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Russia Slams US/NATO Attempts To Draw It Into Military Conflict With Ukraine
NATO's Jens Stoltenberg unleashed the latest tirade against Russia this morning proclaiming - though offering no proof - that there are Russian forces and heavy equipment in Ukraine and a high number of Russian forces on the border which "doesn't contribute to a peaceful solution." Apparently pre-empting this outburst, Pravda reports Anatoly Tsyganok, director of the Military Forecasting Centre, exclaims, "Ukraine reiterates that Russia is in the war, but it's not true," adding that in fact "the USA and the NATO have artificial satellites continuously circulating above this territory and control the situation," concluding with a jab at The US & NATO that "Russia has never participated in the military conflict. And no attempt to involve Russia in the conflict will be crowned with success."
Putin offered a peace plan but it was rejected...As Reuters reports,
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko rejected a peace plan proposed to him last week by his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Sunday evening, according to Russian media.
Peskov said the plan, contained in a letter sent by Putin on Thursday evening, proposed a ceasefire by both government forces and separatist militiamen in southeastern Ukraine, as well as the withdrawal of heavy artillery by both sides.
"In recent days, Russia has consistently undertaken efforts as an intermediary in regulating the conflict," Peskov said in comments quoted by the ITAR TASS news agency.
"In particular, on Thursday night a written address was sent by the president of Russia to the president of Ukraine, in which a concrete plan was proposed to both sides in the conflict to withdraw heavy artillery."
A copy of the letter was published by the Russian television channel NTV. In it, Putin proposed "urgent measures for the cessation of mutual shelling, and also the rapid withdrawal by the sides in the conflict of means of destruction with a caliber higher than 100 mm".
Because...
Putin sought to burnish his peacemaking credentials last week by proposing a ceasefire to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko under which the sides would withdraw heavy artillery.
The proposal was seen by Kiev as an attempt to evade some parts of the Minsk agreement, cement rebel territorial gains and disguise the fact that Putin has no real peace plan.
"If Putin really wanted peace in east Ukraine, he would have only one 'peace plan', Boris Vishnevsky, an opposition member of the St Petersburg local assembly, wrote in a blog.
"A peace plan is very simple. If Putin does not propose one, it means he does not need peace."
NATO's Stoltenberg was vociferous...
- *NATO'S STOLTENBERG: CONCERNED ABOUT ESCALATION IN UKRAINE
- *STOLTENBERG: HAVE SEEN PRESENCE OF RUSSIAN FORCES IN UKRAINE
- *STOLTENBERG: WE CALL ON RUSSIA TO STOP SUPPORT OF SEPERATISTS
- *STOLTENBERG: WE CALL ON RUSSIA TO RESPECT INTL OBLIGATIONS
- *STOLTENBERG: CALLS ON RUSSIA TO UPHOLD MINSK AGREEMENTS
- *STOLTENBERG: SEEN INCREASE OF RUSSIA HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN UKRAINE
- *STOLTENBERG: RUSSIANS HAVE `HIGH NUMBER' OF FORCES ON BORDER
- *STOLTENBERG: THERE ARE RUSSIAN FORCES INSIDE EASTERN UKRAINE
- *STOLTENBERG: SEEN INCREASE IN RUSSIAN EQUIPMENT IN UKRAINE
- *STOLTENBERG: THIS DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO PEACEFUL SOLUTION
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But Russia responds, via Pravda,
Vladimir Putin reportedly put forward a new heavy artillery withdrawal plan to Petro Poroshenko. Kiev rejected it, but did not propose anything instead. Later Ukrainian authorities suggested that Moscow should sign a schedule for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. That is, the same thing is suggested but from different positions. Anatoly Tsyganok, director of the Military Forecasting Centre, a candidate of military sciences and an associate of the Academy of Military Sciences, explained in an interview to Pravda.Ru whether there was a way out.
"Ukraine reiterates that Russia is in the war, but it's not true. Yes, there are certain specialists and weaponry, but Russia is not participating. If we take a closer look, the weaponry acquired by volunteer corps had been originally purchased through one oligarch. Weaponry was not only seized in battles. Not far from Donetsk there is a heavy equipment depot with around 400 tanks and 200 armoured personnel carriers. Ukraine repeats that Russia brings its troops, but in fact the USA and the NATO have artificial satellites continuously circulating above this territory and control the situation. These borders are also controlled by unmanned aerial vehicles," Anatoly Tsyganok observed.
