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Patriot Act 2: Obama Executive Order Will Promote Sharing Of Confidential Information With Corporations

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Here come the "information sharing and analysis organizations", or ISAOs.

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In the aftermath of the Snowden whistleblowing scandal which has now all but been forgotten, there was a brief period when it seemed the growth of the US spying apparatus would be halted if not put into reverse. Those days are long forgotten and later today Obama is expected to to sign an executive order "that aims to make it easier for the government to share classified cyberthreat information with companies."

The spin, as proposed by the WSJ, is that "this will be effort designed to spur collaboration and deter hackers, the White House said." In reality what Obama's latest executive order will do, is expand the universe of entities that has access to the trove of private confidential data contained in the vast government spying apparatus, which as has been made all too clear now focuses as much on US citizens as it does on legitimate foreign threats, and further eviscerate the concept of individual privacy in the US.

From Reuters:

The order sets the stage for new private-sector led "information sharing and analysis organizations" (ISAOs) - hubs where companies share cyber threat data with each other and with the Department of Homeland Security.

 

It is one step in a long effort to make companies as well as privacy and consumer advocates more comfortable with proposed legislation that would offer participating companies liability protection, the White House said.

 

"We believe that by clearly defining what makes for a good ISAO, that will make tying liability protection to sectoral organizations easier and more accessible to the public and to privacy and civil liberties advocates," said Michael Daniel, Obama's cyber coordinator, in a conference call with reporters.

Obama will sign the order shortly during a conference on cybersecurity at Stanford University in the heart of Silicon Valley.

As the WSJ adds, "much could depend on whether intelligence agencies such as the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency participate in any arrangement that allows classified information to be shared with companies." Sadly, if history is any guide, the NSA, whose "safekeeping" of private US citizen data has a woeful track record, will be quite instrumental in spearheading an effort which many have dubbed the Patriot Act for the digital age.

Ironically, this latest move comes as as big Silicon Valley companies "prove hesitant to fully support more mandated cybersecurity information sharing without reforms to government surveillance practices exposed by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden."

Cybersecurity industry veterans said Obama's anticipated order would be only a modest step in one of the president's major priorities - the defense of companies from attacks like those on Sony and Anthem Inc.

 

Obama has proposed legislation to require more information-sharing and limit any legal liability for companies that share too much. Only Congress can provide the liability protection through legislation.

The bottom line is that all Obama is really doing is not only promoting data sharing between the government and key private corporations - and one wonders just how reciprocal such sharing will be - but effectively indeminifes them from obtaining and processing such data. "Businesses are unlikely to share a lot of timely and "actionable" cyber intelligence without liability relief, said Mike Brown, a vice president with the RSA security division of EMC Corp."

"Until that gets resolved, probably through legislation, I'm not sure how effective continued information-sharing will be," said Brown, a retired Naval officer and former cyber official with the Department of Homeland Security.

 

Senator Tom Carper, the top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security committee, introduced a bill this week that incorporates much of Obama's plan. But Republicans control Congress, and they have yet to sign on to the idea.

 

"This is an urgent matter and we are working with anyone that we can up on the Hill to make that happen," said Daniel, who had not yet reviewed Carper's bill.

 

Getting a bill through Congress will require at least the support of big Silicon Valley companies such as Google Inc and Facebook Inc.

Curiously one company which has no qualms about collaborating with the US government also happens to be the largest company in the world currently by market cap:

Obama also will meet privately with some executives on Friday. They are expected to press again for surveillance reform and support for strong encryption, which some in the administration have faulted recently on the grounds that it enables criminals and terrorists to hide their activity.

 

Google, Facebook and Yahoo are not sending their chief executives to the Stanford conference because of the rift, according to an executive at a major technology company. Apple Inc Chief Executive Tim Cook will give an address.

One wonder if perhaps recent leaked discoveries such as that "NSA Mocks Apple's "Zombie" Customers; Asks "Your Target Is Using A BlackBerry? Now What?" has anything do with with AAPL's willingness to engage in full-blown symbiosis with the US government. One also wonder what if anything would happen to AAPL's record sales if it were to just say no to Obama.

Many questions, but one thing is clear: America's relapse into the second coming of the Patriot Act is coming fast and furious, which as some also say is par for the course for the president who, just like Bush, has now been given a blank check to send US troops not only to Iraq but any place where "ISIS operates", if only at the discretion of the Pentagon.

So to summarize:

  • the good news: no more North Korean "hacks" of Sony straight to YouTube comedy flops.
  • the bad news: the trade off will be even less personal privacy for those who feel the urge to be constantly on their smartphones and otherwise connected to the grid.

Still confused? The NSA laid it out best:

 

 

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Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:31 | 5781017 Kolchak
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surely you jest and no that food hasen't been tested, although you could say they have been testing on the little people for quite some time.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:38 | 5781056 El Vaquero
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1)  Big ag is big enough to not follow regulations and just pay the fines.

