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For First Time In History, California Governor Orders Mandatory Water Cuts Amid "Unprecedented, Dangerous Situation"
Amid the "cruelest winter ever," with the lowest snowpack on record, and with 98.11% of the state currently in drouight conditions, California Governor Jerry Brown orders mandatory water cuts in California for the first time in history...
Lowest snowpack on record...
98.11% Drought...
And finally some action...
Gov. Jerry Brown orders mandatory water cuts in California after snowpack shrinks to record low http://t.co/Wdy2SYFV0V
— WSJ Breaking News (@WSJbreakingnews) April 1, 2015
As ABC reports,
California Gov. Edmund G. Brown Jr. announced a set of mandatory water conservation measures today, as the state continues to struggle with a prolonged drought that has lasted for more than four years.
"Today we are standing on dry grass where there should be five feet of snow," Brown said in a statement after visiting a manual snow survey in the Sierra Nevadas. "This historic drought demands unprecedented action."
For the first time in the state's history, the governor has directed the State Water Resources Control Board to implement mandatory water reductions across California, in an effort to reduce water usage by 25 percent. The measures include replacing 50 million square feet of lawns throughout the state with drought-tolerant landscaping, banning the watering of grass on public street medians, requiring agricultural water users to report their water use to state regulators, and requiring large landscapes such as campuses, golf courses and cemeteries to make significant cuts in water use.
The governor’s announcement comes just a few weeks after NASA’s top water scientist, Jay Famiglietti, declared in a Los Angeles Times op-ed that California only had a year's-worth of water supply left in its reservoirs.
The last four years have been the driest in California’s recorded history. As of March 24, more than 98 percent of California is suffering from abnormally dry conditions, with 41.1 percent in an exceptional drought, according the U.S. Drought Monitor, which estimates that more than 37 million Californians have been affected by the drought. The state’s snowpack, which is largely responsible for feeding the state’s reservoirs, has been reduced to 8 percent of its historical average, and in some areas in the Central Valley the land is sinking a foot a year because of over-pumping of groundwater for agriculture.
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“We are in an unprecedented, very serious situation,” the governor said in his January statement. “At some point, we have to learn to live with nature, we have to get on nature’s side and not abuse the resources that we have.”
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And as we noted previously, while all eyes are focused on dry river beds and fields of dust, the maountainous ski resort areas are seing their economies devastated. As Bloomberg reports,
Last year Vail reported a 28 percent drop in skier visits at its California resorts, and the company warned investors that its financial results would be worse than anticipated.
Those numbers reflect what could be a larger contraction of Tahoe’s ski industry. Seasonal and part-time hiring has slid 27 percent over the last three years, according Patrick Tierney, a professor of recreation, parks, and tourism at San Francisco State University, and spending on ski-related services has decreased from $717 million a year to $428 million. An older analysis by the San Francisco Reserve Bank showed that the value of resort-area homes in places like Tahoe can depend heavily on climate; even a 2-degree increase could cut home values by more than 50 percent.
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The drought is getting worse... not better.
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Granted, I could do this because the water table is only 6' or so feet down, but I drove my own irrigation well a few years ago. No permits, no meters and the government does not know about it. I do have water rights here, but the state requires that you put a meter on your well so that they can monitor how much you use. You bet your ass that if the budget ever comes under a real crunch, they'll think about charging for water that they did nothing to deliver to me. There is a seperate well for the house too. If they're going to pull any BS, they get to do it on the house well that pumps MUCH less water throughout the year and is visible in the front yard. The irrigation well is hidden in the back.
It's all about flying under the radar. As LoP would put it, it is in my possession.
Fuck that movin' east shit. Move west.
Sorry about that, but I believe Asian countries are all full...with people, that is. Actually living in the middle of the Pacific can be a lonely experience, but you can,t drink the water.
Well, they can move to the plastic garbage islands in the North Pacific Subtropical Gyre. Supposed to be larger than Texas and growing everyday. Great sunsets and free water bottles.
besides salt, Pacific ocean water is all Fuk'd up - cesium, strontium, plutonium
I hear Colorado is very nice and has a similar political attitude to CA. Don't move to MT or WY, you won't fit in.
Any chance that some/all of the illegals will go back to where they came from?
Nope, move to Illinois. It's already FUBAR.
Look, I am a Californian, and I'd like to invite my liberal friends here to move to Dearborn, Michigan. There's plenty of water and they're known for extreme 'diversity'. The local folks will admire your liberal attitudes.
Screw that! We don't want them either.
Go south to Ole Mexico, I hear it's emptying out.
Move EAST?
Don't ya mean move WEST? lol
I weep for Californians.
Just kidddin'
Fuck you Burt, we don't want those asshats taxing rain water in the east coast. Let's send them to Mexico or Canada.
Yes, and please stop and stay in Nevada.
Thanks!
.... gee, only about 4 or 5 decades too late.... .gov alfalfasprouts & granola brown is about as useful as a pocket on the bottom of a sock....
Attention all Kalifornian's from Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego, DO NOT MIGRATE NORTH OR EAST! Head South Mexico welcomes you.
Too late! I already know lots of Californians that have moved to Oregon in the past few years and more that are planning it. Even my UPS driver told me he bought a house in Oregon. He will move up there permanently when he retires at the age of 55 in a couple of years. I have been thinking about buying a place up there. Prices will probably go up nicely in another year if it doesn't rain enough in California next winter.
