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Germanwings Co-Pilot "Deliberately Destroyed" Airplane, Identified As 28-Year Old German Citizen
In one of the most chilling segments of this morning's press conference describing what was found on the cockpit voice recorder, screams were heard from passengers and crew as the realisation of what was about to happen struck them all. Prosecutor Brice Robin's findings state that when the German Captain left the cockpit - following what appeared to be - the 28-year-old German co-pilot (who was alive to the end) refused to re-open the door and began an "intentional", "controlled", and "steady" descent as he "seems to have sought to destroy the plane." Nothing indicates that this was a terrorist incident.
“At this moment, in light of investigation, the interpretation we can give at this time is that the co-pilot through voluntary abstention refused to open the door of the cockpit to the commander, and activated the button that commands the loss of altitude,” the prosecutor, Brice Robin, said.
He said it appeared that the co-pilot’s intention had been “to destroy the aircraft.” He said that the voice recorder showed that the co-pilot had been breathing until before the moment of impact, suggesting that he was conscious and deliberate in his actions. He said that his inquiry had shown that the crash was intentional.
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The descent was not a nose-dive and passengers would have been unaware until the last few minutes that anything was out of order...
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The last 30 minutes...
- *ROBIN SAYS INVESTIGATORS HAVE TRANSCRIPT OF LAST 30 MINUTES
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER ASKED CO-PILOT TO TAKE COMMAND
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER LEAVES COCKPIT, LEAVING CO-PILOT
- *CO-PILOT STARTED FLIGHT MONITORING SYSTEM FOR DESCENT: ROBIN
- *DESCENT COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN VOLUNATRY, ROBIN SAYS
- *COPILOT DIDN'T RESPOND TO CALLS TO OPEN DOOR: ROBIN
- *COMMANDER TRIES TO RE-ENTER COCKPIT BUT NOT ABLE: ROBIN
- *CO-PILOT APPEARS TO HAVE REFUSED TO OPEN DOOR FOR PILOT: ROBIN
- *COPILOT WAS ALIVE TO THE VERY END: ROBIN
- *COPILOT'S BREATHING HEARD TO THE VERY END: ROBIN
- *ROBIN SAYS C0-PILOT HAD NORMAL BREATHING, NO SIGN OF ILLNESS
- *CO-PILOT CAN BE HEARD BREATHING RIGHT UP TO FINAL IMPACT: ROBIN
- *FRENCH PROSECUTOR ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT REFUSED TO OPEN COCKPIT
The implications...
- *CO-PILOT SEEMS TO HAVE SOUGHT TO DESTROY THE PLANE: ROBIN
- *CO-PILOT APPEARS TO HAVE WANTED TO DESTROY AIRPLANE: ROBIN
Details on the pilots...
- *CO-PILOT WAS GERMAN CITIZEN, ROBIN SAYS
- *ROBIN SAYS HE HAS NO IDEA ABOUT PILOTS' RELIGIONS, ETHNICITY
- *ROBIN REPEATS THAT BOTH PILOTS WERE GERMAN CITIZENS
- *ROBIN SAYS THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE IN CABIN BESIDES COPILOT
- *ROBIN SAYS GERMANWINGS DESCENT WAS CONTROLLED AND STEADY
- *ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT HAD WORKED FOR A FEW MONTHS
- *ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT HAD A FEW HUNDRED HOURS OF EXPERIENCE
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER HAD 10,000 HOURS OF FLYING EXPERIENCE
- *CO-PILOT WAS 28 YRS OLD: ROBIN
The WSJ identifies the co-pilot as Andreas Lubitz...
The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday was Andreas Lubitz, 28, of Montabaur, according to a flight club where he was a member.
“Andreas became a member of the club as a youth to fulfill his dream of flying,” the LSC club said in a death notice on its website.
“He fulfilled his dream, the dream he now paid for so dearly with his life,” the club said. It said he was the co-pilot of the flight. A member of the flight club identified him to The Wall Street Journal on Thursday.
And finally...
- *ROBIN SAYS NOTHING INDICATES TERRORIST INCIDENT
- *ROBIN SAYS CRASH APPEARS AT THIS POINT TO BE `INDIVIDUAL FAULT'
Prosecutor: In the case of an individual's deliberate act, is the airline responsible? "That's another debate." #crashA320
— David Jolly (@davjolly) March 26, 2015
Horrific...
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I have two (younger) commercial airline pilot friends. Both are heavy drinkers, and are severely depressed. Please update your stupid world view from the 1950s.
The airline industry seems to be yet ANOTHER industry in structural decline. Shrinking salaries, increased applicants versus less jobs available, not to mention stupid tax regimes on just about anything taxable.
At this rate, by the time I have a kid, he'll probably be plowing a field for a loaf of bread as payment. IF he is lucky and doesn't get machinegunned by a remote-operated drone on a foreign battlefield.
