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Putin's Top Security Advisor: "Current US Approach Leads To Inevitable Confrontation With Russia And China"
Following the humiliation of tonight's much anticipated Eurogroup meeting in which for the first time ever, not only did Greece punk Germany's stern finance minister, but the ensuing disarray was so profound the panicked European finance ministers couldn't even find a quorum consensus to produce even the tersest of official statements, there was some hope that the second round of negotiations currently taking place in Minsk to find a solution to the Ukraine civil war would at least partially redeem Europe's faltering negotiating reputation.
Alas, as of this moment, that does not appear to be the case, and as Reuters reports citing a Kiev presidential aide, that Minsk talks on Ukraine crisis could last six more hours. "We've got another 5-6 hours of work. At least. But we should not leave here without an agreement on an unconditional ceasefire. There's a battle of nerves underway," aide Valeriy Chaly said in a Facebook post.
Well, if it is indeed a "battle of nerves", something tells who the victor will be, considering all his peers are just a little more preoccupied with the potential collapse of their artificial monetary and political union.
Yet, just like the previous Minsk "agreement", even if by some miracle there is a solution this time around, the probability peace will be maintained is slim to none.
The reason is not simply because the Ukraine civil war will go on until there is a terminal partition between the pro-western West part of the country, and the pro-Russian eastern regions. The real reason may be what one of Vladimir Putin's top security advisors, the secretary of the Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev said earlier today, when he told a Russian state newspaper that the U.S. was orchestrating events in Ukraine in a bid to overthrow Mr. Putin’s government. He also expressed certainty that the West’s financial aid for Kiev would only bring the Ukrainian economy to a “dead end.”
“The situation in Ukraine is being used as a pretext for the active ‘repression’ of our country,” Mr. Patrushev, who ran Russia’s Federal Security Service during Mr. Putin’s first eight years as president, said in an interview with the Rossiyskaya Gazeta, published Wednesday.
And, if accurate, Patrushev's assessment is that the US will not stop short of what effectively will be world war: “The Americans are trying to involve the Russian Federation in an interstate military conflict, cause regime change [in Russia] and ultimately dismember our country via events in Ukraine,” he said.
To be sure, Patrushev's view that the Ukraine events have been orchestrated by the US from day one, is a widely shared one (and not only because it has been validated to a great extend by the leaked facts). The WSJ adds that "Mr. Patrushev’s comments reflect the views of some of the hard-liners around Mr. Putin, who have characterized the rise of a pro-Western government in neighboring Ukraine as an existential threat to the Kremlin leadership.
They describe last year’s protests on Kiev’s Independence Square, which ended with then-President Viktor Yanukovych fleeing to Russia, as a U.S.-orchestrated attempt to encroach upon Russia and spur a similar uprising in Moscow.
“The U.S. administration expects [its recent] anti-Russian measures to decrease quality of life for the population, give rise to mass protests and push Russian citizens to overthrow the current government using the scenario of the ‘color revolutions,’” Mr. Patrushev said, referring to pro-Western uprisings that occurred in Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan from 2003 to 2005.
To be sure, while Putin has repeatedly been compared to Hitler if mostly in the western press, the inverse is true in Russia, where people like Patrushev compare what Obama is trying to do to the actions of Hitler and Napoleon.
He noted that both Napoleon and Adolf Hitler failed to conquer Russia. “In today’s difficult times, when the U.S. and its allies have taken the path of confrontation with the Russian Federation, it is necessary to recall again and again the lessons of history,” he said.
So as futile diplomacy rages in this latest proxy war, the biggest loser are the common Ukraine people whose role is to be the pawn in the latest cold war between the east and west:
Mr. Patrushev suggested that the West wasn’t dedicated enough to overhauling Ukraine’s battered economy. “I suspect that the West will bring the Ukrainian economy to a dead-end,” he said. “The aid sent to Kiev won’t lead to any practical results. No one is preparing to raise the standard of living in Ukraine or set up its young people in Europe for real.”
Regarding the recent attempts to send lethal support to Ukraine, or to send the US army to train Ukraine troops, Putin's security advisor didn't comment on the possibility of the U.S. arming Kiev, but Russian officials have said that Moscow would interpret such a move as a direct threat. Then again he didn't have to: as reported earlier "Russia Warns US, Supplying Arms To Ukraine "Will Have Dramatic Consequences."
In the interview, he repeated a claim often heard in Russia—that former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright once said Moscow had come to control too much territory and too many resources—as evidence of a U.S. desire to dismantle Russia. Ms. Albright has denied ever making such a statement.
His punchline, as reported by Bloomberg: "the current US approach will lead to inevitable confrontation with Russia and China."
It hardly needs an explanation.
Finally, Patrushev also brought up another theory often cited by Russian officials: that the U.S. is “trying to seed conflict” around the world as a way to increase its power.
“Beginning with the global financial crisis in 2008, the U.S. decided to recover at the expense of others, including with the help of military adventurism and the destruction of full governments, employing the theory of ‘managed chaos'."
