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Russia Warns US, Supplying Arms To Ukraine "Will Have Dramatic Consequences"

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As Putin arrives at the Minsk Summit, his Deputy Foreign Minister makes the Russian position clear to Washington:

  • *U.S. ARMS SUPPLIES TO UKRAINE WILL HAVE DRAMATIC OUTCOME: IFX
  • *RUSSIA WILL NOT IGNORE U.S. ARMS SUPPLIES TO UKRAINE: IFX

Hardly what Merkel or Hollande wants to hear?

As Interfax reports,

  • U.S. LETHAL WEAPONS SUPPLIES TO EAST UKRAINE WILL HAVE DRAMATIC CONSEQUENCES, RUSSIA WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY ASIDE - RYABKOV
  • CHIZHOV: U.S. IS ARTIFICIALLY SUPPORTING DEBATE IN EUROPE ON SUPPLY OF WEAPONS TO UKRAINE
  • CHIZHOV: EUROPE UNDERSTANDS THAT SUPPLY OF WEAPONS TO UKRAINE WILL INCREASE RISK OF DIRECT INVOLVEMENT OF RUSSIA

And finally Poroshenko adds,

  • POROSHENKO: SITUATION WILL GET OUT OF CONTROL IF AGREEMENT ON DE-ESCALATION OF SITUATION IN DONBAS IS NOT REACHED IN MINSK

 

 

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Putin has arrived In Minsk...

 

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Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:38 | 5772621 noben
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BHL is considered by the J'lem Post to be the 45th Most Influential Jew in the world.

Here's their list of the Top 50: http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/The-Jerusalem-Posts-to...

Note some familiar Dual Citizens:

Jack Lew
Janet Yellen
Sheldon Adelson
Steven Spielberg (Hollywood)
Matthew Bronfman (Seagram distillery heir)
Jonathan Sacks (Baron, Rabbi; rabbisacks.org)
Scarlett Johansson (Hollywood)
Natalie Portman (Hollywood)
George Soros

Looks Ben Shalom Bernanke, Alan Greenspan, Timothy Geitner didn't make the cut, nor did HRH Henry Kissinger.

Looking at the 2013 List (http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/Top-50-most-influentia...) we see some more familiar names that are not on the 2014 list...

Sergey Brin (Google co-founder)
Jon Stewart
Sheryl Sandberg (Facebook CEO)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DNC chairwoman Rep.)
Eric Cantor (former US House Majority Leader)
Elena Kagan (USSC Justice)
Jill Abramson (New York Times Executive Editor)
Mark Zuckerberg (FB Founder)
Michael Bloomberg
Lena Dunham (HBO show 'Girls' creator)
Moshe Kantor (EJC/European Jewish Congress President)
Ed Miliband (UK Labor Party leader)
Sumner Redstone (National Amusements chain chairman)
Howard Kohr (AIPAC Executive Director)
Diane von Fürstenberg (Fashion designer) German nobility? Really?
Ronald S. Lauder (WJC / World Jewish Congress President)

2012 list: http://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/jewish-features/50-most-influential-je...

13. Sacha Baron Cohen
37. Stan Lee
45. Alan Dershowitz

Could not find any list for 2001 or 2004. The closed to such a list that I could find for 2008, was this list:
http://forward.com/forward-50-2008/ which includes
Rahm Emmanuel (Chicago)
Penny Pritzker (Chicago)
Sarah Silverman (Hollywood)

I do not see these list making a distinction between these people being Jewish and being Jewish Zionists. But, who is making these lists and reading what they're doing, it's safe to assume that they are Zionists. If they weren't, they would not have "Influence".

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:47 | 5773163 The_Prisoner
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That list is a good start.

Mighty helpful from the J post to do the leg work.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:33 | 5773621 DutchR
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After your last lights goes out does i really matter?

 

Human blame game human bias, i'm human i see (bias intenet/media) things happen

 

What do I want?

 

ALL

 

so if  everyone wants all then what

 

i'm ok

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:31 | 5771644 Last of the Mid...
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What are the chances O'bola will meet him eyeball to eyeball and call "bullshit"? This is a profound teaching moment in American/russian history. We have duly elected a politically correct figurine who is completely incapable of the type of leadership necessary to look the little runt punk in the eye and call "bullshit" and Putin knows it.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:34 | 5771662 czarangelus
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I don't think Putin is bullshitting. It's the fact that the American Soviet imagines he is that makes them so dangerous.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:04 | 5771862 onthesquare
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When are we going to start seeing some made in Russia "False Flags"  These seem to be very effective on the sheeple.  The Russians have no sense of deception.  If only Eddie Bernays was still alive.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:47 | 5771710 LongOfTooth
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It all depends on which one is the little runt punk that you're referring to.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:36 | 5771671 Max Cynical
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How did we go from "tell Putin I'll have more flexibility after the elections" to this?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:43 | 5771735 IridiumRebel
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Ask ZFAGnew BreFAGinski

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:38 | 5771693 Last of the Mid...
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It is the "after the elections flexibility" the got us in this precise fucking predicament!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:38 | 5771696 Atomizer
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Merkel has her tits in a knot.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:42 | 5771721 SkiTheEast
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DRAMATIC OUTCOME = Releasing satellite imagines that “prove” 9/11 was an inside job.

 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/10/pravda-putin-threatens-to-releas...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:06 | 5771872 besnook
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it only makes sense that if a large number of laymen can see from that day's events that the puzzle diddn't fit together that people much closer to the situation know a lot more, especially when several very important former international euro security people immediately called 9/11 a false flag.

the problem with this russian plan is the overestimation of the american people. there are too few people who would actually do something with the great majority resigning themselves to the cards(9 high) they hold. the anti riot programs in the usa are very effective, from snap to local armored personel carriers.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:10 | 5772212 Atomizer
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We'lll need Brian Willlams reporting at the scene. :)

He'll defuse progressivism antics in a zippy. If you can read, you too can become a 10 million dollar/year teleprompter reader. MSM requirements, I have perky tits and can read from the screen without glasses.