Edit: You see those adverts governments are posting to try and get women to have kids? You reckon that's an accident? Fuck no. Nobody wants to be responsible for sending their children into a meat-grinder. No prospective parent (ie: my generation) with any clue about how things are going now would ever bring a child into this world.
If I live to see 45 without starving it will be a good life for me. The older generations seem to think they can keep living on someone else's dime. The issue is, that dime which is diverted from the youth to extend their own lives, is a dime that could be saved for the future. Therein lies the crux of shrinking populations.
Interesting, I have 2 friends that are pilots and both are alcholics. Maybe planes are so automated now that pilots just feel like bus drivers(which is probably more exciting) so they take to drinking. Many get divorced due to hooking up with the attendents probably from boredom. I dont know the rigors of the job but just thought is coincidental that I too have pilot friends in similar straits.
Just the nature of the job I guess. You're constantly responsible for 290+ people, constantly traveling around the world.. it becomes extremely difficult to maintain friends outside your immediate circle (your permanent flight crew?) That means dating, marriage, etc. all takes a back seat.
My guess is they are extremely isolated and lonely typically. I've done a fair bit of traveling with business myself.. sounds glamorous, but actually it is really shitty.
It has become one of the most monotonous jobs on this planet, it is stressful physically and mentally. Given the risks involved, if not already, greater attention should probably be directed at assessing the mental wellness of commercial pilots.
On the other hand you take a similar risk everytime you board a train, bus or taxi. You have no idea who is at the controls, what their capabilities are and whether they have issues.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11496988/Germanwings-investigat...
I have a feeling this dude would have been bat shit crazy even if he had won a lottery jackpot. The economy has nothing to do with where that guy's head was at.
I get that a lot. The economy dictates a hell of a lot more than most people realize. Life expenctancy, for instance, is correlated with levels of economic development and growth prospects, why not mental health?
A poor economy may make a normal person who is adversely effected by it stressed or slightly depressed. It does not make a previously normal person psychotic enough to decide to become the mountain whilst taking 149 unwilling strangers along with him.
So we can establish that in either scenario, the economy is potential a factor in (perhaps exacerbating?) mental health issues, at best. We'll see what the final report states when they release it. It could have also been women, family, drug abuse, or conflicts with staff.
I agree that the guy was likely mentally ill in the first place, if it is proven to be a crash by pilot error. It doesn't mean that the economy does not affect these things. If you look at the Silk Air crash (posted below), the pilot was suspected of using the plane for his suicide, and a lot of evidence pointed to it, including the trajectory of the flight in the final moments.
He had issues with debt and so on. Does it mean he was not insane? No. It is fundamentally abnormal for a human to want to kill over 100 other innocent humans. However, as you say, these stressors exacerbate an otherwise unhinged mind.
for decades Sweden was among the highest on life expectancy, levels of economic development (growth prospects? that's what makes financial markets happy), etc., but had at the same time one of the highest suicide rates of the world
according to Big Pharma, one out of three continental europeans ought to take antidepressants, and join the ranks of the US, UK and Northern Europeans in this consumption, btw
being depressed, from time to time, used to be something... normal. now, in many countries, it's a kind of anti-social refusal to see the shrink and pop the right pills
"according to Big Pharma" they have an expensive pill that can take care of any condition, bad feelings or fears you may have.
Familiar story.
Also what I observe amongst the dozens of commercial pilots I know (former pilot myself). Unhappy alcoholics; it's not a fun profession for most.
Suicide by crew is not unheard of:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
http://www.tailstrike.com/070494.htm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_350
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990#Flight_recorder_data
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR200905...
http://gawker.com/airline-pilots-get-paid-crap-1521393608
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-07-31/pilots-union-shines-a-li...
It's due to what Karl Marx called "alienation", in which a normal human becomes depressed and even insane. That's the same reason for those Foxconn workers jumping to their death. Technology and Kapital alienate us as many prominent European thinkers had written in 1960s. As Unibomber says, modernity is a disaster to the Human Race.
Copy that. I used to ski with many pilots an dthey were all very smart, relatively handsome and slept with more women then rock stars.
[ok, well maybe not rock stars, but definitely alot of women]
Despite the benefits, has to be a extremely stressful job, esp as you get older.
Please define "used to", because if "used to" is greater than about 10 years, you are talking about a completely different situation.
Wives "used to" stay home to cook for their husbands in single-earner families. Investment banking "used to" be a great gig in the '90s, since then the wages have fallen ~80% in real terms.
Women "used to" be content with a man who could put a roof over their heads and bread on the table. Now a good portion expect a millionaire (thanks to pop culture).
Furthermore economists "used to" believe there was a positive association between inflation and employment, a cursory understanding of each portion would reveal this to be utter nonsense, even back then, but that's beside the point. That correlation also reversed.
The world is not static. Just because you and your buddies enjoyed hopping onto pilot's laps back in the day, does not make it true of women today.
A co-pilot on a discount carrier is lucky to make 1/4 of what a senior pilot does.
