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HEAD of the FBI’s Anthrax Investigation Says the Whole Thing Was a SHAM

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Agent In Charge of Amerithrax Investigation Blows the Whistle

The FBI head agent in charge of the anthrax investigation - Richard Lambert - has just filed a federal whistleblower lawsuit calling the entire FBI investigation bullsh!t:

In the fall of 2001, following the 9/11 attacks, a series of anthrax mailings occurred which killed five Americans and sickened 17 others. Four anthrax-laden envelopes were recovered which were addressed to two news media outlets in New York City (the New York Post and Tom Brokaw at NBC) and two senators in Washington D.C. (Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle). The anthrax letters addressed to New York were mailed on September 18, 2001, just seven days after the 9/11 attacks. The letters addressed to the senators were mailed 21 days later on October 9, 2001. A fifth mailing of anthrax is believed to have been directed to American Media, Inc. (AMI) in Boca Raton, Florida based upon the death of one AMI employee from anthrax poisoning and heavy spore contamination in the building.

 

Executive management at FBI Headquarters assigned responsibility for the anthrax investigation (code named “AMERITHRAX”) to the Washington Field Office (WFO), dubbing it the single most important case in the FBI at that time. In October 2002, in the wake of surging media criticism, White House impatience with a seeming lack of investigative progress by WFO, and a concerned Congress that was considering revoking the FBI’s charter to investigate terrorism cases, Defendant FBI Director Mueller reassigned Plaintiff from the FBI’s San Diego Field Office to the Inspection Division at FBI Headquarters and placed Plaintiff in charge of the AMERITHRAX case as an “Inspector.” While leading the investigation for the next four years, Plaintiff’s efforts to advance the case met with intransigence from WFO’s executive management, apathy and error from the FBI Laboratory, politically motivated communication embargos from FBI Headquarters, and yet another preceding and equally erroneous legal opinion from Defendant Kelley – all of which greatly obstructed and impeded the investigation.

 

On July 6, 2006, Plaintiff provided a whistleblower report of mismanagement to the FBI’s Deputy Director pursuant to Title 5, United States Code, Section 2303. Reports of mismanagement conveyed in writing and orally included: (a) WFO’s persistent understaffing of the AMERITHRAX investigation; (b) the threat of WFO’s Agent in charge to retaliate if Plaintiff disclosed the understaffing to FBI Headquarters; (c) WFO’s insistence on staffing the AMERITHRAX investigation principally with new Agents recently graduated from the FBI Academy resulting in an average investigative tenure of 18 months with 12 of 20 Agents assigned to the case having no prior investigative experience at all; (d) WFO’s eviction of the AMERITHRAX Task Force from the WFO building in downtown Washington and its relegation to Tysons Corner, Virginia to free up space for Attorney General Ashcroft’s new pornography squads; (e) FBI Director’s Mueller’s mandate to Plaintiff to “compartmentalize” the AMERITHRAX investigation by stove piping the flow of case information and walling off task force members from those aspects of the case not specifically assigned to them – a move intended to stem the tide of anonymous media leaks by government officials regarding details of the investigation. [Lambert complained about compartmentalizing and stovepiping of the investigation in a 2006 declaration.  See this, this and this]

 

This sequestration edict decimated morale and proved unnecessary in light of subsequent civil litigation which established that the media leaks were attributable to the United States Attorney for the District of the District of Columbia and to a Supervisory Special Agent in the FBI’s National Press Office, not to investigators on the AMERITHRAX Task Force; (f) WFO’s diversion and transfer of two Ph.D. Microbiologist Special Agents from their key roles in the investigation to fill billets for an 18 month Arabic language training program in Israel; (g) the FBI Laboratory’s deliberate concealment from the Task Force of its discovery of human DNA on the anthrax-laden envelope addressed to Senator Leahy and the Lab’s initial refusal to perform comparison testing; (h) the FBI Laboratory’s refusal to provide timely and adequate scientific analyses and forensic examinations in support of the investigation; (i) Defendant Kelley’s erroneous and subsequently quashed legal opinion that regulations of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) precluded the Task Force’s collection of evidence in overseas venues; (j) the FBI’s fingering of Bruce Ivins as the anthrax mailer; and, (k) the FBI’s subsequent efforts to railroad the prosecution of Ivins in the face of daunting exculpatory evidence.

