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Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad

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From the first sudden, and quite dramatic, appearance of the fanatical Islamic group known as ISIS which was largely unheard of until a year ago, on the world's stage and which promptly replaced the worn out and tired al Qaeda as the world's terrorist bogeyman, we suggested that the "straight to beheading YouTube clip" purpose behind the Saudi Arabia-funded Islamic State was a simple one: use the Jihadists as the vehicle of choice to achieve a political goal: depose of Syria's president Assad, who for years has stood in the way of a critical Qatari natural gas pipeline, one which could dethrone Russia as Europe's dominant - and belligerent - source of energy, reaching an interim climax with the unsuccessful Mediterranean Sea military build up of 2013, which nearly resulted in quasi-world war.

The narrative and the plotline were so transparent, even Russia saw right through them. Recall from September of last year:

If the West bombs Islamic State militants in Syria without consulting Damascus, LiveLeak reports that the anti-ISIS alliance may use the occasion to launch airstrikes against President Bashar Assad’s forces, according to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. Clearly comprehending that Obama's new strategy against ISIS in Syria is all about pushing the Qatar pipeline through (as was the impetus behind the 2013 intervention push), Russia is pushing back noting that the it is using ISIS as a pretext for bombing Syrian government forces and warning that "such a development would lead to a huge escalation of conflict in the Middle East and North Africa."

But it's one thing to speculate; it's something entirely different to have hard proof.

And while speculation was rife that just like the CIA-funded al Qaeda had been used as a facade by the US to achieve its own geopolitical and national interests over the past two decades, so ISIS was nothing more than al Qaeda 2.0, there was no actual evidence of just this.

That may all have changed now when a declassified secret US government document obtained by the public interest law firm, Judicial Watch, shows that Western governments deliberately allied with al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups to topple Syrian dictator Bashir al-Assad.

According to investigative reporter Nafeez Ahmed in Medium, the "leaked document reveals that in coordination with the Gulf states and Turkey, the West intentionally sponsored violent Islamist groups to destabilize Assad, despite anticipating that doing so could lead to the emergence of an ‘Islamic State’ in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

According to the newly declassified US document, the Pentagon foresaw the likely rise of the ‘Islamic State’ as a direct consequence of the strategy, but described this outcome as a strategic opportunity to “isolate the Syrian regime.” 

And not just that: as we reported last week, now that ISIS is running around the middle east, cutting people's heads of in 1080p quality and Hollywood-quality (perhaps literally) video, the US has a credible justification to sell billions worth of modern, sophisticated weapons in the region in order to "modernize" and "replenish" the weapons of such US allies as Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iraq.

But that the US military-industrial complex is a winner every time war breaks out anywhere in the world (usually with the assistance of the CIA) is clear to everyone by now. What wasn't clear is just how the US predetermined the current course of events in the middle east.

Now, thanks to the following declassified report, we have a far better understanding of not only how current events in the middle east came to be, but what America's puppermaster role leading up to it all, was. 

From Nafeez Ahmed: Secret Pentagon report reveals West saw ISIS as strategic asset Anti-ISIS coalition knowingly sponsored violent extremists to ‘isolate’ Assad, rollback ‘Shia expansion', originally posted in Medium.

Hypocrisy

 

The revelations contradict the official line of Western government on their policies in Syria, and raise disturbing questions about secret Western support for violent extremists abroad, while using the burgeoning threat of terror to justify excessive mass surveillance and crackdowns on civil liberties at home.

Among the batch of documents obtained by Judicial Watch through a federal lawsuit, released earlier this week, is a US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document then classified as “secret,” dated 12th August 2012.

The DIA provides military intelligence in support of planners, policymakers and operations for the US Department of Defense and intelligence community.

So far, media reporting has focused on the evidence that the Obama administration knew of arms supplies from a Libyan terrorist stronghold to rebels in Syria.

Some outlets have reported the US intelligence community’s internal prediction of the rise of ISIS. Yet none have accurately acknowledged the disturbing details exposing how the West knowingly fostered a sectarian, al-Qaeda-driven rebellion in Syria.

Charles Shoebridge, a former British Army and Metropolitan Police counter-terrorism intelligence officer, said:

“Given the political leanings of the organisation that obtained these documents, it’s unsurprising that the main emphasis given to them thus far has been an attempt to embarrass Hilary Clinton regarding what was known about the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi in 2012. However, the documents also contain far less publicized revelations that raise vitally important questions of the West’s governments and media in their support of Syria’s rebellion.”

The West’s Islamists

The newly declassified DIA document from 2012 confirms that the main component of the anti-Assad rebel forces by this time comprised Islamist insurgents affiliated to groups that would lead to the emergence of ISIS. Despite this, these groups were to continue receiving support from Western militaries and their regional allies.

Noting that “the Salafist [sic], the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI [al-Qaeda in Iraq] are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria,” the document states that “the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey support the opposition,” while Russia, China and Iran “support the [Assad] regime.”

The 7-page DIA document states that al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the precursor to the ‘Islamic State in Iraq,’ (ISI) which became the ‘Islamic State in Iraq and Syria,’ “supported the Syrian opposition from the beginning, both ideologically and through the media.”

The formerly secret Pentagon report notes that the “rise of the insurgency in Syria” has increasingly taken a “sectarian direction,” attracting diverse support from Sunni “religious and tribal powers” across the region.

In a section titled ‘The Future Assumptions of the Crisis,’ the DIA report predicts that while Assad’s regime will survive, retaining control over Syrian territory, the crisis will continue to escalate “into proxy war.”

The document also recommends the creation of “safe havens under international sheltering, similar to what transpired in Libya when Benghazi was chosen as the command centre for the temporary government.”

In Libya, anti-Gaddafi rebels, most of whom were al-Qaeda affiliated militias, were protected by NATO ‘safe havens’ (aka ‘no fly zones’).

‘Supporting powers want’ ISIS entity

In a strikingly prescient prediction, the Pentagon document explicitly forecasts the probable declaration of “an Islamic State through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria.”

Nevertheless, “Western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey are supporting these efforts” by Syrian “opposition forces” fighting to “control the eastern areas (Hasaka and Der Zor), adjacent to Western Iraqi provinces (Mosul and Anbar)”:

“… there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran).”

The secret Pentagon document thus provides extraordinary confirmation that the US-led coalition currently fighting ISIS, had three years ago welcomed the emergence of an extremist “Salafist Principality” in the region as a way to undermine Assad, and block off the strategic expansion of Iran. Crucially, Iraq is labeled as an integral part of this “Shia expansion.”

The establishment of such a “Salafist Principality” in eastern Syria, the DIA document asserts, is “exactly” what the “supporting powers to the [Syrian] opposition want.” Earlier on, the document repeatedly describes those “supporting powers” as “the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey.”

Further on, the document reveals that Pentagon analysts were acutely aware of the dire risks of this strategy, yet ploughed ahead anyway.

The establishment of such a “Salafist Principality” in eastern Syria, it says, would create “the ideal atmosphere for AQI to return to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi.” Last summer, ISIS conquered Mosul in Iraq, and just this month has also taken control of Ramadi.

Such a quasi-state entity will provide:

“… a renewed momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against what it considers one enemy. ISI could also declare an Islamic State through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of territory.”

The 2012 DIA document is an Intelligence Information Report (IIR), not a “finally evaluated intelligence” assessment, but its contents are vetted before distribution. The report was circulated throughout the US intelligence community, including to the State Department, Central Command, the Department of Homeland Security, the CIA, FBI, among other agencies.

In response to my questions about the strategy, the British government simply denied the Pentagon report’s startling revelations of deliberate Western sponsorship of violent extremists in Syria. A British Foreign Office spokesperson said:

“AQ and ISIL are proscribed terrorist organisations. The UK opposes all forms of terrorism. AQ, ISIL, and their affiliates pose a direct threat to the UK’s national security. We are part of a military and political coalition to defeat ISIL in Iraq and Syria, and are working with international partners to counter the threat from AQ and other terrorist groups in that region. In Syria we have always supported those moderate opposition groups who oppose the tyranny of Assad and the brutality of the extremists.”

