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2015 Will Be All About Iran, China And Russia
Authored by Pepe Escobar, originally posted at Sputnik News,
Fasten your seatbelts; 2015 will be a whirlwind pitting China, Russia and Iran against what I have described as the Empire of Chaos.
So yes – it will be all about further moves towards the integration of Eurasia as the US is progressively squeezed out of Eurasia. We will see a complex geostrategic interplay progressively undermining the hegemony of the US dollar as a reserve currency and, most of all, the petrodollar.
For all the immense challenges the Chinese face, all over Beijing it's easy to detect unmistakable signs of a self-assured, self-confident, fully emerged commercial superpower. President Xi Jinping and the current leadership will keep investing heavily in the urbanization drive and the fight against corruption, including at the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Internationally, the Chinese will accelerate their overwhelming push for new 'Silk Roads' – both overland and maritime – which will underpin the long-term Chinese master strategy of unifying Eurasia with trade and commerce.
Global oil prices are bound to remain low. All bets are off on whether a nuclear deal will be reached by this summer between Iran and the P5+1. If sanctions (actually economic war) against Iran remain and continue to seriously hurt its economy, Tehran’s reaction will be firm, and will include even more integration with Asia, not the West.
Washington is well-aware that a comprehensive deal with Iran cannot be reached without Russia’s help. That would be the Obama administration’s sole – and I repeat – sole foreign policy success. A return to the “Bomb Iran” hysteria would only suit the proverbial usual (neo-con) suspects. Still, by no accident, both Iran and Russia are now subject to Western sanctions. No matter how it was engineered, the fact that stands is that the current financial/strategic oil price collapse is a direct attack against (who else?) Iran and Russia.
That derivative war
Now let’s take a look at Russian fundamentals. Russia’s government debt totals only 13.4% of its GDP. Its budget deficit in relation to GDP is only 0.5%. If we assume a US GDP of $16.8 trillion (the figure for 2013), the US budget deficit totals 4% of GDP, versus 0.5% for Russia. The Fed is essentially a private corporation owned by regional US private banks, although it passes itself off as a state institution. US publicly held debt is equal to a whopping 74% of GDP in fiscal year 2014. Russia’s is only 13.4%.
The declaration of economic war by the US and EU on Russia – via the run on the ruble and the oil derivative attack – was essentially a derivatives racket. Derivatives – in theory – may be multiplied to infinity. Derivative operators attacked both the ruble and oil prices in order to destroy the Russian economy. The problem is, the Russian economy is more soundly financed than America's.
Considering that this swift move was conceived as a checkmate, Moscow’s defensive strategy was not that bad. On the key energy front, the problem remains the West’s – not Russia’s. If the EU does not buy what Gazprom has to offer, it will collapse.
Moscow’s key mistake was to allow Russia's domestic industry to be financed by external, dollar-denominated debt. Talk about a monster debt trap which can be easily manipulated by the West. The first step for Moscow should be to closely supervise its banks. Russian companies should borrow domestically and move to sell their assets abroad. Moscow should also consider implementing a system of currency controls so the basic interest rate can be brought down quickly.
And don’t forget that Russia can always deploy a moratorium on debt and interest, affecting over $600 billion. That would shake the entire world's banking system to the core. Talk about an undisguised “message” forcing the US/EU economic warfare to dissolve.
Russia does not need to import any raw materials. Russia can easily reverse-engineer virtually any imported technology if it needs to. Most of all, Russia can generate — from the sale of raw materials – enough credit in US dollars or euros. Russia's sale of its energy wealth — or sophisticated military gear — may decline. However, they will bring in the same amount of rubles — as the ruble has also declined.
Replacing imports with domestic Russian manufacturing makes total sense. There will be an inevitable “adjustment” phase – but that won’t take long. German car manufacturers, for instance, can no longer sell their cars in Russia due to the ruble's decline. This means they will have to relocate their factories to Russia. If they don’t, Asia – from South Korea to China — will blow them out of the market.
Bear and dragon on the prowl
The EU's declaration of economic war against Russia makes no sense whatsoever. Russia controls, directly or indirectly, most of the oil and natural gas between Russia and China: roughly 25% of the world's supply. The Middle East is bound to remain a mess. Africa is unstable. The EU is doing everything it can to cut itself off from its most stable supply of hydrocarbons, prompting Moscow to redirect energy to China and the rest of Asia. What a gift for Beijing – as it minimizes the alarm about the US Navy playing with "containment" across the high seas.
Still, an unspoken axiom in Beijing is that the Chinese remain extremely worried about an Empire of Chaos losing more and more control, and dictating the stormy terms of the relationship between the EU and Russia. The bottom line is that Beijing would never allow itself to be in a position where the US could interfere with China's energy imports – as was the case with Japan in July 1941 when the US declared war by imposing an oil embargo, cutting off 92% of Japanese oil imports.
Everyone knows a key plank of China’s spectacular surge in industrial power was the requirement for manufacturers to produce in China. If Russia did the same, its economy would be growing at a rate of over 5% per year in no time. It could grow even more if bank credit was tied only to productive investment.
Now imagine Russia and China jointly investing in a new gold, oil and natural resource-backed monetary union as a crucial alternative to the failed debt "democracy" model pushed by the Masters of the Universe on Wall Street, the Western central bank cartel, and neoliberal politicians. They would be showing the Global South that financing prosperity and improved standards of living by saddling future generations with debt was never meant to work in the first place.
Until then, a storm will be threatening our very lives – today and tomorrow. The Masters of the Universe/Washington combo won’t give up their strategy to make Russia a pariah state cut off from trade, the transfer of funds, banking and Western credit markets and thus prone to regime change.
Further on down the road, if all goes according to plan, their target will be (who else) China. And Beijing knows it. Meanwhile, expect a few bombshells to shake the EU to its foundations. Time may be running out – but for the EU, not Russia. Still, the overall trend won’t be altered; the Empire of Chaos is slowly but surely being squeezed out of Eurasia.
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A constitutional congress? That's the last thing we need! Every other aspect of the US political system has been utterly corrupted, and a CC will be corrupted as well. The danger of a CC is that everything is subject to change. EVERYTHING.
To replace one foreign national with another is foolish.
Fuck that shit, you moron.
Well, first off, I have trouble taking anybody named "Pepe" seriously-- particularly as a geopolitical analyst-- but that's just a personal quirk.