Question: If we put President Obama in a Cotton field, how many yellow pink blooms could he pick a day? What would his BLS average wage be under unadjusted and adjusted quarterly review? What was Obama’s net contribution to the cotton field planation? Was he a lazy nigger or someone who helped the organization prosper?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:30 | 5772339 tired1
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Puti isn't holdig his breath. Pols in the west are waiting for some obvious military action by which to justify escalation pr. Meanwhile Russia is not so slowly making manuvers to economically make the petro dollar irrelevant in the global economy.

In history, givin the instantaneous reach of cause and effect that technology provides, there's not before been a viable global alternative to the western banking cabal the Russia/Putin now offers.

Think about the recent shifts by the BRICS and others. No need to be great freinds - just do honorable business. This has never happened on a global scale.

Talk about a threat to global hegemony.

As someone here posted the other day: Putin is so isolated that next year he may be living in the White House.

Of course, I could be mistaken. But life is short and I sometimes do my best.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:37 | 5772381 gcjohns1971
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"the anti riot programs in the usa are very effective, from snap to local armored personel carriers."

 

LOL!

 

When the people who live in the same neighborhoods as the Police riot, who do they send to stop the riot?

If Americans rebel there will not be riots or protests against the government.  Instead the government will just...cease to exist.   The American population, really and for true, has more guns than all the Armies of the earth combined.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:33 | 5773395 Parrotile
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Which will be great news for those planning to break up the US for their benefit.

Once "The Troubles" get going, it'll be an all-out street war, every little faction with an axe to grind against their "perceived enemies". Leave this to foment for a few months, send in an expeditionary force to mop-up the "survivors", and proceed to divvy up the spoils according to BRICS desires.

"There will be a gun behind every blade of grass" is WW1 thinking. This will be WW3, and weapons / delivery have progressed a great deal in the past century . . . . . .

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:21 | 5772127 Urban Redneck
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I hate to point out to the obvious, but that reeks of a tit for tat response to "Putin has AssBurgers!"

There is plenty of Cold War precedent by the KGB -- Who killed JFK? and It's all the Joos! jump to mind.

When the intelligence services start directly grappling with each other in public, truth is irrelevant and facts are manufactured.  

The goal is destabilization and "bot manufacturing/reprogramming"

There might be, and often is, some "truth" in their allegations and disclosures- but it's a prop and bait for psychological domination of the other side's "bots"

Neither the CIA nor the FSB cares about YOU or the TRUTH.  After all, "You can't handle the Truth!" -- You are a pawn in a much larger game.

So grab some popcorn and keep an open mind - this could be interesting.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:10 | 5772803 InflammatoryResponse
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people are holding themselves in much higher esteem than they should. 

 

they might aspire to be pawns someday in their fantasies.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:44 | 5771736 Captain Benny
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Meanwhile the US DOJ is funding training of the Svoboda neo Nazis in ukraine using american police.   

 

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2015/02/04/reno-police-head-ukraine-month-...

 

Why this hasn't been widely known is a big question to me...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:53 | 5771787 BlussMann
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"Neo Nazis" owned by Mossad Jews, who also own the Americunts.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:17 | 5771813 Jorgen
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"Meanwhile the US DOJ is funding training of the Svoboda neo Nazis in ukraine using american police.  

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2015/02/04/reno-police-head-ukraine-month-... "

 

Hmm, Reno police...

http://youtu.be/oQLWHOzGrgI

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:05 | 5772782 neuronius
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Man, that show was funny!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:11 | 5771896 onthesquare
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International Criminal Investigative Training Assistance Program Regional Project Office in Kiev.

otherwise known as the ICITAPRPO in Kiev.  Who comes up with this crap?  Are these guys crossdresser?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:22 | 5772230 Pretty Maggie M...
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I'll see your police training and raise you US army training

The U.S. military plans in March to start training Ukrainian soldiers who are battling Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, a top U.S. military commander in Europe said Wednesday.

U.S. Army Europe Commander Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges said a battalion of U.S. soldiers would train three battalions of Ukrainians from the Interior Ministry at the Yavariv training center in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv.

WARSAW, Poland — Feb 11, 2015, 12:37 PM ET By VANESSA GERA Associated Press
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-army-start-training-ukr...
Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:00 | 5772759 neuronius
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"This is a great opportunity for the Reno Police Department," he said. "We are nationally and internationally recognized and that's how we were asked to participate. I think it's an honor to our people who will do a fantastic job." - Reno Chief of Police Steve Pitts

 

If it's such an honor, how come nobody knew about it?

I'm sure they are receiving training as well... scary.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:46 | 5771737 Prober
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ALL Russian gangster thug barbarian invaders who are in Eastern European countries and disike living in those countries due to government policies, political parties, language, etc MUST get their asses back to Russia or be recycled. Russia is the LARGEST country in the world, by a huge multiple, plenty of space for ALL Russians to live INSIDE Russia rather than invading neighboring countries.

I would give the Eastern European countries ALL the weapons USA has, including nukes, to drive the Russian vermin back inside Russia and keep them confined there.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:56 | 5771796 Mike Honcho
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Plenty of space, yup, I hear cabin rentals on the Artic are going cheap these days.

 

Your ? avatar is perfect.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:58 | 5771815 Atomizer
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Avatar is stating clueless [?]

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:55 | 5771797 Atomizer
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Prober from DOD sitting on a Prober muti-million deal to close using US taxpayers to fund. Do you think I'm Prober right?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:56 | 5771800 The_Prisoner
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Timoshenko, is that you?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:10 | 5772218 Prober
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KGB Vlad, is that you ?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:37 | 5773414 Parrotile
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Vladimir is a pretty common name in Eastern Europe , so you could well be right.

