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U.S. Defense Secretary: We Might Bomb Iran Even If a Peace Agreement Is Signed
U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter said that a deal with Iran wouldn’t necessarily prevent war.
Military.com reports:
The U.S. will reserve the right to use military force to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon even if a deal is reached Iran’s nuclear program, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Tuesday.
“The military option certainly will remain on the table,” Carter said as negotiators in Lausanne, Switzerland, struggled to reach an agreement ahead of a March 31 deadline.
“One of my jobs is to make sure all options are on the table,’ Carter said in remarks at Syracuse University and earlier on NBC’s “Today” program.
We thought that Iran getting nuclear weapons was the main reason we were thinking of bombing them. So if a peace deal is signed with the U.S., why are we still talking about bombing them?
What's going on?
In reality, top American and Israeli military and intelligence officials say that Iran poses no danger.
But the hawks have desperately been trying to stir up war with Iran for decades, as part of a 65-year program of regime change all over the world carried out by the U.S.
And the U.S. has inserted itself smack dab in the middle of a religious war ... and is backing the most violent side. And see this.
The American people want peace, but the military-industrial complex wants war.
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i guess insanity, as vengrance, is a dish best served cold.
he is perhaps full of it...
I see that you have thought this through.
Superstition as a genetically- proliferated population control mechanism.
I see that we have a couple of deniers.
Can I interest you in this?
"The Spirit in the Gene" by Reg Morrison. It's an interesting thesis.
A small sample-
Precisely what we believe is immaterial; what matters is the kind of behaviour that belief generates. . . . As far as our genes are concerned we can believe that the universe is driven by an overweight fairy on a green cheese bicycle provided that such belief effectively coerces us into adopting tribal behaviour in all matters of evolutionary consequence, such as feeding, mating, nurturing, bonding, and protecting family, tribe and territory.
* * *
Despite the astonishing behavioral flexibility that has steered this maladapted primate so adroitly through some 2.5 million hazardous years, the animal is still vulnerable in the way that all animals are vulnerable: through its adaptive specialisations. By endowing the human brain with its language facility, evolution has ensured that human genes will continue to bypass the cerebral cortex at will, disguising fact with ‘significance’ and turning imagination into perceived fact. This prodigious talent for spiritualising its perceptions seems certain to keep this sapient primate safely sequestered from reality and well within reach of the biosphere’s standard forms of population control.
There were three evolutionary prerequisites for our particular flaw: in view of our physical inadequacy it needed to be extraordinarily beneficial to begin with, and even when switched into its destruct mode it had to remain well disguised and thoroughly tamper-proof. All of those evolutionary requirements have been fulfilled. Our timebomb is mysticism. Its delivery system is language. And its hiding place? The unfathomable coils of our DNA.”
omnicide?
justify your view by being a very public first.
just do it.
You misunderstood the thesis. Superstition prevents humankind from becoming a plague species.
Don't concern yourself: Jesus will return soon.
War is their tool. Power soothes ego. Personal egos are seduced by visions of larger group egos. Psychopaths believe in an imagined destiny.
The National Socialists had their master race. The Chosen have their promises from God. Exceptionals are destined to rule the world. Superiority expects results. Generals obey to be obeyed. I deserve, therefore I take. The uebermensch emotes instead of thinks.
They imagine a god/destiny selecting them. You imagine a god/destiny that is good and kind. Your delusion cannot counter their delusion. Say and act NO. There is no free solution.
It's the logic of addiction. Addicts are universally connected to delusional thinking. "If I [drink / take this drug / screw this person / get this money, etc], then my life will be better." With this group, power and exercising power are their drug. They are convinced that if they [follow this policy], then life will be better. And they are the ultimate addicts and delusional thinkers, because they believe not only will life be better for them, it will be better for everyone! People in positions to control societies have always been this way, but never before have other power addicts had access to as much raw control as the people currently running the global political / economic power centers. Their delusions are reaping more destruction as a result. Technology has amplified this aspect of human nature to a level that now threatens our self-annihilation. God has a strange sense of humor...
"Israel must have Lebensraum no matter how many Goy must be put to slaughter."
The banksters need to repay us.
