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Ron Paul: Ukraine Coup Planned By Nato And EU
As Ron Paul recently exclaimed, the war propagandists are very active and are winning over the support of many unsuspecting American citizens. So we thought the followingg 90 seconds of 'pure Paul' would provide a refreshingly different perspective as he explains, "I'm not pro-Russia, I'm not pro-Putin, I'm pro-facts."
"The Ukraine coup was planned by NATO and EU... The best thing we can do for Ukraine is get the foreigners out."
As Ron Paul previously concluded:
Our government has no more credibility in telling us the truth about the facts that require us to expand our military presence in this region than Brian Williams.
Constant war propaganda has proven too often to be our nemesis in supporting constant war promoted by the neoconservatives and the military industrial complex.
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The only way that Congress can be persuaded to back off with our dangerous interventionism, whether it’s in the Middle East or Ukraine, is for the American people to speak out clearly in opposition.
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Can I recomend you read this?
http://twoicefloes.com/your-turn/didje-magic/
Take note about the part where people get speared for doing the wrong things.
There's a hardness to life's realities and we have been getting by on excesses for a long time. I have always expected it to come to this, it's amazing we've lasted this long without the next big spank.
I have zero excuse for the abortive spelling monstrosity. I have no idea how that thing got past a basic proof read! Except I've been at this keyboard for far too long. Sorry to be a let-down VG, I never came with a warranty so now that I'm clearly broken I guess it's off to the tip. :D
While you're rummaging around down the tip , why don't you see if you can find the Constitution ; I'm sure that it is there somewhere.
Do you need me to tell you what it looks like?
Maybe you can ask the 'average Joe" ; they seem to recall it.
Element,
Yes, but in Ukraine, things are going Putin's way, not yours.
He will play his long game and he will prevail.
It could mean the end of your beloved NATO, which will have no viable purpose if it cannot dragoon Ukraine into its ranks so as to encircle and ultimately destroy Russia.
It could also mean the end of the the EU, but that appears to be coming apart at the seams anyway.
You say Europe is dead keen on having the US remain in Europe. That's true of the elite -- largely because Paris and Berlin are terrified of the vacuum that would be created by US withdrawal. Paris knows Germany would have the whip hand; Germany is afraid of being alone at the top.
Nevertheless, our murderous and immoral Ukraine policy is earning us lots of new enemies among European populations. We are playing with fire. Not sure if we don't know that, or just don't care.
I am not taking a side.
I am totally non-partisan.
I am pointing out what is going to happen.
Not what people want to happen.
I am pointing it out to >>95% partisans.
You are one of them.
Partisans usually do not like how things will develop to be stated plainly, as it often goes against the way they want things to develop.
So partisans then shoot the messenger, rather than take the warning, on its face value.
Element, I happen to agree with you though it does bother me personally. Sometimes hard facts are unpleasant to truly face and hopes of alternative choices are seductive though not likely relevant in these games of power.
My only grief is this is being played with a participant that is rotting from within. Given up its manufacturing base. Economically in the crapper and showering many with money just to live day to day. An aging sick population. We see this farce play out everyday. We are being drained dry internally and will soon be unable to fill this role losing our strong foundation. And when it ends, another will assume the role as it always has been throughout history. Can you blame us for wanting an end to this?
As a small player in this, one who will be likely swept away when the power shifts, I can only watch it unfold. And this gives me no pleasure to admit such a thing.
Miffed
It's ugly, strategic choices are always ugly because they are always about national survival, or non survival. It's going to get much uglier before it gets better. You think I feel any happier about that than you? I'm not. But I've been as good as dead before, when I was 6, for several minutes, and came back to life. I lost all fear of dieing when that happened. I learned dying is really easy and it's only the all consuming total panic just before you do, that's absolutely horrible. It's pure fear and panic. But it passes, just stops when you give up, and then its easy, incredibly pleasant and peaceful even, you just totally give up because you can't do anything any more to survive, and then you just TOTALLY relax, in every possible way, and it feels like a fantastic relief to just stop trying to live any longer.
So compared to most people I'm a bit a-typically adjusted. I don't have that fear and I can't even feel it as it just isn't there anymore. I like that, a lot! Fearless is normal, I easily do things others just won't.
But I know people that haven't been through it are horrified and I almost can't clearly remember how bad that feeling of total panic was for me, as well. So I face this situation easily. I don't want it to happen, but it is, and it just doesn't affect me in the way it affects others. But I'm not happy about it, it just seems really dumb, and if I think about it for a moment I'll laugh at how dumb it is. There isn't any fear of it, it's just unspeakably silly to go in this direction we are, and die for such silly reasons.
So I say where we're going bluntly, because I can face it easily.
You obviously don't have children.
You fear what will come but it comes anyway. Are you going to fend-off dieing of old age to protect your children? You don't have control, you've never had control. Your next breath is a sweet gift, enjoy it because one day the next breath suddenly won't be coming, maybe you'll have time to go through the whole thing and you'll see for yourself. Don't worry, the end is much better than you're currently expecting it to be.
I have a daughter.
Element,
I do understand you. I have faced death as well and have fortunately survived. Those near me were caught unaware and died. I could not help them. Everyday of my life I watch people die. I see the suffering of themselves and their families. I had a woman once claw me, digging her nails into my flesh crying for me to help her not to die. I saw the desperation and fear in her eyes. I cannot help them. The homeless that walk the streets where I work beg me for food and money. Their stories are tragic. They shake with DTs as I hand them a morsel of my lunch. I cannot help them.
I can't help anyone. I have no answers. I don't know why I have what I have in my life when others have so much less. But, what I do have is profound gratitude and thankfulness, and a strong sense my life is tenuous and living in this moment now is truly all I ever will have.
I do not fear death. Death is simple. Life is often more frightening. I always laugh at people who fear change saying how difficult it is. Change is easy, it is the resistance to change that is difficult. Once accepted, change comes without effort. Change, like death, is the dynamic part of our life that is uncontrollable. Until we can free ourselves from the need to have this control, we will never escape illusion and forever remain in fear and unhappiness.
Thanks element for your comments. I truly appreciate what you are saying. A little discomfort is always a good thing to me ;-)
Miffed
miffed & element, i too have come back from death, and yes it has also freed me. miffed, your observations on resistance are spot on as well. element, i respect what you are saying through this thread and several others over the past weeks. you have jarred many my sloppy assumptions. like others i am in your debt, i have learned much from you on the fukus threads...and your insights now on this are welcome. i found ZH because i craved opposing arguments. you invariably examine the seemingly obvious relentlessly and without prejudice. thank you, both.