2) "Organic" is USDA certified, so if you trust the USDA, you should consider that "organic" has been tested.  It is really just a set of standards that may or may not mean much, but the label of "USDA Certified Organic" is great for marketing.

 

Food that I've grown is not tested, but a basic understanding of germ theory and what can be toxic should make it easy for me to grow food that is more trustworthy than anything from the industrial agriculture system simply because I won't cut a corner when it comes to sanitation to save a buck. 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:12 | 5781254 cornfritter
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Yes, buit since you have not completeted the appropriate coursework, including CEUs, and are likely not growing the new Cert-Safe Monsanto seed, you are a danger not only to yourself but to mommies and babies on soccer fields all over this great nation. Cease and desist immediately, or risk fines and imprisonment.  We can see your commie heirloom tomatoes from the satellite and we are not happy.

WHile youre at it, quit using your f*cking wood burning stove.

Also, STFU, that is not a boot on your neck.

Regards,

Unkle SUgar

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:24 | 5781328 El Vaquero
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I know you're being satirical there, but it is funny that you bring up the paperwork.  A friend of mine has several hundred chickens and he sells eggs.  He went through enough paperwork to not get arrested for doing this, but when it came to getting USDA organic certification, he opted not to.  His chickens are actually free range, as in he has to go collect the ones that got over the fence on a regular basis, but he told me that not only his property would need to be inspected, but so would the neighbors' properties to get the certification.  He's local, so people know him and know that he takes care of his animals, so he said "screw that bureaucratic BS."

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:35 | 5781393 NotApplicable
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That, of course, is the benefit of country living and knowing where your food comes from. I get my eggs from happy chickens not two miles from my house.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 17:19 | 5782536 MEAN BUSINESS
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I can see there'll come a day when even your home garden is against the law - 1983, Bob Dylan/Infidels/Union Sundown

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:23 | 5781320 TBT or not TBT
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The USDA wants you to eat lots and lots of grass seeds, grass seed oils, and sugars extracted from grass seeds.

The packaged food industry and Big Ag and the USDA are in strong agreement as to what kind of human nutrition research should be funded and awarded at our universities.   Department heads at Ag universities and successful researchers know how to stay on the gravy train.

People who make a living treating atherosclerosis and diabetes have also been advocating eating lots of "healthy whole grains" and "vegetable oils" instead of vilified saturated fats and meat.   They also promote a low fat diet.  

Their business has boomed over the last few decades along with the diabesity epidemic their advice brought about. But plenty of other specialists have done well too, thanks to all of the chronic diseases that come along with diabesity.   Which is caused by regular hammering of the body with rushes of sugar and insulin and inflammation causing chemicals inherent to grass seeds and seed oils.   

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:34 | 5781386 El Vaquero
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I suspect that a lot of the problems with diabetes (thank you Wilford Brimley, I want to spell it 'diabeetus' now.) and obesity have a lot to do with a sedentary lifestyle, heavy processing of food rich in sugars (HFCS counts as a sugar,) and the fact that many of the unprocessed foods have seen their nutrition levels decline. 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:12 | 5781892 new game
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go back to the drawing board, try again...

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 17:32 | 5782608 Two Theives and...
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"I hope so.  At tleast that food has been tested unlike anything with a stupid "organic" label on it...whatever the fuck that means."

Wow. This might be the dumbest post I've ever seen on ZH...and that's really saying something!

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 12:53 | 5784358 Bumbu Sauce
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Fact:  GMO food has been tested since the first commercial crop was transformed.

Fact:  "Organic" whatever the fuck that means, isn't tested.

Now shut down all your modern conveniences and freeze to death on the way to starving luddite.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:25 | 5780967 Bumbu Sauce
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Just wait till Facebook completely rolls out its automatic face-tagging software.  You will have Zero privacy, unless you want to murder your unborn child...because psychopaths in robes decided that you have that right specifically.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:27 | 5780986 HamRove
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I dropped Facebook like a dead french hooker. 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:28 | 5780994 Bumbu Sauce
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Did you try giving her an aspirin?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:30 | 5781362 TBT or not TBT
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Not a lot of French bookers in France these days.   French women go for the mistress and sugar daddy type of arrangement preferably, or high end call girl type activities, as they are legal and fluent and in their home country.   The hooker business is dominated by kidnapped or sold girls from poorer countries.   This basically the only realistic part about the movie "Taken"    They really do train them that way in France.   Via heroin addiction and rape.  

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:43 | 5781437 NotApplicable
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You may have dropped them, but they for damn sure didn't drop you. Also, if anyone else you associate with posts any info about you, FB will make their own account about you to further collect your information. Which they will then attempt to link any other accounts that exist.

Each and every single data point is a potential link.

Of course, this linking can occur anywhere, from any dataset, like say... your posts on ZH. If I have access to every post you've ever made (thank Google), I can very likely contstruct a highly detailed portfolio of you, which I can then use to link to other datasets.