 

Following the announcement of its circumstantial case against Ivins, Defendants DOJ and FBI crafted an elaborate perception management campaign to bolster their assertion of Ivins’ guilt. These efforts included press conferences and highly selective evidentiary presentations which were replete with material omissions. Plaintiff further objected to the FBI’s ordering of Plaintiff not to speak with the staff of the CBS television news magazine 60 Minutes or investigative journalist David Willman, after both requested authorization to interview Plaintiff.

 

In April 2008, some of Plaintiff’s foregoing whistleblower reports were profiled on the CBS television show 60 Minutes. This 60 Minutes segment was critical of FBI executive management’s handling of the AMERITHRAX investigation, resulting in the agency’s embarrassment and the introduction of legislative bills calling for the establishment of congressional inquiries and special commissions to examine these issues – a level of scrutiny the FBI’s Ivins attribution could not withstand.

 

After leaving the AMERITHRAX investigation in 2006, Plaintiff continued to publicly opine that the quantum of circumstantial evidence against Bruce Ivins was not adequate to satisfy the proof-beyond-a-reasonable doubt threshold required to secure a criminal conviction in federal court. Plaintiff continued to advocate that while Bruce Ivins may have been the anthrax mailer, there is a wealth of exculpatory evidence to the contrary which the FBI continues to conceal from Congress and the American people.

Exonerating Evidence for Ivins

Agent Lambert won't publicly disclose the exculpatory evidence against Ivins. As the New York Times reports:

[Lambert] declined to be specific, saying that most of the information was protected by the Privacy Act and was unlikely to become public unless Congress carried out its own inquiry.

But there is already plenty of exculpatory evidence in the public record.

For example:

  • Handwriting analysis failed to link the anthrax letters to known writing samples from Ivins
  • No textile fibers were found in Ivins’ office, residence or vehicles matching fibers found on the scotch tape used to seal the envelopes
  • No pens were found matching the ink used to address the envelopes
  • Samples of his hair failed to match hair follicles found inside the Princeton, N.J., mailbox used to mail the letters
  • No souvenirs of the crime, such as newspaper clippings, were found in his possession as commonly seen in serial murder cases
  • The FBI could not place Ivins at the crime scene with evidence, such as gas station or other receipts, at the time the letters were mailed in September and October 2001
  • Lab records show the number of late nights Ivins put in at the lab first spiked in August 2001, weeks before the 9/11 attacks

As noted above, the FBI didn't want to test the DNA sample found on the anthrax letter to Senator Leahy.  In addition, McClatchy points out:

After locking in on Ivins in 2007, the bureau stopped searching for a match to a unique genetic bacterial strain scientists had found in the anthrax that was mailed to the Post and to NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw, although a senior bureau official had characterized it as the hottest clue to date.

Anthrax vaccine expert Meryl Nass. M.D., notes:

The FBI’s alleged motive is bogus. In 2001, Bioport’s anthrax vaccine could not be (legally) relicensed due to potency failures, and its impending demise provided room for Ivins’ newer anthrax vaccines to fill the gap. Ivins had nothing to do with developing Bioport’s vaccine, although in addition to his duties working on newer vaccines, he was charged with assisting Bioport to get through licensure.

 

***

 

The FBI report claims the anthrax letters envelopes were sold in Frederick, Md. Later it admits that millions of indistinguishable envelopes were made, with sales in Maryland and Virginia.

 

***

 

FBI emphasizes Ivins’ access to a photocopy machine, but fails to mention it was not the machine from which the notes that accompanied the spores were printed.

FBI Fudged the Science

16 government labs had access to the same strain of anthrax as used in the anthrax letters.

The FBI admitted that up to 400 people had access to flask of anthrax in Dr. Ivins' lab.  In other words, even if the killer anthrax came from there, 399 other people might have done it.

Moreover, even the FBI's claim that the killer anthrax came from Ivins' flask has completely fallen apart. Specifically, both the National Academy of Science and the Government Accountability Office - both extremely prestigious, nonpartisan agencies - found that FBI’s methodology and procedures for purportedly linking the anthrax flask maintained by Dr. Ivins with the anthrax letters was sloppy, inconclusive and full of holes.  They found that the alleged link wasn’t very strong ... and that there was no firm link.  Indeed, the National Academy of Sciences found that the anthrax mailed to Congressmen and the media could have come from a different source altogether than the flask maintained by Ivins.

