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The Untold Story Of A Ukrainian Sniper Who Took Part In The Maidan Massacre
One of the biggest mysteries surrounding the February 2014 US-staged coup in Ukraine and the violent overthrow of then president Yanukovich, is "who started shooting first" by which we, of course, refer to the lethal shooting escalation between the government's police force and random snipers who conducted target practice with various citizens and officials of the law during the crackdown at the Euro Maidan square protests, which eventually escalated into all out violence whose culmination was the overthrow of the president.
In order to preserve the western narrative that the entire event was not one staged, massive, and very deadly false flag event, protest organisers have always denied any involvement. Which is why stories such as the one we wrote in March, which revealed that "Behind The Kiev Snipers It Was Somebody From The New Coalition" - A Stunning New Leak Released" got precisely zero traction in the western press.
But now, for the first time, one man has spoken up and told the BBC a different story. The story of "Sergei" does not answer all the questions, or even most of them. But it does shine a light on what else happened, what has not been reported in the western media until now, and why the events played out as they did.
It goes without saying, that since this is a story about Ukraine, one sourced by an anonymous Ukraine resident, and one which has been filtered by the establishment media, that everything below should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
The untold story of the Maidan massacre
A day of bloodshed on Kiev's main square, nearly a year ago, marked the end of a winter of protest against the government of president Viktor Yanukovych, who soon afterwards fled the country. More than 50 protesters and three policemen died. But how did the shooting begin?
It's early in the morning, 20 February, 2014. Kiev's Maidan square is divided - on one side the riot police, the protesters on the other.
This has been going on for more than two months now. But events are about to come to a head. By the end of the day, more than 50 people will be dead, many of them gunned down in the street by security forces.
The violence will lead to the downfall of Ukraine's pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Moscow will call 20 February an armed coup, and use it to justify the annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in Eastern Ukraine.
The protest leaders, some of whom now hold positions of power in the new Ukraine, insist full responsibility for the shootings lies with the security forces, acting on behalf of the previous government.
But one year on, some witnesses are beginning to paint a different picture.
"I was shooting downwards at their feet," says a man we will call Sergei, who tells me he took up position in the Kiev Conservatory, a music academy on the south-west corner of the square.
"Of course, I could have hit them in the arm or anywhere. But I didn't shoot to kill."
Sergei says he had been a regular protester on the Maidan for more than a month, and that his shots at police on the square and on the roof of an underground shopping mall, caused them to retreat.
There had been shooting two days earlier, on 18 February. The 19th, a Wednesday, had been quieter, but in the evening, Sergei says, he was put in contact with a man who offered him two guns: one a 12-gauge shotgun, the other a hunting rifle, a Saiga that fired high-velocity rounds.
He chose the latter, he says, and stashed it in the Post Office building, a few yards from the Conservatory. Both buildings were under the control of the protesters.
When the shooting started early on the morning of the 20th, Sergei says, he was escorted to the Conservatory, and spent some 20 minutes before 07:00 firing on police, alongside a second gunman.
His account is partially corroborated by other witnesses. That morning, Andriy Shevchenko, then an opposition MP and part of the Maidan movement, had received a phone call from the head of the riot police on the square.
"He calls me and says, 'Andriy, somebody is shooting at my guys.' And he said that the shooting was from the Conservatory."
Shevchenko contacted the man in charge of security for the protesters, Andriy Parubiy, known as the Commandant of the Maidan.
"I sent a group of my best men to go through the entire Conservatory building and determine whether there were any firing positions," Parubiy says.
Meanwhile the MP, Andriy Shevchenko, was getting increasingly panicked phone calls.
"I kept getting calls from the police officer, who said: 'I have three people wounded, I have five people wounded, I have one person dead.' And at some point he says, 'I am pulling out.' And he says, 'Andriy I do not know what will be next.' But I clearly felt that something really bad was about to happen."
Andriy Parubiy, now deputy speaker of the Ukrainian parliament, says his men found no gunmen in the Conservatory building.
But a photographer who gained access to the Conservatory later in the morning - shortly after 08:00 - took pictures there of men with guns, although he did not see them fire.
Sergei's account also differs from Parubiy's.
"I was just reloading," he told me. "They ran up to me and one put his foot on top of me, and said, 'They want a word with you, everything is OK, but stop doing what you're doing.'"
Sergei says he is convinced the men who dragged him away were from Parubiy's security unit, though he didn't recognise their faces. He was escorted out of the Conservatory building, taken out of Kiev by car, and left to make his own way home.
By that time three policemen had been fatally wounded and the mass killings of protesters had begun.
Kiev's official investigation has focused on what happened afterwards - after the riot police began to retreat from the square. In video footage, they are clearly seen firing towards protesters as they pull back.
Only three people have been arrested, all of them members of a special unit of riot police. And of these three, only two - the lower-ranking officers - remain in custody. The unit's commanding officer, Dmitry Sadovnik, was granted bail and has now disappeared.
The three policemen are accused of causing 39 deaths. But at least a further dozen protestors were killed - and the three policemen who died of their wounds.
Some of the dead were almost certainly shot by snipers, who seemed to be shooting from some of the taller buildings surrounding the square.
Lawyers for the victims and sources in the general prosecutor's office have told the BBC that when it comes to investigating deaths that could not have been caused by the riot police, they have found their efforts blocked by the courts.
"If you think of Yanukovych's time, it was like a Bermuda triangle: the prosecutor's office, the police and the courts," says Andriy Shevchenko. "Everyone knew that they co-operated, they covered each other and that was the basis of the massive corruption in the country. Those connections still exists."
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Ukraine's Prosecutor General, Vitaly Yarema, was dismissed this week, amid harsh criticism of his handling of the investigation.