Considering 7 years after the great financial crisis, the world is still stuck deep in a glboal recession with central banks monetizing more debt than ever before in history while the US oligarchy has never been richer even as the global middle class is left for dead and told to just "buy assets" his observation is rather spot on.
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God you are smart, Son of Captain Nemo!
Listen, these old guard fucks were already taken down March10th 2008 @ 11:00am Bear Stearns time New York City. Everything since that time has been impression management on the part of the White House,
and the Federal Reserve. De Rothschilds Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, Council on Foreign Relations, and the motherfucking
New World Order were rendered defunct within the first hour of the bear raid that destroyed Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Fannie, Freddie, Sally Mae, Countrywide, and every single motherfucking Equilibrium Economist in the entire fucking World. The World does not understand the quantum destruction that took place in every market in the entire World. I, for one, know for a fact that there is no possible or probably way that the old guard MIC and their cohort can survive after Bear Stearns went down. Shit literally hit the proverbial fan when the bear raid took Bear Stearns down and _recovery_ is mathematically impossible where p=1.0. The classless kleptocrats are rightfully worried for their very existence
and that of their families.
Vladimir Putin presented with an ultimatum in Minsk. BHO personally threatened Russian President with new sanctions.
It looks like Russia's good will has been interpreted by US/NATO war hawks as a sign of weakness. Not good.
This website looks more like a CNN-MSNBC-FOX hybrid. I wonder if it's another site sponsor by your friends at the CIA?
if vlad doesn't go for the at least @the dnieper split right now he's blowin' it all.
PMs starting to sell off. All is well.
Right. "Ukraine" is a fiction. I don't see why people should die for a fiction.
Let's put the Stalin period behind us and allow local self-determination for the various historical regions/ethnic/language groups of Ukraine. who cares where the lines have been drawn?
Do we all have to get killed for Stalin-era borders?
You're right. I think the Siberians ought to be able to control their own destiny (and oil wells) and tell Moscow to go piss up a colonialist rope.
Exactly as they should.....but Putin isn't going to allow anyone to leave, but pretends like he is a fair guy to his 'people'
No more so than Obola would let California get away, or Texas or Alaska either, right? You boys should tell your handlers at Langley that you need more shooling and less pay.
You are not very smart I can tell. Siberia has been part of Russia since 1700's and out of 40M people who live there, majority (being in the 90%) are Russians. Cant work.
Many of the Russians who live there are descended from what were effectively slaves. Many of the current Siberian inhabitants are still slaves. Time to give them their chance to tell the greedy, polluting exploiters to stop sucking their blood.
Why not? You act like Russia owns them. If they want to go their own way and keep all that lovely oil money for themselves, the same rules of self-determination which Russia wants to use in the West ought to apply in the East as well. Right?
And I may be dumb, but not dumb enough to wish I lived in Russia.
I am from Ukraine.
Anyway, Siberia consists of majority Russians (and a very large diaspora of Ukrainians too), and no, they are not slaves as you put it. Actually, Krasnoyarsk is a nice city and very well developed, with a higher living standard that Rostov region. If you want, add in Novosibirsk in the Oblast, a very nice city and well developed since early times. I really don't know where you get your idea that they are "slaves". They get paid more than average Ukrainian, by multiple times.
Guess you missed all the road signs pointing to the gulags. Or forgot about all the people who have been internally exiled to Siberia for centuries.
But of course they were all "criminals" in the eyes of the Tsars.
And then in the eyes of the Soviets.
And now in the eyes of the irredentist Putin.
I'm sure there are some nice spots in such large place, and some not so nice spots.
But think of how much nicer all of them could be if they threw off the Russian yoke and ruled themsleves without interference and overlordship from the Kremlin.
Many of all types were thrown into the Gulags, not just "Siberians" as you put it. And Russians have been in Siberia since 1700's and no Gulags then. No Gulags even exist now, has not since the mid-late 50's after Stalin died, as the Gulags and pretty much anything referring to Stalin was heavily influenced by him even if they existed a short period prior thanks to Bolsheviks. Under both Kruschev and Breznev, pretty much all were purged. Nicknamed Thaw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushchev_Thaw
Only one was kept alive, at that was Perm 36 in Perm, which Perm Krai isn't in Siberia. And it was for political prisoners.
The Gulag didn't exist after the 50's? Tell that to Alexander Solzhenitsyn (sp).
Pissing over which is non-existent now . Why don't you talk or care about Guantanamo Bay aka the modern Gulage 2.0 ? Xenopohovic cunt why hesitant about it ?
Yes, a long history of ethnic dilution/genocide in the various republics.
Why is it dumb to live in Russia?
If you answer, you will look like an idiot, as you spout western propaganda like a little child, who was spoon fed sugared cereal everyday...
Yeah COME AND TAKE IT BITCH
I'm not interested in taking anything from anybody. I'm merely suggesting that Siberia has suffered under Russian ownership long enough. They might want to rule themselves rather than take orders from geographic Russia.