Simply put, Big Brother is in the house.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:53 | 5782133 HamRove
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Big Brother can eat my ass with blue cheese dressing. Everything I post about them is true. Maybe, instead of watching what the hell we're doing, they should confront the fact that they are eavesdropping little losers who need something better to do with their lives.

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:13 | 5781887 freedogger
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I think it doesn't matter. All someone has to do is post a group photo with you in it and tag it with your name. Then any prior and subsequent photos with you are ID-able.

 

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:28 | 5780971 Philo Beddoe
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Let's face it most people do not write or speak anything of importance/value/dissent. These tools that are in place or are going to be in place are to fuck with the people who do. 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:41 | 5781072 El Vaquero
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Every single one of these tools is more resources that the government and industry is hoovering up.  They will eventually be faced with a choice of dropping most of them or collapse.  They'll pick collapse because they don't want to give up their power.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:45 | 5781445 NotApplicable
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Well, they're going to use them to fuck with everyone, regardless of content. They will end up knowing more about people than the people do themselves.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:24 | 5781968 freedogger
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It'll get to the point where these systems will be able to do what God does and pass judgement on anyone and everyone.

Maybe you are right and they won't be used for anything bad. That seems pretty naive to me though, especially considering what humanity has done in the past with new technology and means to control populations.

With a God system a lot of things become possible:

- a limited cure for a bad disease, who gets it?

- running out of gov funds, which past "infringer's" should we penalize

- big asteroid/cme/plague coming, who gets in the shelter

- new life extension treatment, who gets it

- who gets free advanced education/healthcare, the right to birth new kids or just early euthanasia

- whose votes does diebold really count

Oh and you'll still be free and allowed to watch football and dancing with the stars. Yippee!

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:29 | 5780975 HamRove
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FASCIST FUGGIN A-hole must be stopped. Everyday there is a new dilemma from this madman. He wants the Internet, he wants war, he wants uncontrolled immigration, THIS THAT AND THE OTHER THING......off the fuggin rails!!

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:26 | 5780979 More_sellers_th...
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Just tell me what Im allowed to eat, where to check in to die and who Im allowed to fuck.  Yay Freedom

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:26 | 5780984 buzzsaw99
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they've already got a listening device up merkel's ass what more could they ask for?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:29 | 5781002 kowalli
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you must work for food

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:43 | 5781089 El Vaquero
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Or just sign up for EBT.  No working is required for food.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:27 | 5780988 Dr. Engali
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We were at number 49 when it came to freedom of the press, this should finish the job.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:28 | 5780993 steelrules
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When in Gods name will Americans draw a line in the sand, this far and no further.

 

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government."

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:34 | 5781025 Dr. Engali
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"When in Gods name will Americans draw a line in the sand, this far and no further."

 

Fucking never. As long as they have their piss water "king of beers", Monosodium glutamate filled cheetos , a barcalounger, and a teevee, fat ass Merikuns don't give a fuck what .gov does. I give up on these hopeless assholes.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:37 | 5781045 steelrules
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Agreed! But as I see it the empty store shelves are not far off.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:28 | 5780996 GreatUncle
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Look if you have a TCP/IP connection that is awlays on because the spooks need eyes and ears then it is your own fault.

Pull the plug on that type of connection to render it useless.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:29 | 5780997 PTR
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Reciprocal sharing, eh?

"So. I see you bought XYZ from XYZ website?"
Extrapolate.

That kinda thing.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:31 | 5781015 kowalli
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they are already doing it. Swat teams in every house with zerohedge site in the browser history

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:35 | 5781034 Arnold
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Doughnuts or scones? Thinking..............................

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:30 | 5781006 Kilgore Trout
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fascism

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:17 | 5781261 Money Boo Boo
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meets apathism

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:32 | 5781021 roadhazard
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My privacy was compromised long ago I am sure.

Attention all cyber snoopers. You know who I am and you know where I live. I am going to be right here most of the time so if you have a problem bring backup. I don't play well with others.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:37 | 5781047 Arnold
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Pay your water bill.

--(former) City of Detroit

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:39 | 5781412 Emergency Ward
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Pay your overdue library book fine.

-- City of Detroit Public Library

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:35 | 5781035 NuYawkFrankie
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The Beast has turned its gaze on you.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:35 | 5781036 dexter_morgan
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Might be time to run to the hills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9OAfOwTZaU

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:42 | 5781082 Armed Resistance
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Great tune!

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:37 | 5781042 smacker
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Does anybody know Obola's neck size?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:38 | 5781057 dexter_morgan
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same as IQ - 15

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:16 | 5781276 lakecity55
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Puppet, XL.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:35 | 5781398 Emergency Ward
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#2 Pencil.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:37 | 5781051 Downtoolong
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Social Networking = Social Engineering.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:43 | 5781084 hotrod
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Obama,, 

WHY dont you share your college history etc. with us???????

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:46 | 5781086 noben
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So, finally Big Biz comes out of the closet, and tells us that they ran the country all along for the past 100 years? I never would've guessed.