Meanwhile, conspiracy theories flourish.
"I'm certain that the shootings of the 20th were carried out by snipers who arrived from Russia and who were controlled by Russia," says Andriy Parubiy, the former Commandant of the Maidan.
"The shooters were aiming to orchestrate a bloodbath on Maidan."
This is a widely-held belief in Ukraine. In Russia, many believe the opposite - that the revolt on Maidan was a Western conspiracy, a CIA-inspired coup designed to pull Ukraine out of Moscow's orbit. Neither side offers convincing evidence for its assertion.
The overwhelming majority of the protesters on Maidan were peaceful, unarmed citizens, who braved months of bitter cold to demand a change to their corrupt government. As far as is known, all the protesters killed on 20 February were unarmed.
The leaders of the Maidan have always maintained they did their best to keep guns away from the square.
"We knew that our strength was not to use force, and our weakness would be if we start shooting," says Andriy Shevchenko.
Parubiy says it is possible that a handful of protesters with weapons may have come to the Maidan as part of a spontaneous, unorganised response to violence from the security forces in the days running up to 20 February.
"I did hear that, after the shootings on 18 February, there were guys who came to Maidan with hunting rifles. I was told that sometimes they were the relatives or parents of those people who were killed on the 18th. So I concede that it's possible there were people with hunting rifles on Maidan. When the snipers began to kill our guys, one after another, I can imagine that those with the hunting rifles returned fire."
Sergei, again, tells a different story. He says he was recruited as a potential shooter in late-January, by a man he describes only as a retired military officer. Sergei himself was a former soldier.
"We got chatting, and he took me under his wing. He saw something in me that he liked. Officers are like psychologists, they can see who is capable. He kept me close."
The former officer dissuaded him from joining any of the more militant groups active on the Maidan.
"'Your time will come,' he said."
Was he being prepared, psychologically, to take up arms?
"Not that we sat down and worked out a plan. But we talked about it privately and he prepared me for it."
It is not clear who the man who apparently recruited Sergei was, or whether he belonged to any of the recognised groups active on the Maidan.
And there is much else that we still do not know, such as who fired the first shots on 20 February.
As for conspiracy theories, it is possible that Sergei was manipulated, played like a pawn in a bigger game. But that is not the way he sees it. He was a simple protester, he says, who took up arms in self-defence.
"I didn't want to shoot anyone or kill anyone. But that was the situation. I don't feel like some kind of hero. The opposite: I have trouble sleeping, bad premonitions. I'm trying to control myself. But I just get nervous all the time. I have nothing to be proud of. It's easy to shoot. Living afterwards, that's the hard thing. But you have to defend your country."
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Centuries of training.
Yup, neo-Nazi coup supported by the U.S., right in Russia's backyard.
Bad idea all around.
Some of the US gov generated false flag ops have yielded wonderous results for the totilitarian US gov.
Recent example of Sandy Hoax, where no one died, has been a tremendous platform for the tyranical gun control agenda.
Hell its not even the first time. I find it telling that the "news" doesn't think that Biden's son running the energy company already in Ukraine to be the least bit ironic? It doesn't even get a mention. People other than here or some other alternative media even understand what I just said. Every time I bring it up, it get's immediately dismissed and somebody changes the issue as fast as they can and tries to keep their distance.
Just like Jules Vern's idea's became reality as did much of "Star Trek", so shall the Matrix.
The shooters shot the police and the protesters. Shot the police to get them to shoot the protesters. Check out Operation Gladio and other uses of snipers in US-supported putsch/revolutionary operations.
The fact that the US-supported putsch regime has yet to find the snipers tells you who was behind them.
Why would the BBC publish this? Are the masters of the universe throwing the Nazis in Kiev under the bus now?
Yep. Pretty much.
Poroshenko is not killing people fast enough. Do the US will throw him under the bus and get someone really blood-thirsty.
You can see Kolomoisky's name is nowhere to be seen, even though he was the one financing the thugs and he's involved on MH17.
Being an ally of the US is not good for one's life expectancy. e.g. Diem and that guy in Panama!
or the Shah or Hussein (back when he was fighting Iran)....
but those that DO gp along with the US can become VERY rich and last for quite a while...... look at Marcos
"Are the masters of the universe throwing the Nazis in Kiev under the bus now? "
They may be discovering that their backers have come to conclude that the time for their utility has expired.
The cease-fire they don't seem to agree with might have been a clean sign that they are gong to be maginalized and or eliminated to make way for new less openly ideological characters with which to insititute subtler expressions of intention.
Next!
Yes and No, they are gonna throw the USA under the bus (or think so). Their darling UN is in place, currency will be destroyed and when supply lines are broken, someone like Ron or Rand Paul will negotiate the best settlement we can get and lead the despaerate starving Americans into the new single world bank. Many will be pleased to learn the new currency will be gold backed, regrettably yours will be confiscated. You will be bombarded with real pictures of emaciated American women and children and those that don't relinquish their holdings will become targets.
I think this time is different.
Wagons will begin to circle the moment gun or gold confiscation begins.
Maintain an affiliation with the OathKeepers.
A thought I had is somebody is going to have to backstop the Greek debt. Sounds to the EU like a job for the FED......but maybe FED was balking for some reason. This could put pressure on them, which will bring out the 'we must do this to save the world crap' , and if they commit our tax dollars then this guy goes away and we never hear much more about it?
Let us concede that none involved have entirely clean hands.
The former government was deeply corrupt. Russia support them because it was easier than cleaning up the mess.
The US should not have been meddling and arming seraratist nazi scumbags either.
Some elements not wiliing to trust or submit to either probably acted in their own interest and/or out of frustration with and hatered for both sides.
The questions at present that should be considered:
What do the people in the various regions want? -Fuck the whole territorial integrity strawman.
