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California: A Microcosm For Impending Global Water Crisis
Submitted by Darrell Delamaide via OilPrice.com,
The move by California to require mandatory cuts in water use for the first time in its history has highlighted the world’s looming water crisis and increased the focus on the links between sustainable water and sustainable energy.
“We need a new paradigm,” says Steven Solomon, author of Water: The Epic Struggle for Wealth, Power and Civilization. “The days when we could just go further into the mountains and find new sources of water are past. We need to make better use of the water we have.”
The good news is that this offers opportunities for investors in everything from IBM’s development of smart metering for water use to more mundane technology like devices to detect water leaks.
“Mexico City loses 40 to 50% of its water to leaks,” says Solomon. “American cities lose 20 to 30%. Finding those leaks alone could save a lot of water.”
The new “toolkit” for dealing with the water crisis already exists, Solomon says, with a number of techniques available for “adaptive systemic management” of water.
Wastewater treatment, for instance, can recycle water and save energy at the same time. “The sludge can be used as fuel to provide energy for the treatment,” Solomon says.
Individuals can do much of this themselves, recycling their own wastewater as “gray water” for things like watering the lawn that do not require drinking quality water.
In the wake of California’s announcement, the Ygrene Energy Fund pointed out that property assessed clean energy (PACE) financing can be used for water upgrades as well.
“Though PACE financing is widely recognized as a mechanism for funding residential solar power, Ygrene Works PACE financing also offers funding for rainwater cisterns, water saving sprinkler system, drip irrigation, artificial turf and low flow plumbing,” the fund said in a statement.
The financing can also help property owners pay for water-saving upgrades that ease the impact of regulations prohibiting water use.
The long-term drought cycle in California and the U.S. Far West has long been predicted, but the water crisis goes well beyond this regional phenomenon.
Tetra Tech said last week it has been awarded a five-year, $1 billion contract from the US Agency of International Development (AID) to collect data and develop innovative approaches to cope with pressure on water resources from climate change, population growth and energy demands in developing countries.
Schlumberger and Halliburton have been working to address the massive use of water in hydraulic fracturing for oil and gas by developing ways of recycling the water used in the process.
“Companies are in the forefront of dealing with this crisis,” says author Solomon.
But governments, too, from municipalities to international organizations like the World Bank, are focusing more attention on water issues.
New York state legislators are trying to get a $250 million grant program to assist municipalities in funding water infrastructure projects that they can leverage with further borrowing.
The World Bank has scheduled a special panel discussion on water sustainability in conjunction with the spring meeting of the IMF/World Bank in Washington this month that will bring together experts from California, Nevada, Brazil, Namibia and Morocco along with project managers from the bank.
This is the kind of response that is necessary, according to Solomon. Water sustainability will require big projects like restoring wetlands and forest, adapting reservoirs and distribution systems, and even renegotiating longstanding water rights contracts based on assumptions that are no longer valid.
“We have to look at the water ecosystem in a holistic way,” he says, “if we want to be sure there is enough water in the system.”
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Perhaps when gerry & ilk flush, the flow could be directed into the shower head? & would they notice?
Peak tumbleweeds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNVcSIZyBuE
AI says beg for water.
They have been polluting potable water in the US via fracking, coal mining etc. Apparently nobody really cares. Add in an immigrant driven population juggernaut and the future for not just water but open spaces, affordable housing and all the stuff the so-called environmentalists care about, is GRIM.
"Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction and worse.
U.S. population will double from 300 million to 600 million on its way to 1 billion in the lifetime of a child born today if we fail to change course."
Frosty Wooldridge 2000
Stop all immigration, especially "family reunification" immigration, which turns one immigrat (deliberately misspelled) into ten to fifteen. No more listening to the whines of Mexicans who want "their" family here, rather than in Mexico. We currently host 1/3 of Mexico as parasities on our educational system, our health system, and our welfare system (ah yes, according to the Law of Nations those who are "born" here of non-legal parents are NOT citizens but the liberals pervert this to try and say they are) via the children "born" here.
Mexico has one of the single greatest untouched ecosystems in the world including fresh water. They Drink Our Milkshake and can run back to their won anytime they want. Where will your children go?
PS And stop all giving of our children's college/university spots to foreigners. Citizen taxpayers PAID for these colleges and universities an the spots Belong to Our Children. The administrators like to give 50% to foreigners who pay more and allow them to create their own exhorbitant paychecks and retirement packages. Start suing over discrimination that US citizens have the right to every college sport Before any foreigners gets one; then we won't need HI Visas the tech industry whines about. Educate our own, not foreigners.
big parasite complaining about small parasites
I have the solution. Everyone should collect rain water that falls on their property (or lease) to cover their needs. Fracking can have no effect on that.
I've been doing it in the Houston area for 10 years and the excess still floods off my property onto my neighbor's downstream. The amount I collect cannot even be measured against that torrent.
If everyone in Houston did it, the water pumped into Houston could be pumped to California ... or maybe Warren Buffet could divert some of his unused shale oil tank cars to the purpose.
Chicken Little ... you need a rest.
Here's an idea to solve the water crisis: Let's just keep pumping fracking pollution down into our aquifers! That oughta do sumptin!
I've got 2' in my basement that they can have. Shows up every spring, without fail.
The big water scam... Don't shower. Don't flush your toilet. Don't brush your teeth. Don't wash your clothes. Get out your wallet... The Globalist front, the United Nations is going to tell us slaves how and where to live. They are using technology to make it happen and if you call it out you are a 'Wingnut.'
Rap News 6 - Cablegate: The Truth Is Out There (Featuring Alex Jones and Hilary Clinton)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl4NlA97GeQ&feature=player_embedded
"Well, obviously this is a globalist psy-ops plot designed to keep us in the dark"
(interesting to note in this 2010 episode Robert Foster mentions "the secret war in Yemen" ,and Alex Jones, "the climate deal in Cancun")
I'm not sure what you are trying to say but the YouTube you link to is a piece of garbage propaganda.
wikiTits benb wikiTiTs!
I wonder if George Carlin would agree with you....
Let's have a vote.
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2009/03/negative-pressure-important-update...
highlighted the world’s looming water crisis
I am comfortable in saying the the world has virtually the same amount of surface covered with water as it has through all recorded history. The oceans are enough larger than the land area (70.8% water; 29.2% land) to expect that. I am also comfortable asserting that evaporation of that surface water has been virtually unchanged through all recorded history (albeit, if you're to believe the ridiculous global warming scare, it is now evaporating faster).
When water evaporates, it forms water vapor and circulates with the air until it cools and comes in contact with dust (pollution). It then precipitates out and falls to the ground ... replenishing the surface and ground water. It never gets "used up".
