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U.S. Defense Secretary: We Might Bomb Iran Even If a Peace Agreement Is Signed

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U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter said that a deal with Iran wouldn’t necessarily prevent war.

Military.com reports:

The U.S. will reserve the right to use military force to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon even if a deal is reached Iran’s nuclear program, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Tuesday.

 

The military option certainly will remain on the table,” Carter said as negotiators in Lausanne, Switzerland, struggled to reach an agreement ahead of a March 31 deadline.

 

“One of my jobs is to make sure all options are on the table,’ Carter said in remarks at Syracuse University and earlier on NBC’s “Today” program.

We thought that Iran getting nuclear weapons was the main reason we were thinking of bombing them.  So if a peace deal is signed with the U.S., why are we still talking about bombing them? 

What's going on?

In reality, top American and Israeli military and intelligence officials say that Iran poses no danger.

But the hawks have desperately been trying to stir up war with Iran for decades, as part of a 65-year program of regime change all over the world carried out by the U.S.

And the U.S. has inserted itself smack dab in the middle of a religious war ... and is backing the most violent side. And see this.

The American people want peace, but the military-industrial complex wants war.

 

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Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:03 | 5951262 jomama
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April fools?

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:09 | 5951271 George Washington
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He said it yesterday ... 3/31.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 09:44 | 5951892 JRobby
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Negotiating until 6AM after the deadline had passed is supposed to state: "we tried"  Back to plan A

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:00 | 5951259 lakecity55
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The so-called MIC are the wealthy errand boys.

The entire world in controlled by a few bloodlines which stretch back into antiquity.

Today they live in London and central Europe. In past times they lived in the East.
They have lived in the shadows, mostly, for recorded history.

All the rich guys you hear about, Morgan, Rockefeller, etc were their visible operatives.

With the lone exceptions of the British and later, American revolutionaries, they have never been challenged.

They will always rule until they don't; only a Higher Power will decide that at a later date, since they will pay for usurping The HP and screwing over everyone else.

I think of it simply as Good vs. Evil

 

 

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 01:30 | 5951352 weburke
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"never been challenged" ?        lots of guys died during the bush era, clinton era, bush era, obama era fighting against. you just dont notice it.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:32 | 5951209 Victory_Garden
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Yup!

These arseholes might actually do it.

Attack innocent Iran around Easter, or possibly after. When is Hitler's birthday? And, what are those decievious isrealli war mongering, not the people of God doing now?

Hold on, the dogs have got their teeth into someone yelling out on the north forty again. Prolly one of those revenuers again. They put eight of them in the hospital last year. One may never see again, and another not walk. All will never quiyuck any moar. Those little doggies seem to have a real taste for the nutsack on males. Not gonna tell ya what they like about women. It's pretty snarly.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:25 | 5951197 Bumbu Sauce
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ROFL putting "reality" in as a tag for this article.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 02:05 | 5951370 forexskin
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reds don't get the /i for irony.

+1

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:04 | 5951158 RSDallas
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And you really think that the U.S. is negotiating to prevent Iran from manufacturing an atomic bomb? i would surmise that Iran already has the bomb or at least a smaller, more terrorist friendly, version.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:06 | 5951150 demur
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When has Iran ever been the aggresor?  The real aggressor is the US, who goaded Saddam into war with Iran and supplied arms to kill 100s of thousands of Iranians.  I wonder how the US would respond if Iran overthrew a sitting president and installed a puppet who forced Islam down Americans throats.

If not for the Persian Cyrus, Isreal might still be a pipe dream. 

 

Bombing Iran has nothing to do with WMD. Iran justifiably detests the bankrupt godless family destroying fudge packing hegemonic US. Iran simply wants independence from the toilet paper dollar and oppressions that go along. This is a declaration of war on wall street. 

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 06:04 | 5951496 lakecity55
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" I wonder how the US would respond if Iran overthrew a sitting president and installed a puppet who forced Islam down Americans throats."

They already did that.

"Brother Borack, the Jew has you in his pocket."
"I will take their money. When I secure Office and have EO, I will turn the tables on the Jew and we shall have victory, Inshallah!"

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 01:51 | 5951338 forexskin
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no truer said, but if they gain some greater measure of power, will they use it more wisely?

what is trust among nations, if not a knife hidden in a sheath? beats me...

mosedegh's unforgivable sin was in challenging british petroleum.

 

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:30 | 5951080 are we there yet
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When you trace the history of the various Islamic extreme alphabet groups they all appear to have been created by US actions.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 06:05 | 5951499 lakecity55
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More likely incompentence, looking for a short-term solution w/o looking ahead.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:10 | 5951164 Radical Marijuana
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The more that I have looked into history, the more I had to agree with the view you expressed, are we there yet! (Although I would qualify that to point out that the US government is not controlled by the American people.)  I have always found that the more I learned, the worse it got, and therefore, I am now EXTREMELY PESSIMISTIC.