Putin's fault
Thirstferians!
Thirsty Fairy &'s ~ lol
Sam Kinison break...
YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT!
and your HOA requires you still to have a lush green lawn - which means now that you can't water it expect a big fat HOA fine ! ahahahahaahahah!!!!
I bet not a SINGLE member of the Hollywood Hills elite will be emptying their pools or restricting their lawn watering this summer.
Never, EVER, buy a home in an HOA.
Long Astroturf. It's what I'd use, if I lived in SoCal.
Poor people/folks use colored rocks/pebbles, I recall.
Confused people water their astroturf too.
Astroturf looks so bad on the Single Unit.
Not only is it an eyesore, people are starting to figure out that it's difficult to clean things like, the neighborhood dog droppings/sprayings, bird droppings, etc.
I've seen it on the Strip in Vegas, wierd looking astroturf with vomit and shit on it.
Fifteen years ago I considered pouring concrete for a front yard and covering it with astroturf. Youngest son, then about 11, said "That's a good idea, and we're basically rednecks, so let's get brown astroturf."
Opted to clear it all to just plain sand.
But that brown astroturf popped up again when, at the height of the house bubble, when the third lady that bought the house across the street in a year at around $360k came over to demand I improve my yard.
It's still sand, though.
ha,ha.
Good story
Let them drink Brawndo- its got what plants crave, dammit!! Electrolytes!!
Brawndo = 'The Thirst Mutilator' ~ Oh Wait!
Holy shit this country is almost to the point, idiocracy....or ineptocracy: A government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for with the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. Either way the shoe fits. Look out below. ......
PATHOCRACY
Looks like the idea of building a population center for millions of thirsty inhabitants in a desert and having no plan to desalinate the 80 quintillion gallons of water on your west coast isn't a good idea.
So that means golfers will be hitting the ball "tee to brown"?
Couldn't happen to better group of libby people...now just need earthquake to fix their water problem by making that crap state fall into the ocean.
More ZH Drama Theatre:
Regarding that NASA guy:
"In an interview Thursday, Famiglietti said he never claimed that California has only a year of total water supply left. He explained that the state's reservoirs have only about a one-year supply of water remaining. Reservoirs provide only a portion of the water used in California and are designed to store only a few years' supply. But the online headline generated great interest. Famiglietti said it gave some the false impression that California is at risk of exhausting its water supplies. The satellite data he cited, which measure a wide variety of water resources, show "we are way worse off this year than last year," he said. "But we're not going to run out of water in 2016," because decades worth of groundwater remain."
LA Times - Read it and weep - there goes your hope for inflation and the massive gold trade.....
Dont need to actually run out of water. Scarcity is all that's needed to screw up the economy and send housing prices plummeting and businesses fleeing.
people laughed at Wally Hickle
ex alaskan governor
when he wanted to build a water pipe line
down south to california...
Largest state in US has finally met with success. The US Govt has been able to successfully convert California into a Pakistan!
Water cuts on a daily basis....power cuts are next...and.....
Kudos on the achievement!
Ding ding ding.
California already tried power cuts.
This water bullshit is a new Enron scheme. Get ready for more water cuts, for the children.
You're right...except for you have no idea what you're talking about. I live in the area of California that's stores water for the Central Valley and the San Francisco, and all of the reservoirs are 20-30% of capacity. This isn't some manufactured crises. If we go one more winter without significant rainfall its game over for Ca...and then the country because Ca is the 8th largest economy in the world and it will start a domino effect thru the rest of the states.
in4, I look forward to your state drying up and blowing away, just hope you all die lying in the sun, with bleached bones, then cali might be a place to live after you are all gone. too bad billy gates moved out and warren buff likes omaha -
It's drier than Hitlery's cooch at a Chippendale's club. Wildfire season's gonna be a bitch this year.
Gives a new meaning to "burning bush".
Just threw up a little.
And CA has its share of Pakis*.
"Stan" means "Land of" -- as in AghaniStan, PakiStan, TurkmeniStan...
* If Afghanistan has Afghans, then Pakistan has Pakis. This is technically-correct.
I don't give a damn what PC a-holes think, as people like me will NOT be silenced by others, who are trying to redefine the meaning of a word and then use it for social control. They can go to hell!
Here about the Paki who put odour eaters in his shoes?
He disappeared.
CaliStan
(I'm not) Goin' back to Cali, Cali
(I'm not) Goin' back to Cali, Cali
LL Dry J
Nah,
It'll be taken over by the Aztlan Advocates...
http://www.mayorno.com/aztlan.html
The Hispanics in SoCal have the numbers to secede from Northern California and the USA. Something tells me that once that's done, they'll probably run the place better than the way it is being done now with all the Pocket Fiefdoms running amok.
They'll have to deal with the Fruits and Nuts Cults and the Paedophile-ridden Roman Catholic Church.
Before you downvote, recall the massive settlement, deniers. That church is host to what's probably the largest social collective of Paedophiles on the Planet. Think I'm wrong? They don't PROSECUTE the problem Clergy - they "defrock" them. For the most part, they're not "Banned/Excommunicated" for Paedophilia, nor are they registered as Sex Offenders as often as they should be. Therefore, the defrocked remain in the Laity (funny name, isn't it?); and through transfers, promotions, etc., spread the Torment - and applicable Venereal Diseases carried by the Perpetrators.