Why is this a problem? It's the same argument that is being used in Ukraine to justify secession of the Donets Basin. You surely agree with it over there, so why not over here?
Once again, they never suffered. Don't know where you get that notion. Might I suggest you travel to Siberia and ask the people themselves? I myself have gone through only for a short trip and Krasnoyarsk is considered the St.Petersburg of Siberia. Very nice city and well developed and quite a few jobs (private too). Really, only major city in Siberia with some places here and there. Only 1 person wanted to have the idea of leaving Russia, but he was not even popular at all. Makes sense since Russians are dominant by majority (roughly 90%) of the population.
You need to explain yourself about the suffering part.
FWIW the Russkies controlled Siberia's east coast 150 years before the USA controlled the west bank of the Mississippi River. Or the east bank, for that matter.
So what? All those people are dead, dead, dead.
What is the problem with letting Siberians have the same free choice that Russia wants Ukrainians to enjoy?
If Russian rule is so great, nobody should have a problem with a fair plebiscite.
They were actually, in 1992. All regions of Russia was given a choice. Only region that didn't was Chechnya, and anyone with a resort of intelligence will know that many Russian citizens (not just Russians but Ukrainians too, since Grozny was a Cossack city granted to the fighters against the Ottomans in the war of 1812 in Crimea and then Eastern War).
Your revisionist history doesn't work.
I'm not revising anything. I'm just suggesting that a lot of Siberian wealth is pouring into the hands of people other than the Siberians themselves and they might want to consider their alternatives peacefully, just the same as you wish for the Eastern Ukraine, right?
And much wealth from Texas pours into Washington and other states, much wealth in Rio goes to Brazilia, much wealth from Rostov goes to Moscow, much wealth from Scotland and southern Ireland goes to London, much wealth that is from Channai goes to New Dheli, much wealth from Hong Kong goes to Shanghai, much wealth from Alberta goes to Ontario and surrounding provinces. This list goes for as many countries there are. In Russia, they have republics (siberia never asked to be a Republic), which are much like Quebec in Canada as an example, a huge portion of their wealth stays within their republic, and pay little in taxes, while getting a lot of investments from Moscow. Chechen Republic, Daegestan Republic and Russia's more popular and actually well developed one, Tatarstan, which is a Republic. Tatarstan also is one of the largest providers for military personnell and most patriotic, and they are a republic within Russia. Technically, Crimea is now a Republic of Russia.
If Siberians wanted, they could opt for being a Republic, and I bet they would get their wish if there was more demand for it. This is something I want for Eastern Ukraine more than I want it to split apart. But if having to split apart will stop the war, then so be it, no more bloodshed. But if Ukraine offered them to be a republic, then I can imagine they would accept it and all would be much better.
"Petro Poroshenko during an expanded meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers called the inhabitants of the Western regions of Ukraine "the foundation of statehood of the country." "There is no doubt. I, on the contrary, believe that Galicians are the foundation of the statehood of Ukraine", - said Poroshenko.
Of course he and Yats are going to continue gushing the silly "mantra" because they have nowhere else to go and when NovoRuss comes "knocking on his door" to disembowel and skin the fat fuck thats all that will be remembered of theboth of them will be that last graphic picture. It's the last job they will ever have. And they knew and understood it all too well when they didn't get the fundiing and military support they were told they were going to get from Kerry and Biden 10 months ago.
Trust me. Mr. Kolomoisky reminds him every day of that fact as he continues to fuck up losing both patience and money, I wouldn't be at all surprised that as it continues to go "south", Ihor has that passport to Tel Aviv at the ready as the planned escape route when Porko is hanging from a meat hook with Yat on the Maidan!
It looks like the statement Albright purportedly made is untrue.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putting-words-in-albrights-mo...
It looks like the statement Albright purportedly made is untrue.
Yeah! That evil fucking witch would never say something like that ?!!!
Is the "J' silent for the name of individual that wrote that piece for the Times?... I keep having this vision of an armada of luxury ocean liners full of " " leaving Russia for destinations unknown just like in the 70's when they came to Tel Aviv...
If they keep this shit up with the Ukraine that dream will become a reality for them again. Rest assured!
Managed chaos?
Mismanaged chaos.
Fixed it!
It's the Reagan Doctrine, Round II
This time Russia is again the 1st and foremost target, but China is also a prime target in Round II.
The aim? Regime Change / Collapse in Russia and in China by virtue of inflicting economic harm, thus spurring discontent, leading to popular uprisings and 'overthrow' (outright or indirect) of the anti-Western regimes.
The U.S. believes it has every chance of succeeding in causing upheaval and regime change in some form in Russia and China before either regime can mount the wherewithal to fight back directly in any meaningful way.
Russia-China are being rushed down the path toward retaliation - but they have the challenge of making such retaliation occur soon enough and in a form which doesn't do them more harm than it does to their enemy. That's a big, but not insurmountable, challenge for Russia-China.