WWZD - "What Would Zion Do?"
I've always been puzzled *why* Israel (and the neo-cons) are so dead-set on attacking Iran.
There is always more than one reason for something, but it seems to me that the key is found in the attitude of the Ayatollah Khomeini towards Israel and Sunni Islam.
In my view, Israel and the neo-cons do EVERYTHING THEY CAN to foment hatred, dissension, and chaos within Islam. Saudi Arabia goes along with this for reasons that are probably obvious - they don't want to play second fiddle to Iran (whether they were Shia or not).
The worn out meme "the Shia and Sunni have been at each others throats forever" is actively fostered by the Zionist Deep State to hide who is really behind the chaos.
And of course, the chaos is all in keeping to the Oded Yinon thesis that Greater Israel is to remain an island of calm within a raging sea of surrounding chaos.
So where does Khomeini fit in this? Khomeini wanted peace, harmony and unity between Shia and Sunni, better to focus Islam against its real enemy, which of course he correctly identified as Israel.
If Iran is able to gain the bomb and rally the rest of Islam against Israel, it's curtains for the Jewish state, and the House of Saud would probably not be far behind.
The bomb is only part of the equation - providing a unified front against Israel is what they are really afraid of...
The "chaos" plan of course has been carried out with the US Anglo-Zionist Deep State sponsored colored revolutions, and has worked VERY well (remember, the goal was the exact opposite of "peace, stability, democracy, etc").
Where color revolutions aren't possible, Anglo-Zionist sponsored terror will do, hence the seemingly wanton bombing and drone strikes against marriage parties, children in Gaza, Gaddafi (a true Arab visionary) etc. The more hate and chaos, the better!
Its has worked so well, that it was repeated in Ukraine, and parts of it have even been tried in Hong Kong (at least getting to the tent city demonstration phase).
Unfortunately for the Deep State, I think its techniques are starting to fail and lead to the black swans that will destroy the Anglo-Zionist Empire.
The Internet is a large part of it. The A-Z empire operated in the shadows until the advent of the web...now it is eay to operate outside of the bounds of the Zio-controlled MSM and get the information out.
Fight to the last Goy.
Their plan exactly...
I wish more Americans would wake up and see what Israel/Rothchilds/IMF/WorldBank/Fed/BIS has done to this nation. The largest terror organization in the world - Israel.
mention of zion**m tempts invocation of hasbara's law, dontcha know...
Do not make any deal with the US. Just ask the native americans.
John Trudell, Crazy Horse - The Original Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku8ga-krBe4
Sometimes it seems that the people in Washington DC like to play the part of Crazy Man.
No matter what any other players do, Crazy Man might just "go off" and kill everyone else anyway.
Because he's Crazy.
I guess that might be a negotiating tactic that works, but it is certainly not responsible, or grown-up, or honest, or Christian.
It (the Beast) is not "crazy", in fact it is all too human, in a perverse way. Dr Frankenstein's Beast not only possesses institutional memory, but mimics the behavior it sees in its Creator. Where it gets perverse is that the Beast does not actually have the empathy for certain lost souls that its Creators did have. There are approximately 300 reasons why Iran will be bombed regardless of any agreement (the downside of institutional memory), among them are:
William Francis Buckley
Bob Ames
William McIntyre
Charles T McMillan
Dewey L Johnson
George M Holmes
Harold L Lewis Jr
Joel C Mayo
John D Harvey