IMHO, these people are soveriegn and have innate rights to self determination. IF they want to live as Russians or as Ukrainians or whatever, so be it. One nation? Two nations? Five nations? Who should care one way or another or force them apart or force them together?
How are their natural economic and cultural interests best served? -Fuck the corrupt former oligarchy, fuck the neo-nazi junta, fuck the EU, fuck the US, and fuck Russia, too.
Let them speak the language they want. Let them trade with whom they want. Let them do as they please and live in peace.
Yeah, that's not going to happen until the oligarchs either have their heads taken or realize that there's not much left that they can steal over there.
Ukrainian oligarchs, Russian oligarchs, European oligrarchs, American oligarchs?
Seems like we have a helluva lot of oligarchs to dispose of before we can even begin to sort out our respective domestic economies properly and re-negotiate our trade and emmigration relationships, etc...
All of the above. There is a country to be raped.
You mean there is a country that isn't being raped?
( spins globe, tries to read names whirling by, frowning... )
Current raping does not preclude further raping.
Countries not being raped by foreign oligarchs? I can think of North Korea and the Vatican. lol
The Vatican is one of the rapists.
Why didn't we hear Sergei's story months ago?...
Ah well!... It really doesn't matter when you have a high ranking General in the Ukrainian Army saying this!!!
Guess it's a genuine 'civil war" no matter what John Kerry and Secret Chimp tells us?
I go with the simple answer to the question.
1) If there were snipers on the building shooting to kill police then there would be a LOT more than 3 dead policemen. Also there would be no protestors killed except those that could be tracced to police weapons.
2) So snipers were shooting at both police and protestors. Why.
3) The obvious answer would be to provoke an incident, get the armed police to open fire on protestors. This creates martyrs and increases popular support for the protest and taints the incumbent powers.
4) I assume this is scripted in detail in some CIA manual somewhere.
Regardless of who the snipers actually were, look into Operation Ajax. This looks very similar. Iran looked ready to pivot towards the USSR, the CIA paid protestors to cause problems, a bunch of people got killed, the old leadership was ousted and a puppet was installed that was pro US.
The snipers could have been some psychopathic Right Sektor fucks for all we know.
The recipe book with the Langley Good Housekeeping seal of approval!
All hail our comrade, the great Putler, defender of freedoms and human rights! Whatever he does is perfect, the ultimate chess master!
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It's sad that you upvoted your own comment.
Oh really? It is sad that you fail to see how Russia is blocking anyone who is anti-Kremlin, yet you conspiracy nuts will be the first ones to bash if someone in the West did something even close to that.
The Russians need to take care of their own problems. We need to take care of ours. Putin is no saint. But the US is playing in a sandbox FAR from our home. Higher standard applies when an imperial power is trying to project power thousands of miles from its homeland.
Can't wait for all of you couch heroes to sober up once the war is over and you realize that the country is in shambles. Then it will be like..."that's cool...Amerika will help us". Just as ask Lybia, Syria, Iraq and the two 'Stans how that's working out so far. It gets tougher to shout Slava Nacii on an empty stomach. Luckily I buy popcorn in bulk...so we have time.
rising sun ( Bumper Sticker ) : I'M AN IGNORANT AND PROUD OF IT .
CANUKIE Yarosh scum just enied peace deal go get yourself conscripted . they are running low on sheeple
Max Steel, nothing is more funny than Zerohedger conspiracy nuts calling other people sheeple :D How is that market short doing? Dollar collapse anyday now right? I heard ruble is worth almost the same as toilet paper these days, in dollar terms. Buy gold!!!
How some of you still got money is a mystery.
hashtag - troll hard. lol. yes, it would seem, to me at least, that Zerohedge has somewhat declined in journalistic credibility since I first started keeping up a few year ago. Or maybe I am just jaded by zero good news from Mr. Durden. Because, granted there is plenty of bullshit conniving corrupt powermongers in the world. But all is not lost. There is still much reason for hope. And we must never give up hope. hashtag, libertariansolidarity.
proud ignorants have issues in accepting their mistakes . I can understand your point . Well i've been following zh over an year and i've read your comments several times apart from posting your repurigiating bullshit due to hatred for russia your knowledge on financial and market concepts is inept . I've never mentioned about dollar crashing or tacking u gold . THOUGH in my country , people have fetish for gold .
We have to work hard and earn money unlike you I don't have any privilege to go collect my monthly checks from state department office for providing such invaluable services for them . . No worries though. The world also needs idiots and morons. Keep it up (y)
Putin is coming to get you RisingSun. He said he heard you were talking shit about him and he's going to kick your ass.
i gave him thumbs up.
DUmbfucks moving in pack . Pen rising cunt and freedom . 3 muskeeters
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While it certainly doesn't qualify as a "suppressor", the stock 10/22 with bull barrel is amazingly quiet (relatively speaking). I also understand that a fluted bull barrel is even more "silent". For low-cost sniping operations, this weapon is an outstanding choice.
Was going to say: "Paging freedom123", but dude is quick.
When u r a troll, most of the links and url's are probably provided to you similar to talking points, so that is another way of identifying the troll species. Fast response.
It's copy/paste, hang out waiting for new stories (on anything, apparently) and fire away.
The hope is that the story is linked to by a variety of other websites and the propaganda gets spread. Remember, most people left their critical thinking skills behind when they left their cribs. And the up/down votes don't show unless you're logged in which other websites don't facilitate. So unless the comment is deleted it has potential for further distribution to the clueless.
It's basically, throw enough shit against the wall, collect your paycheck, pat yourself on the back for a job well done, and then suck your own dick.
Rinse and repeat.
Going to a good book or movie someday.
Once the fat lady sings.....
If there is a god......,, save us all now!
