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Putin Warns "We Were Ready" To Use Nukes To Secure Crimea
Having re-emerged from his hibernation, Vladimir Putin is wasting no time getting back to business. Having paced 40,000 troops on "snap-readiness," AP reports that a documentary which aired last night shows Putin explaining that Russia was ready to bring its nuclear weapons into a state of alert during last year's tensions over the Crimean Peninsula and the overthrow of Ukraine's president, and admitted well-armed forces in unmarked uniforms who took control of Ukrainian military facilities in Crimea were Russian soldiers. In the documentary, which marks a year since the referendum, Putin says of the nuclear preparedness, "We were ready to do this ... (Crimea) is our historical territory. Russian people live there. They were in danger. We cannot abandon them."
Russia was ready to bring its nuclear weapons into a state of alert during last year's tensions over the Crimean Peninsula and the overthrow of Ukraine's president, President Vladimir Putin said in remarks aired on Sunday.
Putin also expanded on a previous admission that the well-armed forces in unmarked uniforms who took control of Ukrainian military facilities in Crimea were Russian soldiers.
Putin's comments, in a documentary being shown on state TV, highlight the extent to which alarm spread in Russia in the weeks following Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's ouster in February 2014 after months of street protests that turned increasingly violent.
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In the documentary, which marks a year since the referendum, Putin says of the nuclear preparedness, "We were ready to do this ... (Crimea) is our historical territory. Russian people live there. They were in danger. We cannot abandon them."
The comments were reported on the state broadcaster's website after its transmission in the Russian Far East and before it appeared on the air in Moscow.
Putin said his plans for a Crimean operation started after Yanukovych fled.
"We never thought about severing Crimea from Ukraine until the moment that these events began, the government overthrow," he said, repeating Russia's contention that Yanukovych was the victim of a coup.
He said he called for a "closed opinion poll" of sentiments among Crimeans about whether to remain in Ukraine. He didn't give details as to how this survey was conducted, but said "it became clear that 75 percent of the general population desired to join Russia."
Russia initially denied that the unmarked forces who took control in Crimea were Russian, but Putin later admitted they were. In the Sunday documentary, he said he ordered the defense ministry to deploy military intelligence special forces, marines and paratroopers "under the cover of strengthening the protection of our military facilities."
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It appears the situation remains just 'dangerous' for eastern Ukrainians and thus, one can possibly infer, Putin remains 'ready' to use nukes if pressed.
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Frankly, Russia is the biggest country in the world. Why is Crimea so important ?
is that serious question?
can't believe....
Maybe i misread that...but it seemed to me that he said 'we WERE ready to use them'..(like...last year when the crimea thing was going on).
He didnt say hes GOING TO use them if... (whatever..whatever)..
(Although, he may)
I think alotta people like good propaganda. ..is what i think. ;)
Can't say I blame him. In no uncertain terms lets their "partners" know (who are used to fucking around with 3rd world Arab dictatorships) that we know what you folks are up to in the Ukraine and that we won't be trifled with.
Kinda like AmeriKa did and still does with those she mercilessly targets...until she bumps up against someone who can hit back. Then it's victim and fear propaganda all across the media, as in "we stand as victims of eeeeevil Putin with the people of the Ukraine."
Has Putin moved nukes into Crimea?
I would say yes.
You can be sure that his "10 days off" were spent in Sochi and Crimea.
While everyone was looking for him everywhere else but there - as intended.
Already onboard the Russian navy ships.Always were.
Mao 1.0: "Power comes from the barrel of a gun."
Mao 2.0: "Power comes from the tip of a MIRV."
Kirk 1.0: "Power comes from the tip of a Photon Torpedo"
For "Early 21st Century Man", that would be a "Railgun in orbit".
Putin" "we were ready to use da nukes, but.... but those evil american pigs elected obama rendering the plans to use nukes useless."
Reporter :" so you are saying that USA is able to take down russia's nukes rednering them ineffective?'
Putin : " of course not, but obama....., man like cheap lawn chair, always folding. no need to use nukes with that man. ijust do want i need and ignore his messages like all my ex-girlfriends."
Reporter: "awww vald you funny guy."
No doubt.
We need sober adults with a knowledge of history and culture in leadearship positions in the U.S. - not punk kids like we have now.
This is not a board game or a T.V. show.
what, twittering crap doesn't work?
Punk kids? Ok, that statement would indicate that you area at least 75 years old.......and grumpy. I can think of numerous adjectives to describe our dear leaders, but punk kids is not among them. Obama and crew are waaaaaaaaay beyond the punk kid stage, and fully into the genocidal criminal phase.
I think there is common ground for agreement here, as I'm sure that neither of you would categorize them as adults.