But let's take the Pepster at his word. Since US/EU sanctions are doing Russia so much good, let's quadruple them and really help Grandmother Putin and Mini-Xi out a lot rather than just a little.
What a dumb comment.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/business/2015-01/01/c_133891830.htm
Not a lot of $ but a trend nonetheless.
Iran is a capable country and alignment with Russia and China is needed for its survival.
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/inside-iran-city-life.html
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/iranian-made-cars.htm
How is it that everyone but the US, Israel and the Saudis can do business with a Muslim country like Iran?
Could it be that the Persians don't go for the Fed's/Tribe's "Usury Dollar", or CIA's way of topping regimes? They got brass balls.
Israel does do business with Iran. Israelis luuv Iranian pistachios so there is a scam involving a middleman allowing Israelis to have their pistachios and eat them too.
The best pistachios and caviar in the world come from Iran.
The elites are not going to forgo them.
Love the way Pepe casually corrects 'acceptef' world history with the truth of the US
declaring war on Japan first.
Why is it dumb? He's calling for Russia, China, and Iran to move closer together and become a single Eurasian bloc. This process, he admits, is being driven by US/EU sanctions, or at least accelerated by them. He claims that sanctions are turning Russia into a self-sufficient empire, which is all to the good in his view.
Since the good folks at "Sputnik News" are now thought leaders for the ZH crowd, we should pick up on their idea and help them to achieve their goal as rapidly as possible.
Or are you suggesting that Pepe is full of shit and that sanctions actually hurt Russia?
They're already doing that.
It's not a claim, but an observable fact. Russia is turning away from the dollar, and so are the other emergent economies.
Firstly, who's "we"? Do you deludedly believe the average person in US/NATO states has the slimmest slither of a say in their major policies? Or is it a more vague "we" in the sense of "we're all enjoying the company picnic", referring to the individual, the collective, the majority or the minority depending upon the situation?
Secondly, if "we" thought it was possible to ramp up the sanctions even more, we would have done so already. The only reason we haven't is that doing so will hurt us a lot more than Russia.
The further they turn away, the more their currency drops.
Really? Maybe the EU should boycott Russian oil and gas.
"Why is it dumb?"
Maybe because a dumb person wrote it.
I'd merely suggest that we are looking at it from different viewpoints. I simply took "thought leader" PeePee's argument to its logical conclusion.
"I simply took "thought leader" PeePee's argument to its logical conclusion."
Pepe is pronounced 'peypey', like in "menial" or "Petrarch". It's a latino name, despite the fact he's Brazilian.
And there's no cure for stupid.
This this is is double double land land.
I'd sing the song too, but you get the idea.
Clearly, the concept of sarcasm and ridicule is lost upon you. But you continue to validate my original humorous suggestion anyhow.
If the sanctions are hurting us worse than they are hurting them, then they should in fact be begging us to hit them harder, right? Because it hurts us worse, right?
Can you explain how one nation diplomatically begs another nation to put more sanctions upon them?
No I just ignored your application of them.
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Really?
Try voting on this one...
Starting a post with the Blockquote, the symbol " on the menu, "disables" direct voting.
But voting can still be done by scrolling the menu. It is just a pain in the ass.
Why do you care? Who the fuck is here for social validation anyway?
This is not "Echo Box" or "Agreement Club".
This is Fight Club and I am just here to fuck other people's lies up.
And expose the US Government, as well as EVERY GOVERNMENT, for the pedophile Satanic Cults which they are.
So hopefuly you are not worshipping any of those beasts, those antichrists. Hopefully you are not placing any faith into the demonic actions of the psychopaths involved.
Collapse baby collapse.
If others agree then I am fine with that. They are still targets for destruction by Satan's minions.
And if they do not then they are fodder for Satan's destruction and deluded.
Destruction is the outcome of the predicament. There is NO HOPE.
It is a glitch.
The United States of America... a global force for global force!
Yes, those Vietnamese and Filipinos and Koreans and Burmese and Indians and Taiwanese are all rootin for mini-Xi to come rescue them from the clutches of the evil Great Satan.
I'd list the ones on the Russian front but that page is missing from my old atlas. Still, you can imagine that the list of countries that want the USA on their land rather than Russia/China is limited largely to-- anyone who is neighbors with Russia and China.
The Iraqis love having Americans over there. I'm sure the Pakis love those American drones too LOL
I'm a little out of touch with developments in Iraq, but the last I heard, they were begging us to come back. Maybe you have fresher intel on that.
The Pakis take the good with the bad. They love American money and military hardware, and would be at the complete mercy of India if we were to withdraw our support-- which I personally support, by the way. Ergo, they shriek a bit about dinging the tribesmen but every nation does stuff for domestic consumption.
There are a lot of countries who were on the Yankee, go home bandwagon until they got a good look at who the new boss was likely to be. Now they're marching in the Yankee, come back parade.
Countries on the border of both Russia and China seem to have definitely done some hard thinking about who they do and do not want dating their daughters.
Everybody loves money. I'm sure they would love free Euros or Pesos too
You're a little out of touch with reality
Russia and China have been joined at the hip since the Korean War. But the Russian and Chinese press said they had a border dispute at a bend in the Amur River in the early 60's, without any Western corroboration, and brainiacs like you, tarabel, ate it up because you WANTED it to be true.
Just like all the other Western jingoists. Also known as the Convocation of Morons.
Oh, I'm not denying the relationship, biddy. In fact, I think it will grow immesaurably, but to Russia's detriment. Increasingly, it only has one place to sell its stuff and that is to China.
But China has many places from which to buy. This means that Russia will pay China's price and is effectively the junior partner in the firm of which it was once the CEO. Quite the downfall for the former CCCP, which at least was a proud and menacing empire and a distinct civilization. Now it is just going to sell off its military technology to China on the same terms that Bill Gates got. He made the observation that you can sell one of anything to China.
Other than that, their new role in the world is as China's captive extraction colony and the land where the new Chinese rails will be laid in order to access Europe. Just as Russia once forced the Chinesee Eastern Railway down the throats of the decrepit Chinese Empire, now the wheel has turned.
Really? I guess the Europeans will no longer need Russian NG and oil. Maybe they'll find a stable source by piping it through a Muslim dictatorship like Turkey. Oh boy you're too dull for this.
Ever heard of PLUTO?
Well, the Russians have. They call their version the North Stream.
