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Interstellar? Scientist Warns Earth Is Now Halfway To Being Inhospitable

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"The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and showing its resilience, but for the first time ever," warns Swedish environmental professor Johan Rockstrom, "we might shift the planet from friend to foe." As RT notes, Rockstrom explains there are nine "planetary boundaries" in a new paper published in Science – and human beings have already crossed four of them.

 

As RT reports,

Environmental science professor Johan Rockstrom, the executive director of the Stockholm Resilience Centre in Sweden, argues that there are nine “planetary boundaries” in a new paper published in Science – and human beings have already crossed four of them.

 

Those nine include carbon dioxide concentrations, maintaining biodiversity at 90 percent, the use of nitrogen and phosphorous, maintaining 75 percent of original forests, aerosol emissions, stratospheric ozone depletion, ocean acidification, fresh water use and the dumping of pollutants.

 

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Rockstrom’s planetary boundary theory was first conceived in 2007. His new paper reveals that because of climate stability, which began when the Ice Age ended 11,000 years ago, a planetary calm helped our ancestors to cultivate wheat, domesticate animals, and launch industrial and communications revolutions. But those advances have strained the stability of the planet, and Rockstrom says we have broken four boundaries: too much nitrogen has been added to ecosystems, too many forests have been cut down, the climate is changing too quickly and species are going extinct at too great a rate.

 

Speaking to RT’s Ben Swann, Professor of Ethics Bron Taylor from the University of Florida said that we have accelerated the extinction crisis through deforestation and ocean acidification, a development which is driving species to extinction.

 

 

“[Human] beings have increased, even from 1925, from 2 billion – which is considered to be a sustainable population for human beings, according to northern European consumption standards – to 7.2 billion at this point,” he said.

Where's Matthew McConaughey when we need him?

 

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Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:45 | 5913133 gmak
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All of those limits are arbitrary.  Why 350 ppm and not 400 or 300?  It's very easy to draw a line in the sand behind someone and state that they crossed it.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:48 | 5913141 Buckaroo Banzai
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Almost like there's an agenda at work. Or something.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:38 | 5913256 logicalman
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Just because there's an agenda at work, doesn't mean there ISN'T a problem.

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:54 | 5913151 TomB
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Yeah the dinosaurs did pretty fine with CO2 levels of 2000ppm until a big old asteroid wiped them out.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:09 | 5913191 Billy the Poet
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Well there you have it: CO2 attracts killer asteroids. The science is settled.

Sun, 03/22/2015 - 00:11 | 5913339 Colonel Walter ...
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Good one BTP.

But let's not rush to judgement and say the science is settled, because I think we need to get you some government grants so you can study your hypothesis.

Would $1 or $2 million be enough for you to look into this for all of us?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:37 | 5913248 trulz4lulz
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An indoor greenhouse functions quite well at 1200-1300 ppm. At some point  Co2 levels get too high and plants stop converting it to energy, but it won't hurt the plants. It can suffocate humans though. Use proper ventilation!!! But anyway....

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:30 | 5913599 FredFlintstone
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Humans get sleepy at 1,600 ppm

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:49 | 5913660 trulz4lulz
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(Yawn.....)

 

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:49 | 5932178 MeelionDollerBogus
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Invalid example.

An indoor greenhouse has irrigation pipes or a person bringing water in; a world suffering excess heat has no such assistance and all the rain patterns change leaving crops to die without water or cooling.

It's the HEAT which kills the plants and the high heat MUST come with the high CO2.

What are you going to do, build new irrigation and air-conditioning for all crops on Earth?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:51 | 5913289 Gordon Freeman
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Meh, asteroid, schmasteroid...

These idiots can't tell if it's going to rain in Stockholm tomorrow, let alone a few million years in the future

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:51 | 5913982 AchtungAffen
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Dinosaurs != todays fauna. Most if not all of it would not be able to survive in such an anvironment. Stop with the false equivalents.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:49 | 5913142 kchrisc
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I'm scared! Someone hold my hand and send more of my $$$ to the pols, crats, and Zionists. Especially Gore. He'll save us.

Summary: "Oh please!"

The banksters need to repay us.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:55 | 5913144 JustObserving
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Iraq and Afghanistan are inhospitable today due to 2400 and 1000 toms of depleted uranium being dropped there. It has a half life greater than 4 billion years.  Maybe in 20 billion years, you may want to consider moving to Iraq or Afghanistan.

The Nobel Prize Winner has made seven countries inhospitable to life with his bombings - Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Ukraine is well on its way to being inhospitable.

Unluckily, his coup in Venezuela in February failed.

The Nobel Prize Winner is a gift that never stops giving.

Iraqi Doctors Call Depleted Uranium Use “Genocide”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/iraqi-doctors-call-depleted-uranium-use-gen...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:52 | 5913145 DaveA
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Either we cut our population by 90%, or nature will do it for us. And I'll take nature, thank you, over whatever government eco-bureaucracy this author is or hopes to be employed by. Nature has done this job for four billion years and has proven herself quite adept at it.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:11 | 5913197 Billy the Poet
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Malthusian drivel.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:53 | 5913297 Gordon Freeman
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Got that right--how many fucking times has "nature" wiped out 90% of all life on Earth???