As well he might have done. The whole point of a nuclear deterrent is to make the enemy think twice before starting a war whose costs will exceed any benefits.
No, Putin won't abandon Russians if he can help it. Unlike prcatically all other world leaders (Bibi's the only important exception), Putin takes his people's welfare seriously. He will fight for them if he has to, without pulling punched. And he'll win---a conventional war in months at most, a nuclear conflict in hours.
Even Europe's banksters know they have no chance in a real war with a nuclear-armed Russia. They know the only way to hedge against a Russian victory against the Fourth Reich is to hold no assets with any exposure to Europe, at all.
That's why they're cashing out now (with Mario's help) and getting clear before giving Uncle Sugar the all-clear to turn Eurasia into a slaughterhouse while they watch the fun safe and sound. Having robbed the ancestral peoples of Europe of their inheritance, they'll finish by robbing them of life.
The real target of western Europe's nuke arsenals isn't Russia, by the way. It's the banksters' own European debt-slaves. If they can't stop Russia liberating Europe, they'll make sure there's no Europe to liberate. The plan is to leave nobody around who can contradict their claim that it was Putin destroyed western Europe and not Uncle Sugar.
Obama Meets With Top Russian Spy, Warns He Can’t Stop War
Federal Security Service (FSB) Director Alexander Bortnikov’s [photo 2nd left] recent private visit with President Barack Obama at the White House, in Washington D.C., grimly states that America’s leader has “privately advised” President Putin that a global war is nearing…and he “may be powerless to stop it”.
"....reported that Minister Sergey Lavrov had endured a nearly one-hour tirade from US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland who, among other claims, “raged” that former Vice President Richard “Dick” Cheney was in charge of the United States, not"
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1847.htm
Sorcha Faal is not site known for reliability and reality.
He is well known as a procurer of the best LSD though.
VOlkodav: "Sorcha Faal is not site known for reliability and reality."
edit: for credability tune in at CNN Wolf Blitzer et al...?
neither
both are terrible
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk
More commentary on the Crimea film. What finally became clear to me personally is that it was not the Western pressure which influenced Putin’s decision not to send the army into the Donbass. Now we can clearly see that when it comes to the Crimea, Russia’s resolve was demonstrated up to and including the “nuclear briefcase.” In other words, just try something, and you’ll be talking to ballistic missiles. This was improbable even during the best years of the USSR. It tells us that if a similar decision were to be taken concerning the Donbass, you’d see a similar operation, and there would be no clash with NATO—it would drift away.
The obstacle was somewhere else. This deserves close consideration, and not throw about phrases like “how is the Donbass less Russian than Crimea?” This is faulty logic at work, and it was never part of Putin’s thinking. The problem is somewhere else. Donbass is not a peninsula which can be blocked by cutting off the isthmus. If one sends troops into the Donbass, then the frontline becomes longer with every kilometer West, from the Black Sea to Belarussian forests. Therefore if one enters the Donbass one must march, as a minimum, to the natural border of the Dnepr, but that’s Poltava, Sumy, Chernigov, Dnepropetrovsk with their populations, a significant part of which had already been zombified into Russophobia. With every kilometer we’d get a less pro-Russian and more Russophobic (I know this on the basis of examples). The junta was able to sway people’s minds already by March, April, May, so that one could not expect a full support for the Russian Army even in the cities of the Larger Novorossia, not to mention Vinnitsa.
This is an important point which Putin underscored both earlier and at the anniversary of Crimea annexation: he based his decision on the potential support by the population. Crimea was fundamentally ready for the arrival of the Russian Army (it was already there, which made the task easier). But the rest of Ukraine was not. Even in Donetsk a large proportion of local “white collars” and housewives turned out to be Maidan support and ran away from the DPR and LPR. This is not a criticism of the Donbass, but the sad reality for which we are all at fault. Those who stayed on the Donbass paid for their choice in favor of the Russian World with blood, and there isn’t enough marble in the world for a monument to them. But the Russian Army would have had to march further than Donetsk, to Melitopol, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolayev, all the way to Odessa. There are lots of Maidaneks there. And even more people who very quickly accused Russia of aggression. Look at how people behaved in the border town of Sumy, where nobody is so much as stirring against the junta. Once again, it’s not their fault but ours in general, as is the pain and sadness.
Look at how much importance “tyrannical” Putin attaches to people’s sentiments and desires, even if those desires are imposed from the outside. Now we know for certain that the Kremlin was conducting opinion polls constantly and everywhere—in the Crimea, on the Donbass, in Russia concerning both Crimea and Donbass, and in the various regions of Ukraine. One can criticize VVP for this, but he does not want to do anything that does not have the support of the inhabitants of a given territory. He acts in a similar manner in Russia—he makes a decision only when the people are ready, or even more than ready, for it. I think that’s due to an understanding that the government’s actions are truly historical and make lives better only when they are based on the desires of the majority of the population. When the government and the citizens are acting as a united front, it leads to the government of the people (unlike democracy, in which power belongs to the 2% who are democrats).
