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The Biggest Problem For Greece Isn't Debt: It's This
"Greeks consider taxes as theft," which, among other things, explains, as WSJ reports, at the end of 2014, Greeks owed their government about €76 billion in unpaid taxes accrued over decades; the government says only €9 billion of that can be recovered, with most of the rest lost to insolvency. Syriza is now making tax collection a top priority among the measures promises the new Troika, but as one government official warned, "the Greek economy would collapse if the government were to force these people to pay taxes." The bottom line is that "normally taxes are considered the price you have to pay for a just state, but this is not accepted by the Greek mentality," and perhaps with this latest round of deference to the EU overlords, it is clear why...
Greece’s new government, scrambling to secure another tranche of short-term funding, agreed on Tuesday to make tax collection a top priority on a long list of measures. Yet previous governments have made similar promises, only to fall short. As The Wall Street Journal reports,
“Greeks consider taxes as theft,” said Aristides Hatzis, an associate professor of law and economics at the University of Athens. “Normally taxes are considered the price you have to pay for a just state, but this is not accepted by the Greek mentality.”
Indeed, for most Greeks tax evasion isn’t considered a serious crime and there is little stigma attached to getting caught, unlike in other European countries or even the U.S.
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Kosmas, a 32-year-old chef in Athens, says his income taxes are automatically deducted from monthly paychecks. But every time he buys something and he is given an option to pay less if he doesn’t ask for a receipt, he says yes.
“It is a win-win situation,” he said. “I pay less for the products and the store pays less in taxes.”
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The government’s tax-revenue shortfall in January alone was 23% below its €4.5 billion target for the month.
Last week, the government outlined plans to forgive up to 50% of individuals’ tax arrears, a sign would make good on its campaign rhetoric.
Syriza would risk a popular uprising by the very people who put it into power if it were to back away from those policies and get tough on taxes, political analysts warn.
Even within the government’s own ranks, officials say Syriza can’t risk tougher enforcement.
The reason isn’t just political, but economic.
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“The Greek economy would collapse if the government were to force these people to pay taxes,” said one senior government official.
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And it seems they are already in trouble...
Greece admitted on Wednesday it will struggle to make debt repayments to the IMF and the European Central Bank this year as Germany's finance minister voiced open doubts about Athens' trustworthiness.
A day after euro zone finance ministers agreed to a four-month extension of a financial rescue for the currency bloc's most heavily indebted member, Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis gave a frank assessment of Greece's financial position.
"We will not have liquidity problems for the public sector. But we will definitely have problems in making debt payments to the IMF now and to the ECB in July," he told Alpha Radio.
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More broken promises to come...
Of course the answer to Greece's problems is simple:
All Greece needs to get an unlimited IMF bailout is to invite some "pro-Russian separatists" to launch a civil war
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) February 25, 2015
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Socialist/Marxist paracites borrow from productive individuals without any real intention of repayment ... then blame it all on free markets & Capitalism! They exist to attack success!
i thought paid gov trolls like you are supposed to spend more time watching midget tranny incest porn, instead of wasting our time to have to scroll past your fucking idiotic posts?
"..THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR A JUST STATE"?? Somebody find me one first, and then maybe I'll consider the premise. Taxes are what Pols steal to buy votes from the most unproductive members of society; when the producers see what is happening they either leave or join the club.
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If it is true that a just state derives its power from consent of the governed but a majority of those governed do not consent to pay taxes demanded by the government they elected, then has that state exceeded its just powers?
It's also been said that taxes are the price paid for civilization. But taxes are really the price paid to sustain government, and governments which tax the people to wage war have been notorious destroyers of civilization.
If a majority of people do not consent to pay taxes demanded by government, then obviously its power to wage war is limited accordingly. This may be the only practical alternative by the governed to control a government corrupt to the core.
let us remember something here kidz..
the tribe banksters NEVER EVER "loan" stuff they actually own.
NEVER
they only "Loan" stuff of yours, they anticipate stealing from you, down the road. rehypothacated bitchez.
ECB never gave greek people ANYTHING. just credit to fucking banks and other tribe banksters
blaming the poeple is CARRYING THE WATER for the ZWO 1%
Syriza is a statist deadbeat motley crew with no credible plan of repayment of debt or future growth even if they get what they want! At some point the citizenry has to think before they vote & understand the potential carnage the occurs with misfit leadership (sic)! They current crew are the lowest common denominators & hardly a solution to their significant problems!