"i too have come back from death"
No you have not, by definition. :-)
Mrs.M, if you examine his post it's quite easy to see that he is suffering from a condition called, "Fatalism".
"Fatalism is a philosophical doctrine stressing the subjugation of all events or actions to fate. Fatalism generally refers to any of the following ideas: The view that we are powerless to do anything other than what we actually do."
His argument that the convolutions of geopolitics are a natural result of survival and therefore beyond the scope of our control or wishful thinking is both wrong and indifferent to the real crimes being committed in our name. We know who is involved in supporting the neo-nazis and zionists in Ukraine: Victoria Nuland of the US State Dept. We know thousands of innocent people have died as a result. We know wholesale looting is taking place by the Israeli oligarchs. We know, from their own words, from the mouth of the current Ukrainian Prime Minister that those who oppose the coup are being threatened with being burnt alive - in fact many Russian language speaking Ukrainians in Odessa and Mariupol have actually been murdered in this way. What else could they do but fight against the nutjobs in Kiev and ask for help from Russia? Be burnt alive or become refugees? Yet to brush all this aside with glib remarks about geopolitics and national survival with quite insane philosophies on death lacking in any depth of analysis or empathy for the victims of these horrendous crimes is, I think, quite revolting. Yes, control of our fate is an illusion, but we are also the cumulative sum of all of our decisions.
So, Mrs.M, you keep your compassion alive. Your empathy and reason do you credit in a world full of cold sociopaths. Without such sweet and bitter experiences to guide our moral values in life, life would be very dull and useless indeed.
Thank you for this. I must say I am struggling with the varied concepts being bantered about, finding an adequate analysis.
I'm not sure if this is simply fatalism. Fatalistic people do not politically posture or chess play with people's lives. This is active whereas accepting powerlessness is a passive state. If you equate just acting in the norm as fatalistic, I must say I am guilty of being so as well. This seems to be more like a lack of innovation or acceptance of alternative approaches based on comfort that ones way is always the best because order and stability have resulted. The assumption is, if not applied, chaos and anarchy would follow.
I cannot speak to the truth of this or not. Element's theory may be valid and he may only be looking at a broad view realizing that many will die and suffer for the good of the majority. This is difficult for me and why I can never be a general. Compassion has no place on the battle field.
My only experience of this where I can relate t some of what Element is saying is working two terrible traumas with multiple victims. I saw triage as any active military man saw on the battlefield. The dead were toe tagged in black so you could skip over them. Blue was not going to survive and left to die. Green was treatable and focus your energy here. It was simply using your resources wisely. The humanity was lost and impartial rationality took its place. I do not remember this without great pain but I did my job.
I have a close Russian friend that has lived in the Ukraine. She has told me for years what happening in Russian. Political dissidents being taken in the middle of the night and tortured to death. Atrocities unspeakable. She claims Putin is a Stalin and the west is oblivious. The more I read here, I am convinced she is right. I fear my country at some pointwill become this as well. No one will be safe.
YHC, thank you for your kind words . I truly do appreciate them. I will be compassionate because that is who I am and what I will always be. However, the world has grown so cold it is a daily struggle just to live and not be consumed by the misery.
Miffed
Mrs.M. Thank you for your insights. That is certainly new information particularly about Putin and one I'll keep in mind for future reference. I made no attempts to hide the fact that on the current issues of geopolitics I'm on Russia's side (To my dismay) but it is nice to be reminded of the folly of lending support to statists of all kinds.
We both know that in order to conclude a body of work satisfactorily, research must be evidence-led. And from what I have seen and heard, I have come to a different conclusion about Putin and his restrained reactions to the constant provocations by our governments but I'll be wary nevertheless.
You're very welcome and all the best.
Dear YHC, As a fellow compassionate contemplativist, I hope we both share reticence when coming to final judgement on this matter. There is so much I am afraid that is hidden from view we cannot conclusively make a correct choice. Especially when confronted with the likely fact evil reigns supreme on both sides.
I do weigh heavily on my friend's assessment knowing her to be honest and forthright but she is just one person, one perception in a war with millions of faces. May we look to each other for help in this matter if ever possible.
I do think if we peal away the emotion and the harshness of what Element has said, there is some wisdom and validity to his points. This doesn't mean I necessarily agree with them but I must say if there ever came a time when my county was faced with a full conventional or nuclear hot war and the choice for leadership was Miffed or Element, I would quickly stand aside.
Miffed
Gibberish, misrepresentation. People act continually to alter strategic outcomes for survival, it's what the whole of geopolitics arises from. The reason why I survived the event that occurred to me is because something very improbable occurred that caused my body to automatically react to a faint remaining possibility to get one more breath. And it actually and just barely worked.
So how does that make me fatalistic when I acted to survive? Do I really strike you as a person without remit to continuous action? Do you suppose I exist in a vegetative swoon? In fact my action is more daring and resolute than anyone I know, the result is thoroughly liberating and enabling. Hardly consistent with your diagnostic book model, is it?
You're writing on the basis of assumptions and gross misrepresentation. Do my plain words and recounting of physical experience threaten you so much as to render you insecure and reactive, to the extent you feel compelled to grossly misrepresent and seek to classify it, to dismiss? Therefore to put it aside more easily, and sooner, and not be troubled by reverberant unwelcome thoughts arising about it really happening, not to me, but to you?
The bi-line of zero hedge says what?
That's an unarguable physical fact, that zero hedge's founder(s) apparently accept to be self-evidently true and significant in providing such things as perspective. So will you also brand that recognition of physical fact and its implications as Tyler suffering from psychological 'fatalism'?
Go ahead, give him a philosophical and psychological tune-up. It will be about as effective as you are when you can't draw another breath. The day approaches, you won't escape it via denials and misrepresentations, those are the psychological tools of the shallow fantasy you wish would continue, and actually be true, not a fancy.
Though I can understand that the fact, not concept, fills you with horror and elicits this auto-rejection impulse that you're set in motion here, to resist that, with an ineffectual verbal retort that neither builds back the fancy, or alters the fact.
Good luck with that.
And there it is, the horror has elicited your response to a fact, which you can't escape of deal with adequately, so feel irresistibly compelled to find some way to dismiss it and 'cast out the daemon'.
No, it can't be dismissed, and I'm sorry but its reality is not empathetic, it won't bargain with you or acknowledge your asserted independent validity. There is no recognition of you more than recognition of the validity of an angular fresh rock weathering to grains of dispersed sand.
And they change your physical final state, not one jot. They change the 'survival' pathway which leads to the final state. I have some bad news for you so brace yourself ... ready?
Survival invariably leads to you stopping - a big merciful, compassionate STOP.
