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Chinese State Paper Warns "War Will Be Inevitable" Unless U.S. Stops Meddling In Territorial Dispute
Whereas over the past year, ever since the outbreak of the hostilities over the fate of Ukraine following the Victoria Nuland orchestrated presidential coup, relations between Russia and NATO have devolved to a Cold War 2.0 state as manifested by countless interceptions of Russian warplanes by NATO jets and vice versa as depicted in the following infographic...
... at least China was mercifully allowed to stay out of the fray between the Cold War enemies.
This all changed this month when first the Pentagon's annual report to Congress this month cast China as a threat to regional and international peace and stability, followed several weeks ago when, with China aggressively encroaching into territories in the South China Sea claimed by US allies in the region such as Philippines, Vietnam and Japan, the US decided to get involved in yet another regional spat that does not directly involve it, and started making loud noises about China's territorial expansion over the commodity-reach area.
China promptly relatiated by threatening a US spy plane during a routine overflight, while immediately thereafter the US retaliated at China's escalation, and warned that building sea "sandcastles" could "lead to conflict."
Far from shutting China up, earlier today China said it had lodged a complaint with the United States over a U.S. spy plane that flew over parts of the disputed South China Sea in a diplomatic row that has fuelled tension between the world's two largest economies.
Quoted by Reuters, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Monday China had lodged a complaint and that it opposed "provocative behaviour" by the United States.
"We urge the U.S. to correct its error, remain rational and stop all irresponsible words and deeds," she said. "Freedom of navigation and overflight by no means mean that foreign countries' warships and military aircraft can ignore the legitimate rights of other countries as well as the safety of aviation and navigation."
China had noted “ear-piercing voices” from many in the U.S. about China’s construction on the islands and reefs.
In other words, China just imposed an effective "no fly zone" for US spy planes, a dramatic shift from its recent posture when it tolerated and turned a blind eye to US spy plane overflights. Going forward, the US has been explicitly warned not to fly over China or risk the consequences.
This handout photo taken on March 16, 2015 by satellite imagery provider Digital Globe shows a satellite image of vessels purportedly dredging sand at Mischief Reef in the Spratly Islands in the disputed South China Sea
And just to confirm that if the US had hoped it could threaten Beijing into submission and force the Politburo into curbing its expanionist appetit, it was dead wrong, the nationalist Global Times, a paper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper, the People’s Daily, said in a Monday editorial that war was “inevitable” between China and the United States unless Washington stopped demanding Beijing halt the building of artificial islands in the disputed waterway.
PressTV has more details:
A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
“If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.
“We do not want a military conflict with the United States, but if it were to come, we have to accept it,” said The Global Times, which is among China’s most nationalist newspapers.
Beijing last week said it was “strongly dissatisfied” after a US spy plane defied multiple warnings by the Chinese navy and flew over the Fiery Cross Reef, where China is reportedly building an airfield and other installations.
“The intensity of the conflict will be higher than what people usually think of as ‘friction’,” it warned.
The paper also asserted that China was determined to finish its construction work in the South China Sea, calling it Beijing’s “most important bottom line.”
Such commentaries are not official policy statements, but are sometimes read as a reflection of government thinking.
More importantly, they serve as populism-timestamped warnings that US demands for a Chinese retreat over what the world's most populous nation considers' its own national interest, will backfire dramatically and the next time a US spy plane flies over the Spratly Islands, or Beijing's smog for that matter, a very serious diplomatic incident may ensue.
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This is true, but no one currently believes the US will sink into the sea. Not even China or Russia believe that. It would take America losing quite a bit of ground from where it stands today. For the to happen though, you'd already have needed to chose a side and it would be too late.
I used to go along with the notion that the gold in Fort Knox was gone .... but on reflection, perhaps not.
It is certainly re-hypothicated many many times.... but the old rule of possession being 9/10'th's seems to imply that greedy sociopaths would never allow it out of their possession.
Ok .. maybe send a few hundred tonnes to Germany where they have a nice second home, just as insurance so that they always have some physical gold in the event that they are chased out of the USA. Same goes for small amounts in a variety of other 'second homes'.
EDIT: Zerohedge's comment system is rubbish ... you reply to a post, and your reply ends up in what seems like a random location.... utterly useless for a high profile site. They could learn from Reddit or Slashdot or .... almost everyone else.
Never Buy Real Estate 2 feet above Sea Level...
Never buy real estate 5 feet below sea level.
Some guy who used to live in New Orleans.
It worked until the Corps of Engineers built MR/GO. Genius at work.
Both think its about upmanship, political gotcha games. As long as both sides enjoy the politics of pointing fingers, nothing will happen. Its when they stop.
You don't really have to start getting scared until, like now, both sides trot out the tired old meme that "War is the last thing we want with... (fill in country name here)." Because the next word after that is always, "But."
What happens if our bunch of cunts, declare war on your bunch of cunts, who then decide to declare war on on another bunch of hapless cunts who had fuck all to do with the intricate running of all of our collective cunts cuntrys?