Added Bonus?
The victims may be "imprinted" with the molestations, therefore run a higher risk of becoming 1) Homosexual (since most RCC cases involving Clergy are of that orientation due to the environment); and 2) Paedophiles/Pederasty Advocates themselves - given that's their "sexual experience" prior to and through puberty. Before the Downvoters and PC Thought Police try to BooHoo this Comment with "don't lump the Gays with the Pedos" replies, let me bring this to the Public View -one of USA's Gay Advocacy Figures, Henry Hay, is a Pederasty Advocate (from his experience as a Child Molestee - though he wouldn't address himself as one) and a friend of NAMBLA. So, they're gradually adding to their number.
Ergo, more Karma Points to the RUSsian Federation for passing the Laws that do prevent the Gay Social Engineering/Demagoguery of their Children. Kids are still formulating their psyche and sexuality. They can investigate/experiment(I wouldn't recommend)/become part of the Gaydom to their hearts' content as Adults. Contrary to what the Lefties and the Gay Activists would want the Public to believe, that new set of Russian Laws don't outlaw Gays; and the number for the USA is roughly 2-3%, not 10% of the Population.
There go my lawns!
The human body is 65% water, and CA has a lot of bodies.
A giant juicer would solve a lot of problems.
Long stillsuits and deathstills.
What are all those mexican landscapers going to do? Go home, I hope. Or put them to work hauling buckets of water from the nearest rich guy's pool.
Combine that with Thermal Depolymerization and you've got the next great investment.
Easier to find gold nuggets!!
Make that 'aluminum nuggets' and you'd be closer to the truth...as part of my job we regularly test Sacramento river water. We are finding aluminum in *grams per liter* sporadically, with no concomitant increases in other metals tested at the same time.
Geoengineering is real, and the true culprit here. Anyone living in Cal just needs to look up and confirm that truth for themselves.
Implied Violins, there was Kardashian-size asston of chemtrails in the skies over the SF bay area Monday afternoon.
I swear I'm living in the fucking Twilight Zone when almost no one seems to care ... even to simply look up at the sky.
Give me a BUK and a cache of Stinger missiles and I'll "fix" this problem myself.
I'm still waiting for one of those planes to have an 'incident' that reveals all...
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Same thing out in Western NC. Nobody ever seems to look up to notice the grid patterns laid by the 'russian' jets that create these 'persistent contrails'. I'm afraid to test my soil or groundwater.
Sheople: "but but but that's a conspiracy theory, they said so on TV".
What gets me is that all of the weather services have to be in on the geoengineering. Yesterday only had 2 or 3 trails, late afternoon; forecast for the next 3 days was "partly cloudy" when I checked this morning - and sure enough, the sky here is full of un-natural. Monday was awful though. Started out clear but turned the whole sky into a gray smear by 4pm. For people in other states, I should add that most of California's default weather much of the year is a clear blue sky with not a single cloud, unless a system is moving through; used to be, I mean. Kinda freaked me out when I moved out here in the early 70's from NY. One cloudless day was strange enough, a week or a month of cloudless days was just freaky (to me, back then - it became normal soon enough, and I didn't miss the humidity.) Now I miss those skies. The sky is ugly now.
Tuxedo Moon - Seeding The Clouds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRFjHdR5y6w 12 minutes, not a dance tune, but would make a good background for reading the rest of the comments here....
You seriously think that aluminum at that concentration is coming from spraying?
Were you testing the water or the riverbed sediments?
If the water, I would double check your calculations or look for illegal disposal up river. No way in hell is that coming from spraying. Especially since if it were from spraying, it would have to be washed into the river system via rain, which seems to be uncommon given the drought.
pods
We are testing the water south of Freeport, which is just south of Sacramento. It is after the confluence of the American and Sacramento rivers, so we are getting water from all of Northern Cal at that point. I am only looking at surface water dissolved metals results as determined by ICP, no sediments.
I'll post more later - actually have to work for a while...
"Surface water" at "grams per liter" for aluminum? Bull fucking shit, no way the solubility is that high. Aluminum might be soluble to those levels in nitric acid but certainly not water. Things don't look good for that Ph.D. dude.
See my comment below. I suck when things move right of the zero point...
Well, I used to run ICP (OES and MS) and would be curious to hear more.
I would look for an illegal dump or discharge from a water treatment plant that used aluminum sulfate as a flocculant myself but I doubt California would use this.
Outside of that, possibly naturally occuring pockets but ppt levels are pretty tough to achieve. Even low ppm values are considered high. My guess is that Cali would have gone apeshit over these types of levels.
pods
Just to clarify: I was off by a factor of a thousand. It is showing up in low *milligrams* per liter, not grams. And normal ranges are in the low- to mid- micrograms per liter.
I'm not actually a metals analyst, just looking at data our lab has generated. Total recoverable metals by EPA method 200.8. Sorry for the confusion!
oh hey pods - I think you'll find this interesting; Vid Chemtrails are Coal Ash
Neat, huh. It's like flourides in the drinking water; turn a toxic waste material that's hard to dispose of safely, into a "product" that can be sold.
Currently researching new swear words; the old ones just don't cut it. Open to suggestions, of course.
pos-No such thing as 'naturally occuring pockets ' of aluminum. Aluminum is processed, refined from the mineral Bauxite which is the progenitor of aluminum.
