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Chinese State Paper Warns "War Will Be Inevitable" Unless U.S. Stops Meddling In Territorial Dispute
Whereas over the past year, ever since the outbreak of the hostilities over the fate of Ukraine following the Victoria Nuland orchestrated presidential coup, relations between Russia and NATO have devolved to a Cold War 2.0 state as manifested by countless interceptions of Russian warplanes by NATO jets and vice versa as depicted in the following infographic...
... at least China was mercifully allowed to stay out of the fray between the Cold War enemies.
This all changed this month when first the Pentagon's annual report to Congress this month cast China as a threat to regional and international peace and stability, followed several weeks ago when, with China aggressively encroaching into territories in the South China Sea claimed by US allies in the region such as Philippines, Vietnam and Japan, the US decided to get involved in yet another regional spat that does not directly involve it, and started making loud noises about China's territorial expansion over the commodity-reach area.
China promptly relatiated by threatening a US spy plane during a routine overflight, while immediately thereafter the US retaliated at China's escalation, and warned that building sea "sandcastles" could "lead to conflict."
Far from shutting China up, earlier today China said it had lodged a complaint with the United States over a U.S. spy plane that flew over parts of the disputed South China Sea in a diplomatic row that has fuelled tension between the world's two largest economies.
Quoted by Reuters, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Monday China had lodged a complaint and that it opposed "provocative behaviour" by the United States.
"We urge the U.S. to correct its error, remain rational and stop all irresponsible words and deeds," she said. "Freedom of navigation and overflight by no means mean that foreign countries' warships and military aircraft can ignore the legitimate rights of other countries as well as the safety of aviation and navigation."
China had noted “ear-piercing voices” from many in the U.S. about China’s construction on the islands and reefs.
In other words, China just imposed an effective "no fly zone" for US spy planes, a dramatic shift from its recent posture when it tolerated and turned a blind eye to US spy plane overflights. Going forward, the US has been explicitly warned not to fly over China or risk the consequences.
This handout photo taken on March 16, 2015 by satellite imagery provider Digital Globe shows a satellite image of vessels purportedly dredging sand at Mischief Reef in the Spratly Islands in the disputed South China Sea
And just to confirm that if the US had hoped it could threaten Beijing into submission and force the Politburo into curbing its expanionist appetit, it was dead wrong, the nationalist Global Times, a paper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper, the People’s Daily, said in a Monday editorial that war was “inevitable” between China and the United States unless Washington stopped demanding Beijing halt the building of artificial islands in the disputed waterway.
PressTV has more details:
A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
“If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.
“We do not want a military conflict with the United States, but if it were to come, we have to accept it,” said The Global Times, which is among China’s most nationalist newspapers.
Beijing last week said it was “strongly dissatisfied” after a US spy plane defied multiple warnings by the Chinese navy and flew over the Fiery Cross Reef, where China is reportedly building an airfield and other installations.
“The intensity of the conflict will be higher than what people usually think of as ‘friction’,” it warned.
The paper also asserted that China was determined to finish its construction work in the South China Sea, calling it Beijing’s “most important bottom line.”
Such commentaries are not official policy statements, but are sometimes read as a reflection of government thinking.
More importantly, they serve as populism-timestamped warnings that US demands for a Chinese retreat over what the world's most populous nation considers' its own national interest, will backfire dramatically and the next time a US spy plane flies over the Spratly Islands, or Beijing's smog for that matter, a very serious diplomatic incident may ensue.
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"A lot of people" what are you a ray cist?
They're gonna be a lot more fun to play with in the South China Sea than Putin ever could be in the Ukraine!!
One word: Grenada
You seriously consider Grenada a real war? Chinese military may not be as high tech as the US, but they do have a military in quantity. Only within last decade China has been technologically improving their military. They don't have imported war toys like Iraq, or any other country. They manufacture their own war toys, copy, or not. Plus no way US can occupy China. Too big of a country, way too many Chinese. US can win the naval wars, it's the only real naval super power left, but land warfare, not as easy task.
Winning naval wars are so 18th century, when the 'enemy' has hypersonic anti-ship missiles:
'Hypersonic missiles could challenge U.S. naval supremacy'"China is developing its own hypersonic anti-ship missile, the Dong Feng 21D. This isn’t a cruise missile but rather a ballistic missile launched toward space and arcing back to Earth. The DF-21D is capable of hurtling down at speeds of about Mach 10 and covering a range of 1,500 km.
Dubbed the “carrier killer,” it is believed this new weapon will be used against American aircraft carriers to destroy US naval supremacy in the western Pacific. It could also block America from operating in the Sea of Japan and from coming to the defense of Taiwan."
http://www.japantoday.com/category/opinions/view/hypersonic-missiles-cou...
Not to mention the SCO security agreements. Maybe the US can get Mexico and Canada to fight China and Russia. No one else will.
Bearing this in mind - http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20130123000112&cid=1101
Seems the Chinese are making the "intended purpose" of the DF-21D very clear indeed. Add in their new Antishipping cruise missile capability (supersonic YJ-12, subsonic YJ-100), and US Carrier-based battlegroups might not be as "invincible" as may have once been the case. Chinese capability has progressed a great deal since they started out on their force reconstruction programme, and it is very relevant to note that the rate (and extent) of capability improvement is very high indeed, especially with "help" from Russia.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-real-military-threat-china-anti-ship-cruise-missiles-12085?page=2
How much staging did the US do for the Iraq war? China will most likely consider some sort of action if the US goes beyond stationing B-1s in Northern Australia.
www.manilalivewire.com/2015/05/us-b-1-strategic-bombers-to-station-in-au...
China should send some nuke equipped ships off the east coast of Australia to see how they like it.