And no fucker showed up?
Sotero, Cameron, Hollande, and the fucker who runs China, fuck off and pick up a gun big men. leave us cunts owt of it, and alone if you know whats fucking good for you.
Cunts
We have Shrillary Cunton for that.
Fucking grade 'A' idiots Winston my friend.
Lets let them self anointed fucking retards pick the guns up and war the fucker owt then.
The world is quickly realising they be run by imbecilic retarded cunts. Its fucking mint knowing they know that we know what the hell is going on.
;-)
"Global leadership" is simply a euphemistic term for cuntstipation.
Shillary
"Fuck off and pick up a gun big men. leave us cunts owt of it, and alone if you know whats fucking good for you." --Inthemix96
That's revolution talk there, my man. You think the sheeple are up for it? The fact alone that American citizens continue to empower these "big men" tells me the answer is an emphatic NO.
American youth solved the problem by simply getting too fat to serve in the Military... saves all that walking getting up to the Canadian Border like in Nam.
I have no doubt Darwin mate, none at all.
You want to kill folks who have done fuck all to you in another land on the say so of fucking child molesting cowards who think they can rule ad-infitum on their say so? Who may I add, will send you and your kids to die for their ideals?
I dont fucking think so.... They made this bed mate, now they have to Dog damn lie in it cos folk like me say fucking no, no more, not in my fucking pissed off name, Inthemix96
And damn fucking right, that there is revolutionary talk, bring the cunt on, all of them.
The line is drawn my friend. Make of that what you will.
;-)
Not this time
Where ya been?
Missed ya
Well Sabre rattling is usually the first stage of a war. And if I was a strategic thinking Russkie or ChiCom I would seriously consider launching sooner rather than later if I was going to attack the US.
You know, while we have no leader and the population is in disarray and turned against itself. Oh and the military is in low morale and weakened by dissention and forced retirement of any decent officiers.
Yep I would be moving those plans to the front burner, who knows, we might f#ck up and elect a real leader next time. god forbid
Both sides are rapidly running out of time for surprise attack to be decisive.
We are in the most dangerous time in living history, including the Turkish/Ccuban crisis.
Hopefully sanity will prevail,but I'm not betting on it.
Looking on the bright side, "Pension Rights" in the insolvent West (includes Australia) are going to be evaporating pretty quickly, and our "Retirement Homes" are no better than a colleague's apt description - "Warehousing for Wrinklies", so maybe the pretty "sudden end" resulting from an exchange of today's "modern weapons" might not be such a bad outcome.
The "lucky" nearest the detonation epicentres will be dead (and vapourised) well before their brains can recognise the event (about 100 mSec give or take); those living further away might not be so "lucky" . . . . . .
Whatever survives will still have a few billion years to try to "get it right" this time around . . . . . . (before the sun makes life as we know it impracticable)
This agression will not stand!
What the fuck are you talkin' about? The Chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand!
They're building on the reefs... send Greenpeace.
Damn good place for them;)
Good there are many ( continually reminded ) repressed illegal Immigrants and Affican Amercans looking for work, the free services arent keeping up with inflation.
A war with China is the perfect means of recovery for the West. We will get a chance for once to manufacture our own TVs and all the other crap that we currently import from the East. Krugman will be having wet dreams over all the sunken aircraft carriers that will need replacing. Think of all the new reefs and aquatic habitats that will be created. Its a win/win scenario.
We can take 'em.
Not if the FUCKEN liberal moon bats keep screaming for gun control, more like sitting ducks. Yet I see this as a positive thing as well, as the gun control nuts will be the first to go.
p00k1e: "We can take 'em."
Bill of Rights "Not if the FUCKEN liberal moon bats keep screaming for gun control, more like sitting ducks"
So let me get this right: p00k1e thinks 'Murika can take freakin' CHINA, no less, when 'Murika hasn't won a war since WW2 (you know, the 1940-45 war that in the real world was won by the Red Army), while Bill of Rights thinks 'Murikans can actually take the 618,588,627-strong Chinese army (tanks, multiple-launch rocket systems, submarines, aircraft carriers, bomber planes, intercontinental nukes, etc) with friggin' GUNS.
Waw... 'Murika is fucked up for sure.
They think they can stop the US gov't heavy arsenal rolling into their towns too so of course, China who's not as militarily as advanced will definitely not be an issue!
The delusion must stem from believing they are like the militia back during the Revolutionary War but they're nowhere in hell even close to being organized even from a communication stand point! they don't won't know where the enemy will strike...
Hardy-har-har on the 600 million strong army from China.
What are they going to eat while they sweat out a US Naval blockade? Each other?
And how are they going to get to Murika to fight Murikans? Human raft perhaps?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, America does not need to invade China to beat China. Blockade, as you've just pointed out, then bomb the fuck out of all the factories. China implodes on itself in under a year.
"I've said it before and I'll say it again, America does not need to invade China to beat China. Blockade, as you've just pointed out, then bomb the fuck out of all the factories. China implodes on itself in under a year."