Additionally, the Ft. Detrick facility - where Ivins worked - only handled liquid anthrax.  But the killer anthrax was a hard-to-make dry powder form of anthrax.  Ft. Detrick doesn't produce dry anthrax; but other government labs - for example Dugway (in Utah) and (Batelle (in Ohio) - do.

The anthrax in the letters was also incredibly finely ground; and the FBI’s explanation for how the anthrax became so finely ground doesn't even pass the smell test.

Further, the killer anthrax in the letters had a very high-tech  anti-static coating so that the anthrax sample “floated off the glass slide and was lost” when scientists tried to examine it.  Specifically, the killer anthrax was coated with polyglass and each anthrax spore given an electrostatic charge, so that it would repel other spores and “float”.   This was very advanced bio-weapons technology to which even Ivins' bosses said he didn't have access.

Top anthrax experts like Richard Spertzel say that Ivins didn’t do it. Spertzel also says that only 4 or 5 people in the entire country knew how to make anthrax of the "quality" used in the letters, that Spertzel was one of them, and it would have taken him a year with a full lab and a staff of helpers to do it. As such, the FBI's claim that Ivins did it alone working a few nights is ludicrous.

Moreover, the killer anthrax contained silicon ... but the anthrax in Ivins’ flask did not.  The FBI claimed the silicon present in the anthrax letters was absorbed from its surroundings … but Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories completely debunked that theory. In other words, silicon was intentionally added to the killer anthrax to make it more potent.  Ivins and Ft. Detrick didn't have that capability ... but other government labs did.

Similarly, Sandia National Lab found the presence of iron and tin in the killer anthrax … but NOT in Ivins' flask of anthrax.

Sandia also found that there was a strain of bacteria in one of the anthrax letters not present in Ivins’ flask. (The bacteria, iron, tin and silicon were all additives which made the anthrax in the letters more deadly.)

The Anthrax Frame Up

Ivins wasn't the first person framed for the anthrax attacks ...

Although the FBI now admits that the 2001 anthrax attacks were carried out by one or more U.S. government scientists, a senior FBI official says that the FBI was actually told to blame the Anthrax attacks on Al Qaeda by White House officials (remember what the anthrax letters looked like). Government officials also confirm that the white House tried to link the anthrax to Iraq as a justification for regime change in that country. And see this.

People don't remember now, but the “war on terror” and Iraq war were largely based on the claim that Saddam and Muslim extremists were behind the anthrax attacks (and see this and this)

And the anthrax letters pushed a terrified Congress into approving the Patriot Act without even reading it. Coincidentally, the only Congressmen who received anthrax letters were the ones who were likely to oppose the Patriot Act.

And - between the bogus Al Qaeda/Iraq claims and the FBI's fingering of Ivins as the killer - the FBI was convinced that another U.S. government scientist, Steven Hatfill, did it.  The government had to pay Hatfill $4.6 million to settle his lawsuit for being falsely accused.

Ivins' Convenient Death

It is convenient for the FBI that Ivins died.

The Wall Street Journal points out:

No autopsy was performed [on Ivins], and there was no suicide note.

Dr. Nass points out:

 

FBI fails to provide any discussion of why no autopsy was performed, nor why, with Ivins under 24/7 surveillance from the house next door, with even his garbage being combed through, the FBI failed to notice that he overdosed and went into a coma. Nor is there any discussion of why the FBI didn’t immediately identify tylenol as the overdose substance, and notify the hospital, so that a well-known antidote for tylenol toxicity could be given (N-acetyl cysteine, or alternatively glutathione). These omissions support the suggestion that Ivins’ suicide was a convenience for the FBI. It enabled them to conclude the anthrax case, in the absence of evidence that would satisfy the courts.

 

Indeed, one of Ivins’ colleagues at Ft. Deitrich thinks he was murdered.

Whether murder or suicide, Ivins' death was very convenient for the FBI, as dead men can't easily defend themselves.

 

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Fri, 04/17/2015 - 22:54 | 6005444 fleur de lis
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Good that he stopped covering up for the perps and decided to warn the rest of us about malicious psychos pulling the strings. As if we didn't already know. Hope he lives out the summer.

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 07:05 | 6005882 SoilMyselfRotten
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Yeah, he committed suicide, just like that Madam with Congresscritters in her book committed suicide. How could you accept that w/o question? Silly

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 20:55 | 6005180 p00k1e
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The perps are all gone.