No doubt the Russians, Chinese have nuclear subs ready to strike any military facilities the US is using in Australia same with the US having the same trained on military facilities elsewhere in the world. Those B-1s won't make it off the runway most likely if things escalate.
"Severe maintenance problems are grounding much of the nation's B-1 bomber fleet and could cost the government more than $1.1 billion to correct, the General Accounting Office said in a report released Sunday.
Problems ranging from malfunctioning computer equipment to faulty tires have turned many of the long-range bombers into "hangar queens" that cannot be put on military alert or used in critical training flights, the congressional investigative agency said."
http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-24/news/mn-57_1_maintenance-problems
There are a hell of a lot of B1-B's sitting in the Arizona desert, slowly rotting away:
'Where America's Airplanes Go To Die'http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-21/where-americas-airplanes-go-die
I count at least 6, at a cost of $1.7 billion. Could fix a lot of bridges.
With the US "Corporate Ethic" being profit only, this may be of interest - http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-dismisses-u-s-concern-over-fake-chinese-military-parts-1.1157278
Wonder how many $$$s of the annual MIC budget are "recycled" via lobbying / back-handers / "bought" Political representation.
Never forget the "convenient" demolition of WTC-7, and the end of that enquiry into the missing Pentagon $2.3 trillion . . . http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html
With regards to the alleged counterfeit parts for military equipment -- it's ironic how the reliance on offshore manufacturing from China has come full circle to bite them in the ass.
The US has no interest in occupying China. I fully believe the US would simply try to destroy China's ability to manufacture weapons (and anything else) and call that a win. That is really all the US needs to do to win a war with China. Once there are no exports China implodes on itself anyway.
So how does China win? Defend itself of course, but how does it win? They can't invade the US of course. They don't want to be the first one to fire a nuke, that turns the whole world against them. Could they chew up enough American military assets to make a significant impact and weaken America's position? Maybe, but it's hard to tell.
That's what the pentagon will be trying to figure out.
You are naive at best and easily can be called...stupid!
Nuclear weapons from the best supplier in the world to China > RUSSIA < THEIR PARTNER < will insure maximum effect on the north american continent canada included - FROM BOTH!!!!!
the largest reserves of undeveloped acreage in the world for resources is Russia worth $100 Trillion - the largest land mass in the world of any country connects to CHINA - with the largest population - who can committ 100 million in a heart beat to war with the USA
Americans have 1% of the population in the military with their support of the military extending to baseball games intro - NOTHING ELSE - they are not committing their kids - the 1% at the bottom defends the assets of the 1% at the top
General Smedley Butler - "WAR IS A RACKET" - read it and weep - it was 80 years ago nothing has changed
you have no idea what people think internationally of the USA - it is despised universally except for the people on the tit - they will walk on the sanctions in June and will do the same in ANY pinch for any war
dont be so brave with other peoples children - committ your OWN!
That's a very nice rant, but it got a little over the top at times. You also assume far too much, such as I'm committing anyone to war. I don't have a say in who goes to war, if they go to war, where they go, etc.
Undeveloped resources are useless, you know why? Because they're un-fucking-developed... That's a lot like undeveloped ammo, potential weapons systems, or unrealized profits. Useless.
Nuclear weapons mean shit. I don't know if you noticed but America has nuclear weapons as well. Between the US, Russia, and China we could destroy the world several times over. Make it uninhabitable for everyone. Whomever fires the first salvo of nuclear tipped weapons dooms themselves, as the world will roll over them. That's a zero sum game, with no winners, and even the Chinese must know this.
Lastly, every war you've brought up was a ground war. I'm suggesting the US will have very little interest in marching into China. They have no need to invade China, but to simply keep it's navy and air force in check, whilst bombing away China's manufacturing capabilities. These two areas are where the US excels (whether we like it or not) and where tech matters a lot.
China has nothing to keep the US navy at bay. Sunburst missiles won't do it, Chinese planes won't do it, sandcastles in the sea won't do it. The US navy and air force can walk around fairly unimpeded for now. The only hope China would have is to exact a cost the US population considers too high, pushing US public opinion in the direction of a swift exit. Launch one nuke at the US mainland and see how much the US supports it's military, a story the Germans and Japanese bought into as well. Hell, 9/11 was enough to convince the American public to invade 2 fucking countries. Military support rockets, kids dropping out of high school and college to go fight.
Please understand though, I'm not in anyway supporting a war. This is bad for everyone everywhere. I'm just giving my assessment of the situation as I see it currently.
Why won't the Sunburns work against US navy?
How close do you think the Navy needs to be in order to blockade China? At best, Sunburns range is 129 kilometers. US navy can strike out much much farther than that. The Harpoon has a range of some 300km as well as Navy aircraft which have an even longer range. This can work out only because the US doesn't need to storm the beaches of China, but instead sink it's navy and set up a blockage, while working on the not so state of the art airforce China currently fields.
With all the islands around the South China Sea filled with (at least currently) US allies, they will have a lot of places to launch planes and missiles from that the Chinese navy will not be able to do much about. The US radar system is 2nd to none, and can see over the nap of the Earth. China is going to need a LOT more subs to counter that threat.
Then there is this crazy ass railgun being deployed with a range of over 200 miles and hits mach 6... And a fucking laser gun, but I'll believe that shit when I see it in the field, working.
Ignorance is bliss my friend . You still have to learn a lot .
Thanks for posting more evidence of your invalid brain.
I sure hope China doesn't yet know there are so many brain dead uneducated morons like you in the US. Or they would be interested in sending their navy to American shores in 10-20 years.
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China wins by decimating one or more US aircraft carrier battle groups. That is all it will take.
