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The Greek "White Knight" Emerges: Putin To Give Athens €5 Billion For Advance Gas Pipeline Fees
With Greece teetering on the edge of insolvency and forced to raid pension and most other public funds, ahead of another month of heavy IMF repayments which has prompted even the ECB to speculate Greece should introduce a parallel "IOU" currency, a white knight has appeared out of nowhere for Greece, one who may offer $5 billion in urgently needed cash. The white knight is none other than Vladimir Putin. “Just because Greece is debt-ridden, this does not mean it is bound hand
and foot, and has no independent foreign policy,” Putin said previously.
According to Spiegel, citing a senior figure in the ruling Syriza party, Greece is poised to sign a gas deal with Russia as early as Tuesday which could bring up to €5 billion into the depleted Greek coffers.
The move could now "turn the tide" for the debt-stricken country according to a senior Greek official.
As Reuters adds, during a visit to Moscow earlier this month, Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras expressed interest in participating in a pipeline that would bring Russian gas to Europe via Turkey and Greece.
Under the proposed deal, Greece would receive advance funds from Russia based on expected future profits linked to the pipeline. The Greek energy minister said last week that Athens would repay Moscow after 2019, when the pipeline is expected to start operating.
Greek government officials were not immediately available to comment on the Spiegel report.
Of course, this being Greece, the probability of actual repayment is negligible: after all the likelihood of a Greek default is astronomical, and €5 billion will do little to change the mechanics of Greek debt sustainability. And Putin very well knows this.
However, the Russian leader is not acting out of the kindness of his heart, but merely engaging in another calculated move, one which kills two birds with one stone:
- Following the death of the South Stream, whereby the EU pressured Bulgaria to refuse passage of the Russian gas pipeline to Europe, Russia needed an alternative route of bypassing Ukraine (and Bulgaria) entirely, something which according to Kremlin's plan should happen over the next 3 years. And with Hungary and Serbia all eager to transit Russian gas to the Austrian central european gas hub, Greece was the missing link for a landline transit. With this agreement, Russia gets the green light to extend the Blue Stream all the way to Austria and preserve its dominance over the European energy market while leaving Ukraine in a completely barganining vacuum.
- Perhaps just as importantly, suddenly Russia will energy as the generous benefactor riding to Greece's salvation, in turn even further antagonizing the Eurozone and further cementing favorable public opinion. As a reminder, several weeks ago we showed that Russia already has a higher approval rating among the Greek population thatn the Eurozone. In this way, Russia has just won a critical ally for the very low price of just €5 billion, without even having to restructure the entire Greek balance sheet should Greece have exited the euro and been attracted to the Eurasian Economic Union. Which also means that all future attempts to impose further sanctions on Russia by Europe will fail thanks to the Greek veto vote.
Russia is not alone in seeking to divide the spoils of the collapsing Eurozone: Beijing has also sought to invest in Greece's infrastructure and bought up €100m worth of short-term government debt last week the Telegraph reports.
Ironically, it was none other than Germany's finance minister Wolfgang Schauble who said the Greeks are free to pursue deals with Russia and China as they rush to avoid an impending bankruptcy. Turns out the Greeks decided to do precisely as the German suggested, and the outcome will certainly not be to Germany's liking.
The only question following what may well be another masterful stroke by Putin is what will Europe do, now that Putin has in the span of under one year, not only "annexed" Crimea but fully drawn Greece (and the Mediterranean courtesy of Cyprus) into its sphere of influence.
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While we are sure the European leadership will be 'disappointed' at Greece's get-out-of-Troika-jail card thanks to Russia, The Greek people have already expressed their opinion on just who they trust more...
Despite all the western propaganda...
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Finally, for those confused about the flow of funds, here it is:
Russia (Gazprom) gives Greece money, which Greece uses to repay the IMF, which uses the Greek money to fund a loan to Kiev, which uses the IMF loan to pay Russia (Gazprom).
A perfect circle.
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Who cares, newbie. (This is FC - no need to thank me.)
If you haven't seen the countless posts at the time when the RUB was crashing (or should I say getting crashed), I can't help you.
But before you believe you need to correct others
Russia can not really go bankrupt ( financially ).
you should try a bit harder to get your terminology right.
Russia cannot go insolvent, but it can very well go bankrupt even while able to print it's own currency.
More true, and what made the "bunkcruptcy" declarers so hilarious, would be that Russia can hardly go bankrupt while having an export surplus and lots of still sought-after stuff that the TPTB can't print or otherwise fake into existence.
I am not a newbie but had to reregister, presumably after a butthurt Tyler blocked me. So much for ZH being FC...
What you write boils down to the same as what I wrote. That said, I know little about finance and am always happy to learn. ( not really the uppercut :-))
Hey wait a minute. Does this mean Greece isn't going to default? And, should I BTFD before the Monday open?
q99x2 And, should I BTFD before the Monday open?
