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"They're Out Of Their Minds" Gorbachev Slams US 'Triumphalism' For "Turning Cold War 'Hot'"

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In November of last year, Mikhail Gorbachev first warned "the world is on the brink of a new Cold War." Then around the turn of the year he escalated his warning, fearing "a war of this kind could lead to a nuclear war," hoping that no one "loses their nerve in this overheated situation." Today, in an interview with Russian news agency Interfax, the 83-year-old former Soviet leader, asks "have they lost their minds?" raging that "the U.S. has already dragged us into a new Cold War, trying to openly implement its idea of triumphalism," warning that "the 'cold' war will "lead to a 'hot' war," concluding "The U.S. has been totally 'lost in the jungle' and is dragging us there as well."

 

As Common Dreams reports,

Mikhail Gorbachev stated that the United States has pulled Russia into a new Cold War that faces the risk of further escalation.

 

The 83-year-old former Soviet leader made the comments on Thursday in an interview with Russian news agency Interfax.

 

"The U.S. has already dragged us into a new Cold War, trying to openly implement its idea of triumphalism," he is quoted as saying.

 

"Where will that lead all of us?" he said.

 

"What’s next? Unfortunately, I cannot be sure that the Cold War will not bring about a ‘hot’ one. I’m afraid they might take the risk," Gorbachev said, referring to the United States.

 

"All you hear is about sanctions towards Russia from America and the European Union. Have they totally lost their minds? The U.S. has been totally 'lost in the jungle' and is dragging us there as well."

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The new comments follow a warning in November from the Soviet Union's last leader when he said,

"The world is on the brink of a new Cold War. Some say that it has already begun."

A month later he stayed said that the U.S. is "tortured by triumphalism" and called for deescalation in the midst of hostilities in Ukraine.

"This whole process may and needs to be stopped. It was stopped in the 1980s. And we opted for deescalation and reunification. Back then it was harsher than today. And now we can also do this," Gorbachev said at the time.

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As RT reports, it appears more and more likely that this comes to a non-diplomatic head...

Meanwhile, international relations experts in America are quite alarmed over the new Cold War possibility – although not as much as the general public. While over 48 percent of scholars answered "no" when asked whether the US and Russia are headed towards such a conflict, the scenario was deemed likely by 38 percent.

 

The data comes from an American snap poll conducted at the end of January by the Teaching, Research, and International Policy (TRIP) project at the College of William and Mary, in collaboration with Foreign Policy magazine.

 

The research compared its results to a Gallup poll from March 2014, when 50 percent of the public believed a new Cold War was indeed possible when asked the same question.

 

In Russia, one-third of the population believes their country and the US are on a collision course.

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Thu, 01/29/2015 - 21:57 | 5723177 5e0V2a3
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The Poles recognize what Ukraine and Georgia have already come to understand: that Russia is trying to cobble together what it can of the failed Soviet state.  It was Vladimir Putin, after all, that wistfully remarked that "the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union." 

In other words, the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century wasn't the 60 million lives lost during WWII, nor was it the tens of millions that died during the Spanish influenza pandemic in the early part of the 20th century.

Rather, the 'catastrophe' was that 300 million folks were liberated from a totalitarian regime and a command economy that together were responsible for untold human misery.

Putin's self-centered, myopic assessment would be laughable if it didn't negatively impact so many lives.

Vlad, we’re going to make you pay a heavy price for stealing Ukraine.  Your ruble will be worth virtually nothing, your economy will be trashed and your currency reserves eviscerated.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:14 | 5723240 will ling
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not likely.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:21 | 5723257 Yen Cross
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   lol, The Poles are too busy trying to figure out how to refinance their CHF~ Fed. denominated house loans.

 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:20 | 5723501 pipes
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All was fine...'til the bit at the end...

"Vlad, we’re going to make you pay a heavy price for stealing Ukraine.  Your ruble will be worth virtually nothing, your economy will be trashed and your currency reserves eviscerated."

...truly red arrow worthy.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:24 | 5723528 Wahooo
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Russia is surrounded by jews, muslims and neocons, and you want them to sing kumbayah?

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:39 | 5723731 Joe A
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I read the other day that Ukraine is forming an army of on-line warriors like yourself with your two weeks on ZH. Perhaps you can apply. Or perhaps you are already working for them. You can take your pal 123Freedom with you. Or perhaps you are one and the same.

Anyway, we can expect more trolls like you here on ZH.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:11 | 5723236 Chuck Knoblauch
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Mikhail doesn't understand that Reagan was supposed to die in 1981.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:23 | 5723265 Yen Cross
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   Chuck? Do you have John Hinckley syndrome?

 John Warnock Hinckley, Jr., attempted to assassinate U.S. President Ronald Reagan in Washington, D.C., on March 30, 1981

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:07 | 5723429 Son of Captain Nemo
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YC

Chuck unfortunately is right.