Already in March Ukraine was not prepared to welcome the Russian Army as a savior. Marching only into the Donbass would have been a half-measure that would have escalated the conflict and put Russia in a dead end. The decision not to send troops into Donbass was painful and forced, but at the same time the most correct one. If one considers the reality, not desires. Life is like that. .J.Hawk's Comment: I suppose the corollary here is that already now the attitudes are shifting. Let's not forget that the Kiev junta promised Ukrainians the world in the most literal sense. Just topple Yanukovych and Ukraine will become just like Switzerland! I dare say far fewer people are thinking along these lines now that the true meaning of the "European choice" is becoming clear. But the fundamental point RM is making holds true: the Russian government (of which Putin is the Chief Executive--I doubt he has more personal authority than, say, Obama or Merkel or Cameron) is remarkably attuned to the popular opinion in matters both domestic and international. Popularity ratings like Putin's don't grow on trees--they have to be earned. Whereas in the West our Big Money-elected leaders are reliant on "optics", "messaging", and PR to cover up their unpopular policies, while at the same time blaming the voters (!) for failing to understand the policies that are being foisted on them. http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-...
Very good analysis.
which also means as more and more of the population gets an education over the next two years of what the USA objectives are - which are not human centric - coupled with an understanding that the Kiev Fascists with the Oligarchs - means death and starvation - they will continue to escape to Russia instead of the draft / conscript and then come back in force organized as freedom fighters and take systematically the land back from Karkov and the balance of the East to Odessa and declare another federated country separate from the north and the west
The USA and Nuland gets the Neo Fascists in the end
Poland waited 200 years to join NATO
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Now they are a peaceful nation with real borders
Except 100 years ago, Poland didn't even exist...
nor NATO
though looks pollack troll prophecy told of it...
inane
Around $1 million of CIA money given to Afghanistan via a secret fund was reportedly used in 2010 to pay the ransom for an Afghan diplomat held by Al-Qaeda.
Abdul Khaliq Farahi was kidnapped in 2008 while he was the Afghan consul general in Peshawar, Pakistan, just weeks before he was due to begin his new post as Kabul's ambassador in Pakistan, the New York Times reported. He was eventually handed to Al-Qaeda.
His release came two years later once Afghanistan paid Al-Qaeda $5 million in ransom. A fifth of that ransom came from a monthly-cash fund set up by the CIA, NYT reported.
http://rt.com/usa/241213-cia-money-afghanistan-alqaeda/
Bout time Putin shows some muscle.
When the first nuke leaves the silo, WWIII is 12 hours from being over.
...if that.
Everybody knows that what little power Obama has is in the domestic sphere and that he's a eunuch in foreign policy. If the military, the CIA and the neocons want to go to war, then that's where we're going.
Of course, they don't want a nuclear war and are betting that Putin won't go there.
Which is exactly why he said
That sent all the Obama administration nazis -- jew, black and plain vanilla -- slithering back to the drawing board to see if Putin was just kibitzing.
A while back I was happy to inform the readers here that Putin, having foreknowledge of the Keystone Cop Coup in the Maidan, chose to let the coup succeed and thereby have a Cakewalk in Crimea (a good name for his documentary).
If Mr Putin wants his version to be the acknowledged fact, who am I to argue with the Great Man?
I fully expect the Paid Puutie Puppies to express remorse over their continual denial that Russian military forces invaded Crimea. Of course, as long as the paychecks arrive it is unlikely that they will express any embarassment in being suckers for the Puutie lies.
They voted for annexation. Even NPR just did a piece about this.
With love,
Paid Spokesperson
Pretty hard not to occupy your leasehold.
Me I never doubted the green men were Russians. I just didn't care. If the disinformation knocked the bad guys off the scent and expedited the liberation of Crimea, fine by me. All's fair in war. And Russia is at war.
Oh, and by the way, if the FSB are reading this---put me in your pocket. I could sure use the money.
Your smart pills aren't working. You're still a moron.
Before and during the Maidan don't you think the Russians had a half dozen army and naval bases in Crimea that they leased from Ukraine? Full of soldiers and sailors?
The Russian military was already there. The Russian invasion was only driving out their bases and distributing chocolate bars.