Feel free to gather your internal panic to vent it into remonstrations of great erudition, directed at that fact and why it has no right to be. I'm sure it will be mightily impressed and persuaded by your eloquent categorical content and passion.
But if you want empathy to salve your internal panic state, I can lie to you and tell you that you'll be fine, you have nothing to worry about, I am mistaken on all accounts and recant all.
You think me a most heartless bastard, because I can face it, amicably, but you can not. It is unthinkable for you. This it the modern reality that humanity constantly flees, because it (rightly) makes the veneer of fantasy impossible to sustain. And you soooo much want to maintain it, so the fact is a terrible threat to that former mental imperative.
And I commiserate with your plight, but it still has mercy on you, when you least expect it.
And you will see this yourself, what mercy is and how it feels, believe me when it comes you will wonder what all the fuss was about. ;-)
ah, the coup-de-grâce, imply your target is sociopathic, damaged, incapacitated, dehumanize them, make them seem immoral. Yes, that is to be expected. Categorization helps you partially side-step and process it away to gain some relief from the elicited fear response. It is a conventional coping mechanism, that fails to be adequate or satisfactory.
Did you expect me to let you get away with that avoidance? Nice try, you did give it your best, and I can appreciate the pickle you find yourself confronted with that needles your mind, and probably has done for a very long time. That inner panic is a terrible thing, and the more you struggle, the more terrible it is. So I sincerely hope you calm yourself and reflect, rather than escalate the panic.
"Be still" ... it is excellent advice, and it isn't meant physically, but much easier said then done.
That stillness is the source of the impossible unthinkable amicability I possess, and you do not. So I would recommend you consider that avenue as an actual adequate pathway to relief than the inadequate mechanism of category and an ultimately unsatisfactory denial. You are simply too smart for that to work for even if you try to deny it and set it aside, your mind will not, and will continue to needle you.
Be still, cruel to be kind is how this works and I'm being kind to you though the panic feels brutal.
All the best friend.
Element, you spent considerable effort on a reply so I reckon I ought to reply in kind.
Can you not understand that your post invites comments about fatalism? I would urge you to read your own words and reflect on them in the third person. Facing death amicably (As you say) and making glib statements that is tantamount to, "oh well, there's nothing you can do about wars and suffering" by way of excusing the worst excesses of the instigators as mere survivial instincts are not the same. No matter how small, individuals can make a difference and have done throughout history. Just as we are the cumulative sum of all of our decisions, the cumulative decisions of individuals are what drives nations and can, just as we saw in the UK parliament on military action in Syria on the 29th August 2013, stop war dead in its tracks.
I'm sorry if you believe that I'm getting hysterical over the onset of WWIII on the horizon and emoting about the terrible suffering that armed conflicts bring to ordinary people, but to me DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION. That is not the same as being in denial of the inevitability of death. If you are comfortable with doing nothing, amicable with your own death, the deaths of others, and encouraging others towards the same soporific apathy that you exhibit, you can bloody well expect anyone to disgnose you as a fatalist. A lazy one. :).
I think you are being too forgiving of those who play the big game of geopolitics. You allude they are derivations of survival instincts, and you would certainly be right in Russia's case: Having its borders surrounded by US military bases and inflamed in war is an existential threat to them. But in America's case, starting wars to feed its MIC is not a survival issue - it is an issue of revenue streams. The American wars are driven by money and power, which like greed and avarice are not survival traits, but the antithesis of them because the more money you print to steal assets abroad and the more power you seek, the poorer you become and less freedom you enjoy. These sins are Pyrrhic victories.
I am of course projecting my own values on you and expecting you, as a fellow intelligent being, to be as concerned about where all this is leading us. To be as upset as me about the sheer disgusting criminality of those in power. Perhaps it is wrong to impose my values on you, I admit that, but I do it because I recognize in your writing someone who is trying to do right, trying to be rational and it frustrates me because you have so much potential to drive the narrative for peace and yet advocate being a spectator to the most insane and abhorrent activity known to man: War.
All the best to you mate.
I'm doing nothing? well, OK, if you say so.
I'm as amicable about death as I am about birth. What do you want, hysterics, rending of garments, a pantomime? :D
7 billion alive people covert to 7 billion dead people.
What do propose I do about that?
Yes, you project apathy, were there is none. There is disgust at the stupidity of the masses, the realization that doesn't change, even if you add 20 years of internet. Has the internet made it go away? One look at zh comments and I think it got a whole lot worse.
You seem to have a burning ideal of what should be. I recognize most smart people have that and the other people just don't want to know about it. That is not apathy, that is just recognition of the futility of imposed ideals.
Now your suggestion I'm recommending people be a fatalist, is really out of line, you have the bull by the tit completely there, I said nothing resembling that anywhere. If a person calls me a 'fatalist', that's them looking for a label - for them - it isn't me, and it isn't for me, it's your label for your mind - in your mind. How does that attach to me? :D
This is what you're doing there.
I have been called every name and term under the sun, and every possible variation on a theme, and from every direction. I get everything thrown at me because I TAKE ALL SIDES. And that confuses people, it disturbs them, they never know where I stand, so I can get pasted with EVERY possible contradicting label.
I take all sides because I firmly accept that every 'side' is wrong.
I'm not putting you on, I could write a book about why, but I won't bore you further. So you may think of me as a fatalist as I have been called about 50 mutually contradictory labels this week, I expect similar next week. :-D
As time goes on I can more and more clearly see that every side is spreading nonsense into the world, and the NET effect is polarizing hate.
It is getting worse.
It may be a terminal process even, I don't know. I do all I can to disrupt that polarizing process which creates that hate and division. You can call me a lazy if you see it that way.
World peace would be great but failing that, I'll settle for local peace.
I can't make peace in the ME, or Eastern Europe, it's their responsibility to live peaceably, to act sanely, it's their job to make that happen. They can't do it with a head full of propaganda. They can't think straight. Most of them can't even think straight with a clear head. The dividers who make the devisive muck, don't want them to think straight, at all. They want them to think one way or the other.
And most of the silly stuff made and written, that divides people, was mostly made as raw click bait by some wretched blogger stirring-up paranoid and fearful people.
It's incredibly insidious and damaging.
And these people don't seem to want to live in peace. They really don't. All I can do is point out how stupid all sides are and how dumb it is to be partisan, and how destructive it is and has become to all communication, to all interactions, to all living, and to all continuing to live.