Until then, I'll keep stacking. Also, I ran out of room for more ammo.
And so it begins (hopefully?). The slow but gradual reversal of war (against Russia) fever. Perhaps it's too much to be true - we know the USG/NATO warmongers will never admit to their complicity in the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Ukraine. Or those in MH17. But maybe things will quiet down for a couple of years. The markets sure like it.
There is no such thing as a 'spontaneous' revolution. There is always some force behind it that make use of people's genuine desire for change. For this force, protesters are useful idiots.
Protesters might win a revolution but they won't be the ones that will continue it.
"Protesters might win a revolution but they won't be the ones that will continue it."
This is the tragedy of human history. The people out in Maidan, the vast majority of them, were there for a valid reason. Yanukovich was corrupt, and wildly so. That leads to a genuine popular desire to get rid of him.
But it never stops there. Those in the street know only that they want him out. They don't have the time, background, or energy to devote to thinking about who they want to replace him. That leaves the field open for those who have nothing but that time, background, and energy. And those people never have the population's interest in their hearts, only their own narrow self-interest. In this case, enter Nuland et al. Russia's puppet Yanukovich got burned out, only to be replaced by the USSA's group of puppets.
Ukraine can only pray that a true native Ukrainian with the balls and the charisma to stand up against BOTH superpowers can survive long enough to grow a movement to stop the war, let the Russian-descended population in the east decide to do what they want, the non-Russians in the west do what they want, and expose the external actors for the evil scum they are.
It's a dream, but it's about all we've got... :(
Have you ever heard of a movement called Otpor? That was a 'spontaneous' movement that played a role in the overthrow of Milosevic in Yugoslavia. Milosevic was a crook for sure. But Otpor was/is CIA sponsored and got credit for the overthrow of Milosevic while people had been protesting for years in Yugoslavia. After his removal, Serbia was kept in the doghouse and lost Kosovo. Otpor members got rewarded. Some went into politics. One of them was instrumental in the overthrow of some regime on the Maldives (I think) AND GOT AN ISLAND AS A REWARD.
Otpor's model was replicated in Egypt and Iran.
It's always been mildly amusing to me when people in the West assert that politicians in the East are "corrupt". While you may be willing to acknowledge that Western politicians are capable of an equal measure of corruption, hopefully you understand that ALL politicians are inherently corrupt and necessarily sociopathic in their methods and behaviors, particularly with regard to their methods of dealing with political dissidents and/or political protestors.
Some of these politicians and government authorities, regardless of their national origin, are much easier to identify than others. When someone speaks in general terms about Russian or Ukrainian politicians being corrupt and ruthless in a Mafia type methodology, could the same argument be made with regard to politicians in the USSA?
People who are drawn to participate in the political arena share the common desire to be shown "right". Because their self-identity is defined by being "right", they must then define any who disagree with them as "wrong". I've commented before that the concept of the US founders was brilliant in that it attempted to limit the capacity of the structure of government to wield significant control, regardless of who was running it. That functions only as well as those tasked with defending the concept allow it to, however. The tyrants have returned, and they now love to speak freedom while practicing oppression.
Any force that decreases/decentralizes/deemphasizes large conglomerations of power globally is a positive in today's climate. Large scale organized power - corporate, political, or religious - is anathema to individual dignity and spiritual growth.
The organizing social structures people have adopted in the past several decades are destroying us as individuals.
We are humans, we need to come together and organize. I get that. But we need to do so in group sizes that allow actual interaction! People who are fighting for "the US"... the people in charge of "the US" have no clue who you are, they don't care who you are, they don't care if you die for them, and they want only their own personal power. Why do you think it is your duty to die for people who have zero actual tangible connection to you, your life, and your family?
The same for thousands of different "social/political/religious" group affiliations.
Our social constructs are out of our control. Time to abandon them and find newer, smaller ones within which we can excercise actual control and connection again so as to restart human progress. There is zero human spiritual progress happening in today's world. We need to turn that around.
Th U.S. government, mostly controlled by the greed of monied interest (now oligarch and multinational corporations), has always been sociopathic, since it developed from murdering American Indians from the Atlatic to the Pacific Oceans. It genocidal policies later branched out to Cuba, Pacific Islands, the Philipines, and Southeast Asia where it gave the indiginous peoples there the same treatment it gave to the original Americans. It is now working on Arabs and apparently wants to extend it's race war to Slavic peoples based on an ideology of politico/economistic superiority.
SofaPapa:
"This is the tragedy of human history. The people out in Maidan, the vast majority of them, were there for a valid reason. Yanukovich was corrupt, and wildly so. That leads to a genuine popular desire to get rid of him."
Of course that is the real reason for the problems in Ukraine. Yatso was running the country as Puutie runs Russia. It is also mentioned in the first few paragraphs of the article. The totalitarian Puutie lovers on ZH cannot understand why a population that had been freed from the USSR would possibly object to having that method of government restored. Yatso knew his time was up and he left for a long retirement back in Puutie land.
You're missing the point.
Though the people of Ukraine wanted to be rid of Yanukovich, that does NOT mean that they were looking to be ruled by Poroshenko and his buddies. Their situation is worse than it was before. And while Putin is a contributor to this shitshow, he is not the dominant contributor. The US is now the single most destructive force in that region for the Ukranian people. Thousands of Ukranians are dying because of US political meddling in a place they have zero moral standing for doing so.
There are plenty of enemies to go around. But recognizing which of the enemies is the most dangerous is a good start.
Their situation is worse than it was before because the former Russian master will not allow them freedom. We cannot know what Poroshenko could have done to change the corruption of the old government. Puutie was immediately on the attack to reclaim the control that his puppet Yatso had lost. Ukranians under Poroshenko have only known war. Ukraine should have kept a few nukes. I believe that a large neighbor invading the country could have justified the use or at least deterred the invasion. As it turns out the faith in EU and US promises was misplaced.