Normally I stop at one "uber record low.". I do freely admit I can't help making fun of Poopie. But he is the worlds only true Dear Leader too...which makes it interesting that so many want to do business with him.
That guy ready, able and willing to launch that first strike. That alone should give folks pause about " a man we can do business with."
So far the politics of Putin have been going great though.
If those numbers start to dive however....
it is so pathetic to watch you grasp at straws.
China will do absolutely nothing to weaken its relationship with Russia, to the benefit of the United States. Why is that so difficult for you to understand. Without any evidence, you are projecting your wishes onto the Russian Chinese relationship of over 60 years.
My feeling is that both Russia and China were prepared for everything that NATO/US threw at Russia when it took back -- and intends to hold -- Crimea the way that England holds Gibraltar and the Malvinas.
Not only were they prepared for the assault on the rouble, they probably welcomed it. As their preparation for using it for trade with the BRICS and countries friendly with them.
Someone was buying the rouble all the way down from 34 to the dollar to 80 to the dollar. Then they let it retreat back to 59 to the dollar today.
As the weeks and months go by -- Rome didn't go bankrupt in a day -- Russia and China and BRICS will control most of the rouble in circulation outside of Russia and at some point they will start buying it in earnest paying the ask, and the speculators who think like you and shorted it down from 32 and were too greedy to cover at 80.... Well, you've been there; you've done that.
And then when most of the foreign circulated roubles are in their hands, when Russia sells its oil and titanium etc and China sells all its remarkable exports,
THEY DEMAND LETTERS OF CREDIT DENOMINATED IN YUAN AND ROUBLES. AND THE IMPORTERS AND CENTRAL BANK OF TARABELISTAN HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUY ROUBLES AND YUAN TO PAY THE LETTERS OF CREDIT.
PRETTY FUNNY HONEY.
And, tarabel, don't expect this to happen by Valentine's Day or even April Fool's Day. It's gonna happen when the last Western sucker shorts the last rouble contract.
So it's true. You bought a ticket to ride the Chinanooga Choo Choo.
All aboard, sweetheart. woo woo
What does China have that the USA needs?
Not that I want the relationship to change. Just saying I haven't shopped in Wal Mart in years. Sure...Wal Street (tm) needs China....
Its manufacturing, previously its own.
You have no concept how difficult it will be to recreate it here again.
Another few years and it may even be impossible.
People I talk to don't really understand that. They think we will just restart manufacturing here. How long would it take to get the factories online, staffed with competent people to run them? 10 years? 20 years?
Interesting follow up to your mention of the Malvinas. The Russians have leased a load of Su-24 Fencers to Argentina. The Brits are now spitting/crapping. They could barely afford to take on the Argentinians in the 1980's, now even less so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x20_AeoTOnY
Uh-oh,
the last time Argentina had it's tit caught in the wringer it had to drum up some support on the home front.
Are we going to have that Malvinas/ Falklands discussion again?
I better add to the popcorn stores.
Who cares? By all means down arrow too.
Cranky New Year..
How would airpower have helped the Belgrano ?
Retracted.
How do you quadruple sanctions? LMAO
Maybe the EU should boycott Russian oil and gas to teach them a lesson
1) Extend sanctions to other industrial segments of the economy. Pay the Ukrainian defense industry to not produce weapons and critical weapon components for export through third parties to Russia. Stop all technology transfers and end all joint ventures in all industries.
2) They aren't building LNG terminals as a form of Chinese-style stimulus spending, mon ami. Getting rid of the Russian energy homonculus takes a little time but the wheels are turning, as you yourself will admit.
1. You dimwits are hilariously delusional. Where will this money come from to fund the entire Ukraine? They can't even fund Greece. Ukraine cuts off trade with Russia? I guess they can live in the stone age with no gas or electricity.
2. LNG terminals to replace gas pipelines? You're even dumber than I thought. You really think the entire EU can be supplied through LNG? Do you realize how much gas goes through those pipelines each day? Now you're going to supercool the same amount of gas and transport it by ships? In the meantime, I guess the EU can shut down for the next five years or so until enough LNG terminals and ships are built.
Keep smoking that crackpipe and come back with some more jokes, little boy. We can always count on your to fill up any thread with stupidity
1) I may be a little fuzzy about this but I seem to recall that about 250 billion euros has already been spent on Greek bailouts, so the question is one of willpower rather than cash.
2) When last I looked, Russia only supplied about 40% of the EU natural gas supply. Other pipelines are also underway-- ones that do not carry Russian gas. Here's a little gentleman's bet for you-- the EU will import less gas from Russia next year than this year, and will import even less the year after that. What say you to that proposition? This is the largest market in the world and Russia is going to be squeezed out of it. Both sides are running the same bet. Russia bets that it can become China's supplier of choice before its Euro business dries up. Europe is betting that it can develop alternatives before Russia turns them off. Russia cannot turn off Europe both bcause it needs their money and because that would show the Chinese that they are an unreliable energy provider.
3) I may be small and on the rock, but I have not gotten so fried as to start believing that the tyrannical triumvirate of Russia, China, and Iran are going to rule the world in my lifetime. Russia, in particular, is the Land of Unrealized Promise. If only Napoleon had won, they might have had a chance to be something other than the cat's paw of several centuries' worth of despotism.
I'm sure another $250 billion per year for the next 5 years to bail out Ukraine won't be a problem for the Germans LOL
Only 40%. So I guess EU productivity can be cut by only 40% without any problems. Which other pipelines will get to Germany and Poland without going through Russia? How many years will that take? How much is a little less? 1%? Is that supposed to make a difference? I suppose in the meantime the EU can wait for those LNG terminals and 40,000 new ships to be built to transport LNG at 500% the price of piped NG from Russia. I'm sure they can afford that along with funding Ukraine and providing them with coal and LNG at the same time. After all, the EU economy is booming with record unemployment in Italy, Greece, France, and Spain. The 100 or so new LNG gasification plants needed to supply the EU will only cost about $1 trillion. After that, they can rely on more stable sources of NG, such as the Middle East and North Africa.
I really don't care about Russia, just pointing out reality to you Goldman Ballsack lickers. The EU and USA are old and dying and full of debt. The next generation of "Americans" and "Europeans" will be of Mestizo, African, and Arab stock. I'm not so fried as to believe that Africans, Mestizos, and Arabs will rule the world in my lifetime.
Also, it sure seems like the White Russians are about to jump off the SS Putin as well.