This is why the US will only launch direct attacks against the national equivalents of 98-pound (45Kg) weaklings. Bullies go after the weak in order to maintain a reputation, because they are afraid of those who are not weak. A playground bully will rule the playground only until he suffers the humiliation of getting his nose bloodied in front of all the other kids. It doesn't require a total ass kicking; a bloody nose is enough to shatter the invincible tough-guy illusion and, as most bullies are also big pussies, send him running home crying to his mama.
As a former superpower, it is essential for the US government to maintain, both at home and abroad, the illusion of military superiority, of being able to project power invincibly, at any time and to any location. The US aircraft carrier battle groups are the only things propping up this illusion. They can strut and preen in their "shows of force" in international waters, but they will never be used directly against any opponent if there is even the slightest chance that the opponent can hit back. The risk to reputation is simply too great.
The repercussions, both international and domestic, of losing a carrier or two (along with a large complement of support ships) would be far reaching and severe, and would entail many unforseen consequences. This is what the pentagon has already figured out.
You've got a valid ID. Your brain is invalid. Hence you are an invalid.
The ID of an invalid (InvalidID) is still valid, but you don't have the slightest qualification to speak on behalf of TPTB.
Please stop flattering yourself.
Huh? Is this clever in your country?
And who's speaking on behalf of anyone here? WTF are you on about?
look into korean War - 1952 - MacArthur was a proven warrior with serious credentials from WWII & WWI - knew the Pacific and the Orientals - he organized false flag with Sigmund Rhea in South Korea - and started Korean War
end game: he went to Manchurian border with thousands of American troops, Air support, Bombs of every description, Armour, etc etc - saw 500,000 Chinese at the Border - the Chinese at the time had squat for support and weapons - a total joke compared to the USA - They chased the Americans all the way back to the 38th parallel where they are........ TODAY.
So MacArthur - plus tech, superb equipment and logistics plus air support with none for the Chinese worth equivalent and the USA went home with nothing to show for it
Dead Americans!!!!!!! everywhere - they then went on to Vietnam and did it AGAIN - another 58,000 dead americans
there is no solution other than a united world against the DC mob!
US lost Vietnam war also because of China. China warned US not to cross 17th parallel, otherwise China would send in troops like in Korean war. US listened and obeyed. Then China then sent in ~600,000 person/trip of transportation and air defense troops dressed in VietCom uniform in the 10 year period to shoot down US plans and send all kinds of supply to Vietname Loas and Combodia. This allowed VietCom to last to the end. US was set to lose from the beginning.
MacArthur was an evil douchebag and incompetent. An NWO stooge who cut his teeth on attacking The Bonus Army in DC.
Eisenhower and Patton were there, too.
Now, our vets get the VA.
Fucked no matter how you look at it.
22 military suicides a day? Fucking madness. What military/government can survive that?
Chinese tactics in Korea was to overwhelm the Western troops with wave after wave of Chinese cannon fodder. First Chinese men went in with weapons, the rest that came after them did not have weapons but had to pick up the ones their fallen comrades had lost. It is asymmetric warfare.
MacArthur then planned the Battle of Inchon, an amphibious assault 100 km behind North Korean lines pushing them back to the 38th parallel. He turned the war around. He wanted to use nuclear weapons though. That eventually led to him being called back.
Knew a tank gunner there. They fled when their barrels melted.
Absolute nightmare.
You must be kidding or you got the events all backward. Inchon landing happened in September 1950 and Chinese entered the war in December 1950. When Chinese entered the war, US was at the China- North Korea border, 200 miles north of 38 Parallel. Korean army was wiped out already. Chinese weapon at the first stage was Japanese weaponry and later were mostly Russian weapon. Take a look at the documentary named Korea - forgotten war.
1952 not implied to be the beginning - bottom line the US lost with superior technolgy and Iron - the chinese won - why ? they believed in what they were doing not so much the US troops - same thread carries to VN / Iraq / Afgan
US Military has NO serious support with american citizens beyond a ball game show time - they will not fight as economic mercenaries
look up General Smedley Butler
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syngman_Rhee
I recall ROK having corruption problems with their elected officials, etc.; but with this guy kicking off their Govt, I'm not surprised.
We have 13 year olds who can shoot the eye out of a crow at 200 yards, this is gun Country, and many are packing. Fact is there are Hoods out there where kids could out shoot a Chinese soldier I'm sure of it.
It's not the Chinese those kids have to be worried about.
Agreed .
The US has no interest in occupying China. The buzzword of the 21st century is "regime change." What Washington doesn't realize is that what goes around, comes around.
IMHO, the USA may have to resort to unloading Boatloads of Ordnance 'round the clock to make any Land Incursions into CHN even "thinkable".
Unless JPN is attacked, their Peaceniks proably won't approve their Land to be used as a staging ground for an Invasion of the Mainland. JPN/CHN Trade Volumes are much larger than JPN/USA's - people for some reason tend to overlook and/or are in denial of that crucial factor driving JPN's Economic/Foreign Policies.
The Pacific is too far and wide for the USA to stage a Major Invasion from Proxy Staging Grounds against CHN.
The USA (along with cronies AUS and GBR) might be able to contain CHN's Fleet to some extend; but CHN can easily survive through their "Land Bridges" to RUS and IND...
Japan is too radioactive to stage squat. Ask the USS Reagan sailors. Ask the military personnel that were there when the reactors blew, what they're going through with their health.
The trains in Tokyo don't run on time anymore, because people are just dropping, and they have to be removed at the next station.
According to US nuclear exposure standards, Tokyo should be scraped 10 ft. down, and the rubble buried at a nuclear waste landfill. Instead, 40 million people still live there.
Madness.
I'm a bit ambivalent for the Reagan Crew.
They knew there was a Nuke Casualty. They should have gone into NBC (Nuke, Bio, Chem Weaps) Mode immediately.
They would have saved less lives, maybe; but they would have minimized the Nuke Contamination Cases.