InvalidID, you do live in a world of your own, do you?
"China reveals its ability to nuke the US: Government boasts about new submarine fleet capable of launching warheads at cities across the nation"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2484334/China-boasts-new-submari...
And that was in 2013. It's only gotten worse since. The Chinese can launch nuclear disaster on EVERY US major city.
Have a good day.
Good chance the Chinese support the gun control efforts here.
You're assuming the Chinese have an intent to invade and take over a continent rapidly dying of radiation poisoning from Fukushima.
They don't.
They might accelerate things if the DC fucks don't mind their own business, but otherwise, they're content to just watch our radioactive death play out.
Time is on their side, by a wide margin.
the plastic pumpkins must flow bitchez
Fuck. are they out in stores already ???
"Chinese State Paper Warns "War Will Be Inevitable" Unless U.S. Stops Meddling In Territorial Dispute"
Just the way Zion wants it. "More debt, plunder, and power for us, and a dead goy bonus."
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Lets do this......Surely they must suck at driving Tanks, Planes and Ships !
"Lets do this......Surely they must suck at driving Tanks, Planes and Ships !"
Yeah, sure. They suck at everything they do. Just watch any Bruce Lee or Jet Li movie, or for the art savvy, their mastery of arts and crafts. These friggin' Chink perfectionists won't stop until they surpass everyone.
china can't build a carrier like usa has, so they build an island to do the same thing for much less and with benefit it can't be sunk. genius.
china claims ownership of oil rich area, once military islands are built, they will buy off Philippines and Indonesia, with sweet trade deals-
the USA is the dog that will not bite.
If war breaks out, guess who will speak up and stand on the Chinese side? Russia
And guess who won't speak up or sanction but still doing trades with China? All the countries signed for AIIB.
Yeah, so bring it on. I will put my money US won't have the balls to start this war.
And Iran,India Pakistan and the soon to be others in the SCO.
The US could only "win" this war if it's a home game.
Commerce is our goal here at Tyrell. “More human than human” is our motto.
— Bladerunner, 1982
I'm waiting for the virtual Obama red line
drawing a line in water is safe
Wait a minute. If everybody is against the NWO then who are we going to fight?
This may be the one where noboby shows up.
Chuck Norris when Jade Helm 15 knocks on his back door to tell him he has to go to the old folks home at the end of August.
LOL. They couldn't even win a tiny country Vietnam with much less military equipped than China today. So, bring it on.
US is panicking about the SDR.
The US has a perfect right to want control of a place called the South China Sea.
...comin' to save the muthafuckin' day, yeah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
Bush Bay?
A serious war with China or the Russian Federation will require many bodies. Bodies that probably won't want to volunteer. Then a draft will ensue and you will hear the howling around the world. All those chicken hawks now having to join the fray.
Now, I don't want anyone to die in another stupid war but this scenario will be humorous.
There have been several attempts to discredit the Nobel Peace Prize since its establishment. Founder of Italian fascism, bloody dictator Benito Mussolini was nominated for the Prize in 1935.
http://www.secretnews-compact.com/index.php/4638-united-states-to-nominate-ukrainian-president-poroshenko-for-a-nobel-peace-prize
Nobody with half a brain takes that award seriously anymore.
He has instituted peace if by peace you mean death ...true death is peaceful
"This month the Pentagon cast China as a threat to regional and international peace and stability, deciding to get involved in yet another regional spat that does not directly involve it, making loud noises about China's territorial expansion."
But China is a threat to international peace! They have no business building islands in Lake America... that's our land! I mean, water! How can the US abide a nation that expands its territory? We mustn't allow it!
It ain't real to TV Viewers till people are killed or taken prisoner in a confrontation.
Escalation is the name of the Game.
I predict that the next step is one side shoots down a plane or kills some military service members. otherwise the escalation is not occurring.
Cold Wars get set up with safeguards to prevent nuclear exchanges or full war. But Escalation is still the game and we can all tolerate a few people getting killed.
This is why Service members get praise for their Bravery.
Good points, TV88. I do wonder, however, about this new detente thing going on, and whether the old reliance on mutually assured destruction still applies. Nukes are heading into the grey area of tactical utility, especially with the advent of neutron bombs and the incorporation of fissile materials in projectiles. There have been several claims of nukes being used in Yemen and Ukraine over the past few months alone, and while the evidence for this is weak, just the fact that these claims are increasingly circulating through non-corporate media channels tells me that the nuclear detente paradigm may be dissolving.
Lots of new stuff since the Davey Crocket of the sisties. Explains why the twin towers were molten steele for months.
Right you are. The US is in Chicken Little/The boy Who Cried Wolf territory with its constant drone of fear-mongering. No one pays it any attention anymore. So they must move to the next step - bloody confrontation - to get people's attention.
As a side note, I suppose America's decade+ war in West Asia has it believing it has the resources and training to take it global.
Obama to China: We're holding are poker hand with TPP. I raise the pot to 30 trillion.
China: Do you realize we hold your debt in treasuries Mr. Obama?