So if we have a looming water crisis, it can be caused by only one thing ... we don't have enough pollution to bring that water vapor back down. ;-)
"if you're to believe the ridiculous global warming scare"
Thing is one doesn't need to "believe", one needs to understand the theory, then look at the data. Your grade school assertions are what are ridiculous. People should consider the scientific methods applied by The World Meteorological Organization (WMO), the data they have gathered, and the interpretations they have arrived at in 2015. Dr. Michelle Jarruad, scientist, Sec/Gen of the WMO has a warning for you:
"Now we are at the point where some of the excuses which were used in Copenhagen 2009 for not taking action, which was basically some uncertainties on some of the questions, although there was a lot of evidence on many of them, now is no longer valid.
It's no longer tenable. Ignorance can no longer be used as an excuse for no action and this is a fundamental difference compared to 2009. Why? Because in 50 years from now, actually in 30 years from now, governments, but not only governments, decisions makers at all levels can be held accountable for the decisions which are not taken now. Because knowledge is there. WE KNOW. We have no excuse for no action. Thank You."
Dr. Michell Jarraud, Secretary General World Meteorological Organization, 02NOV14 in Copenhagen speaking at the IPCC AR5 WG4 press release.
I'm sure you, withglee, have seen me quote this many times however there are readers that may be unfamiliar with what he said just a few short months ago.
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" It is possible to apply scientific methods to gather data regarding the set of conditions which cause deaths, and to interpret those patterns in ways which could influence the conditions that cause deaths."
-Radical Marijuana
This can be said of mass deaths too. Quite ridiculous to say one should not be concerned.
MEAN BUSINESS:
Thing is one doesn't need to "believe", one needs to understand the theory, then look at the data. Your grade school assertions are what are ridiculous. People should consider the scientific methods applied by The World Meteorological Organization (WMO), the data they have gathered, and the interpretations they have arrived at in 2015. Dr. Michelle Jarruad, scientist, Sec/Gen of the WMO has a warning for you:
Or one could read the emails as I did and see the tactics they were using to sell their "fake science".
It's just like this 9/11 nonsense. One only needs see WTC7 falling down and there is no amount of argument that can convince you that everything you read that avoids that incident and issue is not just smokescreen.
It's just like the Shady Hook nonsense. Once only needs to know that the school wasn't used for two years before the incident.
It's just like the Boston Marathon bombing. One only needs to know they had an identical practice session going on at the same time. One only needs to examine an aerial photo showing nothing but black suburbans parked one behind the other in the immediate block of the incident as the supposed "investigation" was taking place. No local police involved at all.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Bush's attempt to remember that still tears me up!!! :-)
This can be said of mass deaths too. Quite ridiculous to say one should not be concerned.
Every case I've observed where the government tries to be proactive, they create a bigger mess than they are trying to address.
This will not end in calamity. But these government actions, if they don't cause calamity, will certainly create a new privileged class where none existed before or strengthen one that already exists.
The IPCC lost some cred, and rightly so, over the Himalayan Glacier fuck up, not the misunderstood by morons emails . That's in league with the current Dr. Pachauri scandal.
The Himalayan goof-up is part of what makes the AR5 more robust.
I do not accept your guarantee that this will not end in calamity. The patterns in the data make your assertion patently false.
The IPCC does its thing and the UN does its thing. Ultimately any solution will only come from we the people. But people don't want to talk about that so there's not much world.govs can do other than what they already do. War hawks love that, it's good business.
The rest of us tell ourselves bullshit stories... and pass the buck. Jarraud is saying "the buck stops here, now.". Many powerful decision makers (that's you & me too bud) don't like that.
The patterns in the data are being interpreted at a ~95% confidence level in 2015.
You misinterpret what I mean when I say "all roads lead to Paris". Paris is simply the public acknOwledgment by contract, or lack thereof, as to who is going to do what work. It's trading.
Stay thirsty : )
I do not accept your guarantee that this will not end in calamity. The patterns in the data make your assertion patently false.
Simple intuition would tell you that even "if" there is not enough water for the current population, there is enough for some fraction of the poplulation. Thus, the population can fraction itself by natural selection until there is enough water. That's not a calamity. Making a nuclear mess may be able to extinguish the population, but shortage of water surely won't.
The patterns in the data are being interpreted at a ~95% confidence level in 2015.
Doesn't a pattern have to repeat to have any confidence at all? A hockey stick does not a pattern demonstrate.
You misinterpret what I mean when I say "all roads lead to Paris".
I don't even recall a reference to Paris, let alone have an interpretation of it.
Stay thirsty : )
My primary water tank (350 gallons) sprung a leak. Expecting that possibility, I have a backup tank (200 gallons). I repaired the primary tank for $20. It refilled itself in less than a week with water collected from just one of my three 167 sf roofs. It helps not to live in the desert. I suspect people in the desert will die of thirst first ... unless they come after we here in the jungle (oh ... ur ... rain forest) and take ours. Regardless, many are going to survive as we get back down to the sustainable level. I still can't ignore that 70+% coverage which is the oceans and seas ... and which was there way before this global warming scare ever came along, and will be there when it goes away.
I am far more worried about people ignoring (and more likely being unaware of) the WTC7 collapse and what that means to our society.
wonderful water what happens when the air becomes unbreathable to humans? Canfield Oceans aren't the "oceans and seas" you think they are. And we knew in 2015 that's what we might be up against?
Like I said last night, the best way to honour the memory of 9/11 is to face more radical truths about why our civilization, and ourselves as individuals, would allow these things to continue. We knOw.
Paris or bust
Like I said last night, the best way to honour the memory of 9/11
I'm not into "honoring memories". But if I were, I would honor the memory of the 9/11 perps heads falling into baskets,
Further, if I rank my actions, there is none more important than doing what I can to see that those heads go into those baskets.
It's silly to complain about how your captors are mistreating you. All energies should be focused on taking out your captors.
Step one on everyone's action item list is refusing to continue to feed the captors. It's hard to get there when 9 out of 10 don't even know they've been captured ... and 9,999,999 out of 10,000,00 who even have that knowledge, continue to cooperate with their captors ... which makes it ultra-difficult for those 1 out of 10,000,000 who don't.
And it's really silly to worry about the sky falling when it is your captors who are feeding you that nonsense. Even if it was falling, doing something about is far down your priority list when you consider you are a captured individual and totally out of control of your destiny.
Honoring the "memory of your capture" ... now that is rich!
In short, virtually everyone you and I know, and even we ourselves, are traitors for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
CA is run by the Mexican mafia literally they dont even bother collecting bills from Latinos anymore. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ladwp-billing-system-681-mil...
Its just an orgy of looting, www.buycaliforniabonds.com
Odd isn't it that the United States, once a proud and independent nation, decided that its "golden state" should be turned into a third world holding tank; the "drought" will now be the excuse to demand all other states also become third world gutters, although the US currently teeters on being a white minority at barely 51% white (and bear in mind) 35 out of 50 of the largest cities in the United States are "minorities).
Oboma in addressing the Iran nuclear "gift," has a strange dark hole at the back of his eyes; can you say Manchurian candidate?