The DIA did not respond to request for comment.

Strategic asset for regime-change

Security analyst Shoebridge, however, who has tracked Western support for Islamist terrorists in Syria since the beginning of the war, pointed out that the secret Pentagon intelligence report exposes fatal contradictions at the heart of official pronunciations:

“Throughout the early years of the Syria crisis, the US and UK governments, and almost universally the West’s mainstream media, promoted Syria’s rebels as moderate, liberal, secular, democratic, and therefore deserving of the West’s support. Given that these documents wholly undermine this assessment, it’s significant that the West’s media has now, despite their immense significance, almost entirely ignored them.”

According to Brad Hoff, a former US Marine who served during the early years of the Iraq War and as a 9/11 first responder at the Marine Corps Headquarters in Battalion Quantico from 2000 to 2004, the just released Pentagon report for the first time provides stunning affirmation that:

“US intelligence predicted the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), but instead of clearly delineating the group as an enemy, the report envisions the terror group as a US strategic asset.”

Hoff, who is managing editor of Levant Report — ?an online publication run by Texas-based educators who have direct experience of the Middle East?—?points out that the DIA document “matter-of-factly” states that the rise of such an extremist Salafist political entity in the region offers a “tool for regime change in Syria.”

The DIA intelligence report shows, he said, that the rise of ISIS only became possible in the context of the Syrian insurgency?—?“there is no mention of US troop withdrawal from Iraq as a catalyst for Islamic State’s rise, which is the contention of innumerable politicians and pundits.” The report demonstrates that:

“The establishment of a ‘Salafist Principality’ in Eastern Syria is ‘exactly’ what the external powers supporting the opposition want (identified as ‘the West, Gulf Countries, and Turkey’) in order to weaken the Assad government.”

The rise of a Salafist quasi-state entity that might expand into Iraq, and fracture that country, was therefore clearly foreseen by US intelligence as likely?—?but nevertheless strategically useful?—?blowback from the West’s commitment to “isolating Syria.”

Complicity

Critics of the US-led strategy in the region have repeatedly raised questions about the role of coalition allies in intentionally providing extensive support to Islamist terrorist groups in the drive to destabilize the Assad regime in Syria.

The conventional wisdom is that the US government did not retain sufficient oversight on the funding to anti-Assad rebel groups, which was supposed to be monitored and vetted to ensure that only ‘moderate’ groups were supported.

However, the newly declassified Pentagon report proves unambiguously that years before ISIS launched its concerted offensive against Iraq, the US intelligence community was fully aware that Islamist militants constituted the core of Syria’s sectarian insurgency.

Despite that, the Pentagon continued to support the Islamist insurgency, even while anticipating the probability that doing so would establish an extremist Salafi stronghold in Syria and Iraq.

As Shoebridge told me, “The documents show that not only did the US government at the latest by August 2012 know the true extremist nature and likely outcome of Syria’s rebellion”?—?namely, the emergence of ISIS?—?“but that this was considered an advantage for US foreign policy. This also suggests a decision to spend years in an effort to deliberately mislead the West’s public, via a compliant media, into believing that Syria’s rebellion was overwhelmingly ‘moderate.’”

Annie Machon, a former MI5 intelligence officer who blew the whistle in the 1990s on MI6 funding of al-Qaeda to assassinate Libya’s former leader Colonel Gaddafi, similarly said of the revelations:

“This is no surprise to me. Within individual countries there are always multiple intelligence agencies with competing agendas.”

She explained that MI6’s Libya operation in 1996, which resulted in the deaths of innocent people, “happened at precisely the time when MI5 was setting up a new section to investigate al-Qaeda.”

This strategy was repeated on a grand scale in the 2011 NATO intervention in Libya, said Machon, where the CIA and MI6 were:

“… supporting the very same Libyan groups, resulting in a failed state, mass murder, displacement and anarchy. So the idea that elements of the American military-security complex have enabled the development of ISIS after their failed attempt to get NATO to once again ‘intervene’ is part of an established pattern. And they remain indifferent to the sheer scale of human suffering that is unleashed as a result of such game-playing.”

Divide and rule

Several US government officials have conceded that their closest allies in the anti-ISIS coalition were funding violent extremist Islamist groups that became integral to ISIS.

US Vice President Joe Biden, for instance, admitted last year that Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar and Turkey had funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Islamist rebels in Syria that metamorphosed into ISIS.

But he did not admit what this internal Pentagon document demonstrates?—?that the entire covert strategy was sanctioned and supervised by the US, Britain, France, Israel and other Western powers.

The strategy appears to fit a policy scenario identified by a recent US Army-commissioned RAND Corp report.

The report, published four years before the DIA document, called for the US “to capitalise on the Shia-Sunni conflict by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes in a decisive fashion and working with them against all Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world.”

The US would need to contain “Iranian power and influence” in the Gulf by “shoring up the traditional Sunni regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan.” Simultaneously, the US must maintain “a strong strategic relationship with the Iraqi Shiite government” despite its Iran alliance.

The RAND report confirmed that the “divide and rule” strategy was already being deployed “to create divisions in the jihadist camp. Today in Iraq such a strategy is being used at the tactical level.”

The report observed that the US was forming “temporary alliances” with al-Qaeda affiliated “nationalist insurgent groups” that have fought the US for four years in the form of “weapons and cash.” Although these nationalists “have cooperated with al-Qaeda against US forces,” they are now being supported to exploit “the common threat that al-Qaeda now poses to both parties.”

The 2012 DIA document, however, further shows that while sponsoring purportedly former al-Qaeda insurgents in Iraq to counter al-Qaeda, Western governments were simultaneously arming al-Qaeda insurgents in Syria.

The revelation from an internal US intelligence document that the very US-led coalition supposedly fighting ‘Islamic State’ today, knowingly created ISIS in the first place, raises troubling questions about recent government efforts to justify the expansion of state anti-terror powers.

In the wake of the rise of ISIS, intrusive new measures to combat extremism including mass surveillance, the Orwellian ‘prevent duty’ and even plans to enable government censorship of broadcasters, are being pursued on both sides of the Atlantic, much of which disproportionately targets activists, journalists and ethnic minorities, especially Muslims.

Yet the new Pentagon report reveals that, contrary to Western government claims, the primary cause of the threat comes from their own deeply misguided policies of secretly sponsoring Islamist terrorism for dubious geopolitical purposes.

 


Dr Nafeez Ahmed is an investigative journalist, bestselling author and international security scholar. A former Guardian writer, he writes the ‘System Shift’ column for VICE’s Motherboard, and is also a columnist for Middle East Eye. He is the winner of a 2015 Project Censored Award, known as the ‘Alternative Pulitzer Prize’, for Outstanding Investigative Journalism for his Guardian work, and was selected in the Evening Standard’s ‘Power 1,000’ most globally influential Londoners.

Nafeez has also written for The Independent, Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, The Scotsman, Foreign Policy, The Atlantic, Quartz, Prospect, New Statesman, Le Monde diplomatique, New Internationalist, Counterpunch, Truthout, among others. He is the author of A User’s Guide to the Crisis of Civilization: And How to Save It (2010), and the scifi thriller novel ZERO POINT, among other books. His work on the root causes and covert operations linked to international terrorism officially contributed to the 9/11 Commission and the 7/7 Coroner’s Inquest.

 

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Sun, 05/24/2015 - 12:08 | 6126901 Oh regional Indian
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Thanks for that Jenkins, I miss J Orlin Grabbe, he was one of my first stumbles into the rabbit hole...I believe they've ressurected his site with all the old material and people putting new stuff....

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:01 | 6128703 apocalypticbrother
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Wow. Who would have thought it?  Bin Laden may have had some CIA/usgov connections...