For sure some company dumped aluminum shit in the water, no way does it come from spraying.
I have data from 2002 onwards. I also have data on river flow volumes, and there is no correlation that I can see - the higher amounts don't happen when the river is either low or high, but are truly sporadic. I need to look at rainfall data to see if these levels are associated with rain events, but I haven't found a good database yet.
The river before 2002 had fair amounts of aluminum naturally, in the low- to mid- micrograms per liter range, probably mostly due to feldspar in granite from the hills. What I have seen since is quite different; in fact, since 2002 the river pH itself has increased by one-half unit. Could it be aluminum oxide causing this, perhaps?
Just speculation at this point, and unfortunately that's where it will have to stay as my own boss is not on board with what I am finding, especially once I mentioned a link between fish deaths in our tests coinciding with the disappearance of Delta smelt in the river...so none of this is official. But it is pretty damning personally when I look at all the data we have on hand here.
EDIT: it's MILLIGRAMS per liter, not grams...shit, math is why I studied Biology.
Well, looks like the only publicly available data you provide is 21 upvotes on Zero Hedge. What does it all mean? Tell us, we can handle the "TRUTH"
Print moar snow pack..
or just ice - lots of ice - I'll send over my ex-wife - problem solved
LOL. Seriously though... here is a useful (NOAA.gov) site for the N.Am. snowpack levels.
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/interactive/html/map.html
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20150401000142&c...
Pretty soon there will be an exodus of Californians bound for Oklahoma.
No thanks
I'm hearing a Merle Haggard tune...
"I'm proud to be an Okie from Rancho Cucamonga"
You're walkin on the fightin' side of me
Always :-)
If we make it through December, someday we'll look back and realize mama tried.
I hear they's plenty o' internet in Oklahomey.
Oklahoma is full. Perhaps they should all move to Mexico?
You mean move back...
Mostly. There are some native-born anglos they could give a lift to.
O said there are 57 states...send every Obama voter to the other seven.
You know, China does have all those ghost cities...
Tell 'em that Oklahoma is East, not North, dammit!
We can only hope that Brad Pitt (from Oklahoma) will move back there with Angelina. Anything to get her out of Hollywood would be great.
"Pretty soon there will be an exodus of Californians"
I realize that you were joking, given your full statement, but this is true. Californians, not to mention Las Vegas residents are going to need to start heading somewhere when there's no longer enough water to support the populations.
At what point do businesses and investors start factoring this in? 30-year mortgages are still being given for real estate in Las Vegas in spite of the fact that lake Mead will likely be too low to support current usage by next year (2016), resulting in mandatory usage reductions. The band is continuing to play, as the ship takes on more and more water - ironic pun intended, hah.
It really is crazy that while Scientists are sounding the alarm, seemly no financial analysts are taking notice. Our society really has decended into mass denial. I realize that I'm preaching to the choir here, but THEY'RE STILL BUILDING HOUSES IN LAS VEGAS!
Ref: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/las-vegas-will-go-dry-if-water-...
Don't ever waste time trying to fix stupid. Eventually stupid "fixes" itself.
Let evolution work people...
I realized that at the bright age of 25, when I was busting ass, cared for and tried to help those who seemed disadvantaged (mostly distant family)... then I realized most individuals are where they are because of decisions and choices that they made (including blaming others for their misery, and being lazy)... It's been 2 years, I am less stressed and focusing on myself. If anyone needs my help they better bust ass like I did (graduated with honors while working full time and received 3 promotions during my university years, then got my CFA charter while working full time as a VP).
We are the product of our choices, if you do not develop your skills and make yourself marketable then life will be very tough for you.. Mother Nature is a cruel mistress, you either evolve or you perish.
We need a tad more of that They perished.. stuff
Indeed. Which is why we can kiss mankind goodbye. Humans are a failed species. Humans are finished... just counting the days.
Arctic sea ice sets new record winter low
http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/
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One more melt before Paris
AGW is fraud. But duh, of course the weather has always changed in various cyclic and random manners. The MWP was much warmer than now. Warmer is better for mankind.
Of course air, water and land pollution can be very harmful. And they are getting worse because the attention of most humans who care about the earth environment have been coopted by the AGW fraud.
But you told me arctic ice was making a big comeback. So did The Daily Mail LULZ
And it did. Ever hear of seasons. It is now April, not January. That's a whole season. It is you who ignore the fact that the weather on earth was warmer in the MWP, which is pre-oil and pre-industrialization. Not only was life better during those years due to warmer weather, but the LIE that melting polar caps will flood coasts and bury islands around the world DID NOT HAPPEN.
But... don't let reality and "inconvenient truths" get in your way. Believe whatever nonsense you wish. Just don't try to enslave us to "solve" some supposed fake problem that you have been brainwashed to believe. I refuse. We refuse.
Daily presentations on Zero Hedge of charts which show trend lines cutting through the variabilities. It was intellectually dishonest of you to suggest one data point, an increase in ice extent in 2013 being an increase from the lowest extent in the modern world record that being 2012, is evidence that global warming is not happening. Are you disagreeing with the conclusion reached last year regarding the likely fate of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet?
Average global temp increases and decreases similarly show as variability on trend lines. I don't ignore the MWP any more than I ignore the -80F in 1200BC. Within one generation, Californians will disappear like the Mycenaeans did???
