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Germanwings Co-Pilot "Deliberately Destroyed" Airplane, Identified As 28-Year Old German Citizen
In one of the most chilling segments of this morning's press conference describing what was found on the cockpit voice recorder, screams were heard from passengers and crew as the realisation of what was about to happen struck them all. Prosecutor Brice Robin's findings state that when the German Captain left the cockpit - following what appeared to be - the 28-year-old German co-pilot (who was alive to the end) refused to re-open the door and began an "intentional", "controlled", and "steady" descent as he "seems to have sought to destroy the plane." Nothing indicates that this was a terrorist incident.
“At this moment, in light of investigation, the interpretation we can give at this time is that the co-pilot through voluntary abstention refused to open the door of the cockpit to the commander, and activated the button that commands the loss of altitude,” the prosecutor, Brice Robin, said.
He said it appeared that the co-pilot’s intention had been “to destroy the aircraft.” He said that the voice recorder showed that the co-pilot had been breathing until before the moment of impact, suggesting that he was conscious and deliberate in his actions. He said that his inquiry had shown that the crash was intentional.
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The descent was not a nose-dive and passengers would have been unaware until the last few minutes that anything was out of order...
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The last 30 minutes...
- *ROBIN SAYS INVESTIGATORS HAVE TRANSCRIPT OF LAST 30 MINUTES
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER ASKED CO-PILOT TO TAKE COMMAND
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER LEAVES COCKPIT, LEAVING CO-PILOT
- *CO-PILOT STARTED FLIGHT MONITORING SYSTEM FOR DESCENT: ROBIN
- *DESCENT COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN VOLUNATRY, ROBIN SAYS
- *COPILOT DIDN'T RESPOND TO CALLS TO OPEN DOOR: ROBIN
- *COMMANDER TRIES TO RE-ENTER COCKPIT BUT NOT ABLE: ROBIN
- *CO-PILOT APPEARS TO HAVE REFUSED TO OPEN DOOR FOR PILOT: ROBIN
- *COPILOT WAS ALIVE TO THE VERY END: ROBIN
- *COPILOT'S BREATHING HEARD TO THE VERY END: ROBIN
- *ROBIN SAYS C0-PILOT HAD NORMAL BREATHING, NO SIGN OF ILLNESS
- *CO-PILOT CAN BE HEARD BREATHING RIGHT UP TO FINAL IMPACT: ROBIN
- *FRENCH PROSECUTOR ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT REFUSED TO OPEN COCKPIT
The implications...
- *CO-PILOT SEEMS TO HAVE SOUGHT TO DESTROY THE PLANE: ROBIN
- *CO-PILOT APPEARS TO HAVE WANTED TO DESTROY AIRPLANE: ROBIN
Details on the pilots...
- *CO-PILOT WAS GERMAN CITIZEN, ROBIN SAYS
- *ROBIN SAYS HE HAS NO IDEA ABOUT PILOTS' RELIGIONS, ETHNICITY
- *ROBIN REPEATS THAT BOTH PILOTS WERE GERMAN CITIZENS
- *ROBIN SAYS THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE IN CABIN BESIDES COPILOT
- *ROBIN SAYS GERMANWINGS DESCENT WAS CONTROLLED AND STEADY
- *ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT HAD WORKED FOR A FEW MONTHS
- *ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT HAD A FEW HUNDRED HOURS OF EXPERIENCE
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER HAD 10,000 HOURS OF FLYING EXPERIENCE
- *CO-PILOT WAS 28 YRS OLD: ROBIN
The WSJ identifies the co-pilot as Andreas Lubitz...
The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday was Andreas Lubitz, 28, of Montabaur, according to a flight club where he was a member.
“Andreas became a member of the club as a youth to fulfill his dream of flying,” the LSC club said in a death notice on its website.
“He fulfilled his dream, the dream he now paid for so dearly with his life,” the club said. It said he was the co-pilot of the flight. A member of the flight club identified him to The Wall Street Journal on Thursday.
And finally...