But - I suspect that's "not the Vlad you are looking for" (per Star Wars)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:00 | 5771837 The_Prisoner
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Speaking of vermin. If all the zionists go live in Israel, you've got a deal.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:10 | 5772214 Prober
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I agree, but arabs/muslims do not - let them fight it out.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:17 | 5771932 tuttisaluti
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You shall not upvote yourself! 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:52 | 5772105 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I would give the Eastern European countries ALL the weapons USA has, including nukes, to drive the Russian vermin back inside Russia and keep them confined there.

You know, made me laugh. US citizens' capacity to deny the most obvious fact and their wish for people to deny with them will never cease to amaze me, I suppose.

Problem with US citizens is they failed to picture themselves as they are. They prefer the flattering images sold to them by propagandists like Hollywood.

This leads to serious distortions in their analysis.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:38 | 5772386 tired1
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Member for
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Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:49 | 5772435 Joe A
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Yup, another troll fresh out of Kiev troll school.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:44 | 5771741 besnook
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the usa has become israel, great at bombing people who can't fight back but inept and chickenshit when a real opponent steps up.

gotta love the diplospeak for "don't do that or i'll fuck you up!". hollywood can't write this stuff.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:09 | 5772206 smacker
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That's a very revealing hand sign Mutti is showing ...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:48 | 5771765 dot_bust
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It's amazing how the banks suck everyone into war. Their proxies are the politicians.

No banks = no war.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:01 | 5771841 samsara
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ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS!

by Michael Rivero

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerswars.pdf
For example read these quotes.

"He who controls the money supply of a nation, controls the nation"

James Garfield He was shot.

"Our financial system needs some revision; our money isall good now, but its value must not further be threatened. It should all be put upon an enduring basis, not subject to easy attack, nor its stability to doubt or dispute. Our currency should continue under the supervision of the Government. The several forms of our paper money offer, in my judgment, a constant embarrassment to the Government and a safe balance in the Treasury."

—William McKinley


He was shot.

But then.....

Finally, in 1913, the Private Central Bankers of Europe, in particular the Rothschilds of Great Britain and the Warburgs of Germany, met with their American financial collaborators on Jekyll Island, Georgia to forma new banking cartel with the express purpose of forming the Third Bank of the United States, with the aim of placing complete control of the United States money supply once again under the control of private bankers. Owing to hostility over the previous banks, the name was changed to "The Federal Reserve" system in order to grant the new bank a quasi-governmental image, but in fact it is a privately owned bank, no more "Federal "than Federal Express.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:33 | 5772015 Jack Burton
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Indeed! All wars are bankers wars. History proves this! And WHO owns and runs the banks?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:04 | 5772168 mendolover
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The Jesuits.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:46 | 5772421 tired1
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Specifiaclly, who the hell knows? Talk about hidden behind numerous firewalls.

There does seem to be a common thread that goes back to the days of Babylon.

BTW, March 3rd is comming and so is Bibi. I wonder what's in store for humanity at large.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:44 | 5772691 noben
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We'll never know officially, given that Sen. Elisabeth Warren opposes Sen. Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" bill.
www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-10/warren-opposes-congressional-meddling-...

This makes Warren the top Dem candidate after Hillary, no doubt.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:25 | 5772322 dot_bust
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Excellent points!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 20:19 | 5773820 samsara
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"If my sons did not want war, there would be none"

Gutle Schnaper, wife of Mayer Amschel Rothschild and mother of his five sons.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:50 | 5771778 BlussMann
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So Russia is getting tired of the Magic American Monkeys trying to be the worlds street bully and standing up for a change- what arrogance !

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:56 | 5771801 lakecity55
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Vlad: "There is a monkey with a hand grenade loose on the world stage. This may be dangerous."

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:55 | 5771792 p00k1e
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What's Putin gonna do?  Kill us all - he'll die too. 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:58 | 5771819 The_Prisoner
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Nah! If the west keeps pushing Russia, dying will be the prime choice. Living will become a bit of an "acquired taste".

Refer to Nevile Shutte's "On the beach" for lyrical inspiration if required.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:07 | 5771878 p00k1e
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Nah.  We just need a catchy slogan.  Where’s the senile one, McCain when we need him? 

 

‘We'll be Boot, boot, boot’in Putin’

 

Nancy Sinatra - These Boots Are Made for Walkin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:50 | 5773469 walktheline
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Or,if you can get hold of a copy, a British film made back in the 60's that was deemed to horrific for release called "When the Wind Blows".  I think it was briefly shown over here on TV in the late 80's or eaerly 90's. Utterly horrific, utterly realistic. Pissed off the political scum over here no end.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:17 | 5771923 Atomizer
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Were you one of the JOO's who left the Urkaine and Paris when times smelled like a gas chamber? Don't worry, social media with catch up with you. You stupid kike's can't run, but we always find you. Tell the gypsies who give you a road map, your just hundled. No kosher food is permitted. Suck on your pigtails.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:55 | 5771799 Lumberjack
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That looks a bit like the plane that went down in Ukraine... 

 

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:34 | 5772022 Lumberjack
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What I find interesting is that he did not pull a Hillary or Brian Williams regarding that incident. Admirable restraint has been demonstrated here.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:37 | 5772035 smacker
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This is old news about the two planes having similar livery.

At the time it was thought that Putin's plane was on a similar flightpath to MH-17 but it was later confirmed that his plane flew considerably further north of MH-17 back to Moscow.

But that doesn't mean the Kiev fascists knew that at the time when they shot down MH-17. They may well have thought it was Putin's plane.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:44 | 5772411 Caleb Abell
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Probably on orders from the CIA.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:58 | 5771809 RaceToTheBottom
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OT Kiss of death for Jeb Bush, as if he needed an external kiss of death....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/henry-kissinger-endorse-jeb-bus...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:22 | 5771957 Uncle Remus
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His KoD occurred at insemination.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:36 | 5772027 Lumberjack
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He only went to 11 sex parties last year...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 12:59 | 5771825 Gunter
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The Germans are not interested. An invitation for this poll (in German) is said to have gone to 100,000 people this morning. Most couldn't be bothered http://energielos.blogspot.de/

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:15 | 5771838 ThisIsBob
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The USA is already supplying Ukraine with cia, mercs, advisors, intelligence, satellites, listening posts, cash, etc. and quite likely arms and ammo.