Only 40%? Only? What in the fuck are you smoking? Only?
And you do realize that China has a bigger economy than the US? and more people than Europe and the US combined right?
You have such a 20th century, US-centric view of the world.
You guys are all sure obsessed about what I'm smoking. The power of suggestion from one comment to the next, I suppose.
1) That 40% represents the high water mark for Russia and it will decline steadily here on out. Some countries are highly dependent on Russian gas, while others have virtually no exposure. The ones who are most exposed are also the ones who are working hardest to cut the apron strings. Surely you can admit that.
2) China does not have a bigger economy that the US. If you want to stake your claim on UN PPP bullshit, go right ahead. China has a larger poipulation, sure. But since you want to stack China's people against the US and EU, it seems only fair to add up their composite GDPs against China's, don't you think? What is that, approximately? 36-38 trillion to 12?
3) I prefer facts, so far as I can get them. Many of you seem fascinated at the idea of a post-American world and believe that it would be a nicer place. Much as I would like to see things change from their current state, I am not willing to wreck the ship just to see if a new one floats better. Particularly one that is built on a Russia-China-Iran paradigm. Things will not significantly change without one hell of a war. As a historian, I hesitate to recommend that alternative to the present mess-- although I regard it as practically inevitable at this point.
Dont forget that LNG gas is four times more expensive than pipeline gas.also the pipeline they are building (nabucco) will only bring in an extra 16 billion cubic metres.
Lol. Putin's approval is like 80%.
The only approval number that matters in White Russia (aka Belarus) is the one inside their dictator's head.
So, if I understand you correctly, you are willing to submit to any policy of your government that carries an 80% approval rate?
"So, if I understand you correctly, you are willing to submit to any policy of your government that carries an 80% approval rate?"
And you seem to mistake freedom and pavolvian conflict with whoever has spoken last. It's the position of a spoiled brat, not of an adult. What about freedom being the right to agree with whoever you like best or has the best point, even if it means you will be on the same side as 80% of the population?
You're the pure product of American eternal adolescent/ultra-liberal thought: you can't think but in terms of social division, power rhetorics and strife, hence your confusing a social cohesion you don't know anything about, and can't understand, with conformism or dictatorship.
Is there a cure? Travel a little bit more, get to know different cultures and you might find out.
"Pay the Ukrainian defense industry to not produce weapons and critical weapon components for export through third parties to Russia"
You do realize that almost all of the manufacturing is in the east, which the Ukraine military is happily bombing to smithereens. Some firms once based there have moved lock, stock, and barrel into Russia, where they can trade and profit without fear of being blown up.
You must be writing satire. Your ideas are so out there and unreasonable.
Else they should deny the Russians those precious Euros and make them take payments in Barbaric Relic bricks.
- tarabel - Pepe Escobar has BEEN PLACES in a serious way. Have you?
You guys are so much fun to play with. Utterly automatic in your reactions and complete slaves to a series of "thought leaders".
Press this button and get this reaction. Guaranteed. I'm sure your thought leaders appreciate your fidelity to their guidance.
As you parrot every bullshit argument that comes out of the US government.
Hey now, it's a game of one-on-twenty-four and you guys are calling me a parrot?
I disagree with your "thought leader". You keep trying to assign me to the camp of some other "thought leader" so that we can compete as equals.
You mistakenly think we all agree with the author, when in fact we just all agree that you are a disingenuous US government shill. And you act like a child.
Be so kind as to indicate where you don't agree with the author and I will think much more highly of you. i will even withdraw the charge that you are in thrall to a thought leader and are able to think for yourself and reject being led down any path-- even one which you want to travel.
As a child, however, it is getting to be bedtime for me, so I will sign off with the hope that you have enjoyed this evening as much as I have, and I wish for you and your friends a year filled with success, happiness, and ever-increasing freedom.
Thanks you asshole....I appreciate that.
I honestly appreciate tarabel, his message is utter bullshit mostly.
All anyone has is ideas of what is to come, i say bring forth tarabels ideas. Some really stupid shit there like LNG replacing NG it makes me raff.
I think he is just trolling, but this used to be "fight club" so present "the truth" and enlighten the less intelligent such as myself.
You get your dongbat ideas from the lame stream media fed by the US State Dept so what does it matter? Just keep parroting your employer's talking points.
That would definitely be a surprise to them. I am confident that my observations in re future events will play out. All around the world, people are playing a dangerous game of Kilkenny Cats where each player hopes to have a longer tail than their opposition.
Just as the CCCP went from monolithic Empire of Evil to FSBO overnight, so too are the same factors nibbling at the foundations of a much-weaker modern day Russia. They will either pass this crisis in safety or abruptly collapse. The endless publicity campaigns they engage in to convince everyone that all is well is my primary reason for suspecting that all is not. The same goes for China, US, EU, Japan, and everyone else. So far as I am personally concerned, it is a race to see who collapses first. Between Russia/China and US/EU, my bets are on the Blue Team being able to hold out longer. But I suspect that Japan will be the first one to walk up to the fiery altar.
WE HAVE A RECORD!
I DECLARE MOST CUMULATIVE DOWNVOTE RECORD HAS BEEN BROKEN!
Never make predictions...especially about the future.
Tarabel
you are absolutely right! People do react the way as prescribed in the propaganda 101 course.
This subject must be hurting somebody really a lot if it gets so much of your valueable attention
His posts are professional and he is civil.
I can't tell if he's a pro or just an intelligent troll either way I approve.
Has it ever occurred to you that the Comments Section is not only trolled but, perhaps, SHILLED???
There is a difference, you know?
You may just be responding to Tyler.
A standard 20 foot container from Guangdong to Germany via rail - 17 days - no mafia vig
A standard 20 foot container from Guangdong to Germany via sea - 30+ days - per Uncle Sugar
Smell the coffee...
Either the EU is suicidal or the NSA has gathered enough evidence on their politicians to force them to be servants to the US neocons
World's longest train journey reaches its final destination in Madrid
Yiwu, China to Madrid, Spain in 21 days, including multiple crew changes and other stops to deal with different rail guages.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-12/10/c_133843552.htm
Hello to Silk Road 2.0.
Moscow’s key mistake was to allow Russia's domestic industry to be financed by external, dollar-denominated debt.