Before Reagan ran for office in 1980 he was told his runningmate would be Geroge H. Bush, and that if he didn't accept those conditional terms he wouldn't be President!

Not only was Ronnie stupid he was "nutless" just like they all have been since November 1963!

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 00:33 | 5723718 Joe A
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Guess who was also present on that fateful day in Dallas in November 1963...

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:13 | 5723239 kowalli
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bot at full power.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:22 | 5723260 Yen Cross
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 That BOT is running at Full Retard.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:37 | 5723313 Son of Captain Nemo
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"have they lost their minds?"...

Yes indeed they have Mr. Gorbachev and always have been even in the days when you were dealing with them over the SALT and INF negotiations, the Budapest Accord(s) which ultimately led to NATO's Eastward expansionist misadventure(s) that followed starting with Yugoslavia, the Baltic States, Chechnya, Georgia and now Ukraine...

Same fucking assholes just a different day in the circus and with a lot less money now than they had when they were fucking with you 30 years ago!  It's always been about projecting misplaced bravado and "balls" that they never had.

Especially when it comes to messing with your Country!

My sincere apologies for how wrong this has all gone.  I drank the Kool-Aid all those years ago believing our system was superior because we were always told we could say and think what we wished and that everything was on a "level playing field"...  Then came 9/11 and the security state that traded those liberties that once made us a great nation for "safety"!...

Now look at us!

We need you to come to our Country and get our "Fascist House" in order with some Perestroika and Glasnost before the lunatic asylum that is Washington takes their delusions of grandeur trip one step too far with you and your partner further East!

Sorry for the way things turned out, and for U.S. being so fucking "insane"!

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 07:10 | 5724152 Parrotile
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With all the Western MSM parroting of the US bravado - might be worth recollecting the "USS Donald Cook" incident, not saying that this was a true incident, but there's nevertheless a great deal of speculation that at least the essence of the incident is true.

Many (on ZH and elsewhere) have mentioned that if this had been an Aegis Battle Group, "the SU24 would have been on the receiving end of lots of missiles" - but let's not overlook the likeligood that said "Battle Group" would be experiencing the unwelcome attentions of many such similarly-equipped SU24s, or maybe the odd TU95 with it's 20 tonnes of "interesting payload", so the "Aegis Battlescape" may not have been such a reliable threat assessment / mitigation  / response tool as expected . . . . .

Modern integrated warfare is entirely dependent on secure, BULK data exchange (bulk as in gigabaud rates), and remember ships are not stationary objects, so narrow-band dissemination is always a challenge. Doesn't take that much effort (or tech) to put a spoke in that wheel - even a modernised version of the WW2 aluminium foil "window" might prove highly effective at signal degradation, and that tech is really "as old as the hills".

Overconfidence in your "abilities" (combined with dismissal of your adversary's demonstrated capabilities) loses battles, and ultimately loses wars.

 

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 10:27 | 5724754 Son of Captain Nemo
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Pa

I know someone who had first hand experience with going up against Russia in the old days, and he informed me about their capabilities especially jamming communications and radar during flight reconnaissance missions.

Said they were masters at it and to your point still are.

Great write up.  Thanks for the info!

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:41 | 5723329 Why.Not.
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Saying "The US has..." just covers up the real culprit(s). Name names. Put the responsibility on specific people, not huge faceless entities. The constant failings of current foreign policy trace directly to Obama/Jarrett, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Harry Reid + a gutless Dem-controlled Senate. 

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:55 | 5723369 Son of Captain Nemo
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Saying "The US has..." just covers up the real culprit(s). Name names. Put the responsibility on specific people, not huge faceless entities.

W.N

Then please do tell us about Jim Baker and George H. Bush's role following the fall of the Berlin Wall and the neo-con establishment that was waiting in the wings with Cap Weinberger,  Elliott Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and there protege The "Dick" Cheney that had the sights on marginalizing Russia from the start once the "ink dried" on the paper!

In a sign of good faith and the cost of that Cold War over 45 years imagine where we might be now if we had included in those agreements to remove our military bases in Germany, Italy, Turkey and Greece and allocated those funds to something more productive like a joint effort with many international space stations and a trip to Mars?...

All gone and never to return!

But feel free to keep looking in the rearview mirror of that gas guzzling retro muscle car you're driving and tell yourself we're as good as we were 40 years ago?!!!

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 22:44 | 5723333 Latitude25
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He's a real statesman from the old school who gracefully and diplomatically ended the cold war and the unworkable USSR. It wasn't that imbicilic dolt Reagan.  I remember him well from that era and have great respect for what he says.  If you think he's a stooge then I wish for you a long and slow death from radiation sickness.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:17 | 5723488 SmittyinLA
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Socialism is its own worst enemy, not surprising its the Lefts allies in America waging war against Russia.

Will the Russians "out" their own traitor US spies waging war against Russia?