How's that working out for ya, Mister Prersident? 

 

PS:  Where are the fucking ATC tapes and intercepts?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:21 | 5771953 Anunnaki
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http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion/2015/02/nato-artillery-firing-us-ordnance-us-already-supplying-lethal-weaponry-2452204.html

American presstitutes keeping this fact off the radar. Somewhere on Col. Cassad's site I remember seeing an unexploded NATO shell in Donetzsk

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:08 | 5772192 rejected
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Langley....

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:52 | 5772719 noben
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So now they ADD a dozen A-10 Thunderbolt II ('Warthog') attack jets and about 300 airmen to Germany.

The A-10 Warthog carries a 7-barrel GAU-8/A Avenger Gatling gun, that fires 30mm rounds designed to destroy tanks and other armored combat vehicles.

Somebody define "defensive", when it is a DUAL-use (Offensive and Defensive) weapon. I guess it depends if the ground troops being supported are advancing or retreating.

The deployment comes as the US House of Representatives introduced legislation authorizing $1 billion in military aid to Ukraine through 2017. If authorized, the package would allow the Pentagon to provide to the Ukraine military “training equipment, lethal weapons of a defensive nature, logistics support, supplies and services.”

The provisions of the bill, according to its authors, are designed to protect Ukraine’s “sovereign territory against foreign aggressors,” and defend Ukrainians from attacks by “Russian-backed separatists.”

Western governments, without finding it necessary to substantiate their claims with physical evidence, continue to accuse Russia of supporting rebels in Eastern Ukraine blaming the crisis on Russia. Moscow has vehemently rejected the claims.

At the same time, Moscow is regularly on the receiving end of criticism from Washington even when it holds military exercises on its own territory.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:39 | 5774059 flapdoodle
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The A-10 is a tough as nails ground support platform, but it has gained its reputation in an environment where the US AirForce had full spectrum domination of the airspace. I suspect it would not fare too well against an environment with a robust air defence posture such as would provide the S-300,400 and 500 or even the less sophisticated Russian offerings, let alone in situations where it has to go against actual modern interceptors.

Think of the A-10 as the modern re-incarnation of the Stuka, sort of. The Stuka thrived when there weren't any enemy fighters overhead.

 

 

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:03 | 5771846 Quinvarius
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There is no way Russia will let Ukrainians kill ethnic Russians with NATO weapons.  The war will end very quickly with a Russian occupation of Kiev.  And then we will see how badly Obama can screw up by escalating the situation even more.  I am pretty the next step is ending DC if Obama does not learn from his mistakes or read a history book.  Putin isn't going to enter a long drawn out war with the US.  It will end the moment Obama makes a move to retaliate.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:16 | 5771925 Uncle Remus
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Anytime before April 15th works for me.
Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:17 | 5771927 Anunnaki
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Here's what is going to happen

1. Obama will give weapons to KIev

2. Immediate invasion of Ukraine by Russia

3. Poroshenko and his other Neo Khazarian crooks will take their private jets to Israel

4. Merkel and Obama get financial sanctions against Russia

5. Russia cuts off gas and oil to the Eurotards

6. World War III starts over some manufactured incident in Eastern Slobovia somewhere

7. Obama finds out the hard way Nuclear wars are not winnable by either side

8. Cockroaches prevail over what ever is left

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:21 | 5771951 j0nx
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The only cockroaches that will prevail are those that started this shit who will survive in their bunkers while the rest of us die in fire above. Much to my chagrin they will repopulate the Earth with their evil seed 1000 years hence and we will repeat the entire process 5000 years from there. That is the nature of things.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:24 | 5772317 will ling
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no # of bunkers will prevent the demise.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:30 | 5773093 tarabel
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Sounds okay to me. When do we start?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:17 | 5771931 onthesquare
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But still I would like to see Putin's 9/11 album.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:01 | 5772768 scrappy
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Here is one of his music videos...superputin ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws2En8SUEgc

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:15 | 5771916 SoDamnMad
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Putin is really interested in bringing peace to Ukraine.

Hey!  We have a Nobel Peace Prize candidate here.

 

sarc/

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:15 | 5771919 cherry picker
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Bozo wants to go to war in Iraq, where Saddam used to have a 1,000,000 man army.  I guess they can't fight anymore.

And he wants to support the Nazis in Kiev.

If he gets his way I want to close the Northern border so draft dodgers don't come up here like they did in Viet Nam as no sane person is going to want to be in the US armed forces to die in foreign lands for causes they know nothing about.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:20 | 5771942 yogibear
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"no sane person is going to want to be in the US armed forces to die in foreign lands for causes they know nothing about."

All to make ever more money for the banking elite.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:20 | 5771943 Uncle Remus
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You imply a draft, which isn't going to happen. As to 'patriotic' volunteers - that requires that one be willing and able. *snort*

Or needing citizenship. See Rome.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:59 | 5772141 rejected
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They've been dying in these useless wars for a century now and it don't look like they have tired of it yet.

And those same people who dodged the draft in Viet Nam are the very same sending their grand children to war now.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:19 | 5772585 Quinvarius
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We have the internet now.  Facts can be gathered outside of governmnet channels.  It will be interesting to see if that matters to potential warfighters.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:21 | 5771936 BlussMann
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Well, America's REAL boss. Natahyahu, will be speaking to Congress on March 3, invited by Boner (bypassed the usual diplomatic channels, but hey, when you're the Boss Man).  America's marching orders forthcoming.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:43 | 5772065 Sweet Cheeks
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Why the snarky comments about Netanyahu? Obama does everything possible to undermine the Israeli PM.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:30 | 5772279 escapeefromOZ
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That would be a wanderful opportunity to terminate Nitwitniahu , a service for America and a service for mankind 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:20 | 5771948 Fix It Again Timmy
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On all fronts, the chant is "I'm warning you!"  Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse, Me; Will somebody do something?....