Really 7 down arrows. Must be psychoctic, liberal, pansy ass, hold my had, wipe my ass far left democrats roaming the halls.
Everything you said is dead on and exactly what is happening to the younger generation. My daughter, her husband, and two kids live in a trailer park in a decent double wide. It's all they can afford and the husband Grossed over 80,000 last year as a cement pumper. What they have left after .gov gets done raping them and telling where they will spend the rest of the money is not enough to live as well as I did on 15K in the late 70's.
We will see much much more killing from the younger generation over the next 50 years. Blood will flow.
Bro, I disagree with this part: "...but ultimately, the younger generations, starting with this guy's have inherited a turd of a planet, riddled with socioeconomic and geopolitical problems. "
first, we all inhabit a wonderful planet. calling it a turd is the equivalent of spitting in the plate you are eating from
second, I remember being at the christening of a cousin while the Six-Day_War was raging. Israel was fighting against Egypt, Syria and Jordan with backing from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Lebanon, Algeria, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, and of course the PLO. Imagine such a war nowadays, and imagine how the media would report on that. Imagine the ZH comments
third, it's a question of local perceptions. Yes, there is a great generational conflict. In the US. It's epitome is the exceptional situation of US Student Debt, the modern version of the Debt Serfdom of old
yes, lots of things end badly. eventually, we are all either compost or ashes. but your rant is old, too. there are hieroglyphs in Egypt that moan the same way, a few millennia old, judging the new generations feckless, incapable and irreverent, and ill-suited to tackle the new problems of the 21st Century... before Christ
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a small statistical counterpoint to this airline tragedy: the EU death toll for car accidents in 2014 is 26'000
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...."
Always has been ... always will be that way.
... as you say, it's a matter of perspective and your location in life/society.
Yup. Absolutely right.. and our perspective is:
The largest financial crisis in human history (since the Great Depression), disrupting our earning potential. Rising taxes. Shrinking jobs due to massive technological shifts. More competition for wages that ever before due to globalization. Rising real oil costs (this last plummet is just a blip.)
The disconnect between the older generations (many of whom have been gainfully employed for over a decade) and the reality of what is actually happening for new graduates is severe.
Young people are absolutely desperate, and it will not end well. Especially with the prospect of a second major economic crisis on the way. Greece, The Middle East and Ukraine are just ahead of the curve, and the longer no serious solutions to this impending socioeconomic disaster are deliberated on (beside tear-gas, rubber bullets, and lethal force), the worse things will be when the dam breaks.
The main reason, of course, why nobody in power WANTS a real solution (note: including many public sector economists), other than to stem dissent, is because it would be a serious downward revision of the earnings of unproductive "assets" within society. See, the wages and salaries of same idiots making decisions on how to solve these problems in the first place.
You underestimate the level to which governments have supressed volatility* in markets and in the real economy. You underestimate the level of complexity of this current world, where disruptive technological changes can make your job redudant overnight.
I posit, that despite this viewpoint being echoed through history, things have never been more uncertain at any point historically. In fact, one example of this is banks NEVER physically conceiving that negative interest rates could exist. Their systems were not designed for it.
We are actually in pretty exceptional times. From the perspective of someone who has been earning (and saving) a steady income for 30-40 years, I could see why things aren't such a big deal.. but imagine you only entered the labor force 3 years ago, with a mountain of student debt. How secure do you believe you would feel right now?
*Here is a great example of suppressing volatility:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States#/media/File:US...
Since about 1955, inflation has been positive. It looks benign, because that is not a cumulative chart (just shows the annual rate, you must compound to get the real money supply), before that point in time, the inflation rate would swing between positive and negative. THAT is clear evidence of suppression of market volatility, it actually shows debt being created, as debt is tied to the money supply. It is a direct consequence of how the monetary system works.
There is going to be an event, either in my lifetime, or perhaps my children's lifetime which will be the defining economic event in human history. Those pyramids you talk about? Yeah.. we will have our own hieroglyphics on walls talking about this. Maybe our own religions, if things go really bad. There is opportunity there too, but the nature of volatility suggests a serious disruptive shock to how society functions.
the example of banks and negative interest rates is good, but I was just reading an article about the Swiss National Bank having negative rates... in the Seventies
I'm not claiming your perspective is wrong, I am just highlighting that it's core is specific. I feel for the US Student Debt... victims. But I also have to point out that their situation is... exceptional, from a global point of view. no country on this globe has anything even remotely similar
I could go on for a while, but I think you need some time to check on this, and let it sink in when you have a look at the numbers
and, on a personal level, I think you put too much emphasis on the functioning of "the markets". the financial markets... ain't the real economy. the one that clothes and feeds and shelters
I'm not claiming your perspective is wrong, I am just highlighting that it's core is specific. I feel for the US Student Debt... victims. But I also have to point out that their situation is... exceptional, from a global point of view. no country on this globe has anything even remotely similar
This just isn't true. The UK has something very similar now. The Netherlands has transitioned to the early stages of an also similar system (it is about ~5-10 years away from where the UK is, but nevertheless).