Crying shame they didn't have a few nukes. Yeah. But good effort with the fighter jet.
Congrats Augustus! stupidest comment of the day award is all yours.
An election was due shortly, in which the voice of the people of Ukraine could have spoken as to who should lead their country.
The Corporate-Fascist U.S. government couldn't stomach this so they fomented a revolution to throw out the elected and soon-to-be-elected government to install their chosen leader and its supporting Neo-Nazi regime.
It should be obvious that the powers that be in the U.S. (Corporate-Fascists) care not about the needs of the Ukrainian people any more than they do for those of the people of the EU (Recall Nuland's statement), and for that matter, for the needs of the citizens of the U.S.
SofaPapa --
You suggest it's legitmate for people to violently overhtrow their government if they deem it corrupt. But what about democracy? What about elections? Certainly our governemt is corrupt in a myriad of subtle ways. Do you advocate its violent overthrow? I do not.
Yanukovich faced elections in Feb 2015 (this very month). Had we allowed the electoral calendar to play out, he would probably have lost -- and Crimea would now be in the Ukrainian Repubic and there would have been no civil war in the land. And if he had attempted to steal the election -- there are ways to deal with that as we saw in 2004.
You say Yanukovich was a Russian puppet. That is far from the case. He was certainly Moscow's preferred candidate in 2010, and, as president, he did not threaten Russia's vital interests. But he also withstood enormous Kremlin pressure to join the Eurasian Customs Union, insisted that Ukraine's vocation was in Europe, denounced the Putin-Timoshenko gas pricing deal at every turn -- much to the consternation of V. V. Putin -- failed to deliver on his campaign promise to elevate Russian to equal status with Ukrainian as an offiicial language of state, etc., etc. Yes, Yanukovich did agree to the extension of Russia's lease on its naval base in Crimea, but on balance, Yanukovich failed to deliver for Moscow. His chief advantage in Moscow's eyes we that he was better than any of the others. When it came to shilling for Russian interests in Ukriane, he was a piker compared to Timoshenko whose gas deal with Putin was a windfall for Russia.
The puppet applies far more the Washington's relationship with Poroshenko and Yatseniuk that it does to Russia's with Yanukovich.
You suggest it's legitmate for people to violently overhtrow their government if they deem it corrupt. But what about democracy? What about elections? Certainly our governemt is corrupt in a myriad of subtle ways. Do you advocate its violent overthrow? I do not.
I am actually a pacifist, and as such, some of what I write on here borders on hypocrisy. I explain it this way, however. I do not advocate violence, but I absolutely understand it. I have posted several times before regarding my opinions of our current "elections". The trouble I see is that every election in the US beyond the tightly local level has been pre-determined in the "money race" long before any voter steps into a voting booth. A selection between two oligarch-approved candidates cannot eliminate oligarchic control, and there is now a documented oligarchy in control of our country (the Princeton study did a nice job quantifying this). I have thus far not seen a way historically that corrects a situation like this that does not involve violence. I find it sad, but as Vonnegut once wrote, "there [will] always be wars, that they [are] as easy to stop as glaciers." I suspect that this situation, too, will eventually lead to internal violence in the US, and I am sympathetic to the reasons for it, even though I don't think the tool leads to durable positive results.
Yanukovich faced elections in Feb 2015 (this very month). Had we allowed the electoral calendar to play out, he would probably have lost -- and Crimea would now be in the Ukrainian Repubic and there would have been no civil war in the land. And if he had attempted to steal the election -- there are ways to deal with that as we saw in 2004.
You say Yanukovich was a Russian puppet. That is far from the case.
What you write here (and the details I didn't paste, just to save space) is very interesting. Thanks for the perspective. I hadn't gone back in my mind for a while to think about those months before the coup that took out Yanukovich. His case is definitely an interesting one. I have no special knowledge of the inner workings of his government or his actions, so I'll stick to my memories of the news cycle from that time. And as I remember it you're right, he was jumping around a lot. One day it was Russia, the next it was the EU, the next, he was back in the Russian sphere of influence. I would interpret that, based on his apparent lack of popularity in the street, as him looking for the best personal deal for himself and his friends. He was using the classic "get the other offer to bump up the offer you've already got" strategy. What was his intended end-game? We'll never know, because he was abruptly removed from the scene. One thing to note, however, is that when it all went down in the end, he went to Russia, and it was Russia who physically took him in. Also, as long as he was in power, Russia felt secure enough in their control of Crimea that they did not feel the need to do what they did immediately upon his exit. Those things being said, your point is valid that he exercised greater independence than the term "puppet" usually suggests.
As for Poroshenko and Yatseniuk, having specifically nationalized two foreigners in order to mold the government to the model the western parties prefer, I think the puppet status is clear. I agree with you 100% there.
The principal objective of Gladio B is projecting U.S. power in the former Soviet sphere of influence. Check out Sibel Edmonds
No. The principal objective of Gladio B is to protect populations from totalitarian governments.
The revelations of Sibel Edmonds are not related to the OBJECTIVES of Gladio B.
A country govt is corrupt so US has the right to overthrow that govt . yeah no doubt why such inept dumbfucks like you stroll around msm to sway public opinions . WHy don't you try such maidan in bigest corrupted land of freedom ?
What do oyu think has US coup changed Ukraine ? Yes it made it intoa bunghole forever . pull your head out of your ass.
We all are tired of watching you embarrass yourself. Thank you.Your powers of visual interpretation are seriously wanting.
"Fuck EU" ... is all you need to know.
But in the end it doesn't matter as the sheeple never ever have learned anything. Neither from the past nor from the present.