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:59 | 5913314 logicalman
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About 5

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:27 | 5913590 Mayer Amschel R...
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Fuckin human scum!!! We should reflect on our past CO2 transgressions against Mother Nature.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:15 | 5913869 logicalman
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Give me control of a planet's CO2 and .................

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:30 | 5913386 DaveA
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Millions of times it has wiped out 100% of a particular species.

Maybe we'll get away with a 10% cull after this fiscal Ponzi collapses; it's nature's call, not mine.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:06 | 5913147 oudinot
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I still can't believe that almost every person believes thatn either:  humans are causing global warming or there is no global warming.

Well here is the real answer, its both.  Eighty per cent of the phenonmena  is inevitable  earth cycles that nothing, no one  can stop: anyone who studies even a smidgon of geologysees  that the earth's climate is cyclical-presently we are in a warming cycle coming out of an ice age 10,000 yeras ago.  One of the biggest 'global warming' events are when huge ice layers because of the warmth,  get thinner huge methane gases release, sometimes explosively, that is much, much worse than puny car emmissions.

Feeding cows corn, grain which their stomachs are not designed for causes burping, farting creating 'global warming'; easy to fix, feed the cows grass as we have done for thousands of years and it is beeter for us.  That would help on the margin but only delay the inevitable.

Unfortunately, there is no solution (and certainly not a 'carbon tax') to 'global warming'- the earth will continue its planetary, solar cycle whatever the politicians, scientists think to the contrary.  

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:18 | 5913219 begintowin
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There could be some truth to the 'cow thing'.

Just the other day I witnessed a group of cows had just finished feeding on GMO corn at the trough and were lounging about in a nearby field. I had to cut across the field to collect honey from a beehive when the cows started up their methane production.

Before I could clear the field I was overcome with lingering fumes and started to get woozy in the head. I went down on one knee, unable to stand. Just before I blacked out I swear I heard the cows snicker amongst themselves one of which mooed, "The whole farm knows not to be near us after we eat. But no, not you. Stupid upright."

This is a true story.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:52 | 5913498 Grouchy Marx
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"...I heard the cows..." you must be from Colorado, and those fumes - did they also give you the munchies?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:49 | 5913811 Mad Cow
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Sucker

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:26 | 5913232 TNTARG
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Furthermore, we probably are just a stage in the Earth's evolution. Other species got extinction and Mankind wasn't there to cause anything. The Earth is gonna keep living it's cycle until it ends long after we'll be gone...  Don't you think?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:53 | 5913817 Mad Cow
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I've seen plenty of evidence of devolution and extinction, but not evolution. But alas, I'm just chewing my cud and fartin like a moo fo.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:22 | 5913884 logicalman
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Humans have this thing about feeling important.

There are more stars in the observable universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.

The earth is an insignificant entity orbiting one of those (the sun is a fairly average star)

You are one of approximately 7 billion examples of your species.

Feeling imortant yet?

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:50 | 5913487 Grouchy Marx
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"...there is no solution...", really?

We just need to engineer GM cows that don't gas.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:53 | 5913149 venturen
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I am more worried about the leftists and their cronies stealing our future. The weather will take care of itself. Calidornia is inhospital now as is NYC

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:56 | 5913154 cpnscarlet
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Tyler -

Are you really asking me to go away? That's the upshot of publishing this type of crap that I can get at MSNBC any day of the week.

"Zero Hedge" implies financial news that goes contrary to mainstream thinking and investment advice. PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC.

PS - Are you guys have money issues? I would rather see a plea for donations everyday than seeing an article like this once a lifetime.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:53 | 5913303 Buckaroo Banzai
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I appreciate occasionally finding articles like this on ZH. As someone who is almost completely cut off from conventional lame stream media, it's good to scrutinize their propaganda from time to time.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:00 | 5913318 logicalman
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You have to look at MSM some of the time, just to know what the buggers want you to think.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:15 | 5913352 Automatic Choke
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I'm with cpnscarlet.....stick to finances.  This used to be a good site, and occasionally still is, but don't keep diluting it with claptrap.

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:53 | 5913991 AchtungAffen
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You're completely cut off from science too 'tseems...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:47 | 5913469 Grouchy Marx
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The article is related to investments, peripherally. This article lets you know that you should be short humanity.

 

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:55 | 5932160 MeelionDollerBogus
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This is one of the most important topics possible - if you don't understand this you need to learn it not deny it.

Going away is denial and denial is failure.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:01 | 5913155 dizzyfingers
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Great to see that someone's paying attention to this. I have hope though:

MANKIND'S LAST CHANCE?
In case you missed it, this is a TED talk by Alan Savory, "the man who killed 40,000 elephants," in a misguided attempt to save the grasslands. NOW SAVING GRASSLANDS AND REVERSING DESERTIFICATION.
http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change?language=en

THEN CHECK OUT OTHER GOOD NEWS, PBS SERIES, EARTH, A NEW WILD, HERE: http://www.pbs.org/earth-a-new-wild/about/

P.S. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO SCIENCE AT ALL, CARBON  DIOXIDE IS REQUIRED FOR ANY PLANT GROWTH AT ALL NO CO2, NO FOOD!!! PRAY FOR CO2 TO HOLD OUT AGAINST IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:38 | 5932147 MeelionDollerBogus
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TOO MUCH CO2 WE ALL STILL DIE.

