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Pope Francis Calls For A New Global Political Authority To Save Humanity
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The End of The American Dream blog,
Pope Francis says that global warming is a fact and that a new global political authority is necessary in order to save humanity from utter disaster. The new encyclical that was scheduled to be released on Thursday has been leaked, and it is being reported that this new global political authority that Pope Francis envisions would be in charge of “the reduction of pollution and the development of poor countries and regions”.
The funny thing is that this sounds very much in line with the new sustainable development agenda that is going to be launched at the United Nations in September.
This radical new agenda is already being called “Agenda 21 on steroids” because it goes so much farther than Agenda 21 ever did. The new UN agenda does not just address the environment – it also addresses issues such as poverty, agriculture, education and gender equality. It is essentially a blueprint for governing the entire planet, and that sounds very much like what Pope Francis also wants. In fact, Pope Francis is going to give the speech that kicks off the UN conference in September where this new sustainable agenda will be launched. For some reason, this Pope has decided to make the fight against climate change the central pillar of his papacy, and he is working very hard to unite as much of humanity as possible to get behind that effort.
It is not an accident that this new encyclical is coming out now. An article from the Guardian even states that the release was intended “to have maximum public impact” prior to the Pope’s major speech at the UN in September…
The rare encyclical, called “Laudato Sii”, or “Praised Be”, has been timed to have maximum public impact ahead of the pope’s meeting with Barack Obama and his address to the US Congress and the UN general assembly in September.
It is also intended to improve the prospect of a strong new UN global agreement to cut climate emissions. By adding a moral dimension to the well-rehearsed scientific arguments, Francis hopes to raise the ambition of countries above their own self-interest to secure a strong deal in a crucial climate summit in Paris in November.
Much of the encyclical is not that surprising. But what is raising eyebrows is the Pope’s call for a new global political authority. Here is more from the Guardian…
Pope Francis will this week call for changes in lifestyles and energy consumption to avert the “unprecedented destruction of the ecosystem” before the end of this century, according to a leaked draft of a papal encyclical. In a document released by an Italian magazine on Monday, the pontiff will warn that failure to act would have “grave consequences for all of us”.
Francis also called for a new global political authority tasked with “tackling … the reduction of pollution and the development of poor countries and regions”. His appeal echoed that of his predecessor, pope Benedict XVI, who in a 2009 encyclical proposed a kind of super-UN to deal with the world’s economic problems and injustices.
What is even more alarming is who will be on the stage with the Pope when this encyclical is formally released. John Schellnhuber is a German professor that has some very radical views on climate change. For instance, he believes that our planet is overpopulated by at least six billion people…
Professor John Schellnhuber has been chosen as a speaker for the Vatican’s rolling out of a Papal document on climate change. He’s the professor who previously said the planet is overpopulated by at least six billion people. Now, the Vatican is giving him a platform which many expect will result in an official Church declaration in support of radical depopulation in the name of “climate science.”
And Schellnhuber also happens to believe that we need a new global political authority. If he had his way, there would be an “Earth Constitution”, a “Global Council” directly elected by the people of the planet, and a “Planetary Court” that would be above all other courts on the globe. The following is an excerpt from a very disturbing piece that he authored…
Let me conclude this short contribution with a daydream about those key institutions that could bring about a sophisticated - and therefore more appropriate - version of the conventional “world government” notion. Global democracy might be organized around three core activities, namely (i) an Earth Constitution; (ii) a Global Council; and (iii) a Planetary Court. I cannot discuss these institutions in any detail here, but I would like to indicate at least that:
– the Earth Constitution would transcend the UN Charter and identify those first principles guiding humanity in its quest for freedom, dignity, security and sustainability;
– the Global Council would be an assembly of individuals elected directly by all people on Earth, where eligibility should be not constrained by geographical, religious, or cultural quotas; and
– the Planetary Court would be a transnational legal body open to appeals from everybody, especially with respect to violations of the Earth Constitution.
Does the Pope want something similar?
It is quite telling that Schellnhuber was invited to stand with the Pope as this major encyclical is released to the world. Did Schellnhuber play a role in drafting it? Has he been advising the Pope on these matters? Does the Pope share his vision of the future?
And does the Pope share Schellnhuber’s belief that our planet is currently overpopulated by six billion people? If so, how would the Pope solve that “problem”?