Dumb and ignorant sheeple played like a synphonie orchestera by the corrupt criminals and parasites.
Dumb and ignorant sheeple just food for the Sharks, crocodiles and Gorillas.
They deserve it - as they let it happen.
Since Stonage.
Did it occur to you that a re-armed europe in the form of an EU Army isn't going to be all rainbows and roses? Did it occur to you that such an Army was going to find something to do? That the 'something' wasn't going to result in a non-military future for Europe...including Russia? That maybe that particular plan needed to be fucked?
I am not saying that is the case.
I am saying that quick conclusions lead to bad outcomes.
Another great BBC story that could very well get them into trouble with the BBG!
But we know from experience they always back down!
Here is my general rule of thumb w FEW exceptions: if an event is on WorldstarHipHop.com the narrative is true, but if event is broadcasted on MSM the narrative is controlled...
Gene Rosen
Great. Now write a book and make a propaganda movie.
Saturday night fever coming up this week end in Donbass.
The Jets and the Sharks on the prowl.
"Maria, Maria...I just met a girl called Maria..."
No need to write a book : Romeo and Juliette and West Side Story...
I like the fact that Sergei paints both the Police AND Parubiis' people as lying and corrupt. It has more of a ring of truth.
When someone tells the story that one side is all white hats and nobility, and the other side is all bad guys of one sort or another... that's easy to dismiss.
Reality never looks like that. The black-hat, white-hat story is a mult-film for children.
At your next white house press conference: Umm yeah, we killed some Folks. But the economy is just awesome and we have created more jobs this year than in past 5 years!!
Hmmmm.... I think it should be "we put higher numbers on jobs data than previous 5 years."
its all mafia war, and it will start spreading, there are many civil wars coming in europe
This excerpt of a memo was passed on to journalists in my old newspaper (News LTD) a couple of days ago.
>Pro-Russian separatists are to be referred to as Russian-backed rebels<
Many (journalists) are unhappy about being dictated to in this manner and protested about the lack of evidence for this assumption, but financial security wins over conscience any day. As you can see in this story some have chosen to ignore the directive and add Russian-backed Ukrainian Soldiers, and many refuse to put their names to blatant propaganda.
Makes me happy to be retired – I doubt I could sell my soul over this debacle.
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/despite-peace-talks-ukraine-teeters-...
Just because they ARE certainly Russian backed rebels certainly has nothing to do with it?
cart00ner, are you also unhappy with the mention of Islamist Terrorists?
Whether they are Russian backed or not I think they should be refered to as the E. Ukraine Self Defense Forces. They are under attack from the NATO/CIA/NeoNazi's in Kiev. Who else is going to have their back?
It only took the BBC a year or so to "filter" us a story.
mmmm....thanks
Yep - the BBC ain't known as the British Bullsh!t Corporation for nothing.
With the exception of Hillary...
- has there ever been a more vicious, despicable lying, rat-bag zio-hag than USSA Asst Sec Of False-Flags Nudelman?
I don't know what the fuck is so confusing about it. Look back at the Syrian Arab spring in 2011 and there were Mossad/CIA snipers being caught on camera shooting up the protestors and police. They murdered hundreds in both parties. This is their M.O. This is what they do.
It's not exactly rocket science to work out who benefitted. Who ended up in control in Ukraine? Victoria Nuland's (US State Dept) Yatsenyuk became PM, and Igor Kolomoisky (Israeli-Ukrainian Oligarch) became the governor of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, at the forefront of the conflict and responsible for the civilian massacres in Odessa and Mariupol. USA-Israel = CIA-Mossad. The exact same shit they pulled in Syria and Ukraine has been done since Operation Ajax in 1953.
A guy called Gene Sharp published a study commissioned by NATO on "Making Europe Unconquerable". His studies later became the methodology for perfecting Colour Revolutions.
From Perfecting the Method of Color Revolutions:
"Ever since the work of French sociologist Gustave Le Bon in the late nineteenth century, we know that adults behave like children when they are in the throes of collective emotion. They become susceptible, even if for just a critical fleeting moment, to the suggestions of a leader-of-men who for them embodies a father figure. In 1990, Sharp got close to Colonel Reuven Gal, then chief psychologist of the Israeli Army (he later became deputy national security adviser to Ariel Sharon and now runs operations designed to manipulate young Israeli non-Jews). Combining the discoveries of Le Bon and Sigmund Freud, Gal reached the conclusion that it was also possible to exploit the “Oedipus complex” in adolescents and steer a crowd of young people to oppose a head of state, as a symbolic father figure.
On this basis, Sharp and Gal set up training programs for young activists with the objective of organizing coups. After a few successes in Russia and the Baltics, it was in 1998 that Gene Sharp perfected the method of “color revolutions” with the overthrow of Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic."
It did not require a color revolution to overthrow Slobo. His ethnic cleansing policy was his doom. Maybe you regarded that as one of his good features.
yeah US the hyprocist has the right to punish others for their war crimes . Ironic . A new world older waning already .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu8JolUBNfg
Ladies, gentlemen... this is United States of America:
http://youtu.be/hasqFJBBAHU
P.S. Now is the time when trolls should line up their self after this comment for registry ;)
freedom123,
It is amazing that this supposedly financially oriented website continues to attract such a high percentage of the anti-semetic lovers of murderous and corrupt Arab and communist governments. The numbers surely must represent a high level of paid agents of Puutie.
You know, Augustus, freedom123 posts a link to a youtube video about a teenager who built a sub $1000 prosthetic hand, and it's a non sequitur in the context of this article but at least it wasn't the usual crap.
Then you come along with your comment about "the anti-semetic [sic] lovers of murderous and corrupt Arab and communist governments" which has absolutely nothing to do with either the article or the comment to which you are responding.