Lyn D McIntosh
Richard L Bakke
Ben H. Maxwell
Mark E. Salazar
Richard Twine
Robert V. McMaugh
Alex Munoz
Allen D Wesley
Alvin Belmer
Andrew Leon Davis
Anthony Keith Brown
Benjamin Ernest Fuller
Bert D Corcoran
Bill John Stelpflug
Bobby B Buchanan
Bradley John Campus
Brett Allen Croft
Bruce A Hollingshead
Bruce Lee Howard
Bryan Lamon Earle
Burton D Wherland
Charles Dennis Cook
Charles Jeffery Schnorf
Charles Keith Bailey
Charles Robert Martin
Charles Roy Ray
Clemon Alexander
Clyde Wayne Plymel
Craig L Wyche
Craig Steven Stockton
Curtis John Cooper
Daniel Shane Kluck
Danny R Estes
David A Lewis
David Bryan Gander
David D Gay
David Edward Worley
David Johns Nairn
David Lee Battle
David Lee Cosner
David Marcell Green
David Michael Randolph
David Reynold Bousum
David Sousa Massa
David W Brown
Dennis A Thompson
Devon Lloyd Sundar
Diomedes Jimenez Quirante
Donald Elberan Woolett
Donald Henry Vallone Jr
Donald Wayne Hildreth
Douglas Edward Held
Dwayne W Wiggesworth
Edward A Johnston
Edward Eugene Kimm
Edward Salvatore Iacovino
Edward Soares
Eric A Pulliam
Eric D Sturghill
Eric Glenn Washington
Eric R Walker
Ferrandy Drexel Henderson
Freas Henry Kreischer Iii
Freddie Haltiwanger Jr
Frederick Bailey Douglass
Gary R Scott
George M Gangur
George Newton Mcvicker Ii
George William Piercy
Gilbert Hanton
Guillermo Sanpedro Jr
Harold Deater Ghumm
Harold F Gratton
Harry Douglas Myers
Henry Townsend Jr
Horace Renardo Stephens
Jack Lee Martin
James Chandonnet Knipple
James Christopher Price
James E Mcdonough
James Ellis Faulk
James Francis Silvia
James Frank Surch
James Glenn Yarber
James J Jackowski
James Joseph Langon Iv
James Ricky Baynard
Jeffrey Bruce Owen
Jeffrey D Young
Jeffrey Gaines Stokes
Jeffrey J Boulos
Jeffrey Wilbur James
Jerryl Dewayne Shropshire
Jesse James Ellison |
Jesse Walter Beamon
Jimmy Ray Cain
Johansen Banks
John A Olson
John A Phillips Jr
John B Buckmaster
John Ervin Wolfe
John F Muffler
John Jay Ingalls
John Jay Tishmack
John Joseph Bonk Jr
John Lee Pearson
John Mccall
John Norman Boyett
John R Allman
John Rice Hudson
John Richard Weyl
John Ridley Bohnet Jr
John William Blocker
John William Macroglou
John William Spearing
Johnnie Douglas Ceasar
Johnny Adam Williamson
Johnny Len Copeland
Joseph Albert Owens
Joseph John Boccia Jr
Joseph John Mattacchione
Joseph P Milano
Joseph P Moore
Joseph R Livingston
Juan Carlos Rodriguez
Juan Miguel Comas
Keith J Laise
Kelvin Paul Custard
Kevin Patrick Coulman
Kirk Hall Smith
Leland Edward Gann
Leon William Bohannon Jr
Leonard Warren Walker
Lex D Trahan
Lloyd D West
Louis J Rotondo
Louis Melendez
Luis Alonzo Nava
Lyndon J Hue
Marc L Cole
Marcus Eugene Coleman
Marion Ellsworth Kees
Mark A Helms
Mark Walter Payne
Matilde Hernandez Jr
Maurice E Hukill
Mecot Eugene Camara
Melvin D Holmes
Michael Alan Hastings
Michael C Spaulding
Michael Caleb Sauls
Michael Dennis Mercer
Michael Dillard Fulcher
Michael Hugh Johnson
Michael James Devlin
Michael Robert Massman
Michael Scott Fulton
Michael Scott Lariviere
Michael Steven Haskell
Michael Wayne Gorchinski
Moses Arnold Jr
Nathaniel Gregory Dorsey
Nathaniel Walter Jenkins
Nicholas Baker
Obrian Weekes
Patrick Kerry Prindeville
Paul Allan Hein
Paul Dean Lyon Jr
Paul Gerome Innocenzi
Paul L Callahan
Peter James Scialabba
Rafael Pomalestorres
Randall J Garcia
Ray Page
Richard Allen Morrow
Richard Andrew Fluegel
Richard Christopher Ortiz
Richard Everett Barrett
Richard Hamilton Holberton
Richard Harrison Menkins Ii
Richard John Gordon
Richard Lane Blankenship
Richard Lee Lemnah
Rick Robert Crudale
Robert Allen Conley
Robert Brian Greaser
Robert Paul Olson
Robert Steven Holland
Rodney J Williams
Ronald James Garcia
Ronald Louis Shallo
Ronald Wayne Meurer
Ronny Kent Bates
Roy L Edwards
Rui A Relvas
Russell Eugene Cyzick
Samuel Maitland