Am I so wicked and wonton for that? Condemn me if you must, I'm OK with it.
cya YHC, your derivatives comment was a good read, keep it up. ;-)
Thank you. Lots of food thought. You're absolutely right about polarized debate and the dividers. It is incredibly insidious and damaging. Whether I am adding to the polarisation by being partisan is indeed a very cogent observation, one I have considered often. I think I am voicing my dissent against those who commit criminal acts - against those who incite hate, encourage division, foment war. I cite evidence of their acts to rationalise my opposition and displeasure. But am I adding to the division as a result? All I can say is that I have been consistently anti-war no matter who does it and allow my views to stand on its own merits or failures.
"I take all sides because I firmly accept that every 'side' is wrong."
This is where I was perhaps mistaken. A little cynical about it, but I'll take your word and look forward to more balanced posts from you.
I remember a friend of mine remarked what an idiot I was for giving my pocket money to the occasional beggar we passed on the streets of London. The obvious cliches came from his mouth about beggars and why they don't deserve my stupid charity. The thing is, half of me agreed, while the other half would not allow me to pass by without a twinge of heartbreak. Its been that way with me since I was a child, perhaps stronger now that I've experienced some of the pains that life can bring. That's why I cannot simply stay silent or do nothing while the psychopaths (another label, but an accurate one of the govt) bang their drums for war, beggar the productive citizens, and force our kids into cannon fodder for nothing but profits and power for a few nutjobs. No, I wouldn't blame anyone for calling me an idiot for having a conscience.
Cya Element. Look forward to your comments too. :)
We are very similar actually, you and I, on that level. I am just more hard-edged now, but I tried your way too, being a bit partisan, supporting the 'best guy' from the group, that seemed least worse.I supported a bit of division that seems the least worse but most likely to occur.
It doesn't work. Now I won't even vote. No point, you're just selecting a fav divider, and the policies, laws, operating practices, failure to enforce, or else overly zealous inconsistent application, state oppression and especially state exploitation, after they have sold you, the electorate, off to bankers ... you know what happens.
I can't support any of that. It's all wrong, picking the best of the bad, election after election, is not a survivable path (and strategy is all about survival).
Sometimes the best way to achieve balance is counter balance, so don't look for too much balance from me. Get a scale, big weight on one end. How do you counter balance it to create an actual balance? You have to hit it with a big weight on the other side. So I'm probably never going to seem 'balanced' to you, even when the objective is the same as yours.
Does it work? Doing nothing sure doesn't. The division situation keeps becoming more stupid and self-defeating. If in the market, and you don't do what everyone else does, you make your own moves, based on your own thinking, what happens? You can lose, sure, but you can also win massively. But if you don't act on your own thinking, you are the GS dumb-money muppet, and you are assured to lose, "... aaaaannnd ... it's gone!", etc.
A survival win is not assured, it has to be fought for.
Maybe we understand each other a bit better. You are one of the best guys in here. I mean that, I've always thought so. So don't think you aren't appreciated, and maybe I showed you something, but just continue following your own thinking and acting.
Thanks for the chat.
Dear Element and YHC, Much thanks to both of you.
Element, my suspicions were correct about you and your last two posts have opened a window to your motivations. I think I see you more clearly now. Fatalistic is simply not correct. In fact, if I were to hazard a guess at a label underneath the lash, it would be at the core full of compassion and caring.
People are often trapped by outward appearances/ words and make judgements and assumptions to catagorize. As I said before, this is based in safety. I have tried so hard in my interactions to see beneath the projected image and to see the man behind the curtain, getting to the core of the motivation. Difficult in a world caught up in superficialities and being reactive vs thoughtful.
The polarization of all things today is ultimately the path to our own detriment. This is the antithesis of survival. Divide and conquer. This path can lead only to death, and one as the lamb led to slaughter, passive, ignorant and impotent. The other choice you offer could lead to death as well but it has the possibly of a better outcome because those behind the scenes are revealed as to who they are. Manipulators of the Masses. Understanding this gives us a fighting chance vs focusing on what they want us to see.
I will say Element your hard edge approach now does cause in me some disquiet. More and more I have had interactions with friends in the military and I do note this in several as well. My hackles are up and fear we may be going into a very dark time ahead, a path inescapable. But that does make me seem irrationally fatalistic and therefore I must regain my balance, ever beating back my female monkey brain into submission. Most annoying but I have been told it is occasionally entertaining.
In friendship and respect,
Miffed
Don't feel you have to follow my contrary rantings into the darkness, I don't want followers, even ones who may agree on principle, I always want people to think and act their own way. Just do what you do miffed. But if darkness of mind expressed verbally and in violence is where the division is to be defused that's the place to go. I'm not interested in my reputation, I will trash that in an instant, it's worth less than nothing to me.
No worries. Hello darkness my old friend. I've come to talk with you again. I don't need to follow you there Element. This is where I live.
And as to following you? No. I can see the irony of that action. Just another polarization. Us vs them. Red vs Blue. I will have no part of that which is so prevalent today. Besides, I have never been a very good follower. It has cost me dearly but I have remained authentic to who I am which is more than many can claim.
But I do have a question as to your motivation. I see sincerity and passion but I am confused to your aim. Is this a simple random shaking of the complacent to rattle their world view? A cat toying with a mouse for amusement when the mouse has glorified it position excessively?
I can appreciate why you would do that in principle but the daunting task of awakening so many to start questioning their basic assumptions seems quite an undertaking. I can't see most willing to make such an effort unless you are seeing something that makes this vastly more important than I can understand. If so, are you willing to share this?
Miffed
"But I do have a question as to your motivation."
Does interaction have an end-point? If I set a plan in motion, will that be the end of it, if I achieved an 'end'? No, there is no end. Which is good because I have no end plan either. If you see someone fall over and move without thinking to help them up, it's a natural response. Or else you stand by, laugh and steal their wallet, which plays badly in game theory, and very badly in civilization.
The possible outcomes of doing nothing involves a really bad downturn for civilization, and I really like human civilization. If I were Richard Dawkins I could spin a meme/tale about 'selfish genes' here, but it's just my response.
People can not think clearly, almost at all, if their mind is being warped by unreal ideas. And they can't learn efficiently either, they are stymied. If I can totally destroy and even immolate some of the most idiotic of people's underlying pre-accepted false axioms, it may allow some of them to work stuff out themselves, from there on.
Their brain will be less screwed up. They will potentially make more accurate choices based on better personal analysis of situations. They won't be fooled by people and by false ideas, anywhere nearly as easily, any longer.
That seems like a good use of a digital computer to me.
"I am not taking a side.
I am totally non-partisan."
For a guy who believes he is non-partisan you sure do have a LOT to say about it for one side.
"I am pointing out what is going to happen."
