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Who Would Win A Conflict In The South China Sea: The Infographic
As regular readers are no doubt aware, the US and China are racing towards a maritime conflict stemming from Beijing’s construction of what Washington has condescendingly called “sand castles” in the Spratly archipelago.
Atop these man-made islands are cement plants, air strips, and soon-to-be lighthouses, as China boldly asserts its territorial claims on what are heavily-contested waters though which trillions in seaborne freight pass each year.
Now, with Beijing set to enforce what is effectively a no-fly zone over its new sovereign ‘territory’ we bring you the following graphic from WSJ which shows that when it comes to sheer size, China’s air force and Navy are beyond compare.
China’s promise to beef up its naval capabilities to prevent further “meddling” and “provocative actions” by rivals in the South China Sea is a daunting prospect for most of its neighbors, which already view Beijing’s fast-improving armed forces with trepidation...
As a recent Pentagon review of China’s military modernization drive noted, “China is investing in capabilities designed to defeat adversary power projection and counter third-party—including U.S.—intervention during a crisis or conflict.” In practice, that means hundreds of ballistic and cruise missiles positioned near the coast to deter Japanese or American warships from coming anywhere near Chinese territory. China has a substantial submarine fleet as well, piling on more risk for enemy ships.
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so the usa says its their's. what's the difference? ask the locals. knowing there will be someone in that position, protecting the passage, they would rather have the chinese rather than the usa. the chinese may allow the japs into the region in a chinese directed joint exercise because the chinese are cultivating japan for some interracial sex. the only way they want the usa there is under a un flag with china in charge of operations.
squid:
Your map is completely out of physical scale, chains etc.
It was created by people trying to shove wrong in the minds of others.
I am a geographer and historian.
The guys in ZH are far above, I consider myself just an apprentice.
If I were you, I would like five more universities, would bring together more $ 150,000 in student debt and returning in 30 years to comment.
hehe.
Both countries will lose, and bad! There would be no winners if we went hot with China.
"The silent missile that can destroy enemy electronics with microwave PULSES: Air Force confirms terrifying new weapon-electronics high-powered microwave advanced missile"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3097937/This-silent-missi...
Well that would nutralize Sunburns wouldn't it?
Is that the same Air Force who confirmed the superiority of the F-35?
Might be similar to the EW system Russia has used to toast ship-borne radars and electronics aboard US destroyers in the Black Sea.
Nothing new or revolutionary.
You do realize that the Americans, the Russians, and the Chinese have all had those weapons (non-nuke EMP) for DECADES. Just because Boeing comes out of the closet with a brand name product at a very suspicious time (and perhaps a new contract) doesn't actually change the balance.
Putin to CHINA: ...wellll i did warn you didnt i?
On a more serious subject i think it would be in the interest of RUSSIA,CHINA and other interested parties to form a alliance to strategically challenge United States. America has become the Bully Jock that everyone at school wants to be like but seriously hates for being such a jerk. As in highschool as is real life the only way to solve that problem for good is for America to be ganged up on and get the allagorical version of a bat to the knee so it can humble itself.
You mean the jock that goes on to get an NFL contract and millions of dollars and cheerleaders?
The multi-decade gas deals recently concluded between Russia and China most certainly include Mutual Devense Treaties. After all, China too should has the right to consider energy a matter of National Security.
The Chinese will hit the kill switch on all our dishwashers, flat screen TVs and electric salad spinners.
Banzai:
This time there will be Ultraseven (? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Urutorasebun) to remedy.
:-)
Hi Jack, looks like you haven't learn any lesson from Korean War.
America is a dying empire being propped up & run by printing money. It may collapse anytime soon . Its politicians have become corrupt , enslaved to money & favors. Its time to go to oblivion in a decade or so.
"a decade or so"...that's funny!
There will be no conflicts just muscle flexes. China is propagating a huge diversion for its own People from its imploding economy. It is just out of too much pain in the equally deformed Western economies, that solace is found in the hope and prayer of the emergence of an economic superpower with a different system. They are not ready and arguably not asinine to crash themselves.
for all this talk - basically no one is even questioning the idea of the United States acting as global police nowhere near its shores, in theaters that have nothing to do with American national security.
I mean - has hyperinterventionism really become so normalized that even libertarian minded folks, vets, walking dead student loan recipients... you just accept we should be fucking around near China's shores even as we threaten Iran and Russia and never really left either Iraq or Afghanistan, etc. etc.?