You have a history of comments expressing fear and loathing of Russia and/or its president, apparently because you have an agenda to push. So who is the paid agent?
You know what else is funny? I just couldn't let Augustus alone either. See my above at 20:34. Keep up the good work TheFourthStooge-ing.
akak says hi.
He was in town recently for a couple days and was able to spare just enough time to meet for lunch. As I expected, he's intelligent and articulate, and had some interesting stories.
I wonder if Sacrilege and the Tylers would ever consider a general amnesty for closed accounts (except for spammers, of course).
This website talks about various world events. Because it is all about money.
Wars are about money. Terrorism is about money.
The so called anti-semtism is all about money too.
It is only small minded people who try give larger meaning to simple money making events.
THe earth needs more kids like that.
Betcha he doesn't mind eating potatoes, eh 123?
We coup'd some folks.
The BBC article has been buried in their "magazine section" and not in their European headlines.
My compliments to Tyler for bringing this item to our attention. But information channeled through BBC is always suspect. They may know more than what they are telling us, or distorting what they say, to stay within "establishment" guidelines. "Sergei" does not tell us whether he was firing at police or demonstrators. Or whether he was part of an organized group.
Note this photo from within this following BBC link, RM.
Do you see any insignias, flags or identifying features on this anonymous guy's generic camo, as he guards a Russian transport column right behind him?
Russian Parliament Approves Troop Deployment in Ukraine - March 1st 2014
Pretty safe to say the Russians are up to their nutsack in Ukraine, and have been for many months. Here is the purported 'rebel' army, you're looking at it. That is why the are taking ground. The incredible cheek of Putin to assert that Western powers pouring heavy weapons in to defend Ukraine would be a catastrophe.
In the end Occam's Razor (most of the conspiracy clowns in this place wouldn't even know what that is) is a far better guide to events, than any contrived needlessly elaborate conspiracy theory, or anecdotal hearsay.
From any 'source'.
Nutsack Eastern ukraine republics held a referendum and decide to separate from ukraine . Meanwhile that putsch regime was in no order to authorize any legal action because they were installed forcefully ..Your powers of visual interpretation are seriously wanting. No worries though. The world also needs idiots and morons.
Just a quick note regarding the parliament resolution of March 1, 2014. It was rescinded in June 2014.
http://rt.com/news/168092-putin-revoke-military-ukraine/
BTW, I hope you're enjoying summer down there. I looked out the window a few minutes ago and the combination of snow and wind had reduced visibility to maybe 6 meters.
HEY MAN, YOU'RE NO CHRIS KYLE!
I don't understand..we already followed the money and know who gave it.
Follow the DNA to the beginning on the cookies, yeast rolls and glazed donuts and we have an airtight case.
nuff said.
The same US slimeballs are still trying to do a Color Revolution in Argentina. For a report in real time see: Cynthia Rush' piece in Executive Intelligence Review: http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2015/4207nisman_brit_v_arg_pres.html
good article.thanx for link..I will share...the entire Bric Bloc has been under assault, the elites including Soros have gobbled up vast tracts of resources rich lands They want to make sure they get a piece of the Bric Action, if they cannot destroy them. Fernandez getting Russian Jets would have been incentive enough. The wiki leaks tell us the machinations even then.
Soros has immense political power, and he is not a natural-born citizen.
He is only the lightining rod for attack. There are others who need to be neutralized.
ZBC.
very hard to shoot long range with open sites........
You guys are dreaming if you believe a guy can hit a beer can at 300 yards with open sights......
Just not the way it works, unless you have bionic eyeballs..............
Try it someday......
it all depends on training and practice. sight alignment - sight picture -- natural point of aim and natural breathing pause. I shot expert every year in the USMC, which goes out to 500 yards with open sights.
all that being said, it is very difficult to hit a moving target that small at 300 yards with open sights. You would need to achieve the aforementioned conditions and wait for a target to pause in your kill zone to consistently pull that shot off.
i don't shoot open sights anymore, but i can easily hold a 2 inch pattern at 300 yards. I am good, but i am not a sniper ... they are much better than I.
So what is the percentage of the population that have the natural talent and the training to pull this off??? With a gun he has just fired for the first time... supposedly the individual has some Ukraine military training...... possible yes, probable not very likely...
Exactly Tyler. Let's read an alleged self-confessed armed combatant sniper discussing his anonymous insurgent activities, within a civilian protest movement, about who's to blame for starting the shooting. Riiiiiiight!
Love how he claimed defacto innocent good-guy status (not really "some kind of hero" ROFL!) when using a high-powered sniper rifle to not shoot-to-kill. No one knows what kicked it off and none of these stories help.
What detailed accident investigations have repeatedly shown is that every observer of the same events has a different take on those events, which often wildly diverge from what others observed in key details, and often even contains entirely imagined memories from people who did not realize they had imagined what they 'recalled'. The further in time you get from accident events, the more inaccurate and imaginary the accounts became.
So why would this situation be any different given such inaccurate accident accounts are actually trying to recount, truthfully and accurately, the known observed events? Whereas this guy has substantial motives and interests in making shit up.
Safer to assume all sides are inconsolable liars, and go from there.
Hmmmm I think we can call this a classic cluster fuck.
Here is a news item for you that will make you go hmmm:
Saakashvili, ex-president of Georgia was appointed special advisor on reform to the government of Ukraine. So here you have a guy that rose to political power after another of one of those colour revolutions. He just like Ukraine made the big mistake of thinking that NATO would come to the rescue with guns blazing when they had their episode with Russia. This guy is now wanted by Georgia because of abuse of power.
It google translated it for you:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie...
In Ukraine one set of corrupt elite got replaced by another. Same as it ever was.