Indeed, it would seem he ran as Santa Claus.
Well, it's Christmas morning...
Tomorrow will be boxing day!
In Greece, citizens pay 33% taxes compared with the GNP, in Belgium one pays 55% of the GNP. You really think the Belgian "state" is so much better? Give me a break - the government STILL runs deficits, government debt is about 110% of the GNP and rising, has bad infrastructure, is a corrupt state, has no decent pensions, has not enough schools, has 35% of overpaid and useless civil servants on the whole workforce, has virtually no caretaking homes for the elderly ( waiting lists of 10 years ), public services are a shambles, high unemployment, unsecure energy supply. I can understand the Greek ....
Don't know the specifics of Belgium, but now would be the time to make the necessary changes before it boils over.
Gov-Co should just send everyone in the world a random assessment of $100K. Whomever can't pay loses a kidney.
Goyim kvetch! Of course not debt. International kosher money power biggest problem. Long time ago we set Greece up to fail. Greece is incubator for what comes to Europe. Kosher money power ravish economies since end WWII. Debt is good. Give us total control. Soon we take guns away in Amerika. Replay kosher Bolshevik Holodomor in Amerika. Greece is stage prop. Distract goyim with bread and circus. Jew’s success no riddle. Stupid goyim swallow kosher deception every time. OY OY OY!!!
This is why Golden dawn will not be elected to power.
The Greeks would wake up to a GD tax collector at their door with a truncheon.
Tax collecting SOLVED!
Perhaps.
Perhaps GD would face competition in that collection market too.
I like these Greek people a little more every day.
The Spanish have a similar attitude, but more along the lines of "there's no point giving money to the government because they will just waste it." I can't really come up with a good response to that.
Let doctors and lawyers take loaves of bread, chicken and eggs in exchange for their services. Teachers can operate farms in the school yard with the kids.
And .gov can have have the crusts, chicken-bones and egg-shells. Seems fair to me.
The average Greek (the one who pays the taxes) has nothing to do with how fucked up the State is, how they collect their money, which schemes they play to cook the books to get into the EU, how it works to get loans from Deutsche, etc.
Then, suddenly, they have to foot the bill for all kind of government schemes???
Big fat middlefinger. I also would go into tax hiding. Who would not?
You gotta love dem Greeks. The Yiddish word "chutzpah" is written all over them. No wonder the Germans have had enough and will take them right to the wall of Champions of Brinksmanship Olympics.
Enough is enough sounds more truthful in a German mouth, not a Greek one.
“Greeks consider taxes as theft,” said Aristides Hatzis, an associate professor of law and economics - as in he is qualified within the confines of a lecture hall but not to speak about reality on behalf of society.
I have no arguement with the idea that taxes are theft.
But then I don't feel deprived during government shutdowns, or cutbacks.
I have a hard time understanding how Greeks could simultaneously believe taxes are theft, and that government service cutbacks are austerity, since the former pays for the latter.
The problem is with the very rich who don't pay taxes. They get away with it. The little guy not only is taxed beyond his means, he is sent to jail if he can't afford to pay them. People who claim that it is a cultural thing, blah, blah, blah, are just looking to take the blame off the big fish who, so far, no one in prior Greek governments wanted to catch. As for not asking for receipts, isn't that equivalent to what a lot of contractors do in the US when they ask you to pay in cash to get a lower price?
When governments believe that they are more powerful than markets and when people believe that governments should have more responsibilities than defence, justice and customs, then comes the time of waste and a growing sense of entitlement by the people and the cancer of public servants who are not only unproductive but actually destructive.
Greece like many other countries suffers from these problems and she is just the unhappy lemon that is currently being squeezed.
For once I will be a supporter of Greek peoples !
And I will add: the State is an irrelevant entity.
Come on now. The problem is the IMF.
https://news.yahoo.com/greek-government-red-faced-over-property-tax-erro...
Property owners across the country were in uproar after the values used to calculate the tax increased tenfold compared to last year, while even incomplete buildings were charged the full levy.
To make sure most Greeks paid up, it had been included in electricity bills, effectively threatening home owners with power cuts if they tried to avoid the tax.
Unless you are enslaved to a corporate then of course taxes are voluntary.
It still amazes me that many people who are not wearing shackles chains and a sword hanging over their necks and kow tow to some faggot called the dept head or some such bollox, actually volunteer to hand it over .