During the Yeltsin years, the former Soviet Union was encourged to put their lands and industry onto foreign debt ledgers in exchange for Dollars and Euros. The idea was that future productivity would pay for the usurious loans. The problem: 1) Exchange Rate 2) Debts grow with usury 3) Commons and other natural resources are now attached to a legal debt instrument.
Note that this mechanism takes former debt free lands, and attaches them through debt instruments. These instruments are held overseas in foreign banks.
NEVER LET YOU DEBTS POINT OUTSIDE OF YOUR LEGAL SYSTEM.
Of course, the Harvard Boys (Jews) would never will tell this truth, and they didn't when they advised the Russians upon opening to West. The objective is to get everything in debt and then said debt instruments establish a bondage relation. We - the west- missed a grand opportunity to be Friends with the Russians, a civilization very much in alignment with Christian and hence Western Ideals.
Later, Latvia and Estonia go on a credit fueled binge, trading their debt free lands for a party of consumption. Here is another rule that Credit making private bankers will never say:
NEVER BORROW CREDIT UNLESS YOU CAN PAY BACK PRINCIPLE + INTEREST with improved productivity.
Worse, the Latvian debts are generational. Forever putting families into bondage.
DEBT INSTRUMENTS SHOULD BE LEGALLY EXAMINED FOR USURY OR EMBEDDED RENTS
Notice that Russia continued to remain as an extraction economy, where their natural resources were used in trade for hard currency, and that currency then should buy western finished goods. Hence Russia doesn't make cars or much in the way of high end goods.
This entire mechanism meant that Russia had an unbalanced economy and hence their labor could not earn improved increment of production, as there was little to no production of finished goods.
Exchange Rate of money is really exchanging an abstraction for an abstraction. Money is an abstract accounting identity that should relate to goods and services, and general economic health. But, in the Western World, money is a division of debt instruments.
It is easy for those that create dollars/Euros, meaning Bankers to make a loan to then drive down exchange rates. Exchange rate manipulations and bear raids are a form of economic warfare.
The recent war against Russia is only helping them, as they are now forced to diversify their economy, and make it more balanced, thus ultimately helping their people. Using their own credit and selling finished goods, keeps their debt instruments at home - another plus, which keeps Russian debts under their legal system.
A question: Why is it you have to hear economic truths from an unknown like me, and not from mainstream economists?
The West needs to stop jacking around with the life force energy of other peoples of the word. Money is also earned with labor and life energy, and to steal it through hypothecations and other double dealing in market manipulations, etc. will come back to haunt us.
MEFOBILLS.........I like your style and have read the majority of your comments........you are a combination of MAKO, TRAV7777 and Francis wrapped into one......... please keep posting and educating.....
My one question to you is .....what is the outcome of all of this monetary masturbation of the last 100 yrs??..........Is there a RESET on the horizon?
also, please explain the difference between debt free money and interest free credit, if you can.........
Thanks
Debt free money floats in the money supply and has no counter in a debt instrument. Sovereing money people also call debt free money "permacredit." Debt free jumps from transaction to transaction thus settling the exchange without usury. It is a most efficient money type.
However, debt free money can get caught in certain channels and not want to escape. It can only be recalled with taxes.
Interest Free Credit is issued as revolving credit (like a credit card) or can be issued through a double entry ledger. In the case of double entry, it will some sort of collateral attached.
Interest Free Credit will be recalled to its ledger with an accounting cycle. Therefore with interest free credit, there will be a drain on the money supply at an accounting rate.
Note that with debt free money, there is no drain. Also another economic rule:
MONEY PAYS CREDIT, BUT NOT VICE VERSA.
Debt Free Money can enter the ledger and disappear if it is abstract as in electronic numbers.
A proper money supply can have both money and credit. Both are useful if constructed properly - and this means a MONEY SYSTEM THAT IS DESIGNED SCIENTIFICALLY.
What we have now is giant con game built up over time by Rent Seekers, and we are stuck with it. It needs to flushed down the crapper if mankind is to move forward.
With both debt free money and interest free credit, the VOLUME of money in the supply still needs to be managed. Bankers and Economists won't tell you that either.
Thanks for your reply.........you are a fresh voice here in the comment section of ZH, which is the greatest comment section on the internet...............
and I will ask again, do you see some sort of RESET on the horizon........sorry to be vague, but the majority of ZH'ers myself included, see some sort of monetary anti-orgasm in the near future, a blow-up of sorts........what do you see? How long can the FRN last?......Is debt-money, as we know it DOA?..........How long can this shit show continue?????
Again, Thanks for your reply
As Jim Rickards says. It's an avalanche waiting for that one last snow flake to set it off. Does it really matter which snow flake causes it?
We could reset the world system easily.
Japans economy post WW2 used "credit windows" where BOJ controlled path and volume of credit. This made Japanese companies fight for market share instead of profits. This was a war time economy diverted to peace time use.
In other words, Humans are so productive with their energy fueled machines, that even a small country like Japan could make most of the worlds finished goods.
During WW2 how much did we blow up in the form of war material? Yet, we came out with world class industry and a debt free public? Private debts were paid down during WW2, thus a consumption binge followed. In other words, we took on public debts at 3/8 of 1%, but reduced private debts simultaneously while employing labor.
It's a crap shoot that governments might finally re-assert their money issuing perogative. Sovereign money theorists like Huber have a full grasp on what can be done. There are a few economists out there giving good advice. The majority though are usury funded shills of bankers and industry.
If Governments refuse to do their job, then I have a pretty good handle on a system that I designed with other like minded people; This system uses contract law and various money types to their advantage. Also channels are kept simple, so credit as money can find its debt instrument. No interest, but there are some fees in the system, and the Fees flow back out as wages, so it is non usurious.
The U.S. has all kinds of advantages. Navigable water ways, and industrious population, high education, natural resources, access to oceans, etc. etc.
A money system redesign can be phased in, but it first takes awareness and stopping the deluge of misinformation.
Yes, if the BRICS take off, and say Germany joins, then all of those overseas dollars will try to flood home, thus causing hyperinflation.
MEFO - " If Governments refuse to do their job, then I have a pretty good handle on a system that I designed with other like minded people; This system uses contract law and various money types to their advantage. Also channels are kept simple, so credit as money can find its debt instrument. No interest, but there are some fees in the system, and the Fees flow back out as wages, so it is non usurious."
Questions:
Clowns, Valid questions no doubt..........But Im sure MEFO is using the Biblical definition of the word USURY, as I do when you see the word used in any of my comments.......