Except that now Big Biz has expanded to Big Interests. Domestic and Foreign. NWO, Neocon style.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:44 | 5781092 hotrod
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When do the Executive orders stop?????????

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:14 | 5781268 lakecity55
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After Free Speech is dead along with 100 million AMericans.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:44 | 5781093 Consuelo
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No one (collectively) will care, until the wheels come off.   The apparatus necessary to corral such an awakening however, has itself already been addressed and actioned.   It truly will be an amazing 'moment' - or a few days at the most, when the wheels do come off, to see the bewildered look on people's faces and the sheer panic and fear that ensue, when 'Macht Schnell!!' echoes through the neighborhoods and city streets.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:44 | 5781101 22winmag
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Speaking of Snowden... let's not forget that Tea Party ROCKSTAR Marco Rubio has called him a "traitor". 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:46 | 5781118 hotrod
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And RUBIO and company have done NOTHING to stop the pillaging of freedom in the US from Obama.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:57 | 5781187 lakecity55
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Rubio and Barry play for the same team!

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:46 | 5781123 Bumbu Sauce
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Rubio is GOPE  pure establishment stooge.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:54 | 5781165 dexter_morgan
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Rubio is tea party? Seems more RINO to me.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:57 | 5781184 lakecity55
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Damn, Rubio was an obvious shill.

Cruz? Married to a Goldman Official?

Hahahhaahha!

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:03 | 5781203 noben
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Cruz, Rubio.

The Controlled Opposition. Living in style. "50 Shades of Sluts"!

* With apologies to garden variety sluts.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:09 | 5781248 falconflight
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This TP sympathizer has no illusions about Amnesty Marco.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:45 | 5781106 falconflight
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War is the answer, but who wants to pay the price?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:53 | 5781162 dexter_morgan
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What Jew has saved more souls than any other Jew - Jesus!

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:12 | 5781251 falconflight
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Fuck off 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:20 | 5781307 dexter_morgan
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What, I thought you were all in to the wonder Jew stuff, telling us about how 2 Jews saved more lives than anyone ever - but they couldn't save souls could they.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:24 | 5781332 falconflight
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Hate repeating myself, Fuck Off.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:12 | 5781257 lakecity55
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That negates the bad karma of the Satanic Zionitsas.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:45 | 5781110 TalkToLind
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Turning your smartphone off or setting it to airplane mode will soon be illegal.  Any prole who disconnects from the matrix will be put on the terrorst watch list.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:54 | 5781169 lakecity55
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"You're Samsung TV was off last night, mr Smith.

"there was a power failure.

"There are no power failures in the USSA, mr smith. Our Soviet does not allow this. That is a terrorists statement.

 

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:46 | 5781116 dexter_morgan
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Secret bureaucracy, it's just a lie
The devil's henchmen, in suit and tie
A sacred brotherhood; an ancient rite
Politicians and the double lives they hide

Violate your rights, no more equality
Surrender freedom, your Social Security
We, the people face unconstitutional lies
In greed we trust, in revolution we die

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves
The land of liberty needs a regime change
Until you no longer know right from wrong
The constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on

[Chorus]

Screams from the future, warn of calamity
The coming plagues of the new disease
The illuminati, one world currency
One world religion, one World everything

[Chorus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9KISy4FnUU

 

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:54 | 5781155 noben
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I'm beginning to like this dexter guy. The other Dexter too.

Thank you for expanding my musical horizon.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:46 | 5781119 czarangelus
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Thank God for peak oil.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 23:16 | 5781127 tahoebumsmith
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As predicted over 200 years ago by Thomas Jefferson.. Next step is our children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. Now living in their parents basement it's almost time to move on as Mom And Dad's reverse mortgage is coming due and they have to leave

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies,”  Jefferson wrote. ” If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around(these banks) will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:47 | 5781130 Seasmoke
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What's ZeroHedge ????

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:06 | 5781230 noben
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For 500?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:15 | 5781270 Money Boo Boo
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Alex

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:47 | 5781131 Vinividivinci
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Since when is anything about our every move PRIVATE !

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:51 | 5781139 freedom123
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Leaked video from Minsk.

 

President of Ukraine about Putin: "He is playing dirty, unfair game"

President of Belarus: "I know, I know. Everyone there understood that."

http://youtu.be/cssHq_bHSVo

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:58 | 5781189 czarangelus
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Fuck off, Hasbara. Are you really too stupid to be aware that you're doing more harm than good - to your own cause(!) - with your nonsense?

 

Are you/your masters really too dumb to realize that hamfisted and obvious astroturfing is worse than no astroturfing at all?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:17 | 5781285 falconflight
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You don't even rate cleaing the Zionist's toilets, but just remember you'll get no table scraps from the Human's table if you don't.  ;)

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:19 | 5781298 czarangelus
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Jesus, what community college did they recruit you from? You realize there's no need to capitalize the "h" in human, it should be humans' because it's a possessive plural, and the same goes for Zionists' as well.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:23 | 5781325 falconflight
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I'm sure that I possess more "letters" than your entire family.  