- *ROBIN SAYS NOTHING INDICATES TERRORIST INCIDENT
- *ROBIN SAYS CRASH APPEARS AT THIS POINT TO BE `INDIVIDUAL FAULT'
Prosecutor: In the case of an individual's deliberate act, is the airline responsible? "That's another debate." #crashA320
— David Jolly (@davjolly) March 26, 2015
Horrific...
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The negative selection progress starts long before the White House and it's not the last 50 years.
I'd recommend to take a look at the members of the Warren report about JFK's death. The same persons were already active during WW2 with Psyops and in 1945, when they hired Hollywood director Gene Wilder to make the famous Buchenwald movie (YouTube search "Buchenwald dumb portrayal of evil").
Probably the Matrix is older and the truth more uncomfortable than people are able to accept.
For example the French revolution took place 1789. And the Illuminati connections are there. Who could really believe the story, that the developments in the USA were isolated events, if they were confessing freemasons and they placed their signs all over Washington?
Not so fast. That prosecutor is not a pilot, and is leaping to conclusions.
If the auto pilot was off for any reason, this is consistent with a seizure or loss of consciousness of the co-pilot. All he had to do was collapse forward on the yoke and everything else is explained.
600 hours is not an indication of a terrorist or a complete rookie. When we find the other black box, this whole thing may turn around. Hang onto your tin hats;)
Financial stress? Awareness that LH was going to re-organize Germanwings resulting in pay cuts?
Guess it wasn't a weather anomaly tearing up control surfaces after all.
Dude flew a perfectly viable aircraft into the ground deliberately. This is just unfathomable to me. If you had asked me two days ago what could have caused this, I would have guessed 100 things before guessing that.
Airbus doesn't have a yoke.
So what do you think happened? I see many possibilities.
Good grief, Charlie Brown.
The world's worst way to open a door.
You can see that the door procedures do not anticipate the possibility of a pilot gone suicidal. Oops.
The data recorder is not forthcoming in a titanium box and now this "german" pilot scapegoat doesnt make sense nor the override for a entry code not available
I DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING - THIS IS ONE MORE CONTRIVANCE
Not your typical blond headed Kraut, now is he?
Was his nickname was Mohammad?
BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM
"Open the fucking door Mohammad"
...could be heard on the voice recorder, but was left out due to....well.....hm....
Im wondering if there were any 'bigwigs' on this plane that the govt may have wanted dead. Ive not heard any passengers' names, as of yet.
Hillary(!)'s illegal email server hard drive might have been on the plane.
Add it to the Arkancide list!
I was thinking the same thing...
Bob, I'm not convinced you've even flown on commercial aircraft, let alone know anything about piloting them.
Wrong answer, in order to descend without increasing airspeed someone pulled back on the throttles to keep airspeed on descent relatively constant.
This was controlled.
If he had a death wish, why not just nosedive straight into the ground?
He didn't want to feel uncomfortable in his last moments. It would have been a negative G experience which can be fun for some but not for most.
Especially when your colleague is hammering against the door, you probably will not extend the coffe break to 10 minutes. You probably would also get a high pulse and breath faster.
But hey, since the prosecutor has a transcript and can hear breathing from a transcript, only tinfoil hats can raise their stupid questions.
a GUEST of Fox called it terrorism.....try to keep your hate in check.
Seriously, dude. Try, will you?
You mean in.
Does it really make any difference at this point?
Hugs.
Hillarity
Time to get rid of commercial airline pilots altogether.
The last 4 air disasters have all been pilot error or pilot related.
Time to switch over to fully automated flight systems now.
The technology is now available to get rid of pilots , lives will be saved and the airlines will save an absolute fortune not to mention having a shit whilst looking out of the front windows of an aircraft will be one fantsatic view !
I thought it was Russia.
Technology is now available to execute "man in the middle attacks" to remotley fly airplanes and blame pilots...
But who benefits from this?
I see it as a tragic loss. There is no political edge.
Unless further evidence materializes which suggests otherwise then I will err on the side of Occam.