Thanks for the caps.

When CO2 rises and heat rises all our food crops die off. You can't live off pure oxygen, plants can't live off of excess CO2.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:58 | 5913161 q99x2
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You want to save the planet then stop Lloyd Blankfein.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 13:59 | 5913163 Surging Chaos
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If something will fuck up the environment, it'll be Fukushima. Radioactive waste is very, very real.

I still can't believe that Tokyo is going to host the 2020 Olympic games.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:09 | 5913175 JustObserving
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New images show all melted fuel is “gone” from Fukushima reactor — Experts: Molten core may have reached outer environment, can’t tell if fuel is still contained — Official: “We presume fuel still in containment vessel… but we need to check one day” 

 

Published: March 20th, 2015 at 10:52 am ET 

http://enenews.com/images-show-fuel-gone-fukushima-reactor-presume-fuel-...

And it's gone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:41 | 5913265 logicalman
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This has to be wrong.

TPTB wouldn't keep something as important as this a sectret!

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:07 | 5913333 knukles
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Nuke the Japs!  Er... wait.... They're doing it themselves, already.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:00 | 5913168 venturen
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by the way the Antarctica has RECORD amounts of ICE. if things are so desperate...why aren't building nuke plants....they are the ONLY source of dispatchable CO2 power. THE ONLY SOURCE!!!

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:11 | 5913725 Raging Debate
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Venturen - Correct, this is the physics of displacement. What Archimedes discovered long ago in his bathtub. The earth shifts on its axis roughly every 26,000 years. The water from North pole melting and freezing at South pole.

They slaughtered Pythagoras, jailed Galileo and mocked Copernicus. I would call some of you people dumb but I have flattened my ego. Your ignorant. Google the 'The science behind Interstellar ' as a starting point.

Thanks for the poll for calling me nuts. It verified 2/3rds are ignornant and have conducted no real research. Such is the way of our species. Most scientists with advanced evolutionary theory that has had prelimary decisive conclusions been called nuts

Just keep proclaiming we're all doomed. Fear makes for great ad click revenues. Google thanks ZH members for the ad revenues.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 21:12 | 5914376 Oracle of Kypseli
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<<<<<The earth shifts on its axis roughly every 26,000 years.>>>

You can actually calculate that by reading nautical charts. They give the angle of navigational correction between true North and magnetic North and the rate of the annual increase. At the extreme (20% in Maine), you take the current angle and the per/year increase and you can calculate when the magnetic pole will be in the equator. Double that and the full reverse is there.  

However, sometimes it reverses itself due to subterranean geological changes. So then, we will never know.

Sat, 03/28/2015 - 12:12 | 5936997 Flakmeister
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The magnetic pole has nothing to do with the precession of the rotational axis...

\facepalm...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:05 | 5913178 heisenberg991
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I push my car to work ten miles roundtrip so I don't use any carbon. Just doing my part.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:42 | 5913270 logicalman
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A bicycle would be a lot easier.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:15 | 5913184 TomGa
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I stopped reading at "climate change."  Waiting for everything else to be chisled into some "Swedish Guidestones" somewhere.

 

The story of Chicken Little is timeless for a reason.  

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:52 | 5913294 zilztrain
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I stopped reading your post at "I stopped reading".

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:42 | 5913451 Grouchy Marx
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I didn't read your post at all.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:08 | 5913187 One And Only
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If you're reading this you have what...50 years? We're all dead soon anyway, life is a terminal condition. The planet will get hot and cold long after my ass is dead. Forget it.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:59 | 5913826 Toxicosis
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So should we just fuck it up that little bit more so that future generations can suffer inextricably due to our desire to stretch the limits of present consumption.  We used to want to make the world a better place for people so that attitude says fuck them I got what I want, who gives a shit about anyone else.  If that is your intention, the Bravo!!

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:09 | 5913190 skbull44
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Infinite growth on a finite planet...what could possibly go wrong?
http://olduvai.ca

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:10 | 5913193 Jason T
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Human Emissions Saved Planet

Over the past 150 million years, carbon dioxide had been drawn down steadily (by plants) from about 3,000 parts per million to about 280 parts per million before the Industrial Revolution. If this trend continued, the carbon dioxide level would have become too low to support life on Earth. Human fossil fuel use and clearing land for crops have boosted carbon dioxide from its lowest level in the history of the Earth back to 400 parts per million today.

At 400 parts per million, all our food crops, forests, and natural ecosystems are still on a starvation diet for carbon dioxide. The optimum level of carbon dioxide for plant growth, given enough water and nutrients, is about 1,500 parts per million, nearly four times higher than today. Greenhouse growers inject carbon-dioxide to increase yields. Farms and forests will produce more if carbon-dioxide keeps rising.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:12 | 5913198 Consuelo
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I wish these elitists would simply lay it out on the table instead of going to such lengths, tieing themselves in knots in order to justify their not-so-cleverly-cloaked position on de-population.    Just say it: You want less people on the planet, and you want it NOW, so that You can enjoy the bounties of the planet ALL TO YOURSELVES.    And then let the chips fall where they may...    Hey - look at it this way dear Swedish Meat-Ball, you'll get what you always wanted, with the added benefit of You yourself being a direct Participant...!!!   Shall we begin...???

