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All Over America, Government Officials Are Cracking Down On Preppers
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,
Why would the government want to punish people that are just trying to work hard, become more self-sufficient and take care of their families? There are approximately 3 million preppers in the United States today, and often they appear to be singled out for punishment by bureaucratic control freaks that are horrified at the thought that there are families out there that actually want to try to become less dependent on the system. So if you use alternative methods to heat your home, or if you are not connected to the utility grid, or if you collect rainwater on your property, or if you believe that parents should have the ultimate say when it comes to health decisions for their children, you could become a target for overzealous government enforcers.
Once upon a time, America was the land of the free and the home of the brave, but now we are being transformed into a socialist police state where control freak bureaucrats use millions of laws, rules and regulations to crack down on anyone that dares to think for themselves.
For example, people have been burning wood to heat their homes since this country began. And this is still very common in rural areas. But the Obama administration does not like this at all. The Obama bureaucrats at the EPA fear that our little wood stoves may be contributing to “global warming”, so they have outlawed the production and sale of 80 percent of the wood stoves that are currently in use. The following comes from a recent Forbes article…
It seems that even wood isn’t green or renewable enough anymore. The EPA has recently banned the production and sale of 80 percent of America’s current wood-burning stoves, the oldest heating method known to mankind and mainstay of rural homes and many of our nation’s poorest residents. The agency’s stringent one-size-fits-all rules apply equally to heavily air-polluted cities and far cleaner plus typically colder off-grid wilderness areas such as large regions of Alaska and the American West.
While EPA’s most recent regulations aren’t altogether new, their impacts will nonetheless be severe. Whereas restrictions had previously banned wood-burning stoves that didn’t limit fine airborne particulate emissions to 15 micrograms per cubic meter of air, the change will impose a maximum 12 microgram limit. To put this amount in context, EPA estimates that secondhand tobacco smoke in a closed car can expose a person to 3,000-4,000 micrograms of particulates per cubic meter.
Most wood stoves that warm cabin and home residents from coast-to-coast can’t meet that standard. Older stoves that don’t cannot be traded in for updated types, but instead must be rendered inoperable, destroyed, or recycled as scrap metal.
Does that make you angry?
It should.
There are other preppers that try to use very “clean” methods to power their homes, but that is still not good enough for some government control freaks.
For example, one prepper down in south Florida that had gone “off the grid” was recently ordered by a court to connect back to the grid or face eviction from his home. The following is an excerpt from a recent article by Guiles Hendrik…
Think you are still free to make choices in your life? Do you think the government will allow you to live independent of their utility monopolies? If you think so, try opting for renewable non-grid tied power and utilize environmentally friendly composting toilets and your own self-sufficient water supply. Today, those life choices could land you in jail if you live in South Florida. Take the case of Robin Speronis.
Robin Speronis has lived off the grid, independent of the city’s water and electric system. A Florida court ruled this off-the-grid living illegal last week and has given Robin until March to connect her home to a municipal water line or face possible eviction. Further, officials in the city of Cape Coral have justified this by deeming Robin’s home “unsanitary,” citing the International Property Maintenance Code. First of all, since when did we begin to locally recognize “international codes?” Where in the US Constitution does it provide for international jurisdiction over local codes? Ironically, this “international” code mandates that homes be connected to an electricity grid and a running water source, even though most of the world lives without reliable electricity and municipal water and sewer. Further, the code is outdated and obsolete because it was written without consideration to both old and new technologies that relegate the need for grid tied power and municipal water as unnecessary and expensive; especially, in locations where it simply isn’t feasible to have grid tied utilities. Nonetheless, Speronis’ home does in fact have power and water through far cheaper and more environmentally friendly means — solar panels and rainwater, but that reality is ignored by the local government.
Incredibly, most Americans still seem to believe that we live in a “free country”. But we don’t. Our lives are very tightly constrained by literally millions of laws, rules and regulations, and more are being added every single day.
Even some of our most basic fundamental rights have been seriously eroded. One of these is the right to make basic health decisions for our own children. In New York state, children that have not received all of the designated vaccines can now be banned from attending public school, and this requirement was recently upheld by a federal appeals court…
New York state’s requirement that children be vaccinated before attending public school does not violate their constitutional rights, a federal appeals court in Manhattan said on Wednesday.
In affirming the requirement’s constitutionality, a three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals also upheld a previous ruling by a federal judge that students exempted from the requirement for religious reasons can be barred from school when another child has a disease preventable by a vaccine.
The decision was the latest to go against three parents from New York City who say their religious rights were violated when their children were kept out of school as a result of the immunization policies. The parents’ lawyer, Patricia Finn, said her clients planned to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.
So what are we free to do without government interference these days?
Not much.
In fact, in some states we can’t even sit on our own land and collect the rain as it falls from the sky for our own personal use.
If you do this in the state of Oregon, for example, you could go to prison…
Gary Harrington, the Oregon man convicted of collecting rainwater and snow runoff on his rural property surrendered Wednesday morning to begin serving his 30-day, jail sentence in Medford, Ore.
“I’m sacrificing my liberty so we can stand up as a country and stand for our liberty,” Harrington told a small crowd of people gathered outside of the Jackson County (Ore.) Jail.
Several people held signs that showed support for Harrington as he was taken inside the jail.
And of course these are just a few examples. Almost every single day there are more stories in the news about government bureaucrats cracking down on preppers. They almost seem to relish the opportunity to go after the “non-conformists”.
But the good news is that the number of Americans that are seeking to become less dependent on the system just continues to grow.
So what about you?
Are you a prepper?
My friend Daisy Luther recently wrote a piece entitled “45 MORE Signs That You Might Be One of Those Crazy Preppers“. The following are some of the most interesting “signs” from her list…
*You spend your days off digging an underground bunker in your backyard.