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You should alway BTFD. Especially if it is ranch dip.
The Greeks are taking "it" in all orifices now! A slave state from every angle. Debt drives people to do very stupid things! They may as well gone to Title Max!
No matter they still can not pay it back.
They should default simultaneously. What's the point of collecting $5bil from Putin only to pay it to Western bankers?
So apparently you haven't learned about bad government. Instead of facing the facts, the government does all it can to delay the inevitable. That is why government keeps making deals with various devils whether it is various banks or other foriegn nations.
The Greek government OF ANY PARTY doesn't want to tell the voters that its all fucked up, there is NO money left and the population (serfs) are fucked. So they keep on making deals to delay their end times.
Rinse repeat around the world including the US eventually.
$5Bil barely buys them a month with the troika. See what's coming due next month?
Gazprom expects to lay down some pipe...*yup* ... and a Greek Wedding to boot.
Greece is Gazprom's Queen.
Russian people bailing out Greece.
Better them for a change.
Bailing out Greece and the Eurotrash banksters
I'm sure Greece will turn into a marvel of fiscal credibility under Russian tutelage.
<-- Trade with Russia
<-- Destroyed by Zionists
Well if you want to have an accurate biased poll, both are Zionist.
That's the lie Brando Smith tries to push w/o saying the Z-word. There is an East and there is a West and the East is emerging as a winner.
spain, italy, portugal next to demand concessions.
The photo above looks like a photoshop job.
Putin is testing the mettle on a number of issues with this offer. He's testing Greek resolve. He's also testing NATO resolve as Greece being a NATO member being invited to entreat with the enemy (?), Russia.
It's a nice move by Putin. The cynic might say that he's trying to crack NATO wide open.
Interesting times.
Is it me or has ZH been going into sensationalism overdrive lately?
This just in 45 minutes ago: Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denies advance payment rumor.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/18/us-eurozone-greece-russia-gas-...
Lately?
Well, in the sense that even raving lunatic like me is starting to get irritated.
Not just sensationalist but also promoting neo-zio-con propaganda bullcrap.
Most days I come here just for the comments, but a bunch of the best ZH frequenters are gone now... There are still good commenters here, but many have fled the lunacy that's been here a while now...
Makes the case for not depending on a single source for information. What would you do if ZH disappeared tomorrow? You should always have a plan B.
"What would you do if ZH disappeared tomorrow?"
You are cruel
I am thinking about trying to find my way on the "Chinese internet", starting with Weibo
ebear - given the fiasco that just occured with 7 pages of comments on the CA drought and warming off-shore water getting deep sixed like a Lois Lehrner disk drive, its time to look for alternatives. Any suggestions from anybody reading this would be appreciated.
oh thanks for informing me about that. Was there any explanation as to why this occured ?
I recently got blocked and had to reregister. Apparently no free speech on ZH either. The Tylers have a political agenda like most people, the pro-Putin publicity/propaganda is very clear. Intuitively I would say they are also much closer to TPTB than they portray themselves to be.
It all started with "Collapse"..... Once you go retard, even ZH retard, tough to come back, I blame Marla
"All is well!!!"
Marla lost it over the Marvi Marmara, then tried to hijack the DNS. Maybe there's been a successful hijack since then?
All european owned news gencies, especially reuters. If those fuckers to me the sky was blue I would parse every last word. The US is worse. Time will tell the truth. Someone is going to profit from truth tomorrow while Americans are still at Starbucks.
This is getting embarrassing, every hurdle the West throws in the way of Russia is either side-stepped or stepped over with minimal inconvenience.
The US after each tactical move just serves to isolates itself a little bit more from €urope and China.
This is becoming a very dangerous situation...........the US should learn to share the global stage.
That's not constitutional conservative foreign policy, is it?
Grimaldus
Its not the US that is the problem. The US is merely the instrument that a nationless cabal of fiendish zionists has tailored and developed to do its bidding. Sure, the sheep do nothing about it. This is true. But if you think Obama, Bush, Clinton or the insane McCain have any say-so whatsoever, you are mistaken. There are curiously only a few fortresses that house the monsters that control the US...whatever the "US" is.
It's my guess that the key Sith Lords have been identified and their location tracked hourly. They know this, certainly. Their failure to contain Vlad has them at the equivolent of Defcon 2 in their own Cheyene Mountain bunkers around the globe...the UK countryside, the Alps, S America, the Blue Ridge mountains.....everywhere but Baalbek. They all seem to like mountains. However, its just my guess.
Some have been around for way longer than us and have deluded themselves to think that they are more valuable. In that regard, perhaps they do value life more than the prols.
Forget prophecy and lore. What comes this way is the work of a dozen or so mortal beings who understand that they are mortal and rightly fear for their lives and the lives of their progeny. They are different, yet still mortal. If Vlad isnt the hunter, the hunt will be conducted by whomever he passes the baton to. That's it. That is what all this is about. Some people think in terms of centuries and millenia. Those that do are very afraid.