The natural variability historically had huge implications for our civilizations. At the end of the last ice age, the world warmed up an average of 90F, the ice melted and the oceans rose up flooding the valley known as Bering Straight and the plains between New Guinea and Australia, stranding the folks we now call (native/aboriginal/First Nations) Americans and Australians.
Point is, it eventually got to the point where the changes in the weather "changed them from groups of free-wheeling individuals into a hierarchical society with rigid rules..."
Tax collectors and a bureaucracy to spend the money is what we are, and what we have been for thousands of years. That you have issues with that based on your ideology doesn't alter the climate data, the pattern of which indicates we may have a MAJOR MALFUNCTION coming our way. I guess you want that to happen so you personally, hidden away in your cave, will inherit the Earth. At what point do you worry that you may be inheriting The Sixth Mass Extinction? Well obviously you don't, so it's easy to infer that you don't have and don't plan to have children. Paradoxically, upon examination of the data, one would seriously have to ponder the decision to bring children into this world. If I knew 15 years ago what I knOw now...
But the system as we know it would collapse overnight if suddenly everyone decided to not have children. The movie Children Of Men gives a dystopian view of that civilization. Moreover it suggests that individuals had no choice in the matter. It's the ignorance of the data and the pattern therein that allows those you call "the predators that be" to continue to enslave the masses by falsely assuring us that having children is the perfectly natural right thing to do. ( Check this out: my first job on a farm was in 'spring of '93. The guy that hired me was one of 19 children of a mixed marriage. I dated his little sister who had straight black hair all the way down to her ass, if you catch my drift). It's easy too; biological destiny, family values, Roe vs Wade, church, successful corporate CEO with the family portrait on the desk, China's evil one-child policy, global warming hoax, ISIS!, etc, etc, etc,...
Let me summarize: failure in Paris opens the door to BAU. Expect a carbon copy of Obama's Iran nuclear weapons statement of yesterday in Paris: blah blah blah BAU. Which of course is a carbon copy of Obama's speech in Copenhagen. In light of the data, there should be a call for a global one-child policy at a minimum. Your 'arguments' protect BAU. Fortunately they are intellectually dishonest as seen in the crap you wrote here.
"We refuse" LULZ.
"MEAN BUSINESS will be redarrowed by "we" for not believing us when we say AGW is a fraud. "We" would have the data if we had the funding."
What else do I need to knOw about 'we'?
Figuratively and literally, cunts are still running the world. Women of the world unite! Refuse to have children. Smash the system.
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James Burke - After The Warming 1989 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfE8wBReIxw&feature=player_detailpage
Jarruad, Michelle - 31MAR14 IPCC AR5 WGII press release -
"There is no pause"
Jarvis Cocker - Running The World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monyiOsoKxg
(featured in the film Children Of Men) - "smash the system"
Oh, I believe humans and earth are screwed alright. And I believe that's true due to human actions. However, not from AGW, but from ever-increasing authoritarianism and globalism.
You know what the single biggest recent environmental disaster was? Most likely, the answer is Fukashima. And Fukashima is 100% designed, approved, implemented and regulated by the same human predators you want to control every individual on planet earth.
They are the PROBLEM. Not the solution.
And as a general comment, change is normal. When large numbers of humans take stupid or thoughtless actions, it is ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE that THEY suffer the consequences. Not all mankind.
As an example: If the luxury oceanfront (and near-ocean) real-estate and homes Al Gore purchased are flooded due to AGW (or other reasons), it is Al Gore and/or his insurance company who should suffer. Not the rest of mankind.
Then please stop conflating. If I go to my doctor with a high fever and he says I have an infection and prescribes me anti-biotics, does that make him a "predator that be" and authoritarian? Is my beef with him or with the overall healthcare system? I can be mad as hell with the system but that doesn't make the doctor's data collection, analysis, and recommendation invalid.
So it is with the IPCC. The mountain of data tells them the planet is running a fever and human activity is the perp. They recommend 'medicine' but it's the patient (the nations of the world) that decide whether to take it or not. The meds we were taking (Kyoto) are not working anymore. The patient is constrained by the healthcare system so if it doesn't take the medicine , say because it's too expensive, then it is fairly clear it's not the doctor that's at fault (of course doctors are not perfect and may have selfish motives), let's hurl the criticism at the deserving party. That's the United Nations.
" It is possible to apply scientific methods to gather data regarding the set of conditions which cause deaths, and to interpret those patterns in ways which could influence the conditions that cause deaths." RM
And criticize the UN I do. Arguing with the doctor at this stage is untenable. After the failure of Copenhagen, and that disgusting performance by Obama & Clinton, my illusions about the UN were painfully shattered. I paid virtually no attention to the issue but became aware at 30 months out that Paris was happening in the wake of the 5th IPCC Assessment Report. What I'm suggesting is that certain Parties see clearly what "the predators-that-be" did to sabotage Copenhagen and won't be falling into that trap in Paris. These Parties could easily represent half of the world's population. These are Parties that were not hoodwinked by Kerry's slick speech in Peru last December. These are Parties that will be prepared to simply walk out of the Paris meeting in a very public way. That could very well spell the end of the road for The United Nations.