Obama: Let me be clear, we need 30 trillion to jump start the US economy.
go! baby! go! war is good for my retirement! i am all in on oil, gold, silver and copper. i am ready for you fucking fools. if anyone survives in my family they will be rich! rich! itell you! rich!
That sounds like exactly the same thing Daffy Duck was saying, when he had his,mitts wrapped around a giant pearl and the giant clam was slowly closing in on him!
This is great news. Maybe the US will stop all the lies and propaganda on TV after we have an all-out nuclear war. After all, the citizens by then will either have awakened to reality or they're just dead. Or the US can get really serious and set up a meeting with Obama and the Chinese leadership over a beer at the White House. That'll work.
China has no legitimate claim to the south china sea - look at the map. there are four countries closer to the spratleys.
they are building missile / air bases in the middle of the ocean, on sand spits in international waters, with the spratleys being the first, with more to follow, even further from China.
this is arguably the key trade route in the world and they wish to turn it into a toll road, a private road - whatever you want to call it.
no matter how the US fucks up elsewherse overseas, here is an example where a trespasser should be bounced out on his ear.
Almost as bad as roving missile/air bases.
I forget what they are called.
whatver they are called, they are trumped by sand castle ones
'targets'
Floating coffins
Sovereigns of the sea.
If they are so useless, why is China building more of them?
The USN can mass sea power to attack and overwhelm the defenses of an isolated island outpost.
And then we will have both the carriers and a nice new island base.
Maybe the wily Chinese are doing this in order to provoke a US response.
Maybe their High Command want to try out their very new "toys" such as the DF-21 on a "real" target selection, rather than an outline in a Mongolian desert??
They are not known as the "Inscrutable Chinese" for nothing . . . .
when they will reach near the afea for sea power attack they will be welcomed by the plethora of ashms . it would be a nice scenario for neocons droolers .
China has killed no one - military or civilian - to build those islands and yet it is supposed to be "bounced out on (its) ear" by the mass murderer, imperialist America war mongers? Please....show some fucking perspective.
You need to stop thinking of things in terms of countries. The nation-state is an idea whose time has come. All this sabre rattling is just theatrics to confuse the sheep and ensure that when the UN does take over, there is no alternative. Soros, Kissinger, Jacob Rothschild et al have worked their whole lives to achieve this and they want to see the result before they die
Guys, guys, get a grip. I know it is exiting on this Memorial Day to dream of massive formations of men going at each other on the beaches of California or in the heart of Asia. It won’t happen. You can never again do a Normandy style invasion. Tactical nukes make it impossible. What you can do is turn out the lights, sit back and watch the locals eat each other.
Unfortunately, your comment is highly realistic. Especially if you are an inner-city occupant.
Just make sure the "locals" don't know you are there, 'cause you'll be the next item on the "eat as much as you can" menu!
I agree with you that meat sacks can no longer storm the beaches ala 1944. But just like technology can't decide on thin client versus fat client and so is forever morphing from client to server and back again, meat sack versus directed networked disposable smart munitions could probably find a way to make invasion possible once again.
Like you, I don't see anything breaking out tomorrow, but in 5 or 10 or 20 years, the world, from a tactical point of view, is going to look very different than it looks today.
Think millions of disposable smart bombs at $100 a piece that can communicate on a series of floating encrypted subnets and can then route themselves over long distances to gps coordinates.
Think how important the techology behind UPS would be in the logistical supply chain of the next major dust up. Then strip out the human element and scale it up to machine speed.
The real question in my mind is going forward, who is going to field the better tech talent? The US or China?
The Chinese are pretty damn smart, but until they open up their culture to allow abject failure (and by extension wild success) they are probably going to continue to play second fiddle to the smart kids in California who can take flier, fall flat on their face and then go on to invent the next Google.
Interesting dilemna for international law.
If the waters are international, and a Chinese ship is sailing, or drifting through the international waters, then some other country can't attack that ship, right?
In a way, is not China building a stationary ship of sorts? So just as a country can't take over those islands (analgous to piracy if the new constructed island is commandeered by the US) neither does China have a right to protest US overflying those "island vessels".
However, if China uses those new islands to launch patrol vessels for the sake of harrassing or intimidating other countries' vessels, then are not those islands analgous to the mother ships from which the pirates off the coast of Somolia were launching their speed boats to pirate/attack international vessels?
Shitty intervention of humor, but you arrive at destination. This pertains to Somalia pirates.
Doo Rag Intervention
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MtEhM3wZnMU
There will be no war. China is trying to dominate the Spartly Islands for resources and geographic advantage. USA is trying to make it harder for China to do this. Nothing more, nothing less. If an accident does happen, both countries do not have a large enough reason to escalate this is full-out war.
Phillipines and Vietnam need to copy China with their own islands so China doesn't suck them all up.
we should help the Philippines and Vietnam build out the rest of the reefs to fill the "coral reef gap"
.
stamp out the global ecosystem in the name of politics and war
I award you the best comment of this thread award...
So Global Times deleted the original editorial?