As I mentioned before money = debt, and the only way to keep that nice neat inflation going in the chart I showed, is to keep finding creative ways for folks to take out debt. If they do not, a liquidity crisis will engulf us.
I also do not discount the REAL economy (the two are inextricably linked.) Let's look at trends in the real economy if you wish to:
For the first time in many centuries humanity may be facing increasing scarcity in energy resources like oil, gas, and coal. This will cause a price rise. This price rise will see the real costs of everything rising UNLESS, technology can provide a better alternative.
This is at a time when: household savings in the US and the UK are extremely low. Debt is extremely high, taxes are rising. Does that spell "happy fun times on ski resorts, and boating on the lake", or "revolution" to you?
I have lived and worked through civil unrest, by the way, it makes things VERY difficult. Markets evaporate, supply routes become uncertain. Lending dries up. All these things are yet to come. So as I say, both real and financial economies are interwoven, you cannot discount one and just focus on the other.
Desperate?!? WTF?!? 28 years old, not a bad looking fellow, a pilot (pays slightly above minimum wage, IIRC), and he's so 'desperate' that his ONLY course of action is to kill 142 innocent people?
Seriously, to apologists like you, despite your weasel "I don't condone it" words, F*** you. This guy wasn't desperate - he was deranged. Words matter. Call spades spades instead of 'dirt moving implements' and we'll all be better off. America is not facing a 'fiscal imbalance'; it's F***** BROKE. The current American government is not a democracy - it's a paid-for plutocracy. The Democrats are not 'liberals' and the Republicons are not 'conservatives'; they are both fascist. Islam is not 'the religion of peace'; it's a bloodthirsty relic of the middle ages. Criticising Israeli policy is not 'anti-Semitic'; it's common sense.
/rant
But but but the Complainer in Chief said it wasn't da terrerrississs....
Terrorists aren't white unless they are bearded and visiting ISIS. Clearly.
"A member of the flight club identified him to The Wall Street Journal on Thursday."
The first rule of "flight club" is you don't intentionally ram the plane into the mountain.
:'-)
Suicide/Homicide.
I guess he did not want to go alone.
Shit.
Ive had enough mysterious plane tragedies for a year. Recent ones dont involve mechanical failure but human error of some kind which makes it even more perturbing. You can ground suspected problematic planes. you cant ground pilots you dont suspect anything is wrong with yet like this 27 year old fella who went postal and took out not one, not five, but 150 other people with him.
Then the most galling aspect of it arrives - news outlets on both sides playing up the terrorism possibility, because both the left and right want to perpetuate enemies, and war these days.
Most plane crashes are statistically attributable to "Pilot Error" or Human Error...in the form of Maintenance oversights..
The human is the weakest link in the chain. It is rare that parts actually fail before the time in which they are scheduled to be replaced.
And you are correct that it is sad that some will want to paint this as something that it is not in order to promote malevolent agendas.
This is a very sad event. I am tiring of tragedy as well.
God bless you.
I understand 911 security measures but the pilot should have the ability to override the locks in some way. An override that only the pilot can complete (biometrics or a code entry).
Yeah. That way the terrrrrrrists can TORTURE him outside of the cockpit until he divulges the code.
Maybe they'll chop off his thumb or gouge out his Eyeball
Yeah...Great idea.
Except that it already exists...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROIH3KCEIvs
Posted by AbbeBrel -- 5928861
Except that the copilot can DISABLE IT...AS HE DID.
The Airbus A320 is fitted with a locking mechanism to prevent unauthorised access to the flight deck while the aircraft is in flight.
The safety systems were improved in the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks where hijackers were able to gain access to the cockpit and take over the aircraft.
In normal flight, the door to the flight is closed and locked.
Cabin crew can use a code and gain access to the flight deck. Entry is controlled by the flight crew, in case of a possible hijack attempt.
The Cockpit Door Locking System (CDLS) according to the flight manual 'provides a means of electrically locking and unlocking the cockpit door'.
The CDLS is located in the central pedestal between both pilots and has a toggle switch which controls the door.
They also have a CCTV camera so they can see who is seeking access, and if they are under any form of duress.
Pilots can restrict access to the flight deck although cabin crew can gain entry in an emergency. However, this emergency access can be over-ridden by the pilot for between five to 20 minutes.
The limited time to keep the door closed is itself a safety feature, in case the flight crew become incapacitated - known in the industry as 'incap'.
After the predeterminted time, the keypad on the outside of the cockpit door will become operational again, unless the pilot actively restricts access again.
Also the cockpit door has several other safety features in case of a sudden decompression which will cause the door to open.
According to the flight manual there are 'routine' and 'emergency' access requests.