The most important "terrorist" attacks have been inside job, false flag attacks. Certainly, the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job false flag attack. The mass media were complicit in promoting the official story, which is absurd. Indeed, the mass media have been making a full meal deal out of "terrorism," because they are controlled by the same pyramidion people at the top of the social pyramid systems, who have been deliberately promoting their systems of DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS, for a long, long time.

The "War on Terror" has taken over from the previous "War on Drugs" (as well as other historical phases of the same basic means) as self-fulfilling prophesies, which are intended to drive vicious spirals of subsequent events, which provide excuses to build a fascist police state, in order to protect and advance the agenda of the runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, whereby the international bankers have already captured control over all of the world's biggest governments, and thereby, operate through combined money/murder systems based on the maximum possible frauds and deceits, within which social situation the successful politicians are practically puppets, performing for the masses of muppets, on the stage set up by the mass media.

There is no reasonable hope for the future. All of the NATO countries have become terminally sick and insane societies, whose established systems are already almost inconceivably crazy and corrupt, and automatically getting worse, faster. Social pyramid systems were always based on being able to back up lies with violence, which became more sophisticated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. The established systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS, require the vast majority of people to maintain attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards the laws of nature, in order to continue to accept the dominate, biggest bullies' social stories. Those who agree with huge lies are rewarded and promoted, while those who do not are punished. After that goes on for generation after generation, the majority of people have adapted to living inside of slave society whose absurd state religions are the monetary system and national security. Too bad. So sad!

For those nearer the central core of the dominant systems, the relatively better things still are, while for those more out towards the periphery, the worse things get! Indeed, I believe that the agenda of the ruling classes is to deliberately drive their self-fulfilling prophesies through their "War on Terror" to get so extremely bad that they will appear to have sufficient reasons to engage in the mass murder of hundreds of millions, if not billions of people. After all, despite how criminally insane it may be, the basic FACTS have become these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkCEOSgLRt4

Zbigniew Brzezinski:

"It Is Infinitely Easier to Kill a Million People than it is to Control Them."

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 01:10 | 5951333 forexskin
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rejoice in the notion, bongo, that the crisis always ends unexpectedly, but not always badly.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:28 | 5951072 dumdum
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I'd like to nominate Oh Bummer for a Nobel Peace Prize.

He so deserves a second one.

Will someone please second the motion?

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 09:54 | 5951924 GMadScientist
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Yes, but only if it's awarded for thwarting Hillary.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 09:51 | 5951911 flapdoodle
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I think the Nobel Steering Committee is working on that.

But since they were called out for giving Obama the Peace Prize already, they are about to come up with a new category, and they have unanimous agreement.

They will give Obama the very first

"Nobel War Prize"

 

 

 

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:25 | 5951069 cherry picker
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If I was Iran, I would tell the USA to go piss up a rope and if the negotiating team asks why?  Show them this clown's quote.

The USA is negotiating like they did with the natives, then they steal the land and through them on reservations.

Things haven't changed much.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 01:36 | 5951359 Shitgum Suicide
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You mean the quote that isareals destruction is non-negotiable? You mean that quote . Or was that being said for domestic consumption and not to be taken literally?

Yes let's trust Iran and all will be right in the world.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 01:56 | 5951326 forexskin
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insight, this ^. looks like fire for effect - who's calling the shots... one 'clean break' guess. except for the oil, we'd be listening to crickrts.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:25 | 5951068 Sandmann
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The UK has a general election in May. Which way must it vote to avoid being bombed by USA ?

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:47 | 5951114 knukles
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Obama as PM, whichever riding and party he arrives from, matters not.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:11 | 5951047 Bay of Pigs
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Ashton Carter is a warmongering Neocon psychopath.

Iran has nothing on this guy...

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 07:25 | 5951567 Grimaldus
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You must be a progressive assclown trying to save your brand name maybe? There is nothing neocon about Ashton Carter, he a a full flaming member of the criminal PROGRESSIVE mafia infesting the FEDGOV and breaking it's laws.

Quit blaming bush you idiot. Progressives are in charge. Hillary destroyed Libya, killed her own ambassaor and spawned ISIS while stealing 6 billion and used her personal server for it all. Obama is doing even better.

Embrace your progressive suck.

Oh and hey, looks like you forgot Iran chants death to America daily, making kerry and obombya look like the insane progressive "bend over and spread em for islamic criminals" assclowns they really are.