Indeed! Grenada was considered the low point of the US military in decay after the Vietnam disaster. Grenada was SO BAD, that the US military began a rapid rebuild of everything. Training was amped way up and a totally new mind set was introduced. Those who could not cut it, were shit canned out of the service. Grenada makes great historical reading, because the US Army behaved so terribly in combat, it reads like comedy. The US Leadership vowed NEVER EVER to allow US combat units to decay to the point they peformed like in the Grenada war.
A freind had sailed from South America and was in Grenada on his boat when the action took place. He didn't know that anyting happened in Grenada.
I never questioned him about it but I have no doubt was as he saw it.
I thought Gunny Highway performed admirably in Grenada.
In WWII we held the moral high ground. That is no longer the case. We are plundering countries via a military run by wealthy bankers. The US taxpayer foots the bill. How hard would you fight, knowing what purpose you are really fighting for?
Exactly! +100
"In WWII we held the moral high ground"
BULLSHIT!!!!
The Russians held the high ground - the americans were johnny come lately - the Russians faced 51 DIVISIONS OF CRACK GERMAN TROOPS - the US faced less than 5 German divisions at any time - WHO WERE DEMORALIZED by that time
do some homework the wall street gang - Bush / Harriman / Ford / Rockefeller et al - supplied the Germans early on plus the patents to IG Farben for the lead additives without which the planes wouldnt fly AND supplied ....... the Russians - tyhey wanted the solution to the Depression
everyone knew the Jews were getting gased - FDR did nothing- morals..please
stop the morality play and do some homework!!!!
oh yeah... that's some real fucking high ground there... if you call drowning in a teaspoon "high ground"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
No Jews were gassed...Robert Faurisson. Einsatzgruppen murders, yes; extermination camps, no.
We can still kick the crap out of Grenada and Panama. China had better take note of that.
I'll believe the CCP worries more about the US than its own people when it starts to spend more on the PLA than it does on the PAP...
yeah, I bet you pro China dumbasses didn't realize that the CCP spends more money on police than it does on national defense... keep on downvoting, haters... the truth hurts doesn't it...
Possibly because a well-armed and well-equipped police force makes a very credible "second rank" fighting machine?
Seems the Chinese are not just copying US Electronics technology, and maybe your omparison might have more meaning if we consider the "value per Dollar equivalent" the Chinese Mil. spending gains - ALL their equipment is cheaper, but of similar efficacy, to the US's more costly "Pork-Barrel" model of Mil. spending.
I see, so when the Chinese do it... you know, the ChiComs, whose sole purpose in life is maintaining power and enforcing strict order and obedience... when they do it, it makes sense because it's a 'very credible "second rank" fighting machine' and totally justified in the name of preserving the integrity of the Great Middle Kingdom... but when the US does it, it's OMG The End Of Freedom Fucking Fascists Hurr Durr...
does it hurt your jaw to talk out of both sides of your mouth like that when you _Parrot_ the party line, comrade?
Hardly "The Party Line", Mate.
I work with Chinese Physicians (who all come from "connected" families), I know how they think. Simple as that.
Their systems are fully integrated (Military, Reserves, POLICE use the same equipment), so supply is simple, and maintaining munitions stockpiles is highly cost-effective).
Military, Reserves, "Other Military" - Police.
Seems your US is copying the Chinese on this one too . . . . . .
I bet you, pro-stupid PostTurtle don't realize the US has the largest prison population in the world. on a per capita basis its way out of wack. What does having the having the world's largest prison population say about the difficulties already faced by the PTB in keeping the lid on their disUnited States of Amerika?
maybe if we also had the largest per-capita or otherwise number of mobile execution units, I'd concern myself... but we don't, and the Chinese do, so I don't...
Dude, they're not haters. They're paid chink commie stooges stinking up the comment section. Google "wu mao." Welcome to information Warfare 101.
Keep posting away and ignore these downvote commie faggots.
We always called em 50 centers...
Or maybe they are people who have had enough of being told to "Think the American Way" - i.e. USA, USA, USA.
Maybe they have been on the "receiving end" of US hubris / "picking the winners" to suit the US only.
And why does the US meddle, would it have anything to do with Israel and it's dual citizens running our government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJipyk1ZFw
that last real war was largely won by Russia and lost by Hitler. In spite of history.
Sabre-rattling. The Laobaishin must be getting a little restless ...
Is that Chinese for 'dumb goyim'?
Feng gwai lo I get.
Laobaishin?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning
Light inter national target practice.
If war does happen, Walmart will have to close half its stores and old T.V.'s will be hot items at the thrift stores.
Pretty sure the U.S. would have a hard time manufacturing circuit boards and Toasters, much less transformers.
We already lost to China by selling out our productive capacity and selling them our debt.
Tyrone, Shaneequa, Maria, Jose, Jenny, and John are gonna have to get off their asses and do some work.
no more handouts.
300 million fucking leeches all sucking blood from the top to the bottom. Surprised this bitch hasn't died yet. There's a lesson to be learned about the human capacity for apathy, indifference, and selfishness, and egotism.
Next time 'round won't be much better. I suppose that's the gist of the evolution of human systems. We're just another layer on the substrate in the grand scheme of things. I just wonder if the general level of human stupidity can be pulled up far enough to allow us to get off this fucking rock at some point before we bite the dust as a species.
I doubt it.
Get of this rock, we have 3 bases on Mars with about 100,000 people up thier and yes it has an atmosphere.
The aliens would never allow us to spread. Never.
Yeah! Martian bacteria! Payback is a bitch!
Got That Right.
The Zi'Borg pestilence will not be allowed to spread.
All China has to do in order to start a real war is to shut down production of Apple iPhones in China.....
