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Copenhagen Shooting Suspect Killed By Police After Two Deaths Including One At Synagogue
Lately, and tragically, not a month can pass in Europe without some deadly, mass shooting event whose inspiration is supposedly racial hatred.
A police officer guards the street around the Noerrebro train station in #Copenhagen on February 15, 2015. #AFP pic.twitter.com/SWFDQ22tyE
— AFP Photo Department (@AFPphoto) February 15, 2015
One month after the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris which left 20 people dead, another series of deadly shootings rocked otherwise quiet Copenhagen this weekend, where the person suspected to be responsible for the death of two people and injuring five first at a freedom of speech event and subsequently, at a synagogue in Copenhagen, was killed by police early in the Sunday morning hours.
According to NBC, police said the suspect opened fire on officers as they were monitoring an address in Norrebro while investigating the two shootings. Authorities did not identify the suspect, who was killed when police returned fire.
The first shooting happened before 4 p.m. Saturday when the gunman used an automatic weapon to shoot through the windows of the Krudttoenden cultural center during a panel discussion on freedom of expression featuring a Swedish artist who had caricatured the Prophet Muhammad. The artist, Lars Vilks, was whisked away unharmed by his bodyguards but a 55-year-old man attending the event was killed, while three police officers were wounded, authorities said.
Vilks, 68, has been the subject of death threats for his previous caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad as a dog. He was not injured in the shooting, which the Danish prime minister described as a "terrorist attack." Vilks told The Associated Press that he believes he was the target of the shooting. "What other motive could there be?" he said, and referred to the attacks on the offices of the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris in January. Vilks has been threatened before: a Pennsylvania woman last year got a 10-year prison term for a plot to kill the cartoonist. In 2010, two brothers tried to burn down his house in southern Sweden and were imprisoned for attempted arson.
The attack at the synagogue occurred hours later, shortly before 1 a.m. Sunday. Denmark's Chief Rabbi, Jair Melchior, identified the Jewish victim as Dan Uzan, 37, a longtime security guard for the 7,000-strong community. He was guarding a building behind the synagogue during a bat mitzvah when he was shot in the head. Two police officers who were there were slightly wounded.
About four hours later, the shooter was confronted by police as he returned to an address that they were keeping under surveillance. Investigators described him as 25 to 30 years old with an athletic build and carrying a black automatic weapon. They released a blurred photograph of the suspect wearing dark clothes and a scarf covering part of his face.
The alleged suspect captured here in a closed-circuit camera.
"We are working under the assumption that it was the same perpetrator who was behind both shooting incidents," said Police Commissioner Torben Molgaard Jensen. "And we are also working under the assumption that the perpetrator who was shot by SWAT police...is the person who carried out these attacks."
Danish Intel service says #cphshooting gunman known to them, may have been motivated by #CharlieHebdo attack, looking whether link to #Syria
— Jon Williams (@WilliamsJon) February 15, 2015
More troubling, just like in the Charlie Hebdo murders, the gunman was said to be have been inspired by Islamic radicalism according to Jens Madsen, head of the Danish intelligence agency PET.
"PET is working on a theory that the perpetrator could have been inspired by the events in Paris," Madsen said, according to the AP. "He could also have been inspired by material sent out by (ISIS) and others."
At a news conference Madsen also said investigators have identified the suspect and that he is someone who had been on the agency's "radar." He did not reveal his identity.
The attacks took place two days after Denmark and its partners in the European Union agreed to dramatically boost cooperation in the counter-terrorism field as a result of the January attacks in Paris, which claimed the lives of 17 victims.
The EU's law enforcement agency, Europol, said Sunday it was in contact with Danish authorities and proposing its help to find out as much as possible about the Copenhagen gunman and whether he was acting alone or in concert with others. "We are offering our expertise and capabilities from our anti-terrorist unit including access to our databases," said Europol spokesman Soeren Pedersen.
Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt put the entire nation on high alert and on Sunday visited the scene of the synagogue shooting. "Denmark has been hit by terror," she said. "We do not know the motive for the alleged perpetrator's actions, but we know that there are forces that want to hurt Denmark. They want to rebuke our freedom of speech."
The U.S. condemned the shootings and said it was ready to help the Danish government investigate, if asked. "We offer our condolences to the loved ones of the deceased victim, and our thoughts are with those wounded in this attack," U.S. National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan said.
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decried the attack and said his government plans to encourage a "massive immigration" of Jews from Europe. "Again, Jews were murdered on European soil just because they were Jews," Netanyahu said at the start of his Cabinet meeting Sunday. "This wave of attacks is expected to continue, as well as murderous anti-Semitic attacks. Jews deserve security in every country, but we say to our Jewish brothers and sisters, Israel is your home."
And while this latest attack may have ended, the imminent threat of more deaths prompted authorities to cancel on short notice a carnival parade in the northern German town of Braunschweig planned for Sunday lunchtime, notice due to a concrete threat of an Islamist attack, police said.
"Reliable state security sources have made it known that a concrete threat of attack with an Islamist background exists," authorities in Braunschweig said in a statement. Police called on all visitors to refrain from visiting the planned route of the carnival parade and avoid travelling to Braunschweig.
If tragic history is any precedent, this will hardly be the end of the Europe's resurgent wave of hate crimes: hate, which the pseudo-federalization of Europe and its conversion to a political, customs and monetary union (which itself has been the cause of so much pain and suffering for millions of Europeans) was supposed to prevent.
Which, of course, is not to say that the US is any better. Presenting: Chicago.
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Trader1
You might, and I stress might, have a case for your statement BEFORE Europeans opened up their borders to every Tom, Dick and Harry from the third world. Now Europeans are nothing but helpless victims. Case in point Sweden now ranks #2 in the world right behind S Africa in the number of rapes committed per inhabitant.
OT I always wondered about your avatar, is that some sort of jamacan version of a Nordic flag?
Check your murder, assault and rape rates (per capita) vs America, I think not...
Of course, they'll have to figure out a motive at some point, because it can't possibly have anything to do with the...er...tolitarian belief system of certain individuals that spontaneously arose from having been in too close contact with the descendants of crusaders (which can happen living in Europe and other places -very common, really)...must be just one of those odd kinetic events in which individuals who don't like what's-his-name get what they got coming to them!