Scipio Williams Jr
Scott Lee Schultz
Sean Forrest Estler
Sean Ryan Gallagher
Sidney James Decker
Stanley Glenn Hester
Stanley Joseph Sliwinski
Stephen Boyd Bland
Stephen Dale Tingley
Stephen Eugene Spencer
Steven B Wentworth
Steven Breck Lariviere
Steven Jones
Steven M Forrester
Tandy Walker Wells
Terrence L Rich
Terry Lee Hudson
Terry W Abbott
Thomas A Dibenedetto
Thomas Adrian Julian
Thomas Alan Shipp
Thomas Alexander Hairston
Thomas Clinton Keown
Thomas D Stowe
Thomas G Smith
Thomas Gregory Lamb
Thomas P Thorstad
Thomas Stanley Perron
Timothy D Mcneely
Timothy J Dunnigan
Timothy R Mcmahon
Timothy Robert Giblin
Ulysses Gregory Parker
Val Stanley Lewis
Victor Mark Prevatt
Vincent Lee Smith
Virgel D Hamilton
Walter Emerson Wint Jr
Walter Vernon Kingsley
Warner Gibbs Jr
Warren Richardson
William Arthur Zimmerman
William Benjamin Foster Jr
William Daniel Elliot Jr
William Ellis Winter
William Franklin Burley
William H Roy Pollard
William Hart
William R Gaines Jr
William Scott Sommerhof
Put another way, there can be consequences to the distinction between a slut and a bitch, particularly when dealing with a psychopath like Uncle Sam, and those Iranian blights upon his "reputation"...
If the Washington DC people actually cared about USA soldiers, I believe they would stop sending USA soldiers to the other side of the world to get killed, and would, instead, let the countries on the other side of the world send THEIR soldiers to get killed.
But, apparently, to Washington DC people, "image IS everything".
I remember President Ronald Reagan's response to the Beirut Barracks Bombing: Reagan sent a mighty fleet to invade the tiny Caribbean island of Grenada. Thus, Reagan gained the image of Triumphant Courageous War Hero of Grenada, and avoided the image of Naive Servant Of Foreigners in Lebanon.
Of course image is everything, otherwise there would be moar disturbances in the farce... and 'Muricans would be 'po as the debtors they actually are.
A couple month's after Reagan's similar (over) reaction to the Berln Disco Bombing, a friend of mine was sent to meet with Q'Daf because his sovereign was concerned that Libya was providing support to a domestic Muslim "terrorist" campaign. His measured and researched conclusion was that Libya was not providing arms or money to these insurgents. Of course Q'Daf "switched sides" a few years later and became BFF with Uncle Sam (and Goldman Sachs, the LSE, et al), but the institutions remembered, and when opportunities presented themselves simultaneously in Libya and Syria- the institutions chose to bomb Libya, using the excuse of R2P, even though the case for R2P was stronger in Syria at the time...
Nuclear proliferation is just the current excuse (irrespective of its validity) with regards to the public face of Iran sanctions, when the time comes and the appropriate opportunity presents itself (whether in the guise of R2P or some GCC false flag), the institutions will act against the regime in Tehran.
Thank you. I think TPTB also remembered that Qaddafi was the first Arab leader to demand higher prices for his oil. He succeeded, and that set the example for all the other Arab and other OPEC countries to demand and get higher prices. Whatever money OPEC countries got, some global oil corporations lost (and automobile-drivers lost, and users of electrical-power-generated-by-burning-oil lost). Anyway, I think TPTB had it in for Qaddafi from the day he succeeded in getting more money for Libya's oil. The "Arab Spring" gave them the excuse they needed to take him out.
After the first few names, alphabetized by first name. Weird. Never seen a list organized like that...
Urban -dying for a noble cause is one thing, for a corrupt elite oligarchy is stupidity..war is a racket.