That's why DC and Wall St want the TPP, to ramp up the Supply Chain in Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam.
They can try which is a good step for their self interest.
However, China is also a big consumer of everything (coal, oil, gold, luxury goods, cars, computers, even iPhones etc). TPP cannot disrupt much but surely they can try.
Hiring 10,000 engineers in a day for Foxconn is a piece of cake, not so much in Vietnam or Indonesia or Malaysia, but surely they can try. Over 1.2 trillion dollar worth of FDI has opened factories all across China, just in the last decade it is not easy to relocate in a few years. In the next 10 years, all dynamics would have changed anyways.
China has real earth minierals as well as land, labour and cheapest wages possible with best ports and low taxes. Not many will jump ship easily.
...but "we" have Hillary!
This would solve WMT unionization and plumbing problems.
So you are saying "we" should start a war with China immediately rather than waiting on the inevitable?
I don't think that will go over good with the, "not in my lifetime" crowd.
Hard to naval blockade the Silk road.
Which is the whole point.
Silk Road already blocked when ISIS took over Palmyra: http://www.voltairenet.org/article187700.html
Who says China needs to do business with Europe anyway? Maybe all they care about is Iran and everything east.
I don't think Europe is at the top of the list for trading partners, as long as they allow the US to continually fuck things up for all of them.
The spoiled brat that doesn't get invited to neighborhood parties anymore, and to hell with his friends, too.
The window for invitations is closing.
It seems like with the West, there is no profit in peace. With the East, all the profits are in peace. Maybe this is what it is all about.
East, profit in peace? Man, I bet the Tibetans are stoked to hear that. Mongolians and Indians too.
Aside from that insane stupidity, maybe China doesn't want Europe as a trading partner? You mean it's largest customer means nothing? If there was no west there would be no China.
Wanting a trading partner, and doing business with someone that has nothing to offer, such as the dissolution of the EU into warring economic failure states, is another. Or lackeys of the US/London.
China has the long view. Europe has to earn their way into the New Silk Road. Russia is turning away. Once the EU loses their 'cheaper' energy, then what? Hospitals with no sheets or meds? Great partner there. China doesn't want to do business with countries that have nothing to offer, other than failed economies. Europe wouldn't qualify for AIIB loans, no significant collateral.
China and Russia are learning to leave the West alone - whatever the cost to their bottom line.
I ran my own business for years. Every year I would pick out the worst people to deal with, and just cut them off. Let my competitors deal with their shit. Did I lose money? Yes. But the time I gained allowed me to pick up new customers elsewhere, and in the end it was a much better deal, and I ended up far more successful. The Russians and Chinese are running their 'businesses' the same way. The US is a complete clusterfuck, and the EU are about to lose the ability to pay their bills. The Chinese don't need Q1+Q2 profits, they want multi-decade profits, and act accordingly.
People keep up with the long game meme... I'm sorry but I fail to see China coming out ahead in the long game. They're unable to make the transition to consumer economy, and without the west they lose over 60% of their income. Russia is a shit hole, China is a shit hole. Having seen both I can tell you, as fucked up as the west is, I'd never want to live in the east.
I'm looking at Ireland or Brazil to be honest.
Brazil. You want to get as far away from Fukushima/whatever blows next as possible. Europe gets the US jetstream, which the US gets from Japan.
Good luck. And don't wait until the airports get closed.
As I posted above, by crippling China's ability to finance it there wont be a Silk Road.
there you go again... hell, the fucking Tylers posted on the maritime component regarding this very topic and you still keep treating it like it's on land, so it's untouchable...
I give up, you'll never get it... hopefully, the Chinese won't either, because they're playing right into western hands with that strategy...
Theres a thing called an atlas, you might wan't to look at.
Sure Africa and S.America are fucked,so whats new.
The S.China Sea will become a no go zone for the US,defensive weaponry has far outstripped
offensive over the last two decades.
The S.China Sea will become a no go zone for the US,defensive weaponry has far outstripped
offensive over the last two decades. <- IS a joke right?
WC the first rule of when you find yourself in a hole is, stop digging...
telling me to look at a goddamned atlas refutes none of the point I made, and none of the point that the recent article that the Tylers themselves posted made regarding the importance of the maritime Silk Road...
I'm going to let you in on a little secret... being landlocked doesn't make you invincible from the reach of the US Navy... if you think it does, you're sadly mistaken...
Well, you better hope that the "Us Navy" doesn't bump into any 40-year-old French subs then . . . . . http://www.news.com.au/world/us-supercarrier-sunk-by-french-submarine-in-wargames/story-fndir2ev-1227250666936
"Oops" . . . . . .
war isn't a game, and boards don't hit back... no present day military has the real world combat experience that the US does at the moment... everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth
> Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
You've just described the current US situation. Mainland America has zero recollection of any domestic "punch in the mouth" - tha last real conflict on US soil being the US Civil War.
Can you even start to realise the psychological AND societal effect of a SINGLE modern nuclear detonation over a "typical" US City??
Do you really expect the Country responsible for such delights as "People of Walmart" to become an integrated, single-minded fighting force overnight??
It won't be USA, USA, USA punching China / Russia in the mouth; it'll be China / Russia / everyone else wth a grievance (justified or not) giving the USA a beating it'll never, ever forget.
Ah! You are correct mr turtle dick . Us navy whatever fleet can be destroyed by China if they were threaten . Be real propaganda lover . US is no leading exceptionally where others cant manage to compete . Just because no one attacked your ships yet doesnt mean they are invincible . Stop being a cunt .
And good luck with keeping Silicon Valley going w/o those Rare Earth minerals from China and Mongolia, or Strategic Metals (eg. Titanium ) from Russia.