More practitioners of "the peaceful religion" go off the rails.
Clearly just workplace violence again, move along...
Perhaps,in the spirit of fairness, some artist should do a version of "Piss Mohammad" so Muslims may empathize with Christians how irritating it is to be so shamefully disrespected. Maybe that would be the bridge to empathy and understanding.
Miffed;-)
Exactly, love to see the progs stirring in their own juices...lol.
Maybe some S&M stuff too, its high art! ;-)
Pepe Escobar nailed it for the Hebdo affair:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-080115.html
"Cui bono, then, with killing Charlie? Only those whose agenda is to demonize Islam."
Escobar writes like he is stoned. A definite conspiracy theorist.
It is a believable theory, except of course for the fact that Islamists are already doing a bang-up job of demonizing Islam.
Something to consider: the two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
Consider it this way. When a car is already headed downhill, you can make it go even faster by pressing on the gas pedal.
Some history on slave trading in the West, including The Atlantic Slave Trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUE0si2llTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDmdjC34wSk
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm
Israel is ranked as a “Tier 3” nation by a US Report on Human Trafficking
“According to the U.S.’s Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, Tier 3 nations would be subjected to strict economic sanctions."
http://davidduke.com/israel-cracking-down-on-human-sex-slave-trade-for-f...
OT
Americans OK with police drones - private ownership, not so much: Poll
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/05/us-usa-drones-poll-idUSKBN0L91...
"In regular peoples' hands, it's easy for them to get misused," said poll respondent Sandy Gifford, a 58-year-old daycare worker in Portland, Oregon. She equated drone dangers with those posed by guns and drugs.
Which implies, I assume, that "in regular police hands, it will never be misused." and we will be secure and no more terrists attackin' us and taking away our freecrumbs.
Hitlery/Sandy 2016
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Ummm-hmmmm. M'kay. Were they Mo-happy? Or Mossad?
always has to be a synagogue or jewish deli involved now in the "terror"... hmmm
Hey, MO lovers, shoot into this free speech venue, see how much return fire you get.. Hint, it will not work out like Copenhagen..
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/02/11/10000-muhammad-art-and-cartoon...
Lately, and tragically, not a month can pass in Europe without some deadly, mass shooting event whose inspiration is supposedly racial hatred.
Islam is not a race. This is violence in the name of and on the behalf of an inherently violent religion, in the service of a campaign of domination.
"Supposedly"? What rock are you living under? Islam itself is the problem.
So you took part in the shooting and know why it was done? Impressive. Couldn't be you are just making another idiotic assumption like all the Islamophobes do. Dubbya and the propaganda machine sure did good work over the last 13.5 years in brainwashing the sheeple to think Muslims are out to kill everyone.
But hey, you are correct and that Muslims are all violent and looking to dominate the world. A billion+ of them but we'll judge them and the religion based on a few who claim to believe in something but their actions don't support it. Brilliant.
I have seen some Christians claim they killed people because Jesus told them to. I will now label all Christians mass murderers...
So this is STILL all Bush's fault - really??? Talk about arrested development....
And while your at it ignore the past thousand years of Islamic violence based directly on MO's words.. Gates of Vienna anyone.. Sorry, I am not so blinded at this point by your prop to believe Islam does not have a problem your own leaders are calling for a reformation Al-Sisi anyone.. Go break up the Texas Mo cartoon festival see how that works out... If your religion is so weak as to need defending from a cartoon you got the problem not the world..
The very word "Islamophobia" is the true idiocy.
A guy walks up to me and says "hey, a few centuries ago a pedophile hopped on a magic horse and jumped into the sky some time after receiving some visions in a cave," I wouldn't be phobic of his dellusion. I recognize that it's pretty demented to believe something like that and move on. If he says going to kill me for not worshipping this fairy-tale, I'm still not phobic. I might get defensive if the threat is credible. But phobic, no.
No, all Muslims do not kill people. The problem is that those Muslims that do kill people (even kill their own people) seem to overwhelm the peaceful people. For whatever reason, the peaceful people never stand up and always end up being subjugated by either a religious fanatic or by a strong arm dictator. It seems the Islamic religion just cannot exist on its own and it must integrate itself into politics and that only works if a majority of the populace gives a somewhat tacit approval of the religious tenets. And we all know religion in politics is a recipe for disaster, just like it was in Europe.
And I do not want to hear that this all the West's fault either. Agreed, the West has not helped the situation the last 100 years, but the Islamic political problem was in play long before the oil was discovered. I like my Arabic numerals, but that was a long time ago, and that area of the world regressed since then.
The problem is, the Koran is very clear that a Muslim who kills infidels is BETTER than a Muslim who stays home and minds his own business.
Those words are literally IN THE KORAN.
So, you are precisely 100% wrong.
Dont forget those 1000s of peaceful Muslim mullahs who denounce every infidel beheading. . . That's a real groundswell of condemnation right there. . .
The problem is that for the past 67 years there has been a khazarian state in the center of the middle east whose interest is in creating chaos and triggering violence, which the Zionists quickly claim justifies their greater violence. What happened in Denmark (even if it were NOT a false flag) does NOT justify what the Israelis do in Gaza.
It certainly does not justify the CIA/Mossad "Charlie Hebdo" in France or the Nisman false flags.
Remove the khazarian nation and the middle east will return to peace, just as it was before the khazarians forced themselves upon the Palestinians.
MultiKulti ist sehr gut?
MultiKulti ist kaput.
"Denmark has been hit by terror," she said. "We do not know the motive for the alleged perpetrator's actions, but we know that there are forces that want to hurt Denmark. They want to rebuke our freedom of speech."
But she'll insert a useful motive nonetheless.
We know motive - Nato are bombing countries. She is a stupid bitch
That's one possible layer, a second possibilty is "strategy of tension" operations.
Nato is bombing innocent citizens, including women and children.
i dont know which asshole downvoted you
I like how every shooting now is labeled a terrorist attack. Just shows how idiotic this world has become over the last decade.
The inconvenient fact you of course omit for the stupid among us is the attendee Lars Viks, care to comment on why this particular gathering was targeted?
Certainly zealots would not seek to suppress freedom of speech and press and (audible gasp!) ART!!!