And then there are those nice "urban heat islands" that all that California concrete and freeways create. Years ago, probaby ten now, there was an article in the LA Times noting the splitting of the California grapes (for the wine industry) due to the overheating of the land from the "urban heat islands." Now it will be much worse since there will be no runoff from watering, washing cars, ect, to Cool the concrete that covers California. IN other words, the temperatures this summer should be unbelievable and how will they generate enough electricity to run those air conditioners?
Lyndon Johnson, the 36the president of the US, stated that we should NOT exceed 200 million due to the loss of water tables is we did. Since the treasonous government and those who would like to divide up the US for their own fiefdoms could not ruin the US via natural births...they have used third world immigrats, those who have nothing in common with us and never will.
Plenty of water in the western north carolina mountains... try cashiers, nc or highlands... an actual rain forest on the highlands/cashiers plateau.
Yeah ... for now. Be smug if you want, but who's to say they won't be coming for you next?
First they came for California and I did nothing, because I was in North Carolina ...
One may expect another propaganda piece from oil industry destroying underground water reservoirs. There is nothing in it except for theses of disaster capitalism which in crisis would do anything for profits as a fake remedy, people would oppose in regular times.
Such useless, baseless or straight sick ideas which solve nothing, just unmask blatant exploitation of the California severe drought for profits. What we are witnessing is a result of coordinated assault on California public water system waged by Wall Street hacks for at least 15 years now, with support from sold out governors.
For completely different take on California drought and supposedly related water crisis see:
https://sostratusworks.wordpress.com/2015/03/28/california-waterworld-of...
@ scatha
Where do you get this strange idea that we have 'Capitalism' from?
What we have is Cartel, Monopolistic, Corporate Socialism (that thing Benito Mussolini devised to save Internationalism for Communism, after the disaster to Internationalism that was WW1).
That's what 'Trade Agreements' and the political class serve.
Snipets from this garbage:
IMF/World Bank
New York state legislators
But governments, too, from municipalities to international organizations like the World Bank
US Agency of International Development
Schlumberger and Halliburton
"Water sustainability will require big projects..."
Taxes and regulation with full insider benefits anyone?
DESAL bitchez.
Get real.
how is a water leak different from raining?
"how is a water leak different from raining?"
Location. A water leak in the middle of the Pacific would likely remain largely unnoticed.
And guess were one of the largest fresh water aquifier's in the world is? CRICKETS... CRICKETS... CRICKETS... Libya/Egypt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_Sandstone_Aquifer_System
The midwest has a huge aquifier and guess who owns most of the real estate/land around the aquifier? CRICKETS... CRICKETS... CRICKETS... Ted Turner.
Paraguay has a huge aquifier as well... And guess who the largest private land owner in the country is?CRICKETS... CRICKETS... CRICKETS... The Bush Family.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/23/mainsection.tomphillips
Jokes on you Merica and you people deserve whatever you get... Freedumb Yo!
Don't forget T. Boone Pickins' acquisition of the North Texas/ Oklahoma aquifer... Some of the people here are starting to get it. The others are still watching the TV.
OMG data points are forming! Unlike CHEMTRAILS!!! and haarp!!!!
good work guys. Some quick journalist could/should/wood shaped into a baseball bat write somethin'...
virtually nobody gets it benb ya' know what I mean? Ask ten random people what IPCC or AR5 or Paris meanz LULZ
But certain folks do...
Way too shrill. You blew your cover a long time ago. Other than being annoying, your main purpose now is comic relief. Your handlers cannot be pleased.
Nearly 100,000,000 new mouths to feed (nett basis) will be added to the planet's population again in 2015.
This is not a problem --- because that would imply there is a fix.
Infinite growth is not possible on a finite planet. Therefore we will collapse.
Try telling that to an economist hahahahahaha....
There is a fix (child policy) just not one that is POLITICALLY viable. Silly humans.
europe: funny, how not one tv station looses a word over fracking being exempted from shortening water.
strong interests here... . . . .
CA is a federal immigrant dictatorship, I live here we didn't vote for any of this shit, we voted to boot.
The article above was quite poor quality, due to the pathetic degree that it did NOT go through any genuine paradigm shifts. That article basically recommends improving the ways that society is based on being able to back up lies with violence. I have no doubt that is what will actually be done, and no doubt that will continue to make things overall continue to get worse, faster! All of its suggested "solutions" tend to deliberately ignore how Jevons Paradox would end up manifesting in those situations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
Human beings have been able to transform natural selection into artificial selection, to a far greater degree than any other animals. HOWEVER, the basic way that is done through social pyramid systems requires that environmental limits are responded to through systems of lies backed by violence. The basic debt slavery systems, backed by wars based on deceits, are the foundation of California's sociopolitical systems, the same as the rest of the world.
The pecking orders operated by other animals were not able to develop debt slavery for future generations. Human beings have developed pecking orders whereby the biggest bullies are able to symbolically beat up people who might be born in the future, but were not even conceived yet. Human beings ability to develop language has enabled them to ENFORCE FRAUDS on a scale that no other animals are able to accomplish. The essential aspect of Neolithic Civilizations, which California is a leading edge of, was DEVELOPING SOCIAL PYRAMID SYSTEMS BASED ON BEING ABLE TO BACK UP LIES WITH VIOLENCE.
IF there was going to be sufficiently real paradigm shifts in those regards, then there would have to be developed a political economy which was not based upon systems of enforced frauds, that got away with misrepresenting themselves so totally. However, the article above simply listed ways that the established systems of enforcing frauds could be technologically improved. Those sorts of "solutions" are NOT genuine paradigm shifts, they are merely more of the same old ways to deliberately ignore the real problems, in order to avoid dealing directly with those real problems.
The BASIC PROBLEM is that human beings have internalized natural selection as an intelligence, which operates artificial selection systems through the maximum possible deceits and frauds, and therefore, that is the BASIC PROBLEM that manifests when a place like California runs into the limits of the environment. In that context, the bullshit "solutions" tend to be to recommend perfecting the ways that some people could make more "money" inside of the MAD Money As Debt system, by developing improved technologies to be able to continue to control things through backing up lies with violence.
There are NO good reasons to expect anything else, than that Neolithic style civilizations, such as developed in California, will go on through MAD self-destruction, and commit collective suicide, due to their dismal failure to go through sufficient paradigm shifts in the ways that they perceive their problems. The bogus sets of "solutions" suggested in the article above are the kinds of fake paradigm shifts, that one would expect to be promoted inside of the established systems which are run by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites.
Therefore, those kinds of "solutions" boil down to recommending increased privatization of the water, which means that there must be developed more claims, backed by more coercions, as assisted by the development of more technology, all of which continue to be deliberately based on ignoring that that attitude was the actual source of the aggravation of those problems, and so, those kinds of "solutions" will actually make things get worse, faster, in the longer term, because, within the established social systems, the only "solutions" are bigger lies, backed by more violence, enabled by technological progress.