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:17 | 5781923 MrSteve
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You can only win this fight IF YOUR DOG IS BETTER THAN HIS!  house rules, no ringers..

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:33 | 5782013 usednabused
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Ha Falcon, One thing I'm sure of is that you're much stupider than his entire family. And I'd bet you stink more too. Don't forget to lower that big hook nose when its raining or you might drown...

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:06 | 5781228 smacker
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" President of Ukraine about Putin: "He is playing dirty, unfair game" "

Is that your hero Poroshenko saying that?

Well, here's some Breaking News for you: Poroshenko was personally responsible for shooting down MH-17, killing 298 innocent people. Right now, Poroshenko should be in The Hague charged with war crimes including indiscriminate shelling of civilian homes in Donetsk.

What do you have to say about all that, Sir?????????????

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:37 | 5781644 freedom123
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That you are full of shit and you know that.

All evidence lead to putin regime terrorists did that crime.

http://youtu.be/104STFtaKRo

Of course except putin regime propaganda lies materials.

http://youtu.be/AWvlH6Gn_FM

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:40 | 5781701 smacker
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"All evidence lead to putin regime terrorists did that crime."

Ooohh dear. You've done it now. Here is some actual evidence:

1. Hi-res photographic evidence of damage to MH-17 fuselage taken by German expert. Note all those round 30mm canon bullet holes:

http://pistolero.aracari.swift-mail.com/Misc/MH17-cockpit-damage.pdf  AND  http://pistolero.aracari.swift-mail.com/Misc/MH17-cockpit-damage-II.pdf

2. Here's a picture of Ukraine SU25 pilot who shot down MH-17:

http://pistolero.aracari.swift-mail.com/Misc/FortRuss-ukraine-pilot-who-...

 

Sorry Mr Latvian troll, you lose :-)

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:45 | 5781742 Jack Burton
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Smacker, We have present all the proof in the world to this guy. It is wasted effort. Alternate universe propaganda troll that he seems to be.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:54 | 5781796 freedom123
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Ha ha ha posting complete horseshit pdf files and declaring him self as winner :D you made my day! Thanks!

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:40 | 5782048 smacker
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My bad. I thought some real independent evidence would impress you.

Obviously it doesn't. That's too bad.

{shrug}

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:08 | 5781236 rejected
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From what I can determine, it appears President Putin has sold the Eastern Republics down the river with the Minsk Treaty.

PCR has a good take on it IMO.

So you should be happy!

 

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/12/minsk-peace-deal-farce-sellou...

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:33 | 5781377 libertysghost
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Now you're just spamming...find an article on the Ukraine and post your quotes from corrupt politicians there.  Because all politicians are liars...and this scripted "leak" is designed for the completely naive.  

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:09 | 5781142 lakecity55
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Wow, these new cyber orders will allow .gov to classify you and then kill you when they want to.

We have finally become the wet dream of NAZI Germany.

I sleep with a gun 'cause the USG wants its people Dead.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:29 | 5781163 permarig
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"urgent matter" = more crackdowns necessary as the false flags in the pipeline won't really fly with the current state of free speech and vigilant morales

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 12:55 | 5781174 VWAndy
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When these clowns loose control of the keys and they will. It is going to get very interesting. This is so going to blow up in thier faces. 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:05 | 5781222 rejected
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Said the same thing back in 1993,,, Waco,,,

Like the Energizer Bunny,,,, still going!

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:31 | 5781364 VWAndy
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The information is put into two basic piles. Information that may give them more power and control and info that they must hide. The stuff they need to hide is going to be the problem.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:06 | 5781204 RealityCheque
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"if you like your freedom....."

Seriously, my American friends: lots of you have guns, will you please organize a trip to Washington to "take care" of the junta that masquerades as your government.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:16 | 5781280 dexter_morgan
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Actually, that is probably exactly why they are doing this. If anyone was to organize they'd have to do it other than electronically. But then you get the plants from SLPC and gubmit agencies to rat you out. People with power try really, really hard to keep it.............

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:03 | 5781209 rejected
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New and Improved Fascism 2.0

Je suis fascists.

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:12 | 5781255 Bill of Rights
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Stop spending and collapse this bitch...

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:15 | 5781271 SnatchnGrab
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Congress is either stupid or all - in. Who is the head of the NSA? Who is the head of CyberCommand?

SAME PERSON.

WHO IS MILITARY.

WHO THEREFORE, ANSWERS TO 1600 PENNSYLVANIA.

Said individual was confirmed to this "dual-hat" position last year.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:17 | 5781289 dexter_morgan
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We have a fractional reserve banking system. What would happen if everyone pulled all their money out of all FRB member banks at the same time?

Just curious.

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 16:54 | 5782396 Bemused Observer
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I don't know about anyone else...but I'd probably have an orgasm or something for starters.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:20 | 5781303 p00k1e
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Looking left, no revolution.

Looking right, still, noth'in.

