gun is the servant of the people, where i come from the goy with the gun is the master, those without guns are the servants.
I am very bullish on pitchforks and guillotines.
If you place enough cocaine into your car that you can be convicted of trafficking -- then is it really smart to say 'yes' when a policeman asks to search your car?
I bought a small bottle of whiskey the other day for a Xmas recipe and the clerk asked if I wanted a bag. I replied that with what police can do today I definitely want a bag.
If you are in your car then do not leave anything suspicious out where a cop can see it or you invite a search - legal or not. And if the cop finds something it's now a simple matter for then to grab their nightstick and take out your tail light!
Just as late George Carlin puts it, judges are owned by the real owners of this fucking place.
Uhh, gee, I did not know we were not supposed to shoot unarmed civilians.
I thought you guys said any American was the Enemy!
But did the court rule that a defendant is to be held to a higher standard? It won't be long until they are hearing the same excuse from a defendant, sighting this precedent, if they didn't.
If they did make that distinction it would be obvious to include it in the article to show the total corruption of the court...which we know is true. If they didn't...I doubt we have to wait long until they do say that we are officially held to a higher standard than the "legal system" itself.