I mean come on, any one with the slightest mildest form of skepticism understands that working and then handing over what you sweat for, especially when you know, not just have a ever so slight, inkling, a teeny little suspicion, that you are being fucking ass raped and pillaged by the most repulsive evil criminal set of cunts in the country's history, gargoyles from the Fed to every bank and major corporate thieving every asset they can lay claim to, legally, morally or not, and using the entire judiciary and the bent double cocksuckers and cock squatters in congress and the senate, to do their bidding, just amazes me.
I a proud of the fact I pay no taxes, I have absolutely no scruples over that whatsoever, and consider it absolutely 100 % in my personal rights and a violation that would beget extreme violence if anyone had a notion to disabuse me of that thinking.
I will not work deprive me and my family or those who depend on me by laboring to feed fucking gangsters.
Let the libtards fucking pay all they want and good luck to them.
But when I see a fucking promiscuous corrupt cock jockey, a bath house trawling Kenyan sub human fucking half bred monkey with half a brain and fit for nothing but the nearest crematorium, in the Whitehouse, I know for a certain fact that I would prefer death to paying these cunts one cent.
If everyone stopped paying taxes, the government would have to listen, and listen very very carefully to what the citizenry told them to do and what they were allowed to do or not do.
So stop paying fucking taxes, use cash, do deals, whatever it takes.
Learn from the Greeks, they are a damned sight smarter than the the average Joe when it comes to taxes
Just got an email from my US Rep., Louise Slaughter, about funding DHS, and why it was so fucking important to do so, right the fuck away.
I replied that I'm in favor of NOT funding DHS and many other wasteful government agencies. Surely, if I wasn't already, I am on a new and improved shit list.
Don't sweat it! Just part of the endgame for a once mighty imperialist republic brought to its knees thanks to widespread infected socialist/marxist dogma! Socialism kills ... always!
I heard that the funding was for jelly donuts for break time for all the DHS pigs.
If all they did was 'coffee shop' it then I'd be ok with it! In a bitter ironic twist the greater forces will continue to agitate in order to create 'unsafe' conditions so they can justify a bigger more bloated DHS in order to keep all protected & safe! (Think KGB, Stazi etc) The death spiral in action! The final stages of a once great empire. Very sad!
The bottom line is that "normally taxes are considered the price you have to pay for a just state, but this is not accepted by the Greek mentality," and perhaps with this latest round of deference to the EU overlords, it is clear why...
Price is what you pay for a "useful" good or service.
Without a "just" state, how can you guage "Greek mentality" regarding taxes?
This will be the 7th default for Greece over the past 190 years! During that time they have been in some form of financial crisis for almost half that time. It is endemic to their nature.
We should have thrown our government (USA) out at least 7 times in the last 190 years too. Are we looking at a government trait here or a citizen trait ... or both? If you're "forced" to eat at a bad restaurant, who's wrong ... the restaurant or the customer ... especially if it's the restaurant forcing you to eat there?
'Every nation gets the government it deserves.' - Joseph de Maistre
Ameri-Greek citizenism?
I'm pretty sure the bulk of those arrears are from folks who are now insolvent, thanks to years of austerity. So it won't be collected.
Good job Europe! Way to go!
The Greek govt. SHOULD forgive it. Because that's what you DO with an insolvent borrower. If the Troika wants it collected, let them go door-to-door and see if they can collect it themselves. Just remind them that austerity has also required you to cut back on your security forces, and that you have no idea how many guns your people have, but you're pretty sure there are at least a couple dozen floating around out there...
Crete was caught without its fighting male population in spring of 1941, when the ELITE German Paratroupers were decimated in the fight to take Crete. British Officers REFUSED to arm the locals, even then the locals decimated the Germans.
Here is a sample of what's in store for TAX COLLECTORS.
Instead of collecting bogus taxes from people who had nothing to do with this bullshit they go after tha past leaders and politicians and bankers that robbed and stole and raped the country and take all their shit. Then tell all the banks that made shitty loans to countries through corrupt politicians "go fuck yourself". That woud ake care of all they owe and all's well. Just elect politicians that say, "go fuck yourself" and you'll have guys that are doing the right thing.
Too late! That horse has left the barn long ago! Hopefully some day the world will return to responsible government for the people by the people! In the meantime expect the 'caring & sharing' socialist visionaries to spend or destroy the last vestiges of hard work, prosperity & propriety! It is what paracites do in order to survive!