These Parties, in case you haven't noticed, will have no trust for those who are clearly seen to be using the institution to control any opposition. Once the trust is shattered, the fallout will be that these Parties will refuse to do business with those identified as untrustworthy. Are you getting my drift? Finally, I also tend to believe that the pressure of the upcoming Paris meeting is having a more profound influence on other events in a looping feedback mechanism that is getting crazier by the day. Why? Look at the events that have unfolded since the record low Arctic ice extent at the end of summer 2012, which was the shot heard around the world in every nation's capitol. Snowden, Syria chem weapons, Ukraine, ISIS, now it's Yemen and Iran. How the hell are these people supposed to sign a legally binding agreement in Paris under these conditions? Well maybe the "predators-that-be' don't want any agreement to be reached in Paris.
The point of the James Burke vid, which again is 25 years old and therefore predates An Inconvenient Truth by 15 years(!) is that not only did he discuss the MWP but all the other old arguments seen over and over again on Zero Hedge: the computers models are inaccurate, endless reports and conferences, natural climate cycles, they had to change it from "global warming" to "climate change" when Burke uses the term "climate change" 90 seconds!!! into the presentation entitled After The WARMING, and of course the carbon tax. This is the most-oft repeated here so I ask: If the all-powerful PTB were talking about a 6% tax 25 years ago and here we are with no global carbon tax, how much money would this tax have raked in? Then why didn't the illuminati/cabal/ALIENS! TPTB make Al Gore POTUS and get that tax up and running??? Instead we got?
So I say "all roads lead to Paris". The Doc tells us if we don't start taking our medicine now we're running the risk of getting so sick we will never recover and that will possibly makes those around us sick too. Mass extinction. Is the IPCC an evil Doctor? not likely but not impossible. Does the healthcare (sickcare!) system give a rats ass if I (or my children or my children's children's children) die? Apparently not.
One more point: policy makers aren't making policy based on voter comments on Zero Hedge. They can only make policy on doctor's recommendations. AR5 took six years to produce. It was based on over 30,000 published reviewed science articles, over 150,000 professional comments etc etc. If Paris is lost, we likely can't expect anything until ~2020 with AR6. I shudder to think what the prognosis will be in 2020 let alone the cost of the meds!
So please stop saying AGW is a fraud/hoax when what you should be saying is that the hoax may be that the United Nations is going to deal with this disease. You come across as an extremest whackaloon when you do that, certainly in the eyes of the doctors. And as I said in my previous comment, you're actually causing the reverse to happen, you are paving the way for BAU.
I would like nothing more than to see the summer Arctic area/extent CRASH this summer so that those folks arrive in Paris SHITTING BRICKS.
You should listen carefully to what Evo Morales (the guy with the balls to stand up in the UNHQ holding a coca leaf) said at CMP10 last December in Peru:
Evo Morales CHina+77 @CMP10
Soon,
I MEAN BUSINESS. THIS IS MEAN BUSINESS, THE MEANEST BUSINESS OF ALL ALL ROADS LEAD TO PARIS
You picked the wrong person to discuss that doctor example with. Yes, most doctors usually behave as predators. And yes, the reason is usually because they follow the instructions provided to them by predators-DBA-government.
The fact is, I stopped going to doctors entirely about 3 years ago, and I will never go again unless I have some emergency that I cannot resolve myself. Then... maybe. I now take natural herbs to stay healty and deal with illnesses, and they work vastly better than the "take this dozens of side-effects crap for the rest of your life" they prescribed.
I'll give you just one example of my experiences with doctors, and I can assure you. This is not the worst, though the worst examples were not my illnesses, but visiting friends. They killed one of them.
They almost killed me. I lived in Maui then, and I caught typhus, which is a common problem in Maui and the other islands. Fleas on rats carry typhus, and get onto house pets and other small animals (rabbits, etc) when they play with rats or other pets. When a human gets too close to them (or holds or pets them, which I never did), the humans can catch typhus. This happened to me 3 times during the many years I lived on Maui, and the symptoms for me were horrific, but unique and trivial for me to identify.
So I go to the doctor. The doctor claims "there is no typhus here". This is not only a blatant lie, this is well known to be a blatant lie. He refuses to prescribe doxycycline or any of the two or three well-known antibiotics that work well on typhus, even though I knew precisely what I had from past experience, and knew for certain doxycycline would cure me quickly. He also claimed that a human cannot catch typhus more than once, which is also flat out wrong.
I could barely see or function I was in such bad shape, but I managed to find a company in NZ (now in Vanuatu) where I could order doxycycline and get very expensive but very fast delivery. And so I did. Fortunately, due to time zones (earlier in the day in NZ), I received delivery the next day and managed to save my life. The next time I got typhus I had doxycycline and was able to wipe it out before I was "on my deathbed". Since then, I've never been without doxycycline, and never intend to be, just in case (it is a rather broad spectrum antibiotic, so also useful for other purposes if necessary, and also fairly inexpensive).
WHY did the doctor behave this way? Because the predators-DBA-government tell him not to admit Maui has typhus, because maybe some infinitesimal percentage of Maui visitor might find out and vacation elsewhere. Needless to say, any doctor who follows directions like that are absolutely, positively egregious predators. Given the fact regular folks are not legally allowed to get their hands on (even very safe) substances they need to stay alive or cure illness, this behavior is not just predatory, but egregiously, viciously, outrageously predatory.
I understand the pressures doctors and other so-called "professional" are under to act as predators on behalf of predators-DBA-government. That is no excuse... especially for doctors, but also all other. If you kill someone because they nag you to do so, that does not excuse you. Ditto for following any order by any predator, no matter what name they pretend to be or support.