The BASIC PROBLEMS are the political paradoxes that were due to the most socially successful strategies that civilization developed to deal with natural selection pressures were to develop the culture of artificial selection systems that operated through the maximum possible deceits and frauds. Therefore, when the natural selection pressures intensify, the social "solutions" that are promoted inside of those kinds of systems of cultural artificial selection are to get better at backing up lies with violence.
Recall that, ALL of those kinds of technologies which the article above recommends could be developed require that more "money" be created out of nothing as debts, in order to "pay" for doing that. Therefore, ALL such technologies result in the social pyramid systems getting steeper, because the more those technologies are "paid for" with "money" made out of nothing as debts, the deeper in debt that overall society becomes, especially including future generations that are not yet born!
The ONLY sufficient paradigm shifts would require perceiving natural selection in ways which went beyond the currently established artificial selection systems being based on being able to back up lies with violence ... However, at the present time, that appears to be politically impossible. Rather, the only feasible solutions are more of the same ...
Although it is possible that the weather could change, indeed, change dramatically, such as switch over to a time when Atmospheric Rivers dumped a deluge:
http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/Atmospheric_river
http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/ARkStorm
The more probable futures are for more prolonged drought, and the most probable human responses to that will initially be like the article above outlined, which will end up eventually making those problems get overall worse, not better. Therefore, the most probable future longer term "solutions" to the problems that will manifest, if the most probable scenarios of worsening droughts persist, will become democidal martial law being imposed.
IF any of these kinds of environmental problems were to be responded to through more genuine general paradigm shifts, that would take developing radically different systems of cultural artificial selection, which would resolve the deeper problems due to natural selection pressures, in some ways which were better than the same old ways of merely applying technological progress to get better at controlling civilization through integrated systems of backing up lies with violence.
Ultimately, the social responses to environmental pressures are being channeled through social pyramid systems, which were based upon thousands of years of perfecting techniques whereby a relatively small minority of the population could control the majority, through the ways that that minority could be dishonest and violent, in order to keep the majority ignorant and afraid. Those are the ways that Californian civilization was built, and those are the ways that California are setting up to respond to the crises.
Overall, that is the BASIC PROBLEM with Neolithic Civilization that dominates the whole planet. The established systems operate their death controls through the maximum possible deceits, and their debt controls through the maximum possible frauds. Those established systems are the ones that are supposed to adapt to natural selection pressures, such as the likelihood of even more prolonged return to the conditions of a desert, for a relatively long time ???
All over the world, the same thing exists with respect to every limitation of the natural environment, being adapted to by artificial selection systems which are based on technological progress enabling bigger lies to be backed up with more violence, which overall ends up making the underlying BASIC PROBLEMS WORSE! The sublime paradox is that the ONLY real solutions would be better death controls, to back up better debt controls, but the established systems are based on doing those things through the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which practically precludes actually doing those necessary things in any genuinely better ways!
well, well, well, three holes in the ground - old pun from when I was a kid
HA! but, by now don't we knOw better? More honest, hence 'better death controls' is really in our own, artificial, hands? (Whatta ya mean the condom split?1?) LOL
So, well, there's always The Pope's encyclical on AGW to look forward to this summer BWHAHAHAHAHA
Glad to see you layin' it down on this thread too RM / no sarcin'
Apparently nobody here appreciated my humour, (Rap News), my music (The Tragically Hip) or even my tiny dose of our artificial reality(JoeThePlumber)
Meanz Queen's
MEAN BUSINESS, it seems to me that a lot of the comments posted on Zero Hedge grossly exaggerate the degree to which there has been some fraudulent science, in order to then assert that there is NO science. When it comes to environmental issues, a lot of Zero Hedge comments appear to me to push cynicism to the point of being stupidity.
For sure, sifting through the relative scandals of fraudulent science makes forming a more genuinely scientific opinion way more difficult. But nevertheless, the basic concepts of science still apply in that context:
"Scientific methods" ASK:
How do we know what we "know?"
&
How confident are we about that?
Learning about climate science takes traveling through some deep tunnels of deceits (based on some ulterior agendas), BUT, that does not mean there is no science to be developed, only that it is way more difficult to do so, especially when one asks about human beings blamed for climate change!
THERE HAS BEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT GEOENGINEERING.
Most of it appears to have be inadvertent, however, a lot of that appears to have been covert. It is extremely difficult to gain any proper perspective on the degree to which the Californian drought is a natural cycle, or somewhat driven in more sinister ways ... These days, on the basis of all of my previous studies, I more and more tend to presume some evil ulterior agenda being covertly implemented, towards influencing or triggering natural processes, (but that is merely my hunch.) Therefore, I do NOT believe that the current Californian drought is ONLY NATURAL. I tend to believe that it is a natural possibility that has been deliberately pushed in that direction by covert geoengineering.
Regarding the bigger picture about climate change, I have NEVER seen anyone disprove the existence of the greenhouse gas mechanisms. However, I have seen lots of demonstrations that those are not the only, overwhelming factors. Climate science is hyper-complicated, and so, I do not believe that anyone fully understands it, (especially since nobody fully understand how the Sun works.)
I believe that we are getting a great "Lucky Break" at the present time that more cosmic factors which influence Earth's climate are mitigating and mostly cancelling out the greenhouse gas mechanisms, which has caused a pause in the global warming trends. Furthermore, it is quite possible that pause will continue, and there may be some significant cooling, due to natural factors spirals in the future.
HOWEVER, overall, the basic greenhouse gas mechanisms are certainly there, and their level of influence is relatively permanent, in the sense that their build up in the Earth's atmosphere is going to last a long time, from the human perspective. Hence, while I believe we are currently getting a great "Lucky Break" from more cosmic influences, when those natural spirals spin through, then I expect the global warming to return with a vengeance!
While I am NOT sure about climate science, because it interweaves so many basic factors that are themselves not fully understood, into hyper-complicated patterns that are also not fully understood, I AM SURE ABOUT POLITICAL SCIENCE:
HUMAN CIVILIZATIONS ARE CONTROLLED BY SYSTEMS OF LIES BACKED BY VIOLENCE, WHICH MAKES ISSUES LIKE CLIMATE SCIENCE PROBLEMATIC, AND RESPONDING TO REAL ENVIRONMENT PRESSURES EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC!
... Meanwhile, due those problems, a lot of the comments posted on Zero Hedge regarding any issues related to the limits of the environment tend towards the arrogance of being completely confident of their own (superficially informed) opinions. As I already said, they push cynicism to the point of being stupidity.
I REPEAT my basic overview regarding the problems that, so far, there is no agreed upon evidence of there being evidence of other technologically based civilizations anywhere else in our galaxy that have been able to be detected: those that develop the technology very probably end up all suffering from the same political problems as we do, and are unable to resolve them, as we appear to be unable to.
Life is a succession of unexpected shortages, and the winners are always the ones who burn the most energy, according to the MEP principle, Maximum Entropy Production, aka 3rd Law of Thermodynamics, according to F. Roddier & R. Dewar, or the simpler MPP, Maximum Power Principle, as described by Jay Hanson.