Thanks. 

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 20:02 | 6005001 wisefool
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Good find G.W. It is heartbreaking to know that some of the best talent (with or without honesty) went into public service to help people, have had their entire lives work product squandered on hoaxes, false flags and all other manner of lies. Full spectrum from make work grabassery to ulimate intentional evil.

This is setting aside the millions of combantants and non combatants killed, maimed or sucided. This is ignoring the lives punished by the IRS to pay the salaries that could have just as easily came from the printing press.

What I am trying to say is that all these workers could have worked on the #1 and #2 threats to national security. They could have still got their pay checks. Their patronage chains, Their pensions. The IRS could still go collect taxes using guns and lawyers. But the work product of the actuall state could have been attempts to mitigate/remedy things like Fukishima and the Drought. Instead we spent $4T on a police/military state that is as doomed as everyone else. Hot particles do not care who you are, what level your security clearance, where you live, what you did in life, or what you still want to do.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 18:38 | 6004736 kaiserhoff
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Good piece, George.

That case never made sense.  Plenty of hype and news conferences.  Nothing close to evidence.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 18:18 | 6004660 btdt
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hasbara, hasbara, come out come out and tell us a story.

 

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 17:12 | 6004418 Brutlstrudl
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I ask each and every sheeple I have contact with, and am able to work 9/11 into the convo with, about the collapse of the buildings. They've all seen the footage, and heard the lies, and so after they respond, I ask them one question:

"Why did the two towers collapse, as seen in the footage, below the impact zones?"

 

Instead, ask why the third tower fell. A liot of people ask,"What third tower. Show them "That" footage".

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 12:23 | 6006353 moneybots
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"Why did the two towers collapse, as seen in the footage, below the impact zones?"

 

The out of control fires, which weakened the structural steel in the fire zone.

Can prethend it was somethng else, but it was the fires.

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 19:55 | 6007375 VWAndy
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Bla bla bla. That answer is just stupid. But I will give ya points for being consistant.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 10:56 | 6008348 moneybots
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"Bla bla bla. That answer is just stupid. But I will give ya points for being consistant."

 

The truth isn't stupid.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 13:16 | 6008665 VWAndy
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Again with the non answer? As if you have any way of knowing what really happened that day. For a guy that claims to know the truth? How about ya back it up.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 09:45 | 6008211 SoilMyselfRotten
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Out of control fires

 

You should paste that tripe on your enlarged forehead so you don't forget it. Then do some real reading about physical impossibilities.

 

P.S. I'll save you time, fire has never(re-read this, never) made a steel framed building collapse in it's own footprint, ever. 

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 11:04 | 6008369 moneybots
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"P.S. I'll save you time, fire has never(re-read this, never) made a steel framed building collapse in it's own footprint, ever.

 

What a silly statement.  All three WTC buildings collapsed within and without their footprint.

Excpt that the towers collapsed outside their footprint, none of the other buildings would have been damaged

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 10:57 | 6008351 moneybots
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"Out of control fires

 

You should paste that tripe on your enlarged forehead so you don't forget it. Then do some real reading about physical impossibilities."

 

 

It isn't tripe, it is the truth.

 

 

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 17:26 | 6004471 dexter_morgan
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been there , done that. My experience is they revert back to the comfort zone of 'the committee that studied it found it to be plausible, so I'm fine with it'. That includes the 3rd building where the random fires took it down in its footprint in seconds.....despite that never happening anywhere before.

sheeple willingly being led to slaughter. Baaaaaa

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 18:54 | 6004785 logicalman
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It's hard for most people to admit that their world view is a pile of shit.

I was fortunate to have a mother who was an anarchist and a father that would be called a libertarian, today, so I never had that problem.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 19:00 | 6004817 optimator
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Ones I talk to either don't know, or what's worse, don't wanna know.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 21:14 | 6005225 weburke
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yup, problem then becomes telling them that prep is needed and food ingredient lists contian deliberate poisons. 

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 17:08 | 6004398 Pancho de Villa
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Why this hijo de puta wait so long before telling the truth?

 

When are those Limey Bastards across the Pond going to admit that They "suicided" Dr Kelley? He just wandered off in the woods, sat down and cut his wrist with a pocket knife? Bullshit!