The simplest explanation is the best explanation.
Besides... That voice recorder would have had that co pilot screaming his head off if it were a remote hijack.
So Occam's Razor applies here, but not when trying to figure out who was most likely to kill Nemtsov, huh?
That's some interesting 'logic' you've got, Bob. :-)
Excuse me?!?
And when have I EVER addressed the murder of Nemtsov?
So what is Occam's Razor in Nemtsov's case?
Or do you have some conspiracy to sell us?
You are an idiot. Take a couple of flying lessons, and get back to us on what might happen.
Somone is ALWAYS flying the aircraft. I want that guy's butt to be in the cock pit. The last things I would trust are some lard assed tech weenie on the ground, or a recently fired programmer.
Actually a 6 year old that can read numbers and letters and wear a headset could take off a plane from London and land in JFK no problem. Ever heard of automation ?
Yes. I've also heard why too much from spoiled children.
Aw . . . the tech weenie.
They direct drones now to kill people they don't even know. Just like the video games they played when kids . . except for the blood and crying.
They invent horrible weapons just for the 'intellectual challenge' because it's 'kewl'.
Whether a PhD or a lowly tech, they have that same naive faith in 'technology'. And they can't imagine that a situation might arise in which the inexperienced geeks didn't know enough to write It into the program. Their arrogance knows no limits.
Like the knuckle dragger blind order followers in the military and police, such tech geek weenies help empower the psychopaths running this world
90% of pilot training is recovering from emergencies. Flying itself is automated. The troubleshooting is not.
Try telling that to the families of Air France 447 , again another pilot fuckup which would not have happend had there been full automation.
Precipitated by a technical error in the air data system which the computers could not handle. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I am sorry kaiserhoff. You trust remote flying everytime you board a commercial jet.
The ground can activate it if the crew is incapacitated. That crew is there to make sure that if something out of the ordinary happens then they can take care of it.
These new commercial jets are so automated that it would blow your mind.
Did you know that they recently reduced Plane Separations from 5000 feet to 1000 feet when planes are on approach? (That amounts to SIX SECONDS separation...barely enough time for a human to assess, plan, and react!!!)
They could do that because of the computerization.
Times have changed.
Just so, but humans still matter. Remember the landing in the Hudson.
Someone has to see and react to things like icing, engine failure, and tease the stews.
I am not suggesting that humans don't matter.
The stewardess need to be serviced after all.
Seriously it has become more automated as the volume of air traffic has increased.
It is a far different game than when you and I were kids.
And that was a miraculous landing by Sully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZwsVdfZ7Bg
Sorry Tom, this is incorrect.
You might be confusing FBW with remote control. The pilot's control inputs override all others. No pilot will fly an aircraft that works any other way.
Also, six seconds is an ETERNITY! Lots of time to respond (or begin responding) to just about any emergency, including a near miss.
Have you done any flying before? (Most of my time was in military helicopters - so my knowledge might be skewed in some ways.)
yes, so instead of a madman or a terrorist taking out 1 plane, they can hack the automated flight system and take out 100 planes on the same day.
you wide-eyed utopian dreamers never cater for human reality do you?
It is actually blockchain technologies which holds the key to these fully autonomous sytems , and it will happen , using an autonomous mesh net.
That's fucking hilarious Dude;)
Autopilots were fucking hilarious in the 50's , so were traffic lights , automatic train signalling and self driving cars. All hilarious until it actually happened.
The same nitwits who advocate remotely flying the plane can't wait to tell you how superior digital currency is to relics like gold and silver.
Typical that spin this around and bring that up. But Naa, gold is far superior. Didn't you know that can send it to the other side of the planet , in unlimited quantities , in less that 3 seconds , and with zero border controls ? And with silver you can actually do that in under 2 seconds.
Yet no one has explained to me how something bought with fiat (based on nothing & with no real value) - would itself have real value. In the case of a global fiat collapse, any derivative of that fiat would also collapse.