You might want to at least finally achieve that mythical energy independence first. No VLCCs will be able to make it to US refineries if the psychos start the blockade game, never mined the container ships... Containing chimp-out 2.0 will consume available domestic energy resources preventing rebuilding all that capacity/capital that was exported to China & MENA.
Chimp-out Mk 2 might be the "best outcome" option. Per the 2010 Census, there are about 3.8 million Chinese in the Continental USA, and it would be an absolute certainty that a fraction of them might be more inclined to support China than the USA should things "escalate".
Immigrant Chinese have a hard-won reputation for hard work. If only 1% decide to act as a "Fifth Column" that's still almost 40,000, and that number of insurgents (with knowledge) could cause significant problems, especially if US actions targeted Chinese cities. The Triads gained their fearsome reputation for very good reason . . . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_American
"trade blockade against china" ....nonsense!
same game different day - look up Japan 1939 - that was the US strategy at that time to block the Japanese supply lines - how many Americans died in the Pacific???????????
dont you think the Chinese know this? which is why they are establishing pipelines from Russia for energy - cross transcontinental rail to Europe for outbound shipments - high speed mag lev
Pearl Harbour was a REACTION NOT AN ACTION - by the Japanese to vlockade of The Strait of Malacca - FDR wanted PH to happen to get out of the depression - they even knew of the preparation for the attack but did nothing - same strategy in NYC for 9-11 to mobilize puplic opinion only it was organized by Israeli and Americans
The naivety and stupidity of americans is so fundemental to where we are right now - get your head out of your ass! - organized crime central is DC / NYC axis
The blockade on Japan worked fairly well. Japan had a fairly advanced navy, more than equal to the US navy at the time. Japan had better planes as well. It's not 1945 and China is not at all equal to the US in military tech. The US navy outclasses China in everyway, and the airforce? Not. Even. Close.
EXCELLENT ! SEND YOUR FUCKING KIDS the dna is obviously marginal
A well thought out and reasonable debate... If this is the depth of thought that's gone into the planning on the Chinese side the West will continue to rule the world for generations to come.
The US has about 5 years tops before the ongoing effects of Fukushima are fully absorbed. Then people are going to be really pissed.
In 10 years, according to the CDC, everyone in North America will have cancer, and all children born will have autism.
Bringing in immigrants by the boatload may delay the financial effects of this demographic disaster, but they will be getting cancer at a faster rate due to bioaccumulation. They're coming here to die an early cancerous radioactive death.
There isn't a country in the world at the command level that doesn't understand this, and we will be untouchable lepers, as far as they are concerned, as our health care systems collapse. No one will want our food exports, and we'll be too sick to make anything, if there's anything left made in the US after the TPP. They will all simply turn their backs as we die as a nation. Japan is leading the way, keep an eye on them. They don't have 5 years left.
In 10 years, according to the CDC, everyone in North America will have cancer, and all children born will have autism. Can you link this? Accourding to the CDC you say?
Here are the autiism rates of growth:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html
The radiation will accelerate this, but the existing numbers are bad enough.
Looking for the cancer numbers. A lot of this was canceled by .gov after Fukushima blew on 3/11 (the following October, to be exact):
'Changes in Access to Death Data May Impede Medical Research'"Certain types of biomedical research will be compromised by a change by the US Social Security Administration (SSA) in its policies regarding public release of death records, said Eugene H. Blackstone, MD, director of clinical investigations in the department of thoracic and cardiovascular surgery at the Cleveland Clinic.
Blackstone said the SSA’s Death Master File has been a fairly accurate and inexpensive source of data about all deaths in the United States, used by many researchers for epidemiological and long-term outcomes studies. The changes to the Death Master File will make it useless to researchers, but few are aware of this impending problem, he said."
"The problem: beginning on November 1, the SSA will no longer make public the death records that it receives from the states. This means that 4.2 million death records of the 89 million archived by the SSA will be immediately withdrawn from public use. Going forward, an expected 1 million of approximately 2.8 million death records compiled by the SSA each year will be kept from public eyes.
When informed of the changes coming to the Death Master File, Harlan M. Krumholz, MD, professor of medicine at Yale University School of Medicine in New Haven, Conn, said in an e-mail, “Wow—this would be a very unfortunate policy change that would severely limit the ability of many studies to track longitudinal outcomes (mortality).”
http://newsatjama.jama.com/2011/10/19/changes-in-access-to-death-data-ma...
A lot of .gov health projections, especially cancer, have been removed. I'll see what I can find.
I appreciate it. China/US debate aside, fukushima is a shitshow the whole world should be watching...
wow..this is fucking crazy.
fuck .gov!!
"The blockade on Japan worked fairly well."
It worked well only if you consider triggering the Pacific War a well thought out plan. I can only assume that you do which makes you the real problem we have to deal with and not China.
It did work out well, they wanted a reason to enter the war and they got one. You assume incorrectly that I support war, while I have multiple times reiterated I do not. I'm simply calling it how I see it.
I doubt your anti-war sincerity, especially since you have had to reiterate it so many times. No one would look back at that war and praise the planning, however successful, and then conclude that using the same method to begin another war is a good plan. That is not simply calling it as you see it, it is advocating.
Drag your commie-loving ass back to some Chinese internet forum and go harass hapless Chinese trying to download porn. Fucking troll.
So...I take it you're pro-war. What do you expect to personally achieve from a war with China? Will you be on the front liines? Your children?
Do you think all Chinese people are communist? Should the war only wipe out the commies or are you okay with killing everyone and letting Buddha sort them out?
Maybe you should focus more on the commies and globalist trying to ruin the US instead of advocating yet another war on the other side of the world.
You don't know me jackass.
I'm pro LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE, FUCKTARD. The Chinese people aren't communist fucktard. "Commie" is an easy pejorative that can be substituted by statist or fascist or totalitarian. Do I believe the chinese communist party is a criminal gang of motherfucking totalitarians? Ab-SO-FUCKING-lutely.