*Your family doesn’t dare take something from the food stockpile without marking it off the list.
*Your kids know how to don a gas mask in 30 seconds.
*Everyone in your survival group carries the same firearm so that ammo is standardized.
*Your family is no longer surprised when you announce, “Hey, we’re going to learn how to make (insert anything here)!”
*You have long since accepted the idea that if you’re not on someone’s list, you’re probably not doing it right.
*You don’t just rotate food, you rotate ammo.
*Moving to a new house is no longer “moving”, but “strategic relocation”.
*Your kids think it’s a fun game to see who can find the most potential weapons in a room.
*Your EDC includes a knife, firearm w/extra mag, flashlight, mylar blanket, Chapstick, and an ounce of silver — and that’s just for when you’re walking the dog.
*One criterion for your new winter coat is that it fits over your body armor.
You can read her entire article right here.
America was built by people that loved their families, worked hard and were self-sufficient.
Now our government is specifically targeting those kinds of people.
What in the world is happening to us?
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Honorable mention for kerosene. You can't drink it, but it's warm heat, bright light, and murder on bugs, pests, and mosquito larvae.
Its pretty smelly though. I use odorless mineral spirits in my lamps and it works great. I havent tried it in my kerosene heater yet. I really haven't tried to locate kerosene since I bought some bulk in a Missouri farm town a few years ago. I did find out that Stahlman's lumber in Houston has bulk kero, but if they want any more than 2$/gallon I say screw it and I'll experiment with the mineral sprits.
When I was a young man playing high school football here in Alabama, our coach kept a jug of kerosene handy.
He'd splash a little on our ankles from time to time to "keep the ants from crawling up our legs and eating our candy asses".
Schools used to be real and had actual men involved in turning boys into men.
Now we have bullying clinics, ADD medications and school shootings.
I'll take the days of kerosene, public humiliatition and candy asses. There were a lot fewer dead kids back then.
you all had it good, they'd just let the fireants chew on us. i remembere a few games we played with other brokeass schools that ended up being pure hell.
whatever drunk they had for a "groundskeeper" would just knock the mounds down with the mower, and when it started raining, those little fuckers would start floating everywhere and there was no escape.
fireants in your asscrack, bitches. we played iron man ball, too. those were the days.
The best Molotov cocktails have a dual purpose...
Allah forbid INDEPENDENCE!
Can't burn wood, but they don't mind using it to print trillions of paper dollars
Hey I think you are onto something there, maybe the Fed needs all that wood for toilet paper?
Currency isn't printed on wood pulp paper. Crane makes a special cotton-linen blend like older paper. Wood pulp paper doesn't last nearly as well as cotton-linen rag paper. Look at old newspapers. The REALLY old ones aren't in bad shape. The newer wood pulp paper ones are acidic and falling apart.
The Germans used their marks in the fireplace during Weimar hyperinflation. That'll be illegal too, I'm sure.
Fuck these people. Shit like this makes me want to live long enough to see the fucking wheels come off so I can participate in the absolute madness that is sure to follow.
Would not wish to miss the "big game" for anything. Retribution, anyone?
oh shit, its a long list too.
Leave room for God's wrath or face his.
shame "God's" math never worked out
Crazy as it sounds, I don't want the bad guys to die in some sort of retaliatory melee. Not at all. In my dream of dreams, the collapse happens, we have a reformation, and then every single stitch of evidence of their crimes sees the light of day and these fuckers get actual trials. The more I've thought about it, I don't want them to get the death penalty either: imagine their lives -- they live in luxury and debauchery, and then get kindly put to sleep? Fuck no. I want them to live in a cage, afforded every bit of health care for long, long life in austere conditions fit for criminals that committed crimes against humanity. I don't want any fucking martyrs to statism, I want pathetic, pleading examples of what happened to sociopaths that fuck entire countries over. I want thousands of sitting in prison rotting away for their treason like John Pollard.
I have had the same thought.
I hope they live a long long time so they can contemplate their crimes, from a nice drafty cell.
Not just a cage, but a zoo. Put the fuckers on display.
I've shared this fantasy and would love to be the prosecutor
I was thinking more along the lines of burlap bags full of rats.
Very hungry rats.
man i wish i could share your beautiful dream but my thoughts run darker. much darker.
the area i live in could go zero to fucking ragnarok in about three days. maybe that'll be most places anyway but i don't really think so. i'll save the reasons for another discussion.
the upshot is we're rural and have a strong self sufficient streak so i think the healthy people who make it through the initial phases of the apocalypse have a chance to see something wonderful.
but getting there will truly be nightmarish. enough serious contemplation of what i think will really happen always cools my ardor and makes me thankful for the additional time.
"I want thousands of sitting in prison rotting away for their treason..."
Are you kidding? First they feed off us for years from the top of the food chain, and now they still feed of us from jail? I don't think so. Not paying a dime for their incarceration.
I'd put them to forced labor, where they EARN their daily bread by the sweat of their brow, just like it says in the Good Book. And I'd put up a sign that reads "Work is liberating".
It's called 'Judgement Day"...it's in the back of the Bible.
"Shit like this makes me want to live long enough to see the fucking wheels come off so I can participate in the absolute madness that is sure to follow."
I hope the wheels come of while I'm still relatively young (that ship is weighing anchor) so that I can participate in rationality which will finally be an option.
God bless you brother. Come and take it.
Just prioritize your list, and get in all the licks you can on the first day. The early bird gets the banker.
America is fooked.
When the bond bubble burst they won't have $ for the EPA and many other agency's. your local police sheriffs will be lucky to keep the lights on
Trust me when I say this. When Rome falls, it will be immediate.