All such instruments are a Ponzi scheme that rely on the con-fidence of the users.
In addition, the vast majority of the public must rely on others to evaluate such instruments. Not many people are PhDs in Computer Science with experience in such programming. We don't know and can't really know the nuts & bolts of the mathematics and computer science involved (block chain, etc). So we must trust what others tell us. Many do this and think they truly 'understand' these instruments.
I don't have to be a PhD Automotve Engineer to drive my car. But, I have many decades of driving experience and people have been driving cars for more than a century. - Gold and silver have a history as money going back thousands of years. The explanation of why it became the preferred commodities used for general intermediate exchange in the West is well developed.
Digital currencies such as Bitcoin may be great. I don't know. And, no one has addressed the issues I mentioned to my own personal satisfaction.
Did you really just say that? You don't know how someting bought with fiat would itself have real value? Every buy food wth fiat? How about real estate? Maybe a firearm, mediciine?
@Abaco - I said 'real' value. That is, they are valued for themselves, rather than as the result of forced use enforced with violence.
'Value' comes as a human judgement, of course.
All 'money' is an intermediate means of exchange, but this is the difference with real commodity money. Money is not necessary in a pure barter economy. And in a true End of the World scenario, it's likely that food & water (if scarce) may not be traded for PMs or anything else.
Check out economist Murray Rothbard and his works on money.
"... no one has explained to me how something bought with fiat (based on nothing & with no real value) - would itself have real value"
first, forget that term, "real" value. if you are thirsty in the desert, how do you value a glass of water? how do you value it when swimming in a drinking water lake?
valuation is personal. I value your vintage car 20'000 bucks, you value it 10'000 bucks... we'll perhaps trade it with a "market" price somewhere between those two numbers
if there was something like "real" value... trade would not happen the way it does
second, fiat money is the IOU of a sovereign, or an alliance of sovereigns. it works because of the goodwill people have in them. it's a question of trust, and funds, and taxpayers
your problem in understanding this is that you don't have that trust. which leads back to the question of personal valuation. the same you would experience if you try to pay with gold coins in some places, or paper cash in others
@Ghordius - I know about 'value' and I addressed this above.
Didn't want to write a whole book on the subject, and others have done a far better job than I could hope to do.
Refer to Austrian school economist Murray Rothbard
P.S. - you think fiat is valued out of 'trust' ? To an extent that is true. It does require a certain level of CON-fidence. That works fine when the economy and society are under no real pressure.
If you don't think the fiat is enforced and based on violence, - just try not paying property taxes with the 'legally" declared fiat.
In the USA the laws establishing the federal reserve fiat money system and income tax were enacted at around the same time. You should be able to figure it out. - Foreign nations who indicate they no longer want to use the USA fiat dollar are invaded. - naw . . . No violence backing at all.
On the other hand, people have never needed to be Forced to accept gold and silver.
I am for free competition in monies. It seems that the trust factor might be more effective in a very small community where there was strong social stigma for not filling your part of the bargain.
And WHEN have I ever advocated the use of ANY Digital Currency?
In fact I argue against the use of all digital currencies...especially BitCON...and specifically against having any faith of confidence in the US Dollar....which is mostly digital.
Gold is superior as it has a Universal Demand and is not subject to counterparty risk....when you possess it.
@Tall Tom - the post was actually directed to crazytech or anyone who might address the two issues I mentioned.
Actually, I'm not 'against' Bitcoin. It would be great if it has the benefits that are promoted. But, no one has yet cleared up my questions regarding it. They just say 'block chain" as though they truly understand it from looking at a promo video.
My response was directed at Iofera (AmerikanPatriot)
Hope that clears up any confusion.
As to the issue of the Blockchain its size also grows exponentially with every transaction. Soon the Blockchain will be 2 Gigabytes in size. (Currently that would be a FOUR HOUR DOWNLOAD at my downlink speed.) I do not know your data transmission rate...
But the point is that the rate of growth of data transmission speed when compared to that of the rate of growth in the size of the Blockchain will make it unfeasible for BitCON to have any future.