Vlad must have quite the dead man's switch.
The Russians know who murdered the Czar and millions of peasant farmers and 'intellegentsia' and they know who arranged the economic rape of Russia under Yeltsin.
"Never Again" will the Russians be fucked by the same tribe, and when they try [and they shall] - Abashed the tribe will stand, and feel how awful goodness is.
This is simply what the Handlers of the Bath House have ordered him to do. Nothing more.
Of course, he will have to crush all Resistance from US citizens, which we can see he is preparing to do.
"the US should learn to share the global stage."
Not allowed, Amerika's boss Israel is of the opinion that g_d chose them to rule over all goyim beasts, and they need to ride their "friend" until it expires, the chosen rule, they do not share. I guess Russia and China are not offering them a ready saddle cause they sure are using up their Babylonian money magic system and their European and North American hosts life force to try and subdue Eurasia. I sure hope everybody doesen't get all antisemenetic about it.
The beginning of the Mediterranean becoming a Russian lake?
The Peace Prize President hasn't been winning hearts and minds around the pond in recent years.
More like Greece becoming the most idiotic basket case of a bankrupt failed state ever. Screw that. Greece will become a non-state. Most Glorious Whatthefuckistan Sovereign Independent People's Something Territory(TM)(C).*
*A GS Subsidiary and total EU bitch. All rights subject to standard tier 3 junior subordination.
I don't think even a pawnshop would loan the Greeks money now.
Putin is the ultimate poker player..
President Tsipras . . . President Putin on line two. He is inviting you over for poker night. Barry Obama will be there, and so will Jack Lew. Oh, and he said for Yanis to bring his check book.
like a game of RISKTM.
Russia now may own controlling interests in Greece, Turkey, Syria, Cyprus, Ukraine.
Both Greece and Cyprus are "EU".
Bulgaria, Turkey, Ukraine and Cyprus are getting Super-Balkanized.
Yeah, the Telegraph is saying Russia "denies striking gas deal to net Greece €5bn".
Old Tyler posesed strong english grammer and spelling; New tyler - abc not as much.
US diplomats have refused to comment on media reports about the delivery by a mysterious Ukrainian plane of 150 tons of alleged diplomatic mail to the US Embassy in Kyrgyzstan.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150415/1020915385.html#ixzz3XfiOppFS
The bottom line here is that Putin is an admired world leader for good reasons. He shows leadership and he guards the interests of his own people, unlike the leaders of the US right now (and I am not limiting my criticism to only Obama). The globalist cabal that is now dominating the [formerly] white western nations (Europe, UK, US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, et al) has earned the contempt of the peoples of those nations, and it is no wonder they show some admiration for true leadership when it asserts itself.
As a Canadian I agree.
I would like our government to exit NATO and remove ourselves from US indoctrination. There is no reason we cant live as an independent nation and trade with who we will.
Many Americans don't think we can defend ourselves. Against who? But if we stay with the warmongers, there surely will be some bad blood to atone for. I am tired of Canada running with the bully pack.
Isn't that what liberty is about? Having a little say in your own destiny without having to worry about Washington, Brussels, Moscow or Beijing?
Canada is a commonwealth member of the bullypack. America is not a crown corporation hence the need for a usurious private FED. Silly canadian.
RIPS
Thanks for the support, Canadian brother. Please be aware that most Americans (as distinguished from US citizens) agree with us. Please bear in mind the "US indoctrination" that you rightfully despise is no more supported by the average American than it is by the average Canadian. We too are tired of traitorous globalists and look forward to the day when we can join with our Canadian brothers to rid ourselves of the global elites that do not have the interests of either of our peoples at heart.
obirdbrain and the progressive useful idiots clearly hate America.
The progressive stupid, it burns.
Grimaldus
Putin is wildly popular in Russia and around the world because he speaks with reason, talks of justice, seeks peace, while the US and much of the west has Zio controlled leaders who represent the elites -the one percenters- and who elect puppets like Obama who simply read a script provided by handlers installed by the elites -to serve their interests. People are figuring this out -
Moscow is prepared to pay billions to Athens in exchange for a gas pipeline deal, according to German and Greek media. The deal would have the potential to turn around Greece's economic crisis, one observer has said.
A potential agreement for a new Russian gas pipeline to be run through Greece could be worth between 3 billion and 5 billion euros for the Athens government, German news site Spiegel Online reported Saturday, citing an anonymous Syriza party official.
"It could turn the tide for Greece," the official was quoted as saying, referring to Athens' bid to stave off creditors and avoid defaulting on loan repayments.
The Spiegel Online article reported that the agreement is expected to be signed between the two countries on Tuesday.
Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras (pictured above, left, with President Putin) and Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis are believed to have come to an agreement with Russian President Vladimir Putin when they traveled to Moscow at the beginning of the month.
The proposed pipeline, which has not been approved by the European Union, could deliver Russian gas via Turkey and Greece to Europe. Though some observers doubt the pipeline will be built on time, or even at all, others predict it could be operational by 2019.
The Greek government was looking to Moscow and Beijing for financing worth a total of 15 billion euros, the Greek weeklies "Agora" and "Karfi" reported on Saturday, quoting government sources.
Greece, creditors to hold talks
Meanwhile, Greece and its international creditors are expected to meet in Paris on Saturday to discuss Athens' debt bailout program and reforms it must undertake to secure much needed funds.
"The Brussels group is meeting this weekend as of tomorrow afternoon," European Commission spokesperson Mina Andreeva told a media conference on Friday.
The Brussels group consists of Greece, the European Union, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund. The European Stability Mechanism, which is responsible for issuing bonds and other debt instruments on financial markets in order to raise capital to aid member states, will also part-take in the weekend talks.
For "logistical reasons," the meeting will take place in Paris, not Brussels as was previously planned, an unnamed European source told the AFP news agency.
"We are trying to keep the process moving," the source was quoted as saying.
"The problem is not that there is not enough dialogue, but that there is not enough technical work. The process lacks numbers, detailed tables," she added.
The discussion is not at the point of "talking about a bailout," she said.
The weekend talks come ahead of an unofficial meeting in the Latvian capital of Riga on April 24, where Andreeva said finance ministers of the 19-country eurozone will have the chance "to take stock of progress."
Greece is hopeful the final part of its bailout funding, worth 7.2 billion euros ($7.8 billion), will mean Athens avoids bankruptcy and is able to repay debts to the IMF and European Central Bank.
German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble, however, has said he does not expect a quick agreement to be reached. Among Greece's biggest creditors, Berlin has long called on Athens to institute austerity measures and other changes before providing more money to the cash-strapped nation.
"There is nothing new," Schäuble said Friday ahead of the spring meeting of the International Monetary Fund. "And I'm not certain there will be anything new next week in Riga."
jlw/sms (AFP, AP, Reuters)
http://www.dw.de/athens-eyes-billions-worth-of-russian-gas-cash/a-183912...
WR;)
OT: Heads up
http://agenda21news.com/2015/04/feds-push-for-total-control-of-property-rights-government-is-named-as-the-owner-of-all-the-water/
Yes, behind the scenes, the USG has set up "legal" (think Eichmann) statutes to reduce Americans into slavery.
Bath House Barry announced this, as Hitler did in his own books.
US soldiers are nothing more than mercenaries. They will enforce these "legal" decrees with all the ammo at their disposal.
Bath House dreams of vast, unmarked graves full of Americans. It is his reason for living.
5 BILLION EUROS !!
Not a bad tactical move by Russia but in reality it's just an extend and pretend outcome for Greece.
Then again, the whole planet seems to be coming up with bandaid solutions for a whole array of problems, so this is nothing unusual for Greece.
If debt for Greece and virtually every serf on the planet is not cut in half and unless interest rates move to a level that discourages malinvestment and malconsimption, then nothing of any lasting benefit will accrue.
Let us look back into the 60s when the USSAs, CIA set up the puppet government of Indonesia under General Suharto from 1967-98 when he and the country were disposed. The IMF and WB had totally broken the country in moar ways than one, leaving it bankrupt, and destitute!
President Sukarno was the first [freedom`ish amerikana] elected president when Indonesia became an independent sovereign in 1948- 67? Un`until the USSA perfected its 'Programmed Junta du`jour' and called him a commi!!!
Gen. Suharto took power killing at minimum 500k innocents to show the USSA he was their man! The western MSM never said a word!
Quote: "With its 100 million people and its 300-mile arc of islands containing the region's richest hoard of natural resources, Indonesia is the greatest prize in South-East Asia" ... 'Richard M. Nixon 1967' (Note: L.B. Johnson was President and wanted it all-- and, that included all of Vietnam's vincinity & regional resources, incl. geography!)
How's that for Freedom and Democracy for AWE!?! What the USSA (emphasis on the exceptionalist?), France, Japan, European consortium, Australia, and Canada all divided the country up.
This was the blueprint that the USSAs, CIA used throughout the 60's til this very day,... 'Divide and Control'.
Remember the Greeks were borderline'd commi's; Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Greece
and still have a mustard?seed tucked away for tymes like today? It's a totally different type of communism based on Mao's ideology? That is a steady as you go transitioning into a symbiotic Socialist/Democratic marriage. (JMO)
Lastly, as I've shown similarities and geographies... that one must pay close attention to, as so many 'Great Prizes have being given-up to Sir Vlad de`Putin', allowing it breathing room from the cold-water arctic ocean into the Agean and Mediterranean. And, let us not forget Syria's fantastic coastal Ports. It seems the whole of the Mediterraean is getting Russificate'd.