'The toggle switch enables the flight crew to lock or unlock the cockpit door, following an access request, thereby allowing or denying the entry to the cockpit.'
The flight manual states that the control unit is responsible for:
On the Airbus A320, there are three settings:
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3012053/Andreas-Lubitz-Germanwings-flight-9525-French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html#ixzz3VUqY3mzX
Airbus Reinforced Cockpit Door Description and Procedure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEHV7c3VXs
Is it possible that the cockpit locking system can be hacked and operated remotely (e.g. from the ground)?
I expect the power controls could be hacked. Aren't "fly-by-wire" aircraft nifty?
Remember Michael Hastings' Mercedes?
The descent was not a nose-dive and passengers would have been unaware until the last few minutes that anything was out of order..
The pilot screaming and trying to breakdown the cockpit door might have given the passengers a clue that something was out of order.
I hate that when that happens.
Dave: "Open the podbay door, Hal."
Hal 9000: "Sorry, Dave, I can't do that."
So US inc. hastily determines no terrorist activity and now once the information is coming to light it is something to consider. Do those oafs get anything right?
Germany needs TSA stat, just dust off the old blueprints.
Most airlines require a minimum of two in the cockpit at all times w these jumbo jets. If a pilot leaves, there must be two officers or even a fight attendant must stay with the co-pilot until another officer returns. Luthansa is an exception I think, and now this low cost carrier strikes me aas also an exception. There will be a policy review on this no doubt.
Also psych exams every six months...I know that's true for 747 captains, but this plane wasn't that big. And I'm not so sure that there are any 28 y.o. 747 captains. That's like the pinnicle of the profession.
Some of the news sources are saying that those requirements are an american thing. In Europe the second body in the cockpit isn't required.
This wasn't a "jumbo jet". An Airbus A320 similar to a Boeing 737.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family
This makes me want to know who was on that plane even more.
Andreas Lubitz was on the plane
I'm pretty sure his family is now in the witness protection program.
I meant the passenger list. Who was so important that they convinced this guy to crash a plane with them on board?
Sick fuck.
Better have pilots wear diapers and piss in pants from now on.
Catheters... All the joy of flying just went out the window...
This is why I don't get high tech security for my house. The only person I'm most likely going to lock out......IS ME !!
I prefer to get bang for my tax dollar anyway and have the state protect my houes for me. All it took was the installation of a flag pole and the cost of an ISIS flag.
Total dick move on this guy. Seriously, kill yourself if you're suicidal. No need to "take people with you".
"Sir, the Black Box reveals a steady descent for at least 30 min."
"It somehow says that it was a system failure?. blame the copilot, we won´t pay anything to victims"
SSRIs? Who has his medical records?
prereq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydXenL7iu0w
"this has the effect of rendering them extremely susceptible to suggestion..."
Please, don't ever post a Star Trek link for Mrs. Cog again. We're going to be watching Khan and the earwigs all day now. :-)
<Mrs. Cog loves Star Trek.>
She is a Trekker?
Cool. Lucky you.
You are disqualified from flying if you are using ANY Psych Meds or Narcotic Pain Meds.
LUBITZ Genealogy
Discussion about the Origin and Meaning of the Jewish Surnames
http://www.hebrewsurnames.com/LUBITZ
"the following what appeared to be - the 28-year-old German co-pilot (who was alive to the end) refused to re-open the door and began an "intentional", "controlled", and "steady" descent as he "seems to have sought to destroy the plane."
This article makes the ASSUMPTION the co-pilot did this deliberately. Yes, the pilot was heard banging on the door trying to get back into the cockpit and there never was an answer from the co-pilot.
What if the co-pilot put the plane into a descending glidepath and THEN he passed out? What if he had a heart attack or many other things could have happened.
At this point, no one really KNOWS what happened. To make the assumption the co-pilot did this deliberately is bad logic.
The plane could only be put on this descent manually and they were no where near their destination to be put on this flightpath. The door lock has three positions; open, lock and manual lock-out to prevent overide from exterior cabin. The Captain would have been able to overide the lock unless the door was on manual lock from inside the cabin.
That is the way it used to be. It hasn't been that way for a long time now. Since 9/11 as a matter of fact.
See OCCAMs Razor...
Uhmmm, he locked the door and blocked access to the captain. That pretty much says it all.
The co-pilot did not lock the door, because ALL cockpit doors on ALL commercial aircraft lock AUTOMATICALLY. As a matter of fact, since those doors lock automatically, when a pilot or co-pilot leaves the cockpit to take a piss break or whatever, the protocol is for a flight attendent to sit with the remaining person in the cockpit, thereby leaving at least two people in there.
And they broke that protocol. They fucked up.
The captain can over ride the lock unless it is disabled from the inside.
The doors are fail safe and have to be actively kept locked to avoid this situation. This is definitely an EASA standard and probably adopted from the FAA.
1x NYFD dude with a fireaxe would have saved the day
TSA security rules ensure that no axes are allowed in the cabin of the aircraft.