For a guy who thinks he is a realist or pragmatist, you sure are delusional about being able to tell what is going to happen. Newsflash: NOBODY knows the future. Not even you.
What's wrong with you? There's nothing coherent in your "message" at all - perhaps that's why you're getting junked.
I don't 'believe it', I am totally non-partisan. I go equally at both sides, always have done. I just focus on one side for now only because that's the side that the majority of sheep are jumping toward and glibly swallowing all - hook, line and sinker.
I will always do that, count on it.
Have you noted the use of words like, "how this will play out", preceding the use of shorter and more lazy means of saying similar, like using the word "happen"? Sometimes I'm responding to more than one thread so maybe I have not prefixed remarks made in one thread with a, "how this will playout" type or earlier statement.
Yes, "happen" is a lazy way to say that, I should have used a longer form, to be clear. My remarks are put in that way for one reason. I see a flood of totally silly claims and conclusions that are not consistent with what's happening. I'm sure you see the same because I know you're very analytical. I always read your comments because they're shrewd. I would not accuse you of knowing the future. That would be totally ridiculous, as I know you don't.
So if you were rapid-fire replying to comments by irate people, and used the word "happen" in stead of playout, I would presume you were not claiming to know and expound the future. But I know you do have a keen capacity in a certain area to pick the way quite subtle situations are likely to playout - I recognize that.So I would understand your communication's intent if you said, "this is what's going to happen".
Now, do you seriously believe that I'm saying I can tell the future above?
Give me a break.
Americans shouldn't leave, but stay there and keep paying for (and subsidizing with manpower and equipment) the European "security". That would be a sure way toward self-destruction of contemporary US, which is already practically bankrupt (and not only from a moral point of view...).
lol ... angel of joy huh?
misnomer me thinks. :D
What you think is your business, and not terribly important for the rest of the world... as you can see from your ratings :D
omg! You think objective reality gives a fuck about junks too? HAHAHAHHA!
I don't care about status, reputation, popularity, or building a propaganda consensus for like-minded knobs. I will happily kick down any verbal construct I make. I would much prefer if you detest me, are deeply offended by my remarks, and that the thought of being exposed to more of them sickens you. So by all means, click on, it has no effect. The effect happens in you. enjoy! lol
It is typical for a majority of losers and misfits to nowaday play either the "misunderstood" or the "contrarian" role. In your case it seems to be the second, doubled by a serious dose of self delusion. In all truth, my good man, nobody gives a shit about you, or your ideas. The arrows are a reflection of your relevancy, as seen by those who bother reading your intelectual "productions". Deal with it !
P.S. FYI only, there is such a thing as collective intelligence (hence, the arrows thingy...)
Head's up, the arrows of the alledged 'collective intelligence' are the trace of a collective bleat. You measure your asserted intelligence as you wish, I'll giggle at the superlative comic tragedy. :D
Thanks for the laughs.
You're the one in need of "confirmation". Giggle all you want, and don't forget to look deeply in the mirror. So long sailor; I've wasted already too much time on you...
ha! What were you going to do? Patiently explain it all to me? Set me down in a re-educaton camp to teach me the truth? bullet to the nappe of neck? ROFL! ... the clowns ... make them stop! ... hahahah! :D
Fact: By definition, the majority is always right.
The scientific method was a miscarriage of history and will soon vanish form the earth again.
As I can see, you're already dealing with it. /s
Crimea held a referendum after us backed putsch regime took over illegally and decide to join back with R.F. Deal with facts ignorant .
LOL, so much for self determination. Crimea itself doesn't recognize that it is part of Ukraine right now, so the vast majority of the world, and the UN can go fuck themselves in that regard.
What you forget is two can play that game, and in an era of actual geopolitics that is exactly what takes place, over decades.
You are old enough to remember that, right?
In other words, you don't have much of a point with your facts. The only sticking point with what Crimea does is that it has a warm water port for Russia, which brings up strategic issues, but that aside, the Crimeans could decide tomorrow to rejoin Ukraine and I wouldn't give a shit. It is their lives, their business and none of ours.
Of course.
The core fact is the end-point NATO will insist on is the same one Kiev will insist on, and they will not settle for less, and they will act until it comes about.
If that is not much of a point to you, yeah well, whatever.
Through what mechanisms will they act? That warm water port means that they're going to have to do more than angry letters and coups on the bordering countries. If they act too blantantly, ICBMs will start flying.
... and? ... why are you surprised?
NATO is going to do this, and the Ukrainians are the proxies, it's their territory, the Ukrainian State will do this. They also will want revenge, their fucking navy was stolen. The people leasing a naval base stole the whole of Crimea. So what do you think they will want to do?
Take a guess, someone just stole your navy and its base in front of the whole world and installed their navy there permanently.
What's the first thing that pops into your head?
imposing your own thoughts on ukraine govt will not yield favorable outcome for ya . Stop assuming things .
Can people "impose thoughts"?
It must make you incredibly uncomfortable to glimpse that this is all going to go totally to hell, huh?
First you say:
"I am not taking a side.
I am totally non-partisan."
Then you say:
"...their fucking navy was stolen."
Sure was a lot of partisan sounding angst in that last comment but then maybe I need a new definition for the word non-partisan. Guess I also need a new definition of the word "stolen" while we're at it unless you're claiming the ballot boxes used by the Crimeans were provided by Diebold like ours.
On that ease if dying business, in case you hadn't noticed, the US is dying. Seems like there are a lot of Americans out here who wish the poor thing would just lay back, relax and let nature takes its course.
No, just driving home a point to a denier of a core fact.
Rather than trying to (mis-)construe a conclusion about an unambiguous nothing, how about you do a systematic search for an unambiguous partisan comment, because I can produce several thousand counter comments, if you try to shallowly misrepresent my statements.
Ukraine's government was functioning under a Constitution. Within the Constitution was allowances for Crimea to remain autonomous. The Ukrainian Constitution was trashed when the overthrow occurred allowing Crimea to vote for independence.
How can you argue rule of law when the existing government is outside the rule of law while Crimea is within the law ?
Good point about stealing your Navy - and the fact is there is very little that CAN be done about it. Russia took it and nothing will change that. Destroying Russia to give Crimea back to an illegitimate government will not fly - its all about price discovery. What price CAN be forced on Russia........so far very little.
What price has the US already paid
Their Constitution is operating, Constitutional elections have been held, the rebel areas didn't vote, their seats were forfeited and left empty. The overwhelming majority did vote, the Constitutionally necessary seat numbers was easily met, and they voted for who's now in power, under that same Constitution. There are no issues of legality of govt authority remaining under the Constitution. So those types of questions are completely moot at this point.