Say it ain't so! ;-)
nmewn, you've won a new CAR!!!!
nmewn, of course not their religion is a strong vibrant religion, confident and proud of their moon rock containing all their sins as long as it kills anyone who does not agree. The worlds true religion was revealed in a cave by a pederastic warlord, bow down now, now. Allah Akbar.....
We are told by Canadian authorities that yesterday's foiled mall massacre plot was not "terrorism" because it was without cultural motivation. This points to a new and improved brand of public enemy. Culturally motivated mayhem.
Say, howzabout hollywood's culture of violence? Does that count?
I think we are getting lost in the buzzwordization of fear.
Fear is whatever it takes:
"IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
Today we have another dead perp who was once again known to the authorities.
Thats the biggest thing right there Banzai IMO.
Never give into fear, never allow the state to use "an opportunity" of nutcases killing people to offer increased protection which will never come. We don't need security forces on every corner asking "for your papers". Living in a free society (or free-er society) involves risk.
Lars Vilks is unafraid, same with me and you and most of us, it should be the same everywhere for those who cherish freedom above all else.
You cannot have my guns, my free speech or any other creator endowed right. You can try but some of us will die.
The best outcome of course is, in the attempt to take, they all die trying ;-)
"I think we are getting lost in the buzzwordization of fear." -- WB7
Corrollary: a "buzzwordization" of explanations preceding investigation.
"buzzwordization"... love that.
Which, of course, is not to say that the US is any better. Presenting: Chicago.
Hey, look! A squirrel!!
At least in Chicago tensions are released. I am afraid of what might be building in New York. 11 days without a murder! Something wicked is being planned, I just do not know what. /sarc
It's been too fucking cold in NYC to murder anyone lately.
They are used to that weather in Chicago so it doesn't slow them down as much.
"30 day Stupidity Trend" is so apt. Bloody hell it's all so stupid and tragic.
Gladiololololololo. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Gun control is hitting what you aim at. But Europe, in their infinite wisdom, has has banned the possession of inanimate objects by their citizens. Good move – seems to be working just fine. What will they be afraid of and ban next – harmonicas perhaps (I'd be all for that)
Reminds me, aim small, miss small...is a good thing to practice!
the bestest of best boggie man ever...
fear of fear=terror.
now everybody join us as we fight terror.
put a ribbon on your fender
just vote as either party will fight the fight
keep tuned into your msm for play by play
DO NOT OVERTHINK THIS-critical thinking not allowed
Mosad & CIA work overtime in Europe since the beginning of the Year 2015.
I had a dream last night...
I was driving down the road, all was moving smoothly, then I saw a giant black crow or raven, swoop in and land on the interstate just beyond an overpass, then a jetliner flying really low make a 90 degree left turn just above the overpass. I swerved to miss the crow/raven (giant thing) and next thing I know, I am following some cars down a road, then it turns to a dirt road, lefts and rights, then I see barracades and signs (cant remember what the signs said), and I lost the other cars, and said to myself that was strange. Then I ended up in someones yard, where there was a man and a boy playing catch. I got out of my car and asked how the heck I got here, and it was strange and surreal, it was as if the man didn't see me, but the boy did? I introduced my self to the man and tried to shake his hand, but my hand went right through his hand.
I turned to the boy and talked to him, he could hear and see me, and I was able to shake his hand, flesh to flesh, then he told me I was dead, or something to that effect. At that point the man seemed to see me, then I woke up.
Strange dream indeed, and it was so detailed and graphic, that I thought it was real.
you saw into the future. time for a church and get some donations going. ps don't forget to promise your vision to all tithers...
You have a good point there new game...thanks!
meh..being Unix, your dreams were hacked by China.
Being one of the most secure operating systems, I don't think I was hacked, as much as someone was telling me something??
I would appreciate it, if there are any dream analysts on here to help me with the meanings? Not that there has to be one, but...
Oh, and those left and right turns, barracades etc, seemed as if I was in a trench system, akin to WWI, trench warfare. The barracades were wooden and thick mesh wire (making it appear) as a window!
I never have dreams like that, never! Maybe my subconcious is preparing me for something?
Mortality's wake-up call can be metamorphic.
Those kind of dreams, super vivid and detailed, with smells and colors, sometimes in different languages completely understood...a guy wakes up exhausted soaked in sweat... its good to tell somebody I suppose, although I wish in some cases I hadnt... In my limited experience on this Planet, too many of mine have come true to dismiss, so I always tell my Wife or somebody, invariably they play out exactly as dreamed, which freaks people out to no end as you can imagine....I do not know how this happens, but it does..even during the dream a guy tries to change the outcome or use logic to get involved to the good...damndest thing. Thank you for sharing this, Unix...here come the jokes from the peanut gallery...Get your shit in order, good advice for a prudent Man dreams or no, aint none of us getting out of here alive...
Thanks Clade, ya I am trying my hardest to get my stuff together! I think my subconcious is reliving images and stories I have seen and heard, who knows...they are the stuff of dreams! And you are of course right, about not getting out alive!
I have a firm belief in Jesus Christ, nothing can shake that, no amount of ridicule or talk can change my belief system. Believe me, I have been trashed a lot for saying that, but I move on with life undeterred.
At various times in my life I've had incredibly vivid and detailed dreams I've remembered, as you have. Sometimes, but by no means always, I knew I was at some point of uncertainty or transition and hadn't quite figured out where I stood. At other times, everything in my life had seemed tranquil, placid, and well-understood, but the dream unsettled me and I realized I needed to think about where I was and what I was doing.
I've found for myself that the specific details aren't too significant, but the overall feeling produced is. Usually when I have dreams like this it means I've got a feeling, valid or not, of being a little off-track, as though I've been going along in a pattern for too long and it's time to make sure I'm conscious and aware of what I'm doing and whether or not I like it.
I don't have the patience for professional analysis or even amateur navel-gazing. I do find it helps me when I have dreams like this to just make a note of it, bear it in mind, and periodically think to myself, "Is this course I'm on comprehensible to me, and is it what I want?" Or to intentionally take a full day and do none of the things on my list of things to do; not ponder the dream or "The Meaning Of Life," and go to a baseball game by myself when I should be working, or something like that. Often, the next time I consciously think about where I am and whether or not I'm cool with it, I find I've had a new thought that bears examination.