As the expert said in the conversation with a Pravda.Ru correspondent, whereas in summer the OSCE's attitude to this situation was somewhat indistinct, now the OSCE clearly claims that Russia is violating all international agreements.
"Agreements that Ukraine is trying to thrust on Russia are unrealizable because Russia has never participated in the military conflict. And no attempt to involve Russia in the conflict will be crowned with success," Anatoly Tsyganok stressed.
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The propaganda battle continues...
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I don't want war but Brussels and Washington do, so it's here.
I fear that Russia has already waited too long. Time benefits NATO, as western countries buld forces in, and send armaments to, Ukraine. Keeping the Russian military in a high state of readiness and then making them wait, is bad for morale. *If* Russia ever does act militarily, it will be more costly, now.
Why Putin didn't act boldly, as he did in Crimea, is something I don't understand. When the people of Donetsk and Luhansk passed the referendums there, that should have sealed the deal.
Maybe I am naive...
The thing you are missing and don't understand is nuclear war.
Actually, time is on Putin's side. It gives him time to reach agreement with more countries to trade without USD. While NATO wars Russia and China are cutting increasing number of trade deals outside the dollar complex and are making in-roads with countries around the world and most particularly throughout Asia.
Thanks for the clarification, I had not considered the de-Dollarization aspect at all.
Thanks also for expanding my perspective on this subject, it's much appreciated.
Every BRIC deal is costing the producer inlost USD they now need to pay debt.
China owes 1 trillion around the world they sell US bonds to make payments.
You are
I don't think you're naive. But having read about this non-stop for nearly a year now what I see is that Putin doesn't want a bifurcated Ukraine with all the crazies in the Western Galicia region nipping at his heels. He wants the Maidan regime to collapse and be pushed out (not by Neo Nazis but that has to probably happen too). When they are exhausted and broke and slink back to their shitty little lives instead of taking it to the Moskals all the way to Moscow. Then Putin will rebuild Ukraine, keeping it intact and in the fold.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, and providing the pieces of the puzzle I was missing.
My previous thinking was very two-dimensional, I was only considering one aspect of war, and left the broader economic equation out of my thinking. Thanks for making the picture complete for me, I appreciate it.
The Russians, by way of their Asian history, have a longer time line than Western Strategists.
Beware of Soviet era tanks from Hungary sold to Ukraine with Russian markings!
Like MH-17 even the Hungarians and Austrians are saying this one won't "fly"!!!
Mein Fuhrer, we have done all we could, but the Poles will not attack despite every provocation!"
"Find some Polish army surplus uniforms, get some prisoners to wear them, then shoot them and claim you have been overrun!"
nato is getting desperate.
bunch of loosers
where is the latvian cheerleader when you need him. :)
Yes but are US voters prepared to die for Ukraine ? It is one thing to lose National Guard and Blackwater but to lose Chicago and Dallas and Denver ?
The ussa will fight to the last Ukrainian.
This is all race to the bottom dismal science.
Ukraine, Greece, Cyprus...Italy, Spain, Portugal.
All the same.
Fiat burns as we babble about Babylon !
Rush.
"The War for Ukraine will require all our power! That's why I'm volunteering VP Biden to lead the assault!"
Iran electronically redirected a US drone and brought it down in Iran. Can't the Russians electronically take command of the NATO drones flying along its border.
Just thinking.
We know they can destroy them
Those drones belongs to OSCE .
It's really fucked up in the year 2015AD when you have to have a group like OSCE, since it means the Yoo-Roapians cannot quit squabbling.
What a crap propaganda piece
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Texas-based Schlumberger Buys 45% Stake In Russian Oil Driller
U.S. To Buy 30 More Russian RD-180 Rocket Engines On Top Of 60 Already Ordered
ExxonMobil Joint Venture With Russia’s Rosneft Begins Production Offshore Russia
Another Fake Russian – NATO Military Standoff For The Military Complex
Russia To Share Civilian Radar Data With NATO Countries
Ukraine’s Oleg Mkrtchan Buys 18.5% In Russia’s Gold Producer Polyus
Business can still function while high-level foreign policy crumbles. Even in all-out war, business is still done - with 'enemies' no less.
its good cop bad cop all over again. putin comes riding in on his white horse to rescue the world from the evil west. meanwhile the hidden hand moves and the yids smiled and say all is good. in this time in our history what does it mean to have a nationalist government? there is no such thing anymore because all governments are controlled by the tribe and/or their masonic shabas goyim networks.