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:22 | 5771958 surfvin
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I bet Putin and Obama are drinking buddies. Plotting how to keep the ignorant masses under controll.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:25 | 5771971 cn13
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If the U.S. actually comes to blows with Russia over the Ukraine, I hope the first missile launched lands right on Washington D.C. eviscerating all the neo-con war mongers.

 

I want the United States people to be so sick and fed up with war that they finally demand that we bring home our troops, quit waging war just because we can, and work to rebuild our country.

 

But in order to do so, current leadership in the U.S. needs to be extinguished.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:30 | 5771999 Pol Pot
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Knock...knock....who's there...
The NSA, Secret Service, and your local FBI guy...

You best start runnin.....

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:25 | 5771974 Pundit
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I wonder if it will really take a nuclear war for the west to realize that Russia simply won't back down?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:33 | 5772013 yogibear
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Obama and his crew never served in the military. To them it's one big political game and lying.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 18:53 | 5773481 Parrotile
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Their plan is to simply fly off to "somewhere nice" and leave the mess behind them.

I get the very strong impression that the "High Command" really have NO idea of how globally destructive even a "limited" nuclear war would be, with all those unpredictable, "unintended consequences" of such an engagement.

Nuclear power stations are not hardened against EMP, and even a reasonably modest yield "city killer" 150kt local detonation produces a significant EMP event. "Wall to Wall Chernobyls", added to the effects of targeted nukes, would certainly make living anywhere quite a challenge.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 21:47 | 5774096 flapdoodle
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Serving in the military as cannon fodder is for Goyim...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:38 | 5772043 Uchtdorf
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We're less than two years away from Chinese troops on the West Coast and Russians walking around the East coast. Rome fell and so will USSA.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:31 | 5772006 Jack Burton
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Although Americans with a taste for Imperial Washington would dispute the Russians right to take any action at all should Washington begin a renewed arms shipment to Kiev's Junta Government, I think there is an argument to made fo their taking some counter action. There was an elected government in Kiev, put there in an election all international election monitors agreed was free, fair and open. Although the Priminester was elected, therre is no doubt he was mega corrupt, but so was the government he replaced. The Washington elites admit in public they spent 5 billion long term, and several billion short term to organize, fund and train the Coup leaders and coup army that attacked in Kiev. The Junta that took over was chosen by the Washington foreign policy elites, again admitted. The present government, can by international law, be judged dubious at best, illegal if you follow the money and evidence trail.

The coup might have worked, except for the large Nazi presence in the heart of the coup leaders and Maidan mobs. They acted recklessly upon taking power, their threats to depopulated Donbass, make Russian language illegal and strip Donbass of any political powers made the rebels actions understandable. Like, what American would accept the deal that the Junta offered the Donbass? Nobody would, so don't even try to lie about that one.

Washington is not backing down, because this is part of the end game to destroy Russia, before American begins to collapse. In fact, the vast country of Russia is probably the ONE thing on earth that American caould conquer and save the empire for another 100 years. We ran out of frontiers, but Russia is a new one. If under US corporate and financial control, Washington could live off of expliting Russian resources for maybe 100-200 more years easily.

If you wre Russian, you would know every word I said above is true and verifiable by fact. So who expectes them to back down? The coup and attempted NATO take over almost succeeded, but Kiev's Nazis ruined it for the USA, they started a civil war BEFORE NATO and the USA could get forces  on the ground. Crimea closed it's borders the day before the coup, and used armed locals to close all traffic into Crimea. While Sevastopol Russian military secured the whole Crimea. They voted and left Coup Ukraine. NO coup, and Crimea would not have left.

Russia is now offered a clear choice by Obama, the nobel peace man, either surrender, hand over 8+ million eithnic Russian living in east Ukraine only because of communist USSR border lines. This will not happen. The ghost of the USSR is being slain right now. Oddly, it is the USA who favors USSR borders, not historical borders.

Obama is likely to use his new strength in congress with his allies in the republican party to go all in. Why do I say America is nearing a collapse economically? Because ONLY that fear could drive Washington to threaten world nuclear war, in order to secure the Russian lands for the US empire. We have always needed frontiers to keep growing, therre are none left. Russia is tempting to take, before the real imperial war begins against China.

There is a 1% who live in and off of Washington DC, they leech off of our taxes, theu spy on our every move, they own all media, they design our education systems, they own assets equal to the 99%, they own and operate the 1 trillion dollar a year military industrial complex.

We are playing an End Game here. Washington either prevails over Moscow now, or Washington will never be capable in decades to come of taking down China and creating the one world government centered in Washington, and run by the usual suspects.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:44 | 5772069 fishwharf
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Thoughtful comments as usual Jack.

Thanks.

FW

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:47 | 5772078 czarangelus
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They can't honestly be this insane, can they? The self-proclaimed elites in NYC and Washington might be umitigated evil, but they still like breathing, don't they?

Funny you should bring up the ghost of the USSR, because I've been thinking about it lately with regards to the current situation. The USSR was dismantled, intentionally, from within, in a way that has very few historical precedents. Rather than engaging in a nuclear war to save the last of their dying empire, they deliberately surrendered it in order to preserve Russia. I wonder what the odds are that the US(S)A will capitulate rather than rolling all the dice to get a known apocalyptic outcome?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:04 | 5772164 Jack Burton
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You make a great point! The way the internal USSR took itself apart is a "one off" historical act of great bravery and skill. They acted perhaps too fast, in letting communist borders prevail and leaving all this ethnic tension behind! That's why I say the ghost of the USSR. It was the top elites of the USSR that took apart the empire to save Russia. It was composed of mostly the top state security officials, KGB and the other ultra secret security organs. No one else was so knowledgeable of the USSR's problems and skillfull enough to take apart the empire. In fact men like Putin are just those men who ended communism and rebuilt a Federal Russian State.