In general, dreams like this for me are just a message from me to myself that I should be a little more quietly watchful of myself, and there's something I'll notice that warrants some action on my part, if I'm calmly aware enough for a little while.
The day or two after a dream like this is pretty freaky, though.
Thanks guy, I do feel the same way as you do. Problem is I can't afford to go the baseball games (j/k)!
"Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decried the attack and said his government plans to encourage a "massive immigration" of Jews from Europe"
You'll need a Greater Israel to take them all.
Oh wait ... ...
Yeah. You will. And?
just a thought outloud. seems that the attached entities kick sand on another entity.
Ramp up the military police state, disarm the citizenry.....who benefits?
Umm, Denmark is already disarmed.. So disarming Americans I assume based on a shooting in Denmark will be tough. As a coordinated effort to build public opinion no, still blamed on Mo lovers.. War false flag perhaps but too MO oriented for a disarmament op...
I just dont see the Fedcoats grabbing the guns thru the front door. They're working the backdoors now, trying to get psychiatrists to deem patients unstable. I have a friend who is a shrink. He doesn't want to get anywhere near this topic, but liability might force him to either stop practicing OR deem everyone unstable and not eligible for gun ownership. Could be the next wave of 'defensive medicine'.
Off Topic, but I love this. The Thieves of the corrupt Banker/Government cabal have been struck! LONG LIVE THE HACKERS.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/world/bank-hackers-steal-millions-via-...
Haha, so they're counterfeiting electronic fiat and siphoning it off. Shows you what it's worth intrinsically.
I"m starting to think Catherine Austin Fitts is right. I've thought she was a self-interested kook for a long time, but I'm reconsidering that. How come our financial system, worldwide, seems so OK with fraud, even when it affects them? There's got to be a reason.
My wife's bank account was recently targeted. There were a couple of nearly-simultaneous ATM withdrawals from her account. She banks at Wells Fargo, though I keep telling her to stop doing that. They called her to see if these were legitimate transactions. They weren't. Then it took Wells a week to put the money back into her account. Note that she had never lost her ATM card; she had it the whole time. And she changes her PIN every couple months. Wells even told her she didn't need to get a new ATM card number, though she did anyway. After Wells credited her back her money, they clammed up. Wouldn't tell her what had happened. They said their investigation was now concluded and closed, as if that answered anything.
Clearly allowing and tolerating all this fraud and theft is an acceptable cost of doing business for the banks. Why? I wouldn't tolerate somebody stealing from me, even if it was a mere fraction of my wealth. Unless, maybe, I was using the same vulnerabilities in the system as the thieves were, but on a vastly grander scale. If I were, let's just say Ms. Fitts is correct, laundering and profiting in the billions and trillions of dollars of drug and gun-running and organized crime dollars, maybe I'd tolerate losing millions to hacker theft. It would be like paying a tiny tax on profits, and I probably wouldn't say anything about it as long as I kept getting billions coming in in exchange for mere millions going out.
Regardless, once fraud becomes the major growth industry in an economy, nothing good is going to come of it.
Well, of course the suspect is now dead. That helps keep the narrative tidy, and malleable. It can be whatever we want. It could have been hippies 40 years ago, or Commies, but now it's Muzzies. We'll never know anything but the official theory, now.
I keep wondering what, exactly, is the fascination with drawing obscene caricatures of Mohammed. Sure, we should be free to do that. But freedom to do that doesn't exempt us from paying a price in public disapproval. Being shot to death is not that price, of course. But it's a known possibility. What sort of courage, exactly, is being displayed by continuing to draw these cartoons? I suppose some would say it's self-expression in the face of danger, and that's brave. But there are numerous rights I choose not to avail myself of because it isn't worth the risk and the disapproval. I'm really not interested in offending people for the sake of offending them, although it certainly is my right. It's also their right to express their disapproval by all means short of shooting me to death, but the fact is, once I've been shot to death I can't really express my indignation and seek recompense so it's all the same to me at that point.
It's like those I hear in America who claim it's hypocritical and unfair that they can't call black people "nigger" when so many black people call themselves and each other "nigger." Well, it is a little ironic I suppose, but it's also none of my damned business. Black people have asked us white people to not call them "nigger." That's enough for me. It proves nothing at all, serves no positive purpose, for me to call black people "niggers," no matter what they might call one another in whatever context they understand between them. It would only show what a self-pitying asshole I would be to do that, once asked not to.
Same thing for drawing caricatures of Mohammed as a dog, or raping kids, or butt-fucking Jesus, or whatever else these scabrous white Europeans think would be funny to draw. What purpose is being served? What are they expressing that I need to learn? What of value are we protecting in this use they choose of their freedom?
Nobody should kill anybody for any reason. Almost always, somebody who kills has something very wrong with them, if they don't understand the difference between words or cartoons and actual human life. But on the other hand, we do have the tradition of a "fighting words" doctrine. Some things you say or do, you're gonna get your ass kicked and nobody's going to feel to bad about it. For most of us, that's enough to influence us to temper our behavior, so as to avoid the ass-kicking that might ensue. That's how reasonable people behave.
No, these "paragons of free speech" aren't in it for the free speech. They're in it for the racist thrills. They're taunting people and egging them on, so they can play the victim all the more. Fuck Charlie Hebdo. And Fuck the people who kill in an almost Pavlovian response. We're better off without all of them. But it would be nice once in a while if the alleged killers could be caught alive, so we could hear from them what exactly they had in mind. Might lay to rest all kinds of questions that cloud up the narrative.
Or maybe our not hearing that is the intent.
+1000! Couldn't agree more.
awesome post- critical thinking allowed here...
what is galling about charlie is the jewish participation in maligning mohamed when they are legally protecting from free speech making fun of jews in france and all of europe. in fact, the comedian dueaudonne(sp) was arrested for that very thing several times.
There's a bit of a difference between talking about wiping out a race and mocking an idol in cartoons
you mean the palestinians?
It is cowardice to stop drawing cartoons of mo-mo b/c the ragheads try to kill those who do. Fuck you and your ignorance for not recognizing the cancer that has been Islam for over 1000 years. It's time to cut the cancer out. Just like a raghead lopping off the head of some poor journalist or charity healthcare worker.