The MCESG staff and Operation Eagle Claw members did not die for a corrupt ruling elite oligarchy. Even the CIA didn't have its A-game team or full bag of dirty tricks in place against Iran at the time (since they were primarily focused on the USSR).
But the racketeers will certainly profit off others' losses.
Iran actually managed the rare feat of uniting Foggy Bottom, Langley and the Pentagram... and a certain generation of leadership that now rules those fiefdoms were the classmates of the fallen or crossed the line in the immediate aftermath, and that institutional "hatred" shaped their thinking in their formative years inside the Beast as mere cogs in the system they now control.
America is a proxy for the international money masters that control every part of our life. They control the money and everything that goes with it. Every politician can be bought with enough $$$ and instantly act as a voicebox for the same money master parasites. Just look at the debt for the last 100 years that keep rising with the 99% of the populace acting as life support. Take control of the money and give it back to the people. Only then can we truly be free.
sampson option anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX6FsTIq6ls
Talking Heads - Psycho Killer
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http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2015/03/the-vietnam-war-part-ii-losses-...
In FocusMar 31, 201550 Photos
The Vietnam War, Part II: Losses and Withdrawal
ALAN TAYLOR
P.S. How about Tackhead, "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing"?
(And everything else Tackhead, including, of course, "Mind and Movement Control" and "Tell Me The Hurt".)
Thank you! THAT's scary. TPTB certainly are psychopaths.
I think there is oil within Vietnam's territorial waters, and the Invasion of Vietnam was partly an Oil War.
If the Iranians take this statement to heart , they may conclude that it is to their best interest to develop nuke - just like Iraq came to the same conclusion after they were bombed by Israeli.
just like ...."japan",
get that? persian fuku what have you?
BM,
hand shown; hand hid stirring...
it's the what have you that worries me.
but then, que sera sera...
worries me too then
the full weight of
the eternal end sets in;
sublime flaccidity ensues.
we be gone, escapees from this
ongoing madness covering the
diamond and gold inside.
.
i wish them the best but must
leave the company of the psychotically
insane, the sociopaths, to their own
demented devices; innocent and ignorant as
we may or not be. i can no longer keep up
with the trend my friend.
.
anyway poems^tm
as growled in reply my old buddy dix,
ski patroling with spirit at 76,
when asked "why the tie?"
"this place could do with a little class"
shrugged, hop turned, then gone.
well said, sir
When will someone finally say enough.
When the dollar is finally found to be worthless all this will end. The danger is max as the death throes begin however. Once the US realizes it has no way to keep getting 45 billion a month in 'free' stuff it will have to stick to a budget. At that point I think we will see politcians giving lectures about thrift. For now they must spend to keep the illusion of GDP alive.
Along these lines, a perfect example is the California (Jerry Brown) decision yesterday to start to limit water use. Way too little, way too late. This will be the template nationally as well. You can bet the farm on that.
"When will someone finally say enough."
About ten minutes after the power grid goes out, and the i-satanphones stop working.
It is OUR duty.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
The banksters need to repay us.
Revolutions begin with "no." The withdrawal of "consent."
your lips to every ear and all interposing grey matter
sing it bruther
You should see me deliver this kind of stuff in person. Almost a comical.
Scary how many know so little of what is happening.
The banksters need to repay us.
A favorite of mine is adding to my remonstrations to Latinos that they are being prepared as empire's fall-guy, and piggy bank.
we here are jesters before the dominant paradigm - but hopefully humble just servants after.
peace
I have news for you - the answer to your question is NO ONE will do a damn thing about it.
Indeed, I have NEVER encountered any realistic explanations of how systems of lies backed by violence are supposed to be stopped by anything other than their own self-destruction. More rational evidence and logical arguments have NO EFFECT upon established systems based on backing up lies with violence or enforcing frauds. Those kinds of systems ONLY care about being able to continue to back up their lies with violence, and do NOT CARE about anything else than some alternative violence which could interfere with their own ability to be violent.
"NO ONE will do a damn thing about it," because the only things that they CAN DO are either accomplish practically nothing, or make things relatively worse. That is, NO ONE can do anything but attempt to present more rational evidence and logical arguments against the established systems of lies backed by violence, which will continue to have NO EFFECT, or else, they can also resort to being violent too, which will make sure that things overall actually get worse, faster.