Ps. After what the USSA has done to coward sovereign nations into colonial bondage... doesn't one think its tyme to try the other sides ideals!?!
Thanks for bringing up Indonesia, it is almost as if the wholesale looting & pillaging has disappeared from history. There is so little information available, and the media in its southern neighbour rarely mentions the history of this period. We are too busy spying & raiding lawyers & cheating our destitute neighbours out of their share of Oil & Gas royalties.
More twists and turns than Days of Our Lives. What a show!
More twists and turns than RED ROCK [Ireland soap].
Perhaps just as importantly, suddenly Russia will energy EMERGE as the generous benefactor riding to Greece's salvation, in turn even further antagonizing the Eurozone and further cementing favorable public opinion
Perhaps just as importantly, suddenly Russia will energy EMERGE as the generous benefactor riding to Greece's salvation, in turn even further antagonizing the Eurozone and further cementing favorable public opinion
The European Union was designed to be a welfare state.
Surely Russia will also need a military base in Greece to protect the pipeline
Stands to reason,right?
Vlad wins again!
Neocons are grinding their teeth in agony.
A naval base is certainly not an unexpected development. Russian naval assets can easily pay a diplomatic visit to Greece,
The primary mistake in US Foreign policy is that Russia will not defend its outer borders or areas of security.
The current US apparatus is completely out of control.
Humans routinely amplify things out of proportion, as a matter of course or thinking about things. The White house does it, the Pentagon does it, Putin does it, 24 hour news does it, and you're doing it right there.
The reality is much more sedate and boring than the hype.
The real world mirroring Saturday morning cartoons!
Putin as the Road Runner, Obummer as Wile E. Coyote
Maybe the EU will come to their senses and realize that Russia is not their enemy.
This will put pressure on TPTB to complete the destruction of Syria so they can build THEIR pipeline to Europe.
If this thing actually gets built... it would give the Iranians an alternative to the Iraq-Syria route to finally get their gas to Europe.
The terrain to the north through Turkey is a bit rougher, but the locals are friendlier. The big variable would be Putin's stance, but moar oligopoly and less monopoly sells well to the buffoons in Brussels.
What is your assertion based on ?
If their was a desire to build a pipeline through Syria and to Europe, explain why that would require the complete destruction of Syria.
Not complete destruction, complete the destruction. Reading is fun-de-mental.
You wrote "complete the destruction of Syria" in your initial post. If you complete the destruction of Syria, the result is the complete destruction of Syria.
Logic and reason are even more fundamental.
My question to you largely remains in any case.
White knight? Black heart!
http://rufabula.com/articles/2015/04/16/prohibited-movie
Don't you dare to make a movie that shows the glorious Soviet Union in a bad light!
Sorry Pooty boy but the internet is alive and well, even in Russia along with that other persistant aspect of Russian life, the black market. All you Putin lovers need to ask yourselves why there would even need to be a black market in information, movies, even paintings if Putin's Russia were a free and open society?
Don't worry I know you won't. Why do that when you can refexivly hit the down arrow. iili/
ROFL! The pot trying to call the kettle black.
The US does not have "freedom and justice". Consider that the US president believes he has the authority to end anyone without trial, whistleblowers imprisoned while perpetrators go free, "Just Us" bailouts and crony capitalism, inventing "false facts" to justify policies and wars, tax penalties unless you buy their "approved" crony insurance, police thuggery, domestic spying, holding prisoners indefinitely, common stupidity educational standards, war on just about everything, etc... puke.
The US is nothing more than a propagandists wet dream backed by death and destruction.
I did not post this in defense of the cesspool of Washington DC. We do not live in a black and white world. Guilt on the party of one side does not produce innocence in the other. I would defy the commentor above to produce a list of movies officially banned in the US. I won't hold my breath waiting. Far to many people fall into the trap of beleiving the false notion of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Most of the formerly occupied states of Eastern Europe sent there deposed overlords into exile or simply put them up against a wall. Pity the Russians were not so brave or fortunate.
Oh and I'd be careful about rolling around on the floor in the basement of Lubyanka. I can only imagine it's cold and who knows what diseases lurk in those blood stains.
"I would defy the commentor above to produce a list of movies officially banned in the US. I won't hold my breath waiting."
Just google it bunkie. and don't try and hold your breath reading the list. lol
show us the link wise ass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_States
useless talkings
So then you can't refute the story then can you. There are other news sources beside ZH and RT you know. Much to the Kremlin chagrin.
indeed
I suppose that's why all your posts are anti-Putin, while you wait for Obama to slip a CIGAR UP YOUR BUTT in the Oval Office.