As I said, you have the right to be an asshole, and nobody should kill you for it. That doesn't mean you're not being an asshole, however. I note that nobody is trying to chop off my head.
That's not what you said AT ALL. Further, you didnt raise any questions about inflammatory "art" that mocks Jesus Christ, such as that lovely little piece "Piss Christ." You are advancing your agenda, which attempts to portray efforts to satirize Mohammud (may he drown in pig's blood) as needless provocation. You imply that the freedom of speech and expression should not trump raghead sensitivity without offering any reason why ragheads should receive any consideration.
I'd get in your face if I saw you in the street. I'm sick of your multicultural snakeoil. The ragheads wish to wipe out all non-ragheads. The sooner the West acknowledges this, the sooner we can annihilate the threat.
+1000 post of the day
You are exactly correct...on a personal level. The problem is that when we give in to that mentality, it will eventually lead to not being able to speak against the government, once they decide what is "agreeable" speech. That is the fine line we all must guard against when it comes to political correctness.
I struggle with the concept you describe, as well. I know exactly what you mean. I think it's different, though. The Muslims in Western Europe are not the government. Charlie Hebdo was not "telling truth to power." Charlie Hebdo was picking on the outcasts for laughs. Despite what you'll hear from people who like to feel sorry for themselves, Muslims in the West are not in power. Acknowledging them and politely not noticing their various idiosyncracies as we ignore the idiosyncracies of those more like ourselves is not cowardice or political correctness. It's just how humans get along with each other without killing each other all the time. Or, for lack of a better word, "Civilization." There are, of course, trade-offs.
What's interesting is that while Charlie Hebdo and others' cartoons are not at all about telling truth to power, Power has seized on them as if they were just that. It's a useful diversion for them. As long as people are retaliating against those below them on the social order, they aren't criticizing those above them with the real power.
The mainstream arguments against the brutality of the Muslim retaliation for such nonsense are pernicious. Of course these guys shouldn't be killing "blasphemers." But to focus on that is to miss, perhaps intentionally, the whole of what is going on here. If somebody punches you in the face because they don't want you around because you're different, not from there and unwelcome; and then you shoot them; does it follow that everybody else should keep punching you in the face until you learn not to shoot people? Of course not, it's absurd. You need to be punished for shooting people, and everybody else should quit punching you in the face and bear some consequences of having done that. Once you strip out the religious and ethnic elements, it's not that complicated.
You're right to be concerned about too much self-censorship. But there's a huge difference between refraining from speaking truth to power and picking on the already-powerless. Those in power have a lot to gain in blurring that difference, and they're doing it frantically.
You're completely ignoring the fact that Islam is far from powerless: it ferociously dominates, at times with awe-inspiring cruelty, an astounding portion of this planet. It gobbles up more and more every year at gun-point.
How much power do you want them to have?
Will you not ackowledge that Isalm, as one of the largest global religions, is an instrument of power accumulation itself?
And what we're really talking about, when we say it's even close to tolerable for people to murder other people over mockery of a religion is this: the creation of a select grievance class, extra-judicially granted a license to kill those who ackowledge the inherent silliness of said class's shared fantasy of anti-rational supremacy.
To many of us, this belief system is a joke. Read the Koran. Tell me you don't laugh to yourself as it re-imagines Biblical stories in a blatantly self-serving manner. Tell me the "separate" covenant with Ishmael isn't just down-right stupid and absurd. It heaps mockery upon itself.
I made it very clear that I was talking about Western Europe. And, indeed, the Western world in general.
What part of the planet is Islam gobbling up at gunpoint? You mean the places where everybody is Muslim and one group or another, also Muslim, takes power over another, over issues that are the same anyplace regardless of the religion (water, land, power, energy)? It's true there are more Muslims in "The West" than there used to be, but they're lower-class immigrants, working shitty jobs and living in poverty. If that's what you consider power, you're welcome to it.
Who's this "we" whom you claim says "it's even close to tolerable for people to murder other people over mockery of a religion"? Wasn't me. Maybe your straw man said it, but I don't buy your premise.
Since your premise doesn't hold up, the rest of your sentence, "the creation of a select grievance class, extra-judicially granted a license to kill those who ackowledge the inherent silliness of said class's shared fantasy of anti-rational supremacy" is merest irrational fear-driven fantasy. I don't even know what you're talking about.
When people start choosing which magical invisible, omnipotent, omnitient ancient middle eastern sky-wizard sun-god fantasy is better than the other, I get bored and start looking for real, tangible motivations people might have for acting the way they do. They aren't hard to find. And they're usually not very noble, which is why they get all up with that sky-wizard shit in the first place.
I haven't seen a religion that doesn't heap mockery on itself. I just usually try to keep that observation to myself, because some people really take it personally and don't like to discuss their true interests. And I've also observed that anyone who wants to determine that one heap of bullshit is vastly superior to another, nearly identical, heap of bullshit is so full of bullshit there's really no point; such people are so deluded they become frightened easily by things that aren't there and can be dangerous if not handled very gingerly indeed. So why bother. Dealing with people's real issues and interests in the here and now is challenging enough, and unlike the magical bullshit, might offer a chance of productive resolution.
You are a fool. Try and walk through the areas of the US where the ragheads are the majority. Start in Dearborn Michigan. Make sure the report back.
Well said...
Black people have asked us white people to not call them "nigger." That's enough for me.
Really? Tell you what. When blacks stop mugging, murdering and raping whites at a ratio of about 50:1 I might consider acting on their request. Noamsane?
Apples and Oranges. Do you see an equivalence there? How? Please explain. Or are you following the currently popular theme of allowing those over whom you claim superiority to dictate your moral compass to you and set the standards you apply to yourself? I prefer to maintain control of my own standards, even if it means I treat people better than I might feel they deserve. It's up to me, not them.
I commend your desire to maintain your own standards and would like to think I do the same. The point is that I'm fed of of black people prescribing what they choose to find offensive and the rest of us walking on eggshells to conform. For example, arising from that Benedict Cumberbatch incident I now understand the term 'colored people' to be offensive but 'people of color' is not. How long more do we have to put up with this nonsense?