Was the money the banks gave to the Greeks actual depositors money..... or the fractional thin air shit.
Or what was the ratio of money to 'money'??
Anyone??
It hits the tax payers balance sheet ...on the 'right handed side!' Its real whether it was printed or not!
Hmmm, another graph based on wildly made up numbers...
If Greece wanted to really put it to the Troika & EU masterminds they would default, create a hard-asset backed currency, restructure their financial services system, decimate at least half of their bloated public service & create a safe protected 'low/no tax' juristiction for corporations & individuals & watch their economy & standard of living soar!
Yes, just pay the public service what the private sector can generate. A new rather quaint concept called 'living within your fucking means'
...... Ah yes ...of course.... government 'finance' doesn't work as a normal business..... (emphasis on 'doesn't work')
Maybe some day? But sadly many believe governments can + do create jobs & wealth! Many want to live off omnipotent government but fail to understand it is government who lives off them! The key is to kill off the bloated public beast before it kills us!
Income tax is theft. simple.
"Greeks consider taxes as theft," which, among other things...
IS TRUE
howaboutdat
"normally taxes are considered the price you have to pay for a just state".... The Greek state does not fulfill the previous statement... as simple as that
Come'on; the near universal solution to underpayment is to extend tax holidays and exemptions to the richer-sort, who have figured that paying taxes was for, hmm, you and me. Greeks are not untaxed, they are under lawyered (sadly, not a joke).
the Greeks are lazy, stupid and irresponsible....they want to work 30 hours a week....retire at 50.... and have a full pension or three. They are just the 1st example of how regoddamndiculous the world has gotten! Just paper over it and move on....this will last for another 50 years!
the Greeks are lazy, stupid and irresponsible....they want to work 30 hours a week....retire at 50.... and have a full pension or three. They are just the 1st example of how regoddamndiculous the world has gotten! Just paper over it and move on....this will last for another 50 years!
for someone that uses a Greek word in his name I would expect more love for my kind...but I dont blame you though as we have done a miserable job in matching our reputation to the glory of our language and its contribution to your vocabulary.
How ever let me try to enlighten you with some facts that are "ignored" by the media you consult and shape your opinion...
early retirement is a lie, what is a fact is that one AND ONLY ONE..section of the Greek work force has the right to retirement after 25 years of service, this is the "uniformed sector"..army, police,nurse etc. basically if you join the army at 20 years old and serve for 25..boom you are entitled to pension at the age of 45...that however represents a very small amount of people. The rest is age 65-67 no matter what, and probably that has change now to 107 as there are no retirement funds...so dont stress we are paying back for it big time.
The truth about retirement in Greece is this..as a self employed individual you pay your own retirement fund, that is determined of what do you do. In my case I used to pay 400 euro per month (!!!) compulsory so I can have intimidate health cover and a pension. Compulsory as if I did not I physically will go to jail. I dont pay it no more as I watched my father who did for 40 years and now is getting a mare 400 euro per month as pension...can you imagine my return if I was to put 400 euro per month all my working life in one of your retirement funds? I would probably have Obama as my neighbor.
Also an other archaic fact in Greece is that there are probably 100 different goverment retirement departments and probably 3 dozen goverment medical cover ones...each and every one of them created for a different group of workers. Some of them HAD more political leverage and as such gained better terms for their members...for example the Journalist and Media retirement and medical fund/department had its members with better medical and earlier retirement standards, where the laborers where pretty much fooked. Top that up with the fact that a whole industry was created based on "daily retirment cupons" little stickers you got for every day you worked that acumulated to X amount and if so happened to be able to buy enough at the age of 50 you could retire...(!!!)
As such and again due to some we got that BS media fact that you believe today that we retire ate 22 years old.
Top all the above with the fact that even the dead used to get their pension paid monthly to corrupted bureaucrats...well you get the picture if you have not given up reading this.
Thanks Chaos.
As everything else, this is a matter of view point...where are you sitting/looking from.
I'm a Greek citizen, and I pay a total of 18 taxes in my daily activities. Do you pay that many?
I pay a tax for my balcony, I pay a tax for the National TV broadcaster via my electricity bill. Do you pay this?
The average tax return (citizen getting back money) time frame is 7 years.
My taxation system is dated (some of its articles and clauses) to the Byzantine era.
There is no comprehensive electronic platform to cross check information, never was one, and as such I get double charged as much as hide my income, capabilities from it.