The Wolfowitz doctrine Demands inciting Russia to conflict. Continuously. Until the desired goal is met. In a nutshell, the U.S. is running out of time and desperation is beginning to waft.
Yes. The last 2 Russky-centric articles each had 39 non-Russky-centric articles preceding them. 0 out of 39 is a much more noble goal, but 1 out of 39 will do.
Sorry, Russkys, but the deep-grooved habit patterns in your brain so lovingly crafted during the Cold War do not translate well into the current international geopolitical environment. You need new tricks.
Normally, old and dying individuals, groups, and even civilizations spend these last few precious moments of life dwelling on past victories. You Russkys, however, dwell on your past defeats.
Any day now, while he sleeps, Putin will jerk upright and say, "It is finished". The world will yawn.
have you gone mad murican ?
is this your best? pathetic
Thw world has plenty of practice yawning from reading your comments.
What? Please excuse me, bid, I fell asleep zzzzz reading the zzzzzz Russkys zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
lfdf, embrace your narcolepsy.
Everyone commenting here at ZH would support your decision to sleep 23 hours a day. I would.
Think of the improvement of the quality of the discourse here. And if viewers weren't hysterical after reading your comments, ZH might get even moar pay per clicks.
Think about it.
Everyone commenting here at ZH would support your decision to sleep 23 hours a day. I would.
Please, bid. Amidst the super-voluminous exercise in the propaganda extravaganza that are the Russky-centric articles, yours is even more extravaganzous. To correct what you said:
Everyone who supports Russia becoming again the most depraved, criminal, and evil nation-state on the face of the earth, wreaking death, destruction, and havoc wherever it went, destroying freedom and lives with passionate, murderous glee, would support your decision to sleep 23 hours a day.
Those with rationality, not so much.
No, I'll continue to frequent these Russky-centric articles, to keep reminding the Russkys how irrelevant their country is, how obvious their propaganda is, and henceforth how scum-bag they are.
Somebody needs to tell you Russkys you've got a piece of lettuce on your front teeth.
The Lithuanians released a document telling citizens how to cope with a Russian invasion. The Swedes have gone one better - a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFjX0cOh1dg
Oh God, why did I watch that?
Putin can post satillite or aircraft photos to prove he is not there. The US posted missile pics in Cuba.
Ah, yes, the Russian propaganda spring eternal on ZH.
Why not just fold it into RT already? They could call it "News and Nutbars".
Wrong . you can't call it propaganda . Your nato chief failed to prove it can you ? Frustrated criminals .
China surely has to know what is going on, how can they not? So China needs to stand behind Russia and Russia needs to fucking take things into offensive mode and blast the fuck out of Kiev and any NATO ANYTHING in the way there. And if there are AMerican mercenaries, good... fuck them up too. Those idiots have no business being there. Fuck what the lying, propaganda west says back here because they are total liars.
Russia is in yet another life-and-death battle (only the latest in a long line of such battles) for its existence as a great power.
It brought this upon itself by standing up to the global hegemon and by threatening its ability to coerce the entire world into line behind its greedy interests.
The U.S. is hitting Russia with everything it has, with the sole exception of direct military attacks. It is trying to get Russia to over-reach and invade Ukraine in a conventional, visible, massive intervention. Then the U.S. can further demonize and isolate and collapse Russia, it thinks. And Putin knows well that such an intervention would crush Russia's strained budget and result in loss of support at home for Putin, and protests in the streets. Just what the U.S. is trying for - regime change in Russia.
Putin is walking a tightrope, and he full well knows it. He knows his enemy, and he isn't going to be goaded into actions that will cause him to lose the game. He's got to be fuming with rage, but he's cool under pressure. He's using the time to plan out and execute a retaliation that will prove extremely toxic for U.S. global influence.
But it might take another year or two before that full retaliation can be set in motion.
In the meantime, U.S. shale is going bust, and low oil prices are also setting up a gargantuan financial collapse in the West. The U.S. will become hugely dependent upon foreign oil again, with no way out. Putin needs patience right now - and that's what he's got. Let the U.S. over-reach, not Russia. That's where this is all heading.
Goal is force Russia into a Georgia style invasion so Obama can demand full sanctions on Russia including oil and gas. Too bad the Ukrainians are just as shitty at war as the Georgians. Rag tag rebels are pounding Glory to Ukraina at a 10-1 clip
Nazi's are good at killing civilians. Not so good at killing people who shoot back.
Chocula gonna be walking the plank anyday now.