A message of mishandling?
The point was made, so just a message.
FUCK rabid statist USSA WANNABE CHINA. U go fuck off. power.crazed.maniacs.alt.statist.oligarchs#what.diff.does.it.make.same.old.same.old.
I have a itch China, can you scratch my Silk Road rare earth mineral skin irritation?
I can't believe any of y'all think this will be a land war. How many nukes does each country have , thousands. There is no way in hell a surprise attack on either country is possible. Both countries are ready to launch missiles in a New York minute if it comes to that. So please tell me how either country can win a nuclear war . It''s impossible and don't tell me it can be done or your as dumb as you look. If you care about your family and what ever country you live in you sure as hell don't want this to happen cause it would probably be the end of us all. Can your hatred of the U.S. Be so great that even if it means your family and the world is destroyed it' s alright ? If you answered yes then your a sick son of bitch and I would personally like to kick you warped minded ass.
Stop living in fear. You are the mule and revenue ticket. They won't kill you.
Sanity seems a rare commodity in DC these days.
The US keeps giving Israel billions as it continues to build settlements...and nukes... meaning the US is violating its own laws to subsidize Jewish colonialism and diplomatic cover to protect Israeli apartheid colonialism and illegal occupation from the consequences of dozens of UN resolutions and violations of the Geneva Conventions.
This is in addition to having killed millions of civilians in Korea, Vietnam, and tens to even hundreds of thousands in other theaters like Cambodia and Laos.
Maybe what China is doing is aggressive, and maybe it is in contravention to the law of the sea or whatever the fuck - but the US and Israel are the heavy weight undisputed champions of war crimes and ignoring international law.
Devoid of any moral authority at all, pilots should disobey orders to continue flying over 'disputed' islands thousands of miles from us shores on the thin pretext of protecting freedom of navigation.
This shit has to stop, but until the neocons and neoliberals are ejected it probably won't/.
talkn about China dipwad
Jewish Colonialism?
Go back to your Nazi cartoon books Boris
Agreed. Jews Jews. Blah Blah Blah Jews.
They spoil milk. They cause potholes. They eat arab children.
Could you try a new tune once in a while?
Please?
What about "The funny hats those Jews wear are responsible for goyim homosexual desires."
Or
"Jews aren't really human at all, they are the aliens who originally seeded life on earth through directed panspermia and who are now using cats to control the Military Industrial Complex."
Or
< The sky is the limit. Whatcha got? >
Jews are just like everybody else, except a little bit more.
The Chinese diaspora are a pretty tight ethnic group, compared to most. Where will their loyalties lie in a major conflagration with the US?
What US? China is how many thousands of years old? US is 250. Let it sink in.
Egypt is many thousands of years old as well.
But not one single Egyptian who is alive today.
You cant teach a fucktard ignorant like colaradian tarabel .
You cant teach a fucktard ignorant like colaradian tarabel .
Yeah but the Indians were here for a couple thousand years. Doesn't that count?
My grandfather is much older than I am, but I'm pretty sure I could whoop him in a fight... The age of China means exactly what again?
Isn't this why genius Jaresko requested $40 billion for Ukraine on top of the $5 billion US Taxpayers were already robbed of? Before the IMF shelled out billions for them? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/414e2544-d16d-11e4-98a4-00144feab7de.html
How did Jaresko ever become fund manager if she can't budget?
apropos of little...
"The most famous oligarchs of the Putin era include Roman Abramovich, Alexander Abramov, Oleg Deripaska, Mikhail Fridman, Mikhail Prokhorov, Alisher Usmanov, German Khan, Viktor Vekselberg, Leonid Michelson, Vagit Alekperov, Pyotr Aven, and still Vladimir Potanin and Vitaly Malkin."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarch
of the 13 listed there -
9 of them are jewish or part jewish in a country that is less than 2% jewish.
the situation is largely similar in Ukraine, where much of the media is in the hands of Jews, who are under .5% of the population.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/03/the-unstable-alliance-of-na...
But I would never discuss this because discussions of wildly disproportionate Jewish power in dozens of countries is "hate".
also hate to point out that it was Jewish oligarchs who got rich stealing Russia's wealth, settign them back over a decade, under Yeltsin, with the help of Jewish economists and academics in the US.
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml
It would be "hate" to suggest that when most people who got rich stealing wealth were part of a group that is a tiny minority, one which has done the same thing in other countries, that there is something like a deliberate and organized effort by, at least members of said group. Hate - and not common sense, it seems/.
cute.
So what's the solution? Kill all the Jews? Is that what you're implying? Or do we simply bring back the Nuremburg Laws and not allow anyone who's Jewish to hold any academic, political, or mercantile position of power?
And after you've eliminated the perpetual scapegoat of humanity and still have the same problems of greed and hunger-for-power that is part and parcel of the human experience, what then? Find another scapegoat of a people?
I understand the human necessity to have an answer for all the bad things that happen, but Life's not that simple. Or maybe it is and we don't like the answer!