I read ZH years ago before I finally signed up. Now it has gone the way of BI, in fact being a sub-post of Pravda. Gone are the days of good financial blogging. Troll posts and unsubstantiated rumors. Where to read next. Guess I'll just stack.
Signal to noise floor is barely worth it most of the time, the 'ickiness' factor has spiked off-scale, and worst of all, the humor has almost snuffed!
You have problem it turned into pravda instead of WP , NYT or several US propaganda mediums ?
No Putin-jizzbot, the hedge being the hedge would be totally fine, but the the hedge has suffered an analogue of Gresham's Law, of bad useless idiotic commentary displacing intelligent informative worthwhile commentary (have a guess which cohort you're in?).
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HistoryIt does seem we have less financial articles than a year or so ago.
That's because there is nothing new to write about..... no real traders anymore just robots, the "real" investor, not gambling junkies have long since left the building...
Or btfd morons don't visit this site...
hahahaha putin jizzpot . Your intelligent informative commentary while resorting to name calling shows who is an asinine stupid here puking on every post . Name calling is the last refuge of those who cannot logically disprove an opposing point of view. ( in this case you ) . Your facts on ukraine massacre were twisted which i corrected . Telegraphing your fear of the message is futile . I've been following zh for past 10-12 months ( a member for past 12 weeks ) but still knows more than your rabble . Your powers of visual interpretation are seriously wanting.
You Russian vermin should stay in your own HUGE largest country, and stay on your own web Russian vermin web sites. Russian degeneracy is exceeded only by the islamic cult worshipers. You Russian trash have never done anything useful or beneficial for any people, and you have lied and cheated on every agreement and treaty. Russians are human garbage.
When wanting for a bigot, a racist etc, call for an 'american'. You'll get the best humanity has to offer in this department.
Thanks for letting us know upfront that this came from the bbc which now under the full control of the tribe is as reliable as crack whore at her little sisters wedding.
"Great story, Niles, but you must first have it approved by Mr Goldstein."
The BBC is a home for pedal files
Some Russian mood:
https://vimeo.com/119138613
hehe.
#False Flag Attacks
Shocking List Of Official Proven False Flag Attacks
http://homment.com/falseflag4
Does not include Putin's use of the KGB to plant bombs in Russian apartment buildings so that he could blame the Chenyans and start a war there to revive his troubled regime - Russian people ALWAYS fall for this trick and rally around the motherland, Kremlin and whoever is in it.
More fantasy, more empty talking.
more useful idiocy fromm a STOOGE, literally
US/NATO pushes for war by enciculing Russia:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9Hd5OUCEAAvdQm.jpg:large
Getting involved in Ukraine would provide NATO with raison d'être and justify its existence and billions of dollars spent on military defense.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) desperately wants to get involved in the Ukrainian conflict, French newspaper Le Point reports.
© AFP 2015/ SERGEI SUPINSKY Making Ukraine a NATO Member Almost Puts US at War With Russia - McCaulAfter the fall of Berlin Wall and dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, NATO found itself obsolete, as an imminent threat of communism in Europe was gone.
The large bureaucratic machine, which NATO has become, needs the enemy – perceived or real – to justify its existence and billions of dollars of military spending. This is why Ukraine has become such an important gimmick for NATO. If the alliance manages to get involved in Ukraine and have a military confrontation with Russia, NATO will get back in action and subsequently more funds will flow into the organization’s budget.
“NATO leaders regularly “wave a red flag" [in front of Russia], sticking out their chest and throwing inflammatory comments. They would have done a big favor to the world, if they kept quiet.” – said Pierre Beylau, a columnist of Le Point.
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150214/1018271166.html
O/T, but I have noticed here since the execution of the Cyber EO, many sites have slowed down.
My machine? Or has anyone else noted this?
It primarily slows down on non-official news sites........
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I have not vetted this source, but it is interesting...
http://yournewswire.com/russia-are-conducting-largest-ever-nuclear-drill...
I honestly think if the west launched nukes, there would be no concern for the Americans who will die.
Chalky, the Club, will be in bunkers.
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Also, a bit O/T, the illegals will now qualify for 9,000$ in cash + the right to Vote + Healthcare.
Meanwhile, US Citizens suffer continued financial destruction.
It matters not to the Banksters if Chalky establishes a Soviet.
In fact, it increases their profit!
I call bullshit. Ol' Serg sounds like he's played too many video games with his statement - "Of course, I could have hit them in the arm or anywhere. But I didn't shoot to kill."
That's what a wannabe would say and it ain't that easy.
This article is too long.
Just another Russian propaganda piece to distract attention from their land grab in Ukraine.
Russians who have invaded neighboring countries, refuse to integrate, and insist on remaining Russian in language, law, loyalty, etc must either return to Russia or be killed.
Your powers of visual interpretation are seriously wanting. No worries though. The world also needs idiots and morons. keep it up .
The soviets invented the term "useful idiot", which applies perfectly to you.
Ummmm. Quite a lot of fantasy.
LiveLeak.com
Ross Kemp Extreme World. Ukraine
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98d_1423931054
I don't trust the BBC, but as an example of mainstream media coverage, this story tells a lot by what is allowed to be revealed. Now one of the "big boys" is saying maybe there is more to the Ukraine story and Maidan massacre than we previously thought. Of course BBC is way behind the curve on this, but they are finally publishing another side to the story.
I expect USA media will be way behind BBC, but they will finally say gosh, who knew? Probably in about 5 years.
German TV WDR has investigated the shooting in arpril 2014.
The Maidan shot at their own people to blame Viktor Yanukovych and overthrow his government
http://www1.wdr.de/daserste/monitor/sendungen/maidan118.html
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/maidan-schuesse102.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEruxwOez4U