The same communist party is most definitely running herd over 1.4 billion humans and duping the rest of the planet with a tsunami of fiat shit paper the likes we haven't seen since the Weimar Republic. But what I do notice is that you broker ZERO critical analysis of anything Chinese and enjoy shitting over Americans at every turn. Let's get one thing straight. We're all held captive by the same goddamned criminal elites. But if you think the Washington boys are the only ones hellbent on global supremacy, think again shit stain. Your commie boys in Beijing have demonstrated quite the knack for grabbing and taking whatever the fuck they please as they please, by hook or by crook. Ask the Tibetans about the motherloving Han people. Fucking cur.
The only difference is that HERE we're still allowed the modest liberty of at least venting about it. Posts like this in commie China are summarily removed by the likes of you. On this side of the Pacific, the best you can do is earn your lick-spittle 50 cents by posting fuckall commentary.
hmm exactly what you said just get the fuck out statist cunt .
I doubt your anti-war sincerity
Americans don't talk like this commie troll. Who's reiterating what how many times? You post more on China-related threads all by yourself than the next 50 contributors combined. You reeeeeaaaally think it's that important to shape opinions on these threads don't you? Go FUCK yourself. Now go logon to your other accounts so you can pretend I got downvoted twelve times and there's a "concensus" from the peanut gallery.
That's some serious spinning, did you get dizzy?
You're not debating a person ID. That's a hired troll. Don't waste your breath. He posts under at least a dozen different handles too. It's across all China-related threads. Be aware.
I'm aware, he's a 50 cent'er. I'm sure they get paid more than 50 cents a day by now though. All the same, it's fun to mess with them, they make it too easy as they have a very limited playbook.
You two Bozos are both idiots.
And stalkers it seems. I post on Asia because that is what I know unlike many here who seem to know everything. What you mistake as pro-Asian is simply anti-hegemony and anti-war (more recently which is usually the result of American hegemony). It's none of our business what China does unless and until they show up on our shores (Bozo, you said it yourself, you're "pro LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE." Shouldn't that go for other nations as well?)
The problem with you two is you scream and shout a bunch of simple-minded patriotic shit and can't stand any other opinion. And you sound a lot like the Chinese government trying to shut me up and shout me down. Is that the American way these days?
Now, go ahead and shout some more.
You're going to have to show me where I tried to shut you up. Or where I'm spouting patriotic bullshit. I'm simply calling it like I see it. The US military, specifically the navy and airforce, are far superior to China's. It's not that I'm patriotic so much as I'm a realist.
I've seen enough death in my time to want more war. But I have little faith in humans to do anything else when they feel threatened. The west intends to remain the sole global superpower, and to do that you have to knock off the challengers. If China threatens the status quo, China will get knocked off, one way or another.
That doesn't man I like it, want it to happen, support it, or otherwise derive pleasure from it. It's simply the way of the world we live in, and I will plan accordingly.
Roger that compadre. Keep your powder dry.
"We already lost to China by selling out our productive capacity and selling them our debt."
Productive capacity can be moved back and the US can just refuse to pay back the debt (remember Mr. Panos wise lesson about debt!). What is China gonna do, send in the debt collector? Dumping US treasuries? Who is going to buy them and if they dumpt them to crash the US economy they will also lose 1 trillion dollar.
China's strategy for a land war once also entailed sending massive amounts of Chinese soldiers into surrendering thereby giving the enemy a big problem in dealing with them. That can be turned around: pull back you production from China and send 10's of millions of workers into unemployment. There is one thing that China's leadership really fears and that is millions of hungry peasants and workers with nothing left to lose that are going to march on Bejing.
Financially impossible in wartime.
Supplies will have to be paid for in gold only, no credit.
From an engineering point of view, not so easy either.Most of the skill sets are retired or dead.
Even if they were around the logistics are challenging and you are talking years before you get
product that is decent.
Dream on though.
Remember WWII? America did not have a big military industry but the war made that all happen. Did not happen overnight. After the war that industry was converted into a civilian industry that gave people cars, fridges, TVs, etc.
Just give people the right incentive and anything is possible.
You have that the wrong way round.
US industry converted and ramped up production.The US was a Johny come lately and used
supplying the UK and others with war material ,in peacetime, to ramp that production up.
Thats hard from factories in China.There is no base.
I read somewhere that Chrysler and GM were kept alive because their factories could be used to build war materiel if necessary. Can you imagine trying to build for a war effort, that few believed in, at those plants?
Or will we convert Honda and Toyota plants to tank and aircraft building, in time for it to be meaningful?
Nukes make that all obsolete.
And what few 'factories' remain will be targeted in the first wave. As will our nuclear power plants.
Seabees, clean up NPP's on Aisle 2. Right.
I know this ink is a blatantly biased site, but it does have the information about EMP effects .... as far as I can see, this sort of attack is much more likely than simple nukes....
An EMP attack, ultimately kills the population of the target, but leaves all the natural resources intact and NOT radioactive. Ruins the infrastucture .... but you can replace that.
http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/super-emp-capable-of-disa...
Most respectfully Joe- Winston is correct. It takes decades to build a strong industrial base, and a ready supply of raw materials. This would be a real challenge in any circumstance, but the kicker; which Winston also alluded to is abundant credit.
In 1941 America was not debt-saturated. It had a strong manufacturing base which was re-purposed toward the war effort. It had the steel mills and the coal mines and a population accustomed to hard work.
It truly is different this time, Joe.
Also, in 1941, the US was a nation of composed primarily of White, hard working, moral people who had a decent education and an intact work ethic. They were physically fit and lived honest, upright lives.