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 23:45 | 6126093 tony wilson and...
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tora bora
talmoodick
cabbala
kabbalalistick
caannanites
pheonisions
israhellites
babalionians
mappa oded yinons
saturnus
ether net ringings
satan
masonicus
vatican citius
city of londiniums
when israel is mighty
i wish i could spiel corractly

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 23:51 | 6126100 Chuck Knoblauch
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The revelation only escalates things.

This is not good news.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 00:03 | 6126111 kchrisc
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"War is a racket."
Zion are the racketeers.
Langley and Glilot Junction are Zion's war administrators.
We goy are the fodder.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 00:14 | 6126126 Cabreado
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The attention and energy and exposure must be directed at Congress, before you find yourself in the midst of a different form of govt altogether, which you will like even less.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 00:33 | 6126148 GRDguy
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Nothing of military significance happens without agents of The Great Red Dragon financing it.  They always finance all sides of any conflict, which allows obscene profits for them but horrors to people that are "collateral damage."  That's why it takes sociopaths, with no empathy nor conscience, to do these things. They're already "dead."  Nothing to lose.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 00:41 | 6126158 Dixie Flatline
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Must be super secret, otherwise it wouldn't be posted on a website.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 01:02 | 6126190 bunnyswanson
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Obtained through a lawsuit by Judicial watch. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sz_cH7EaOc

Dahboo777 covers this for a few minutes here.

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:29 | 6128718 Counterpunch
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it wasnt super secret. 

and I dont think DIA minded one bit its release.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 01:09 | 6126196 DutchBoy2015
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US blocks vote to have Israel divulge nukes.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/05/23/412526/Israel-US-NPT-nukes-

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 01:10 | 6126198 PoasterToaster
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All terrorists are State terrorists.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 01:28 | 6126214 DipshitMiddleCl...
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isis is funded by the US and trained by Israel

 

everyone knows this!

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 01:34 | 6126219 DutchBoy2015
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The beheadings are all pure theatre and the videos of the so called beheadings are released by Rita Katz of the Zionist  S.I.T.E   website.

Think about it,  if the USA was serious in fighting ISIS they could just send in a few cruise missiles on them or carpet bomb them.

After all they parade in broad daylight in New Toyotas and white Nikes'.

Also injured  ISIS are being cared for in Israel hospitals.

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 05:17 | 6126344 DutchBoy2015
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No, everyone does NOT know this.   Most Americans believe the ZioMedia which seldom tells the truth.

Their goal??  Keep getting Americans to hate Muslims.   This started with the CIA/Mossad job on 911 and has continued since.

It works on many people,  (sheeple)./

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:47 | 6126441 lakecity55
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Correct! You win the Prize.

The typical USA Serf has no idea what we are up to.

If they did, Congress would be run out on a rail.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 18:05 | 6127737 Main_Sequence
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

-William Casey, Ex-CIA Director

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 01:40 | 6126231 basho
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now it's 'official'

all of these wars have been funded by the ussa sheeple

the usa is in the twilight of its existence.

good riddance

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 02:30 | 6126262 JLee2027
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This is the kind of stuff that should bring down a President. At least it used to before most of Congress sold themselves to the Devil.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:44 | 6126439 lakecity55
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Satan Rules the USG.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 03:09 | 6126280 Victor999
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The deeply evil and psychopathic nature of the bought-and-paid-for Western governments in league with the Gulf states is now revealed for all to see.  These people have no regard fro others, for the human and infrastructural havoc they have sown in their geopolitical games.  And in my opinion it is the support and direction of the international bankers that drives all this for the benefit of Israel and its Zionist ambitions.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 19:28 | 6127936 JLee2027
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In hindsight Nixon's order to commit a burglery was a minor affair. Ah, the good old days of 40 years ago when being a burglar could actually get you in trouble. Now you can murder millions and people yawn about it.

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 10:03 | 6129088 messystateofaffairs
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Psychopaths will be psychopaths.  The systemisation of the national secrets and official secrets acts provides the criminal cabal with the cover it needs to shelter evidence and communicate safely amongst their own kind. The whole system is rigged to fast track psychopaths into position and shelter them, it even has a psychopathic philosophy to rationalize and guide its existence. Individuals who were dangerous to humanity can now operate as an organized cabal. Expect nothing good to come from that.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociop...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 03:58 | 6126311 cwsuisse
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There might be no justifiable reason for the USA to act against Russia. The article seems to suggest that the US (and its appendix Europe) wish to become independent of Russia's gas exports because Russia is belligerent and should be isolated and crushed. And that one of the strategies employed is to prepare the ground for the Quatary gas pipeline to Turkey. And that this preparation requires to topple Assad with the help of militant Islamists that formed ISIS. There are many unanswered questions in this regard. I would like to concentrate on one simple issue. The fighting in Syria has now be going on for a long time. The syrian catastrophe had been unleashed by the US before Russia annexed the Crimean and the separatists started to fight for the independence of Nova Rossia. If the other assumptions were correct it would mean that the US took measures to cut Russia off it's european client before Russia took military action. In this case the US would follow a strategy of pushing Russia into a corner for no justifiable reason whatsoever. The entire reasoning behind the actions against Russia seems to be untrue and the aggressor is obviously the US and not Russia.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:04 | 6126314 PhilofOz
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Sorry, but hey, that's been pretty obvious for a long time now!

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 09:35 | 6126558 SmallerGovNow2
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 good post except russia never took military action.  crimea voted to be a part of russia...

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:31 | 6128719 Counterpunch
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you are late to the party, but you're most welcome.

http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/15/what-if-putin-is-telling-the-truth/

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 04:00 | 6126312 foghorn leghorn
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Deep down inside we always knew this was happening just like we knew the government was spying on us. I still believe that Snowden is a hero and deseerves to be treated as one. What this report does do is show and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what we were saying and posting was not a conspiracy theory and neither was the NSA spying.

I only have one word to say about all of this. "Disgusting!"

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:35 | 6126427 lakecity55
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"ssss Barry, we can use these dudes against the US. Bring 'em in from Texas. After you proclaim Martial Law, I wanna rule Arizona. sssssssss"

"Great idea John, let me use my pen and phone."

"I wanna be Queen of SC."

"OK, Lindsey."

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:33 | 6128722 Counterpunch
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well, its gonna get worse before it gets better, son.

From the Very Creation of the Internet, U.S. Spy Agencies Fought to Block Encryption
Mon, 05/25/2015 - 06:52 | 6128850 foghorn leghorn
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Oh yea I remember that. As a matter of fact a little internet device that connected the internet to your TV was actually considered a weapon by the US government. So the government forced them out of business and forced them to sell the operation to Microsoft who butchered the device and eventually killed it.

Here is the article.

 

U.S. Classifies a Device to Surf the Web as a Weapon

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/08/business/us-classifies-a-device-to-sur...

Oh and they also attacke dblackberry for the same reason.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 04:14 | 6126317 Allen_H
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I wait for terrorist USSA and izraHELL to get its just reward, there will be an international party when it happens. And much blood!

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 04:27 | 6126327 DutchBoy2015
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NO blood, just lots of vapour

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 04:21 | 6126323 Dr. Bonzo
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Noriega... Sadam Hussein... Bin Laden... are we learning yet?

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 04:29 | 6126330 juicy_bananas
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Those documents were under double secret probation.

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 04:56 | 6126335 DutchBoy2015
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Relatively few people know about the truth,    Because the Zionists control all USA MSM and most people STILL watch MSM for their news.

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 05:18 | 6126347 DutchBoy2015
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“Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

– Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:31 | 6126421 lakecity55
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Herman always had the best fucking uniforms.

And, he cheated the hangman.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 05:24 | 6126351 smacker
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This is one helluva giant conspiracy fact.

The political elites involved, in the US, UK and other Western govts, plus the military people and intelligence agencies, need to be rounded up and arrested. They should be housed in a Fema camp while they await trial for treason and a long list of other crimes.