Nincompoop
Well, if he's going to use nukes, he'll probably wait until a NORAD exercise...Success guaranteed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcArnepkhv0
The genetically engineered bionic Robo-Putin double has appeared after the real Putin was kidnapped and snuffed by US black-ops, and the Mission Impossible styled double is ready to "dance the Strangelove" in order to launch WWIII so as to distract the soon to be vaporized masses from the USA's final embarkation into currency hyperinflation ...
Just mentioning it now as we'll all be taking that one-way ride in the brass handled sedan by the time Wikileaks uncovers the conspiracy ....
1. putin lied that Russia Federation forces where not taking part in Crimea annexation and where not little green man - later admitted it was Russian Forces who where those little green man in Crimea
2. Now putin admits that it didn't matter what would be result of "referendum" done by putin regime in Crimea - putin was ready to use nukes to annex that Ukraine territory before fake referendum not recognized by anone else except referendum organizer - putin.
Seems to me criminal has gone mad and also confessed to his crimes.
Putin admits annexation of Crimea put in motion weeks before referendum Kremlin claimed until now that it was the referendum which prompted the region's annexation, the event that sparked a pro-Moscow insurgency in Ukraine.Reuters - Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he ordered officials to start work on taking control of Crimea weeks before a referendum which, the Kremlin has asserted until now, prompted the region's annexation from Ukraine.
Russian state television channel Rossiya-1 aired a brief extract of an interview in which Putin said he had called an emergency meeting in February last year to discuss the overthrow of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich hours earlier.
Yanukovich, a Russian ally, had fled to the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk after being forced out by anti-government protests.
"He would have been just annihilated... We got ready to get him out of Donetsk by land, by sea and by air," Putin said about his meeting in the Kremlin with commanders of special forces and defence ministry officials.
"This was on the night of Feb. 22 through to Feb. 23. We finished around 7 in the morning. And, while saying goodbye, I told all the colleagues: 'We have to start the work on Crimea's return into Russia'."
This account, broadcast on Sunday, appeared to be at odds with previous assertions from Russian officials that the annexation decision was taken only after the referendum on March 16, when Crimeans voted to become part of the Russian Federation.
The virtually bloodless seizure of Crimea - a Black Sea peninsula with an ethnic Russian majority and where Moscow has a naval base - was followed by a pro-Moscow insurgency in the east of Ukraine.
About 6,000 people have been killed in the fighting in eastern Ukraine. A fragile ceasefire, agreed last month in Minsk, has largely held so far.
Western governments have condemned Russia's intervention in Crimea as illegal, with the European Union and United States imposing sanctions on Moscow.
In the months since, Putin has adjusted his account of what happened. He initially denied Russian troops were providing security for the referendum, but later acknowledged special forces had been deployed.
Russian soldiers who took part have been given state medals with the citation "For returning Crimea", which give the starting date of the operation as Feb. 20, before Yanukovich was ousted.
Novaya Gazeta, a newspaper often critical of Putin, published details last month of what it said was a document presented to the presidential administration some time between Feb. 4 and Feb. 12 last year. It said the document described a plan to annex Crimea and eastern Ukraine. The Kremlin called the newspaper's report nonsense.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.646035
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It only seems that way because you're a retarded, round headed Latvian honeydipper. That is all.
oh no
They support occupied territories, settlements, and the invasion of Gaza.
Not to be trusted.
Dude, you are not going to win any arguments on this site quoting Haaretz. Better luck at the Guardian or NYT Or Bezos Post
So far in modern age only North Korea, Pakistan and putin regime has threaten people of world to use nukes in their agressive politic tactics.
Actually, the US makes it a personal crusade to constantly remind everyone that "all options are on the table" be it regarding N.K., Iran, Russia or even ISIL.
Now, coming from the only entity that has ever used nuclear weapons against a civilian population - in peacetime, no less, as Japan had already surrendered - any such threat from the US is orders of magnitude more serious than any similar statement from any other power that only seeks to defensively defuse a situation.
I was talking about modern age - show any quote where US president threatend to use nukes.
Ummm.... that's what the whole "all options are on the table" thing refers to.
No potato for you.
No you idiot they just used them.
Just killed hundreds of thousands.
Look up Nagasaki and Hiroshima - if you can read.
Cold War strengthened the USSR and the USA & NATO even as the USA started questionable Financial & Budget Procedures, Took on habit of exponential Federal Budget Growth, and Dropped the Gold Standard Completely.
Now how do we measure US Strength?