You can be sure that the two are crafting their retaliation very carefully, and that they won't be too late with it.
The greater the level of committment on the U.S. side, the greater its impatience, over-confidence and vulnerability - so Russia-China are, in all likelihood, letting the U.S. advance. They want to chop off much more than a finger when the time is right. They want to put a final end to the U.S. global dictatorship. So this could take another few years to get to the point where the time is right for massive retaliation.
There is also the possibility that Russia-China will retaliate in a carefully measured way for some time, leading up to the final head-smash against the U.S. Time alone will tell.
But as Putin stated only a few days ago, the unipolar world order the U.S. is seeking to perpetuate and strengthen will never be accepted by Russia - which means it will be scuppered by Russia-China when the time is right.
Yes Joe, the US is just plain ignorant with a dick up its ass, and has never even thought about or carefully considered Russia and China "being measured
'..No siree Joe you figured out what the US could not..you are amazing..wow what savant you are joesphina
Actually the US is about 10 steps ahead of this, and is orchestrating folks where they need to be, and the only thing that will be getting "chopped" Joe, are the Rius-China heads that will roll
You sound very sure of yourself, yet it is evident that things are really not going the route the US wanted as of right now. So this gives us the indication that you are already wrong.
What makes you think that it is "evident" things are not going the US way right now?
Do tell why?, just because i got my six pack and big mac? dad da da da da..lovin it
"yes ill have that new flatulence burger with cheese"
Because USA wouldn't be throwing around threats if it was sure of itself.
edit for grammar issue.
Try making a sane argument next time.
Hint: A sane argument is not one based wishful thinking that gives US leaders far more credit as to their intelligence than is deserved. Your Amerika uber alles argument is rooted in fantasy, not fact.
That would explain one of the many uses of DoD Cloud Computing: run Ultimate Sim Games for virtually any scenario of Game Theory.
lol but you still don't get it, homeboy lol
Somebody should get busy and build the natural gas pipeline through Syria from United Arab Emerates to Europe. Take along as big an army for bodyguards as the project requires to remove anthing that gets in the way. That's is what this standoff is all about. The gas pipeline through Syria.
Syria doesn't border neither with UAE, not with Europe.
Russians are building a pipeline through the Black Sea.
Why can't Europeans build a pipeline from Israel to Italy through the Mediterranean Sea?
Well Russia shouldn't have been located so close to Kiev. and our NATO bases, dammit...yeah.
The Merkel lady looks like she just figured out she cannot serve two masters.
Or she just realized she's in for a DP. Or worse.
Looking at other participants... it looks like Porky is too full of himself and others are dancing around him (just WHO is giving his this kind of Carter Blanche endorsement? ), and Putin looks totally marginalized.
Given the contrast, this pic tells me that things will not end well.
the three stooges. for the benefit of the foto op.
where is kerry, nuland mcain?
Putin's top security advisor espouses what ZH'ers have known for a while.
That, as a KGB field operative (and a diminutive one at that), he was specifically trained to take it up any orifice from anybody of any appearance and any sexual persuasion and make it seem like he really liked it?
Or are you referring to something else?
Referring to this:
Putin's Top Security Advisor: "Current US Approach Leads To Inevitable Confrontation With Russia And China"
is this the best you can do? what a moron you are. lmao
Russia will need to respond is exactly what Hewnry Kissinger said in an interview. He opined it was a huge POTUS mistake to get involved in the Ukraine and may lead to direct confrontation with Russia and he said China will have no choice but to assit Russia.
He said barry should have worked to contain Russia thru cooperation instead of confrontation.
Managed chaos, maybe. But if you ever get the chance to look on youtube at the interview of the CIA agent, put out by Seventh Day Adventists, you'll get a very interesting description of history that you probably hadn't heard before. According to the old CIA operative, it was two Jesuits who went to Russia and killed Tsar Nikolaus and his family. To get rid of the Russian Orthodox Church they formented the Bolshevik Revolution and then started communism in the schools, teaching children at a very young age not to believe in religion. One of the things Putin has done is re-establish the Russian Orthodox Church. There is a on youtube where he exposes the NWO in a speech at the G-8, (I think). There is also an interview of a gentelman who went to the USSR after its collapse and was amazed to see how little it had been plotting against the US and how it didn't understand why the US was breathing down its neck. The US had thought that Russia was advancing spy weapons, etc. against the US, but it wasn't.
I don't see managed chaos in Russia. It is evident in Europe, Venezuela and the US. And it seems like they are trying to export it to Russia, via Ukraine.
Maybe I'm cynical but I think they all want WWIII so they can toast the majority of humankind now that they've (the elites) sucked us all dry and have enough to survive for the next few hundred years. By then there won't be much need for human labor since the robots will do everything. So long and thanks for all the fish.
http://news.yahoo.com/senate-democrats-come-against-fed-audit-bill-220915570--business.html
Here's a little comic relief for you.