Since this is a redux of Fascism, I recommend Nuremberg II as a way to deal with them.

"I was just following orders" would not be an allowable defence.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 08:32 | 6126495 Niall Of The Ni...
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 No. They need to be dragged out of their plush offices and executed on the spot, and the bodies exposed in public places as a warning to others. Leave documenting the details of their crimes to historians. First things first. The tree of liberty is watered with their blood, and it's looking mighty thirsty.

People who oppose them never get even the pretense of a trial. Why should they?

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:04 | 6126603 conscious being
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The paper for idiots, The Manchester Guardian keeps going on about what a bad guy Assad is for resisting these John McStain, USA eabled cannibals, meanwhile, 400 civilians were just slaughtered in Palmyra by Team America ISIS. The bankster led government knows no shame.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 11:48 | 6126846 smacker
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I know how you feel and it's very difficult to disagree with you. It would have the advantage of saving a lot of money in running trials and all the rest of it.

I have often pondered that those who work within the Almighty State and carry out these criminal practices should also be in no uncertainty that they too will be held to account. "I was only doing my job" would not be an allowable defence.

long on rope and piano wire ;-)

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 05:50 | 6126361 falak pema
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Having created Ben Laden in Jihadist fame in Afghan, as poison pill against Soviet invasion, having seen him become an uncontrollable denier along with the Talibans who followed in his foot-steps to make freed Afghan seat of Jihadist revolt against West--logical about-turn from an obscurantist cultured clique fed on CIA planned obsolescence type military sustenance (along with good ole poppy fever "white gold" like in golden triangle Nam/Laos days)-- the CIA/MIC then cut and pasted the Al Qaeda/Taliban breed--awesome hubris of a corrupted mindset-- to fight the Syrac conundrum of Assad and Russia alliance. 

Breeding the obscurantists militias has to be the natural outlet of an un-natural hand shake in Cold War days to procure the benefits of the never-ending oil spring from those very kings who are totally committed to the same ideological bend; a trend that has seen the people of Islam die by a thousand cuts since they lost their own Enlightenment around 1300 for it to never return, spawning in its obscurantist about-turn wake the sterile game of intra-islamic Fitna and Takfir hatred.

It made those nations vassals of Western colonialism for many centuries and their new-found freedom since WW2 days is stilted in the mindset of leaders from the feudal age! 

When the West goes obscurantist to serve its thirst for ME Oil, like it did for oriental spice/silks/precious stones in medieval days, we now have the gates being opened for a takeover of the world by China rising--the return of Middle kingdom ! 

What you sow Pax Americana you now reap. Marco Polo and spaghetti ! 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:29 | 6126416 lakecity55
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The Failure comes from Hubris, by the Americans not understanding the Holy Koran.

Nor did they read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" by Lawrence, both of which I read in high fucking school.

Once again, politicians fuck up and the military must solve the fucking problem.

The fucking qualifications for Congress and Senate must be who scored the low score on an IQ test, or who is greedy?

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 09:58 | 6126592 conscious being
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More like - Did the face pics come out identifiable from the child sacrifice they were invited to?

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:03 | 6126378 NuYawkFrankie
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re Pentagon TOP SECRET - USSA Created ISIS...

As any reasonably intelligent 5-year old could have told you...

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:24 | 6126414 lakecity55
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McPain: "ssss, Barry, we can arm these dudes. I met them. They are pussycats. ssss"
Barry: "Good recon, John. Make it so."
Miss Lindsey: "They look awfully dangerous to me."

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 06:34 | 6126382 Joenobody12
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To fuck back at them disiminate this article to generate opposition in the US against another regime change. 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:22 | 6126396 lakecity55
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This is news? I was running guns to these dudes 5 years ago.

Hitlery got a 15% cut.

I did not sell them any knives, they are prone to cut things up and themselves.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:06 | 6126404 Infinite QE
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Is there any chaos in the world NOT created by the zios? Any?

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:27 | 6126417 Fidel Castrol
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the intensity of the average murican's rah-rah jingoism is in inverse proportiion to his knowledge of the methods and history of US atrocities all over the globe

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:30 | 6126419 p00k1e
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I have a feeling Bush did do the towers on 911.    

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:34 | 6126426 DutchBoy2015
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More like elements of the CIA/Mossad 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:39 | 6126433 p00k1e
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We wait for the EMP. 

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:46 | 6126440 Monetas
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The Tigris and the Euphrates rivers run down to the gulf .... crude oil from all the gulf fields will run up the same flood plain .... in a pipeline to the Syrian coast .... for delivery to Europe .... freeing up tankers to take more oil to China .... it's pipeline friendly terrain .... Asad had to be dealt with .... before construction begins .... but, the most beautiful pipeline play .... would be the Keystone pipeline .... oil would flow down hill .... just like the Mississippi .... we are winning .... don't lose faith !

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:45 | 6127107 Crocodile
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Only those in Christ can honestly make your latter claim.  Glad I have been adopted into the family of God from that family of Satan and their are only two families and everyone belongs to one or the other...believe it or like it or not...for the day is coming (death) when each person will understand the truth...they already know it, but choose to deny it to there own demise, but will face Christ in judgment bare naked.

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:42 | 6128728 Counterpunch
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The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy

ME? I'm more inclined to Nordic and European paganism.  I think the whole Judaic influence on monotheism was largely spiritual poison - they wrote Deuteronomy 7 well before they had Christians or Rome to blame for anything.

Ever dabble in magick, Croc?

mostly its really just playing tricks on your own mind - belief is a tool.

here's the bacic magickal premise:  you need not wield only one tool, and should not ever believe what you use to work in the world is the only thing to use.

 

www.jesusneverexisted.com

 

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 10:04 | 6129091 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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Reptile, ever see that video 'Zeitgeist'? Perhaps you find it fascinating and useful. Use those BraNeSaLes,,,

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 07:52 | 6126445 lakecity55
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At this point, A Russian invasion of Iraq is needed. They will simply kill all these ISIS/Daesh dudes and go home.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:45 | 6127680 mortem-tyrannus
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+1

There is a brutal simplicity about Russian thinking that does have a certain appeal when compared to the happy horseshit the multicultural crowd keeps shoveling. Too bad the Russians seem to have zero concept of what personal Liberty is all about.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 08:02 | 6126454 Monetas
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ISIS .... Islamic State Is Sunni .... there, you will never forget that, brain dead leftists .... the Iraqi Shias wouldn't share power .... even after we took Sadam's boot off their neck .... so Sunni's took matters into their own hands .... maybe we helped .... but we didn't create them .... the Shias must be denied a break out to the Syrian coast .... and that is being done by the ISIS savagery .... and Israel gets a respite .... me happy !

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 08:12 | 6126455 Monetas
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Sunni Arabia (my term for all the Sunni gulf states of the Arabian peninsula) will be a Shia free zone ! Deny Shias travel to Mecca .... that will put them in their place ! 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 08:21 | 6126474 Last of the Mid...
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two words: speaking fees

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 08:38 | 6126503 tongue.stan
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what is even more shicking id that yhe NSA and CIA are currently acyively posting misinfo on fringe economis blogs and trackimg the web activity of accounts on these same blogs for the purposes of controlling and eventually extinguishing any opposition to their nefarious plans for mass killings .

may the lord alah budha muhaned jasus have mercy on our souls bitchez.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 08:39 | 6126506 Hannibal
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If true,..then the US must be put on their list of "terrorist states"!

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:01 | 6126598 d edwards
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Oh, what a tangled web we weave...now they've created a Frankenstein bent on killing his creator.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:01 | 6126597 VyseLegendaire
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Old news.  Al Baghadi was a fictious character to begin with, this was admitted.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 16:54 | 6127579 falak pema
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You mean he was Ali Baba... and his band the 40 thieves and this whole tale out of a thousand and one nights?

So where is Scherezade? 