Andreasshole
minimum wage co-pilot, great idea.
Nothing to do with minimum wage but minimum brain.
Oh boy, here we go...
Who/what was on this plane?
Most probably and than again a few fx traders/dealers...
Funny how after 24 hours we get a notional transcript. After 911, not so much.
Cockpit voice recorders (CVRs) record all of the conversations between the pilots and air traffic controllers. They are contained in black boxes that are designed to survive the worst fiery crashes and, like the flight data recorders, are recovered after crashes to determine what went wrong.
The only plane whose cockpit voice recorder was supposedly recovered and successfully read was Flight 93. The recorders on the other three jets were deemed unrecovered or too damaged to read. The FBI refused to release an audio record or transcript of Flight 93's voice recorder with the excuse: "we do not believe that the horror captured on the cockpit voice recording will console them in any way." 1 Then, in April of 2006, a transcript of Flight 93's CVR was published in conjunction with the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui.
absolutely 1 step closer absolutely. many other instances come to mind but these fukkers will go on....with their bullshit....
why would anyone on this board believe an official explanation for anything?
a transcript - nonsense? an official saying something?
give me the tape and match it against a voice print from over six months ago of this guy - anything can be fabricated in a sound room - anything
the data recorder is conveniently lost - nothing is true - nothing
Prolly a lot of comments on those 9/11 recordings about the snackbar. Of course, hearing this audio might cause more US citizens to re-think 'diversity' and 'multiculturalsim'. Couldn't tolerate a turn away from global government. . . Lying or merely suppressing the truth is so much better.
Flying in airplanes has become mental.
statistically, driving a car is more dangerous, particularly for commuting
True dat!
If those stats ever start to change dramatically.....we may have a problem.
measured by passenger miles....so Apollo flights were really safe even though Apollo 1 never left the ground
Space Shuttle flights were only about six times more dangerous than airline flights per passenger mile..
The reported rate by the NTSB for airline fatalities per passenger mile is 1 for every 2,000,000,000 passenger miles or 5 X 10-10
Figure an average 14 Day Mission for 135 Space Shuttle Missions. That amounts to 1890 Mission Days.
One Orbit happens every 90 Minutes. Thus the Space Shuttle orbited the Earth 16 times per day.
Thus it now amounts to 30240 Mission orbits.
The orbital path at an average 200 mile altitude covers 28,260 miles.
Thus the Shuttles covered 854,582,400 miles over the 135 Missions.
Figure an average crew of 5 passengers per flight...
That amounts to 4,272,912,000 passenger miles.
There were 14 fatalities.
The chances of fatality were 3 X 10-9 per passenger mile.
Now lets look at Project Apollo...
We had 12 manned missions, one which cost the lives of three men who never left the ground.
But that was a Dress Rehearsal for Spaceflight and they were not scheduled for lift off during that day. It was NOT a space flight
It would be amongst the safest, safer than the Space Shuttle, as no man was ever lost in actual Space Flight.
The International Space Station Program is actually been the safest as that lab has been in Low Earth Orbit and continuously manned for the past FOURTEEN YEARS with a 2 to 6 man crew with ABSOLUTELY NO FATALITIES.
It has covered roughly 2,312,000,000 miles over that period. Multiply that by an average 4 man crew and that amounts to roughly 9,248,000,000 passenger miles.
But I guess that the point is that statistics can be MISLEADING? Right?
HOWEVER...
The truth is that in life that there are risks. You can live in fucking fear if you want but there is no greater thrill, other than sex, than flying.
I REFUSE TO LIVE IN FEAR.
Even if one of the Apollo astronaut-actors had fallen off a soundstage and died, it would have been suppressed.
or Germanwings deliberately making up this story because the plane was remotely hijacked...
Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes shit just happens in life. Andreas was an asshole who will burn for this, and I pray for these poor people's souls.
THESE - 3 FLIGHTS - ARE ALL DRONE CONTROLLED EVENTS
Syriza watching keenly how compensation will be settled by Lufthansa.
So Brian Williams was the only survivor?
Brian Williams was found on the ground holding the black box unscathed.
Why would a pilot kill himself and 150 others? Why would a man strap a bomb to himself to kill many others, all victims completely innocent bystanders? Is it to cause terror in the innocent population? Does anyone here think that every passenger is not thinking and wondering about their next flight, who is piloting and what is their agenda? Admittedly we have been manipulated by terrorism, by our governments AND the terrorists, as that is their intention after all. That does not make it any less real.
It is terror. It will remain terror.
The fear of the unknown.
The fear of the irrational.
Maybe we should just get used to it.
Time to grab all the guns in the US. If only there were fewer guns in the citizens hands. None of this ever would have happened.
Or just maybe go to the other extreme and hand every passenger a gun with their boarding pass.
Hey, that would have worked for Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Batman movie premieres, etc!
The cocksucking sheeple will never take responsibility for "terrorism" hysterics that led to reinforced cockpit doors.