Your inability to recognize a facist does not impeed my ability to do so. I might be old but I'm not stupid. I've studied history for nearly 60 years. Tell us when have I ever said anything positive about the cesspool of Washington DC? Tell us, were the Russians ever held accountable for the Holodomor? How about "The great terror" and the Gulags? Oh that's right never. How about the mass deportations never to return? How about the vast swaths of radiological death across Kazakhstan? When has Russia ever known anything but tyranny or chaos? I;ll tell you. Not since Peter the Great. Why did all those former Russian occupied vassel states declare their independence once the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own corruption and incompetence?
Well, Squadron
Now, dude, right now.
But you can't see it. You're too busy blaming Putin for everything that happened in Russia since Peter the Great.
All Putin's fault according to Squadron's own lights. It doesn't matter that Putin wasn't even born for some of them.
ACCORDING TO SQUADRON IT'S ALL PUTIN'S FAULT.
Then there's Putin's fascism. I got some news for you, Squadron, when it come to fascist, nazi behavior, Bibi Netanyahu makes Putin look like a 4 year old pre-schooler.
Why don't spill some pixels telling us what a great man Netanyahu is and how Israel's ethics and moral behavior should be emulated by all nations
ps I'd be very surprised if you are a day over 30
This report was refuted by the spokesman of the Russian government.
Initially, it was spread by a Greek journalist, and the Spiegel report was also written by that same Greek journalist.
Further, a project like that in Greece, would need permission from the EU.
Officially, according to the Russian government, no money has been planned or promised, and the Russian government also says that "nobody asked for their help".
Zerohedge, you are slowly turning into a bag of false news, conspiracy theories and "financial disaster porn".
I've said a few times that all the EU has to do is let the Russians build it and then say, "no thanks".
Your move Vlad.
Fuck you America! You debt-ridden, hard-ridden, has-been whore. Finally, the world has woken up to your violent perversions.
Watch who Greece turns to when they piss off Putin.
who?
I can think of one German who likes this deal - Schroeder!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVF80w67tTM
In other words. You fix your debt problems contracting more debt?
It's not a loan it's a payment!
What are the Greeks doing with a Jewish (Jesuit) prime minister? http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=30736
Would the Chinese like an African president?
This move by Russia is another nail in the coffin of the PetroDollar and the evil ZIOCON cabal. The next market crash will take down all the fiat-currency-paid-for castles (and police/military forces) that currently protect these 'people' and mark my words, as has happened through out history, there will emerge groups of learned pissed off (well organized) Joe-public militia determined to hunt them all down and slay them akin to the modern US police force. Millions of gun owners will play judge and executioner on the ZIOCONs (press, politicians, bankers, all of them) and they know their inevitable judgement day is not far away. This is what violent revolutions do and the mother of all violent revolutions will take place after the next financial collapse.
You've just got to love Putin!
You've just got to love Lee Harvey Oswald. :-)
I have Putin "Hope" and Putin president 2016 T-shirts - the man is a great leader. I pray for such a great man to lead the US -but it won't happen, as long as the criminal Zios own our government, Wall Street and media.
Masterful. Now let's see it work.
The quicker the U.S. responds by pummeling Russia into submission and deposing Vlad the Tyrant, the quicker international relations amongst all countries will normalize.
you're an idiot. you've always been an idiot, homeboy.
This shit is getting so old, I can't even summon the energy to downvote it.
And I bet your name in real life is Adolph Bonaparte....
Don't miss the round trip part where after the pipeline through Greece is operational - the gas will be sold to the EU and paid in Euros -- meaning that the full 5 billion will be paid by the EU anyway!
http://russia-insider.com/en/israel-may-send-arms-ukraine-if-russia-deli... ^^^A STICKY WICKET, WOT? note that the missiles to be sold are Purely defensive...
YOOHOO
FISH ON!!!
Putin has hooked a big one!
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/29/article-2380905-1B019904000005...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/29/article-2380905-1B019912000005...
'The bottom line here is that Putin is an admired world leader for good reasons. He shows leadership and he guards the interests of his own people, unlike the leaders of the US right now'
Emphasis on his own people, any Russian with money not on Putins message ends up in London.......if they have any sense!
Let's be clear here, in politics and banking it's the sociopathic shit that often floats to the very top, in all countries.
"ends up in London.......if they have any sense!"
really now. london is clamping down.
you're behind the curve on this one.
lmao
1. GR goes against EU sanctions against RU.
2. GR leaves NATO.
3. GR sues DE for war reparations.
4. GR leaves EU (w/Shaüble's blessing haha).
5. GR pivots East
all these possibilities.
...and UE is falling apart big time.
the EU and ussa are in a swamp.
when war is your only foreign policy
and your enemy knows it
and your enemy is of equal strength
your enemy has you by the balls.
lmao
No so fast people.
Moscow denies planning multibillion credit to Greece
No agreement with Greece on 3-5bln euro pre-payment - Putin’s spokesman
But remember in the world of today things are not the way they look.