Damn, without the dame what's a good tale if we can't wave ours tails in "encore" ! 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:13 | 6126611 Keynesians say ...
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SHOCKED! SHOCKED I TELL YA

 

I wish I could say something will be done and people will be punished for these things, but the O man will just appear on the boob tube say a few things about his darling sons in Baltimore and Cleveland and everyone will suck down some Xanax and other anti-depressants with their 72 oz Big gulp and go back to their happy place

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:16 | 6126622 MS7
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The MSM is out to lunch on this, as usual. At least in a dictatorship everyone knows the press isn't free.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:27 | 6126644 AE911Truth
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Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species.

A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton.

- Bertrand Russell

If you are not in favor of this intended outcome, then do something about it.

Stop supporting the criminals on Wall Street and in DC.

If you are supporting the criminals, then you are one.

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:41 | 6127251 gonetogalt
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Yea, I realized in the '60's that the intention was to cross breed all goy populations into one chocolate brown working class, easily differentiated from their masters visually.

Then LBJ brought us the immigration reform act of 1965 or whatever they called it then...

All you guys who fuck niggahos have helped contribute to this mess..

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 16:20 | 6127463 falak pema
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born a brahmin you wanna die  a brahmin; hi cast denier, reverse swastika n all. Son of Shiva! 

Btw : if you understand human chronology the Vedas and the original Aryans preceded the Torah and Abraham and what followed : Moses and Exodus.

So the elected before the monotheist elected were the ...Aryans ! 

Hitler chose his master race with human chronology in mind and relegated the jews as "cut and pasted" elected. 

Hahaha...when Zion is just the carbon copy of Brahmin Arya veda land. 

What can a Yank understand about olde times; his time line starts where those of the Sioux and Apache ended! 

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 10:16 | 6129114 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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Ahh,,,the Age, 'Taurus the Bull'. Begat the Brahmin, eh. So, you guys don't eat them, just get on your knees and worship them. yeah, right.

     And now Pisces the Fish, gives us Jesus. Who before that? Capricorn the Goat? Krishna? What jewels of wisdom from that 'age'? And the Age before that???     Wasn't it the Ram's Horn, Aries, was it? No,,,not Aries. Too tribal. lol.   Somebody, somewhere 'back in the day' set forth upon this nation, a new doctrine, conceived in Liberty, that all men are ....wait a second. I just got lost. I ain't got time for this...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:28 | 6126649 Optimusprime
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Duh.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:33 | 6126662 marcusfenix
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anybody who paid attention, took an interest what DC was doing out there in the wider world, applied a bit of common sense and independent critical thought already knew how dirty this game was that they are running.

still the confirmation on paper is nice after halving so many look at me like I had two heads after saying this very same thing.

that real people, good people who just want to get along in life, earn some kind of comfort and happiness and leave there world a better place for there children are suffering the most because of what DC and it's allies are doing are by far the worst and most egregious war crimes of the past half century. 

evil cold blooded murders and sponsors of genocide Washington deserves to be called out and placed at the top of the terrorist sponsor list and more so to be recognized as the single largest terrorist organization in the world today.

but the hardest question, the most shameful and upsetting part is when we all look in the mirror and ask how did "we the people" let it come to this? because it happened on our watch.

and what do we do now?

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:34 | 6126664 Quinvarius
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Not for one second did I ever think otherwise.  And Obama is helping them to this very hour.

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:37 | 6126675 Joe Tierney
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Someone here said "megalomaniacs" in the US govt and Pentagon...yes yes yes

 

They actually believe they can breed and then direct radical Islamic forces, and they obviously know from experience (Bin Laden) that these will one day turn against their breeders.....just as Bin Laden did....

 

But in complete verification of the fact that they are MEGALOMANIACS, they still proceed with the breeding because they think they can snuff their 'frankenstein monters' whenever they wish.

 

And  - and - if their frankensteins might perhaps kill a few thousand Americans on American soil (911) so be it - that will simply provide "justificatiom" for yet another war against some desirable target.

 

Why doesn't God just snuff all these evil devil-worshippers? WHY? Someday....someday very soon.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:47 | 6126693 dogismycopilot
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Too bad the MSM won't be telling anyone about this story.

Alex Jones is more credibly every day.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 10:48 | 6126696 p00k1e
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Leaked Video of Cruise Missile Hitting Pentagon on 911

 

 

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/205198/leaked_video_of_cruise_mi...

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:49 | 6128734 Counterpunch
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if a big commercial jet did in fact hit the pentagon, I'm yet to hear a good explanation of the initial, small hole and lack of damage on either side from those big ass rolls royce engines [they did not disintegrate - no one could seriously claim so] ...oh and the engines themselves.

 

maybe there's an explanation because i would also wonder where the "missing" plane went.  whole lot easier to just use a jet there too.

 

of course, I dont for a second believe the alleged hijacker made that approach, or kept that plane dozens of yards off the ground for a couple football fields to hit the accounting section.  so it was either a missile, or a remote controlled perhaps modified jet  [ground speed limits suggest *this* jetliner could not have gone so fast, at least not for long, but who knows, possible for a while, maybe].

 

Either way this vid doesnt prove anything, either way.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 11:10 | 6126740 sidiji
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brought to you by the Amateurs R' US...aint karma a bitch

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 11:23 | 6126770 Ban KKiller
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War profiteers celebrate the death and maiming of the people. 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 11:54 | 6126783 22winmag
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Thank you for stating the obvious.

 

The gas must flow.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 11:43 | 6126829 1stepcloser
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Well this wasn't a very good secret.  Who on this site didn't know this from the start

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 11:46 | 6126841 SnatchnGrab
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One thing that keeps the conspiracy idiots in check is their inability to create a credible, faked memo. I've seen many attempts at forgeries, but that one was pretty bad.

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:50 | 6128736 Counterpunch
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like this?

 

IDF Hamas Human Shield Manual a Sloppy Forgery ...

 

or the docs on the  laptop of death?

 

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 11:51 | 6126857 steve2241
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"...So the idea that elements of the American military-security complex have enabled the development of ISIS after their failed attempt to get NATO to once again ‘intervene’ is part of an established pattern. And they remain indifferent to the sheer scale of human suffering that is unleashed as a result of such game-playing.”

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 15:34 | 6127390 Wahooo
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Yep. It's the First Law of MIC: give a boatload of arms to any group, and you create a new army and customer for life.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 11:59 | 6126877 Jack Daniels Esq
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That dumb muslim white house nigga belongs in Gitmo

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:10 | 6127042 Counterpunch
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you mean the one who keeps appointing Jews to head anything connected to banking or finance?

That secret muslim?

You stupid fuck. Go back over to Drudge.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:38 | 6127665 mortem-tyrannus
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Say what you like about the Jews counterpunch, but at least you never have to fight with them when paying the check for lunch.

And who appointed you ZH etiquette czar? And what the fuck is wrong with Drudge you cock sucking anal retentive limp dick fascist nazi retard?

Get Al Gore's dick out of your hand and think for yourself if you can.

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:56 | 6128742 Counterpunch
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Sand in your vagina?

Try a nice warm bath.

If you think Obama is a secret muslim who calls the shots, you have to explain his disproportionate appointment of Jews.  Jews are 2.5% of the population, I said nothing about their character, indeed I, unlike you and your Islamophobic Ziopathic idiot cohorts understand why 'group' level attirbutes are highly problematic. 

 

But the fact remains, when 2.5% is overwhelmingly over-represented in these appointments, it does kinda take a Drudge reading right wing Israel Firster chickenshit fucking pussy asshole to believe Obama is a secret muslim and not a puppet of the Emmanuels and Axelrods and Sunsteins who got him in.

 

As for your internet tough guy syndrome, well, that might clear up with your acne, you non-contributing, vapid twat.