KHIBINY only
KHIBINY only tip of iceberg
When the SU fighter with a Khibiny overflew the USS Donald Cook and knocked out its electronics, do you think Putin went the full Monty with the Russian Army's bag of tricks?
Did he show the world the only high tech weapon in his arsenal, or was the Khibiny over the USS Donald Cook just a teaser?
Ask yourself this. If I were Putin would I tell the enemy what my ace in the hole is or would save my ace in the hole for when the battle broke out?
And if you were Putin wouldn't you alo want to make the US think that a jet with a Khibiny has to overfly a warship to make it blind?
This whole issue isn't really a laughing matter as you, me, and your kids might just end up as ashes.
it's all a joke
No need to worry now bitchez. There ain't going to be a future anyhow.
I've been here a very long time and you know life doesn't make a lot of sense. Something seems to be screwed up about the whole thing.
Think about it. The stars exploded and people crawled out of the oceans and started talking to each other and began taking drugs and cheating to get more of everything. For what might I ask. The stars are idiots and the planets corrupt. Not a freaking alien will set foot on this god forsaken planet. Big deal the whole world is going to explode. Who cares.
Here's what Moscow (and RT) will not report honestly and openly, either to the Russian people, nor to the abject English-speaking fanboys of Moscow's ultra-nationalist expansionist militarism.
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Excerpts from Feb 9th 2015 press conference remarks:
Chancellor Merkel and President Obama Joint Press Conference - February 09, 2015
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Germany's foreign policy is crystal clear on what the end-point of this must necessarily be.
Territorial usurping via Moscow-armed Russian enclaves, acting as a colonial fifth-column is intolerable and out of the question, and is considered to be vital threat to Europe, and to the entire world's nations, and their national borders.
i.e. the west is not going to turn away and back down. They are, and are going to continue to offer Putin and his provocateurs a peaceful way out of Ukraine. If he refuses, that is Putin's choice - on the behalf of the Russian people, who would then pay the terrible long-term costs. Either the aggression from Moscow stops via diplomatic means, or the Russian economy, finances and currency will be destroyed, and if Moscow continues to attack Ukraine, non diplomatic methods will inevitably result.
So what's the US's stated policy on all this then, other than already repeatedly saying it sees no potential for a viable military solution in Ukraine?
i.e. which means the US is NOT going to war with Russia if it can possibly be diplomatically avoided and the situation defused, which is wholly predicated on the cumulative, current and future actions of Moscow supporting territorial theft of other country's UN recognized Sovereign territories.
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Hard to contrive that into the US actually wanting to conflagrate a global war with Russia (oh ... and China! ... the Putin 'advisor' throws China into the mix to make it seem viable and scary, though I'm quite sure Beijing knows all this crap spewing out of Moscow is pure fabricated bullshit), but Putin's dippy 'adviser' manages to do just that, so dedicated are these desperados to warp and twist the clearly declared Western diplomatic intents and policies and explain their need and limited purposes.
Oh noes, instead it must be systematically beat-up into Putin's Alice-in-Wonderland Russian ultra-nationalist 'evil bully West' conspiracy claptrap.
No Mr. Putin. Pretending to be innocent and to be put-upon by an evil-intending West will not save your economy, national finances, nor state power. And nor will your propaganda rattle or dissuade any government in the WEST from nailing your economy and currency into the ground for doing this.
The reality is, that the more of this sort of nonsense Moscow spreads around, in the hope of making the West back-off, and go soft on its armed aggression and conquests in other countries to annex their territory, the more clear and starkly obvious it is to all that it's high time to put an end to your little territory-stealing power-trips.
Oh really? Such absurd propaganda claims are published specifically for western consumption, to evoke fear and a pull-back from current policies - it's simply not going to work.
The West's current policies are a response to action, not to words, or absurdist propaganda claims. So don't hold your breath waiting for this to change or pin your hopes on it changing Vlad, as it's just not going to work out that way.
What results will be the responsibility of the Government and failed leadership of Vladimir Putin, and his perverse mental-case 'advisers', and resulting self-defeating government policies and expansionist militarist action.
The diplomatic warnings have been very clearly delivered.
Complete bullshit and obfuscation, Mr Putin!
The whole reason this is occurring is that Moscow, and Putin ultra-nationalist militarist extremism, in particular, refuses to accept that Ukraine is a UN recognized Sovereign Independent country.
Putin simply wants to illegally try to treat an independent neighboring State like it's a break-away from the constituted Russian Federation!
If that State, Ukraine, wishes closer ties with western Europe just who the hell are you to invade and steal Crimea? Steal their Navy? Steal their air bases? And then support, fuel and escalate a civil war within another state?
And just forget about roping China into your catastrophic foreign policy faeces, China's #1 declared international foreign policy and diplomatic principle begins with non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries. i.e. the diametric opposite of what Moscow has been doing within Ukraine.
So if Putin thinks the Chinese are going to buy into his delusional utter rot and propaganda then he's powerfully deluded, and profoundly mistaken.