- National Stock Piles
- War Reserves
- Military Readiness
- Dominance over % of the Globe
- Dominance over Sea, Air, Land & Space
- Oil & Gas Energy Reserves and Cost
- Affordable Housing, Food, Transportation, Education, Health
Maybe we measure Federal Strength by the number of Big Buildings, Government Agencies, Intelligence Agencies, Secret Weapons, Technology, Secret Bunkers, Emergency Plans
But seems they want everyone to Believe the US Strength is in our USD, the Ability to Grow the Federal Budget Every Year, Our Welfare Spending, SNAP-EBT Spending, Health Care Spending, Cost of University Learning, the Cost of our Houses, the Pay of our US Executives (Public & Private), or the amount of USD we can spend in Useless Wars over 1000 miles from CONUS and which have no Real Achievable Goals or Missions that are accomplished.
Saber Rattling gives Putin Power and makes his people more Communistic, Slave-like, and take lower wages or face inflation.
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You forgot our most important strength: our debt!
"A national debt, if it is not excessive, will be to us a national blessing."
-- Alexander Hamilton
Still, I gave you a +1 for getting all the other great strengths of the Land of the Free>
Thanks. Looks like a dirth of open minds here.
Maybe if I said Gold Reserves instead of National Stock Piles there would be more pluses.
Hamilton was the bankers man...
Volkodav boy did you get that right.
"As Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton was the primary author of the economic policies of the George Washington administration. Hamilton took the lead in the funding of the states' debts by the Federal government, the establishment of a national bank, a system of tariffs, and friendly trade relations with Britain. He led the Federalist Party, created largely in support of his views; he was opposed by the Democratic-Republican Party, led by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison; it despised Britain and feared that Hamilton's policies of a strong central government would weaken the American commitment to Republicanism."
Looks like he was a Bankers man and maybe an agent to Britain.
No wonder I have to ask if we are run by the UK and fulfilling British Colonialism and Trade Policies.
Free Trade (slave trade) and out sourcing overseas and Offshoring Production is just like British Nebobs, Traders, would set up. Just like British Offshore banking for the Elite.
Imagine New York - China Town - there are many Chinese speaking people - so they get around in few blocks and vote that now in the middle of US - there will be little part of China in US. So now China sends in it's little green man to have "referendum" where some Chinese speaking people will vote that from now on - these blocks will be part of China and not US.
Is it legit? I don't think so... ou and only China will recognize that "referendum" as legit to add these annexed teritories to China... in the middle of US soil.
And if US tries to stop this "referendum" than China is ready to "defend" it's new teritory with nukes.
People has "spoken their will"... yeah... right....
both silly comparison and has no application - the property was RUSSIAN - the word Ukraine means - Border - not country!
The people are involved in a revolution of historical Russian territory - Chinatown however - in lower Manhattan- was always in the USA to include before 1776!!!!
1. Russia Federation before putin regime was created - signed border deal with Ukraine by recognizing that Crimea teritory is Ukraines teritory not Russia Federation
2. Now putin regime admits it was using special forces to annex Crimea and was ready to threaten world with nukes - just to be able to steal Crimea.
3. Just because thief has stole Crimea, it doesn't belong to the thief. Crimea will go back to Ukraine - you will see that.
Ah, viedorklis, you are such a funny little kazu draazejs. Never fail to make me laugh.
The thief that stole Crimea was the Ukrainian Premier of the USSR, Nikita Krushchev.
BTW, funny how the banderatarded Ukies pull down statues of Lenin, when it was Lenin himself that first drew up the Ukrainian borders and pronounced it a country.
yes Lenin, and then changes for political power
is like gerrymander? to redraw regions for political leverage...
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don't hold your breath, nitwit
Russians don't care what you think
go crawl up the real troublemakers backs pissant
and if you really mean what you post,
there is still time elist to be first wave to hit the beach...
so falk off from here and get some training...
Crimea River. Your side lost. Folded before the first play. Nobody cares about the losers. Your team is only good at killing and raping women and children. When it comes to fighting the Uki army is the worst fighting army in the last century
You are boring us. Cut some cheese to go with your whine and shut the fuck up
Being as Putin is a product of the empire that gave us Chernobyl, no doubt we wouldn't mind creating a few more radioactive forbidden zones.
Be more careful what you wish for, pal.
France alone has 59 nuclear power stations that our masters plan to have melt down catastrophically as soon as the Russians make it to the Rhine, no Soviet involvement necessary. They'll just pin it on Putin later.
"Russia initially denied that the unmarked forces who took control in Crimea were Russian, but Putin later admitted they were."
Yawn...no Rusisan army(Unmarked forces) in Eastern Ukraine also according to Russia :D I was watching this documentary on Rossija 1 TV channel, they sent in special forces(not the Russian army that was legally there) to take control of Crimea.
Check out this material - good points that expose putin regime lies.
https://youtu.be/vAWpwRXmxP4
It didn't take too many brain cells to understand those were PROBABLY Russian soldiers of some kind or another.
Sheesh are people really that naive??
Well it was still unacceptable for many many here as they where/are either putin trolls or brainwashed by putin regime propaganda.