 

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 12:26 | 6126942 assistedliving
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ISIS ISIL IS USA ISRAEL

rinse repeat

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:34 | 6127082 Counterpunch
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Spartan Israel and its Palestinian Helots

This. Is. Israel.

http://original.antiwar.com/Dan_Sanchez/2015/05/18/spartan-israel-and-it...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 12:31 | 6126956 TheCentralScrut...
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That IIR is a very thin document upon which to be making such expansive conclusions.   For one thing, we have no idea what the source of the IIR was since the source data was redacted.   Was it internally generated, or is it the opinion of a Human source providing their view of the general situation?

Given that the classificaction of the IIR is Secret/NoForn, it's quite likely that it was a human source.   If so, the reliability of the source has been considered, and that rating has been redacted as well.  In sum, there is a good reason that IIRs are not considered "finished intelligence".    They are raw data, generated normally from human sources expressing their opinions.   Think of like police getting information from a confidential informant.  You have NO IDEA if what they are saying it true or not..  But you have to write up the report and pass it up to be analyzed.

That is ALL that an IIR is.  It is NOT finished intelligence.  It is RAW intelligence...   Let me be abundantly clear on that. 

It's also quite possible that this IIR was generated as a general perspective of a Military Attache at one of the embassies in the region.  Which means it represents the author's opinion and current analysis of the situation.

It could also be the analysis/perspective of a foreign gov't affiliated analyst and/or collector.  We have no idea where this information came from because all of the source data is redacted.

 Other than the redacted source of the information (which renders the entire report S/NoForn, the rest of the text is not classified.  It's pretty much open source.   You see, each paragraph is supposed to be given a classification on an IIR because some information is more classified than others.  I see a couple of (C) classifications that have been struck out, which means those comments were formally classified as "Confidential".. but were declassified.

I won't go into detail, but let's just say that I have a bit of knowledge regarding the IIR process.

But here's my take on this.  and some clarifications of the various groups there. 

First off.  AQI is what we called Abu Musab Al Zarqawi's group back in 2004-2006..   Zarqawi was a Jordanian and his views of Jihad were markedly different than Osama Bin Ladin's.   He wanted to pursue his own agenda in Iraq, particularly in regard to targeting the Shi'a Arabs and Iran.   That was his focus.   But in order to gain the loyalty of the other Salafist factions, he had to give his "Bayat" (loyalty) to Bin Laden.

When Zarqawi was killed in 2006, the group was taken over by Abu Ayyub Al Masri, who was much more loyal to Bin Laden, and actually, Al Qaida's #2, Ayman Al Zawahir, who is Egyptian.   Abu Ayyub Al-Masri (Al-Masri mean "from Egypt) was Egyptian and this appointment subjugated AQI under AQ's authority.   But then Abu Ayyub was killed in 2010 and that spelled the end of AQI..   and at that point the US pulled out..  (being simplistic here for expediency).. 

But then we saw Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi arise with ISIS/ISIL.   And he had no loyalty to AQ, Bin Laden, or Zawahiri.   He attempted to undermine Al Qaida at every step in Syria, seeking to force Syrian groups to pledge their loyalty to ISIS, not Al Qaida.  The main group in question is Al Nusra, which is backed by Al Qaida and other "supporting entities", primarily Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

So let's get something straight here.  ISIS is NOT Al Qaida.  In fact, ISIS is a direct "rival to the throne" and they constantly attempt to "poach" Al Qaida members to join ISIS.  They have a similar Jihadist ideology, certainly with regard to restoration of the Caliphate (Islamic State), but differ on who is going to lead that state.

So while the US is scrambling to find some influence in Syria, it had no suitable "clients" to work with.  There were all basically either Al-Qaida OR ISIS affiliated.

I have no evidence to support the contention that Qatar or the Saudi Gov't was lending direct support to ISIS.  They have traditionally been focused on trying to influence or control Al Qaida, as well as Hamas and the Musliim Brotherhood in Egypt and Syria.  And yes, they would certainly love to have a "regime" in place in Syria that would be condusive to building and protecting pipelines from the Gulf to Europe.   But I don't believe they would support a fanatical group like ISIS..   Maybe try to buy some influence, but they don't contol ISIS.

If you look around you will find more than sufficient evidence that Al Qaida, Hamas, the Egyptian MB etc, are opposed to ISIS.  They see them as a direct threat to their own claims to represent any future restoration of the Caliphate.   WHICH, in a Machiavellian manner, puts their interests in alignment with those of Qatar and the West..  namely to confront ISIS as the primary threat.

It also puts US interests in alignment with Iran, which is a direct target of ISIS.

But I also believe there is a deeper game here.  Iran needs a pretext to force Shi'a Arabs to increasingly depend upon them for protection.  Iran is Persian, and Arabs and Persians don't mix.   But if you create a big enough threat against Shi'ites, those ethnic animosities will be overcome and give Iran more influence in the region.

It may even motivate the US to being to side with Iran's interests..  

Bottom line..  I don't think anyone really has much influence with ISIS.  They are trying, but not having any luck.  And ISIS is a direct threat to every regime in the regime because they basically spit on all of those rulers as puppets of west.. 

There is no vested interest in any current government (except Iran) to support them.   And Iran only would because they want to increase their pressure on the Saudis, as well as create the pretext for their direct intervention in Iraq.

 

Scrutinizer

 

 

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:34 | 6127066 Counterpunch
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Laughable nonsense and I'll admit I don't know if it is owing to the imposed ignorance of relying on Fox News and other Zionist/Jewish led, establishment news sources, or an active attempt to dissemble.

It's not even like the above is new, or that it is the only evidence [some of it 'negative evidence' - what should be there, or have been done, and isn't/wasn't, as you may know] which militates one toward the conclusion ISIS has state backing by a state that wants happening what is happening.

That is most of all Israel, second of all Saudi Arabia, and third of all the US, which is inseparable from Israel, which has hijacked much, though not all, of the American Deep State.

But - expect increasingly fierce resistance to this continued Zionist-Neocon Death Charade. No claim of inside knowledge, etc. of course, just it is the inevitable outcome of such an increasingly chaotic system.

And you know as well as I do that Bush, and Cheney, and Perle, Feith and the rest of Israel's spies ought to be dangling from a fucking rope.

With any luck...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:38 | 6127091 Crocodile
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Just Google it and you will find ISIS based as US contractors fighting everywhere that "IS", "ISIL" or "ISIS" is.  Here is one example, the "Institute for Science and International Security". http://www.isis-online.org/ & Academi (AKA: Blackwater) https://www.academi.com/pages/about-us/global-operations

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 16:12 | 6127456 SMC
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"finished intelligence"

Politically driven bullshit... while the raw data that does not support the politically pre-determined position is filed away for CYA.  Ask Bush II's SecState how betraying personal honor and integrity feels.

We're all clowns in this circus.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:07 | 6127037 cassotto
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rrrrrrrrrrrrrright

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:25 | 6127065 Crocodile
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Now we can send more US Military to fight ISIS, another Pentagon force...nothing like psychopath's arguing amongst each other while the stupid and unthinking parents send their children to fight for the side that opposes our liberties and their children's futures.  The US Military has not fought a war based on the guidelines of the US Constitution in our lifetimes.