My other point is that every social pathology appears appears more frequently - by orders of magnitude - in the black 'community'. When they start getting their act together and begin leading lawful productive lives I might be more amenable to their social dictates.
We all gotta pick our battles, I guess. I don't see how I gain anything worth gaining from that one.
"Well, of course the suspect is now dead. That helps keep the narrative tidy, and malleable. It can be whatever we want."
Well, duh, yeah! The Ruling class learned this trick from the Clerical class. Or was it the other way around? E.g.
1. Many competent sources say that Moses himself was murdered by a few in his Inner Circle (for having gone demented/senile and not allowing the Israelites into the 'Promised Land').
2. Likewise, Jesus became far more useful with his death and resurrection (seed in the ground brings forth a new tree), or the many Saints that the Church created.
3. Ditto for dead Presidents or any protagonists.
4. Some claim that the real American Sniper (Chris Kyle) had a change of hear and worldview when he came back home, and that when you combined his views with his stature, that this would be detrimental to TPTB: thus... 'he had to go'. It's not too difficult for TPTB to dredge up some useful fool and patsy, as history shows time and again. So too it was/is with Kyle's killer: you just have to find them, wind them up and point them in the right direction.
You getting the JPG?
Religion of Peace update.
I'm sure this is once again an elaborate ruse by Mossad or something. No one who bows to Mecca has ever hurt a soul, despite the fact their Koran orders them to kill Infidels.
Let's talk more about the Inquisition and Crusades.
i need to deflect the conversation to the root problem. peoples believing in intangible outcomes rather than tangible outcomes. kinda simple. gravity suck sometimes. but then again maybe i'll float to heavan when i die, ah fuck that i wouldn't get in to that club cause i didn't BELIEVE IN THE AFTERLIFE. wouldn't matter cause the gatekeeper would send me to hell...
It's not an either/or thing. Usually it's more like "All of the Above, and then a whole lot more..." It's the "whole lot more" that gets eliminated from the tidy narratives packaged up for our consumption, designed to stampede our thinking in one direction and away from another.
The "Mossad Plot" line of thinking is also far too tidy, as is the sarcastic "Religion of Peace" stuff. As for their Koran, ever read the Old Testament? Talk about vicious. And the Inquisition and Crusades were indeed brutal. So has been the 20th Century colonialist division of people across Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia. And the puppet dictators installed by departing colonial powers, the better to enforce the imparted divide-and-conquer shambolic hobbled artificial states enacted by Sykes-Picot and various other, exclusively foreign and never native local, authorities. Then the reaction to those despotisms has been brutal, the counter-reaction, and the ensuing chaos. And that chaos has been extremely useful to outside powers, due to the wet gloopy stuff under the sands in some of those areas.
My point is there are no clean hands here, and no tidy narrative. It is not a cop-out to say everyone involved has acted like a bastard, and the first thing to do is whatever it takes to calm things down so cooler heads prevail. What's telling is to see who does say such common sense is a cop-out, and we must never deviate from demanding that our entire point of view be accepted wholesale with no changes.
Name one actual "Religion of Peace." I betcha can't do it, or if you can, it has a tiny number of adherents who all have affluent, comfortable backgrounds and the luxury to opt for a peaceful world-view.
"Name one actual "Religion of Peace."
Well, the best I can come up with is Buddhism but that is a bit of a stretch considering it is more of a philosophy, teachings that can lead to enlightenment and personal happiness. No adherence to an article of faith as in most religions Buddha himself wanted no formal organization ( with good reason I think)
As to the Koran vs the Old Testament, they both do contain brutality as you state. However, the Old Testament was primarily an historical record of wars. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testament and began Christianity in the New Testament. In a sense, revising the old Testiment. There has been no revision to islam since 700 AD so this is how it is practiced today. It could be argued that Muslims today practicing the Koran to the letter are actually honoring their faith far more then those who practice in name only.
But, I certainly am no expert. I could only get through a few surahs of the Koran before giving up. I found the endless promotion of violence, saber rattling and " God is great" in every other sentence just not appealing. Maybe I just need to be instructed to where the beauty is.
Miffed
Yeah, I was kind of back and forth about Buddhism as well. I suppose I ought to have said, "Name one religion that doesn't claim to be a "Religion fo Peace," in the name of which people haven't done awful things."
The New Testament is pretty remarkable, but I'm sure I'd find the Koran as impossible to read as the time I tried to read "The Book of Mormon." Found it impossible.
What impressed me most about the Old Testament had to do with the world view of a group of very primitive people living under horrific conditions most of the time. Lots of fear.
I guess I'm more interested in the other ways people tell of their worldview and character, like their economics and the kinds of things they do and make. The canon of explanations always makes me wonder whose interests are being represented.
"Maybe I just need to be instructed to where the beauty is."
You can dig around in a pile of shit, but even if you find something nice in there, it's going to be covered in shit.
Does that help, Miffed?
I was being sarcastic. But maybe so were you
Miffed
Barry's offered Denmark assistance if desired when all he's looking for is to get it on with the Danish PM.
As if he hasn't got enough on his plate. Also the expense of AF1 and it's entourage is gonna cost several million tax dwollars which Yellen might not be too thrilled to print. s/c
I'm confused you mean the Danish PM's brother or husband?
You know I prefer me, but you are something special.....
WOW! Another Lone Gunman shot dead by SWAT team. Say it isn't so...
This Standard Government False Flag scenario is getting really long in the tooth.
Somebody, somewhere soon, will blame this on NRA members and AR-15's. Franken-Bitch Diane in 5...4...3...2...1...
You cannot insult the dead Prophet with a cartoon .... insult is an in yo face thing .... look it up .... when are these Muslims gonna learn English !
I would be very surprised to see Eirik post on this thread..this goes to the heart of his world view and well for Eirik best to avoid facing this ..it would be fun for the rest of us as Eirik would end up with logic like a pretzel and be made the fool ..
."One month after the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris which left 20 people dead,"
Credibility alert.
Well, by the time you add up the victims, the shooters, the hostages, the eyewitnesses; you might get to 20. Or maybe it's not quite over yet and a couple more people walking around Paris today should get scarce all of a sudden.
Meh, collateral damage, which of course betrays the massacre hyperbole.
Our lives have less value than a female baby in some cultures.