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:28 | 5932116 MeelionDollerBogus
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You fell for it!

The elite want more people. 20 billion.

The more slaves the better. They need no more than 2 meals a day and a 30 year life span.

The less slaves there are the weaker the elite are.

The biggest trick they ever pulled is to make you believe you should make more slave-babies to "fight" them.

What fools.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:12 | 5913199 Incorrigible
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Made up thesis that human survival has set the Earth on a course of collapse is an argument for the culture of death.

Interestingly, leftists who believe stuff like are also less likely to procreate, so maybe the argument has its own circular cure. Believers in rubbish don't have many children so they halt the growth of the human race they despise.

 

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:21 | 5932090 MeelionDollerBogus
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There are no leftists - only deniers and provers. The entire left-right paradigm is a hoax.

It is nothing more than a puppet show to entertain toddlers and retards.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:13 | 5913201 Fun Facts
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Carl Sagan warned us.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:16 | 5913207 kchrisc
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As for the "Global Warming/Change" scam:

The earth's mean radius is about 3,959 miles. About 99% of the earth's atmosphere, by volume, is below 60,000 feet (~12 miles). By adding that 12 miles to the radius and working thru the math, one finds that the volume of the earth’s atmosphere from the surface to 12 miles is 2,370,706,688 cubic miles. .039% of that , or 924,576 cubic miles, is carbon dioxide.

Now mankind burns 3 to 4 cubic miles of "fossil" fuels a year. Assume 100% of that is carbon dioxide, it isn't, but just assume it is for simplicity. 3 to 4 cubic miles a year isn't even a rounding error in the above numbers.

The banksters need to repay us.

 

“It's all bullshit, folks and it's bad for ya.”
? George Carlin

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:49 | 5913284 Kraut
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Just one word: Density.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:40 | 5913438 Grouchy Marx
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Did you include the outgassing of liberals in your calculations?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:47 | 5913472 Flakmeister
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Wow...

Contact the Heartland Inst and write a paper with Willie Soon and set shit straight...

Exxon has a 7 figure check with your name on it...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:53 | 5913501 kchrisc
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Sort of funny that every time I post this hard math and science comment I get massively down-arrowed. Either a lot of Kool-Aide drinkers here, or many don't like numbers and math?!

The banksters need to repay us.

 

((Pols + Crats) * Funcs)^Zion) = Death

Sun, 03/22/2015 - 00:43 | 5913562 Flakmeister
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Hard math and science?

You have to be fucking kidding me...

Then again a high school level calculation would appear hard to you...

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:19 | 5932086 MeelionDollerBogus
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but it's NOT a hard math comment because you're not noting the precise levels at which we lose our food crops.

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:16 | 5932071 MeelionDollerBogus
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It's more than a rounding error: when the difference pushes up from 350 to 400 parts per million for CO2 it literally kills our food crops and kills us too.

These numbers are GIGANTIC but you pretend they aren't.

What's next - compare your blood-volume of water vs a lethal dose of cyanide and say "it's so small it's not even a rounding error!!"

It will still kill you.

The banksters are the cause of global warming as this keeps them rich and you poor.

The only way the banksters can repay us is if we admit for true and real that global warming is a fact and end it.

To deny global warming is to suck the cock of every central banker with glee.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:18 | 5913217 Raging Debate
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Interstallar is a great flick if you haven't seen it already. They got inputs on the quantum science for the movie from Kip Thorne of Cal Tech, one of the lead quantum theorists.

When I got a little more time I'll email Kip my journal and an entry from January 2013 where I stated "Ghost from space, BOO! Operating in 5D and 3D simultaneously." I emailed it out to a couple colleagues a Chemist, a retired Nuclear Physicist and a couple family members. The journal documents an experiment I did in December 2012 where I created a singularity using only a PC as a tool and the side effects after.

It qas quantum tunneling using a pair of electrons. How i ionized them is a bit of a secret for now. I traveled through 4D then 5D and back again.

The two family members thought I was nuts, the two scientists went hmmm.... Wait till I show my journal to Kip Thorne he is going to cream himself. I emailed the journal so I would have proof as a timestamp of these things. I can assure you, we are all eternal in various forms but there is no heaven or hell in a classic form of what people believe.

We are very close to the end of our evolution. Within 100 years we will transform at will to energy and travel interstallar but spaceships will be irrelevant. A few here will think I am nuts and a very few know exactly what I am talking about.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:42 | 5913255 Zoomorph
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<<< He's nuts.

<<< Within 100 years we will transform at will to energy and travel "interstallar" (sic).

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:53 | 5913298 blindchicken
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 "It qas quantum tunneling using a pair of electrons. How i ionized them is a bit of a secret for now"

Ionizing a pair of electrons? Really a bit of a secret..