I feel it is American security and military officials who most hated the loss of the USSR enemy, and the justification for the vast US military industrail/spy complex. Thus, enter "the war on terror".

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:44 | 5772413 Atomizer
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Enough of this horse shit Jack Burton.. Kidding. You thwack my observance away. Well said. Ping me. Will buy you dinner/drinks on beach front properties [If you don’t feel like leaving the beach], Mrs. Atomizer will whip up a delicious meal. Your choice. I admire your intelligence. Never stop posting common sense on ZH

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:00 | 5772479 tired1
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I can also add that Russians very well understand what's at stake and who is doing this. After suffering Bolshevism and it's more moderate manifestation Communism, Russians were wide open in freindhip to help in retstructuring the country on a western model (Solzhenitsin warned about this and was correct).

The ultimate betrayal and utter destruction of Russia is a wound that hasn't healed, nor should it. For the second time in that century, the foreign locusts descended and cleaned it out.

Payback is gonna be a bitch.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:22 | 5772599 Volkodav
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correct  "evil" KGB made a formation for deliverance from the alien soviet system,

when opening arrived,much deep work was ready and applied to begin restoration within.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 23:32 | 5774385 tired1
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Privet Volk,

I thought the SU collapse was because of internal financial reasons. I dot understand how the political dissolution in Belarus came about - what were the motivations and the pressures that brout it about.

I have read speculations about massive corruption brought about by CIA and others forces but nothing very solid. There's also the issue of USSR gold being stolen as part of Bush's 'war reparation' policy.

Any insights that you could provide would be welcome, English links would be OK, Russian better.

Thanks and keep on.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 22:30 | 5774177 flapdoodle
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Its taken me a lifetime to come to this conclusion, but its all been about creating the Zionist/Khazarian Empire. a.k.a the NWO, since before 1913. If the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery, it sure seems like the Zionists liked it so much that they have adopted it as a blueprint.

The Khazarian empire version 1.0 was the USSR. Communism was just a platform for getting Khazars into extensive positions of power in a large, powerful country, something that was truly unheard of - the closest precedent would be chosenite support of the British crown and them being rewarded with partial integration with the British upper classes typically through marriage and connections with the Rothchilds( (like semi-chosenite David Cameron's family). The top echelon Communists in USSR where almost all khazars.

As an aside, I always found it a bit odd as to how easy Hollywood was in its portrayal of the USSR - in the vast majority of movies I can remember at least, the Soviets came across and bumbling but sincere and the real bad guys were greedy industrialist/fascists with German accents. Now that the chosenites are mostly gone from the ex-USSR, the gloves can come off...

The reason Hollywood went so easy on the USSR is, of course, that the top echelon of the USSR, the Nomenklatura, was almost exclusively made up of chosenites, just like the top echelon of Hollywood.

Speaking of Hollywood, I now see the fall of the USSR like the scene in the movie "Alien" where the creature pops out of John Hurt's chest. The USSR was allowed to collapse because the chosenite Nomenklatura realized that the USA was a much more nutricious host. So the middle level chosenites emigrated to the US or Israel, and the more psychopathic of those that remained stayed to use their positions of power in the old Nomenklatura to plunder the best parts of the USSR State enterprises and become the oligarchs so common in the Ukraine and still present (if now less common) in Russia.

Basically, the USSA is now the principle engine for the Khazian empire version 2.0. The chosenites now have almost all the levers of power in their hands in the US and EU, with Japan as being basically under the thumb of the US as is Germany, with Israel being the central clearinghouse where all the top level chosenites can get together to align strategy, and with the Mossad one of the main actors in advancing the cause.

The Russians have recovered somewhat from seventy years they suffered under Communism, but the Khazars feel that they have so much control now that they might as well go all the way and pick off the pieces they didn't get at the end of version 1.0. 

It goes without saying that we are well into the end game.

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:49 | 5772093 Eahudimac
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Good analysis. I don't think Washington wants to conquer Russia militarily, at least not yet. Economically yes. They would love to see economic instability in Russia cause Putin to be run out of office and, of course, replaced with a NWO puppet. If that doesn't happen, and so far it has not, they lose this game. They may try to ratchet things up in Ukraine in an attempt to draw Putin in. I just don't think this is going to happen though. I think it is over for the NWO fascists in Washington and Tel Aviv. The USA will not get the cooperatiuon they need from the EU to take on Putin. If Washington thinks it can take on Russia in Ukraine on their own, they are truly insane and it would be the nail in the coffin for these lunatics. Agree this is the end game. I would say Moscow has this in the bag. 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:56 | 5772125 researchfix
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Absolutely true. I don´t understand the dumb Europeans, they will go down half an hour earlier and for sure.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:07 | 5772183 T-NUTZ
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Africa is the giant hole in your "Russia is the final frontier" theory.  and no nukes to boot!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:15 | 5772248 rejected
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Your right Jack, the problem is getting the other 99.999999999999999999999 % of the war hooping Americans to understand we're all gonna die.

They're all too busy with their new Samsung spy teevee.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:30 | 5772337 will ling
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and all the while the sheeple remain oblivious.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:36 | 5772369 Anunnaki
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Jack,

 

I am always glad to see your comments on Ukraine. Do you maintain a blog somewhere? You are a less pompous and less saccharine version of The Saker.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:34 | 5772016 FreeShitter
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Unless the US and Russia has some kind of new tech that disables nukes in flight, then those of us above ground are already dead. These fuckers are going depopulate the earth one way or another. How it plays out and when is the million dollar question.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:45 | 5772055 Lumberjack
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I am not sure how they are protected against EMP's, but it has been shown that orbital/sub orbital detonations could render ICBM and /or payload rather useless. 

 

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-opposes-new-draft-treaty-fro...

 

I would expect there are quite a few up there already.