Greeks are very hard working, do not believe and repeat that crap about us been lazy. You only have to look at that "1 dollar Greek" living at your American, Canadian or Australian neighborhood. He came there in the 60's with 1 dollar in his pocket,worked double shifts, his wife did so too and contributed to your economy...was he lazy? Did he avoid paying his taxes in your society?
All our lives in Greece we had to protect our selves from a hostile, archaic, unfair taxation system and until the day that is fixed we will remain the same.
No, but that $1 Greek left Greece because he knew he would have to in order to thrive. This is what countless thousands have done once again. Brain drain, youth drain, tax drain.......and as a result........down the drain.
This is what happens when people keep voting for jobs and more government for 30-35 years. 1 1/2- 2 generations have been irreparably damaged.
You are very correct in only one of your statements...we did vote for (some of us at least) for jobs. This has now ended, all these "customers" of the corrupted political elite of Greece that comfortably sat in a public chair for 30 years, sucking up public money woke up one day 5 years ago to see their pensions and retirement disappear, they are now rightfully paying for a lifetime of bad behavior. We have learned and that will not happen again.
the $1 Greeks left mainly for socio-political-religious reasons topped up with opportunism and luck of skills. In Australia a total of 158,000 Greeks imigrated over 35 years back in the 50s-60 and in the USA numbers are similer. The so called "brain drain" of the times was not so "brain" as they were mainly uneducated farmers and not so many as they altogether combined do not represent even 4% of the then populous.
All that drains you are talking about is media crap. There is an other size to it if you wish, its called "up skilling" as long as there is a return ticket to their flights one day.
Thanks for caring
The country got caught in a downward spiral of the government tricking the people while the people thought they were tricking the government. It is impossible to make anything work properly with such an approach. It is not very different in America today and I would say the trajectory is less than stellar.
As for the brain drain, well, uneducated or not, the people that left (mostly) made something of themselves. Even you said so. That requires some brains.
Well DUH. Taxes ARE theft. DO NOT PAY. And, of course, do not ask to receive any so-called benefits either.
(assuming you are talking to me)..I challenge you and anyone in here to show me one news item, one report where we (The Greeks) are asking for benefits, asking for loans, asking for bail out. We are ascking for quite the opposite, no loans, no money.
Since we discovered that our German educated, German related, German born, political elite had overborowed (see mid 2009) we have been asking for one simple thing...Justice.
We are not used to benefits as we never had any.
Well, then do what I've been saying...
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100% DEFAULT.
exit the EU [and euro].
declare Greece a "government free zone".
close all banks, which are just criminal organizations.
adopt grams of physical gold as your default currency.
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I don't know the details of what kind of scam the past several predators-DBA-governments of Greece have been pulling on people living in Greece, but I am 100% certain they've been screwing you to death (just like every pack of predators-DBA-government on earth).
But it doesn't matter. You've been royally screwed by all of them. So, stand up and say NO MORE. Say NONE OF THE ABOVE... or the below or sideways. Just say NONE AT ALL.
It should be clear by now that everything in mainstream media is a lie. I'm sure the characterizations of Greeks are too. Besides, THAT DOES NOT MATTER. Why? Because averages make zero difference. What matters is... that each individual enjoy/bare/suffer the consequences of his own character/decisions/actions, not the character/decisions/actions of others.
And the ONLY WAY that can EVER HAPPEN is... totally dissolve government. That is the only viable solution for everywhere on the planet, but given the situation Greeks are in, now is the perfect time to end the farce that is called "authority" and "governance"... and so let every individual declare independence and make their own decisions, take their own actions, and be BLOWN AWAY at how much better life is without the enormous disaster that is predators-DBA-government.
it is heart warming to read foreigners that can actually think. Your ways are a bit "brutal" but rest asure they do reflect what is in the Greek mind and has always being.
You have to remember that "credit" and "banking" as we all know it now its only a less then 20 years experience for us. Before that none existed in Greece, not even McDonalds or PizzaHat or MasterCard etc.
None will exist soon again
your five points of advice:
1. We have defaulted but they will not accept it.
2.Given our last 30 days experience the idea of exiting both has now become the majority amongst the public..we are ready to go.
3.Judging from what "government free zone" means in this world governed by the anomaly you call "democracy" I dont think we want to do this. All these Arab nations shooting each other are also "government free zones"..no thanks. But I tell you what we will do, we will vote-in a 100% Communist regime, fundamentally that is not much different to Socrates's teaching if done proper. I know its hard for you to understand what I mean now but you will in about 30 years from now.