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:57 | 5913309 Gordon Freeman
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The word is that the Brown Acid going around is not particularly too good, but it's your trip, so be my guest...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:17 | 5913483 Flakmeister
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Kip Thorne's speciality is General Relativity and Cosmology...

Edit: This is coming from someone that has a copy of Gravitation on his bookshelf...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:30 | 5913237 Zoomorph
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Humanity's change = our environment's change. If you want humans to remain in the stone ages then you can keep your biodiversity. But good luck stopping all the humans who have different values than you....

Maybe you can dupe them all to get their "votes" on your side by spinning some emotional stories about how we're "ruining" the planet by changing it....

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:33 | 5913246 BlussMann
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Marxist Swedes ought to know about making inhospitable - they can't wait to turn their former Nordic Utopia into a Distopic Caliphate. Ignore a Swede, they are all menally disburbed.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:36 | 5913252 Sanity Bear
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I'm not sure what I'm more sick of, religious freaks posing as scientists, or religious freaks posing as central bankers.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:37 | 5913253 Sokhmate
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Arbitrary science 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:47 | 5913264 Zoomorph
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Non-science*. The scientific method doesn't say anything about inventing arbitrary boundaries/numbers OR passing judgement about anything. People who perform science in their day jobs shouldn't be referred to as "scientists" when they engage in such behavior after hours. And if their value judgements are passed in their field of study, all of their results and conclusions should be scrutinized as they are likely biased and skewed.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:41 | 5913268 homebody
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I took a shit in the front yard - there, fixed it

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:42 | 5913269 Pumpkin
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You know who else promotes fear?  Satan.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:45 | 5913273 Zoomorph
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Nah, Satan is a cool guy. It's God who promotes fear ("follow my rules or I'll torture you forever in Hell").

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:47 | 5913279 logicalman
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Religion promotes fear, as a means of control. Satan is just one of their ideas.

Governments promote fear, as a means of cotrol. Terr'ists are just one of their ideas.

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:55 | 5913292 Kirk2NCC1701
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The solution is simple: Kill off the Bottom 80%, using IQ and health as a criterion.

"Give us your dumb and sick Sheeple"

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:03 | 5913322 Zoomorph
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Hitler was on the right path.

But religious environmentalists want to have their cake and eat it too: 7B humans, preferably all with houses, cars, computers, running water, ample food, etc, AND no impact on our environment! They're primarily humanitarians.

What they desire is impossible by definition (when we change our environment changes by definition). They can control impact on specific indiators (ie. CO2 levels), but then they'll just be shifting the impact elsewhere in our environment. Out of sight, out of mind?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:05 | 5913536 Harbanger
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Hitler was an early environmentalist.  There was much written on the topic, search it.  It's not hard to see the similarities with Nazis and modern greenies.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:04 | 5913327 logicalman
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If you look at how 'bright' most politicians are, they'd be in the bottom 80%.

They are just bright enough to realise this, however, so they are unlikely to go for the idea.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:10 | 5913546 Harbanger
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Liberals not only believe they're smarter than most, they're also subconciously suicidal.  You'd be surprised how many would go for the idea.

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:11 | 5932052 MeelionDollerBogus
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Every 'american' is a 'liberal' by the roadside today!

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:52 | 5913296 q99x2
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The big bang gave birth to the sun. The sun gave birth to the earth. The earth gave birth to man. The man gave birth to the singularity. The singularity created the big bang. The big bang gave birth to the earth, and so on. I don't see the problem.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:05 | 5913299 Welfare Tycoon
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What the fuck is this shit? 

With all of the actual issues  we have going on right now in the world these arogant fuckheads claim to have number-crunched some abstract data to the conclusion that we are about to kill off all life on this planet?

To accurately determine such a thing, you would need something called a precedent. However, since we have no precedent of humanity wiping out other planets from emissions/killing the whales/some other esoteric bullshit, we will never be able to determine when such a thing will happen, if it ever will to begin with. This fuck stick of a human being and his ilk get off on moral vanity, nothing more. 

I would call myself a libertarian, but sometimes I have serious doubts about the whole mantra of letting everyone do whatever they want.

Sometimes I have a passing idea and think it honestly be a better idea to subjugate and oppress Environmentalists, "Activists", Femenists, Trans-genders and Social Justice Warriors for the sake of humanity and rational thought. 

And fuck Sweden. That nation is nothing but a bunch of pussy-whipped males, penis-envying females and die-hard leftists. I can't think of a single thing that that country has done to push humanity forward in any way, shape, or form.

If we come to nukes, Sweden should be targeted first as a courtesy for the people who live there in a perpetual state of self-hatred of their own existence. 

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:27 | 5913391 ebear
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Yeah, but they make nice furniture, so there's that...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:56 | 5913506 cheech_wizard
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Ikea? Are you referring to Ikea? Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth.

They are excellent at designing furniture. But the materials are cheap and it seldom assembles well.