It would make me happy if the City of London could be synchronized with Rome's fall.
lol, Nice avatar Willy.
Care to elaborate Yen?
Yen's elabia are large enough, leave him alone.
Ask the Polack> Those polacks are great at avoiding the inevitable.
I think the Russia/China <swift> exchange deal, is going to de~throne the U.S. banking hedgemony.
M2C Bitchez
There ain't a Chink or Ruski that can down a pallet of Pringles and Diet Coke like an Ameicano. We will always be #1 consumer. That ain't no hashtag Yenny Goodman.
And trade and communications happen at speeds MUCH faster than horseback in these days. Shit that would have taken months or years to play out in antiquity can happen in a week or less today.
Have you an analysis for this opinion? I do not know, slow grind or sudden complete collapse.. I wish I knew for sure, it would make everything easier.
I'm going with slow grind and increasing at an exponential rate to full on SHTF.
3 days for local food supply exhaustion and 3 weeks for regional distribution to last without restocking if credit /cash freeze up. This seems to be a very general consensus among those who understand supermarket supply chains.
Who knows what happens after that?
I disagree. Empires fail by degrees. There will be multiple stages of collapse.
What do you mean those people? You look kind of funny yourself.
I thought they disconnet your water if you don't pay for it.
International codes???? ah agenda 21 hard at work again
Almost makes one yearn for the good old days of Catch-22.
I like that.
They're just model codes, States and municipalities adopt all or part of them as they wish. Your town has Health, Fire, and Building Codes based on one of the International Codes. Unless you live in some god forsaken shit hole like Texas.
Next thing you know, TPTB will be bringing SWAT down on you for growing a garden.
Oh wait...
ya'll keep voting now...
ya' hear!
I call BS. There simply aren't enough of us, I mean of THEM, to make a difference.
When you change money you change EVERYTHING. Up is down, left is right, bad behaviour is considered good, while good behaviour is considered bad, savers are punished, while debtors are rewarded, independence from the system and others is bad, dependence on everybody else except yourself is good. Making do with less - bad, borrowing to make do with more - good. the list goes on.
We have taken self sufficiency and economic determinism and have traded it for the hope of a permanent free ride to the promised land. We have decided medocrity is best and discouraged efforts toward exceptionalism. Nobody fails. Everybody passes (with A's) - no matter.
When we stop changing the money - maybe then we will stop trying to change reality, acting like the rules of scarcity and incentives don't apply to us.
Fuck the money changers.
Exactly...
Credit money is centralised money. Paper and coins (gold/silver) are peer to peer money.
They are fundamentally mathematically different.
Bitcoin is BTW, centralised not peer to peer; you have to ask a 3rd party to permit a transaction.
Here's the thing. Wealth and power follow the money. If you centralise it in banks, bankers (and politicians) become wealthy and powerful. If you pass it between individuals peer to peer then individuals become wealthy and powerful.
First greenie for that one.
Right to the point in an economical space.
If you do this in the state of Oregon, for example, you could go to prison…
Dear god in heaven... In Oregon, where, in the Willamette Valley it can rain 300 days a year sometimes.... you must get a government permit to collect rainwater??? Are they serious?
Portlandia is a reality show.
I bet the SOB didn't mow his lawn either !
40 lashes!!!!
If he doesn't trim his hedges by next week, we hang 'm from the yard arm!
Read the referenced articles. The guys just another greedy narcissistic asshole. He built dams on a tributary of the Big Butte River and diverted water that is the main source of drinking water for the City of Medford. The concept of water rights is hardly unique to the State of Oregon.
You obviously don't understand dams.
To the layperson looking at a giant gov't owned dam, all you see is a huge pile of water behind the dam, and you think, my god, they've completely eliminated the flow of the river! But if you look down at the very bottom of the dam, you'll see a little trickle of water coming out. That trickle (averaged over time) is exactly the same amount of water flow that the river had before the dam was installed!
I don't care how many gallons of water that guy collects, I guarantee you, his dams will eventually be full and the flow of water into the Big Butte will resume at the original rate that it always had going into it. 71% of the entire Earth's surface is water. Water never stays put -- it constantly moves from seas, to clouds, to rain, to rivers, to water tables, and back out to sea again. There is more water than there is land! Therefore, it is physically IMPOSSIBLE for one man to stop the flow of water or prevent people downstream from getting water. All dams (even giant gov't dams) eventually fill and the flow of water MUST resume, no matter what.
Don't let the gov't trick you into thinking otherwise. The gov't wants you to pay your monthly fees to receive water and electricity from their dam. The gov't doesn't want you to own your own dam because that breaks their monopoly.
You can't possibly be that fucking stupid. How's the Colorado river doing these days. It used to flow into the Gulf of Mexico. How about the San Joaquin Valley? Water is the new oil, especially in the Western US. It's a precious commodity.
You're conflating diverting and damming. Your examples are massive diversions of the flow of water to industrial agricultural districts, which then truck that water (in the form of produce) out to the entire country (perhaps other countries too). That's a diversion of water flow. It still ends up going back out to sea eventually, just not through the route it used to. Is produce for the entire nation a bad thing? You'd seriously rather have that water flow through to the Gulf of Mexico instead of making produce for the country? How stupid is that?
A citizen building a dam on his own private property doesn't divert the flow of water. Gary Harrington wasn't sending water to other states or countries. His stated purpose was emergency water storage for fire fighters in his area. Considering the massive number of trees in the area, that wasn't stupid, greedy, or narcissitic at all. It was smart and a service to the community.
Fresh water is a precious commodity. Seawater we have no shortage of. Until sea level starts falling dramatically, creating fresh water storage ponds isn't stupid in the slightest. Forcing Gary Harrington to send all the precious fresh water he built up over the course of decades so that it all drains out to sea is where I see incredible stupidity.