You have issues! And like to cut and paste and lie alot...
You need help, like a bunch of Russian haters on this site...
So directly quoting the stated policies and positions of the German and US governments and the entrained reality of what this means for Europe and NATO posture and actions, as a whole, and the West in general, and what they will be doing as a result, somehow adds up to not being relevant to Russia's likely outcome, from here, in your estimation?
OK ... whatever ... it isn't me, personally who is a 'hater', or has issues, this is a personal comment from me, yes, but it is in no way hate-based (why would I even bother!), it is matter-of-fact based.
i.e. non-partisan, and thus far more objective than you could even pretend to be, on any topic.
But yes, I must admit that my once significant admiration for Putin's prior actions and statements have since been progressively completely reversed due to Putin's subsequent actions and statements, from about the end of Nov-Dec 2013. And I do admit to personally thinking he's a disastrous idiot, who has now lead Russia into a fetid sewer of failed choices, and ensuing severe impacts for the Russian people.
And?
At least I'll be entirely honest here and say that Vladimir Putin's clearly a vapid stupid cunt for doing that.
Fair enough? Do I hate him? No. But he is a vapid stupid cunt.
But besides all that the copying of direct quotes of what Merkel actually said, and thinks, and what the German govt is actually prepared and intending to do about it all, is clearly what Putin (and also thus, and very clearly, RT also, and its hosts) really doesn't seem to want the Russian people to know about and actually fully understand and acknowledge.
That this is the real situation facing them, personally, and as a country, now.
If all you have to object with is that condemnation of accurate and highly salient and current as well as entirely topical copy-'n-paste of such direct quotes - you know what? I think I can live with that! :D
PS: 'Basho', same applies your belligerent neanderthal histrionic brain-diarrhea, I'm yet to see you ever say anything that wasn't the output of a morbidly psychotic deranged mind.
You've not learnt anything here except being an ignorant and posting your uncited rant .
Haha! ... soes ... one bozo accuses me of using too much cited 'sourced' quoted material, and the other Putin jizzbot claims I don't have enough 'sourced' stuff!
Waaaaaay funny! :D
You've not learnt anything here except being an ignorant and posting your uncited rant .
"learnt" ? what the fuck word is tht?
What I have LEARNED is to identify an ignorant uneducated mother fucker than cannot even use real words., i.e. "learnt"
Maybe I need to start posting in pictures for you fuckstick, would that help? you fucking troll fuck inbred imbecile
"Russian haters on thi site"? really?
Actually, I am one of the few posters here that has the balls to call all of you fucking douchebag Russians out as either blatant propagandists acting on behalf of Putin, or the others that are blowing him
Fuck you, get the fuck out, stay the fuck out, live in your siberian radiated shit hole wildernes .. and shut the fuck up
Actually, from years of observation it's clear the sad human truth is that most of them are just idiots constantly led around by the nose by conspiratorial hate-blogs, where hook-line-and-sinker consumption of the content is what occurs, and their brain automatically goes into neutral as they allow themselves to be brain-washed by silly muck. (skeptical actively thinking people won't bother reading that crap after a page or two)
Then they just regurgitate what they've 'learnt'.
That the majority of people do that. It's why propaganda is so damned useful, and works so well globally. It's how advertisers sell coke-a-cola at exorbitant prices to dimwits who are 100% prepared to pay it, and be willingly and thoroughly ripped-off, daily. So no, this pathetic max steel turd is almost certainly just another one of those dimwits, regurgitating their 'learnt' propaganda lessons from their current fav pet conspiracy-hate expose`style hype site.
And frankly zh has been steadily transitioning into becoming, or at least increasingly incorporating just such wacky 'learnt' programming conspiracy-oriented hate website content for a few years now. It's just during the past 12 months that its' become more and more obvious that this is what's occurring, and a larger number of people have understandably found it too scummy to read any more, and voted with their feet.
The commentariate has likewise undergone a steady degradation and I think of it as an analogue of Gresham's Law, applied to comment sections. The only way to stop the drift is for Tyler to change the content and its editorial bent. And that isn't happening. Sating the readership pays better, apparently, hence the comment section's death-spiral we see. He's apparently OK with the content, and its increasingly dippy bent on many topics. The zh manifesto essentially says trust nothing here, do your own checking, your own research and own thinking, and don't believe or accept any damned thing you see, or read, on zh.
And that is some really excellent and highly relevant advice - more and more so.
mutti merkel is barry's pet monkey.
...and you, you are a joke. lol
Just a simple question about territorial integrity.......Palestine/Israel/ golan heights??????
This is NOT a civil war, it is an invasion by Putin's forces to neutralize Ukraine. Putin has succeeded in turning even Russian speakers in East Ukraine against joining Russia. This is the state of most Russians, despite the phony polls published showing 80% favor Putin. A year ago, Putin was in control of Ukraine, via his crime families and his own puppet. ALMOST ALL Ukrainians, including Russians in East, revolted against that corruption. I don't expect Putin will win this battle, as the bodies pile up and he must suppress even Russia's own mothers from revealing the truth. He is an evil despicable greedy KGB agent, always will remain so!