Trav7777 said that the GOV would have to print debt-free money in order to exist and pay its bills and MAKO taught that once you attach interest(usury) to your MOE, math will dictate a serious liquidation at some point in the future......
''The future cannot repay today's debts''-Trav7777
Those dollars have been spent. They can't be recycled in the form of a hyperinflation or "dollar overhang.". That leaves only debt and goods...both, actually. The world produces goods to sell to the USA so they can by our debt and produce credit.
If you need an example of what it means to be outside this "system" (it is voluntary) just look at Russia.
I do agree "what is it the USA produces that the world feels it needs so much such that it must transact in dollars"?
Debt free money floats in the money supply and has no counter in a debt instrument. Sovereing money people also call debt free money "permacredit." Debt free jumps from transaction to transaction thus settling the exchange without usury. It is a most efficient money type.
However, debt free money can get caught in certain channels and not want to escape. It can only be recalled with taxes.
Interest Free Credit is issued as revolving credit (like a credit card) or can be issued through a double entry ledger. In the case of double entry, it will some sort of collateral attached.
Interest Free Credit will be recalled to its ledger with an accounting cycle. Therefore with interest free credit, there will be a drain on the money supply at an accounting rate.
Note that with debt free money, there is no drain. Also another economic rule:
MONEY PAYS CREDIT, BUT NOT VICE VERSA.
Debt Free Money can enter the ledger and disappear if it is abstract as in electronic numbers.
A proper money supply can have both money and credit. Both are useful if constructed properly - and this means a MONEY SYSTEM THAT IS DESIGNED SCIENTIFICALLY.
What we have now is giant con game built up over time by Rent Seekers, and we are stuck with it. It needs to flushed down the crapper if mankind is to move forward.
With both debt free money and interest free credit, the VOLUME of money in the supply still needs to be managed. Bankers and Economists won't tell you that either.
There are many money types. Most hypnotists will tell you what money is, and they are lying. Each type of money has certain properties and interactions as it moves in the system.
Russia's lands and industries are still in Russia, despite the debt instruments held externally. Looks like unsecured debt to me, and if the Russkies wish, they can just walk. I'd put the idea into the FSB's suggestion box, if I weren't certain that afterwards the impacted banks show up in DC with another of their sob stories. It's not a problem at all for Russia and its industry, but it is a problem for the lenders, and the U.S. taxpayer.
It's not a problem for the US Taxpayers, it's a problem for the US Money Printers ... The only source of solvency
The Russians can always selectively default. Refuse to repay debts to any lenders from the US and EU. Keep trade relations open will everyone else who has not imposed economic sanctions.
As an added tool/weapon, they can make the EU pay for gas & oil in gold, because they can pay with Yuans too easily via their FX games.
"Energy for Gold"... it's where the real Hurt Locker is.
Especially if the Ukes start a US-supplied and CIA/DOD guided spring offensive. In that case, the gas gets turned off to Ukraine and the EU has to pay in Gold.
That "squeeze them by the balls and their hearts & minds will follow" play will quickly sober up the EU politicians, and force them to decide if they serve their electorate or the US Neocons. The EU public would go berserk if they choose wrong.
"The Russians can always selectively default."
Right on. This is what I've previously suggested. When the Western banks who are defaulted on start whining, Russia can simply tell them to talk to Washington, Westminster & Brussels.
Jeffrey Sachs once said that the 'transition' of the post Soviet Union economy to a market economy was to destroy Russian economy completely. Transition went like this: Soviet State assets that were worth billions were sold for millions, to the likes of Abramovich or whatever they are called) strapped of their profit making parts that were liquefied and the rest went in bankruptcy. It often went like this (and I kid you not): Assets were written down on a piece of paper and put on a big table. Prospect 'investors' were called in. Lights went off and people would make grasps for the pieces of paper. Lights went on again and what you had in your hands is what you would get. These assets then underwent 'reorganizations'. Millions lost their jobs and a happy few got rich and moved to London.
OK, communist economy was inefficient and in a miserable state but Post Soviet Union went from 2% poverty rate to 25% in several years and lost 40% of its GDP. Such a loss of GDP previously only happened during WWII.It is not strange for Russians to distrust the West.
Currently, Russia has little foreign debt. Their industries and lands are just like with gold: If you don't hold it you don't own it so these foreign investors can end up without holding any of the industries and land they invested in.
You missed out on the oligarch wars where oligarchs used ex-KGB/military personnel as their own arm trying to take out the opposition. Very bloody. The average lifespan for males dropped by about 10 years as a result of the economic turmoil.
excellent comment, especially:
'We - the west- missed a grand opportunity to be Friends with the Russians, a civilization very much in alignment with Christian and hence Western Ideals.'
The Tribe thwarted us.
A book written over 2500 years ago said as much.
Which book would that be?
Daniel
I am sure there is bumbu sauce recipe in there also, they copied from everyone in that book lol. The real books are the ones written by the Ancient Greeks. That is where true knowledge is.
Daniel was quilled in Greek as well.
Ever hear of the Greek Septuagint, child?
No? Again you write from ignorance.
Children...Jeeeeeeesh.
Quite a stretch just to confess your own idiocy cosmos.
Oh well, GL+HF
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Everyone knows a key plank of the globalist agenda to destabilize the world was China's spectacular surge in industrial power was the requirement for manufacturers to produce in China
WW3 will be an alliance of China, Arabs, and Europe, against USA and Russia.
Don't let them tell you different.
I see that you are still in your minimally conscious state.
2015 is going to be all about the Bass no Treble
If countries were personalities: Three is inherently unstable, Two is polarizing/conflicting, and One is insanity/boring.
Tyler ... With all the Russia posts, people are beginning to believe that The Bear is some kind of troll.
The country to watch is India. China, Russia, Iran are important but they have largely played their hands. India is now in full bloom and the next 20 years will see India quietly but surely fix its countless problems and slowly become an indispensible nation on the world stage. This will happen with its soft power, not chest thumping bravado. You can't even say BRICS, without the vowel!
Surely fix their problems? What makes you think that 2000 years of endemic corruption can be fixed in 20 years? India has more problems than China and Russia. They have about 100 million people with higher than average IQ and 1 billion people with below average IQ. They have nearly no natural resources for 1.1 billion people.
That is the most interesting definition of "average" I've seen for a long time. :)
@ EternalAnusocracy
Are you a relation of mine?