Nations taking self control of their money would be enough. Strike at the root, the twigs will wither.
Yes but don't jews deserve their dominant status and some slack from the rest of us -because of the holohoax?
The US thinks that the entire world is its sphere of interest while Russia and China have no right to a sphere of interest.
Until the US is exhausted or defeated there is a very high probability of a catestrophic war.
If China declares war, then the US debt held by China would be immediately wiped out. "And, it's gone."
What would the result that be here and globally?
Interesting.
and will the jews also confiscate the hundreds of billions of stocks and real estate that the Chinese have bought in America? Are we going to put a million plus Chinese in concentration camps? A lot of questions here we all need to think about.
That would be 3.8 million, and the majority of that 3.8 million, who as a group have a well-earned reputation for hard work, will be doing the jobs that Americans prefer to leave to the "lesser classes".
Incarcerating a large chunk of what's left of the "productive" workforce might be a little silly, especially once their overseas relatives get wind of goings-on.
Same rulings apply should the USA declare war on China.
Only problem is the Chinese might view this as default, and may chose to make their views abundantly clear to the Global financial markets. America "pretending" to declare war solely in order to default on a very substantial debt is certainly going to be noticed, nuclear capability or no nuclear capability.
busy busy
rothschilds getting twitchy
ratchet up pressure on putin
rabbi needs a reset
About 100 fighter jets from the United States and eight European nations began an Arctic training exercise in the Nordic nations on Monday.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/05/25/uk-nordic-security-russia-idUKK...
I'm gettign more junks than you these days, TW.
Which means the hasbarats find me the sexiest.
You need to up your game, son! You done fell off!
thats because dumb blonds are easier
During the war China will reuse to sell goods to America.
So imagine 1 month in:
Wallmart has no underpants - All made in China
No iPhones - All made in China
You name it - All made in China
Then, the Amish will be our masters.
Great cold milk and beef BTW!
Is Viagra made in China? How about Cialis? If we go to war with China, we won't be able to buy anything. Sex is all we will have left. American pharmaceuticals will charge 20X as much - will we still be able to buy generic male sexual enhancement drugs from China? This is really important.
Just bomb the White House. That will solve everything. Thanks China.
White House? That's the residence of the Puppet in Chief, not TPTB.
Some good points in previous replies, and some silly ones. One thing should be clear, warfare won't be like wars pa and grandpa fought.
Warfare won't be military versus military, but instead, militaryA against citiesB versus militaryB against citiesA. Which means, not many soldiers shooting guns at each other --- where would they do that, since no significant size invasions are involved?
If you follow the train of thought of some of the smarter messages below, you will now understand why self-sufficiency (NOT GLOBALISM) is crucial. Any sizable group of individuals should be able to produce EVERYTHING they need to survive and defend themselves. They don't need to produce the entire quantity of everything, but they need to have the equipment and experience to produce everything, and thus the ability to quickly ramp up quantity as needed if external suppliers hold back supplies or are cut off somehow. China has been doing this... learning to produce everything important. The USSA has done precisely the opposite, at the behest of the NWO advocates (which includes WallStreet and the entire government of the USSA).
Given modern technology, there are no barriers to quick escalation into tactical nuclear war, and the emotions involved in nuclear war of any size assures almost instantaneous escalation to total global thermonuclear war between all the self-proclaimed "big shots".
That China is willing to push this silly and unimportant issue so far is a clear signal that China will not stand for being manipulated much longer. The federal government of the USSA has been so egregious in their bully behavior for over a decade, that virtually everyone around the world is FED UP. One by one they have been too afraid to tell uncle scam to "shove it", but increasingly they recognize that everyone else feels the same way too. And so, in a relatively short period of time, the many "small fry" are starting to realize the USSA is a paper tiger. Oh, not against any ONE of them. Maybe not against any TWO or THREE of them (except China and Russia of course). But the USSA is definitely incapable of managing against them all. And so, the USSA should shut the frack up, stay out of others business, and rebuild their own home. WHICH THEY WON'T... because the neo-con-jobs are in charge. And the neo-con-jobs are suicidally insane.
To those who claim China intends to block off the entire south-china-sea area for their exclusive use (and/or charge passage tolls for everyone else)... I would like to know where you get your information. Or is this just fantasy? I tend to doubt this scenario, because that's not generally how China rolls. So put up, or label your claims as fantasy or speculation.
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DISCLAIMER: I do not take sides, for reasons most of you know well. Namely, every "government" and every "nation" is pure fiction... they don't exist. And what passes for "government" is nothing but human predators... ALL of whom deserve immediate extermination. Nonetheless, where this recent behavior is going is very dangerous to most of the world population (albeit maybe less so for me personally). I'll just repeat what is the most important words of wisdom for those living in the evil empire or their nominal allies... get the hell outta dodge. Else later, you will be so sorry.
The issue is not really navigation. Though it once was.
There are many who claim the Spratley's because of the oil under them.
The narrowest gap (between land) in the "south china sea" within 1000km of China is over 900km wide! And to get to where the gap narrows to 200km wide is 2500km from China.