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Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:46 | 6127113 Sorry_about_Dresden
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These were the coincidences (CIA Action) as I saw them unfolded. CIA accommodates air support for rebels who overthrow the legitimate gov't of Libya and execute the elected president Gaddafi. BIS accommodates the looting of all Libyan gold reserves. CIA office is attached to the US Consulate in Benghazi to accommodate the purchase of weapons of the former Libyan army and the shipment of these heavy weapons on freighters to forces fighting the legitimate leader of Syria. On the tenth anniversary of 911 the Al-CIA-da flag is seen flying over the US Embassy in Cairo. Also that day a corny, stupid, film which had been playing on youtube for a year now appears with Arabic subtitles insulting the prophet. That evening, on 09.11.2011, The U.S. Consulate and CIA annex in Bengazi, is attacked by extremist and Ambassador Chris Stevens and a number of CIA operatives, involved in weapons transfers from Libya to the Syrian port of Tartus, are killed. It is suggested that Qatar is fully financing the Syrian Rebels for reasons stated in the article. QATAR facilitates the transfer of mustard gas in glass warheads to basement storage in Aleppo Syrian in control of Syrian rebel forces. This mustard gas storage facility is then shelled by the Syrian Rebels, now known as ISIS, and many civilians are killed and the US State department immediately blames the Assad regime for this atrocity. While the US administration begins to try and use this as a pretext to give Syrian Rebels air support and unleash the US Air Force on Damascus the Russian genius Vladimir Putin offers to supervise the disposal of Syrian chemical weapons stockpiles, a diplomatic solution and foils the American's ambition to kill Bashar Assad. Since the Americans/Qataris won't get their pipeline the US administration starts to destabilize Ukraine in a bid to try and seize control of Russian Gas supply to Western Europe as payback for Russian interference in the Syrian situation.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:47 | 6127118 Condor96
Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:57 | 6127139 Counterpunch
Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:00 | 6127141 OneTinTrooper
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Does anyone actually believe that the ME would be more stable if  our objectives in Syria were obtained?

I want to believe my government.  But they and their lapdogs lie so much I am relegated to getting my news from places like RT and ZH.

Quit the damn lies!!!  I am tired of feeling more proud of Putin than I am of my own White House. 

 

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:00 | 6127150 Counterpunch
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your government is Israeli occupied territory.

And who ever said they want stability?

Read up:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:04 | 6127161 DutchBoy2015
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US war planes never hit ISIS targets.  Its all a sham.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/05/24/412628/US-ISIL-Iraq-Mowaffak-alR...

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 19:18 | 6127363 petkovplamen
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and the scariest thing is the utter contempt the US media has for its readers. There is a photo CNN has published several times already allegedly showing US planes striking ISIS fighters yet you can clearly see a guy on the ground calmly walking away from the supposed bombing. 

 

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn265/petkov00/bombing%20isis-1023-ex...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 15:32 | 6127382 Counterpunch
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right.

its also the case that that isis convoy that rolled so casually into iraq some time ago was plainly allowed to do so.

6 A-10s could have literally destroyed every breathing thing in that column and every truck and piece of armor in under 10 minutes.

Of course, that's why they arent using A-10s.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:34 | 6127234 palmereldritch
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There is criminal and civil code to punish this type of behaviour:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339B

Indictment and prosecution will not likely be forthcoming when you have laws that, tellingly, include this final section in that particular statute:

(j) Exception.— No person may be prosecuted under this section in connection with the term “personnel”, “training”, or “expert advice or assistance” if the provision of that material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization was approved by the Secretary of State with the concurrence of the Attorney General. The Secretary of State may not approve the provision of any material support that may be used to carry out terrorist activity (as defined in section 212(a)(3)(B)(iii) of the Immigration and Nationality Act).

Could explain why Hillary was so skittish about that Bengahzi thing.  Makes the Sec State the fall guy for the whole shootin' match.

That being the present case, the standard set at Nuremburg trumps all weasel words that may attempt to escape responsibility for any such subsequent and similar genocidal criminality.

Accountability starts at the top.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:39 | 6127244 Counterpunch
Sun, 05/24/2015 - 15:36 | 6127394 Counterpunch
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Report: Israel treating al-Qaida fighters wounded in Syria civil war

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighter...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wall-street-journal-israel-caught-red-hande...

Of course half of Al Nusra took their shit and joine dup with ISIS, and Israel has been acting as ISIS airforce.

But think of it...

Israel is helping Al Qaeda on record - and nobody in the msm seems to notice or care.

Still think the media isnt owned and controlled by Jewish Ziopaths?

of course, they likely would have just denied the former if the cat wasnt extracted from the bag.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/spy-who-exposed-israel-s-support-al...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 15:15 | 6127296 tony wilson and...
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i find it hards to believe paul mcarthy of the pop band wings and theyer yer yer beetles would right a great song like freedum for harvey weinstein,if he was aware the ariel sharon and the knesset of israel sanctified the 9 and 11 kabballa ritual.

i just do not think faul let it bleed would do that thing already

Eric Clapton Thinks Paul McCartney Is A F*CKING IDIOT!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63e8WRjiPyc

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 15:02 | 6127304 steveo77
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Totally gratuitous Memorial Day Fun POST

These are my dogs, taken yesterday.

The top picture is the "Top Dog" he is the super Alpha, even when getting together with other shepherd owners and their dogs, or at training events, he is instantly noticed by all other dogs as being the Alpha.

What would the average "bad guy" think when faced with this? We call him Banchan (cute guard dog)

http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/05/my-sheep-dogs.html

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 15:06 | 6127315 petkovplamen
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I'd be impressed if this news is talked about in detail on FAUX NEWSs, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc. As of now, the American sheeple still think ISIS is "out to get them"  because of their freedoms.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 15:17 | 6127350 Troy Ounce
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And every day you hear on American TV:

 

"How the hell could 9-11 have happened?"

 

They still do not understand.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:05 | 6127601 cart00ner
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I still want to know what happened to the $2.3 trillion they announced "missing" from the fed the day before 9/11, or does that not matter anymore?

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:49 | 6127696 Nimby
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Right, because they came clean the day before 9/11 so they could say they told the truth right before it was forgotten about forever (except by you, of course).
Or did they just accidently let it slip and slapped 9/11 together that night to cover it up? 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 18:48 | 6127849 Nimby
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Right, because they came clean the day before 9/11 so they could say they told the truth right before it was forgotten about forever (except by you, of course).
Or did they just accidently let it slip and slapped 9/11 together that night to cover it up? 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 19:56 | 6127993 Ban KKiller
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Cruise missle helped the memory vanish...

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 01:54 | 6128651 Counterpunch
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But it is not actually clear they "lost" money.  Rummy said, speaking about updating accounting software, that they 'could not account' for something like 2.3 trillion.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Missing_Trillions

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-the-pentagon-cannot-track-2-3-trillion...

I think this aspect of the 'alternative narrative' which is much more correct than the official government version, is basically untrue.  

 

Junk away.

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 15:30 | 6127381 Counterpunch
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From NYC, Ferguson To Baltimore, American Police Are Trained In Apartheid Israel

http://www.mintpressnews.com/from-nyc-ferguson-to-baltimore-american-pol...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 16:16 | 6127466 sgt_doom
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She explained that MI6’s Libya operation in 1996, which resulted in the deaths of innocent people, ...

And who were some of those innocent people?  Actually, several were German intelligence agents who had been investigation Osama bin Laden's gun running in North Africa.  An excellent book by several French journalists exposes this, published in the late 1990s (don't know if there was an English version or not??) and in it --- long before the Bush crime family's invasion of Iraq --- it mentions one of OBL's top lieutenants named Chalabi, the brother of another dood named Chalabi who figured into that Iraqi invasion --- it is a small world after all, huh????

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 16:28 | 6127497 Counterpunch
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How Israel wants to restart the war in the Levant

Far from admitting defeat, Benjamin Netanyahu is planning to sabotage the agreement between Washington and Teheran which is to be signed the 30th June 2015. In order to do so, he could restart the war in Syria. His idea is to continue the work already accomplished by the Islamic Emirate in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen, by applying the Wright plan and creating an independent pseudo-Kurdistan straddling Iraq and Syria.

The Wright plan, published in September 2013, modifies the projects for the remodelling of an enlarged Middle East. As concerns Syria and Iraq, it plans for the creation of a ’Sunnistan’ and a ’Kurdistan’. The former state was created in 2014 by the Isalmic Emirate (Daesh), while the latter still has to be realised. However, the Kurds are in the minority in Northern Syria. The Wright plan also mentions Libya, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. It seems to be in progress in the two former states, also thanks to the Islamic Emirate.

continues...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article187601.html

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:16 | 6127621 DutchBoy2015
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Iran should pull out of the talks and sign NOTHING.  America is NEVER to be trusted. EVER.