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 17:38 | 6004512 SmedleyButlersGhost
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Heeeeey loco - good one . Never heard of that guy but found the basics on a search. wtf

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 18:49 | 6004773 logicalman
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The death of Dr Kelley definitely fails the smell test.

 

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 16:57 | 6004349 mastersnark
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"...had a very high-tech anti-static coating so that the anthrax sample 'floated off the glass slide and was lost' when scientists tried to examine it. Specifically, the killer anthrax was coated with polyglass and each anthrax spore given an electrostatic charge, so that it would repel other spores and 'float'.

Constructed to defeat subsequent analysis? Man, the CIA sure don't fuck around, do they!?!?!

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 16:47 | 6004315 dexter_morgan
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Hillary will get to the bottom of it.

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 19:36 | 6007336 Fred Hayek
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Just as soon as whatever "it" is gives millions to the "Clinton Foundation".

The next time her pretentious little ditz daughter goes off on another humblebrag about how she tried to make herself care about money but just couldn't someone should ask her how she likes having everything in her life paid for by bribes and donations from corrupt authoritarian regimes? Ask her how she likes driving that new car when it was paid for through bribes to her mom the bag lady by regimes like the Saudis who don't let their women drive cars. Are you okay with that, Chelsea?

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 15:16 | 6006768 Shitgum Suicide
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Using the words Hillary and bottom in the same sentence does not conjur up a pleasant image.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 16:56 | 6004314 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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" After locking in on Ivins in 2007, the bureau stopped searching for a match to a unique genetic bacterial strain scientists had found in the anthrax that was mailed to the Post and to NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw, although a senior bureau official had characterized it as the hottest clue to date."

That is the tell right there. Someone high up on the food chain (not in the FBI) didn't want it to be identified. They couldn't play the new unidentified strain card else that would have brought too much attention trying to study it.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 17:41 | 6004522 sgt_doom
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"not in the FBI" --- Not so fast there, Jocko!

Let us not forget who and what Robert Swan Mueller III was and is:  first appointed to head the DOJ's criminal division when George H.W. Bush was prez, to successfully interdict the investigation into any and all connections between the White House and that BCCI investigation (for reference on it for the short-attention span crowd, please see move, The International, with Clive Owens and Naomi Watts), which he successfully did.

Mueller is then next appointed to head the FBI about one week prior to 09/11/01 --- and not only doesn't do much with that investigation, but fumbles on that missing nuke secrets at Los Alamos investigation --- and what about all those so-called terrorists the FBI supposedly stopped (the poor kids in Liberty City, Miami FL, and Pennsylvania) not to mention the Boston Marathon attack was never halted, nor the Underwear Bomber, etc.

Now Robert Swan Mueller III, wonder if he's related to the former head of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Franciso, a Mr. Swan, when six months prior to the JFK assassination, $17.5 million goes missing (wonder what it took to fund an off-the-books presidential assassination back then ???)?

But speaking of the JFK assassination, we do know that Robert Mueller III is the grandnephew of Richard Bissell, one of the three CIA senior directors fired by President Kennedy (the other two being Allen Dulles and Gen. Charles Cabell).

And Mueller's wife is related to Gen. Cabell, one of the other two CIA directors, whose brother, Earl Cabell, was mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63!

Although an older book, best book I've yet read on the Anrhax episode was:

Dead Silence, by Bob Coen

Also, the real scoop on a frequently repeated "limited hangout" (false and misleading story) on the murder of Frank Olson.

 

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 15:00 | 6006727 moneybots
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"And Mueller's wife is related to Gen. Cabell, one of the other two CIA directors, whose brother, Earl Cabell, was mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63!"

 

So what?  it doesn't mean anything as to Lee Oswald killing JFK.

50 years and no one has been able to prove it wasn't Oswald, on his own.

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 19:45 | 6007354 VWAndy
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Other than its an almost impossible shot tha LHO could not have made.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 11:07 | 6008376 moneybots
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"Other than its an almost impossible shot tha LHO could not have made."

 

It wasn't an almost impossible shot.  If it was, nobody else would have been able to make it either.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 12:39 | 6008583 VWAndy
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Again with another stupid rebuttal. Nobody made any shot from that window. But JFK is dead from a head shot. Now from other positions like the knol? Yeppers that shot is cake.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 09:49 | 6008231 SoilMyselfRotten
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Yeah, they sealed the records cuz they were so open and interested in the truth, bozo

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 11:09 | 6008380 moneybots
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"Yeah, they sealed the records cuz they were so open and interested in the truth, bozo"

 

The bozos were the one writing all those conspiracy books.