The train of thought in the article appears to be a bit simplistic. Russia is not really hit by the current sanctions and new sanctions are unlikely since several EU-members apparently are in opposition to additional sanctions. Hence Russia should not be too interested to spend money on Greece for the purpose of sanction relieve. The EU on the other hand is hit hard by the sanctions against Russia (because Russian consumers buy less EU-made goods) and by the russian counter-sanctions against the EU (because agri and food exports to Russia have collapsed). I estimate total annual cost for the EU including financial aid for Kiev (at the needed, not the currently paid level) at EURO 100 billion. If Greece mounts the horse and rides an attack against the sanctions some EU countries such as France and Italy, Bulgaria and Hungary shall be most pleased to get rid of the crapy sanctions without being blamed for their abolishment. Only the iron Angela shall be pissed. All in all Russia must have different motives to deal with Greece. Maybe the interest is really in this south-stream pipeline arm to Greece. But if Bruxelles spoilt it for Bulgaria (and it did) than it shall likely spoil it also for Greece. That would be logical, wouldn't it? Maybe the whole development indicates that Russia is already banking on a GREXIT. Gentlemen, fasten your seatbelts.....
“Just because Greece is debt-ridden, this does not mean it is bound hand
and foot, and has no independent foreign policy,” Putin said previously."
The exact same quote could be in the offing for Germany. Let us hope so.
Greece is completely debt ridden with no way to pay it off now or any time in the future.
The Oligarchs are running for the hills...so the hands/head are missing.
The taxpayers (the people) are not paying their taxes...so the pedestrians, the feet, are missing.
So the Greeks sare debt ridden and Greece is bound hand and foot.
No simple exit.
The Russian natgas deal will only keep Greece on life-support, like Ukraine, for the coming decades.
It is only a dismal future if only natty is the way to fund Greek society.
If somehow Greece could develop their infrastructure, invite more tourism, build businesses from these ventures, then maybe Greece could somehow crawl out.
The easiest way for Greece to stop the madness is to Grexit soon, write off all debts, and move forward into a debt-free unknown future.
Dismal facts of life and logic.
I wonder if we'll suddenly find that the whole of Europe leaving only Greece left as the last remaining country!
Barry checking golf, bath houses in Cuba, fuck Iran
well, you're right on the golf.
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/04/iran-has-the-right-to-protect-itself/
Kremlin Denies Reports of Multibillion Dollar Loan Agreement With Greece
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150418/1021069601.html
Whether TRUE or not it can be used Strategically by both Greece and Russia.
Deafault first.
Get 5 billion later.
You know it makes sense.
Even if Putin gave/declared the funds, they still wound get around to finalizing the paperwork before May 11. From where I sit, I'm thinking Grexit on the weekend of 9/10 May. :)
9th of May would make sense.
Greatest day in Russian history, so far.
Appears Washington DC tender contract was a tad too expensive.
Those wild ISIL Mosaad fucks will start blowing up Russian gas pipelines to ensure safety by paying a higher surtax and roping in a gas contract counteroffer.
ISIL/ISIS/Lanley terror cell, whatever you wish to call them are no match for a real army. I'm sure FSB and their elite troops are keeping tabs and will bury the mofo's before they get a chance to do anything substantial. They will wish they got beheaded instead of FSB torture!
ISIL/ISIS = Amateurs vs Professional Russian troops = NO CONTEST!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVMBCangf1U
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBAkDWj0E0
Fantastic video. Thanx for posting.
Have a nice day.
According to xe.com which is good about spot FX quotes over the weekend:
EURUSD 1.0809
EURGPB 0.7224
Anyone see the market elsewhere?
Putin's government refuted the claim about the 5 billion. There was never such a deal.
The journalist who spread the false news it was a Greek correspondent at Spiegel.
"No, there wasn't (any agreement)," said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, in comments made to Business FM radio and quoted by RIA news agency.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/18/us-eurozone-greece-russia-gas-...
Lately I've noticed a lot of false news on zerohedge. Mixed with conspiracy theories.
I'm no statist, but that Putin- guy does seem to be quite slick
Hi, I rather not give you my name nor even my Pennsylvania Ave. address, but I'm looking for a (price is no object) new or used Time Machine as I'd like to go back in time a few years and correct a few mistakes I made. I'd like to go back at least to before the U.S. started doing things in the Ukraine.......
Putin: the most interesting man in the world.
Putin once threw a grenade and killed 50 capitalists. . . then the grenade exploded.
This cat is cool, his comment today on the TIMES poll:
“The power of a nation’s leader is measured first and foremost by the economic power and military capability of his nation,” and
“Still I am grateful to the people who showed this respect, not to me – though it’s pleasant as well – but to our country, Russia”.
And his comment on recognizing the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics is even better:
“I wouldn’t speak about it right now. Whatever I say, it may prove to be counterproductive. We will be guided by the realities on the ground”.