No one is going to be reversing time to change past events to make the purists happy, so people get on with prevailing facts, not useless idealist blatter.
The Russian fleet can be sunk at sea or in port. The naval base can be bombarded and completely destroyed. Why do you presume just one side can act decisively and aggressively is peculiar. There's no upper limit to how far this can go - there's just normalcy bias that prevents people from grasping that yet.
If my country stole your country's navy what do you suppose is likely to happen to my country and my fleet? It's not a trick question, the first thing that pops into your head on reading that will do. The best thing Russia can do is apologize and back away. But besides that, the damage is going to accumulate.
At the moment Russian-backed rebels are openly saying they will fire on and kill any Ukrainian soldiers trying to leave Debaltseve, regardless of the ceasefire.
and this;
Expect a very regrettable series of events to ensue.
The Constitutional argument applied to Crimea. Still does
I dont claim the US Navy cannot start a war, I claim at the end the port at Sevastopol will remain Russian.
Of course the rebels will not allow the Ukie troops to leave, its a ceasefire. The civil war is not over. They can leave as prisoners without weapons.
I have expected regrettable outcomes for many years - What I dont do is capitulate...........
Thanks for the clarification.
Fact: Crimea is the UN recognized Sovereign territory of Ukraine in law.
Fact: Yugoslavia was recognised by the UN as a sovereign country. It no longer exists.
UN is worthless except for fill pockets with US taxpayer $.
same as your opinion
Crimea seceded
Crimea is peaceful
Crimea is free
Now you're fronting.
Next thing you'll say Israel is legitimate
"... and has tried to carve off more and more .."
Really? The Russian Army has been fighting a random bunch of warmed-over nazi skinheads for almost a whole year, and can't manage to take a couple of oblasts west of the Don?
Whatchoo smokin' over dere?
There was no Ukraine prior to 1991. Contemporary Ukraine is an artificially induced state, created in a moment of maximum weekness of the Russian state. As a result, it has no future, and no amount of US propping will change the facts on the ground. Crimeea is populated by Russians in vast majority, who decided they don't want to be rulled by Kiev after the US led coup. More so, the Ukrainean "fleet" was built during USSR so it represents a Russian asset too. Your narrative is as dumb as this entire war... which will end badly for US.
Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation.
Darn Element, what happened to you?
In the past, you were so spot on about all the fuckyoushima tragedy and offered much light for many who listened intently to your truth. We are grateful for all that light.
Now, it seems as if you have been co-opted, or banned and someone else is using your handle to put out the same trash the organized criminal lame stream media propagandists are putting out for public consumption. It's ONLY regurgitation of the filthiest yukkity-muck ever.
We all miss the truth bearing Element and wonder, are you really another dis-informationist? It would be a shame and big loss to find this out, as your great intelligence is needed to combat the evil that has run rampant over the planet for centuries. Is it money or love you quest after, dear One?
Ask, would you rather have a Ron Paul for president, or the evil illegal usurping alien bushonian bankster puppet we have now? Truly, the puppet soterobama is absolutely the most vile evil and destructive worst president America has ever had.. History will reflect this fact. We may not see another righteous president ever again in America's coming to an end history. Sad to ponder that, eh!
WE WANT GOD BACK IN AMERICA NOW!
(Side-swiping truth, God is Love. Period!)
hmmm, then silence...
You are correct. All germans I spoke to said, that they should leave Russia with Crimea and the Donbass region.
You are incorrect, that Ukraine is Russia. It is not. After WWII Stalin made the deal that he could enlarge Russia to the West. So he deported the polish to what was once Germany. This artificial enlargement divides Ukraine and is a rated break point that runs through the country. So both sides have a legitimate claim.
"OK, what then?
US forces have to leave Europe ... completely, the lot."
Then the Eurasian Union (or rather a loose economic confederation) from Lisbon to Vladivostok based on Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis.
Ron was part of this lying war mongering government for many many years. Yes?
Ron voted for the Afghanistan war. Yes?
..and this changes the facts?
No, but it speaks for credibility and honor. Both which are increasingly rare these days...and non existent in the political scene.
Disclaimer:
I gave a months worth of my earnings to that politician only to watch him literally row over when the Repubs screwed him. In short,,, I paid for the right to make the statements I did and stand by them. They are facts.
See latest rant on the GW story.
Ron Paul WAS America's last chance to remain free from the horridness of the banksteronian evil that runs rampant over the land like diarrhoea running out of a goose’s arse.
Yanis Varoufakis says USA was the Creator/Designer of the EU & Eurozone. I would go father and say USA created NATO, EU, ECB, and Eurozone. Check past 1:24:00 Minutes in to questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3uNIgDmqwI
Yanis Varoufakis: Confessions of an Erratic Marxist /// 14th May 2013
Not sure if you like him or not...
He said USA steadily beat heads of France & Germany and others to get the European Union made.
Of course it did. Much easier to keep one entity under control than lots of the.
One reason the US really doesn't want the UK, or even Greece to leave it.
which leads me to believe the ultimate backstop will be the fed creating trillions sooooooooon...
just like 08.
NATO was created to force the USSR to target two widely separated entities (Europe and continental US) before the time of intercontinental ballistic missiles. This was to keep the USSR focused on Europe. In any envisioned war, Europe and USSR would be destroyed or severely weakened, strengthening the US position.
Let the man speak!! He speaks good. Some other facts ..
1. R. Paul is Rosecrucian
2. Mises was butt buddies w/ rothschilds
3. Silver is your friend, not gold
4. Any banking system based on gold at this point is no reform whatsoever
I read Human Action some years back. I don't think Mises had a favourable view of fractional reserve banking. Fractional reserve banking is the foundation upon which all power of the establishment rests and it is a Rothschild invention.
Gold, silver or even cash are all your friends in this environment. They are all vehicles with which you can severe ties to the financial sector. Any asset that is liquid and portable is a huge plus these days. Shit on gold at your own peril.
JAXVILLE,
I read Human Action some years back. I don't think Mises had a favourable view of fractional reserve banking.
While you statement is true that some physical gold or silver is good to hold for a S.H.F scenario, commodity money is seriously unscientific. Worse, it is part of an austrian dialectic designed to ensare and confuse an honest seeker.
What really matters in a money supply are: 1) Volume 2) Type 3) Channeling IN THAT ORDER.
Volume is the amount of money in flux relative to goods and services at that moment in time. Type are the various types of money in the supply. For example, our money supply today is mostly credit. That would be like a human blood stream that is all red blood cells. The economy cannot survive because money supply composition is all wrong. The same goes for a full commodity supply, it too will make the economy suffer. 3) Channeling is path that money takes. For example, if new money channels into the commons first, then everybody benefits.