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:17 | 5723489 williambanzai7
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Unfortunately we have a population of traders who never lived through a rate increase and a population of foreign policy experts who never lived through a cold war.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:20 | 5723819 hangemhigh77
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They're called "Madmen".  Hey 7, what about portraying Yelen as Ma Barker?  That's right up your alley. If you haven't already done it.  my last request of a characature of Oboner was exceptional and I still marvel at it today, it's in my phone and being sent to many friends.  Ma Yellen. I hope I live to see the day when they hang ALL THESE MOTHERFUCKERS!!

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:28 | 5723833 hangemhigh77
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By the way I'll bet that you are a Mickey Mantle fan. No?  My Grandson is gonna be a pro. I want him to play for the Yankees #14, that's two 7's and that number hasn't been retired yet.

Thu, 01/29/2015 - 23:27 | 5723537 Ms No
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Apparently Monsanto is slithering all over Ukraine's bread basket as we speak (3rd largest exporter of corn, 5th largest in wheat), the US has all their gold and of course a bloody coup proceeded all of this.  So how in the f*ck could people possibly be buying into all of this.  Send their kids first. 

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:31 | 5723840 The Darwin Mode
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Frankly, our population could use a good culling. Kissinger was right about military men... I was one myself, once. Looking around our idiocratic landscape today, I see plenty of "dumb, stupid animals"; add to this the coming wave of immigration from the south, and I'm thinking our Dear Leaders should have plenty of pawns for their grand chessboard.

I was dumb and stupid enough to believe in the military when I was younger, so I deserved to come home in a blood-stained box... didn't happen that way, as it turned out, and at least I learned my lesson.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:49 | 5723873 hangemhigh77
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Glad you made it, now you're one of us.  My kid went through three tours in Iraq, Bronze Star with Valor and Purple Heart for murdering people.  He said, Iraq is a crime scene. He's one of us now.  This govt deserves to be burned down for the MILLIONS they have murdered.  Oh, but if you're a "country" you can murder people for the "greater good" and patriotism and all that bullshit.  Sickening.  Murder is MURDER no two ways about it.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 08:41 | 5724281 Mi Naem
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"Send their kids first." 

Good point.  In fact, I would go further, saying "Send their kids first, last, and only."

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:18 | 5723808 hangemhigh77
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Well Gorby, when you're right you're right. We have madmen running DC.  Please Russia let the FIRST nuke be dropped on DC and truly free the American people.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 01:23 | 5723824 hangemhigh77
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Where's the black swan that put's backbone in the American people? Unfortunetly a true patriot must give up his life for a defined cause that others rally around. We're so fractured and being assaulted on so many fronts we don't know whether to shit or go blind.  This government is worried about domestic terrorists? Well they're fucking creating us.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 02:30 | 5723917 Basia
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Frontline just put out a Special one hour program about Putin. The gist of the piece was about him being a bad ass, but he doesn't seem any worse than our own leaders and shadow leaders.    I guess the U.S. propaganda machine is out in full force generating more hatred. 

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 06:00 | 5724104 NuYawkFrankie
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ZIO USSA: Public Enemy #1

The 5th Column NeoCon/Bolshevik punks MUST be rooted out and held accountable.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 06:18 | 5724130 Pundit
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No goals of the current dangerous western policy towards Russia will be achieved. There will be no regime change,since the number of people supporting Putin inside Russia is growing, no change in Russia's foreign policy, since believing that you can pressurize Russkies into doing something that, to put it mildly, they don't want to means not to know them at all. The only thing the west can achieve is to make the Russians poorer and therefore more angry. And believe me, destabilizing Russia is something you don't really wanna do cause it brings us all to the brink of nuclear abyss. If this is the real aim of the reckless western policy towards Russia they are on the right path.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 07:09 | 5724149 falak pema
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Fri, 01/30/2015 - 07:08 | 5724150 falak pema
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Only one thing to say to Gorby : BRAVO for speaking out.

Mutti do you hear him, you sacred cow of German knee bending to Pax Americana plans of opening a new cold war front?

Not only do you foxtrot bad but you can't think straight. 

The current EU leaders are falling into the 1914 trap of a Sarajevo type tipping moment in preparation.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 07:46 | 5724187 Last of the Mid...
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OMG moochelle will form a hashtag hate gorbachev, THEN what will he do?

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 09:01 | 5724324 Quinvarius
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Obama was never qualified or motivated to lead America in the correct direction.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 09:03 | 5724326 Mike Masr
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US and EU involvment in overthrow of Ukrainian government 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&x-yt-ts=1422503916...

 

 

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 09:17 | 5724360 DonGenaro
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lost our minds ?
puzzling - they were not here a minute ago.

Fri, 01/30/2015 - 11:46 | 5725233 iamtheeggman wh...
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Did Gorby really say "The U.S. has been totally 'lost in the jungle' ???

Well, thass rayciss!

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