Who won WW2?

 

National Anthem of USSR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:21 | 5781309 Bumbu Sauce
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But will they know I checked out Hillary Clinton's biography from the public library?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:33 | 5781375 infocyde
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Shut down the honeypot?  Why?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:45 | 5781439 Jack Burton
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Slowly the nation's economy is turning into a state in which the only path to security and prosperity for average people is to become an agent or employee of the state. The elite's can not control us, the population, without it's army of state security workers. At the base level comes the cops and courts. At county level the sheriffs and deputies, inspectors and agents. At state level comes the HighWay Patrols, the State Drug agents, Inspectors of all kinds, and even a national guard army force. The the federal government, with the top 1 trillion a year military and spy network. Countless agents of all kinds, drugs, immigration, guns, meat, etc. etc.

Everyone of these works in a no layoff ever contract. Being fired is nearly impossible, the useless are promoted, and the dangerous and unstable given job in the basement with a desk and waste basket and a 90K a year paycheck. Retirement for most is from 45-62. Vacations, sick days, family leave. Oh, FUCK IT. Rather than list their benefits, let be describe them. Everything you in the private sector do not get.

They number in the millions upon millions. And they would rather crush you on orders, and keep that secure life, than ever stand up for freedom and liberty. Little KGB wanna be agents in every aspect of out lives.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:46 | 5781447 libertysghost
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All the more reason to be planning an escape route IMO.  Dual residency somewhere is at the top of my list right now.  

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:52 | 5781474 rwe2late
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 But

"sharing" is good, right ??

 

Sound so much nicer than

presidential directive will requisition private corporate data

to use for monitoring citizens.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:53 | 5781482 observer007
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Shocking List Of Official Proven False Flag Attacks

http://homment.com/falseflag4

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 13:54 | 5781487 RushRoolz
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It's Okay. If you are not a security risk then "you have nothing to worry about". Now, if someone somewhere redefines "security risk" as anti-gubmint comments on ZH, well then we may have us a problem...

 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:55 | 5781800 Arnold
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What you mean 'we', paleface?

 

--oldie but goodie

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:00 | 5781516 cherry picker
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The USA of Argentina, where the good guys are murdered or thrown in jail so their illustrious leaders can live the good life, create new improved shackles and chains for their minions.

This will not end up well as history shows minions will only take it for so long.  America can see it in its own history and the revolution that started the country.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:00 | 5781518 Atomizer
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A few suggestions.

https://www.donotcall.gov/

http://www.justice.gov/spam.htm

 127.0.0.1       localhost 

 #------ socialnetworks---------------

 127.0.0.1   www.facebook.com

 127.0.0.1   facebook.com

 127.0.0.1  www.twitter.com

 127.0.0.1  twitter.com

 127.0.0.1   tweetboard.com

 127.0.0.1   youtube.com

 127.0.0.1   www.youtube.com

 127.0.0.1   myspace.com

 127.0.0.1   mylife.com

 127.0.0.1   plus.google.com

 127.0.0.1  1stplacesports.com

 127.0.0.1  craigslist.com

 127.0.0.1  craigslist.net

 127.0.0.1  craigslist.org

 

Keep your Bluetooth and Wi-Fi roaming off. Pairing is done by a security code only. Turn off broadcasting phone feature. Select only contacts on phone list to contact you, all other attempts will be denied. That’s how Blackberry works.   

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:42 | 5781722 SnatchnGrab
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You forget one key point my friend. By virtue of your cell phone simply being turned on - you can be tracked. Hell, it might be possible to do with the darned thing turned off.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:02 | 5781528 agstacks
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I wonder if there are any custom ROMs for Android that disable the "phone home" features...?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:07 | 5781555 Atomizer
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Forgot, keep your GPS off and use as a emergency use only. Buy a map or ask someone for directions. Your smart phone is selling 3rd party information based on downloaded applications.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:41 | 5781713 SnatchnGrab
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I'll go you one better. By virtue of you owning a cell phone - you can be tracked. Use an ATM card? Tracked. Use a credit card? Tracked.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:10 | 5781572 Duc888
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How to sidestep the Constitution. Nice.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:12 | 5781893 Atomizer
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Pawn Storm Update: iOS Espionage App Found

Apple phones. Everything is kill switch with iPhone. Constitution is alive and well. Just look at recent Retail sales.

Retail Sales: SUCKS

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229831

Even though I pick on Karl over Gold & Silver physical holdings, we always agree to disagree.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 16:04 | 5781576 WhyWait
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<relocated to "live broadcast" post

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 16:04 | 5782181 Atomizer
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The only drivers are people that depend on Capitalism to support Government handouts. I don't fear life. Because I refuse to spend money within the city to rape taxes to fund SNAP. When Obama passes the Internet law for taxation, we will just go underground to get news. Expect lower MSM ratings, fewer advertisement monies to offset prime anchor contract deals.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:12 | 5781581 First There Is ...
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http://www.businessinsider.com/washington-police-shoot-antonio-zambrano-montes-2015-2

 

All you need to see, right there. This is your future. Period......