 

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 16:39 | 6004290 Oldrepublic
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Before they “suicided" Ivins, they tried to stitch up Dr. Steven Hatfill. He later got a settlement for 5.8 million dollars from DOJ.

Hope that the Ivins' estate goes after the DOJ!

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 17:51 | 6004547 sgt_doom
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Interesting their diabolical means, huh?

Using government funds for the payoff, with a bought-and-paid for federal judge, no less.

And what was Hatfill's first move when he was hired to manage the lab there at Ft. Detrick?

He fired around five senior scientists, thus giving him unfettered access to any Anthrax, should anything ever come back to that lab.  (Wrongful termination lawsuit filed in Thurmont, Maryland, if I recall correctly.)

When researching Hatfill's work background, it has been changed and altered repeatedly over the past decade to a most suspicious extent, chaning his tenure at Ft. Detrick to a so-called "internship"?????

Also, located right nearby Ft. Detrick was (still may be?) Dynport, part owned by Bioport (registered offshore and owned by by the el Hibri family) and part owned by Dyncorp.

Remember Dyncorp?

And who had the facilities to weaponize Anthrax?

Dynport, of course!

Not suggesting anything, just stating the facts, unlike the FBI!

AMI fatality lawsuit:

http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/Stevens.pdf

 

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 16:24 | 6004241 kchrisc
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"HEAD of the FBI’s Anthrax Investigation Says the Whole Thing Was a SHAM"

I, and many I know were, are, way ahead of him. He's in "St. Louie," and were in Barstow.

But the key is taking note of the lives they so casually destroyed and murdered in their "sham."

The banksters need to repay us.

 

Comparing the Gestapo to the FBI is an insult to the Gestapo.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 16:49 | 6004328 Fun Facts
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Before all is said and done here in zionist New Bolshevik occupied amerika, the DHS will emerge as the one who makes the gestapo look like the good humor men.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 19:45 | 6004955 kchrisc
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Yes and no.

Germany never had much of a "gun culture," and therefor Germans were much less armed, even before the Nazi gun-centralization efforts, in comparison to Americans.

Generally, we Americans of the American country are armed to the teeth, as is my garden.

The banksters need to repay us.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 16:24 | 6004238 Ignatius
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See also Dr. Graham MacQueen's 2014 book,  The Anthrax Deception: The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy

As the anthrax attack unravels it may well take down the official 9/11 narrative with it.

Great article, GW.

Fri, 04/17/2015 - 16:46 | 6004312 kchrisc
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The key, as many people have pointed out, to unraveling the 9/11 false-flag in the minds of the sheeple is the nature of the fall of the buildings.

I ask each and every sheeple I have contact with, and am able to work 9/11 into the convo with, about the collapse of the buildings. They've all seen the footage, and heard the lies, and so after they respond, I ask them one question:

"Why did the two towers collapse, as seen in the footage, below the impact zones?"

This avoids the propaganda undermined "free-fall" argument, and forces them to think, and not just listen.

The banksters need to repay us.

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 12:49 | 6006389 moneybots
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"Why did the two towers collapse, as seen in the footage, below the impact zones?"

 

The fires weakened the structural steel, causing a catastrophic failure.

Once a collapse in the fire zone began, there was no stopping it. The floors below could not stand up the tons of steel landing on each floor below.

Each floor would have been stripped off the flange holding it to the exterior wall, or as such the floor truss and its flange would have been stripped from the outer columns.

In the South Tower, debris fell down from the floor above the bowed in columns along the east wall and moments later debris was blowing out windows on the floor immediately below that as the floor above it had collapsed.  The pattern continued until all the floors had collapsed, as each could not stand up to the debris crashing down on it.