Now putin officially is pathetic liar.
They all lie. Most here aren't "Putin Trolls". People see a build up to war and its well documented that the Neocons from the US are pushing this. It takes two to tango, however. Tell that to th other "PRO NUCLEAR WAR TROLLS" and yourself that.
1. They - trolls - where and still are screaming "no proof! no proof!" even when putin admits it.
2. There was putin regime puppet in power who stolen away people wealth. People went into streets with legit reasons and demanded for putin puppet to go away - that was no CIA plot. It what people asked. putin was planning to occupy and annex many years before yanukovych lost power - have not you learned that?
That's all fine and well. I protest my gov using the coup, whether fomented or periphery, to go to war. We have no biz being there. It's escalating. There are nukes. I'm concerned. That's it.
RisingSüdi, Latvian potato troll, said
...after the Crimean authorities requested assistance.
No potato for you.
PUTIN CHANGES NAME TO ESCAPE US SANCTIONS
Vladimir is now called Ras, and sould be addressed as President Ras Putin.
Source: www.financialpaparazzi.com
Nuke Washington DC... I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!
Yeah, that's what I thought. You haven't got the minerals to nuke Washington DC. What kind of pussy are you Vlad? A real man would nuke Washington DC not once, not twice, but at least three times to a send a personal statement on his manliness. Dropping trou, bending a bear over for some sexy time and eradicating Washington DC... that's what it's about Vlad.... turning DC into a smoking, radioactive crater... you can do it bro.
WTF is wrong with you?
No kidding. How could he forget the City of London and Wall Street?
might as well drop by the vatican too if you're getting started
though as a canadian I'd have to get my own shit in order first, where do I sign Ottawa up?
Cory and Trevor's convenients store over in Sunnyvale trailer park has a sign up sheet.
Trolls busy today...
see what absence can do...
all that built up mental illness
They must have gotten fresh potatoes. A full bag !
I haven't seen this documentary in translation yet, so don't know the exact words used. But we do know that Ukraine had 20,000 trained troops in Crimea at the time of the vote. Many of these troops defected to the Russian Army. Many others took a free pass back to Ukraine. A few stayed in stand off for a long time, but finally left. I have heard that the Russian and Ukrainian forces did not come into conflict, though a few warning shots eneded up be fired. One thing I have heard that is in this documentary is that the Russian Forces, in the process of clearing Crimea of armed Ukrainian troops, upon entering the Crimean town of Feodosia on the Black sea coast encountered troops with NATO designations on their uniforms, meaning they were NATO troops, from one or the other NATO nations. It was reported that these troops threatened to open fire and engage the Russian troops sent to Feodosia. As of now, I can't confirm this story is in the documentary or how this confrontation was resolved, though I intend to track this down to it's limit!
Otherwise in Ukraine today, in a city occupied by Kiev's Army just north of the battle lines, in a town, a drunkern Ukrainian soldier drive his Armored Fighting Vechicle off the street and ran over a young girl and her aunt, killing both. The local people started a riot, set fire to the Ukrainian Army Barracks in a nearby school. Stoned Ukrainian Army vechicles in the street, overturned traffic police cars, and generally rioted. Shots have been fire, but it's not certain if deaths have happened yet. Reports are that Right Sector Nazi troops have left their positions and are making for this town to clear out the rioters. This has potential to turn very ugly. Do not expect any western media to cover this, though twitter accounts are reporting from the town and region.
Funny thing is.. you are full of shit and you know that:)
https://youtu.be/3vm0jgv525I
Always funny when this Latvian honeydipper tells that someone is full of shit.
I had heard of a Feodosia confrontation, but never looked into it.
I can source contact for if happened.
Link to second paragraph subject?
name city, village?
I tnik he is talking about Konstantinovka incident:
http://rt.com/news/241293-ukraine-army-konstantinovka-violence/
Not surprising that the driver of the armored vehicle was drunk. The first thing the Ukies do when invading a town is loot the liquor stores.
got it,thanks I had not time prevue news today
Kostiantynivka is very anti Kiev before, now more...
Authorities authorized to live fire on citizens is given ok,
but Maidan thugs in high violence burning killing Berkut, Yanuk was not to touch....
I assume you are not talking about this incident, oops : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_leB32IQKFY
Love to add you to my blog roll if you have a site, Jack. Your insights are always compelling on Uki stories. Thanks
This AP report is terribly out of context and makes little sense either deliberately or due to poor translation.
Will watch the documentary tonight and see what he really said.
Russia has no desire or intent whatsoever to "invade Europe". Anyone who imagines otherwise has been grossly misled by mainstream media clowns. To sloppily compare "Europe" to "Crimea" or even "Ukraine" is grossly misleading and disingenuous.