You got a point there. If 1000 gals go in, eventually, depending on the pond size, 1000 gals will flow out again once the ponds holding capacity is reached.
No harm, no foul, if the water is collected in spring runoffs. Jackson Co. is at the foot of the Siskyous that get a load of snow.
Using the logic of Jackson Co., every creek fed pond in any cow pasture has "stolen" county water in it.
Jackson Co. wouldn't allow my FIL to build a pond on a semi dry creek that ran through his property but they had no problem renting him water rights to the county owned irrigation ditch on the border of his property. The funny thing is, that the pond would capture rainfall and actually increase the total available water supply because his creek ran into the irrigation ditch.
Water diversion is a big issue in farm country but it shouldn't be conflated with water capture and it needs to be judged on an environmental level rather than a one rule fits all basis. Monopolies on natural resources is generally a very bad idea when bureaucrats are in control.
If people want their steaks then the cows have to drink and eat. Small holdings have to be irrigated to do it. Simple as that.
In Australia, we are not so stupid. In actual fact, it is mandatory to collect rainwater in the whole of South Australia. And in my state of western Australia you must collect rainwater if you are in a rural area. Selling rainwater tanks and pumps is big business here.
Americans deserve this. If they have become so complacent to forget that their ancestors moved to greener pastures then they cannot complain if they are too weak to do it themselves.
"In Australia we're not that stupid" Really???
Heard of Peter Manuel? Spoken to any farmers lately in South Australia? Followed the progress of smart water meters?
http://www.flagaustralia.org/page.php?page=testimonials
https://www.google.com/search?q=FLAG&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=flag+australia+...
"we have to fence our rivers and creeks and put meters on our dams. They are trying to control the water and we have to pay a fee'."
Nice.
France called for an international security meeting this weekend.
I’m thinking they are going to internationally outlaw the ownership of ‘large quantities of ammo’ this weekend.
This article citing “the International Property Maintenance Code” is a clue.
Didn't they just pass the UN small arms treaty? I wonder...
France has just opened the biggest can of worms in modern history! They've juxtaposted their sovereignity.
Chicken Cordon Bleu tonight, in memory of 'Old France'.
Soveringty is won by force of arms . Backed by a just populace. That's giving history a out 8 yrs from here
The modern man's idea of 'food' is some unknown mixture of colored goop and glarp extruded and perhaps solidified into recognizable pseudo-modern-archetypal shapes.
Next step - Soylent Green.
I draw the line at eating Edward G. Robinson.
Everyone who showed up at the Harry Reid sponsored turtle gathering will be dragged into the streets and shot like dogs.
You know al their pictures were taken at the scene. Later sent through the facial recognition software, that gets better each day.
No doubt even the children who were at Bundy Ranch will be terminated with extreme prejudice.
That kid down in Georgia got off easy when he was flash-banged in his crib.
/sarc
Fuck em. We weren't scared of them back then in April, and we ain't scared of them now. Nicest bunch, I've ever been around, ever.
I should remind everyone, Ammon Bundy is on the Gov's shit list. He and his whole family are now on the TSA's "No Fly" list. This happened last November. Ammon is one of the nicest guys you'll meet. Rick is definitely a wild man, but has a big heart. Very respectful, God fearing people.
http://cspoa.org/ammon-bundy-gets-special-treatment-from-tsa/
On a trip to Utah yesterday, Ammon Bundy and his 12-year-old daughter went through airport security in Phoenix. The tripnever happened. This is because Ammon’s name was in the records of the TSA as a threat and danger to fly. His boarding pass was marked with “SSSS”. Because of this, he and his daughter had to endure a complete search of all their belongings and persons, which delayed him for an hour, during which time they missed their flight.
The next flight was not soon enough for them to arrive in Utah in time to make the family event they were going to attend. This is apparently because Senator Harry Reid labeled Ammon, and all those who stood up to the federal government at the Bundy ranch in Nevada several months ago. We urge members and everyone to write and/or call the TSA and Senator Harry Reid’s office to protest this terrible treatment of a peaceful American patriot. Please express your displeasure at this “police state” tactic.
Oh, and suddenly, that whole area around the Bundy Ranch, has been designated a Super Critical Sensitive Enviromental Area or some stupid shit. Of course, you know what that means. Every time, I see somebody here saying Americans aren't going to get up and do nothing, I remind them, that they're dead fucking wrong. Back in April 2014, a whole bunch of us went. A Retired PD Chief from Oz, flew all the way to the US and showed up next to my campsite. A biker from SF, another from New Mexico, a laid off, GM Engineer from Detroit, an Aerospace Worker from Palmdale (cough).
Don't forget. When the call comes, GO. Just fucking GO! I had nothing for camping gear. Went to a sporting good store, whipped out the debit card and brought a shit load of camping gear and went in my little Focus wagon. I had to do it. If I didn't I would've been sorely disappointed with myself. We came from everywhere. And laying awake, with my feet hanging out of the back of the wagon, late that night, it was damn creepy. Not one sound. Dead silent. Just me and my Shop Dog. Glad I went. It was an awesome experience, that I'll never forget. Remember, when the call comes, GO!
Real preppers don't buy a stove anyway, they make it.
We have a rocket stove aficionado... Cheers
That works as well, rocket stoves can warm a huge thermal mass using basically twigs and they burn the smoke as well, 90% of their output is steam..
http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp
Wow! I thought you were talking about the wooden rocket stove, where a single piece of firewood is split but not detached and burned upright from the center straight up, like for heating a pot of coffee, etc.
This rocket stove mass heater is the cat's meow. I've bookmarked it. This looks very economical on wood and completely efficient as far as total heat usage.
Thanks for the link!
What you described is a Swedish torch.