So I answer your question by saying I have a gripe with ALL the predators involved in every abuse and mistreatment I suffer. ALL of them. The AMA are all predators too. The administration and professors in medical universities and all predators too, because they train them to harm and abuse humans. Everyone involved is a predator, either directly or indirectly (in the sense a hitman was just following orders, just like they were).
When corruption becomes widespread, that does not excuse the corruption, or make that corruption less harmful (just the opposite).
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The IPCC is just as corrupt, if not more so (difficult to compare or measure). AGW is a fraud, one of the most massive and obscene frauds in history. The evidence is overwhelming. So overwhelming that I pay ZERO attention any more, because nothing they could say could carry any weight with me any more, and I refuse to waste large quantities of time trying to get to the truth any more (like I used to a few years ago). So I didn't even know anything was scheduled for Paris, and I don't care.
Furthermore, even if the worst case will happen, my reply is tough luck, turkeys. ALL of the proposed "solutions" and "mitigations" are vastly worse than the worst case scenario from doing nothing. And that assumes I'm totally full of crap, and they have been flat out correct all along... which is IMPOSSIBLE at this point in time.
I don't intend to argue with doctors or that contradiction called "government or NGO employed scientist". The terms "government" and "NGO" are antonyms of "scientist", and in this case, those humans deemed to be scientist by those predators-DBA-government and predators-DBA-NGO are NOT scientists. They are sellout apologists, issuing lies in exchange for paychecks, [false] prestige, positions and propaganda in shape of papers.
I have no comments about the goings on in Peru or Paris, because I have not been paying ANY attention to any "official proceedings or events" for several years. I don't care. I refuse to comply. I refuse to obey. I refuse to pay. Up theirs!
I agree with your statement that implies if not says "nobody can trust what anyone official says any more, based on the egregiousness of lies and fraud and deceit and predatory behavior the past several years". And so I don't. I reject them ALL.
Not just because they deserve to be rejected (as they do), but because the term "authority" itself is a fiction and a fraud. I refer here to the second meaning of "authority", namely "some one who has a valid, ethical, legitimate basis to force others to obey them and/or pay them". No such individual exists, and no such individual CAN exist. The term is inherently 100% fiction.
I do not object to the other common meaning for "authority", which derives from the term "author" and carries the presumption that authors tend to know more about a topic they specialize in than random folks. But notice, that meaning of "authority" carries precisely ZERO basis to force others to pay them, obey them, respect them, believe them or anything else. It is merely a general assumption, one that becomes less reliable as time passes.
Note: Just because one (or some of) the predators-that-be talked about a 6% global carbon tax 25 years ago, and there is no global carbon tax today, does not mean there has been no carbon tax in many locations, and also does not mean huge cash-flow and behavioral consequences have not occurred during those 25 years. They have.
I know people in NZ. Ask them about carbon taxes. They'll give you an earful.
You know what? Humans deserve mass extinction.
Furthermore, a mass extinction would be a very good thing for the human species. I mean that literally and completely. Now, before you get on your high horse, I do NOT advocate ANYONE taking actions that have the purpose of harming anyone, much less kill anyone, much less kill 90% of the population or more. Nonetheless, if a mass extinction happens, that's a very, very, extremely good thing.
Humans need to face the fact that ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
I don't recall EVER saying "the UN will deal with this". Not sure what you mean by that. The fact is, I have no idea, because there are forces on both sides of the AGW issue. Obviously the globalist predators have the upper hand, since they've stolen money from billions of human beings to pay fake scientists to create endless propaganda formatted to look like "scientific papers".
And BTW, I've seen unbelievable instances of toilet-paper quality publications being presented as serious "scientific papers" in other fields on behalf of government and NGOs that have NOTHING to do with AGW. So this phenomenon is enormously widespread today. This is a huge problem, and the only cure is for ALL scientists to stop working for governments, corporations and [special-interest] NGOs (all NGOs are special interest NGOs as far as I know).
I would LOVE the polar caps to melt. Totally melt. No ice anywhere on the planet. That would settle the claims about how much water levels would rise in such a scenario, and prove even the most basic claims in the AGW argument are pure feces.
I'm not causing anything to happen, because nobody listens to me. Or at least nobody that has 0.000001% influence on any action taken or not taken.
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No matter WHAT the facts are about AGW, even if I am 100% wrong and the consequences are worse than the worst case predictions, AGW is nowhere near as dangerous as globalist authoritarianism and the mass enslavement of mankind that's happening as we speak/type. Or perhaps the overwhelming desire neocons have to start a nuclear war with Russia. That will be "nice" (sarcasm), if the predators cause a global thermonuclear war... AND... we all find out AGW is real and worse than anyone imagined (no chance, but whatever).
BRING IT ON. Well, let's do without the nuclear war portion.
Though I will not take any actions to harm anyone, I will not be displeased if human beings manage to wipe 99% of themselves out. Or 99.999% for that matter. Think of that is analogous to chemotherapy. Okay, not a perfect analogy, but you know what I mean.
So omnicide (worst case scenario) is possible but you'd like to avoid nuclear war? LULZ
any chance you're a moron?