You better respect this guy
I'm a capitalist! Did you mean Corporate Capitalist?
off topic
Polish Politics
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150418/1021058310.html
The background on this "candidate" is that she was a TV news reader who was picked by the ex-communits since they had no credible candidate. Turned out that she claimed that she was a practicing Catholic and the ex-communits, who are nominally athiest freaked. A couple of days ago, she refused to answer for which party she votes for. This was the last straw. The ex-commies cut off all funding for her campaign. And it looks like a wise move since she was polling at 3%.
I'd vote for her, no matter what she stands for.
I would like to announce that I am officially acting as campaign manager for Magdalena Ogorek as candidate for POTUS. Do we want a leader who shows clear vision and complexion or do we want cackles and cankles? The choice is yours America. Do you submit to the NWO, stay enslaved to the OWO, or wake up everyday looking forward to seeing what your President has to say? Magdelena will make sucking at the tit of government a new and welcome experience for those who thought that government was the problem.
The only real question in Greece now, I would think, is whether Zion will send in ZATO or do some really nasty false-flag.
I'm betting on both.
The banksters need to repay us.
It's not whether, it's when. I fear Tsipras will be out latest end of year. And I'm not betting against you.
And yes, the banksters need to repay us - but they won't.
It's a sad, sad world...
They wont repay us willingly. Its up to us as individuals to take our pound of flesh from each of them as we encounter them in "The After". It is your duty to humanity and to your children. Go forth. Be Ye Ne'er so vile.
this is now being "officially" denied by Moscow.
That's because Russia NEVER said it in the first place.
The "news" was created by a Greek journalist who is also a Spiegel correspondent, then spread all over the bullshit Greek blogs (which also report things from extraterestrials), and the propaganda machine of Syriza spread it even further.
Putin NEVER made any deal. It was just a general talk about future plans. The Russian government also said that nobody asked them for any money or aid.
I would seriously alert zerohedge on such bullshit articles copied directly from teenagers' blogs in Greece. Double check first. Putin never made a deal, and nobody asked his "aid" from Greece.
The Greek propaganda machine is by far the most comic in the world after that of North Korea, and it utilizes the biggest bullshit blogs.
I mean those people hired a "YouTube Economist" to run the country, who just wrote a book calling all Europeans idiots and now he's there asking them for more free money.
Stop trying so hard. What are you butthurting about anyway?
Also, they are letting in every single illegal immigrant – no exceptions, under their logic that “they can apply for political asylum within the first 6 months”. Greece had no immigrants in the 80s... now, 1.5 illegal immigrants in a country the size of Chicago. In some major areas that had zero crime in the past (without even the police having to do anything), crime is now about double than Detroit – the only good news is that “deadly” crime is not so high. Soon enough even Putin will not want to be associated with those idiots, especially when they spread false things about his government's deals.
They're not idiots....they know exactly what they're doing. Which is to destroy European/White civilization. What better way than to flood it with the detritus of Africa and the Middle East.
I think you meant the size of Illinois...population and sq mi strikingly similar.
illinois has about half a million illegal immigrants, but much like Greece, it's a jobs problem more than an immigrant problem. The POLS would usually rather not talk about how they themselves killed the economy so they say "they...the immigrants...they did it!". I'm not a huge fan of borders keeping me in though. The days of them "protecting you" are long gone...if they ever actually existed.
Won't work. Here's why:
We all know that Greece will default, but it's just a question of when. If Russia provides 5B euros then that merely forestalls the inevitable for a short while. In a few weeks Greece will be looking for much more cash. At that point Putin has to either give them $50B or bow out. If he gives 50B then he stalls it more.
Eventually, Putin will tire of carrying Greece. At the point he says "no" then he gets to replace the Nazis (i.e. Germans and Europeans) as the Most Evil whipping boy responsible for the whole mess (as portrayed in Greek media). You know it's coming. It's just a matter of time.
Putin: Fuck you Bulgaria
Published time: April 18, 2015 17:48
"Russia denied media reports that it is going to give Greece a loan of up to $5 billion as advance payment for future transit profits from a future gas pipeline. The sum was mooted by the German magazine Spiegel.
Greece is expected to shortly join a joint Russian-Turkish pipeline project that will pump Russian gas to Europe via Turkey. The magazine cited a senior source in the Greek government as saying that the country would get from $3 billion to $5 billion in credit as part of the deal. It was reportedly agreed during Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’ visit to Moscow last week.
But on Saturday, the Russian president’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said no such loan is planned."
http://rt.com/business/250837-greece-russia-pipeline-loan/
OK.
It is a $5B investment by Gazprom to lay down some pipe in Greece.
Looks like Russia got a home run, and went all the way, on their first date with Greece.
I guess its how the up-front money is used to satisfy Legarde and IMF, and EU, and ECB, and Germany.
It is cheap and nearly guilt free controlling interest.