Grimaldus

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:10 | 5951024 dreadnaught
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simple solution: round up, imprison, then waterboard ALL NeoCON-artists for a month, daily, then line them up and shoot them for TREASON, with NRA members getting first crack.....to be SURE™!

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 21:55 | 5951007 blindman
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John Trudell - Power, Authority and Tribal Genocide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbEGYIxx2_I
.
very few enriched or empowered by dominant
social forces care for humanity in general,
by definition, "they" are obstacles, damaged
collateral; the doom in doomed at the heart of
the sick technocratic self.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 21:53 | 5951002 Prober
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GREAT NEWS - I STRONGLY APPROVE !!!!!!!!

The global policy should be to ERADICATE the deadly dangerous islamic cult.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:55 | 5951135 Radical Marijuana
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http://www.straight.com/news/420321/gwynne-dyer-explains-why-terrorism-overblown-and-why-islamists-want-western-countries

Gwynne Dyer explains why terrorism is overblown

Dyer stated:

"Statistics suggest that only about a quarter of terrorist campaigns culminate in a successful revolution." ...

"The scale of the terrorism is tiny compared to its presence in the media."

... Arabs were defeated in 20th century

In the early part of his lecture, Dyer delved into modern Middle Eastern history. He pointed out that much of the Arab world was only conquered by western powers after the First World War.

"European empires conquered the Americas in the 17th century," he stated. "They conquered most of Asia by the 18th century. They gobbled up all of Africa by the 19th century. It was only in 1918 and 1919 that the Arab world fell under infidel European rule." Borders were created, carving up the area between the British, French, and Italians, causing "profound cultural shock to the Arabs".

Dyer reminded the audience that Arabs had a long and often hostile relationship with Christendom dating back 1,500 years. "But they had never been conquered like that," he added. "Suddenly, they were under the British heel or the French heel or the Italian heel." For the next 40 years, he said, Arab countries were "being ripped off in the usual imperial way".

By the time, they achieved independence, mostly in the 1950s and 1960s, there was a shared consensus that they had to modernize, educate their populations, and build industrial capacity. According to Dyer, this was not only because it would make them prosperous, but it would also enhance their safety to ensure that they would never again be conquered. This view was shared, he said, by Arab intellectuals, military personnel, and most people in the streets in the 1950s and 1960s. The goal was to replicate the economic success of the west while retaining Arab culture. But this shared project went off the rails, Dyer said, because the leaders were almost always young military officers ...

... the Arab world is the second poorest region in the world. Given current economic growth rates in Africa, he predicted that the Arab countries will become the poorest within 15 years. "There's virtually no science done in the Arab countries," Dyer said, characterizing the region as being gripped with "poverty, illiteracy, ignorance, and despair". ... It's astounding how little the Middle East matters. I mean it monopolizes our news media but the Middle East contains 10 percent of the world's people. Only five percent of world's people are Arabs. And it accounts for about three percent of the world's economy, including all the oil." ...

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 01:03 | 5951323 forexskin
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reality check time, bongo.

lose that 3% of the economy that is oil and lose also the remaining 97%

this shit will end only when *they* no longer sit on *our* oil

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:07 | 5951038 George Washington
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Why do you want to back the most VIOLENT and CRAZY Muslim terrorists? Do you want to support ISIS and Al Qaeda?

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:21 | 5951059 Prober
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I want to support them ALL in killing each other and destroying ALL their infrastructure, to minimize the expense required to then kill off the remainder and eradicate the islamic cult permanently.

Everyone should just imagine what a MUCH BETTER world we would have without the deadly destructive islamic cult - we CAN and SHOULD eradicate it, using ANY and ALL means available, including encouraging and supporting them in killing each other.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:46 | 5951111 knukles
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Certainly seems to be manifest destiny visioned by US foreign policy. 

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:24 | 5951192 Radical Marijuana
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I would wonder, knuckles, whether anyone else would survive through that kind of runaway eruption of criminal insanities? That seems to me to be the relevant question, which tends to be deliberately ignored. After all, these days all it would take is someone criminally insane enough to sufficiently deploy a biological weapon in order to destroy civilization as we know it.

US foreign policy is based upon the criminal insanities that presume it is possible to continue to successfully back up lies with violence, or enforce frauds, without the real costs of doing that not overwhelming all of the possible benefits from having done so.

Full spectrum dominance is full spectrum psychosis.

US foreign policy is primarily to promote the interests of the international banksters, who regard Islamic countries as a threat to their ability to achieve total hegemony. (Of course, I regard Islamic countries as being governed by criminally insane systems too, but they are not nearly as great of a threat as the international banksters and their buddies that are controlling NATO countries.) US foreign policy is directed towards attempting to privatize the planet, in ways whereby everything is universally dominated by systems of backing up lies with violence, or enforcing frauds.