Without a doubt, most of those that make up the “global elite” would love to see the number of people on earth decline precipitously. This is something that I covered in my previous article entitled “46 Population Control Quotes That Show How Badly The Elite Want To Wipe Us All Out“. Of course the Pope is not going to publicly advocate for getting rid of six billion people, but clearly he is extremely concerned about the impact that all of us are having on this planet.
The funny thing is that the earth is not even warming. In fact, there has been no sign of global warming at all for the past ten years…
Over the years the government and the scientific community have largely stood their ground when it comes to climate change. They’ve been adamant in their assertion that the planet is gradually warming due to human activity, and that we all need to do our part to stop climate change. However, the data provided by the scientific community doesn’t always jibe with their claims.
At least, that seems to be the case with the data coming out of NOAA’s climate monitoring stations. They have a series of 114 stations across all 50 states, which is known as the US Climate Reference Network. For the past 10 years they’ve shown no sign of global warming. In fact, there’s been a very slight cooling in temperatures across the US.
But at this point, most of the world has bought into the propaganda. In most industrialized nations, a solid majority of the population actually believes that climate change is the greatest threat that humanity currently faces.
And since just about all forms of human activity produce “carbon emissions” or affect the environment in some way, it gives control freaks that dream of global government a good excuse to grab more power. They will always say that it is about “saving humanity” or “saving the planet”, but ultimately everything that they are trying to accomplish would mean more power in their hands.
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You're a global elite with virtiually unlimited cash and power (along side other elites).
What's the better route for you?
War, death, famine, disease --global kill off
or
Educate, enlighten, empower, improve mankind?
2nd option doesn't bode well for you if you like what you have and would like to keep it.
Kill'em, fuck em. Keep 'em stupid.
Is that not the begining of the rise of the Anti-christ?
We definitely have a problem, but i don't think that Pope have solution
please stay out of politics... pope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE
This Pope is trying damned hard to get in good with the Oligarchy, ain't he? He just can't kiss enough of their ass! He's putting out all the right propaganda to ensure the continued survival of the Papacy. He must really be scared of what's coming, and how it could end the Church's hold on things.
I think you got that backwards.
I'd venture to guess those weeds reflect deference. But let's forget about Henry.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02870/queen-pope-4_2000_2870951k.jpg
Never seen a man curtsey.
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/20697230/352/normal/2724ccb32eea6/PAVEN-6.JPG
So basically more A21. What a shocker.
Hey Your Holiness,
Actions speak louder than words, you do this:
"Stop whoring for Wall Street"
http://www.showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html
http://patrick.net/?p=1223928
I fart in his general direction.
According to NASA, the Earth's biomass (thanks to warmer temperatures and increased CO2) is increasing. Who would have thought that greenhouse gasses would make the Earth greener.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalGarden/
It took the Vatican 400 years to get it right with Galileo and the whole sun revolving around the earth thing. I might be going somewhere else for my science conclusions.
The earth "Follows" the sun.
...him and the rest of the Italians are helping save the environment by not using water for keeping their shit clean.
Good for them. Fuck him.
This would seem to be Ceasar's concern not your's. Perhaps you don't have enough religious concerns to manage. Most big businesses eventually drop their core business before they fail...
Zatholic Church.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Well, I guess St. Malachy's predictions are accurate....
All religions are nothing more than control mechanisms utilized by the elites. Humanity is not in need of pious, sanctimonious popery, but rather, a reawakening of spirituality which was exorcized from the race by the Roman Death Cult well over a thousand years ago.
Ill take Martin Luther for 500 Alex.
Ill take Martin Luther for 500 Alex.
The concept of global warming is a puzzle piece for world government - the proposed management of the earth’s resources and its peoples which would involve the elites from the banking cartel to their foot soldiers, namely politicians and now the Pope. Make no mistake, their object is redistribution of wealth and political control of all people. One can imagine the Environmental Protection Agency operating as a world body with police and taxing powers.
Václav Klaus, a Czech economist and politician who served as the second President of the Czech Republic from 2003 to 2013, in an interview with "Hospodárské noviny," a Czech economics daily, made the following observations a few years ago about the junk science involved in the mythology of anthropogenic global warming:
“Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution: it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor. It's neither a forum of neutral scientists nor a balanced group of scientists. These people are politicized scientists who arrive there with a one-sided opinion and a one-sided assignment.”