Not likely. As I said, humans stubbornly refuse to shape up (get sane). Apparently they need a wake-up call. Hopefully a 99% to 99.999% wipeout would do the trick. Maybe, maybe not. Humans are rather far gone.
Meaning that a real estate boom is about to commence from the Midwest to the East Coast as millions of Californians leave the drought stricken state. Nothing like a little creative destruction.
This means the high speed rail to nowhere will never be crowded.
But cheer up, IF 50% of the population leaves, namely the ones who won't be able to afford the water that is left, that means the per capita income level will rise. /sarcasm/
I'm sure golf courses are exempt, right?
"The measures include replacing 50 million square feet of lawns throughout the state with drought-tolerant landscaping, banning the watering of grass on public street medians, requiring agricultural water users to report their water use to state regulators, and requiring large landscapes such as campuses, golf courses and cemeteries to make significant cuts in water use."
playing golf on a pumice fairway is gonna be a bitch.
Awesome roll on the drive - I'm in
Obama's golf handicap will change.
Best course here, Jess Ranch, had (I think) sixteenth hole that was basically desert scrub. Was the best play. Ball would bounce off the hardpan and slow on the sand in front of the green. Years ago the only bad part was listening to the screams from the mental kids housed at Roy Rogers charity. They built two gated housing communities back that way during the boom. East side of the new road there are people. West side is a shit load of empty new and decaying McMansions. Sixteenth hole now has(had) grass...haven't been there in about eight years or so.
Only golf courses that are owned by cronies will be exempt. Especially if they know the POTUS.
All 1140 of them.
http://www.golflink.com/golf-courses/state.aspx?state=CA
Of course. Anything owned by the elite.
Here come the hairy-scary theories to save California.
$100 says "icebergs delivered by helicopters" in 5, 4, 3 . . . .
Naah, Warren Buffet's non-compliant oil tank cars will be hauling water instead.
In the same tank too. Water and oil don't mix, very efficient transportation method when water reaches parity with oil.
Throw in some garlic and sell it as salad dressing.
Yep, I think so. But water is heavier.
Tee the Keystone Pipeline System and move water instead of oil.
Can't be global warming or that would make Gore right.
"California drought: Past dryperiods have lasted more than 200 years, scientsts say."
Beides inventing the internet, Gore most likely invented time travel, went back in time and took credit for previous climate changes.
The only thing static is stupidity.
So it's not global warming because it happens every few hundred thousand years. So Gore should have just said, here we go again. And yes I'm sure that nothing man has done contributes anything to this one. I really don't give a fuck because something else will get me long before I get thirsty.
The Cali drought back in the 'teens will be looked upon quite differently later this century...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39cBqY1sszY (1 minute) (I don't think these are your Dad's computer models)
Paris is essentially our last window of opportunity to realistically achieve scenario 1
Mega-floods occur roughly every 200 years according to research...followed by epic droughts.
WARNING Roadhazard: Don't say anything supporting those two words on this board or the knuckle-dragger brigade will rip your lungs out.
Check out http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/California-drought-Solar-desalinat...
Historically, CA has survived numerous droughts. Why? It previously has a wide spread, effective water retention system. Over the past 30 years that system has been steadily eroded by envionmental challenges. So, today they are without recourse.
Q.E.D., motherfuckers.
You sure it wasn't 30 years of people moving north of the border that outdated the system?
Potato, pahtahto.
Well, that and the fact that there weren't 30 Million fucking people living in SoCal back then.
When the water goes away, cannibalism and anarchy will be directly on its heels.
You can mark that one down.
What shall we have for dinner, honey?
How about Mexican?
I don't know about cannibalism...mexicans are tough and chewy.
Expert says only one year of water remaining. Guess no one saw that coming or else Government would have taken steps sooner. At least they decided to cut back by 25%. That should solve the problem.
same could be said for debt and ponzi wall street!
Is Famiglietti including all of the water in Lake Tahoe in his calculation cause it's next. When they are done with that, they'll come for the great lakes. It isn't a water problem, it's a pipeline problem.
The Great Lakes states have an agreement not to seelthe water ot any other states - for exactly this situation. Of course if this were declared a federal electoral college water emergency, I'm sure that agreement will be breached. Can't see the morons in IL not selling out ASAP.
Slant drilling.
THose types of grand plans are too late at this stage. It will never be built before the collapse.
Too late, too late.
Heh, you think the tree huggers that live up at Tahoe(mega rich tree huggers at that) would ever allow a water pipeline to be built to take there water west? Besides us Nevadans have dibs on it already as the only natural outflow, the Truckee River, goes east into Nevada.
flooding almonds groves ain't gonna cut it no mo'.
Boy do you have that right...
waiting for truck farming to return to the east coast (where it actually rains).
But, but, "technology will save us"...
Silly humans...
Remember folks, half of you are below average...
......and getting dumber.
https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/IQ/1950-2050/
One more year of this and you will see mass (forced) migration of millions of people to neighboring States. California won't have a choice, and neither will the Feds nor the neighboring States who don't want their State tainted with Californians, to do otherwise. This would be (one of potentially many) 'fuses' lit that precipitates 'social unrest'.
I look forward to the steep discount on ocean frontage.
move 'em to mexico - its almost empty anyway since the mexicans all migrated up to calif
Who bails CalPERS? Utah?
Everyone...It's TBTF.
We have more than enough California refugees in Austin, and maybe a few more can fit but they gotta leave their Mexicans behind.