That there have been weapons of mass destruction developed that are trillions of times more powerful and capable, such that one biological weapon would be enough to destroy civilization as we know it, has NOT yet changed the ways that the psychopathic people who have been historically successful by being the dominant organized crime gangs continue to believe that they could continue to become even more successful, by even more so enforcing frauds, or backing up lies with violence, DESPITE THE DEVELOPMENT OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, that are trillions of times more destructive than anything else that ever existed before in human history, and which, therefore, human beings have totally failed to adapt to, other than by becoming much more criminally insane!

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 14:17 | 5952938 SofaPapa
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"Full spectrum dominance is full spectrum psychosis."

+1 for this quote.  Perfect equivalence.  Kudos.

 


Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:29 | 5951201 knukles
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Nicely said, RM.  Nicely.  BTW, am rereading Butler's War is a Racket

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:52 | 5951314 forexskin
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perhaps disagree in one sense - the conflation of privatise with monopolise - the former writ broadly tends, however imperfectly, to limit aggregation of power, while the latter guarantees it.

think more, extemporize less, bongo.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 21:56 | 5951009 farmerbraun
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The global policy should be to ERADICATE the deadly dangerous superstitious theistic  cults.

Fixed it for you.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 09:26 | 5951833 JRobby
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deadly dangerous banking cabal and its government(s) lackey's that create wars, televised to the world by it's propaganda operatives, the MSM

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 22:18 | 5951055 Prober
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Your proposal is more comprehensive and I approve, but pragmatically you have to start with just one and get the others to participate in killing off one of their hated competitors, then you can repeat the tactic getting the remaining primitives to eradicate the next most hated and dangerous ideology, etc until all are eradicated.

Humans can never evolve above the primitive savage unless and until they have been purged of all this mythologcal dogmatic ideological garbage.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:37 | 5951218 George Washington
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Do you hate Christianity and Judaism as much as you do Islam?

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:26 | 5951293 Prober
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The christians, especially catholics, and the jews were just as oppressive, conquering, suppressing, subjugating, torturing, oppressing, imprisoning, murdering, coercively converting, etc, in the past as the islamic cult worshipers have always been and still are today.

But the christians and jews do not have those behaviors encoded in their cult handbook the way that the islamic cult does, eg mandatory conversion or killing of non-believers, and the excesses of the christians, especially the catholics, and the jews, were greatly reduced through revolts, eg the reformation, 30-years war, loss of followers, rise of secular governments, etc. They still try to exert their power and impose their ideology, eg the passing of the religious freedom laws in the USA, but they have to be subtle about it because the resistance in the western cultures is too strong for them to use the brute force tactics that they used to employ, as the islamic cult worshipers still do today.

If I were living in the era of the catholic inquisition, then I would be just as opposed to the catholic cult as I am to the islamic cult.

However, at this point in time, the greatest danger is the islamic cult worshipers, as is obvious from looking at the global map and current events.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:36 | 5951303 forexskin
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perhaps you would deign to enlighten in regard to future history's view of your flavor of restraint?

pretend you are writing it, if you wish.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 23:43 | 5951234 farmerbraun
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I saw no mention of hate. Are you presuming?

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:13 | 5951274 George Washington
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Wanting to kill 2 billion people ... yes, that's as hateful as one can get.

Was Adolph Hitler not a hateful man in your book? Or did he "lovingly" want to wipe out the Jews?

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:44 | 5952299 ILLILLILLI
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Actually, George, Hitler just wanted the Jews to "go away"...to anywhere else but Germany. The detailed history of the era bears this fact out.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:36 | 5951302 Prober
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The islamic cult worshipers should be given the same choice that their own handbook demands they impose upon others:

convert or die.

They claim to have a "religion of peace", so they should be offered the choice to convert to a real religion of peace, eg Buddhism, or get recycled.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:33 | 5951301 Prober
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The nazis were ideological idiots with their scientifically false racial hatreds. If they had been practical and rational, they could have recruited to their causes as supporters and allies all the "racial groups" that they pseudoscientifically ideologically predetermined to be inferior, eg jews, slavs, etc, in which case the Nazis would have prevailed in WW2 and we would all be speaking German now.

When the Nazis first entered Eastern Europe and Russia, before they started their slaughter campaign against the locals, they were welcomed as liberators from the Bolsheviks, and if they had refrained from slaughtering the locals and instead truly liberated them and recruited them, then they would have defeated the Red Army.

Thu, 04/02/2015 - 00:39 | 5951304 forexskin
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the nazis were tools. look in your mirror, and see the like.

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