Spread it far and wide Mike, we can beat them with our brains.
double post
Preppers are bad, mkay?
I'm burning wood right at this moment. In kansas thank god.
ironically some of the "wood" burners that are approved have to use manufactured pellets made of compressed sawdust derived from the wood the local guys would cut for winter money burning their way to large operators pushing little guys out for a more expensive product. your woodlot has been rendered useless by .gov.
Good catch only ‘processed’ fuels are allowed.
That's bullshit, unless you are being disingenious and count seasoning as processing (which people have been doing themselves for centuries, cause to do otherwise outside of emergencies is DOING IT WRONG).
I think the topic is…
“so they have outlawed the production and sale of 80 percent of the wood stoves that are currently in use.”
Technically, you may or may not ‘get caught’ burning wood but you’ll be labeled none-the-less, a criminal. Like selling after-tax, loosey cigarettes
I thought the topic was silly shit you said and why it's wrong? :)
To continue on that topic ... wood burning is only be banned at the state/county level at the moment (California?). You can burn properly seasoned wood in a modern stove in almost any state legally.
This is such bullshit:
Look at this list:
Interesting...
Free State Project. Probably already on Goobermint DHS/FBI/CIA/NSA lists..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxCNeK97_C8
Only slaves ask to be freed. Free people demand to be free.
"As form follows function, condition follows attitude."
The banksters need to repay us.
While walking about, I do not ask to not be mugged, I demand it, and woe be to those ignoring my demand.
Very true kchrisc.
I frequently advise people to KNOW THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
You must demand your Rights, respectfully of course. Your Rights will not be granted to you unless you assert them.
Do not consent to searches, even if "you have nothing to hide".
Maintain your Right to remain silent at all times.
Continue to ask if you are being detained. (Am I being detained?)
If not, then advise the LEO's that you will be on your way.
if preppers had half a brain they would just grow opium ! then the gov't would send troops to help guard it for you !!
Keep it simple, STUPID ! and make " the Man " work for you !
You got it. Pick a candidate, open a corporation and contribute to Judicial Elections.
your rent is due. if you do not pay your rent then another means to collect it will be invented. case in point.
solar hot water and electricity. unless you have a standalone convection only powered solar hot water system your system fails when the electricity goes out. besides the storage tank is just a conventional type hot water heater the unit still uses power.
all utility mounted pvc systems shut down during any power outage unless you have a backup in place to switch over to. so what if it is cool to see the meter go backwards, you are still on the meter. you still pay a bill. i have waited until the last minute before the fed subsidies end(2017) for a pv system hoping tesla boy comes through with the first cheap maintenance free, long term battery solution especially for a normally frugal energy user. i suspect the real model is some kind of battery and/or system lease.
fuel cell cars are the next enrgy revolution hitting the streets in tokyo now. the target market is china. the usa will see them soon even.
We need ticker symbols, yo!
I call BS on this article. Each example has extenuating circumstances.
People still burn wood in the country and in the city. Hell there are people who still burn tires to ignite green brush.
The Cape Coral example is not so unusual. It's a city. People in town must live by rules. It's called a society. If you want to compost your toilet that's fine. Just make sure that you have your water and sewer service hooked up and pay your bill. You can still shit in a can if you want. Just don't draw attention to yourself.
Shots for kids can be avoided. Rain barrels can be used. It's not a war on preppies. It's a war on dumbasses. Don't be a dumbass and the .gov won't come for you.
The gov even recommends that you have some extra food and water saved. Myself, I have two years worth. Sometimes the wild black raspberries don't come in so I have to can extra when the fruit is abundant.
We have a neighbor who stockpiled so much ammo the batf paid him a visit. He's a local legend now. His stock went way up.
So don't believe everything you hear or read.
Is that why the liberal/progressives have in the past banned wood-burning in fireplaces on Christmas Eve and Christmas in San Jose and San Francisco, telling neighbors to call the heat police if they see a smoking chimney? Or is it just that Big Brother hates Christmas?
First fine $100; subsequent “violations” $500 or more.
Yeah, damn dirty liberals to not want their town to look like this on Christmas day ...
http://www.mercurynews.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?content...
Using an open fireplace in a densely populated valley town is anti-social, Christmas or not. Not even Rothbard himself would agree with you that you should be free to do it (pollution of shared resources should be handled by tort according to him after all and in San Jose pollution can easily get bad enough for it to be injurous).
They deliberately chose Christmas for the ban and everybody knows it (except you).
This will not change at all until Mr.and Mrs. middle Amerika lose their jobs. Simple as that.
WE DESPERATELY NEED THAT ECONOMIC RE-SET.
They lost their jobs. It's when they lose their foodstamps that there will be a problem.
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ConservativeRealist • 2 years agoSo, has anyone who responded to this article actually investigated the facts involved in the case? I did just a tiny bit of research, and discovered that Mr. Harrington is not being sued because he collected rainwater. He is being sued because he has repeatedly built dams on three reservoirs on his property, that when left open, would feed into the Big Butte Creek watershed and its tributaries. My first response when I read this article was to get angry and pass the information on to my family. However, after doing the research, I realize this is an issue with laws that have been in place since the early 1900s. Furthermore, I am really disappointed that CNSNews would stoop to the level of making this out to be about environmentalists and slamming our Governor regarding environmentalist views that have no bearing on the case. That being said, I am not a fan of our Governer or environmentalists. I just think that if a news reporting agency -- especially one with a conservative focus -- expects to hold any credence, it should stick with the facts. Stories like this make CNSNews no different from NBC -- just the opposite end of the spectrum.
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So the man thinks he's a beaver. What's wrong with that? If he thought he had a beaver he'd be protected by law. Oh, the world we live in...