Anyone who doesn't keep the context of events in mind has no way to understand what's happening. While that includes me to some extent (I haven't read much on the supporting past history, or on the finer details of the current USSA executed Ukraine coup and farce), the fundamental facts are important to remember and consider.
Like... the USSA has been closing in on Russia everywhere they can, putting more-and-more military assets closer-and-closer to Russia as time passes. Russia has not been doing the same to the USSA, though that was probably a huge mistake in retrospect. Russia should have loaded Cuba up with boatloads of nukes in response, leading to a negotiated pullback by both sides.
Having been too benevolent for too long given the incessant aggressive moves by the USSA, Russia eventually HAD TO draw some lines. Without a doubt, and supported by votes of the Crimea population (most of whom have Russian ancestry), Crimea was the most reasonable place to start. And remember, this is AFTER the USSA orchestrated a coup against the elected (albeit corrupt) leader of Ukraine.
But what leader of any country is not corrupt? Anyone who thinks a corrupt leader "is a valid and sufficient excuse for the USSA to organize a coup" must be forced to admit that it would have been EVEN MORE legit for Russia to organize a coup in Ukraine and thereby take over the entire country, not just Crimea and the far eastern region that is primarily Russian and pro-Russian.
Which means, everyone who takes a pro-USSA position on current events in this area (including the coup) is inherently WRONG and CORRUPT. Or at least too lazy to consider the most fundamental facts.
On the issue of nukes, many people are being completely irresponsible and disingenuous to take phrases like "put nukes on alert" and attempt to equate them with "actually nuking somewhere" or "Russia has plans to invade and take-over Europe" (which appear in messages before mine).
The USSA has MANY TIMES threatened to "put nukes on alert" or even "nuke places". Of course, as always, the "leaders" of the USSA love to play world games rather than be clear for all to understand. For example, while USSA leaders do sometimes mention nukes and nuking other countries, they generally prefer phases like "no options are off the table". This explicitly means nukes, and everyone knows this explicitly means nukes. Yet... if you are a "team player" and "they are the good guys" in your opinion, then ANYTHING they do is A-OKAY with their mindless supporters.
Those of us who may SEEM to support Russia or Putin sometimes... typically DO NOT. However, it may sound that way because we understand who the more crazy, corrupt, dangerous and disingenuous predators are, and they are the neo-cons who control the foreign policy of the USSA.
When we look at the actions of these two parties, the neo-cons who control the USSA at the moment are massively more crazy, corrupt, dangerous and disingenuous. Most of us who are sometimes claimed to support Russia or Putin are doing no such thing. We are looking at each event, each action, each statement from both sides, factoring in the previous events, actions, statements from all "sides". And we simply respond with a judgement of who is being more reasonable and who is being more corrupt, dangerous and disingenuous.
And BY FAR the "bad guys" have been the neo-cons in control of USSA foreign policy and mainstream media propaganda.
The USSA has purposely and intentionally CREATED the current problems. In the general sense, they've been methodically moving more and more military forces closer and closer to Russia for many years. If anyone had been doing anything similar to the USSA for so many years, they'd have been nuked years ago.
Russia has not been responding to this purposeful aggression, perhaps due to the gradual "boiled frog" approach where no single step is huge. Which is where this coup in Ukraine comes in. This was both an "egregious act" by the USSA and in an extremely touchy spot for Russia from both historical and strategic points of view.
And so, this was THE appropriate place for Russia to "draw a line in the sand". Anyone who attempts to be objective (rather than automatically route for their perceived "home team") and understands the basic dynamics of what has been happening for many years, HAS to understand why Russia and Putin almost HAD to take the actions they did.
Remember, the people of Crimea (and much of eastern Ukraine) overwhelmingly voted to ally with Russia. Since the EXCUSE (but not real reason) for the invasions of many places in the world by the USSA has been "democracy" AKA "voting", the USSA is being utterly and completely disingenuous and grossly contradictory of their own actions and propaganda to object to the actions taken by Russia.
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I can't be certain, but I'd guess that most people in ZH who are being called "pro-Russia" or "pro-Putin" are actually not "pro" any "leader" or any fictional "nation". My guess is, they are simply "calling them as they see them", and trying diligently not to be swayed by propaganda from any side or any one.
The USSA of today is the most dangerous and most evil empire the world has ever known, and is getting worse at an astonishing pace. As such, any rational or benevolent human being should prefer "they lose" in any aggressive action they take... against people elsewhere in the world, as well as against people in their own fictional "nation". In any battle between two predators, it is natural and rational to hope the less dangerous, less aggressive predator prevail... if only because later they may come after you, and facing a weaker foe is definitely preferable.