Every technologically advanced civilization will likely utterly fail to resolve the problems that they end up being controlled by systems of lies backed by violence, which drive them towards mad self-destruction. It makes sense that all civilizations would end up being controlled by fractal patterns of the principles and methods of organized crime. That is obviously where human civilization is headed, and there are no good grounds to believe in the series of political miracles it would take to prevent civilization from committing collective suicide, due to the ways that civilization is controlled by integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, through which governments become the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. Human civilization is currently dominated by the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, and one would expect every other technologically advanced species would repeat those same patterns.
Civilizations that develop advanced science and technology end up primarily applying that to become better at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, because, in each short-term increment, that is what is socially successful, despite that overall that becomes more and more psychotic. Anyone who examines the problems of the FUNDING OF THE POLITICAL PROCESSES will realize that all of the theoretical solutions to those problems are POLITICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. The established systems are already almost inconceivably corrupt and crazy, and automatically getting worse faster. However, there are no practically possible ways to resolve those problems, because of the basic social pyramid systems developing in ways whereby relatively small minorities specialize in being dishonest and violent, in order to control larger majorities that become ignorant and afraid.
All of the problems that the human species faces would require a prodigious series of political miracles to resolve in any better ways. However, there are no good reasons to believe that such a series of political miracles would be possible. Therefore, when it comes to every one of the long list of environmental problems that are being driven by the development of advancing science and technology, the constant feature is that the more one learns, the worse it gets. There are perfectly sensible reasons, from the perspective of regarding human beings and human civilizations as entropic pumps of energy flows, that those necessarily end up operating according to the principles and methods of organized crime, in ways whereby everything is actually controlled by the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which enables the vast majority of people in the dominant civilizations to maintain attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards what they are really doing.
In my view, the reasons why we do not detect other technologically advanced civilizations is that they all destroy themselves too quickly, the same as human civilization is going to. Sure, it is easy to come up with an idealized list of theoretically possible ways that civilization could survive ... However, none of those are practically possible, due to civilization existing as runaway forms of criminal insanities, automatically getting worse, faster.
As soon as one seriously asks HOW is there going to be any saner political processes, one discovers that the essential problems are that the FUNDING OF THE POLITICAL PROCESSES are the places where there are the maximum leverages to maintain death controls based on deceits, and debt controls based on frauds, which benefit a few fantastically in the short-term, while the vast majority become reduced to Zombie Sheeple, or incompetent political idiots, who are unable and unwilling to change anything that actually happens because society IS controlled by systems of lies backed by violence, because that WORKS BEST, for those doing that, in each short-term increment, which makes all other relatively saner behaviors practically impossible to actually achieve.
Any sufficiently intelligent beings that developed mental models of their world, with mental models of themselves inside of their mental models of their world, would certainly end up manifesting all the same psychological and political problems that human beings have developed. Every civilization that developed advanced science and technology would probably end up destroying itself, due to the ways that their own kinds of their most psychopathic and sociopathic individuals would end up dominating their civilization, so that they would become like we are now, namely, they too would overall tend to deliberately ignore more rational evidence and logical arguments regarding what they should do to insure their own longer term survival, because in every short-term increment, they would end up being controlled by the members of their society that were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence.
I would imagine that some of the members of those other technologically advancing societies would also recognize their tragic trajectory, However, like the few human beings who recognize that, they would not be able to do anything practical to prevent their civilization from its own mad self-destruction. In my view, one only has to look at the way that human civilization has developed globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs, to recognize that those MAD Money As Debt systems, backed by MAD Mutual Assured Destruction systems, are very probably going to MADLY destroy themselves.
As other species' societies developed technologies that were trillions of times more powerful and capable, those would end up being applied like ours are, namely, their ruling classes would get orders of magnitude better at being dishonest and violent, which was matched by the majority of those who were ruled over becoming orders of magnitude more ignorant and afraid. ... Just look at how the mass media now brainwash the majority of people using the most scientific techniques that money can buy, and how well that has worked to enable systems of huge lies, backed by lots of violence, to control civilization at the present time, so that governments have become the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, so that our death controls are based on the maximum possible deceits, and those back up our debt controls based on the maximum possible frauds, so that those combined murder/money systems drive our civilization to behave in ways which are based on overall attitudes of the maximum evil deliberate ignorance to what we are really doing. Furthermore, consider that how and why that happened means that there are no feasible ways to actually stop that continuing to happen, and getting worse at an exponentially accelerating rate.
So far, after thinking about this for several decades, I have not been able to come to any other conclusions than that the human species is going to destroy itself, while the same basic reasons we are doing that would then also apply generally to every other species that developed advanced science and technology, which ended up being used within their political systems in madly self-destructive ways, while they could not prevent themselves from doing that, due to their runaway problems, that those who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence were able to control their society, while the ability to do that resulted in enough of the other members of that species to become habitually ignorant and afraid, resulting in vicious spirals, that had no way out of that psychotic madness.
Overall, the only thing achieved by the few who were becoming more aware of those trends is that they became more aware of that being a tragedy which could not be prevented, because the only practical way to respond to those who were the best at being dishonest and violent would be to try to be better at that than they were, which meant that the only responses that actually changed things made them get even worse, even faster ... Meanwhile, all other relatively rational evidence and logical arguments would accomplish nothing, and not be able to change anything, because the entrenched systems only cared about being able to back up lies with violence, because history had selected them to be most socially successful by doing that, and so the established systems based on being able to back up lies with violence would be able to continue to deliberately ignore everything else that they wanted to deliberately ignore. Therefore, advanced science and technology would NOT enable its political science to catch up to its physical science. Instead, advancing physical science would STILL end up being applied inside of political systems that continued to be controlled by backing up lies with violence, so that all of that progress in physical science finally ended up becoming madly self-destructive. Too bad, so sad, but the most probable reasons SETI has failed are that any other technological civilizations existed too briefly to be detected, the same as the human technological civilization will relatively soon destroy itself, due to its own runaway criminal insanities.
OVERALL, I believe that the basic greenhouse gas mechanisms' influences are accumulating, and will become more and more overwhelming, despite that we are currently getting a "Lucky Break" as a respite from those causing runaway global warming, due to other more cosmic factors. I believe that the relative pause in global warming will not last, but rather warming will return with a vengeance in the future (perhaps after a few decades, as a guess.)
I do NOT believe that human beings will be able to agree to do anything relatively saner regarding those problems. Rather, the ways that human civilizations are ACTUALLY controlled by integrated systems of lies backed by violence will make any saner collective responses practically impossible. As my comment above stated, the most probable real responses will be evidence of global warming would become an excuse for bullshit "solutions," that actually made the real problems get worse, since those "solutions" will be based on using more technology to improve being able to back up lies with violence.