My family built a dam in the 50's. Dam is opened and water released before any heavy storm protecting those below. Town can draw water for pumper fire engines if there is a fire in the area. At the time no permissions were required.
To the layperson looking at a giant gov't owned dam, you see a huge pile of water behind the dam, and think, my god, they've eliminated the flow of the river! But if you look down at the very bottom of the dam, you'll see a little trickle of water coming out. That trickle (averaged over time) is exactly the same amount of water flow that the river had before the dam was installed!
I don't care how many gallons of water that guy collects, I guarantee you, his dams will eventually be full and the flow of water into the Big Butte will resume at the original rate that it always had going into it. 71% of the entire Earth's surface is water. Water never stays put -- it constantly moves from seas, to clouds, to rain, to rivers, to water tables, and back out to sea again. There is more water than there is land! It is physically IMPOSSIBLE for any man to permanently stop the flow of water and prevent people downstream from getting water. All dams (even giant gov't dams) eventually fill and the flow of water MUST resume, no matter what.
Don't let the gov't trick you into thinking otherwise. The gov't wants you to pay your monthly fees to receive water and electricity from their dam. The gov't doesn't want you to own your own dam because that breaks their monopoly.
... >>> Michael Snyder asks "Does that make you angry?"
... dammit Im mad ...
... wait ... dammit Im mad reads the same backwards ... :)
Network:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE
Don't blame the government blame the American people for doing nothing.
Dont suppose you have a home address?
What's that old Dr. Prepper jingle?
I'm a Prepper, he's a Prepper, she's a Prepper, we're a Prepper!
Only 1% of Americans burn wood. I have a home made Momma Bear made before catalytic converters, fuck'm. If you live in town you have to live by the rules like a community with a home owners association. If you want to live without the bullshit move out to the country like I did 40 years ago. Nobody tells me what to do on my acres in the mountains. Oh they say don't burn trash in a barrel but I keep forgetting and nobody says nothin'. I even build without a permit and prep my ass off. Nobody sez nothin'. Y'all living in the wrong place but hey it's close to the pizza parlor and the movies. You pays your money and you takes your chances.
Citing the Forbes’ article above, “According to the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2011 survey statistics, 2.4 million American housing units (12 percent of all homes) burned wood as their primary heating fuel, compared with 7 percent that depended upon fuel oil….
“As a Washington Times editorial emphasized, the ban is of great concern to many families in cold remote off-grid locations. It noted, for example, that “Alaska’s 663,000 square miles is mostly forestland, offering residents and abundant source of affordable firewood. …
“Quoting Representative Tammie Wilson speaking to the Associated Press, the Times reported: ‘Everyone wants clean air. We just want to make sure that we can also heat our homes.’ Wilson continued: ‘Rather than fret over EPA’s computer – model – based warning about the dangers of inhaling soot from wood smoke, residents have more pressing concerns on their minds as the immediate risk of freezing when the mercury plunges.’
“And speaking of theoretical computer model-based warnings, where’s that global warming when we really need it?”
The Report from Iron Mountain was nothing less than the grand curtain opening in 1966 for the merger of the United States into world government on the basis of equality by the lowest common denominator.
Believe it or not, the plan called for the alleged destruction of the environment so that world government could save it.
To do this, it needed a plot to rally the people. It found one in "environmentalism."
In the Report’s own words: “Allegiance requires a cause, a cause requires an enemy. This much is obvious; the critical point is the enemy that defines the cause must seem genuinely formidable.”
In the past, government has used war to perpetuate its power, contending that only during war are the masses “compliant enough to carry the yoke of government without complaining.” Fearing the old formula may not work in the future to create a world government, the Report’s authors came up with a new suitable avenue on which to attach a global enemy – environmentalism. (The threat, the pollution to the environment, it said, did not have to be real.)
G. Edward Griffin who reviewed the Report in 1994 said, “The final candidate for a useful global threat was pollution of the environment. This was viewed as the most likely to succeed because it could be related to observable conditions such as smog and water pollution—in other words, it would be based partly on fact and, therefore, credible…”
“Preidictions could be made (based partly on fact to be credible) showing end-of-earth scenarios just as horrible as atomic warfare. … Their purpose would be to frighten, not to inform. It might even be necessary to deliberately poison the environment to make the predictions seem more convincing.”
Here is a passage from the Hudson Institute produced report:
That secret report, confirmed by Harvard professor John Kenneth Galbraith at the time, stipulated that in order to create a world government disciplined by a world army and a disarmed people, a credible global threat must be found or invented--one that threatens the entire world. Believing that many in the industrialized nations will not cooperate in their own demise as their wealth and resources are redistributed globally, Club of Rome member Maurice Strong stated: “In effect, the United States is committing environmental aggression against the rest of the world… at the military level, the United States is custodian. At the environmental level, the United States is clearly the greatest risk… One of the worst problems in the United States is energy prices—they’re too low…
“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class…involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and ‘convenience’ foods, ownership of motor-vehicles, numerous electric household appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning…expansive suburban housing…are not sustainable.” (Opening speech at the 1992 Rio Earth Summit by one of the wealthiest men in the world with great personal wealth derived from the oil industry cashing in on Chicago Climate Exchange.)
The Obama Administration, following closely the Iron Mountain and UN one-world socialist agenda; is professing preservation of the world’s ecosystems to discipline Americans into lowering their standard of living by forcing curtailment of production and consumption and by opening America’s borders to the Third World to equalize the peoples of the planet through collectivism.
I hope you're doing fantastic J.R. I've NEVER caught you mispelling?
“Preidictions could be made (based partly on fact to be credible) showing end-of-earth scenarios just as horrible as atomic warfare. …
Remember '09 when the eur/usd was in the high teens? ;-) Short squeeze
Have to cut me some slack, Yen. I’m still celebrating New Year’s. Which reminds me… it’s Friday.