As far as I can see, the predators-DBA-Russia, including Putin, are not a serious danger to anyone outside Russia. In contrast the predators-DBA-USSA and the predators-DBA-neocons in all western countries are an extreme danger to every honest, ethical, productive, benevolent human being on the planet.
As strange as it seems from a historical standpoint (and it does seem strange), any rational human being should fear the predators-DBA-Russia vastly less than the predators-DBA-USSA-and-neocons. And so we do. That doesn't mean we will back every action and statement any "Russian" makes, because we will assess each action and statement on its own merits, and in as full a context as we can given whatever knowledge each of us has at the moment.
Remember. It is Russia who is being pressured and attacked (especially economically at the moment), not the USSA or other western countries that are foolish enough to consider the USSA an ally. One might note various actions that indicate others also understand the egregious nature of the actions being taken by the USSA. For example, rather than ban Russia from SWIFT, they gave Russia a new seat on the board that controls SWIFT. If Russia was so clearly an aggressor, why would events like this occur?
A stunningly beautiful summation.
Putin and his intellgence prove again to be irrelvant. Had to hibernate in order to build "hype" just so these statements would be given any attention.
Russia doesn't act. Russia only reacts.
Russia had one whole year to prove itself a superpower by rebuilding Europe's structural problems and still its only gains have been from the use of force in Crimea.
My only advice is to keep buying gold !
managing to constantly slip out of the western Axis' grasp and keeping the world out of global hot thermonuclear war is a feat of 21st century geopolitics (so far) to which Putin contributed in no small part. Acting thusly he has shown himself to deserve more respect than all NATO-aligned leaders combined.
Your demands are in total disregard to the situation on the ground. You try to rebuild Europe when foreign powers are painting the psy/black-ops 3 layers deep to undermine your country, economy and culture, facing aggressive expansion of NATO-western axis on most fronts, sanctions thrown under the wheels, and then having to face the massive hasbara of the west's combined mediatic powers....
Seriously, that Russia managed to avoid getting pulled in a hot war is already an impressive piece of statecraft. The only thing that could impress me more is a pacifist getting elected in Israel and managing to act on his vision (and not get assassinated for it).
Why is anyone surprised the Russians acted over the Crimea.
One of their main military bases and almpost certainly one of the main reasons for the coup.
I would have been amazed had Putin let them get away with it.
And I am extremely heartened by his statement that nuclear weapons were/ are on the table.
I sleep better at night knowing that the crazy neocons and yanks will have to pay some price for world hegemony.
If they can get it past Vladimir Putin.
But,but,but American Exceptionalism
Vicki gave out cookies!
Crimea River
I bet Obunghole wishes Putin had stayed hidden
Quote: "We were ready to do this ... (Crimea) is our historical territory. Russian people live there. They were in danger. We cannot abandon them."
That's something that should have been done when the Soviet Union was breaking up in 1990. Since then ethnic Russians out of Crimea have infected eastern Ukraine.
Eastern Ukraine is Russians, much more productive than other regions.
Was Russian before borders changed by Soviet and renamed to Ukraine
Do not blame Russians for what Lenin, Stalin and Ukrainian national Kruschev did for leverage political power
took the western pollack regions, former Polish lands poles are not "ethnic Ukrainians"
Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation
Ultimate control over their daily lives s has never belonged to the people who lived within "borderland"
but power arrived from outside the country as it does exactly today.
So, it's long past the time that Ukrainians have their sovereign nation.
Putin is the last defender of Christianity in the world.
He is the only one who can get this pschyo-half breed in the White House to back off.
Look at the US: bullshit econ numbers, illegals taking all of the jobs, the blacks getting poorer by the day.
Only Putin can save the world. He is not perfect but he is all we have right now.
It is easy for Amerikans to lose perspective when dealing with Russia. For an Amerikan, they imagine the horrors of war and all the Amerikan soldiers killed in the long mult-year wars in Korea and Vietnam. In WWII in Russia, there were more deaths EVERY THREE DAYS than Amerika had in the ENTIRE Vietnam War or the ENTIRE Korean War. Let that sink in - every week during WWII the Soviet Union had more soldiers and civilians killed than Amerika had in BOTH the Vietnam and Korean Wars.
So the idea of dropping a couple Russia nukes and obliterating tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians is not as 'off the table' for Russia as it is for Amerika.
That said, I did not read anything in the article that implied Putin was anywhere close to pulling the nuclear trigger.
The 'West' does not have an army capable of invading (or stopping) Russia - with the exception of the West's own nukes. Trading nukes, even tactical ones, removes the Russian army's numerical advantage.
So since Obama sucks people here don't mind to be nuked. OMG things must be really bad in the USA lol