In my view, lots of the comments published on Zero Hedge regarding various environmental issues reflect some excessively isolated facets of that overall social situation. I.e., there are those who flatly reject the existence of greenhouse gas mechanisms, and assert that there nothing but fraudulent science in those regards. Similarly, there are those who facetiously propose other kinds of bullshit "solutions" which make no effort to be sufficiently scientific about the real problems with respect to the efforts it would take to actually do such geoengineering, and therefore, the practical impossibility of doing those things.
Geoengineering to trigger things to get worse is relatively easy, and does not take too prodigious an effort. However, any geoengineering to make things get better over the longer term appears to be practically impossible, especially since civilization is actually a social pyramid system based on backing up lies with violence, which makes global cooperation practically impossible. In order to have realistic global cooperation regarding the relationship between human beings and their environment, there would have to be enough global cooperation about the issues at the heart of the human ecology, which are the human death control systems. Similarly, any saner kinds of global political economy would have to have develop global accounting systems that were not as fundamentally fraudulent as the ways that the currently established systems actually operate, as integrated systems of enforced frauds, or as systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence.
THE BASIC PROBLEM IS THAT THE NEOLITHIC CIVILIZATIONS' SOCIAL PYRAMID SYSTEMS ARE BASED ON BEING ABLE TO BE SOCIALLY SUCCESSFUL THROUGH BACKING UP LIES WITH VIOLENCE.
That BASIC PROBLEM makes genuine science way more difficult (although not impossible). That BASIC PROBLEM makes developing better solutions to the relationships between human beings and their environment so extremely difficult as to be practically impossible. Therefore, although I agree that we must keep on trying, I do not believe that we will succeed ...
In that context, the article above was correct about how the water problems in California are a symbol of similar globalized problems. However, ironically, that article also symbolized how the "solutions" promoted inside of the established social pyramid systems will actually end up making those problems get worse! The BASIC PROBLEM is that human beings deliberately misunderstand how their own human ecology and political economy operate as general energy systems, which makes it practically impossible for those human systems to adapt to the natural selection pressures increasing in their environment in any other ways than by only becoming more dishonest and more violent.
There are huge and growing contradictions that while people are getting better at understanding the environmental energy systems, and the impacts upon those from the industrial energy systems, the human political systems continue to be almost totally dominated by systems of lies backed by violence, and therefore, almost all of the "solutions" proposed for the environmental problems are still manifesting inside of social pyramid systems based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds with respect to themselves!
I REPEAT, the crux of the BASIC PROBLEM has been the history of successful warfare based on deceits, so that the human death control systems were most successfully done through ways whereby there was organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups. Furthermore, that then became the foundation for the currently existing political economy. There are no genuinely better resolutions for the intensifying problems with respect to human beings coping with environmental limits than to change the human death control systems, which back up the debt controls systems, which then could direct different kinds of ways to integrate the human, industrial and natural ecologies.
However, that then is exactly what is the HEART OF THE BASIC PROBLEM: human civilization IS controlled by systems of lies backed by violence, which were the most successful strategies inside of that human society. However, that social system then makes it practically impossible to operate any overall rational and saner systems with respect to the longer term survival of the human species, and most of the other species of life on the planet as a whole!
Behind all of the other euphemisms, and bogus superficial "solutions" for problems like California perhaps going into decades of severe drought, the BASIC PROBLEM is that requires changing the death control systems there. However, the most probable ways that shall be done will be that the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites will continue to dominate social systems that operate in an extremely oblique ways, while they do their best to deliberately ignore and deny what they are really doing in response to environmental pressures that have gone beyond human control.
Radical, I love what you do. I just wish you could condense it for easier consumption. I get the gist of what you are saying by scanning the first sentence of each paragraph. The point is to communicate, I believe. If you overwhelm with a quantity of words, who can get thru it?
Re. the greed backed by murder that you so amply put across. A shift in our collective mental model is required. How so? Heliocentric theory broke down hierarchies because it caused people to see their existance in a new way. At first, the PTB had no problem with Coprenicus, but 70 years after his death, the Church did everything it could to stamp out his ideas because as the ideas disseminated, they invoked political change. The Church failed in it's suppression and we had the Enlightenment, The Rights of Man, etc. Not perfect, but better. Since then, we have had the discovery of Quantum Mechanics. The world of the small does not behave like the world of the large. What's going on? How can these two states coexist? To me, it is all about perception. We are socialized to percieve reality in a way that's amenable to the status quo. As with The Enlightenment, as the implications of Quantum Mechanics disseminate, a new percepton of reality will take hold in our collective consciousness, impacting all spheres of human endeavor, including, the political. The importance of fear based greed and destruction of fellow sentinent beings will dissipate as these are material persuits that impede persuits of a higher order that the openning of the doors of perception via the internalizing of implications of Quantum Theory will bring about. People will come to realize that beyond certain basic needs being met, that allow us to keep alive, aka perceiving, material pursuits are a waste of time, hence, stealing etc. is a waste of time. Jung figured this out. Freud did not. All the best.
double talk!
Empty talk. Maybe you could somewhat specific in your critique?
conscious being, my only poor excuse for rambling is that I feel that am pretty well only posting comments for my own amusement, to pass time ... Which is sadly ironic, given that my primary worry is that there is NOT going to be enough TIME for civilization to adapt, before its mad self-destruction gets too severe ???
I certainly agree with you that:
"As with The Enlightenment, as the implications of Quantum Mechanics disseminate, a new perception of reality will take hold in our collective consciousness, impacting all spheres of human endeavor, including the political."
HOWEVER, a few generations from now, civilization may have destroyed itself too much for it to have adapted to "a new perception of reality ..." Indeed, I would be a lot happier about what I was doing, and perhaps be motivated to take the trouble to edit it better, IF I believed that there was going to be enough of a future for technological civilization to have survived another few generations, until the passage of time enabled significant paradigm shifts to happen:
"An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning."
-- Max Planck
These days, instead of that being able to eventually happen, I tend to believe that technologically based civilizations will destroy themselves too much, too fast, for the paradigm shifts to have enough time to work themselves through. Indeed, I tend to be so completely convinced of that at the present time, that everything I do hangs by a fraying thread of irrational hope, rather than any conviction that what I am doing has any practical value. I could rationalize what I am doing for the sake of "the future" a lot more IF I believed that our civilization was going to have such a "future," rather than madly destroy itself, BEFORE it adapted enough to prevent that.
Thanks for the in-depth reply RM. I read your excellent hyperobjects rely too which you may have noticed left me speechless. Awesome!
The fabled city of Petra, which is in modern day Jordan was a micro-California. When the rains stopped coming the place wound up deserted. Sad when you see what all they had to leave behind. Or Mycenae, gone within one generation because of changed storm tracks caused by global (warming or cooling, I can't remember which). It's sad that Cali is in for a rough ride but it's likely a pattern that will repeat throughout the southern USA. that population flow will bump right up against the Canadian border. That'll get ugly...