I don't remember the '09 eur/usd short squeeze, but fortunately I remember your recommendation for Hemingway’s Death in the Afternoon - 1 1/2 ounces absinthe, 4 ounces Brut champagne. Pour absinthe into a champagne flute and add iced brut champagne until it clouds up -- at least 4 ounces.
Thanks. Again! It's going to be an interesting year and I especially look forward to your take on coming events.
J.R.
Don't worry my man . . . . . the grammar police have been fired.
cite or it didn't happen.
The Report was released in 1966 and was produced by the Hudson Institute, founded and directed by CFR member Herman Kahn formerly of the Rand Corporation.
That report is confirmed by Harvard professor John Kenneth Galbraith who was invited, but declined, to attend the meeting. Galbriath publicly affirmed he knew first hand of the report’s authenticity.
According to G. Edward Griffin, writing in The Creature from Jekyll Island, A Second Look at the Federal Reserve, the Report was commissioned by then Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.
And, btw, I have a copy of the report.
cite or it didn't happen.
Are you Sirius???
Real eyes,
Realize,
Real lies . . . .
Looks like Amish people became all criminals in Soviet America.
The sentinels are on the prowl. It's getting ugly out there.
Yet the largest insurgent army on Earth (by far) remains armed Americans, many of whom can shoot a fly's wings off at 100 yards.
Congressional committee leader discussing proposed 2015 legislation:
"We are extremely disturbed about growing civilian awareness of government corruption and abuse being discussed in social media and on the internet. Below is a list of what we have consciously been doing over the last 50 years to impede the physical and mental ability of deranged, independent-minded voters to interfere with our plans for their well being."
"Read the components of our current efforts to disable citizen vitality, and then present your ideas on what additional methods we could employ to further impare their abilities to maintain what's left of their independence and freedom":
1. Forced the addition of the aluminum production poison byproduct fluoride into their toothpaste and water supply.
2. Promoted their acceptance of mercury-contaminated vaccine injections.
3. Prevented all labelling of contaminants in food products, especially the increasingly dangerous GMO elements.
4. Obscured the amount of bio-accumulated radiation in animal and food products, as well as in rainwater and the atmosphere.
5. Promoted acceptance of increased annual exposure to X-Rays in both dental and medical procedures, and especially in transportation safety screening.
6. Facilitated as much oil fracking as possible so as to allow the disposal of industrial waste poisons and contaminants into their groundwater supplies across the nation.
"But remember, the goal is not to kill them, but to render them unable to think clearly, as well as to reduce their physical vitality, so as to prevent further awareness of and responce to our increasingly difficult and problematic management of their affairs."
Source or Link for that?
All I get is cricket's and down arrows when I say that.
And for all of that shit IT STILL HASN'T WORKED!!!! (for some of us at least . . .)
Is anyone surprised? when the SHTF, these elected officials won't last 2 days.
The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin,
the more systems will slip through your fingers.
The answer to wood stoves is Rocket Stoves.
Cleaner burning, cheaper, and easy to build.
Lots of designs: heats air or water.
Starter video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uh2VExcdbY
Yup. Typical wood stove is 50% efficient if you're lucky. Half or more of the energy goes up the stovepipe and the combustion chambers don't typically burn efficiently either. Rocket stoves are closer to 90% efficient if you use a mass heater design, relatively little energy is wasted.
You can get modern wood burning stoves which are similar in performance mind you.
I was blown away when I saw what a rocket stove does a couple of years ago. If I was thirty or forty I would be having one of those.
Franzpick, Can you post a link or the name of the person who said this? That is pretty tyranical stuff that should be shared with everyone!
LOL
Obama Turns 'Prepper,' Warns Of Coming 'Crisis'
http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/obama-turns-prepper-warns-of-coming-crisis/“Before emergencies occur, we must make sure we are ready to respond, and it is every American’s responsibility to be prepared. There are simple but important steps we can all take to ensure we know what to do and have what we need in the event of a crisis. National Preparedness Month is an opportunity to talk with our families, friends, and colleagues about the risks in our communities and to practice our responses in all the places we regularly visit.” He said Americans “should be familiar with local threats and hazards and take steps to reduce their devastating impacts.” “Families should assemble a disaster supplies kit well in advance and have a plan to reconnect after a tragedy,” the president said.
Roundup Causes Autism says top MIT Scientist | Paul Craig Roberts IPE
December 28, 2014 |
Monsanto’s Glyphosate Toxicity Means Half of US Children Will Be Autistic by 2025
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-children-will-be-autistic-by-2025-warns-senior-research-scientist-at-mit/print/
excerpt:
Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food.
For over three decades, Stephanie Seneff, PhD, has researched biology and technology, over the years publishing over 170 scholarly peer-reviewed articles [1]. In recent years she has concentrated on the relationship between nutrition and health, tackling such topics as Alzheimer’s, autism, and cardiovascular diseases, as well as the impact of nutritional deficiencies and environmental toxins on human health.
At a conference last Thursday, in a special panel discussion about GMOs, she took the audience by surprise when she declared, “At today’s rate, by 2025, one in two children will be autistic.” She noted that the side effects of autism closely mimic those of glyphosate toxicity, and presented data showing a remarkably consistent correlation [2] between the use of Roundup on crops (and the creation of Roundup-ready GMO crop seeds) with rising rates of autism. Children with autism have biomarkers indicative of excessive glyphosate, including zinc and iron deficiency, low serum sulfate, seizures, and mitochondrial disorder.