And you are right about India.
My screen name owes its inspiration to you only. Rarely, if ever, has a screen name encapsulated the state of affairs in the world as profoundly and accurately as your screen name. My name is eternally grateful to yours.
Thank you for your kind words.
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i've been watching india for 25 years and, in fact, rooting for her. but it (India) never seems to get off the ground. Sewage systems, Electrical systems are still nightmarish. I wish you to be correct, but i just don't see it happening.
India has the demographic trump card ... it's coming, taking a long time, going to be painful still, but it is going to take off. And frankly, doing it more slowly is a good idea, even if it is not by choice, another exponential rush like China's would just destabilise it over time. There is secular demand growth in Asia that even a USD collapse can't kill off now.
Element:
"India has the demographic trump card ... [- - -]"
My comments:
No, their demography is their big problem. You don´t need lots of manual labour to produce things nowadays. People have been replaced by robots and computers since the 1960s. And this trend seems to continue. Therefore, India has about 1 billion people they don´t need. They should have introduced a pension system which forced people to save 40 years ago and imposed strong incentives for smaller families in other respects.
Even Japan has an excessive supply of labour despite a rapidly ageing population and despite attempts too boost demand among consumers artificially.
Both Japan and India need more capital income, like dividends, for the general public rather than more labour that compete for a dwindling number of jobs. If you don´t need labour to produce things there is no demand for labour. The number of people that can become waiters or do work like flipping burgers is not unlimited. Furthermore, it also seems as if there are even automated hamburger makers nowadays, see http://www.gizmag.com/hamburger-machine/25159/ . Robotic lawn mowers, which were introduced as early as 1969, are becoming more and more popular. Maybe it will take some time before automated hamburger makers replace people at McDonald´s on a large scale. It took some time before robotic lawn mowers became popular. But it doesn´t seem unlikely that automated hamburger makers will replace manpower at McDonald´s in the future. And here you have a restaurant in China with robotic waiters: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-2850186/Restaurant-employs-6-000-ROBOTS-replace-waiters-save-money-staff-costs.html .
India´s strength is not its labour supply. Their vast Thorium reserves, however, is a strength. They also got more bauxite than for instance Russia and the US.
Let's give Modi two years and then re-evaluate.
We are talking about a very large county with over a billion people.
EM debt may play havoc and they will have to work through that also.
India. Sad to say.
A few of the problems
The corruption is too high. It now runs in their blood.
There is no national spirit. One is segregated by where one comes from- Assamese, Madrasi's , Marati's, etc. And of course by religon- Hindu, Muslim Christian etc. Politicians and Reservations ensure that it continues.
It's whom you know and how much to pay regardless that matters.
For every 1 honest bureaucrat there are a 1000 dishonest ones.
Over 90% of all politicians in India are there for self serving interests and for making themselves , their family and cronies wealthy.
Justice has been for sale to the highest bidder, at least till recently.
India ahead ! No way. Their actions will ensure that that they don't
This is not denouncing your point.
You need to incorporate this point and you could be right.
Mr President India is becoming a problem to us now as it catches up! What are your orders Mr President?
Tell the FED to print all the fiat dollars you want and own their sorry asses.
THERE FIXED IT CAN'T HAPPEN and you would have no way to prevent it.
Your dream is only an illusion permitted for now until such time as it becomes and existential threat to the fiat dollar system.
IN A FIAT SYSTEM ALL VALUES CAN BE PERVERTED AND CORRUPTED BECAUSE THE PERVERSION AND CORRUPTION CANNOT BE MEASURED BY ANY REAL STANDARD.
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Sun tzu: past 2000 years are not relevant to the projection I made. India has a young population. Corruption is far less than that presented in the western media. Banking system is solid. Infrastructure is total shit. Capitalism is cut throat. Public entitlements are minimal. Toilets and infrastructure will improve in the next 5-10 years. The new prime minister has a strong mandate for change. The country appears to have finally gotten freedom from dynastic rule of the Gandhi family.
I am not sure about the IQ part of your comment. During my limited travels in India, people seem about as intelligent as Americans. I did not perceive any particular mental deficiency in their population.
India is a shit hole and between all there bullshit gods don't know if they are coming or going. All the idiots want is some white pussy. Oh and there only 700million shiting everwhere and they all have cell phones. India is a shit hole.
Having lived and worked there for some time, I would have to disagree.
If you judge India by Western standards in stead of trying to find out how things actually work, you are cheating yourself.
The infrastructure is total shit. This is a great opportunity for economic growth. People shit out doors a lot. Another wonderful opportunity for gdp growth. Even sending some "white pussy" (as is easily available in the gulf states) will likely add to gdp growth, especially if new UK and Italian gdp measurement criteria are used.
As for corruption, this is largely a western meme. The entire "system" in India functions with a small "lubrication". I was in India recently on a business trip and was very impressed with the business acumen and business savvy of even the simplest street vendor.
As I mentioned before, on the street level, India is a very cut throat capitalist economy.
The United States sadly lacks the "every man is an entrepreneur" mentality and most of the new crop in the next generation is dependent on government handouts, EBT cards, welfare, young men and women fighting to get on "disability". Indiians who migrate to the west are not the "cream of the crop" in India. They are typically quite average in their capabilities.
What you say about India sounds plausible to me. I'd say that the issue in the US isn't exactly as you describe it. It is a mentality of dependence, but the "government handouts, EBT cards, welfare, young men and women fighting to get on "disability"" meme is overstated and masks the true problem. I've had more conversations than I can count with unhappy employees who would do so much better were they self-employed. I was one of them and since I last had a job 11 years ago, my life has changed for the better so much as to be unrecognizable. Yet I know countless intelligent, educated, skilled people who spend half their waking life in misery, making somebody else rich while bringing home about a quarter of the value of their work and expertise. They live in fear of having their hours reduced or being fired outright. Every year they have more of their pay held back to pay for medical insurance, and they get less in their retirement accounts. They spend more and more of their time and energy enriching people they loathe and despise. So why do they keep doing it, when they could quit their jobs, set up an LLC for $500, bill 4x as much per hour to the same clients they do the same work for today, work half as much while still doubling their income, freeing up their lives to raise their children, fix their houses, garden, and actually live like self-determined human beings? They all say the same thing, to a man. "I can't give up the Security."