Hell, our lives right here in America have less value than the semblance of credibility of paper debt-coupons, or the feelings of paramilitary stormtroopers, or junk possessions we were probably going to throw out anyway sitting in a garage.
Does the 20 dead from "Je Suis Charlie Hebdo" (TM by the Khazaria Inc.) include the French Prosecutor who "suicided" himself after analysing the evidence?
Probably.
the danish .gov voted not to recognize palestine in december but the prime minister said palestine would be recognized before the peace settlement and timed for maximum effect on the process. israel is unhappy. britain is next.
funny to listen to fellow abrahamics trash jews and christians and muslims as if they had different origins and god. they apparently can't see the ridiculousness of their own religion is exemplified in their criticism of the other religions.
Keep this a secret but its actually a racial thing. Non whote christians (like mexicans) are not liked in the US or europe either.
attack at 1am at a Bat Mitvah on Sunday??
yeah...
Sunday is the first day of the week for Jews. Friday sunset to Sat sunset is their Sabbath. Got it?
Bat Mitzvah? It's literally "Daughter of the Law" and is a Jewish "coming of age" ceremony for 12 y.o. girls, based on the Talmud. It's like Confirmation for Christians.
Not to be confused with the Bar Mitzvah ("Son of the Law") or the Bark Mitzvah, where the latter is a pseudo-traditional observance and celebration of a dog's coming of age.
If there is a Bark Mitzvah, then there must be a Goy Mitzvah, I suppose. ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_and_Bat_Mitzvah
Free Speech Rally. Imagine that ISIS attacks free speech. How convenient eh.
Something's rotten in Denmark.
is judaism the religion of peace? http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2015/2/15/the-eternal-jew-a-glimpse-into...
well, at least my govt got really really angry, feeling much better now
Denmark has been asking for this for a while.
Firstly they have let muslims into the country against the wishes of the ordinary people. Muslims have no natural connection to Denmark at all. There has been increasing protest by ordinary Danes, but the politicians insisted on "cultural enrichment" which is what they now have.
That said, the Danes have also participated in NATO actions in countries that have no figth with Denmark. The US has led this once peaceful country into a permanent low state of war, and the war mongering politicians have followed, some building their career on doing the dirty work of the US.
This is reaping what they have sowed. It has taken awhile, but here it is, you can't eat your cake and have it.
On the bright side, there is now one more peaceful Muslim, partying with some virgin boars in 'Paradise'. I thought all those gun control laws in Europe eliminated the possibility for gun violence. . .
Supposedly?
Given the online and offline world are both incessantly pumping out vicious hate messages since about post Lehman's, why wouldn't that not result in actual anti-racial and anti-religious attacks? Just look at the zh threads and at the anti-racial and anti-religious groups all over Europe.
Is it really out of the realm of possibility that these attacks are just that?
I remember reading zh threads in 2009 when the topic of Masonic lodges and NWO first came up in relation to the views of some guy (Charlie someone??) putting out a news letter. The zh crowd back then were overwhelmingly skeptical, almost no one took any of it seriously, but a small handful.
Most thought it was flaky silly stuff. Then more and more people began to realize 9-11 was actually a false-flag inside job (which I readily accept from pilots for 9-11 ACARS data btw), and like a light was flicked on, we ended up with wacko conspiracy theories of complete and utter paranoid bullshit springing up everywhere over night, on every bloody topic under the sun.
Is this sane? Is it smart? Doesn't any in zh think this crap has gone waaaaayy too far??
Somehow it became Schiek to pretend everything that happened is a false-flag or an NWO plot, to take over the world and start a WWIII.
While discounting the very clear possibility that it's all simply hate-filled deluded wayward violent idiots who want to kill the objects and subjects of their hate.
And now this stupid muck is in every fecking comment, and even the zh editorial line within the first sentence of this post above, without evidence, is immediately setting up a conspiratorial suspicious/paranoid tone to the article.
Do people rally enjoy wading through this icky crap all the time?
If you don't like it, and why would you, why don't you just say that? Are you content for this crap to just go on and on like this? Just say you've had enough of it, tell people to knock it off. If you don't start doing that it isn't going to get any better.
Yeah, tell all those ragheads just to knock it off. That should do it!
Ask why there are tens of millions of them in White countries and who arranged for them to migrate here.
That is the key question. Barbara Lerner Specter can help you with the answer.
I have wondered that many times. Invade them under false pretexts, make them all super fundy-pissy, so import them here while we're over there fighting them, so we don't have to fight them over here ...just wow.
It's the equivalent of importing millions of the residents of Japan, even as you're fire bombing it, and expecting there to be no resulting domestic issues from the millions of former Jap residents walking your streets. The people who set immigration policies deliberately shot us in the foot.
Have a read of this today, the backlash is on ... amid a whole raft of new state sickurity bilge, to protect us ... from the bad people ... but not from the people who bought it about:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-15/pm-flags-tough-stance-on-border-se...
Now there's probably well over a million of them living here.
Yellow journalism has been around from the dawn of time. The response to it is the issue. Critical thinking must be taught and practised rigorously to avoid the simplistic reptilian brain herd reaction. Alas, rarely promoted today.
Humans prefer inputs that can be quickly catagorized into neat mental cubby holes. This provides an illusion of safety and comfort. I am guilty of this as well until my exquisite taffeta gown adorning my body is shown to be nonexistent and simply a dream of my own mind. This truth can be quite embarassing at parties. But, in accepting truth, I will be less likely to be manipulated in the future.
I have noticed in any long standing group there tends to be a a reaching of cooperation, commonality and understanding to maintain the cohesiveness of the group. Game theory at work here? It's a good thing we have a random Element to shake things up.
Miffed;-)
Thanks Miffed, I always enjoy your remarks, and not just when you're talking to me. Cheers.
The Craig Hicks .... who killed the three Muslims .... in Chapel Hill, NC .... was not a Tea Partier .... he was leftist scum as were his victims .... he was pro Obama and pro Ground Zero Mosque .... he was an aetheist liberal .... the most enlightened ones !
For Christ sakes, now all I have to hear about is people wringing hands and wasting time investigating whether this is a hate crime. The perpetrator either needs the death penalty or spend the rest of his life in jail...end of story.