The initial architecture is inherently flawed.
Aaron has a great video on his YouTube channel which describes this inherent flaw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfeA94BedQI
@Tall Tom - thanks for the reply. These threads can get confusing as they get longer !
As I said, I don't know if Bitcoin is 'good' or not.
Many of us are familiar with LTCM - the 'smartest guys in the room'.
Lotsa PhD economists, mathematicians, and physicists. I bet they gave
impressive presentations which no one understood.
It all seemed very 'scientific' and 'hi tech' - - till it collapsed.
Put the xbox away for a bit and think. When automation fails, and it does, every day, the most advanced computer in the world is a human brain. Automation works fine for mundane tasks and is great when you can afford triple redundancy. It isn't always affordable. There are numerous glitches that occur that require immediate human intervention. Have you actually flown anywhere? We can't even get wifi to work right. A no-shit coupled ILS approach to 0-0 requires three fully functional autopilots to properly execute. So if a computer fails in a non-human flight deck, then what? Go have your robot mom jerk you off again and get back to us.
American fight crews are required to have two in the flight deck at all times. Why not European? Next time you see the pilots do a lav break, note the flight attendant goes into the flight deck to open the door when necessary. It at least complicates the plot for a would-be nutjob.
It is called fail-safe.
Critical functionalities are made redundant. In planes security follows the highest standards, some elements even have triple redundancy.
I know a professor who was in the development team of the A380 and he explained, that the technology to fly without pilots has been there for a long time. The reason why pilots are still used, is for psychological reasons. Passengers would not feel comfortable without pilots and would avoid such planes.
Thanks for reinforcing that door to keep the terrorists out...
Well.....we didn't think the terrorists would start the flight out IN the cockpit.
I'm gonna make sure my next flight.....is Sharia free.
I have a feeling that this will not be the first case where "anti-terrorist" schemes will backfire and end up destroying more innocent people than terrists.
His intention was not to destroy the aircraft [which I don't think he gave a crap about] ... his intention was to cold-bloodedly murder lots of people for whatever reason we don't know.
Although does sound strange since young pilots are usually pretty ambitious and level-headed wtih lots ot gian and a great job with solid benefits.
Who knows?
Following the Commands of the Talmud.....
OK...wait a minute here.
If he's sitting amongst 32 virgins right now then we'll know his motive.
Its 72 angels, and no .if it esists, his nads are scorching right now.
Provide anal sex with children and adults. Keep them nursed with pleasure and debt enabled.
on Youtube:
How To Lock and Unlock Airbus A320 Cockpit Door - Description and Procedures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROIH3KCEIvs
So there is an emergency access provision on the new doors. Perhaps Lufthansa didn't implement? The other pilot blocked or disabled it? It was broken?
Or what any tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist would believe, the media is lying.
Remember the controversy right after 9/11 over whether pilots should be armed? Some morons posited that you couldn't trust the pilots to carry a pistol for defense - overlooking the obvious fact that if the pilot wanted to kill people he could just fly the damn thing into the ground. Arm them all, screen the hell out of them and accept the fact that if the pilot wants to kill you he can.
"Thanks for reinforcing that door to keep the terrorists out..."
That's basically what I was gonna say. Too bad your 9-11 false flag security is coming back to bite so many in the ass you dicks.
too bad they don't follow US procedure of having a member of the crew take the place of any pilot that needs to step out, in case something like this (planned or otherwise) were to happen and the door needs to be popped quickly... and yes, that's the procedure, I just got back from four domestic flights last week on two carriers and every time one of the flight crew needed to hit the head, one of the stewards stepped into the cockpit to take their place...
Yeah, you're right. Or what AbbeBrel said above
AbbeBrel
On my recent flight, the steward blocked the aisle with a beverage cart, then the pilot came out to use the lavatory. While the pilot was relieving himself, the cockpit door was closed with the steward standing OUTSIDE the cockpit, not INSIDE.