So far, I have NEVER encountered any reasonable explanations regarding how the entropic processes of a society dominated by systems of enforced frauds, through backing up lies with violence, can reverse that flow. As far as I can tell, the ONLY possible futures are ones in which things get worse, faster, and the only ways to respond to that are to try to slow that down, or speed that up.
It is marginally possible to try to slow down how fast things get worse, and perhaps possible to decrease how bad they are going to get, so that disasters could be recovered from sooner. However, in each short-term increment, those who are socially successful by being able to back up lies with violence continue doing so, while nobody else can prevent that from happening, without also resorting to violence, since systems of lies backed by violence deliberately ignore anything else but violence.
That is the current foundation of our political economy, within which "war is a racket," whose runaway criminal insanities can not be stopped, the same as how the overall political economy based on enforced frauds cannot be stopped by anything else than the longer term consequences of the basic dilemmas that enforcing frauds never stops those frauds from still being false, but nevertheless, those frauds can continue being enforced in ways which enables them to continue to be socially successful in each short-term increment, despite the overall tragic trajectory that society as a whole thereby becomes more and more psychotically insane, in proportion to the degree that lies were backed by violence, or frauds were enforced.
IF there was anyone who could reasonably and realistically explain to me how anything could be done differently, then I would do that. However, I am not aware of any ways that anyone can actually do anything that makes sense, within the context of the established social systems being based on thousands of years of backing up lies with violence, and enforcing frauds, whereby those who are set up to continue to do that have every short-term advantage to continue to do so, while "NO ONE will do a damn thing about it," BECAUSE NO ONE CAN!
"IF there was anyone who could reasonably and realistically explain to me how anything could be done differently, then I would do that."
There are men and women doing something differently about it. There are many priests of various philosophies and others with no formal religious affiliation who are teaching and living genuine peace. It's the best anyone can do.
As a society, however, it unfortunately seems human instincts toward violence and telling/believing lies are strong enough that they hold the upper hand. The peace teachers are viewed as a quaint and sweet - sometimes trendy or cool - accent among us. They are not ever seriously considered. This is the problem. Think of the emotional strings that are plucked when the word "pacifist" is used. Is there not an internal sense somewhere of "naive"? Until enough people see pacifism as the kick-ass incredible control over a violent nature that it is, the violence will continue. Pacifists are not without violent instincts; we just see the futility of acting on those instincts and so act differently. We work our asses off not to be slaves to our violent natures. It's hard work, but fuck if we don't need people to start doing some serious internal work. If we don't, your comment is spot on.
No one can and everyone can. You can save this sick world all by yourself. The solution can be nothing but a paradox, realizing that all the thinking is circular so if YOU start with the *problem* in your mind, no matter how advanced your reasoning and intelligence, you will always come back to the beginning, right back to that *problem*. The universe you are looking at does not have an objective meaning separate from that you give it to yourself. Never start with idea there is a problem in the first place. But to do that in effective way and not with ignorance only your mind must not identify with anything impermanent. "You are not the body but the Spirit" is the sweet fruit inside the today's more or less bitter pell we call religions.
You can not really fight against "evil" because if you do, there can be only 2 solutions, both unsatisfactory. 1.: evil exists, so this place is nothing else but hell. 2.:evil exists, but I can fight against it and win, but in that process it is you who will become that evil itself, the thing you hated in the first place!
War is indeed a racket RM. The real problem is the only military option is to nuke these facilities. Conventional bombs and munitions will not take out Iran's enrichment facilities. We would have allowed Israel to already take them out if they did not need nukes.
Obama threatened to shoot Israel aircraft down because of this. Israel already had the strike scheduled and was going to execute it.
Russia and China are Irans friends and assisting them in their nuclear program. I do nto think they are making a bomb myself. But enriching uranium can indeed be diverted to weapons programs.
WIthout the dollar they will end. They need the dollar to keep this scheme going and the world knows that. Is their (our) archilles heel and it is being destroyed. When the dollar is worthless this will end. I hope.
tldr
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carpet bonging