Native Danes are great people...lots of fun to hang around with, very similar sense of humor to Americans and Aussies...got themselves overrun by their .Gov lenient immigration policies. Thats the lesson....plus, they have no guns to shoot back with...I love Copenhagen, and some of the small western Danish towns like Thisted...told the Wife I'd take her there someday..maybe not now..
I'm not how significant or accurate the numbers are but on average 10 people a day die on mumbai trains, six people are murdered every week in Chicago, 35000 road fatalities and 14000 gun fatailities in the US per annum, and the list goes on. Two people get killed in Denmark in the overall scheme of things isn't so newsworthy.
Its simple math. The death of one Jew is equal to the death of 1000 Hezbollah or 100000 Palestinians.
The news media told me not to worry, this was just a "lone wolf" attack. I'll go back to sleep now.
"Keep it up .... there me more "sleep" in your future .... than you imagined !" Alahu Fuckbar.
France: Police Catch 73-Year-Old Jewish Man Spray-Painting the Word “Jew” on 20 Cars
http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=32717
Jewish Man Caught Spray Painting Swastikas & Making “anti-Semitic” Threatening Phone Callshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/9019394/Jewish-ma...
Jewish student caught on camera spraying Swastikas on dorm doors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwTi37mvBB0
Ah, the famous "Grafitti Defense" .... excellent choice, Counselor !
In a word: SAYANIM
Have the prosecutor cross-examine them on their deep affiliations and worldviews.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Sayanim
Off Topic Alert : Took my KIA Soul to the Autofixer in Ensenada .... it was missing on one cylinder .... to isolate the problem .... he cleaned all the injectors .... the plugs .... even rotated the suspicious coil .... to elinate that possibility .... $400 pesos .... less than an injector cleaning ? Oh, it was a foulded plug !
My problem with this artcle is that it declares the Charlie Hebdo incident as a "massacre," again and again treating the affair as if it was an actual event. In case you're not on top of this, please check out the video entitled "Charlie Hebdo Shootings - Censored Video" on the StormCloudsGathering Youtube site. (You'll need to sign in to view it.)
It shows, plain and simply, that the Charlie Hebdo headshot of the cop was an absolute phony. The headshot was fake. This means the "cop" wasn't a cop and the "terrorist" wasn't a terrorist. So if you want to keep believing that these incidents aren't staged, then go ahead. As for me I will know the truth these incidents are fake.
100% fake.
Truth hurts.
Mossad
Keep bringing them in, by the tens of thousands. The problem is, you haven't allowed enough immigration. If you did, that would create peace and tolerance. (I'm using the Keynesian/Paul Krugman model here. That works, right?)
Obama called the attack in Paris at the Kosher deli a random act of violence. I wonder if he will call the killing at the synagogue another random act of violence.
Another false flag? Things in Europe must really be getting out of hand. The masters are worried about the masses, time to create a swedish version of the partriot act
Strict gun laws in Europe and they have that UN Small Arms Treaty that Obongo signed for the USA also.
More Government By Executive Order–Obama Targets Ammunition; Imposes Gun Control by Fiat
And as far as what all these NON-EUROPEANS are doing in EUROPE, well I think this Swedish woman singer really puts it all in perspective, it is interspersed with news footage of riots in Sweden. I have to confess to getting a bit teary watching this:
Ode To A Dying People
And infuriated watching this Jewess:
Who is behind 3rd world immigration into Sweden and why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P07PZgUOL-o
Look up Barbara Spectre Lerner, an American Jewish studies professor. Here is a video of what she had to say about who is behind 3rd world immigration into all of Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
This video expands on the Barbara Spectre section of the previous video about Sweden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROGnoNJc6Nw
Good links. Whether false flags or not Europe has a massive and rapidly growing Muslim problem. And make no mistake about this: Just as in America and every other White country Jews have been the prime movers of the open borders/mass Third World immigration/blending out of the White race program.
There's at least one Barbara Lerner Specter in every White country, acting like termites, destroying us from within.
By no means are all Jews involved or even supportive but it's time for them to call their traitorous kinsmen to heel.
Not that it matters but I had not previously heard of this Barbara Spectre lady. I watched one of the short clips and from what I gather she comes across as someone strongly in favor of multi-culuralism. So what? You figure that she is strongly a factor in shaping Swedish immigration policy? And this little lady is also responsible for ensuring hoards of Muslim immigrants who are now posing a problem for all non-Muslim majorities in Sweden?
This sickening chorus-line of blaming Jews for Christian country's policy making is about as far fetched as one could go. It is so absurd that one should laugh at the suggestion. I suppose that Rabbi Abarbanel was responsible for creating the foundations that directly led to the Expulsion order from the King of Spain, that inevitably lead to a mass exodus of Jews across Europe, as one Catholic country after another jumped on the Spanish Inquisition bandwagon. I mean, Abarbanel was only the Finance Minister to the famed Spanish leaders and they were so enamored of his acumen, wisdom and leadership that they begged him to stay, saying that they would wave the need for him to convert to Catholicism. Of course he politely told them to fuck themselves and he joined his people as they left Spain. It was all a Jewish plot......the Inquisition, the Crusades and any other ill founded, super destructive Christian measure......all centuries before the Rothchild's were born. All a Jewish plot. God help us from such sewage.
Something is rotten Denmark ! (and Paris). Fals Flags: A dangerous game....
http://stormcloudsgathering.com/charlie-hebdo-shootings-censored-video
What a joke. So now the entire world is a conspiracy? Everything and everyone. All so "planned out" that no one can tell the difference. Perfectly timed with no "leaks" or traces?
Moronic.
The real conspiracy is folks like you constantly claiming conspiracy.
Plenty of leaks actually.
False flags? I suppose that the dead Jews were really not killed and were shuttled off to some abandoned military base in the USA where they join up with all the people who did not really die in the collapse of the twin towers and all the airplanes that had been "hijacked". Right? See, this is what happens when you keep your head stuffed up your own ass for way too long. It's not a case of re-writing history as it occurs. It is a matter of dipping into your sauce of delusions and painting all reality with it.
Even my dad told me that he'd bet 100 fiats that whoever is supposedly doing the shootings will come up dead.
LOL
Change the script you Zionist tyrants.
The banksters need to repay us.