Our industrial activities have strip-mined the planet and dumped the waste into the oceans and atmosphere in such vast quantities that I don't think we can think in terms of a "natural" environment any longer. Our whole world has been geoengineered / modified. Nobody else cares too much about California's particular iteration of it, "chemtrails". The data is thin approaching non-existent, and if there is a covert operation in progress, I wish them well trying to get the goods on them. If you "believe", your best bet is to move.
All the above geoengineering could or must be said to have been done out of ignorance. That is no longer the case. A reporter from The Economist asked about "the pause" on 31MAR14 and was told the data suggests continued rapid warming. Here's the two replies, first Chris Field, lead author for WG2, then Michelle Jarraud:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZONwnqWFe8&feature=player_embedded#t=4671
I watched the Suspicious Observers / Lord Moncton on "the pause" where they examine the 18 year history of some(?) atmospheric data. What they don't point out is that data refers to one small piece of the puzzle. Atmoshere+cryosphere+land COMBINED pale in comparison to the heat content of the two upper layers of the water column (0-700meters, 700 down to 2000m) here's a data plot:
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Chris Field says they're not seeing anything like a pause in the data, Jarraud says "there is no pause".
I am amazed that people ignore the MOUNTAIN of data gathered over the last several decades, improving exponentially as we go, with better and better analysis as well, but shout from the rooftops that chemtrails are going to "kill us all!!!" based on a theory but next to no data. Just look up and believe??? WTF? At the same time, many of these same people on the chemtrail megaphone will denounce the IPCC as liars and the UN as the devil incarnate. I realized after Copenhagen the UN was not functioning the way I thought it was supposed to the same way I realized family law was not functioning the way I thought it was supposed to the day I walked out of the settlement conference.
This is why I see Paris as the UN's moment of truth. The IPCC has brought the nations and their institution to the cliff's edge. AR5 says we must act aggressively, right now, for what's at stake is far bigger than a few million Californians. I see the events leading up to Paris as a manifestation of the stress the nations of the world are under over Paris. They're acting out, like children. If the UN fails to get the member nations to stop acting out and get to work in a cooperative fashion on something that may well kill us all, then I expect many nations representing billions of people are going to stick a fork in it. Done. I would also expect to see an alternative being created. This makes Paris a potentially destabilizing and dangerous event...
Do we sit idly by continuing business as usual waiting for AR6, which is essentially what we have done (square root of fuckall) since Copenhagen? No Paris better not be a repeat of Copenhagen. It IS different this time.
But I'm not holding my breath for the reasons you outline. people don't want to face more radical truths and be honest about what they do. They think they can hold their moral high ground and go surfing, and let others operate the death controls for them, then get on their megaphones and say how evil it all is. Hypocrites r us.
Up the thread Lore suggested I go first. Well I hope when the time comes that my son and daughter are old enough to get laid I'll be able to find the courage to discuss what it means to them and all life to operate their own murder systems.
MEAN BUSINESS, I have watched several different documentaries that featured the history of Petra as an example of what climate change can do to a civilization. Throughout history, and pre-history, climate change was one of the main drivers of events!
YES, there is a significant chance of "that population flow will bump right up against the Canadian border. That'll get ugly..." One of the many tragedies that one can foresee when the global warming trends return is ENVIRONMENTAL REFUGEES overwhelming Canada!
Some links and thoughts regarding the possible ways that geoengineering could have covertly been behind triggering the current Californian troubles:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
First, the climate can be an angry beast that human beings are poking with a stick, and second, the people poking that beast with a stick are criminally insane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x8BVyodH0Y
http://sgtreport.com/2014/09/target-of-the-engineered-drought-catastrophe-california/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYG5emdZp8
Target of the Engineered Drought Catastrophe: California
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY
Pilots, Doctors & Scientists Tell Truth about Chemtrails
That is a 15 minute video condensed from a 2 hour meeting.
The banksters destroying the economy with Ponzi schemes of debt & taxes is one thing, BUT, geoengineering madness is WORSE! Constant bombardments of toxic chemicals, sprayed via airline tankers, contributing to many bad diseases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasta_County,_California
Shasta County is an interesting party of California, and I have heard many times before that, for some reasons (unknown) it is one of the places where geochemical engineering appears to get done a lot more than in most other places ... It seems to me that the West Coast is getting hit with worse weather modifications than others?
California always had the natural potential for serious droughts, however, that now appears that may have been deliberately triggered by covert human actions. Human beings are not yet powerful enough to change basic conditions to cause natural events to happen that could otherwise not happen. However, human beings do have the technology to trigger natural events to happen, and certainly can destroy natural ecologies, through persistent, wide-spread abuses.
Overall, I believe that there are systematic efforts to destroy the American democratic republic and its rule of law, by destroying various aspects of the American economy, in every region. Of course, there are those making apparent profits while doing that, however, that does not stop that overall agenda being criminally insane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5is16A8pfw
Another solid 17 minute presentation about geoengineering.
That video presentation was put on by the
http://www.agriculturedefencecoalition.org
When thinking of "defending agriculture" all one has to do is think about cannabis, to comprehend the kinds of criminally insanities that the ruling classes have engaged in ...
I am NOT saying that I am certain about whatever the whole truth and nothing but the truth may be about geoengineering. However, I AM CERTAIN of things like the criminalization of cannabis cultivation being an extreme example of the general pattern of social facts, that, currently, civilization behaves in criminally insane ways! That the best plant for people would be criminalized is the single, simplest symbol of that!
Thanks for the links Rad. The links to DIGPLANET lead me to what I already suspected was more or less the legal situation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention
"The Environmental Modification Convention (ENMOD), formally the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques is an international treaty prohibiting the military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects. It opened for signature on 18 May 1977 in Geneva and entered into force on 5 October 1978.
The Convention bans weather warfare, which is the use of weather modification techniques for the purposes of inducing damage or destruction. The Convention on Biological Diversity of 2010 would also ban some forms of weather modification or geoengineering.[2]"
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I empathize with the people in the Shasta Council video. It may eventually be revealed that there was a rouge actor in the MIC (I would guess bigAG) dabbling in nefarious activities. But I think that at a certain level of activity, the data would accumulate to the point where the evidence would start to suggest that laws were being broken, either State, national, or international treaties. And it seems Californians love law suits, the bigger the better. While I empathize, I would recommend that those concerned for their health should move elsewhere and not wait for the lawsuit to be concluded.
The reason I pull out my snark-sixshooter on these threads is that I want other readers to bear in mind that regardless of what one thinks about the IPCC or the UN, there is going to be a meeting in Paris (unless one of the children flips over the game table) and there will be an attempt to draft a legally binding agreement. I find many here commenting on chemtrails also tend to attempt to instill fear, uncertainty, and doubt towards anything global warming/IPCC/UN related. My hunch is that most people never thought too much about global warming until An Inconvenient Truth came out, whereas I decided to go farming over 20 years ago - I thought that I was "hedging" against it LOL!, and for most it's an ideological battle. It is wickedly clever to get people to be concerned about chemtrails will kill us all!!! (the just look up and believe! really cracks me up) and blame the evil UN Agenda 21. The UN is evil so the IPCC is obviously lying to us to take away your freedom ! enslave us all ! tax breathing ! NWO !