 

Edit:

Even so, so much for the power grid if SHTF. The grid is already showing signs of problems EVEN after all that money spent to upgrade it. Global warming/s.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:34 | 5772021 surfvin
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Nations and the people who bankroll them never die in a war,but common folk die in droves!!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:35 | 5772026 yogibear
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"Washington is not backing down, because this is part of the end game to destroy Russia, before American begins to collapse. "

 

Yep. Quite a diversion. Russia is not playing the bankster game so they have to get them.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:36 | 5772028 RisingSun
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Seems like Russian terrorist scum wont stop with just Donbass, now they started targeting Baltic states also with their "republics", they got some support here from the Soviet leftovers who always feel opressed, yet cant even speak the langauge 50+ years after they occupied Baltic states. Watch this space, that little piece of shit Putler will probably use "opressed" Russians argument to send in green men also soon, to "test" Nato.

http://www.eesti.ca/pro-moscow-groups-launch-websites-for-peoples-republ...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:39 | 5772044 The_Prisoner
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Ukrainian "diaspora" in Canada, aren't you?

Funny word, diaspora. Doesn't it mean undesirables going somewhere else after being kicked out of where they weren't wanted in the first place?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:43 | 5772053 RisingSun
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Latvian in Latvia. 

Just so you know, I dont think there is a larger diaspora in Europe than Russians....

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:47 | 5772084 The_Prisoner
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Even if there isn't. There will be soon.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:48 | 5772089 Jack Burton
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The end of the USSR left large ethinc Russian populations in many of the former republics of the USSR. The Baltics in particular have significant ethnic Russian populations. This is a tense situation for both sides. Baltics have tiny populations and not big birth rates, plus a lot of inter Europe migration by their educated youth. It is not a good situation for Baltics. But they are now EU nations and governened by muilti cultural mulit ethnic laws. Take the UK for example, or my former home land Sweden, bothhave the hundreds of thousands or pennyless Africans, Asians, and Middle Easterners.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:01 | 5772111 RisingSun
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Jack, I agree about Sweden, my heart bleeds when I see how that country looks like today, Scandinavian countries were once modern day Utopia and very safe, not so much these days. Out of interest, where are you living now?

As for Russians, many of them successfully integrated into our societies and speak our languages, however still too many of them dream about the "good" soviet times and wish to be part of Russia again, not only the old people by the way.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:05 | 5772171 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Maybe the ethnic Russian Latvians would be more willing to integrate with their fellow citizens if Latvia wasn't an anti-Russian apartheid regime.

Oh, wait, did I say fellow citizens? Sorry about that. I meant fellow Latvians. People born in Latvia are not considered Latvian citizens if they are ethnically Russian.

But hey, even Latvian non-citizens can still enjoy the annual parades in Riga of old geezer nazis in their SS uniforms. Those parades must be quite popular with the tourists.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:38 | 5772331 RisingSun
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They can become citizens, if they learn the language. What you are talking about are non-citizens, many of them proudly hold their Russian/non-resident passports as that allows them to visit their homeland Russia(which they belong to emotionally) without Visa for example and are not even interested in becoming citizens. Try becoming a citizen in Russia without knowing Russian language and their history, let me know how that works out.

If you are referring to Latvian Waffen SS, they were not Nazis, read up on Nuremberg trials. They were fighting against Soviets, however that probably is not what RT and RIA reports on 16th March...

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:05 | 5772500 tired1
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Thanks for your input. I agree, if you're in any given country by choice, get with the program.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:17 | 5772570 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You missed the point. I was referring to people actually born in Latvia.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:51 | 5772712 RisingSun
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If his/her parents(one or both) are citizens, then it does not matter what ethnicity they are, they will be citizens.  However if BOTH parents are not citizens, then their children will not be citizens, as I said many of them do not even want to be citizens. I dont see what is the problem? Are you happy that your country is giving away citizenship to people left and right, even those who are there illegally/or cant speak any english?

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:07 | 5773539 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Good effort at sidetracking. Divertion of focus away from your apartheid system is a good tactic in avoiding self indiction. It can be clear from comments poured by you and viedoklis_lv that even if ethnic Russian Latvians are third generation born in Latvia and jump through all hoops to gain citizenship, they will still be treated a second class citizen.

Funny about certain Latvian citizens. Strained logics they bring to bear attempting to rationalize their Latvian citizenism and justify themselves in their very peculiar course of actions. Because it is their way of being part of the winning gang.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:17 | 5773042 Calmyourself
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"pennyless Africans, Asians, and Middle Easterners"  They have little energy for work but lots of energy for raping Swedes...  Swedish politicians HATE their own people, good thing those people are disarmed..

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:55 | 5772104 Volkodav
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Your avatar kills credibility even before starts your inane rambles.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:53 | 5772109 Jack Burton
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The chances of what you say are near zero. To be honest, you are protected as NATO members and under a nuclear armed West. To be honest, I read many Baltic folks who echo your thoughts. I wonder is it wishful thinking, or hot headed hatred for the years under Russian imperial rule. Whatever. Your nation is free and independent, it is protected by NATO. I suggest stop crying and rebuild you economy, then so many of your youth would not move out to Europe for work. The Soviet leftovers are now mostly born and raised in your nation. Except for the old folks. Do you suggest that by ethnic birth they have no right to live? If so, then you are breaking EU law.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:03 | 5772980 petkovplamen
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to the obvious risingsun troll:

yeah a false flag even to trigger WWIII. Too bad you will be the first in the first 10 minutes to become a smoldering pile of radioactive charcoal. Keep it up and it WILL happen.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:26 | 5773596 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Even in the best of times without a war, NATO views Latvia as nothing more than a boat dock, a parking lot for equipment, and a playground for tank exercises.

Somehow they seem to have this innate preference for occupation. Big Poppa Commie pulled out since decades ago and this led to ill easeness. NATO recognized this adhesion to occupation and provided relief in filling this lack.

Now with adequation of comfort, they can give better focus on the important quest for potato.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:45 | 5772042 Son of Captain Nemo
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Last chance Western Europe!...

Come clean with your demands for getting the U.S. embassies and military out of your Countries NOW or be used as "target practice"by the Russians for the Zionist purple helmets in Washington, Tel Aviv and London!