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:51 | 5913668 Zoomorph
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I thought he was referring to women a la Solyent Green. The best type of furniture.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:32 | 5913410 JohnFrodo
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What if all the evidence that we are not the first advanced civilization on this planet is conclusive? Would that make you say better be prudent?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 14:59 | 5913315 joego1
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It doesn't take a scientist to know that if you keep shitting in your own mess kit you have a problem. Sooner or latter mother nature will do the population limit reset trick on humans and the problem will solved. You guys can argue about the science of it while mother nature watches us all swirl down the drain of time.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:01 | 5913320 Jacksons Ghost
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Here is BF on the "Consensus" the left keeps thrpowing into their weak argument.

"If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking."
–Benjamin Franklin

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:12 | 5913343 knukles
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One of my Progressive golf buds told me that only people who watch Fox News are the remaining climate deniers. 
I told him i didn't watch Fox News so it means that his science is not conclusive.

If Al Gore, the Progressives and the UN and it's constituent governments are pushing for it and demand the solution to be increased taxes, then it's a lie.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:52 | 5913495 Flakmeister
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Is this the kind of nonsense you say to yourself to make yourself feel better??

There is zero debate amongst the people who actually has a clue about the climate works about what is going on...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:58 | 5913509 cheech_wizard
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So you'll be martyring yourself for the cause in 3...2...1...

No? Thought not...

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:08 | 5913542 Flakmeister
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Nope...

It will be a collective drive off the cliff for all of us...

The difference is that I am not in denial about what is happening...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:15 | 5913560 The Wedge
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Ladys and gentlemen, the one the only, Mr. ad hominem himself...Flakymeister!

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:19 | 5913571 Flakmeister
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The above was not an ad hominem, just thought I would point that out...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:43 | 5913633 The Wedge
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Of course it was. You do it every time the Hedge posts click bait like this. You post the same rhetoric over and over. An ad hominem here a straw man there ad nauseum.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:50 | 5913981 Flakmeister
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Sigh.... you are truly a persistent twit...

 

 

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, means responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than to the content of their arguments. When used inappropriately, it is a fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized.[2]

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:08 | 5932041 MeelionDollerBogus
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Remember what I wrote before - these evidence-deniers will run rampant through the street one day with hammers, smashing in people's skulls with their "trooth" and callthemselves the Truth Bringers.

They are mentally fucked beyond all hope.

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:04 | 5932029 MeelionDollerBogus
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Most certainly it was not any kind of ad hominem

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:32 | 5913602 FredFlintstone
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There is zero debate because of Nazi jerks like you

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:44 | 5913634 Flakmeister
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.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:43 | 5913635 Flakmeister
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Hey Wedgie, the above is an example of an ad hominem...

Actually there is zero debate because the debate is over, just like no one really debates whether the earth is flat anymore...

Can you point to even one scientific paper that disagrees with the concensus that is not fundamentally flawed? Let us know when you find one...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:16 | 5913731 Zoomorph
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If you want to point out a scientific paper, maybe you can elucidate the null hypothesis being tested first of all. That the climate doesn't change? That humans don't influence climate change? That humans aren't the sole cause of climate change? That humans would find various other environments hospitable to us? That, at our current rate or acceleration of climate change, we would not hit such environments in such-and-such a time frame? Etc.

Once you get to whether climate change is good or bad, you've gone beyond the realm of science and into opinions, emotions, values, and heated debates between individuals with different ones. This is where you seem to simply declare that all debate is finished and everyone must agree with you.

But no, all debate isn't finished. First of all, I don't think we have a clear understanding of how we impact our climate and what the future will hold. We can make early predictions, but I doubt they'd have much accuracy. Second, many people simply do not agree with your preferred way to engineer our planet's future and have their own ideas.

By the way, the Earth being flat is a poor analogy. The reason that the Earth is considered round instead of flat is that that model of reality is more useful to us, and hence it was adopted long ago and is now thoroughly engrained. Whether someone considers the earth flat or round isn't much a matter that's going to affect anyone else's life. How we try to engineer our environment is very much a matter that will affect everyone's life as the government and police will no doubt be more than happy to force more rules on us.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:51 | 5913945 Flakmeister
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Yawn...

The Null Hypothesis vis a vis AGW has been ruled out at the 95% CL...

But thanks for the effort...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:53 | 5913989 pipes
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There is zero debate, because by definition, a debate would require two parties. The warmers have stuck their fingers in their ears and are yelling "NAH! NAH! NAH! NAH! THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED! THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED! NAH! NAH! NAH! NAH!"

 

Reality and reason have no place in such sophisticated scientific methodology.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:27 | 5913588 FredFlintstone
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I confided to a colleague a couple of weeks ago that I was skeptical of AGW. He then asked if I believed the world was round and a couple other similar remarks. I wish I could remember them. I just sat there and took it. Some are so confident in the information the world feeds them. I think some of it or most of it has to do with feeling superior to all of us mouth breathers, being part of the club, one of the cool kids and so forth. The fact is, I do not know one fellow mechanical engineer who is convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that 1) there is global warming and 2) if there was true evidence that man is the responsible party. We all took some chemistry, physics, calculus, differential equations, thermodynamics, combustion, heat transfer, mass transfer and fluid dynamics.

I mentioned this to exchange to one of my employees and he whispered to me to be cautious and to keep quiet about those types of beliefs. I will been seen as a looney, a crackpot. This guy was magna cum laude with a degree in mechanical engineering.