Putin's successor will have the opportunity to join the free markets of Europe, and Russia's economy will begin to grow. Let it be a PEACEFUL rivalry among free economies in all of Europe!
how very naive you are. wake up fool.
if this gets hot, you can kiss your ass goodbye, and good riddance. lol
Wow! From the comments I've read pertaining to this article it sounds like you and "Element" have day jobs as script writers for FOX Neus. USA, USA, USA!!!!
Their real intent is secretly embedded in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws2En8SUEgc
USG - total morons - $18T says so
China wants Russia to succeed else it knows the US will move its focus to China and do the same. Provke civil unrest within China an on its borders.
It is in China's long term interest that the old US methodology of creating war regeim change chaose sanctions along with systemic lying....ultimately fails.
Beware trouble in Saudi Arabia and the destruction of much of its oil producing infrastructure through proxies like Turkey, Iran....
Beware civil strife in Kiev that then frees up the East from constant waring by Ukraine.....and the US is giving Russia valid excuse to intervene in order to protect its own safety.
Merkle shouldl be shitting herself...Germany two world wars.....doesn't want escalating conflict in Europe. The USA does want war in Europe.
"... Provke civil unrest within China an on its borders. ..."
Why does that follow? Did that happen to Japan? So why would the US do that to China? There' not even a need to, it's happening already from internal matters alone, with no assistance, support or incitement from a foreign input. They're in full control of internet and public surveillance and still can't quash it. So Beijing already has that problem, it didn't come from the West.
And getting up the west's nose, their biggest export customers and production materials source, would be an extremely poor strategic and economic choice. Remember that we can do without China's production, Japan, Germany and others can build anything necessary, no problems at all (and they'd be more than OK with that, if that were to eventuate, hence China's decision to get much closer to Australia and build far better relations with the west - for the long-term).
Plus China knows that if they interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine, they no longer have that principle to fall-back on with respect to their own internal affairs and ructions. The West winks at what goes on in China simply due to China insisting on others not interfering in the internal affairs of the Chinese state, and it will not mess with other states either - almost everyone wants that to remain the case. So that's the deal and they're not about to change it and massively undermine their own strategic position and stability to help Russia out of a fantastic mess that Putin made for it, via Putin doing exactly what China continually says states should not ever do. All the West has to do is keep doing what it's been doing with respect to China, i.e. trade with it, be nice, don't interfere.
So Russia is out in the cold on its own. China is not going to knee cap itself over Russian aggression on the Russian border when the largest border Russia has is with China. So in many ways the interests of China are better served by quietly letting the West uphold the principle of lawful UN recognized Sovereign territory not being altered by armed force.
Both China and the West pretty much want all of the current situation and mutual relationships to continue to develop.
What does Russia really have to offer China that it doesn't already have, or can't get, via a better relationship with the West, its largest trading partners and markets, by far?
China has already looked and that is why it has not leapt to follow Putin's now numerous precipitous mistakes.
The jews got WWI, WWII, the Iraq Invasion,... Its JUST a question of time until they get WWIII and KILL ALL European goyim and make Jerusalem their World capital.
Despite what Merke, Hollande, and most of the other EU leaders say (except the UK and a couple of others) they all know that Russia represents the future for Europe. The new global paradigm which is slowly emerging, and which places the US firmly as a declining power, is outside of the current western banking syndicate.
Those who have run the world for millenia are doing all they can to stop this from happening -to no avail.
The peoples of the world are tired of war, and the new era of peace which is beckoning is far too desireable to continue to allow a small number of warmongers to continue unopposed. Welcome to Nova Earth.
I don't necessarily disagree with your remarks, except for two aspects.
(1) Yes, the US is a relatively declining power at present. But I do not accept a general assumption (that usually comes with that) that they won't remain a formidable power, that's remains in a far better and more commanding strategic position, than all other powers. It is also highly likely to retain a powerful alliance structure iin that decline, and it combined will remain predominant in most respects.
(2) PNAC is a strategic and American State Dept reality. The Americans do mean to make it so. They hope to do it with a minimum of conflicts, but they absolutely intend to make it the case and to make the global moves at a geopolitical level to remain in that situation within a century-scale timeline of considered action.
Consequently, geopolitics is pretty much baked-in if another major power wants that to change. China does not at this point want a conflict of that sort. But Russia does want to change that.
As I quoted in the comment above, the American (PNAC) preference is:
So as I see it the current dispute, and its ludicrous hysterical western conspiracy framing, developed by Putin's propaganda and speeches, is more about the divisive persona and behavioral traits of Putin, and not about the west wanting to crush Russia.
The West, in general, simply doesn't want to crush Russia, at all, But Putin's erratic actions are ensuring that it must do what it is doing. This is not the West's choice or desire.
If Russia had different leadership it's highly likely none of this current situation would have developed, or certainly not have degenerated to this sort of unfortunate extent.