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:16 | 5781603 Bumbu Sauce
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We'll all be throwing rocks into traffic?

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:29 | 5781655 First There Is ...
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I'm guessing you were unable to fix your attention on the video until its conclusion? Common setback for most ZH'ers these days. Let me give you a spoiler in that case. Unwarranted police execution (of someone throwing stones so a stern warning to you) of some mentally challenged apple picker. It's important to actually view the content, not just read the lead in.....

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:51 | 5782119 usednabused
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Actually he has no interest in watching any video to its conclusion. Or who or how police murder people. He's a paid troll working for hasbara. His interests lie in making life miserable for the goyim

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:17 | 5781607 Unix
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I have something they can share...just can't say it, LOL!! Morons, molon labe!

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:36 | 5781683 homiegot
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Get a burner phone.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:24 | 5781967 Atomizer
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Not necessary, just black list the certificate.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:41 | 5781714 Jethro
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Lets get this party started already. 

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:42 | 5781719 It'sThatBad
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Please support this White House petition.  It's toungue-in-cheek but makes an obvious point.  90 more signatures and will be publicly viewable from the petition home page:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/provide-kneepads-all-congressm...

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:45 | 5781739 Mike Honcho
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The EO's are no longer signed, instead of a row of ball point pens the prezident will take selfies holding the document, utilizing a row of selfie sticks.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 14:48 | 5781765 Jack Burton
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I know liberals who support Obama. His spying, his wars, his lies his constitution trashing! But sadly, I know just as many conservatives who supprted Bush's lies, wars, spying etc.

How can you people support YOUR political party? When both of them fuck us over.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:11 | 5781886 MrSteve
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That's why I support my local community "ice cream socialists". They leave each other alone except when help is needed or asked for... the rest of the thieves in suits all deserve to be in jail.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:34 | 5782020 death2Tyrant-asauras
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the Libs, for lack of a better term, are functionally insane.

 

earlier this week I had dinner with a woman friend who owns her own business.

 

she was complaining about lack of growth in the biz, the loss of clients, and how bad your healthcare sucked and how expensive it was.  tht while she had found Insurance that she could afford, none of her doctors would accept her insurance.

 

and yet, she would hear no negative criticism of Obama.

 

Wow.  Just effing Wow.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:10 | 5781870 q99x2
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On 9/11/2001 The United States of America officially ended as an intependent Nation. History books of the future will show that when the Executive Branch of the United States worked with the CIA to assist the Saudis in the destruction of the World Trade Centers and afterwards did nothing to retaliate but instead began the buildout of the DHS to attack US Citizens all those that died defending this country died for nothing. The NWO took over the United States and Europe and is currently working to take over Russia and China.

The NWO continues its never-ending WWs for control of the planet. If you wish to receive the answer as to what happens in the next 50 years please send 3 bucks and an xray of yourself to Q99X2, Q99x2 ave, Q99x2, Q99x2, Q99x2

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 13:12 | 5784390 TeethVillage88s
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On Earth we had Kings, Earls, Manors... these people controlled the land, Crops, and the wealth. At some point we know metallurgy began, gold and copper could be hammered into a useful form, but metallurgy provided weapons as well as mining & trade for metals. Oldest reference in writing seems to be Mesopotamia where Shekels were referenced to contracts and laws carved into stone. Crops & Animal Husbandry are like 12,000 old at least from evidence found in caves. Metallurgy is estimated at least to 6,000 years ago. Bankers & Spying probably trace back to Metallurgy's beginning.

From Teeth's Rules, Wealth & Bailouts, Royals Rule the World, (not a finished product)

- Golden Rule, Treat Royalty or people with Gold or Fiat with deference since they have lots of contacts, they can interfere with your trade, and contracts with them are very valuable

- So American Governments & Politicians treat Royalty the best, even after a 911 event in which they might have been involved

- Bailout Rule, we can call anything a bailout as long as it benefits the very wealthy or powerful (like a US Car Company), this is why we bailed out Jeff Immelt at GE Capital and all of our TBTF Banks

- Bailout Rule means that the Wealthy have to come out "Winners" even after the years of compensation and Bonuses from corporate funds, even when they are obviously to blame for management of companies or banks that require action

- Bailout Rule never makes a government or country a winner nor that they will regain wealth or wash away a debt, quite the opposite, the Bailout Rule States that Banks, Royalty, Elite Investors, or Corporations are the old eligible for being made "Winners" again

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:14 | 5781904 pashley1411
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"information sharing and analysis organizations" (ISAOs)"   In the venacular, that's "Fasicist".

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:17 | 5781924 SMC
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The alleged "most transparent" administration showing it's true colors. 

Then again, some states have their own brand of "Just Us" as well...

Hundreds of South Carolina Inmates Sent to Solitary Confinement Over Facebook

“In the South Carolina prison system, accessing Facebook is an offense on par with murder, rape, rioting, escape and hostage-taking.”…

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/02/hundreds-south-carolina-inmates-se...