Our professors of engineering and chemistry were skeptics before Al Gore hit the scene. So I think it is peer pressure on campus. TPTB have done a good job convincing the world that only idiots do not believe is this concept. Just like they have each successive generation believe that only the uneducated don't put all of their money in the stock market. I can't even talk to my 20 something kids about dangers of investing in the stock without them feeling very sorry for having such an idiot father. They will have to learn for themselves.

So to all of you believers in AGW that had trouble with algebra, I give you a big FUCK YOU. Take it all in and gloat about how you are so fucking smart along with the inventor of the internet. Ha

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:48 | 5913657 Flakmeister
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Have your engineer buddies write a paper using data and analysis and physics that shows their argument has merit...

Otherwise, they are lying to themselves...

BTW: Arrhenius did the calculation back in 1896 or so, updated it 10 years later. His determination of climate senstivity to C02 is consistent with the current values... 

The science is fucking solid.....

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:38 | 5913789 nevket240
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If the science is sooooo solid Flunkmeister where is Trenberths missing heat???

Why is the Antarctic ice growing??  Why the absence of US hurricane activity? Why the growing list of criminal interference with historical records??

Oh thats right, the science is settled.

The climate has always changed, we, the thinking part of humanity have always stated that. hence our repulsion with trolls like you.

Your 'science' is a pseudo-religion  based on bullying and lies, schoolboy science at best. Ocean acidification is frogshit. the ocean is alkaline and its PH varies by region. Riddle me this, how can water that is warming, absorb so much CO2 when warming will expell CO2???  OH, the models, thats right, the models.  The results are templated aren't they??  The results are known before the settings are tuned . 

And why all the factual records of buddy review amongst the senior members of the fraud??  or the total lack of headlines in the media when their fraud is uncovered?? 

However my opinion of trolls like you and others like you is unchanged, criminals have no shame.

regards to your priests at the UN, GoldMan Sachs and Al Gore

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:39 | 5913953 Flakmeister
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In the Ocean, where ~95% of it ends up...

Yawn...

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 21:03 | 5932018 MeelionDollerBogus
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it ISN'T so why do you pretend it is?

http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/03/warm-arctic-winter-starts-sea-ice...

 

record LOWS.

 

Globe's been warming every year except 2013 didn't beat 2012 but 2014 beat both 2012 and 2013, but will you lie and say there's a 17 year pause in global warming even though there is no pause? We have thermometers, we can measure the warming.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:13 | 5913347 dondonsurvelo
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Garbage in, garbage out.  In the end we are all dead.

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:13 | 5913349 rejected
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This climate change crap is really getting old. It seems you there is no silver bullet to kill it. Are we all (except of course, for the uber amungus) supposed live in grass huts and shit in the woods. Oh NO! Living in grass huts would be environmentally bad and, I imagine, crapping in the woods would be worse. Looks like the only way to save the planet is to eliminate....... us. 

Of course all this can be avoided by taxes.... The Italians are taxing shadows so taxing breathing shouldn't present a problem. If you can't pay up then they just push a button to detonate the little device put in your brain when you were born.

Problem solved!

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:15 | 5913350 Chuck Knoblauch
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We need to thicken the ozone layer and increase Oxygen levels.

Then we can grow into giants and live for 500 years.

Release the methane!

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:16 | 5913361 dondonsurvelo
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Where's Matthew McConaughey when we need him?

Driving his big ass Lincoln, that's where.

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:24 | 5913382 Chuck Knoblauch
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A Carbon tax is the only answer.

Get back to work slave.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:29 | 5913401 Flybyknight
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Holy crap. You sure touched a sore spot on Zero Hedge there.

Methinks they do protest to much!

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:41 | 5913448 CHX
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ZHers are astute when it comes to finances, but as the majority of the world's population many do not have a clue about how thin the "ecological ice" is we walk on as a species, and said ice is melting fast IMHO. It's one of the few rubs I have with the community here. But we're all entitled to our opinions, so I stick to my guns on that one. Now let the down-voting start...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:14 | 5913707 Charming Anarchist
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The Global War-mongering Climate Change (tm) propaganda/scam/fad is NOT a scientific issue.  It does not take a genius to see that the "scientist-prostitues" are low-life sell-outs of the state whoring themselves for handouts. 

<<ZHers are astute when it comes to finances, but...>>

...I admit that after looking at all of the up/down-voting in this thread, there are clearly people here who are confused ---- like you. Either that or they are shills. 

The environmental hysteria/fad is 100% an economic issue.  Any man with 1/2 of a brain and at least 1 of his balls left can see it.  He needs only ask intelligent questions like: What is wrong with global warming anyway?

On the flip side, where I live in Canada could become a very comfortable place. Maybe people will come to Canada for their holidays. Maybe barren or frozen lands in Canada will become arable and habitable. Who knows? but they certainly can not get more barren and more frozen.

Now we have benefits and costs associated with global warming or climate change. This is no longer exclusively a scientific issue. Resolving the “problem” should be passed off into the hands of politicians and economists.

— —

The next time a “scientist” expects your attention in a discussion over climate change or global warming, simplify everything by taking a human caused doom and gloom worse case scenario for granted and ask him: How much of our standard of living would decrease in exchange for controlling global warming?