 

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 03:51 | 6128737 The Wedge
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That's right dutchess, you tell those americunts, joo lover, kike roach sheeple. You tell'em whats in your heart.

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 04:08 | 6128746 Counterpunch
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aw he's just here to poison the well.  or is 15 years old.

 

you, though... sort of fellow who junks without reading or considering when it comes to holy Zion, which can do no wrong, right>?

Kinda makes you a cunt, does it not?

 

I'm asking.

 

I'm genuinely interested in your feelings. 

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 05:27 | 6128797 The Wedge
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 I get a good laugh out of the dutchess's patent pending line "americunt" and assorted mindless hate. But you though, shouldn't put question marks at the end of statements. Own what you say. As an atheist, holy zion doesn't mean shit to me. You looking for me to defend Israel/Jews or join you in the Jewish cabal conspiracy? Has to be one or the other, can't be anything else. So I can either believe that the sky wizard promised Jews and Jews only that they were the chosen people and get this special plot of land or that Jews control the world in a giant conspiracy. I don't do polarized fanatical zealotry.

Which of my feelings are you interested in? How I feel about my mother? Are we going to have a session? It's free right?

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 01:49 | 6127538 Counterpunch
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"... purpose behind the Saudi Arabia-funded Islamic State was a simple one: use the Jihadists as the vehicle of choice to achieve a political goal: depose of Syria's president Assad, who for years has stood in the way of a critical Qatari natural gas pipeline..." The problem with this claim, repeated over and over and over here, is that this pipeline if it were even built would be too long to protect, and more importantly would compete with Israel's Leviathan gas find.

 

Most of which, of course, is Syria, Lebanon and Palestine's. http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-an... http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/159738/israels-new-front You'd have to be a fucking idiot to think the US is doing its best to fracture Iraq and Syria in line with long standing Israeli goals http://www.voltairenet.org/article187601.html

 

In order to run through gas pipelines from an Arab state that would DIRECTLY COMPETE WITH ISRAEL'S SALES. This is so obvious I have to wonder if the Qatari pipeline thesis advocates are even aware of Leviathan, or longstanding Zio plans to take Lebanon to the Litani, and balkanize its neighbors.

 

"“The Unfolding of Yinon’s ‘Zionist Plan for the Middle East’: The Crisis in Iraq and the Centrality of the National Interest of Israel,” illustrates how the ethno-sectarian fragmentation and internecine warfare between Shiites and Sunnis is in line with the Yinon plan to enhance Israel’s security and was ignited by the neocon-inspired US invasion of Iraq in 2003. Netanyahu and the neocons currently view Iran as a greater threat in the Middle East than ISIS, and while they advocate US military intervention, they emphasize that such intervention should not empower Iran, notes Stephen Sniegoski." - http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/07/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-plan-fo...

There is no way the US puppet government, the ZOG is doing what Zionist warmongering cunts have written about wanting to do since the early 80s, if not earlier, while Israeli is actively assisting Al Qaeda in Syria, so that Qatar can sell gas to Europe and lessen the value of Israel's eastern med gas fields, which they will expand by reinvading Lebanon, and simply stealing what would be Gaza and Lebanese and Syrian gas - and of course you will be a filthy anti-semite if you note that this is precisely what they are doing. Its the fucking Likudnik/Shas Zionazis most of all, and *obviously* so.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:17 | 6127616 tony wilson and...
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london 7 and 7
new york 9 and 11
iraqi towns all around
saturn key
is
standown police and military

how can some bozo from northern england
some clowns with box cutters

a few hundred jewish actors with beards take over towns
simple
stand down
in iraqs case you pay the local general in charge 20 thousand dollars to pull his men out.
why fight
even if your enemy are actors when you get cash money to stand down.

how did general betrayus get the mahdi army to stop killin his american heroes he paid Moqtada al-Sadr cash monies by the afghan heroin dollar million
paid for stand down

yes sir
localise the payments for stand down in syria and iraq let the kosher nostra create the news fear porn.
kaos planned scripted

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:14 | 6127618 DutchBoy2015
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Just watched video of cops pepper spraying someone suffering from a stroke in Cleveland today.

WTF is going on in the USA?   its Crazy and EVIL

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 18:09 | 6127747 Crocodile
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Hey Dutch...you know your are not getting much ZH love when you get 4 thumbs down.  You could have provided the link.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/cleveland-riots-protesters-peppe...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:19 | 6127628 DutchBoy2015
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If Iran said they would use their fighter jets to wipe out ISIS, the USA would have a fit.

You see, America is actually the terrorist nation along with Israel.

 

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:22 | 6127633 El Hosel
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 "Tool"

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 17:23 | 6127637 DutchBoy2015
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Retard

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 18:23 | 6127767 earleflorida
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"New Documents shows Bush Adm. planned War well before 9/11/2001"

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan

from the same site: link below...

"The Iraq War -- PartI : The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001"

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/index.htm

and this POS from 'HuffPost'-- "Richard Perle really doesn't care what Jeb Bush thinks of the Iraq vote today"  5/15/15    (*jmo 'consider the site- AND- laugh if you must at a `perle'ly white Jebadyeya')       http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/richard-perle/  

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 18:15 | 6127774 foghorn leghorn
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ISIS Jihadi Bride Estimates Michelle Obama’s Worth as ‘Slave Girl’ at $40

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/23/isis-jihadi-bride-...

I wonder if Obama will do anything to defend his wife if it ever to came to that.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 19:46 | 6127975 One Eyed Jack
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That's a kings ransom... I wouldn't give her a glass of my urine to slake her thirst.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 19:26 | 6127931 deimos178
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That has to be the first thing Barry created that worked better than he expected and may last longer than he hoped.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 19:27 | 6127932 deimos178
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honest I didn't mean to double post, I was mesmerized by the president's brilliance.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 19:45 | 6127959 One Eyed Jack
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ISIS is the proxy army of the U.S. Which was created in order to wage an unconstitutional and illegal war to dipose the Assad regime after overwhelming US public outcry against another war in the Middle East despite lies regarding the use of chemical weapons.

The attack into Iraq I believe was an oppurtunity to serve many, but two main purposes:
1. Revenge against a disloyal Vasal state (Iraq) who sought assistance from Russia and attempted to align with Iran.

2. Strategic weapons resupply that wouldn't raise suspicions off budget and already in the theatre.

The U.S. "conducts an air campaign" to destroy ISIS and "accidentally" destroys key Syrian government infrastructure, troop fortifications and C2 nodes and re supply's ISIS fighters with weapons and equipment.

Now recently ISIS has made huge gains in Syria since the U.S. Has been conducting an air campaign against ISIS and the Syrian government is near defeat. Qui Bono?

Apparently this is also why the U.S. is not concerned with border security. Perhaps the U.S. regime should consider a less bellicose form of international policy rather than acting like scorned children who don't get what they what they want and then acting out violently.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 19:57 | 6127994 GreatUncle
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Does anybody beleive if ISIS form a caliphate state this is going to end?

Nope!

Just like the USA wanting to exert ever more control around the globe once a caliphate state is formed the same philosophy of control will begin.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 20:26 | 6128042 fremannx
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As social mood wanes around the world, the impetus toward more and more conflict around the world grows. It should be no surprise that ISIS and other coalitions contrived by the super powers of the world escape the control of their once masters. It is little understood by the mainstream media, politicians, economists, and businessmen, much less the ordinary citizenry of the worlld, that social mood causes social action, not the other way around.

 

http://www.globaldeflationnews.com/negative-social-mood-causes-geopoliti...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 20:58 | 6128140 honestann
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No matter how many documents people discover, that's just the tip of the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 22:55 | 6128389 falconflight
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Tyler Durden musta just had a coversion.  He's a filthy ZioPuppet Kosher toilet licker.  Why isn't he reporting that the IDF dropped a nuclear neutron bomb onto Yeman for the Saudis?!

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/21/358343/

 

FU Mr. Durdenstein

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 04:10 | 6128747 Counterpunch
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