I agree with your theories Rad and as you say there's a boatload of evidence to back them up. Paris is going to put your theories to the test! Will the AR5 be their own dog biting them in the ass? Will the immaculate hypocrites and professional liars win the day as you expect? I think it's going to be epic whatever happens, a pivotal point in history.
the pause question / jpeg ?
Paradoxes with enforcing any "treaties" arise between nations. As for individuals, I think you are right that the time lag in law suits, and the degree to which the legal systems are rigged, makes those unlikely to work. Just look at the extreme cases of dumping liquid toxic chemicals, and how pathetic the final results really were after proving that. To whatever degree there were toxic chemicals being sprayed high in the atmosphere, I doubt that any court case on the ground would resolve that having already been done ... Another "solution" which would be too little, too late, is what that looks like to me.
RM - I take your point about civilization's tragectory towards disaster arriving more quickly than people can evolve. My hope is that what appears to be an impending, severe break down in the specific version of the system we are currently operating in will give space for new ways of thinking to take hold. I decided it was better for me to live a life based on values than to continue to participate in the race to pile up digits in some bank's server complex. I broke with the debt money backed by murder system to paraphrase your apt description, almost 20 years ago now. I left the technological epicenter and looked for an intact culture with authentic people and went back to the land. I have no regrets. I'm outrageously healthy for my age for example. I'm not in Shasta County where people with the same self-sufficient dream I have are getting poison rained down on them. The hope I have is that the poisoners of Shasta County are about to loose "the mandate of heaven" as the Chinese say. If this break in the system does not arrive soon, I'm afraid I'll have to join you in your distopean outlook. Let's see what happens.
Final thought. I started replying to your posts because you are obviously very sharp, the posts are thought provoking and your pain comes through. I wanted to make the point that to me, based on my life experience and knowledge gained, that despite what occurs in our temporal experience, there is always a metaphysical way forward. That's why I brought up Carl Jung as he's kind of a bridge between the Newtonian / Cartesian world view and metaphysics, inspired by the observations of the new/ old reality Quantum Theory provides. Once you start to notice, the metaphysical starts to intrude on the mundane world view that's been instilled in us since childhood. I don't know how much exposure you have had to this type of thing. I thought looking into it might help. If the current system fails and people start looking around for answers, enough people winding up in the space I'm talking about might help. Jung's esotetic writings are suppressed, probably because they challenge the world view that sustains the PTB. Jung's introduction to the I-Ching and The Tibetan Book Of the Dead are imo good places to start. I looked around, but could not find a link to either. Where I am there are many good 2nd hand book stores where this type of thing is easily available. Anyhow, I hope this can bring you some cheer. All the best.
"My hope is that what appears to be an impending, severe break down in the specific version of the system we are currently operating in will give space for new ways of thinking to take hold."
I hope so too, conscious being.
Decades ago, I made my own series of decisions to attempt to participate in the registered political processes, rather than have a goal like acquire a sail boat that I could live on, or some land that I could attempt to live on ... Therefore, I have spent most of my time attempting to more directly address the political problems, especially the issue of the funding of the political processes. I.e., fifteen years total of court cases against the government of Canada regarding the laws about how political parties are funded, and my current work on Canadian Electoral District Associations.
From an intellectual point of view, I keep on making the same THEORETICALLY VALID decisions again and again, that I made decades ago ... although, with more experience that has ended up looking more and more like my own personal form of insanity, because, in the real world, the main thing I have been actually PROVING, so far, is that POLITICAL PROGRESS SEEMS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!
I agree with your recommendations. I read "Jung's introduction to the I-Ching and The Tibetan Book Of the Dead" several decades ago and found them very worthwhile! (The I Ching continues to be my favourite book.) ... MEANWHILE, my main ways of coping with the FACTS that the more I learn about political problems, the worse those get, is that I have developed my own metaphysical ways of being able to hold on to some finite sorts of irrational hopes, and even more so, I am able to hold on to transcendental hopes, or philosophical consolations and some spiritual solace.
Got any outbuildings on your slice of dirt? Implied Violins may be looking for some storage space.
No,no,no, you're not willing to go that far defending your piece of heaven on earth, but your gang (benb etc) just might...
You're innocent and pure. just defending your property rights... for your children., whatever the costs may be. we will never surrender!
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just something to think about, from one back-to-the-land-er to another. From one political idiot to another.
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Rad's comments aren't thought provoking, they're Fendt Trisix :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe3KE9BoTys
As posted by Your Truly some weeks ago, water is the next and ultimate asset and weapon, whose control is getting concentrated into ever fewer Strong Hands.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-13/nasa-scientist-warns-california...
Fri, 03/13/2015 - 14:52 | 5886269 Kirk2NCC1701
A must-see documentary ("FLOW: For the Love of Water") deals with the dwindling global supply of drinking water, and its transfer from the public ownership to private ownership.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/flow-for-love-of-water/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow:_For_Love_of_Water
"Flow: For Love of Water" is a 2008 documentary film directed by Irena Salina. The film won the Grand Jury Award at the Mumbai International Film Festival and the Grand Jury Award for Best Documentary at the United Nations Film Festival. It competed in the Documentary Competition at the 2008 Sundance Film Festival.
The film deals with attempts at privatization of water infrastructure. Major businesses depicted in the film are Nestle, The Coca-Cola Company, Suez, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
FLOW launched a Right To Water campaign to add a 31st article to the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights, Article31.org.
FLOW was released theatrically by Oscilloscope Labs in September, 2008, and then invited to screen for the UN General Assembly on the 60th anniversary of the signing of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, where the first 50,000 signatories to Article31 were presented to the President of the General Assembly, Father Miguel D'Escoto Brockmann.
Don't agree. If the political will were there solar-powered desalination, recycling, better leak detection and more dams could solve the problem.
didn't junk ya MB but you forgot better deaths controls on your list. Ain't that numero uno at the NPP club? LOL!
Which brings up that whole "Let's get militant. militant." isssssssUe.
MEAN!, I knOw. but Closer To The Heart...
It's the political science Old Boy : )
Monty, you are a smart guy, although in this case, you are talking about fixing the sails while somebody is drilling holes in the hull. GeoEngineering is being employed.
It's a growth industry according to Stewart Brand:
Whole Earth Discipline - Why dense cities, nuclear power, transgenic crops, restored wildlands, and geoengineering ARE NECESSARY.
early 2009
hay, all of my best friends are geoengineers ; )
killerz. HAHAHA ; )
p.s. Al Gore isn't so keen on GeoE. really! (IIRC The Future ; )
Warren Buffet Ad :
Water - No Problem
Drink more Coca Cola
And release more CO2 in air which will further increase greenhouse effect and more draught, so the solution : Drink more Coca cola (and give me all your money)