Christ, it's almost intolerable to listen to. Subservience to some paternalistic authority figure is drummed into Americans from the cradle on, and it's a small minority that can see past the mythology to the reality. I thought Hurricane Katrina would have opened more eyes to the fact that nobody is looking out for you and there's nobody coming to help, and those who are supposed to help will shoot you to preserve themselves, but that seems to have gone right past most people.
I don't care who you think is the "Santa Claus In The Sky." Government, corporations, imaginary omnipotent beings. Whenever you put your faith in something external instead of yourself, you're going to spend your entire life as a slave, desperately seeking a master.
yup
"I can't give up the Security", because of debt. They owe for the house, the car, the teevee, their clothes and the food in their bellies. Nothing like borrowing eight years for a car that may last five.
Too much debt equals slavery.
18,000,000,000,000
Interesting points. Especially about working for the same clients. In my industry Non Competes and Non Poach are the norms and though they vary by state, all are enforceable.
Also healthcare used to drive employment. It will be interesting to see if that changes
I wouldn't ever poach; that's a crappy way to deal and would be a sure way to never get hired again by anybody in my field. But I'm in a small enough industry that the clients all circle around and eventually circumstances change enough that the path is clear. I should probably have worded it "the same type of clients," but the point's the same. Most of us, once we have some experience and any sort of reputation, could find the same pool of clients and keep it within the bounds of decency.
I did once have an employer try to get me to sign a non-compete, though. I said I'd certainly sign it; it was a 12-month. Except since they placed such a value on controlling 12 months of my work, it clearly was equally valuable to me as well, so I'd sign that 12-month in return for 12 months of pay. That ended that conversation. I'm very fortunate; I have an unusual role in an unusual profession so I can get away with stuff like that. More people should run their employment offer terms past their own attorney, though. People sign ridiculous, otherwise unenforceable, and downright unconscionable shit because they think they have to. Once they sign it it's a lot more enforceable.
I don't mean to make light of your points. Those are still more reasons to not get caught up in the employment mentality, as opposed to the making-a-living mentality.
And health care has indeed been a huge issue. As the costs continue to skyrocket and more employers try to get out of the business of insuring their employees, I think that will lessen. If it does that would be the single solitary redeeming feature of Obamacare, and that would be pretty far down the list of intended results.
My Indian friend says you can't even pay your electric bill without first paying a bribe.
Your "Indian friend" is pulling your leg. You can pay all your utilities via electronic payment. Lol
Any of my fellow Americans wishing for a complete collapse in 2015 so that maybe we will see a better form of government that actually represents we the people instead of the interests of so few?
Why would you want a government that represents "the people?" The few are more rational, more intelligetnt, more self-disciplined and morally superior. Who would want to be governed by sheeple?
Your comment is based on the presumption that the choice is between criminal elites and sheeple. That is surely wrong.
I don't recall using the term criminal. There are no criminal elites, just greedy elite bastards. Greed is not a crime. In fact, greed is good. If you don't believe me, ask Wall Street.
I used the term criminal elites because that is what they are. Take one look at the very many events over the last 6+ years to see what I mean.
Whether it's banking fraud (what you hilariously describe as innocent "greed") or political actions which are blatant violations of the law, they can only be described as criminal elites. Think: the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the torture fiasco in Abu Ghraib etc etc. More recently, the CIA engineered coup in Ukraine. Before that, the arms smuggling racket from Libya to Syria to supply ISIS and other CIA funded insurgent terror groups. The list goes on and on and on and on. And on.
Based upon copious evidence available, there remains little doubt that most Western countries are being governed by criminals. And our banking/financial systems are under the control of fraudsters and other assorted criminals.
But I guess it depends on whether you think the law applies to those in high office and Wall Street. Apparently, you think it does not.
Representative democracy is subject to corruption and self interst. The only true democracy is a Direct Democracy.
I'm not against direct democracy although it has certain risks related to the masses voting for/against propositions that they don't understand or know little or nothing about.
Nevertheless, any system of democracy must come under the control of a properly written Constitution owned by "the people", which can only be changed by the people and is independently supervised to ensure compliance by government.
This is the only known way of ensuring that every person acquires at birth a set of inalienable rights which cannot be voted away by a transient, democratically elected government.
So is that better, worse, or the same as a representative democracy where professionals in congress vote for things like Obama's Affordable Care Act that they didn't understand and knew little or nothing about?
Neither is a perfect solution, although direct democracy is better since it tends to remove political mindlessness and corruption from the proceedings, such as we have now.
There has to be a strong, supervised Constitution which limits the scope and power of any government elected under its auspices. Effective supervision with strong powers of indictment for violations is what's missing in the US. This has led to progressive abuse by successive governments.
Mob rule.
What about a democratic republic? We could write up a Constitution and place checks and balances to power and....
oh wait
It don't last neither as it gets torn up...
The interests of the few are more important than the interests of the many. Many historical examples of this historical fact. And isn't "better government" an oxymoron?
It may be more advantageous in the short run to return to state banks and the shortage of central currency as it was in Andrew Jackson's time. It would allow for Americans to regionalize their finances and start home-grown companies.
Of course, there is a lot of turmoil to get there, but we would be better off with a more decentralized government than the total clusterfuck we are now embracing.
I hope when it gets rough more states turn to the Tenth Amendment and go from there.
A complete collapse is not in our best interest. A complete collapse would trigger a panic- clear thinking would not prevail. Americans need to dismantle the staus quo one system at a time. Getting money out of politics would be a good start. The Pentagon has the largest budget and should be required to fund Presidential candidates. Rumsfeld himself noted they couldn't account for over a trillion dollars so they could afford the candidate funding program. Next we need to get behind a third party candidate who will make dismantling the banking cartel their priority. Following this the number security agencies (19 I think) need to be reduced and budgets cut. NSA dismantled to a point so no domestic spying is occurring and CIA stops running drugs. The justice system needs to be rehauled. Any legislation enacted and department formed (DHS) due to 9/11 rescinded with a new investigation to follow. War criminals need to be delivered to the Hague Court- Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest.
Total collapse= total chaos= a lot of collateral damage.
A planned retaking of our government could occur if we disarm those with money from buying it.
clear thinking would not prevail--- lol agreed
disgruntled hou
Just about the soundest most realistic planning I've heard in a long time. I hope there are a lot who think like you who make it thru the collapse.
That kind of dispassionate planning (to undertake the steps you described) is beyond me but I would support it where I saw it.