— —

If you successfully get a “scientist” to elevate the seriousness of the discussion, ask him who he would recommend to be the Enforcer of any hypothetical solution and what incentives could exist to make sure the Enforcer stays on course.

 

 

 

 

Follow the money and follow your supply chains. Poor people in 3rd world countries who are being raped and pillaged need to be left alone and free to live their lives as they chose. That will eliminate any and all climate problems, real or imagined.

As a non-aggression-principle-loving dreamer and a student of crockonomics, it is MORE than obvious to me that any (perceived or real; man-made or a rock with dynamic magnetic poles getting hit by the rays of a great big star) environmental problems is a direct result of statism, warfare and colonialism.  That is what the "scientist-prostitutes" want to obfuscate because they are welfare recipients of the same states that cause and perpetuate environmental problems.  As far as I am concerned, anybody who disagrees with me on this is either evil or mortally stupid.  I plan to teach my children such discernment and I encourage others to do the same --- their lives depend on that wisdom. 

 

Ask a Global-Climate-War-mongering-Change(tm) "scientist-prostitute" to explain how geo-engineering, the military burning of fuel and explosives enter into their bullshit models.  That is the trump card in this hysterical fad.

Sun, 03/22/2015 - 07:15 | 5914186 CHX
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@CA. What I said had absolutely NOTHING to do with global warming per se. There are enough other ecological time-bombs ticking... But again, just because you saw the words ice and melting in the same paragraph... I for myself sure am no shill or whatever. I just try to think for myself, and weigh the evidence as best as I can. And evidence for my theses I see a lot, and everywhere...

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 19:52 | 5931810 MeelionDollerBogus
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It is only science and never anything else.

Global warming is precisely measurable and completely provable and at this time, fully proven.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:34 | 5913415 Shitgum Suicide
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These climate scientists are so full of shit. If you even breakdown one of their arguments about sustainability the whole believe falls apart. Especially when you get them to contradict themselves with their own "data".

When you get them cornered the last response that they always have is, "if we're wrong then everything will be ok. If you're wrong then we are all going to die."

Just ask any climate nut two things-

1. What is the most abundant greenhouse gas on the plane?

2. What is the carbon cycle?

Their answers will prove these peoe have no idea what they are talking about. It's all feelings driven.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:34 | 5913417 Non Passaran
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Fuck off with that climate alarmist propaganda

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 19:51 | 5931803 MeelionDollerBogus
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Fuck off with your propaganda - what you oppose is measurable and provable science.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:37 | 5913432 CHX
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As a species, we're past zenith, heading for nadir fast. Earth allowed humans to flourish, earth will put an end to the lunacies we do collectively, sooner or later. All I know: We've seen much, yet we ain't seen nothing yet. The next few decades will be a heck of a roller-coaster ride in many aspects. And one way or another, we'll all hit the grave... Interesting times, while alive, as we face literally grave challenges. 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:46 | 5913467 Jano
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this is a call to reduce the world population.

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 19:49 | 5931797 MeelionDollerBogus
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It isn't and the world will do that to all species, including humans, without notice or permission.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:48 | 5913478 cheech_wizard
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I quit reading at number 1.

Read this instead.

http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/EngrCritique.AGW-Science.v4.3.pdf

Worth a read...

Our CO2 - starved Atmosphere 2 Note, the green life along the Nile river and the dead desert elsewhere. When co2 is greater in the atmosphere, plants need less water to thrive. When dinosaurs roamed we had 3 to 5 times current co2 and planet was nearly all green, pole - to - pole Near catastrophe when co2 declined to 180 ppm, since below 150 ppm plants, then animals die.

Swedish environmental professor Johan Rockstrom needs to have the CO2 sucked out of him.

 

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:05 | 5913535 Flakmeister
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Yet another fucking expert opines...

Expert at self-delusion, mind you...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:15 | 5913736 Consumer Farm
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ad hominem

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:41 | 5913958 Flakmeister
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Bzzt... Sorry..

Pointing out that someone is factually challenged is not an ad hominem...

Saying that being a Nazi makes them wrong is...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:57 | 5914010 Zoomorph
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Flakmeister obviously has no shame or he would've stopped posting here long ago.

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 19:48 | 5931793 MeelionDollerBogus
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Flak speaks only the truth; it's everyone opposed who should be ashamed of their vast stupidity and demand to be as wrong as possible.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 20:00 | 5914199 Consumer Farm
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ad hominem

1. Appealing to personal considerations (rather than to fact or reason)

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 20:18 | 5914255 Flakmeister
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Please elaborate on the "personal considerations" in the above....

We are all ears...

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:51 | 5913490 bobdog54
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So what all-knowing being, certainly no human, set the 9 distinct boundaries and specifications thereof??   

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:15 | 5913561 Fix It Again Timmy
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All I know is that shitting in your house cannot be a good thing....

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:21 | 5913575 Flakmeister
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Especially when the windows and doors don't open.....

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:24 | 5913580 Dr. Engali
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Holy crap. I haven't seen you post in a long time. I figured you got disgusted with this place and left.

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