Stop being a fucking asshole. You are the type of person that always looks for the negative in everything. I would rather guard against a plane full of strangers than an employee of the airline. This is unfortunate, but don't blame the one sane fucking security measure taken after 9/11. You cunt!
Yes, our society is way too open still, we haven't yet managed to make enemies of every single other nation / race / person on the planet, what we need is more, more, more security, because that'll keep us safe. From all the enemies we've made, and which we continue to make at a frenetic pace...yes, that'll work, that's the ticket, more weapons, more locks, more security, in response to the ever more hate we spew, innocents we blow up, nations we invade, "collateral damage", wedding parties blown up by drone flown by some asshole thousands of miles away.
Edit: I forgot to mention naked airport body scanners, "opting out!", body cavity searches at airports and roadside anal probes, military weapons for "peace officers", the surveillance state (knowledge of which has destroyed the marketability of the American tech industry abroad), ...
You are right.
/s
This is unfortunate, but don't blame the one sane fucking security measure taken after 9/11. You cunt!
My BOMB can blast through that door.
Here is HOW you can get a BOMB onto ANY AIRCRAFT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH6GpXAXmx8
ALL MATERIALS WERE PURCHASED AFTER THE SECURITY CHECKPOINT.
If the Pilot could have blown the door off of the hinges then it would not have happened.
Sane measures? Obviously it did not work in the method in which it was intended, did it?
Are you a fucking idiot?
Arm all passengers now. Concealed Carry will stop this crap.
Bob, I agree with your logic here, but it's also pretty clear you're the asshole.
Reinforcing the door was a perfectly reasonable step to take, but it's no panacea.
You seem like the type of person who freaks out when a citizen strolls into a SBUX with a gun, but when a uniformed thug does it, everything is okay.
You been banging too many rocks. There were no terrists aboard the 9/11 planes , they were remote controlled probably by the AWAC flying around Washington that day , who knows (anyone ?). Try and take the first step and keep up Mr 7Gram
I hope this doesn't start a trend amongst disturbed airline employees. "Going postal" may be replaced by "flighty".
"Going Co-Pilot"
Going Lubitz.
Its ridiculous. We are always fighting the last war. If there is a terrorist attack, they aren't going to hijack planes and do the exact same attack as last time. The cat is out of that bag, it wouldn't be "shocking" or "new". If attacked, they will do something else.
I thought it was SOP for a Flight Attendant to enter the Cockpit anytime a pilot exits?
So it seems the flight crew can now look at each other with suspicion just as they have all passengers since 9/11.
All we have to do is get the cops to view each other with the same elevated mistrust with which they now view us, and we win.
They usually don't make eye contact and pay attention to the count so their share is correct.
Obama to mind .
Burn in hell for all eternity, Andreas, you monster!
I wouldn't automatically believe everything we are told especially when it comes to airline accidents. This story makes no sense. There are better ways to commit suicide.
Ummm.....what part of terror don't you understand?
Any decent terrorist organization would claim responsibilty and produce a list of demands. But these days, the false flag experts at Langley dont even bother with this important step. They leave it to everybody else to guess motivations."They hate us for our freedom"...Ha!
Thats what makes these trrrists so scary and dangerous!
No explanation why the pilot left the cockpit in the first place, no explanation why the copilot would do this and kill another 149 people with him, no nothing. Just trust us, this is what happened.
Just a convenient cover up story, but cover up what?
To take a piss? Jesus some people here are just too much.
Flirt with a Stewardess?
Not everything is a God Damned conspiracy.
But perhaps you might consider the underlying reasons for the skepticism before being too critical.
Just how many times are you willing to be lied to by your Government and then trust them enough to continue to accept Official Stories on Blind Faith?
Perhaps what he wrote is unreasonable. Yes I will agree.
But perhaps you are being just as unreasonable by expecting people to accept the reported story as the truth.
Does that make sense to you?
With an avatar that is a pic from a spam email hawking a dating site, you expect what now?
I guess it must be a US domestic airline rule, but I have seen crew leave the cockpit and when they do, there is always another crew (flight attendent, etc) take their place. Always 2 people up there for some reason......