This is another example of the national security state willing to risk anything just to get more power. The pathology of power.
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I bet he was from Greece.....
Kind of spooky to see pics of Hagia Sofia on a website from a German named Andreas Lubitz. Age is different (father or lie?) - but it shows the name does not prevent an Islam connection. Google 'Andreas Lubitz Mosque' to see the site if you don't like links.
http://pixabay.com/en/users/lubitzpr-639908/
A stealth Jihadist?
"German police discovered prayer rugs, a Koran, AQ literature, and a framed photo of Osama Bin Laden in the co-pilot's apartment.
"This does not infer he was a Muslim Terrorist," police sources say."
the pilot spent 6 months in tel aviv after his break down.
his mom was jewish
why would he be a fan of osama
ohh yes osama was jewish as well : )
Airbus jets are dangerous.
Beg to differ: of the five noteworthy air disasters in the past two years, three were Boeing/MD for 653 fatalities; and two were Airbus for 312.
Bath House: "You guys wanna re-think that AIIB thing now?"
"I can turn any of your planes into remote-control drones, hahahahahha!"
taking plane is so 20th.
"Nice" cover story!
SSRIs.
Psych Med use immediately disqualifies you from flying. If you test positive without reporting it you will lose your license for life.
Because pilots don't get depressed or have chronic pain...who is left to fly?
.... near the summit of Kilimanjaro .... there was the dried carcass of a leopard .... no one knew what the leopard was seeking there .... in the Snows of Kilimanjaro .... E. Hemingway
They probably keep the door locked at all times. So that is nothing if the Captain could not get back in because it was locked. It indicates the co-pilot may not have been conscious. I want to hear that breathing into the mic. A sleeping person will breathe differently than one who knows he is about to die.
Did you bother to read any of the article?
The world will eventually learn the co-pilot had radical Islamic sympathies.
Paradoxically, Zero Hedge will 'learn' the co-pilot was Jewish, despite all evidence to the contrary.
No matter the outcome of this particular incident, my greatest Fear for myself and my Nation is what these demonic Marxist Zio Jews have planned for our future.. Not the radical nutjobs over in the Middle East who are often invited into our Nations by the previously mentioned physchos.
Made me laugh, thanks!
Some serious morons here on ZH.
Grimaldus
Later obama will unveil the psychiatric brain scan checkpoints at airports...it's for our own good
It is hard to die in an airplane crash if you don't fly.
With all the drones flying around it is only a matter of time before little johnny's drone toy or a us .gov ssmall drone gets sucked into an engine of a passenger jet and another one goes down, or some terrorist hacks the fly by wire stuff and it goes down, or the CIA needing a black flag downs one and blames it of Putin.
Then plane has to crash somewhere. Heads up
Nuland did it .... to divert attention from the Ukraine ! Escravagooplover ? LOL Old planes, old pilots and young scary co-pilots .... economy airline options ?
The point of impact - it must be said, even emphasized - is about 130 km, 5-6 minutes of flight time, to three major French nuclear sites: Tricastin, Marcou and Créas.
That's because the co-pilot wasn't trained to be a guided missile at that flight school in Florida, like those 19 saudis. Flying a commercial jet at 400mph into a building is much harder than CFIT.
Putin’s passport was found in the wreckage… He did it! No doubt! He also ate some of the victims, while they were still breathing…
hmm...how is the deliberate destruction of airplane and murder of 150 people not considered a 'terrorist' incident?
Did he have a political motivation, or was he trying to achieve a political goal? If not, then it's not "terrorism" per se but just a criminal act. Not everything is "terrorism" as much as the sheep herders would have you believe.
It depends how you define terrorist.
In the modern world a terrorist appears to be anyone who disagrees with US foreign policy. As a white German citizen he doesn't fit the profile.
Here it comes, removal of pilots from commercial air.
'Come Fly with Us' will become 'Come Fly our Drone'.
When the strategic bombers became automated and the pilots were removed from the cockpit, Skynet flew with no incidents thereafter...
Funny, saying to the wife that I wondered how long it would be before they blamed the pilot for suiciding the plane as they did with MH-370. They will no doubt find he had a flight simulator game at home and probably a Macbook........then again if Putin can't be blamed, there has to be Reason B. That's not to say it might not be true, but after German Wings has been on strike so much - two days last week - he might have forgotten how to fly ....
http://www.easytravelreport.com/AIRLINE-HISTORY/Germanwings-strike-airli...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/12/us-lufthansa-strike-idUSKBN0LG...
A message to Germany from the CIA or Soros, I would guess. Don't you dare leave the Eurozone, don't you dare end the Euro.
Perhaps he did it in revenge for the Holocaust?
That Co-Pilot took Project Mayhem to a whole new level.
Unless it's governments and security agencies playing project mayhem with jetliners.
That possibility always exists
I wouldn't want to live in the immediate area of the crash site, seeing as buildings tend to just fall down when planes crash nearby.