Maybe I'm missing something, but to bar or charge in a gap THAT wide and THAT far from the "homeland" seems completely insane.
China wanting to find oil in "no mans land" makes way more sense.
I don't know exactly where they're building, but if they're building artificial islands in international waters, then all I can say is... others better get cracking on their own islands if they want a share of whatever is beneath.
Just... don't pollute the south china sea, damn it!
China has been doing this... learning to produce everything important. The USSA has done precisely the opposite, at the behest of the NWO advocates (which includes WallStreet and the entire government of the USSA).
I can honestly say honestann that this statement by you is one of the most profound I've heard in quite a while. It's not China provoking the USA. It's the USA provoking China. "Get a life.", is apparently a statement that the USA forgot years ago. While China is actually doing just that. As you agree, the insane neocons are all out for corprotocracy, and making money, while the remaining sheeple here don't even pay attention, or give a damn. I think all China has to do is emp one of our surveilance planes, just once, after warnings, and somebody might get a message that we should stop fucking around in their territorial water and mind our own business. Somebody wants a war. Find out who they are and stomp on them. We don't want it. Too many people, too many problems. Let's fix our shit first and to hell with the rest of the world for now. Happy Memorial Day!
As Napoleon once observed in 1803, “When China awakes, she will shake the world.”
Yes, I agree. Except I can't see how anyone can call the "south china sea" territorial waters of China. Unless you just mean "nearby waters that China as well as anyone else must be free to navigate".
See my message just below. The southern tip of China is about 500km north the northern portion of the "south china sea"! And the narrowest gaps (between land) in the south china sea are:
- a 900km+ gap between Vietnam and Brunei about 1000km south of China
- a 200km+ gap between Sumatra and Indonesia about 2500km south of China (in the southern freaking hemisphere)
Personally I think China should just ignore overflights. For practical purposes, all flights over international waters should be ignored by everyone, including military flights. If the USSA wants to attack someone, then definitely defend yourself, and make a huge stink internationally. Everyone on the planet already knows who the big bully is, so anyone who refuses to START trouble looks good, and can leverage that into a win in the end.
I don't know the details of these reef disputes. Best I can tell, there have been disputes for centuries if not millennia, but the value of reefs in the middle of nowhere have never been significant enough to make a big deal. And so, I suggest nobody should make a big deal if someone develops a few of those reefs in the middle of nowhere... as long as they don't pollute the ocean.
I say this even though I have to guess that technically speaking, China doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. Unless these events are happening in the very northern tip of the south china sea, they are so far from China as to strongly question on the face of the facts whether China has any legitimate claim of ownership or exclusivity.
Frankly, I don't recognize ANY claims on ANYTHING that is not occupied and/or developed in a productive way for over one year. Which means, all those empty islands and reefs are fair game for everyone... as far as natural ethics is concerned.
honestann:but the value of reefs in the middle of nowhere have never been significant enough to make a big deal. And so, I suggest nobody should make a big deal if someone develops a few of those reefs in the middle of nowhere... as long as they don't pollute the ocean.
Drilling rights.
Not sure what you mean. But if nobody bothers to drill somewhere to see what's beneath, I think it is rather disingenuous to say "nobody else can check either". Now it is clear to everyone that they can go out there and look for oil too. Will they? Or will they just make a lot of noise on the principle that "somehow preventing others from taking productive actions will raise me up"?
China's claim to that sea of trouble is the same as the Jews claim to Holy Land.
A long time ago China ruled all that territory around the sea, and like Israel, she is now reasserting her sovereignty over those troubled waters.
The difference is that China is a lot nicer to those with rival claims than Israel is to its enemies..
What's sauce for the goose. Ancient claims for the West; ancient claims for the East. So it is written.
The dark and sinister forces that control our country are not stupid. But I cannot duscern the advantage which they perceive will enable them to win against the arrayed forces of Eurasia.
Perhaps destroy, or least leave in chaos, both the dollar and BRICS blocks - and then swoop in as saviors with a global digital currency administered from somewhere beneath a volcano.
Are they that f-ing insane? Perhaps.
We cannot allow a sandcastle gap!!!
In a conflict with China companies like Apple and many others would come out on the side of China where their future bread is buttered and who unlike the USSofA is not salivating at the thought of getting its paws on Apples ' nest egg '.
Moving Fast Forward the support on American and European Soil from the political & Oligarch's & Elite Classes leads me to believe that a reawakening as to whom rules the Roost sees China and to a lesser extent Russia ( although their partnership is vital as combined they are More than a match for the USSofA & Allies ) gain sway.
Lobbying Super Super Super-Packs & How to Make FRIENDS and Influence People through Investment and NOT bomb the FUCK out of at any cost, including Genocide, is China's winning Formula. AMEN.
Banks need a pay day so they will start a war. We will get caught in the middle. Long live Israel. Israel has the longest claim to land of anybody on the earth.
Sometimes the logic of evil is that simple.
They've done this to countries all over the world. Eventually they'll do it to us.