This is just fucking bananas. Do we have to protect the wider shipping lanes? Sure - in concert with the UN and regional partners, and not in a belligerent way. We are fucking broke, and people are languidly talking of borrowing hundreds of billions ot finance needless wars? Sory to sound like a "liberal" - but how about job retraining so that we dont have to import engineers as our own look for work? What about investments in public and private high speed rail, medical tech - education, all that shit that you might not want to pay for even though the country rots from within without it, even as your more than happy to be a fuckin wage slave the rest of your days to pay off the .gov IOUs taken out to buy the fuckin' gear to destroy Syria and Iraq, or simply to hand over to the Israelis as part of our tribute to that warmongering ethnarchic shit-stain.
The US .gov, hijacked by foreign and corporate and banking interests, has been rampaging for decades. Sooner or later nukes enter the fray. And sooner or later federalized police and assorted federal thugs will be on the streets.
You vote for this - YOU - with every lazy acceptance of the hyperinterventionist mantra of deficit spending, war, and elective wars justified by lies, benefiting banks, the MIC and the Israelis.
How much is enough?
#bringourtroopshome
Bad Comparison in the WSJ Article.
They needed to list every USN and USAF Asset in the Pacific on that List.
Then, add whatever will be diverted from the MENA and the Atlantic. If Team_USA's looking for an armed Conflict, they'll be positioning at least 4CG within striking range, with AF Equivalents in Guam, PHI, and friendly ASEAN Countries. I don't think CHN will screw with JPN at the same time. JPN can (and will, if attacked - Abe & Friends are foaming at their mouths for an excuse to ram Constitutional Overrides on Defense Policies over the Diet intead of debating and voting in Amendments over time. During this week's Diet debates, every opposition and non-aligned Diet Member have been kicking Abe and Cronies in the Face about it; and calling out the Bullshit Act.) strike Shanghai, Beijing, Dailan, and everything inbetween.
Someone forgot to count DRONES. They REALLY need to hire a Vet for an Analyst before putting anything like this on Print. WTF is this, Amature Hour? One can read better assessments from the NYTimes or the New Yorker. Spend the Money to fly several retired General and Admiral Beltway Bandits over (or a Limo from West Point) for it.
GBR/NATO/EU will cover interests in the Atlantic, NATO/EU the Med, and GBR/FRA/KSA/ISR will cover the Middle East. However, RUS will still dominate the Black Sea - DEAL WITH IT.
Since CHN is stepping on almost everyone's toes over there wrt Territorial Claims, CHN's outposts may be hit from many directions. ASEAN may even alllow their land to be used as staging areas. PHI and VNM have motives for that. I don't think CHN may be up to dealing with ASEAN Members pulling off Boycots or hosting Team_'Murica and Friends on this. If they can collectively force CHN to reconsider its claims in that region, they might get brave enough with USA backing.
SIDEBAR Interesting to note that TWN's Claims match CHN's for that region. Does anyone know if they were both the same during the Empire until (post Revolution, Civil War, all the way until) now?
What do you think Chinese were teaching their 1.3 Billion population last 50 years? Yankees + Japs are coming.
That's how they keep nation together, showing them Nankin massacre every week and Americans doing nothing but business with their enemy.
The Chinese nationalism is so strong that if one freaking Okinawan pelican dare to shit on Chinese soil, people would demand sinking the island with US bases on it.
The worse enemy of China is China and US pasturing only brings them unity and strength. US needs offensive of love. Audacity to love to death.
US Navy chief of staff testified in Congress in early eighties and said hypothetically that after war with USSR started US aircraft carries would have survived three days if in port, minutes, hours if in the theatre. Now is worst.
What did he know what cheerleaders of current fiat paper tiger don’t.
so you're saying there's a chance....
non of the chinese fighters would actually reach 10 miles away from carrier, because "made in china" will as always fall apart
therefore the true number of chinese planes is 0
but the us-navy is "made in china" too
I vaguely remember someone once tried to assassinate the Taiwanese president but his rifle misfired. Turns out it was made in Taiwan... LOLOL (True story)
Very insightfull. Posted at The News Scouter: http://newsscouter.com/
The US is the least credible nation to be telling China not to annex islands some distance from its shores. Consider American annexation of Hawaii, Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, The Marinaras, all populated islands when annexed. At least China is only targeting uninhabited islands.
The US is the least credible nation to be telling China not to annex islands some distance from its shores. Consider American annexation of Hawaii, Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, The Marinaras, all populated islands when annexed. At least China is only targeting uninhabited islands.
The representative USA Carrier Group is misleading as a comparable force if China military statistic refers to total China force.
A carrier strike group (CSG) is an operational formation of the US Navy. It is composed of roughly 7,500 personnel, an aircraft carrier, at least one cruiser, a destroyer squadron of at least two destroyers and/or frigates and a carrier air wing of 65 to 70 aircraft. A carrier strike group also, on occasion, includes submarines, attached logistics ships and a supply ship.