Austrians will not talk about these facts. A scientific money supply has its variables controlled by law, not by some magick of metal, with imputed powers that are really hypnotic suggestion.
See faux economics here:
https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/faux-economics/
Follow the links. Especially important are the links that show money powers, mostly our Jewish Friends, as funding Austrian movment. Therefore Libertarians, who mean well, are caught in a dielectical confusion, and then hypnotized with bad thinking. I consider this diabolical and typical of money power agents trying to control mankind with subterfuge.
I repeat, Austrianism and by extension Libertariansim was brought into being by money power agents.
It doesn't matter if aliens from another universe invented Austrian theory of economics, as long as it accurately describes observable conditions and offers logical outcomes based on those observations.
It does.
Just another 'Protocols' whackjob link.
"commodity money is seriously unscientific."
Support that statement, please.
"What really matters in a money supply are: 1) Volume 2) Type 3) Channeling IN THAT ORDER."
You seem confused about the nature of money. Money is a MEANS to exchange, not the exchange itself. Money is simply the yardstick by which we measure and exchange production. The Keynes cult's central postulate is that a yardstick of discretionary and flexible size is superior to a more fixed one. The Austrians' position is that a fixed monetary yardstick is superior, and that commodity money best approximates such fixed yardstick.
It is notable that for all other fields of measurement this debate closed some centuries ago, when it was realized that a flexible yardstick corrupts all measurements, and through that corruption delays proper conclusions from being reached about natural relationships.
We don't redefine yards, meters, grams, pounds or other quantities to achieve the length, weight or other quality in the quantity we desire.
When you think of it, it is odd that the Keynsian position is that this is desireable.
There is but one thing in all of this that is perfectly clear to me. The situation is quite confusing, lying is rampant, and unnecessarily provoking the Russian Bear is about the most dangerous thing anyone could do. My preference for U.S. policy is neither isolationism nor militarism. It's diplomacy. Further, the U.S. should abandon its use of economic sanctions against the Bear for his annexation of Crimea because Putin would never leave Crimea, meaning this economic cattle prod will continue to annoy the Bear. Instead, the U.S. and NATO should be willing to trade some form of recognition of Russian presence in Crimea for ending the war in eastern Ukraine. I would also hope that Kiev and Washington would be willing to see an autonous region, perhaps more aligned with Moscow than Kiev and agreement not to place NATO troops or materiel in Ukraine. But of course, none of this is likely - everyone is lying and the trust needed for real diplomacy is nil.
Facts = Enemy of the State
File under: Fun with Math
Pro facts my ass, he's 100% shill with 9/11.
Yeah, Ron Paul is pro-facts but he doesn't name names, just a dozen countries. You're right shill all the way.
we better put on our boots as the shitgum is getting pretty deep in here . . .
I guess that the CIA Director,Stephen Harper,Victoria Wench Nuland were only in Ukraine for a nice vacation?It shows anyone with a grade 2 education how the world still works.
We couped some folks.
The problem with American progressives is that they are regressive.
since Nov 22 1963...they got wounded fatally by the neo-cons, who in those days were just plain simple Dealey Plaza con artists.
I'm not sure who I trust less the war propagandist or the anti-war propagandist.
It's true, I saw it on a blimp and an overpass!
RP gives me the impression he a form of controlled opposition, almost like a pressure release valve, giving people false hope and at same giving people false conclusions on key issues such as 9/11.
You can't take on too many issues. Paul knows 911 was an inside job. His supporters know. Someday he will go public. I don't agree with the way he handles this, just as I don't like the politics of rand paul on many issues. TPTB would have loved RP to come out as a Truther - they would have detroyed him and his credibility as the sheeple just have no idea what is really going on.
Maybe, but pulling the official 9/11 doesn't do him or anyone else any favors. Just deepens and strengthens the lies that follow.
I'm sure Ron values the lives of himself, and his family and friends.
Bingo, Blu!
Just wait until son is President.
That is, if we actually have another election.
One day at a time, folks.
That is about as fast as we can live.
LiveLeak.com
Ross Kemp Extreme World. Ukraine
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98d_1423931054
Watched it. The nazi's are taking over west ukraine. Porkoshenko better watch his back
Dmitry Yarosh, the leader of the far right Pravy Sektor group (financed by Kolomoisky) has brought together the remnants of the Nazi volunteer battalions as one entity, under his control. He has also stated that they (again) will not comply with the ceasefire. These will be the shock troops in the next stage of this saga.
Yup!
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150215/1018285443.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8542m5bsKFE
(use subtitles)
Extra credit.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voWhey1yZbE
Ross Kemp is ex-UK military. He is fully embedded. He talks about the far right coming together to prevent another Russian invasion. There has been no Russian invasion.
If countries like Czechoslovakia right in the heart of Europe split into two countries due to factional differences why not Ukraine.
This is how they do business in Ukraine parliament, whichever government is in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9c7HbeKpeM
If the US were isolationist, a lot of Dead Ukrainians would likely be alive right now.
With that said, there are plenty of intrigues to go around even the US were somehow frozen.
There are many powerful entities who have their fingers in the Ukraine. Not the least of them are the Ukrainians themselves, both Eastern and Western variety.
Neither the West's position, that everyone should account all Ukrainians both East and West to be homogenous, nor the East's position, that the East Ukraine is Russia, and the West Ukraine is an illegitimate province of Poland or LIthuania and therefore unworthy of self rule, is workable.
Both of those positions lead to dead ends. The Ukrainians are Ukrainians because they are the descendants of those who followed the Kiev 'Rus' (Russians). The Russians are those who followed the Prince of Moscow. All of Russia and part of Ukraine was conquered by the Mongols. The part not conquered are the West Ukrainians. The part conquered are the East Ukrainians...plus many soviet era Russian imports.
Russia's stake is control of the Black Sea Basin...which will cement Russia as mandatory near monopoly energy supplier to Europe. Europe's stake is to have access to non-Russian energy. The US's and NATO's stake is to prevent the re-arming of Europe by ensuring they have no REASON to re-arm.
Pick your outcome:
If Russia gets both Crimea and East Ukrainian land routes to Ukraine, then they decisively control energy to Europe. Europe's choices are then to EITHER a) Trust the US to ensure their economies and access to energy b) Ensure European access to energy themselves - militarily c) Become Russian colonies.
Russia's choices are: a) Commit Russia to militarily conquering Ukraine and then use the economic benefit of that position to arm themselves for the inevitable world war that will result b) Resign itself to open competition for energy by surrendering either East Ukraine or Crimea.