A fellow panelist reported [3] that after Dr. Seneff’s presentation, “All of the 70 or so people in attendance were squirming, likely because they now had serious misgivings about serving their kids, or themselves, anything with corn or soy, which are nearly all genetically modified and thus tainted with Roundup and its glyphosate.” …
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Read this article about Dr. Seneff's work, it is not quite as it seems... She has a bit of a problem with correlation and causation.
Seneff, however, has not actually performed any research into glyphosate. She is “a Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.” She is also an anti-GMO activist. That does not mean she is wrong – it just means it is misleading to cite her as a researcher and authority. She has published only speculations and gives many presentations, but has not created any new data.
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Glad I got my 7.5kW stationary generator set built before the epa banned the engine from being imported. Got lots of diesel and waste veg oil.
Thats for cloudy days and night, if needed.
Otherwise the solar charges the battry banks and then is inverted to 120v.
I'm lucky in that I have access to lots of big UPS batteries I grab when data centers do battery chànge outs. Those suckers are 110lb each and store the sunlight nicely.
110 pound batteries? That is friggin huge! And I thought big rig batts we're big. I'll have to look em up, as I've never seen any battery that big.
useful insight +110v
My 2 volt batteries are 170 lbs each and have been in use for 14 years and counting, i expect at least another 5 to 10 years from them. To date, they still hold a charge like they did new.
Wow....
I'm familiar with those but don't grab them because of the weight and the contractors aren't too eager to part with them as they do recover some revenue thru recycling the lead.
I call those suckers submarine batteries.
Hi-lo batteries weigh in at 500+ lbs.
Allow me to add another tip, that's not only useful, but cheap. I regularly raid the thrift stores, especially in affluent areas for sweaters made of cashmere, wool, merino wool or lambs wool. Often, they have a couple of tiny pinholes, but who cares? They can cost anywhere from $40 and up, with really nice, thick cashmere sweaters going for at least $70.
The natural material is far, far superior to shifty acrylic or polyester. At the thrift shop, I've picked up Italian made, cashmere sweaters for $10! I've got sweaters that if it gets above 40 degrees, you're overheating in them! And cashmere is the best. It is super soft and very, very good at keeping you warm. Don't be afraid to raid the women's section of sweaters, that's where you'll often find the best ones! Yes, I am a cashmere sweater whore!
Ditto for merino wool socks. The Wigwam brand isn't cheap, but your feet will be warm and dry all day long in a good pair of boots.
I recommend alpaca over sheep wool if you can find it. It's warmer, softer, non itchy and naturally water repellent.
Sheep fibres absorb a lot of water and swells before becoming saturated. Alpaca fibre doesn't. For example, what you find in damp environments is the sheep wool can swell and cause chafing, a real problem if you have to walk 20miles and are wearing sheep wool socks. If you're wearing sheep wool socks for warmth I recommend an inner sock based on acrylic to remove the friction. This is backed up by US army testing btw.
I too thought of Alpaca, but as mentioned difficult to find. Regarding the sweaters, I can tell you, that Cashmere doesn't itch at all and the merino wool socks, I can wear all day, But admittedly I live in a pretty dry climate (High Desert, SoCal). The Wigwam socks are a 70% - 80% blend, with nylon and spandex mixed in. They aren't pure Merino, but that makes them very good Hiking socks and that's what they're sold as. At $25 for two pair, they aren't cheap, but they work well. Probably simular results as to pure Merino socks, combined with acrylic, but if I had to go that route, I'd probably go with Silk socks. It just seems the Natural materials outperform Man Made by a wide margin!
Why would the government want to punish people that are just trying to work hard, become more self-sufficient and take care of their families?
Because the bankers are preparing to kill everyone.
Next question.
I didn't notice gold & silver on the list.
they been on the list a long time.....lol
Coming from outside the US it does seem strange that so many Americans dream of a future living in a muddy hole in Montana living off baked beans,
The US Government seems to going all out to provoke war with Russia, what good are survival skills and a couple of bars of gold when the H bombs go off?
Democracy seems a more modern way to tackle these problems and what is needed are new parties not Wall Streets' Democrats and republicans.
Then you can have a Government of the type the people want.
Government is not supposed to be a bad thing in Europe it has been the result of millenia of progress as we have moved from:
absolute monarch -> aristocracy -> meritocracy
The US super rich have invented the trickle down effect so the US can go from:
meritocracy -> aristocracy -> absolute monarch
The new aristocarcy (0.1%) are well formed already, if one family dominates then you will have an absolute monarch and you will move from the idea of the trickle down effect to divine right (we have been here before).
Does the trickle down effect exist?
A bit of history from the rest of the world that has one.
Europe has had its aristocracies already. you just get very rich people and very poor people. No trickle down effect.
In the third world you get very rich people and very poor people. No trickle down effect.
Democracy was hard won over millenia, try and use it, there is no need to go back to the stone age.
You're implying that a nuclear war will instantly kill everyone, and that nothing can be done to prepare for it, or to survive it once it's occured. These are widely-held, utterly false ideas that will kill millions of people if and when a nuclear attack occurs. See Cresson Kearney's "Nuclear War Survival Skills" available free as a pdf from the University of Oregon website.
You're also creating a false dichotomy here between personal self-reliance, and democratic government. Survivalists are not abandoning, much less opposing, the idea of democracy. They are simply aware that the system has become utterly corrupt and is collapsing. You don't talk about refurbishing a home that is on fire and collapsing on top of you. You get the fuck out. Stay and wag your finger at those who are saving themselves and their families if you like...
Genuine democracy is self-government: of, by and for the people. It was created on the American continent in a social milieu where self-reliance and personal responsibility were taken for granted. And if you want genuine democracy - self-government - to return to America, you should encourage these values upon which it depends.
Build your shelters and prepare to enjoy the radioactive wasteland you come out to.
Future generations of radio-active mutants ..... didn't they do that in "The Hills Have Eyes"?