Used to have to fly a lot. Now I don't have to and I'm very glad. Probably never will choose to fly again.
We need the Government! We need the State to inferfere.
Legislate these bastards.
Laws! We need laws! Quick!!
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I've never been on a flight where the pilot ever left the cockpit for any reason....why the hell would he leave the cockpit in the first place?
Guess you've never flown on a plane with a lavatory.
this is really the worst news :
Co-pilot deliberately crashed Germanwings flight: prosecutor
A public prosecutor in France has said the co-pilot of the crashed Germanwings flight deliberately initiated the plane's descent. He was alone in the cockpit and ignored the pilot trying to get back in.
At a press conference on Thursday, Marseille's public prosecutor Brice Robin said investigators analyzing the audio recorded in the cockpit of the Germanwings plane that crashed on Tuesday have come to the conclusion that the co-pilot of the plane intentionally initiated a descent from a normal cruising altitude that eventually led to the crash of the plane.
Robin described the events that investigators had pieced together from the audio recording as follows:
After taking off, the pilots conversed in a normal manner for the first 20 minutes of the flight. Upon reaching a normal cruising altitude, the pilot asked the co-pilot to take over the controls before getting up and leaving the cockpit.
At this point, the co-pilot (28 year old Andreas Lübitz) deliberately initiated a descent of the airplane.
Shortly after, the pilot repeatedly attempted to communicate via the plane's telephone system that he'd like to be let back in. The co-pilot did not respond. The pilot then tried knocking on the door, but there was no reaction from the cockpit.
Robin said the co-pilot did not utter a single word during the eight-minute descent before the crash, but could be heard breathing normally.
Flight controllers in Marseille attempted to contact the plane due to the unscheduled descent, but the co-pilot did not react.
Eventually, as the plane neared the ground, the automatic ground proximity alarm sounded, but there was no reaction by the co-pilot. The pilot can be heard trying to break through the door. Immediately before impact, screams can be heard from the passengers in the back, but Robin said there was no indication they knew what was happening until immediately before impact.
http://www.dw.de/co-pilot-deliberately-crashed-germanwings-flight-prosec...
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The prosecuter did not want to call this a pilot suicide, because of so many other peoples lives that were so tragically lost.
This is a cruel senseless murder of 150 innocent People. It is a desperate act by one deranged individual (the co-pilot,28 year old Andreas Lübitz)) with terrible consequences for so many good and innocent people. All these lives just cut short by this one idiotic senseless act! What I can't understand is the configuration of the cockpit door. How can it be possible for the flight-commander to be locked out by some insane suicidal co'pilot? How is this supposed to be a safe and secure system for everyone on the flight when it takes just one nut in the cockpit to flick a switch and then hijack the whole "fly by wire" crap?
This cockpit - door locking system is just a kneejerk reaction to 9/11 and now it backfired. What happens when the pilot in there gets a heart attack and the other one can't get in?
fucking hell,those people who designed this shit Door-Lock "security system really did'nt think it through at all!
Stupid fucks! How can you allow a situation where one of the Pilots can possible be LOCKED OUT of the cockpit ????
just imagine the situation...it is beyond any logic or reason....totally unbelievable....
it makes me quite angry at the stupid futility and waste of it all...
150 people killed just like that...
may they all rest in peace.
WR;)
How can a prosecuter, an attorney, make this call within 24 hours just by listening to a tape.
Usually it takes awhile to figure out all the angles.
That one the Ukrainions shot down, that was declared a missile job by Putin right away by big brother, but the bullet holes kind of screwed up that story a bit.
JFK Jr.'s spotless politing record was brought into question the minute his small plane took at dive bomber style crash into the ocean in fair weather.
If you buy into the theory, JFK Jr. was required to fly with an instructor who took the plane down and whose remains were never recovered. The Pentagon pronouncements were so telling for a civilian crash anyway. Since when does the military rule on Cessna crashes?
The bullshit runs so deep with airplane sabotage you need wings to stay above it.
"Robin said the co-pilot did not utter a single word during the eight-minute descent before the crash, but could be heard breathing normally."
The snackbar sheilds were up.
Grimaldus
I've been going back and forth for years with a pilot friend about the shit pay and shitty terms that rank and file pilots earn.
You should see what pilots earn working for shitty regional services in the states and elsewhere.
Not that this was the reason this guy did what he did, but it is so true. I'm shocked how little the pay is at the small regional carriers. These guys could make more at Walmart. It really makes no sense.
After a flight where the 2 pilots looked like they were 17 and were talking about how hung over they were, while they assessed the oil leak below the plane, I stopped flying regionals. I know the odds are still way in my favor, but don't need the stress.
.... and they are surrounded by low level burocrats making $150,000 + .... with low skill sets ....
The Capt should have never left the cockpit...shoulda just pissed in a gatorade bottle like the truckers do...
How many jews down?