4.We are working on it, but we will not close them, we will simply Nationalize them and allow only representations of foreign banks, not operating branches.
5.As much as I would love to, its not clever as the metals are controlled again by others.We will do something better we will go back to our drachma that can be devaluated by us and return to our good (not so) old ways of a cash society.
thanks for caring.
Just a few random comments to your reply...
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Democracy is one form of slavery. Reject ALL slavery.
Far, far, FAR and away the majority of individuals who "shoot others" are predators-DBA-government or thugs hired and directed by predators-DBA-government. So the notion that a world or nation or geographic area with "no government" will have more killing is totally absurd. What makes this even more absurd is the FACT that those predators-DBA-government who feel you are not safe without do not stop shooting, they almost always arrive long after any shooting is over, and mostly just act like big shots, hassle and abuse innocents, write pointless reports, and charge you three arms, two legs and a foot for every minute they pretend to help you.
I'm sure you have good intentions, but you need to learn the most obvious fact history teaches. And that is, every single time that people allow any fictional "institution" like "government" to exist, the very worst human predators will ALWAYS gain control of that fiction, pervert it like crazy (into the opposite you intended and/or opposite it began), and run roughshod over those it claims must comply with its orders and prohibitions. This has always been true, and will always been true. If you submit to any predators or fiction, you WILL BE enslaved and you WILL BE abused. The only way to not be abused is to take control of your life, and let everyone else take control of theirs.
Because the propaganda is endless, and historical precident is endless, humans have a very difficult time visualizing what a government free world or "nation" looks like. But that doesn't mean a government free world or "nation" is bad, or cruel, or inefficient, or anything else negative. Maybe the following visualization of how "government" could and probably would be eliminated in practice will help you visualize more precisely, and perhaps make you more comfortable with the idea.
The transition between "government" and "no government" is one simple change. Every government program (that you apparently feel you need) remains and continues to operate. The only difference is... what? Simple. ALL "government services" become voluntary. In practice, this simply means "all those who want each government service pay the subscription fee that is required to provide the service". In some cases the government could offer different levels of service for different fees, just like insurance companies do, for example. THAT IS ALL. You now have "no government". Why do I say you have "no government" when every "government service" remains available? Simpe. Because the only difference between a business you might operate to provide services and a "government service" is... you cannot force people to subscribe to your service. So that's the ONLY fundamental change you need to make. A few other obvious requirements are: each service must be self-financed, namely limited to whatever revenue they collect from subscriptions... PERIOD... no exceptions; any individual who harms anyone while "providing" these services is fully responsible for all damages they cause and must provide whatever compensation is required to undo the harm they caused; no individual or public freedom can be limited to only those who subscribe to a "government service". For example, you can't build a road and then say "only subscribers can travel on the portion of earth where roads were laid". Why? Because that involves one group of individuals STEALING huge portions of earth, for which no justification can be provided. And the same principle applies to freedom of speech, travel, trade, privacy and so forth. Overall, only a few services need to be modified to become fully voluntary, the most "problematic" of which for most people is the road situation I described above. But in practice you WILL find that [individual-operated] businesses WILL BE willing to pay to build and maintain roads in order to move supplies and products around, and everyone else will benefit. And to a degree, everyone will pay for the roads indirectly, because the cost of building those roads will slightly increase the price of all products that require shipping of components or products.
The bottom line is, a voluntary world of human individuals WORKS vastly better than any scheme that permits involuntary mechanisms. This is true for many reasons, but the one fact that I mentioned before (the predators will always control those systems) is more than sufficient to justify total elimination of all involuntary systems. The fact is, every human being should immediately exterminate any other individual who attempts to enslave them, control them, prohibit them. That's called "self-defense", which is a behavior that is so grossly lacking in the modern times that human predators have an easy time of wholesale, mass enslavement, brainwashing and destruction.
A Greek Tragedy in the Works for SYRIZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdHxHbVgPg8
Feb 25, 2015 TheRealNews
There will be no Greek tragedy...there will only be Greek comedy. As I posted under an other article the next episode of the saga will be the voting-in of a full blast Communist regime. The official Greek Communist Party (none of this SYRIZA leftist crap) will be voted in as Government of Greece...that will throw a spanner in the works dont you think so?