Crimea river, ZATO
Poroshenko better have a quick escape plan ready. Those Right-Sector boys are getting impatient with him and news stories are starting to link him again with the previous administration. He will be overthrown soon by a couple of rambunctious warlords.
Kolomoisky vs. Walzman (Pol Pot Shenko's real name)
Usually it's goy on goy. Nice to see some of the Tribe infighting for a change
Hohoho, things in Europe have gotten so bad we're talking "warlords."
Not if Nuland comes flying in on her broomstick.
I think that the US admin. and Saudi Arabia have planned a plot against Russia and Iran as they depend on oil export. The Saudi 'Oil Strategy': Motives And Consequencies
Just fxxkiing start a major conflict between Syria and Israel already. Move the battleground to the middle East Mr Putin.
The goodies of the Ukraine, the east is already destroyed. What does Kiev, Nato and the US still want now? Russia will cut the oil supply to Ukraine then for the most part all there is left is a bombed out country that will take many years to get back on track, if it ever will. What for? 30 tonnes of gold (a few days supply to China)? To divert from the unsolvable problems at home? To provoke Putin so he strikes first? Whatever, I cannot come up with anything sane. It's sheer folly what the west is doing in my eyes.
The resources of EUk. The farmland of EUk. NATO bases and missiles in EUk and then more north of Uk.. Another home for jewish immigration in EUk. Destruction or control of the gas piipelines (watch out Turkey also). Continued justification for sanctions by the EU to weaken Russia internally further. And if you think Crimea is secure once EUk falls you are mistaken. Crimea is still on the table, and if not the outright retaking of Crimea then a civil war with Uk troops along the then shared borders.
Sorry pal, Crimea is lost. GONE.FOR.GOOD.
But the bloody war in Donbas is the prelude to Kiev getting Crimea back
With NATO'S help.
Or so they think.
So I agree with Stumpy that Crimea is what the fight is about and CHX that Crimea will stay Russian.
The Battle of Donbas, as I have said before, is for position to invade Crimea. If NATO joins the battle with the Ukrainians first, then Russia will join the separatists; and if Russia joins the separatists first, then NATO will join Kiev.
It is an historian's wet dream.
The West does not understand Putin or Russians. Russia will not give in to sanctions or take orders from Washington or Brussels. Russia will never be a US vassal state and rubber stamp everything the US wants. Goodbye NWO!!!
Much expected whining from Jens Stoltenberg after their blitzkrieg early this week bit them on arse. Jack Burton, who usually posts some very good updates mentioned that the assaulting Ukies may have gotten obliterated by the rebel counter offensive. Hence all the whining and calls for ceasefires, peace and whatnot. The irony of rejecting an earlier peace plan proposed by Putin obviously does not bring shame to their lying faces at NATO.
It's a mystery to me how Stoltenberg manages to say anything given that Nuland's cock is in his mouth all the time.
The complete shambles of the Puppet Government in KIEV is going to cost it's citizenry decades of misery that it may never recover from. There are NO plans of any substance other than to HOPE that SE Ukraine surrender; NO CHANCE.
The Choco man stepping up onto the platform at Davos with the tried and tested ' le bomba Je sui Charlie is 'last ditch ' HOPIUM to engage support broader than Vichy DC and certain EU puppetry ( Stolenbribe or whateva his name be ).
Porko & Yats that failed stooge double act should be hung, drawn and quartered just before the mass exodus of Soros's colour revolutionary guards & Vichy DC pimps.
Btw, does anybody know what happened to Boris? Haven't seen him for ages.
"All your comments are belong to us."
Chalky may have bumped him off in a drone strike.
Where is the full-size cartoon?
So, not only has Poroshenko seen columns of Russian troops and military equipment flooding into East Ukraine at least 12 times, but Stoltenberg has seen them too.
You'd think that with all these Ukraine/NATO observers hanging around and satellites all over the place, that someone/anyone would have taken some photos to show the world. Of course they'd have to be careful not take photos of the Western mercs and military equipment in there.
Neocon Zionists like Porky Walzmann and Stolyberg are partial to tribe wine like Mogen David 20/20 - overconsumption of which is known to cause hallucinations.
and diarrhea..
The USA!
Shoving the world around.since 1898....
In the Central Bank Crony Captured circles of Kiev that i soiree, Hunter Biden is now referred to mockingly as Billy Bunter Biden
(SPECTRE HQ)
We must find a way to score more Gold. Our entire Enterprise sits on top!
We are skinning the cat too close, Sir. Ukraine was a bit of a stretch.
But we got the Gold, didn't we?