 

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 13:18 | 5784349 TeethVillage88s
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Difference btw Obama & GWB is only that Obama wants to parent the people like a king or a monarch or whatever. Maybe he learned "Strong Black Man" authority style from Rev. Jim Write or whatever his name was.

Seems like if you hang around church leaders they want to come across like a pope or a "father" for everyone.

Like they get to say what the values are and the punishments are... like gay marriage, gun ownership, school lunches, DOJ prosecution of TBTF, FED Waivers for Citicorp & Travelers to merge

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:18 | 5781926 brushhog
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Dumped facebook, and google plus ( which is more invasive than facebook ), no cell phone, buy with cash. if you value your privacy there is no other choice.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 16:33 | 5782315 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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What if you have businesses that rely on the internet and the like...there is no escape

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:21 | 5781939 RabbitOne
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As a Database Manager using big blue computers, before I retired, I saw the treasure trove of personal information that private industry accumulates on people. Using data warehouses it is easy to spot trends at any level say individual to community. Now they add to this the government collected data!  Soon any direction you walk you will be surveilled, what you buy is recorded, what you write is tracked and what you say is recorded.

 Yet our government accuses the Chinese of cyber terrorism; it’s the pot calling the kettle black. Many people cannot put two and two together why this is happening. Look at it from their prospective:

The U.S. is time bomb financially waiting to explode. When government is disrupted some day by markets it cannot control and for whatever reason and cannot finance itself for whatever reason it has over 300 million people to account for any one point in time. So it is essential to keep all electronics working above all else. That way they know where everyone is at – remember they can track your vehicles also. They can determine where crowds are building from the electronics. They can estimate the threat of the crowd from prior data gathered. I said enough. Now you run with it…

Remember government collects data to keep government running. Not to protect you…       

Sat, 02/14/2015 - 12:40 | 5784343 TeethVillage88s
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Which makes me think that the 2008 Crash was Bull*hit.

Lehman and Bear Sterns we young upstarts, not the old Europe Guard. SO TBTF started cutting them off. They were picked as losers. Maybe Citi & AIG were too, but then were allowed to get bailed out.

As you say, the government fixes everything. They control the Financial Links through TBTF. But there really isn't a way to make "Winners" out of TBTF from the Sub-Prime Mess that was going on since Oct 2005 (the Top)... unless TBTF were bailed out and Main Street Wasn't. But the Government normally would identify a weak area which was growing into a mess, and they would just tweek the system.

- Standard Procedure.

- Finance & TBTF is about Winning, and keeping the King or Government running

- Most have been a dozen or two dozen possible alternatives in the 2008 Financial crisis, turning a bail over to the TBTF Banks was obviously not a first idea for any moral person

---------------------------------

Enter the Era of NSA & DHS Spying in 2002, Officially, but Domestic Spying at least goes back to COINTEL-PRO

- BTW, DHS doing the Spying is Mission Creep, if we have to fund brand new servers and computers to get the new goal complete... it is already a redundant Agency, now you want it to duplicate NSA work, or provide greater funding to NSA through a back door

- And DHS is already providing equipment, communications gear to local police, who says DHS new Goals here are not just an effort to funnel more assets to local police, local computer exchanges, to gather Cell Phone & Computer Data, maybe Smart Appliance Data... just like old telephone switch boards at the county level

- Sure, that is what they would want to do, Local DHS Switch Boards, county level would work best to dissect the data, track vehicles, real time solutions

- Real Time Solutions at the Local Level, Yep, that is what I would do, Decentralize NSA Data gathering or coordination, license plate readers, cell phone towers, ISPs, Internet Providers, facial recognition, vehicle movement by vehicle key transmitters/receivers

- Obviously a MIC connected company like AT&T would have the equipment for DHS Switch Boards, Hubs, and would be lobbying Senate & House of Representatives over the Last Year... Yep, AT&T, Mediacom, Comcast,

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:30 | 5781993 death2Tyrant-asauras
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plus, you get electro-lytes.

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:53 | 5782132 b a n n e d
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2015 years we lost freedom

false flage agenda...

Fri, 02/13/2015 - 15:58 | 5782157 RabbitOne
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Our government has not deserved our support in quite some time…So here are a few of my thoughts about our government:

Mark Twain — 'Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it.'

 Democrats in your Wallet. Republicans in your Bedroom . So I vote Libertarian…

Libertarians do it with willing participants…

If voting changed anything they would make it illegal…

The only difference between democrats and republicans is how they spend your money after they steal it…

I don’t need sex – the government f*ucks me everyday…

Sure you can trust the government! Just ask any American Indian…

Obama – Hope has faded…

I’m not a racist. I just don’t like Obama’s white half either…

Somewhere in Kenya or Indonesia a village is missing its idiot…

Yes trees, no bush…

One nation under debt…

I’m already against the next war…

Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one…

 

Two Parties…One agenda…

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