Today? Go to Walmart and take a look around. Go to the hood and take a look around. Go out to the rural areas, loaded with trailers and meth heads and take a look around.
A lot has changed since 1941. Primarily, the composition and character of our people.
There were a lot of hard-working, moral black people, too. Segregation was bad, but it worked, and many blacks had adopted the 'white' work ethic (dubious to call it this, possibly). Anyway, there were many black middle-class neighborhoods that were well tended to and safe.
This was not acceptable to the 'white' man, as eventually they would achieve a certain level of economic/political power, so Johnson came up with welfare for the moms and kids, as long as the father wasn't around, and it destroyed the black family, and everything else they had achieved. And, for all intents and purposes, it's never been repeated.
Only now, the same 'white man' wants to destroy the 'white' middle-class, too. It's a little different when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it? And they're doing a damn fine job.
I'm old enough to remember LBJ's quip, I'll have them niggers votin' democrat for the next hundred years!
My point is, you needn't be black to be a nigger. Damn near nobody realizes this.
I once had a black employee named Mike. We joked around plenty about race relations.
One day, he came up to me and said, "I need tomorrow off."
I said, "OK".
He said, "Don't you want to know why I need the day off?"
I said, "Not really."
He said, "I'm going to a job interview in Alabama."
I snorted, "WTF kinda job do you expect to find in Alabama?"
He replied, "I don't know, but for the kind of money they're talking about, I'd sell bagels at a Duke rally."
It was 6 or 8 weeks before I saw Mike again. He walked in in a suit and tie and hugged my neck- in front of God and everybody.
Haven't seen him since.
Hope he's doing well.
From bondage to spiritual faith,
From spiritual faith to great courage,
From courage to liberty,
From liberty to abundance,
From abundance to selfishness,
From selfishness to complacency,
From complacency to apathy,
From apathy to dependency,
From dependency back again to bondage.
- Alexander Tytler- Smart dude!>>>>>>Most of the skill sets are retired or dead.
Dead on!
I have faith in what I've learned through the generations, but that has f'all to do with anything considering weather manipulation.
I shudder that we no longer make transformers and contemplate just how many (minimum 3) fuel supplies we'll need to survive. That's if things go well, excluding zombie EBT gangs.
We don't make replacement parts for all the failing nuclear power plants, either. The big stuff is all custom one-off at the factories in Japan. And as they die from Fukushima radiation - and all the other nuclear plants that are now failing further after the continual earthquakes they're seeing - we lose that capacity, too.
The US certainly does NOT have the capability to replace the largest "Supergrid" transformers / control reactors; these come from India, and even in peacetime the wait is long (10 years or so - Global demand is high).
The US does have the capacity for limited repair / refurbishment, but only in a few sites, and the refurbishment process itself is rather dependent on overseas-produced key componentry (e.g. bushings), and very reliant on reliable, fairly copious electrical power (cranes / welding / vacuum equipment for drying-out windings, even power to run the flotilla of computing systems needed to meet safety / ISO accreditation).
If the Grid goes down, it'll not be back on in 24 hours. America (and the West) is so very dependent on electrical power, that loss of the grid alone would mean game over for a very large chunk of the population.
"Productive capacity can be moved back and the US can just refuse to pay back the debt"
be serious - the PPT does the opposite in the face of the threat being in your face - Soverniety is being eliminated by tribunals - - jobs and trade - are being transferred out - not IN - as to the debt - the SDR backed by gold of Russia / China et al - assures the opposite - impossible for the debt NOT - to be paid - notwithstanding the Chinese are already reducing their dollar exposure by investment in multiple foreign countries - see Brazil / Pakistan et al
look americans dont understand where they are - they have been abandoned by their government - get use to it!
Given that we invented most circuit board and component packaging technologies, especially SMD, I'm not sure we would have that hard of a time retooling. Most of the high volume automated assembly equipment is either made in Japan, the U.S. or Germany. Assuming we remain allies with Japan we could easily out produce China. The reason we allowed China to become a powerhouse is greed as usual. The Chinese have no regulations as it pertains to dumping waste water in the circuit board cleaning process. Not to mention all the other regulations regarding pollution, worker safety, etc...
It is not that the Chinese are superior manufacturers - they just are able to do it cheaper. That is all.
Don't expect anything from those 'allies' at that point.
There will be no interest in supplying the US.
What goes around comes around.
You truly do underestimate the power of human greed....
Unless the US has gold to pay, no I don't.
Not credit,not FRN's ,but gold, and I think we know it doesn't.
there could be nothing in there now and it wouldn't be a problem... the US has only been producing anywhere from 200 to 350 metrics tons of the stuff per year, don't you know... oh wait, you don't...
Considering how much gold the UK and France had to fork over for war material,
200/300 tons won't buy you diddly squat.If you could deliver it that is.
Considering there was also a lot of credit extended to the UK and France...
by the Rothschilds.
A-greed...
I read somewhere a month ago the British government was still paying off the Boer War.
No wonder the Fed can't be audited. Or the Bank of England.
I see, being one of the top gold producers in the world for the past 25 years won't buy the US anything... keep dreaming...
That gold is already in China, and you know it.
Is it just me, or has post-turtle gotten dumber as time goes by?
you're useless... if I want your opinion I'll give you one and beat it out of you
funny how no one can prove that, least of all you
whatever helps you sleep douche keep on blabbering
The people running most of our allies nations would back the US simply because the US put them there in the first place. And they know the value of power above the value of money. Money will come, but if the US lost it's top spot, power would shift and they'd be left in a much lower position than they are now.
Again, it's the power of greed. I'm not saying I like it mind you. It simply is what it is.
The opposite to that is that as the US sinks into the sea, they sink, too. Being lower on the totem pole might be better than being at the bottom of the sea.