It's real easy!...  Just follow Greece's example if you want to stay alive, cause this motherfucker is off his rocker depressed and suicidal!

And so is the Country that he represents that doesn't care what he does!!!

Here's a terrifying example that hasn't made the front page yet!  Je suis Americain!!!

Wouldn't be at all surprised if the U.S. Army posts bail for this fuck if he agrees to join and ship him off to Syria and Ukraine to kill more innocent people?!!!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 16:45 | 5772921 SmittyinLA
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maybe it was self defense 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 19:14 | 5773018 Son of Captain Nemo
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maybe it was self defense

maybe it was self defense?...  As in putting up their hands and yelling "no please don't shoot me" was threatening?...

Kind of like what you see on a daily basis in the occupied territories of Gaza or maybe in a ghetto in Nazi Germany circa 1940???...

Anyway Smitty,

He'll probably make a fantastic soldier in the United States Army or Marine Corps.  Just like the IDF and Hollywood elites have trained our men and women to be both in and out of uniform for more than 50 years!...

Can't wait to see how well it all turns out in Russia. 

What a test for the U.S. military as they will be the only ones fighting in it after Israel of course starts it -like they always do!

 Oy Gevalt!!!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:25 | 5773064 Calmyourself
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PARKING dispute BUllshit cover story.. This guy is a far leftist Atheist POS AGAIN killing people because they do not drink his Koolaid.. Most likely another killer targeted by the SPLC, the biggest racists in America..

 "a Facebook page in Hicks' name that described him as a supporter of “Atheists for Equality” and blasted “radical Christians and radical Muslims"

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:42 | 5772060 Turdy Brown
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Jack, I like all your comments.  You are a very smart person.  Thank you for contributing to ZH!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:11 | 5772208 Deathrips
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He truly is giving Kurt Russel a run for his money.

 

"Have you paid your dues jack? The checks in the mail!"

Cheers Jack!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl-pr5iqKb4

 

RIPS

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:14 | 5772242 dsty
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I don't know

getting a compliment from someone named Turdy Brown

just say'n

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:43 | 5772062 rejected
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WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Episode XX

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn91L9goKfQ

 

More dead hero's ..............sigh.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:22 | 5772303 rejected
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Wow,,, I thought everybody liked WAR.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:43 | 5772063 Jack Burton
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Cease Fire is under discussion with Kiev's approval. WHY? Just a few eeks ago they declared the cease fire dead, and announced a general offensive across the entire front aimed to throw the rebels out of Donbass. Now the rebels have beated that offensive badly, and now put 5-9 thousand Ukie Troops in an encirclement with their destruction on a matter of a week or so. Kiev NOW says yes, lets have a cease fire. Of course. Stop fighting for now, so Kiev can receive the US arms and supplies, then when their army is rebuilt by May, attack again.

That sounds like something the rebels will go for! They got burned by just that tactic last time!

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:50 | 5772096 The_Prisoner
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Debaltsevo cauldron.

Porky is talking big. But if he doesn't a ceasefire and the NAF destroys everyone within the cauldron, his draft will fail. And the peopleight even ask for his "proverbial" head.

Mariupol will fall soon after.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:13 | 5772547 tired1
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I dont think Porky cares about the troops. If however there was a large contingent of foreigners there it could be intrnatioally imbarrasig.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:36 | 5772375 TNTARG
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17:16 GMT:

The European Union has lost 20 billion euro as a result of the sanctions, Russia's permanent representative to the EU, Vladimir Chizhov, has said. The US, meanwhile, has in fact managed to increase trade with Russia, he said.

(rt)

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:24 | 5773072 tarabel
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Russia's own calculation is that they've lost 150 B in return.

Hmmm... 20 T economy minus 20 B. 2 T economy minus 150 B.

Looks like a Charlie Sheen moment to me.

 

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 17:52 | 5773190 The_Prisoner
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Sure he doesn't care about the troops.

Problem for him is, the populace is starting to resist his draft. So if they take another walloping the mob will go "hell, no! We won't go!" On his ass.

So he's seeking the ceasefire for his own reasons. His Washington masters, on the other hand, want him to go full steam ahead.

So this is a bit of a catch 22 for old porky.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 15:57 | 5772738 bid the soldier...
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Not to worry, Jack.

Russia today is very aware of the intentions and tactics of the West.  At the beginning of the conflict, they thought that by being nonassertive and reflective concerning the events in the Maidan and Crimean Referendum they would make points with the EU.  Today we learned that the US twists arms to get their way.   

They are also familiar with Poroshenko playing 'good cop' to Yatsenyuk's 'bad cop'.  And Poroshenko's duplicitous negotiations about a truce and/or ceasefire.

Since the fighting broke out in April, it has been Russia aim to avoid an invasion of Donbas/Ukraine; and it has been the goal of the West to provoke the Russians into that invasion. 

Since then there have been sanctions;  MH17 was shot down; and the USS Donald Cook/Khibiny affair have changed the equation.  Now Russia is telegraphing its willingness to invade Donbas.

Whether NATO is ready to move to conventional war with Russia in Eastern Europe is unknown.  Many European nations who are weary of sanctions may resent protecting a non-NATO member.

And finally there is the mystery of Khibiny. 

None of us know whether that device can disable and 'blind' all of the non-Russian and their allies' satellites orbiting the earth.

We may find out if we are denied the ability to visit ZH.

Boo Hoo,

 

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 13:47 | 5772081 Gold_Spot
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There is one point I made in the past. US has never won a war. The only wars USSA won were those in the movies. The second point is:

We all know that the US has already deployed supporting staff to help the Ukies with war strategies, such as high ranked military personel, yet they're getting beaten and pushed back or surrounded, etc. Great strategists!

Which now it quite shows who will be the winner in a direct confrontation.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 14:13 | 5772236 SirBarksAlot
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But if the US wins the war, that's the end of weapon sales...and we can't have that.

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