Yeah, cover up what? Cover up your mouth with sellotape you fucktard?
People who never automatically believe anything = people who usually automatically believe something else. So the story makes no sense because there are better ways to commit suicide? What a retarded thing to say.
Wow,, the Gov trolls are out in full force on this story.
Burn in hell for all eternity, Andreas
For the two people that just junked that post......Andreas was the murderer.
It brings the Fed into mind with its attempted "Soft Landings".
Yup. Captain Yellen has put the economy into a gradual decent. Golden Parachute anyone?
Obama not getting his way ........
I have seen this movie recently, this is how it begins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNURIZWLm1M
Relatos salvajesDoes anyone else know Gabriel Pasternak?
Terrific meisterstuck.
Too bad it wasn't the elected turds and especially the fudgepacker.
Too bad it wasn't the elected turds and especially the fudgepacker.
Fascinating that they manage to extract the black box and what was said within 48 hours in the German Wings case, and we are still waiting for the UK independent experts findings with re MH 17 that was shot down 9 months ago.
Must be really awkward findings in the MH17 black box to keep it in the dark for 9 months when it was so easy to enlighten the world about the german 28 year old co-pilot and his actions..
Thats the Golden Gate Bridge.
Probably scouting it for a terrorist plot, Germany harbors terrorists, bomb Germany!
CUNT!
sad
Tragic.
Murder.
Let's call a spade a spade here.
Yeah. I agree. Let's call a spade a spade, here. No bullshit zone.
Murder is tragic.
It is tragic for both the murderer and the murdered.
It destroys both lives.
And that is tragic.
And you know that I am right.
No sympathy for the devil.....and I'm not going to tap dance on a tack.
Solution to problem. Remotely fly the aircraft. Heck the US Air Farce does it.
Dov Zakheim is ready to help. His system has been successfully tested under the most demanding of circumstances.
The technology is available right now to fully automate all commercial airliners. Pilot error is now responsible for more accidents than component or software failure.
Tell that to the passengers of Chesley Sullenberger
Technology is now available to impute false way points into "un interuptable auto pilot mechanisms" in airplanes to make them like drones... Same technology used to create trolls who would leverage such tragedies ...
Pilot error now takes more lives than any other failure on modern airliners. Call it what you want but automating all of these systems and removing the human element would save lifes.
lol, like that shit can't be hacked. exactly how is it you eleminate the human element? Who is designing, writing software, doing updates, programming? Elephants?
He is dreaming of a Brave New World style Technocracy where AI machines will take over and write the code.
Agenda 21 is being advocated.
But first they must destroy money and allocate energy credits. (That is actually why the Petrodollar was instituted in the first place.) Now they call them Carbon Credits.
He is either actively proposing it or a useful stooge.
Some dream of the Venus Project Utopian nightmare.
90% of pilot training is dealing with emergencies. The flight itself is automated, but the troubleshooting is not.
Before getting a Pilot's License???
Or after getting a Pilot's License and getting certification to pilot a commercial jet?
There is a difference between licensure and certification.
I've seen such proposals increasingly being made of late. The technology obviously has been in use for decades. The issue is that the AI used to control the various transports systems can take on any personality, and without conscience pursue any objective, Most human pilots (train, plan, auto, etc..) at least have self preservation instinct. Synthetic intelligences, not so much ...
A lot of these systems are based around the same strategic software that a chess computer uses. The system will analyse thousands of potential outcomes in advance. The idea being to "win" the game , ie get the aircraft down safely in the even of any type of systems failure.
Spouse has already told our daughter that if they have self driving cars by the time she is driving age that is what she it going to have. Computer vs. distractible new driver...
Yes. Let's encourage dependency upon technology instead of self actualized autonomous people who learn responsibility.
That will ensure that there will be a compliant and obedient populace to the dictates of the Technocrats.
"If you disobey us we will cut your data off."
(We are so fucking lost.)