 

 

 

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 19:49 | 6007323 Fred Hayek
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So . . moneybots, it's not a violation of basic physics that the scores of floors of building beneath the impact zone of each tower didn't even slow down the rate of "collapse"? Watch the video again. When the "collapse" is down to, say, the 60th floor, there aren't 46 floors of building above it pushing down on it. There was effectively about 1 or 2 in the pattern of the unprecedented "collapse" of the World Trade Towers. And yet, this 60th floor of the building which had for, around 30 years born the weight of the 46 floors above it was so delicate, so weak, in the official story, that it couldn't even slow down a little, not even infinitessimally, the rate of the "collapse". To believe this part of the official story you either have to completely disagree with Newton's laws of physics or you have to believe that the structure below the impact zone had no strength whatsoever. Those are your choices if you believe the official story.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 11:45 | 6008451 moneybots
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"So . . moneybots, it's not a violation of basic physics that the scores of floors of building beneath the impact zone of each tower didn't even slow down the rate of "collapse"?"

 

15 floors of structure collapsing down on the 94th floor and you expect a slow motion collapse?

How many milliseconds would it take to strip a floor from its connection to the outer columns?

A flange held the floor to the column.  That flange would not have held against all that force of debris striking the floor. It would have been snapped off the column in an instant.

That there were scores of floors had no bearing on the effect of debris falling on each floor in turn.  SNAP, SNAP, SNAP, each floor was stripped from its flange connection to the columns.  The collapse progressed rapidly down through all 94 floors.

"When the "collapse" is down to, say, the 60th floor, there aren't 46 floors of building above it pushing down on it."

There was no pushing.  Debris was falling.  Debris slammed down on each floor, stripping the flanges from the columns.

In The South Tower, just the debris falling down from the floor above the bowed in columns, caused the floor below the bowed in columns to collapse, resulting in debris being seen ejecting from the windows on the floor below the bowed in columns and rqapidly the one below that.

There was no violation of any laws of physics.

"To believe this part of the official story you either have to completely disagree with Newton's laws of physics or you have to believe that the structure below the impact zone had no strength whatsoever. Those are your choices if you believe the official story."

I am not talking about any official story.  I am talkiing about what is viewable in the video recordings.

The Towers were on fire and the fire was the cause of their collapse.

 

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 11:49 | 6008463 Ignatius
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moneybots, you work very hard at distributing false, dissembling information.

Is that your job?

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 12:02 | 6008496 moneybots
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"moneybots, you work very hard at distributing false, dissembling information.

Is that your job?"

 

What false information?  Just look at the videos.  The WTC buildings were on fire, none of the fires were ever controled and the buildings collapsed, just like that apartment building in NYC, the other week.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 02:19 | 6007908 malek
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So some object standing still on top of a platform exerts the same force on it when it instead drops on said platform with, for example, a speed of 30 mph?

You need to learn some basic physics, me thinks.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 10:45 | 6008320 Ignatius
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The acceleration of the roofline of WTC1 has been measured through the first few seconds of its descent and in that time there was no measured deceleration.  You can't induce a dynamic load (your "30 mph") unless there's a decelertation, i.e., it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the bottom.

"You need to learn some basic physics, me thinks."  Do tell....

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 02:49 | 6010333 malek
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Bullshit.
You forgot the case where you induce a dynamic overload so large that the "deceleration", at least on video frames of 30 fps or whatever, is too small to be identifiable.

Try again.

Sat, 04/18/2015 - 17:22 | 6007009 Mister Delicious
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the remaining jet fuel and office fires, did not weaken the center core columns of those buildings - the idea is fucking preposterous.

And if they *had* - that they would suddenly collapse in pancake fasion, one after the other, all the way to the bottom, with less an less load above, and engineereed [the lower down the column] to handle MORE AND MORE weight {3x what was needed} is impossible in the absence of some other source of significant energy capable of destroying or somehow substantially and immediately weakening those massive, and redundant cores.

nano-thermite, mini-nukes, directed energy weapon, pick a theory - but those buildings did not collapse that way due to a little jet fuel and office furniture - absolutely no way.

Look into how those buildings were made - it probably could have sustained MULTIPLE impacts from jetliners.

Sun, 04/19/2015 - 12:25 | 6008553 moneybots
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"And if they *had* - that they would suddenly collapse in pancake fasion, one after the other, all the way to the bottom, with less an less load above, and engineereed [the lower down the column] to handle MORE AND MORE weight {3x what was needed} is impossible in the absence of some other source of significant energy capable of destroying or somehow substantially and immediately weakening those massive, and redundant cores."

 

It was not about the weight the columns could hold, but what force the flanges that held the floors to the columns could withstand, when tons of debris fell down on the floor.  They obviously could not withstand the force of falling debris.

The columns could have been designed to hold 10 times what was needed.  The flange connections still would have failed.

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