Notice that no Russion official ever made any threat. Yes,they did say that if u.s. makes certain step that that will damage,influent,change relations with u.s.
I am from Serbia and I can tell you,knowing the mentality of Slavs, the Russians are dead serious about going to war with you people. Not sure if you undrstand what that means...are you ready to loose father,mother,sister,brother and still fight? I bet you my last drop of blood the Russian are,and it would not be the first time in history. General Montgomery:
Book one,chapter one,page one: never march on Moscow.
Just DONT do it
ew! scarey! Sorry, it's just not. No one in the West is scared of Russia. The West are not even impressed by Russia. Per recent events, most people now hold Russia in contempt and disdain of it as a morbid farce run by a belligerent idiot, who's intent on destroying its near and medium term future.
It's quite amazing how stupid psychos like you make an assumption that the west won't fight a major war to win. Please tell me when has that ever been true? Don't ever mistake the desire to make peace work, and of using measured proportional response, for the west being unwilling to go several steps further than Russia can, and well before they can.
As I remember, Slavic Serbia got pounded and sued for a ceasefire, several times. Funny that the allied Russian forces, operating with NATO, didn't go to war with NATO? Why? Because they were weak and more cooperative, else they would have been slaughtered if they attacked NATO forces.
Now try to follow this: The very fact that you would now attempt to make such threats towards the West, is only because Russia is now stronger. And again, mistakenly, you feel Slavs might be able to get away with that stuff. So that actually a compelling case for why it would be best if Russia and Slavs were weaker.
See how that works?
As for Russia "making no threats", Russia has in fact made the ultimate threat, to use nuclear weapons. i.e. Putin employed tactics of nuclear blackmail to try and force the world to accept his aggression and territorial conquests. That will not have gone unnoticed I can assure you, it will be being taken extremely seriously and you better believe the West will think that he means to use nukes to back this, and future territorial conquests by proxie. So they will be 100% ready to act. Plus the West now recognises that Putin's become highly erratic and is exhibiting extremist actions and issueing a lot of absurd propaganda and denial about his actions.
So that loss of trust, when combined with Putin remaining in office for 4 more years, at least, means this is going to be some very bad news for the Russian people, especially if Putin sets a foot wrong anywhere from here.
Ultra-nationalist Hitler didn't make the non-axis West cringe in fear, and nor did kamikaze militarist ultra-nationalist Japan. The West simply methodically eliminated them, because it was compelled by a necessity to do so, then made peace and a far better future with what was left, after the belligerent ultra-nationalist cunts had been finally killed off.
Russia would be no different and you're deeply mistaken if you think it would be.
Plus Russia has no capacity to take on the West and survive. It has not had that capacity since 5:30 AM, on the 16th of July, 1945.
Deal with it.
"The situation in Ukraine is being used as a pretext for the active ‘repression’ of our country,” Russia
Jeeez I would imagine even the most shorn and fleeced of Mercan sheeple has that much figured out considering the serial genocide of the psychopaths running the United Snakes of Hubri$.
Keep on flushing the filthy green, blood spattered IOU Saudi Mercan I$I$ terror backed petroscrip "reserve currency" dollah back into the Ponzi crapper in the Wall St casino of shaman chosen racer banksters in the Mercan Potemkin Village of rigged market phony "capitalism" until the clogged lines of the anglozionzi sewer finally rupture and burst in the inevitable tsunami of toxic derivative filth to wash the Washing town thugocracy down the caked bowl of history.
As Michael C Ruppert said Destroy the dollar and save mankind.
Plunge, flush and run!
"The Babyshit Revolution"
Allowing the Russian troops of Sevastopol onto Crimean streets before the referendum was a fatal miscalculation.
The reason it was a fatal miscalculation is that the ONLY DIFFERENCE of the last 70 years in Europe from the previous 2500 years is the at least overt respect of territorial sovereignty.
This one principle - to OVERTLY support territorial integrity, whatever may be done covertly (because EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION does things covertly) - has allowed Europe to be free of MASS INDUSTRIALIZED WARFARE wherever the principle has been practiced.
I think everyone knows that Crimea is ethnically Russian.
The problem driving the greater context of Ukraine is that the way it was done leads to everyone in Europe examining his neighbor's land.
The way it was done was a short-cut solution for the Kremlin, that creates long-term problems much, much, much, much bigger than any solution it provided in the short term.
Unfortunately, 70 years of relative Peace in Europe have made some people much too complacent about this fact.
Do not forget that EVERY SINGLE mixed ethnic European state came to exist because it repeatedly changed hands between conquering powers.
Do not forget that this includes Russia - who TODAY holds desireable territory that once belonged to others.
Whatever the international problems of today, they are smaller than the problems of any past century of European history.
When considering the outcome of Ukraine, everyone should consider whether ANYTHING accomplished on either side is worth a return to the CONSTANT MASS WARFARE the continent has experienced for the preceding 3000 years.