The first shots would be the US sinking fifty cargo ships in US territorial waters off Los Angeles harbor.
Confiscate the ships.
ahem
FOB..... DUDE..... FOB
Walmart owned the goods when those cargo ships left port in China.
But look! Tit for tatish. 50 oil tankers destined for Galveston went up in a hurricane of sunburn missiles.
China doesn't stand a chance against us, but we can't subdue them either. We could sink most of their ships, blockade their ports, shoot down their planes and blow up most of their tanks and they would not give in. They would just use a war to bankrkupt us and then in an decade or less we would be easy pickins. There is no chance this would become a nuclear war.
Note: I should say there is very little chance this would escalate into a nuclear conflict. Not impossible ... just unlikely.
They don't need a war to bankrupt the United States.
The United States is bankrupting itself nicely on its own. The Chinese just have to sit and watch.
A war would jsut accelerate things.
Squid
China would have civil war.
All it takes is one small spark to ignite a tinderbox.
LMAO. They can handle huge losses, we can't..no way. Video of one of our unsinkable carriers listing way over and on fire from end to end, will be enough to cause most Americans to rethink letting the oligarchs' meddle around the globe. It is no different than China telling us what to do in the Gulf of Mexico..we would go nuts.
Fools believe we will sweep them from the seas in a few days, and with no losses...we are so vastly superior, they believe. The Chinese and Russians know our strengths and weaknesses too. They are niether stupid nor incompetent. Smart missiles will rain down from hundreds of miles away, and we won't stop them all.
America's oligarchs, now fattened by the Fed, will demand their minions in Congress and the White House whip up a patriotic war frenzy. The MIC will go into overdrive...we need more ships and missiles! Lives lost means only fewer mouths to feed..profits are all that matters; those sacrificed are only cannon fodder.
War is coming. A distraction will be needed when the markets begin to tumble. Incredible levels of debt through loose Fed credit can only go so far. Stock buybacks, 8-9 year car loans, bailouts, etc...have all run their course. A war WILL be far uglier and longer than anyone can imagine. China has a lot to lose too, but they will accept their losses.
Agreed.
Does anyone reading remember the Russian Submarine Kursk? That was the one that went done in the Arctic Ocean above Norway, that one. The media described the Kursk as a missile submarine.....that is "sort of" correct. And the Russian's have many more submarine's of the same class as Kursk.
The Kursk was neither a Bassiltic Missle sub nor an attack sub, it was, to paraphrase, an Aircraft Carrier killer. That is what it is designed for, that is why it was designed and that is the reason for its existence. Aircraft carriers are great for beating up thirdworld dictators and the odd middle eastern strong man. Against Russia or China, they will be almost totally ineffective.
The Kursk class can launch, from depth, cruise missiles specifically for the purpose of neutralizing(sinking) aircraft carriers.
A Nimitz class carrier is truly a marvel of engineering, it really is. its biggest problem is just that, its big, has a MASSIVE radar cross section and is really "effing" easy to see....from tens of miles away. It carries an entire fleet just to 'attempt' to protect it. Just how is that going to work if 40 cruise missles are coming at the fleet at 15m above the water. Oh sure, the Aegis system is there to protect form aircraft but targets coming in a 450 knots 15m above the sea....it would be a turkey shoot for the Russians. Does China have this capability? They know what a carrier is. They know what they need. Don't you think it would have been something they would have been looking at over the last ten years?
This is going to be really messy. The Chinese claim of the spratlys is ridiculous but unless someone can enforce that, they will get it. We'll have a regional war between the Chinese and the Vietnamese (they positively HATE each other), the Chinese and the Japanese as well. But the hubris coming out of Washington just gives me a head ache and Washington's actions over the last 20 years has been alienating allies everywhere.
This is going to be VERY messy and Chinese would love something to happen here to take the mind of their people off the Real-estate crash currently happening. The Chinese government is not above the same crap that the US goernement uses to deflect attention of its people.
Squid.
You forgot the Chinese commies and the Phillipines... the Chinese commies and the Taiwanese... the Chinese commies and the Malaysians...
And that's the Spratleys.... throw in the Chinese commies and the Koreans... yes, the Korean Navy and Coast Guard are at the point of firing warning shots at the rampaging Chinese fishing fleets ravaging their coastal waters...
Oh.. and the Chinese commies and the Indians... and the Chinese commies and the Nepalese.
Let's not add the Chinese and the Tibetans or the Chinese and the people in Xinjiang. Self explanatary, not?
So... at what point does the commie party political regime achieve a point of unsustainability? We could ask the same question about our own political overlords.
BS. A flaming carrier will only piss off the sheeple, and they will demand retribution. Nationalistic propaganda rules the day, not reality. Remember how Bush played the Twin Towers collapse.
Different scenario when TPTB know they will be facing total demise after their favorite war machines are toasted in a couple of hours.
You mean China?
...and add that some of these missiles will be dropping on your home town.
why do you guys always forget that.
this one is going to in your face.
tick tock