The US's choices are: a) Incrementally increase pressure on Russia via economic and/or military means until they allow Europe to have access to non-Russian energy b) Ignore Ukraine with the cost of later involvement in a world war in europe c) Ignore Ukraine and then withdraw from the transatlantic alliance.
The fact is that the US is over-extended and should not have given Putin a reason for overt involvement. The fact is that Europe is un-prepared to militarily deter Russia from turning them into energy-plantation slaves. The fact is that EUrope is too proud and powerful for Russia as currently composed to force into energy submission simultaneously detering Europe from contesting the matter militarily.
In the next 20 years there will be a major war in Europe, on the scale of WWII. Russia will be facing all of Western Europe.
Russia propaganda seems confused about the organization of Power in the West, presenting it as a US-led top-down organization. In fact it is led by powerful European interests who act through governments. This is all highly observable. What did you think the emminence of the CFR was all about? What did you think Bilderberg was for??? When the European governments were decimated after WWII those interests acted through the US government.
Europe is no longer decimated, and the shift of power from US to European entities has been historic and EASILY observable. What do you think the Eurozone and EU are all about??
There's a lot of high-time preference going on - on every side of this, as each side too heavily weights the desirability of the fruit they see before them, and overly discounts the later costs of that fruit - both Europe and Russia wanting the Ukrainian fruit for the energy power it gives them, and the US in underestimating the costs of their chosen course to placate Europe via meddling in Ukraine.
This is not going to end well for anyone in Europe no matter how it plays out. The stakes are too big for too many big powers.
The US would be better off isolationist, and preparing to re-open ellis island. A lot of war refugees will need a home soon.
China need only wait to inherit Eurasia from those who plan to foolishly decimate themselves.
Russ stopped mongols....turned back from Europe
The Don River
"In antiquity, the river was viewed as the border between Europe and Asia by some ancient Greek geographers.[1][2] In the Book of Jubilees, it is mentioned as being part of the border, beginning with its easternmost point up to its mouth, between the allotments of sons of Noah, that of Japheth to the north and that of Shem to the south."
Heh!
the analysis is way too black and white - many shades of gray - buying NG long term doesnt make someone a "slave" -US has bought gas and oil from Canada for 70 years - via a price mechanism that is fluid - so has EU from Russia
The USA out of Europe and end of NATO has huge benefits for EU - there is no upside to Atlantic Alliance for EU
Go east go east!
90% of government workers want government to take over "or think they have" and are just waiting for the people to "follow"
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You really have to petition your representatives and public servants if you want to be free, they know what their job is only most of them don't think to much about it and stare at so many tax reciepts they think its income for their "job" and dont care to much helping you to secure your family, government, rights, and property.
While he is absolutely right, and always was, I think we're WAY passed the point where talking makes ANY difference. Harm has been done for decades, very systematically, and it gets worse every day. This system is dying, the only question is, what kind of system will come after the coming metldown, and how the mayhem during the transmission phase will play out.
Even if Ron Paul is right, which I think he is, the best thing of his cause is to shut up. He will be used against his son's campaign and the Russians are now profiting from this old man, via RT and ZH. The Russians are thus short sighted too.
Ron has said multiple times that Rand is his own person and has his own opinions and objectives. Rand's chickens will come home to roost when half his base wont back him after the timing of his endorsement of Rmoney.
<--- like father
<--- not like son
<----Rand is a crypto-fascist.
<----Rand is a crypto-anarchist
So that would be a US/NATO/EU coup on a US/NATO/EU coup?
Isn't one coup normally enough for a few years? The first one lasted 12 months and obviously the backstops weren't placed carefully enough, me thinks the bribery money is running out (has run out)!
Here's Ron Paul in 2002 asking why the US was meddling with Ukrainian elections...
http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=5688
Would be nice if EKM turned up to talk about the weather on Z/H.
Like FleaDumb123 he manages to get Putin into the conversation even if it's a link regarding the BDI.
I worked in Local Government a while back when i was CHEAP and the most important individual in the Organisation was the TROLLEY LADY with the sandwiches who made her rounds at 10.30am, 12.30pm and 2.30pm.
He's probably sitting in a small cubicle at Booz Hamilton wanking off on the porn sites in between posting, the scummy snide little cunt.
A worthless piece of shit who'll be out of a job when the Defense money dries up. No doubt he'll crawl into something in security at JPM.
WTF - This is simply a cowardice approach. You slander a poster because he wrote something that rattled yur skull ? Arrogant slander like your work above, is it not fostered from your own shortcomings ?
Inquiring minds want to know - Why does a person lower themselves to typing this kind of trash ?
Tell us, WTFUD, why did you type this trash, whats the real reason ?
Why do I care ? Its like this, I enjoy honest debate. Post like yours stmies that.
Before you throw trash, answer me this - Did you capitalize defense because of muscle memory ?
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WTF
Ron and Rand keep slowly losing credibility with me. They have some good thoughts but also come out with off the wall stuff. I'm pro facts too so where are they.
Here you go:
Victoria Nuland admitting that the US spent $5B to have regime change..
http://youtu.be/U2fYcHLouXY
Off the wall? That is where anyone who does not believe that USA, EU and NATO are totally responsible for the violent mess Ukraine has become.
These Neocons are very dangerous and very powerful. The American people as a whole will say little, and this will end badly. Putin's appeasement, as evidenced with this latest deal, may buy him some time but will make it worse over the long run.
ALL NeoCONs need to be "suicided"
GOOD JOB NATO & USA DEPOSING THE RUSSIAN PUPPET GOVERNMENT !!!!!!!!!!!
use much LSD lately?
The Hegelian dialectic is the ridiculous idea that constant conflict and continual merging of opposite ideologies, as established by extreme right or left belief systems, will lead mankind into a final one world government perfection. Hegel's brilliance rests in his ability to confuse and obfuscate the true motives of the planners, and millions of people world wide have been trying to make sense of why it doesn't work for over 150 years. But like the AA definition of insanity, the world keeps trying it over and over expecting different results. Ron Paul steps outside the insane vicious circle and tries to bring us with him, for, once you step out of the mad rush you help to defang this set of demons.
USG failed post WWII/Nukes - $18T says so
I would like to see Bernie Williams drop the Presidential pre-campaign and Ron Paul come out of retirement and for them to try to galvanize the American public opinion and stop all this war crap.
Of course, the flaw in the plan is getting the average American's mind off of Kardashian butt floss. T and A trumps all till there's a mushroom cloud in the distance.
Is this for real or a psyop?
Kolomoysky: Sorry about the MH17 – but it is a trifle – ENG SUBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrfKZUttEwE
It seems remarkable if it is true.