Let's apply the same principles that the people against weapons use : Let's ban aeroplanes because aeroplanes kill people don't they ? Just joking !
We need to ban aspirin too...while we are at it.
(Now note I did not write "Just joking." If people really believe that I actually believe that we need to ban aspirin then I get the great laugh...at their stupidity. Then I get to nail them back for believing it. It is Fight Club after all.)
Go ahead and automate flying. I can't think of any reason to fly again anyway.
Do I really need my balls x-rayed?
Selfish prick should have offed himself before he boarded the plane....
Who the fuck downvotes that? really, if this tool did do it, you sure as fuck would not like to be one of the screaming helpless victims of this fuck because he is down on his luck or off his meds...
(this is one of the reasons I will never fly again)
"(this is one of the reasons I will never fly again)"
Agreed. Flights just disappear. The co-pilot evidently (according to MSM) flies into a mountain. Russia shoots them down (just kidding ;) )...
Too many reason not to fly these days.
Structural decline. Structural decline. Structural decline.
Rising real energy costs are squeezing the profit margins for these companies. Maintaining a fleet of planes is expensive, technically demanding work, and real household incomes are not exactly growing. People want their flights for cheaper, while fixed costs stay fixed, or continue to grow.
I too refuse to fly. However, sick as it is, I disagree with the premise that he should have died alone. Folks are beginning to suicide for many of the reasons listed in some posts. This is going to increase. Thing is, if they suicide alone no one pays any attention, and no one pays any price.
There is a price to be paid in our society for the unbelievable corruption in .gov. Freedoms are gone and until the tree of liberty gets its blood, nothing will change. Much blood will flow before the corruption, theft, murder, and bondage imposed by all forms of the American government is remedied. When .gov kills innocent citizens the call it collateral damage and say, "oh well". Did you expect any difference from the citizens?
I did not mean to imply this is a USA problem only, it is worldwide. I just hope he took out some politicians, bankers, and thieving corporate heads.
you can down arrow this post, it won't change a thing.
Thing is, if they suicide alone no one pays any attention, and no one pays any price.
Then he should have got off his ass and attacked the people who are responsible and died trying, not innocent victims just trying to get somewhere... I would have had respect for him.
You're assuming that everything we're told is true.
That a perfectly normal, pleasant young man would suudenly decide to murder a plane load of people.
Isn't it far more likely that Langley or some other rogue agency were involved, as usual?
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http://www.abeldanger.net/2015/03/2311-marine-links-serco-patents-base.html
Always bring your crow bar in your carry on for now on. Don't leave home without it.
Will be passed off as mental illness, but ultimately, the younger generations, starting with this guy's have inherited a turd of a planet, riddled with socioeconomic and geopolitical problems.
This looks like the actions of a desperate man. Probably can expect more as time goes by.
Note: I do not condone this fucktard's actions. Obviously this is a tragedy, but until we start getting real solutions, to real problems, and honest talk from the folks up top, you can expect a lot more "hopeless" young men with no futures and no opportunities to snap.
The older generations are literally choking the life out of younger generations through extracting perpetual interest on debts, pension schemes, medical costs, government salaries etc. Living (relatively) high on the hog in comparison to what the real economy is signalling with no notion of opportunity cost.
Selfish. Reckless. It will all end badly.
Absolute Tosh. Being a commercial airline pilot would get this guy more pussy than a rottweiller in a cat sanctuary. Plus the salary. Plus all the perks , hotels , cock sucking stewardesses on tap , life was good for this guy , Fuck this a$$hole.
So you just up and believe main stream media as if it were... er... instant truth just add water? LOL
@Broseph -- Turd of a planet is only going to get worse because it is severerely over crowded and getting worse. There is a natural competitiveness in humans. You can't pack people into smaller and smaller places without causing mental illness and breakdowns.
The older generation is sucking the life out of the younger generations. Again, this will only get worse with each new generation as the population increases and resources get more contrained.
How do people behave in traffic jams? Understanding this is the key to everything else that's going on. Put up that effective border security now.