The interviewer asked: “How do you explain that there is no other comparably senior statesman in Europe who would advocate this viewpoint? No one else has such strong opinions...”
Klaus answered: “My opinions about this issue simply are strong. Other top-level politicians do not express their global warming doubts because a whip of political correctness strangles their voice.”
Another interesting question: "Don't you believe that we're ruining our planet?"
Klaus: Perhaps only Mr Al Gore may be saying something along these lines: a sane person can't. I don't see any ruining of the planet, I have never seen it, and I don't think that a reasonable and serious person could say such a thing. ... For example, we know that there exists a huge correlation between the care we give to the environment on one side and the wealth and technological prowess on the other side. It's clear that the poorer the society is, the more brutally it behaves with respect to Nature, and vice versa. It's also true that there exist social systems that are damaging Nature - by eliminating private ownership and similar things - much more than the freer societies…”
The myth of carbon pollution.
On October 15, 2014 Dr. William Happer, Chairman of the George C. Marshall Institute, discussed “The Myth of Carbon Pollution.” “Carbon pollution” is a propaganda slogan for the campaign against...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMdYmAo08O4
No solar panels at the vatican.
The US government obviously has some dirt on the pope.
dont confuse spirituality with religion. don't confuse faith with church. the entire humanity is fucked and futute is dark. we dont need a pope to tell us what we already know.
"don't confuse faith" with thinking for yourself.
church is all faith or else no church.
i believe in god - 'nuff said
Well we agree on something.
Reduce carbon while developing poor nations?
Geez what an oxymoron. It's like saying. I want to lose 500 lbs by eating pure lard all day every day along with some Idiocracy Nas-Tea.
Green fascism is about forcing everyone to a previous lower status of development, watching the people die by the billions, and trying to tell everyone that this is the only way this could be and had to be done.
In the process, endangering mankind with it's very extinction.
Yeah, Pope Francis obviously has a direct line to god as that sounds exactly like the tenets he preaches.
I'm nitpicking but if you ate just lard/fat every day you would definitely lose weight. You can't gain weight by eating fat.
The Pope isn’t the only one calling for a new global authority.
The largest school in the world is also pushing for the same and calling it for what it really is they are looking for – a world government…..
http://newworldorderwatchblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/worlds-largest-school-we-need-new-world.html#more
The Pope is just a publicly visible front for the Vatican, one of the scummiest and most powerful banking entities in the entire solar system. The person who really calls the shots over there (in that three square block "country within a country"), is the black Pope, supreme leader of the Jesuits... the Iron Bank.
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=14960
He's firmly behind the Rotschilds' plan for a New World Order, where they own the entire world and each and every one of us and all our descendants. In that world, the only humans who will live will be the ones 'chosen' to live. Probably just enough to produce all the shit these pigs need in order to survive in luxury.
No wonder this pope was placed into position before the last one died. They needed a mook stooge.
Hey, pope: eat shit and go fuck yourself, you commie, puppet fuck!!
Maybe St. Malachy was right about this douchebag?
Do you think that maybe some of this global warming is caused by too many people on the planet? So how does that square with the anti-abortion and anti-birth control agendas?
Pope,
Christians are being slaughtered out there.
Global warming, population control? Seriously?
Thank you for proving me correct about your position, the Vatican and the Catholic Church.
Wolf in sheep's clothing (No offense to actual wolves who do not pretend to be something other than what they are)
I think the most important point that needs to be made here is that Michael Snyder and the majority of the commenters here are, at least in this field, clueless, hyper-arrogant, gut bucket ignorant fools of the useless Tweeter kind. Quick, burn him at the stake before anyone finds out he has a Masters Degree in Chemistry and like many of us scientists; is able to converse directly with the climate scientists.
i here he is the go to guy for a libyan,iraqi or syrian kids
all fresh from cleaning and processing in tel aviv.
children
church
purpose
pain
maybe since he is a scientist he could explain the weird goings on at cern and gran sasso negative neutrino capture site italy cos it all seems babylon talmud satan to me
Fucking oligarch. He should sell some of his art and give the money to the poor.
Any religion that would place any man between you and God has a purpose other than bringing you closer to God.
bravo
that's a keeper. :)
Amen!
Who will rid us of this troublesome priest?
Ah, the church of the perpetual sacrifice! which shall go through the great Tribulation. Come out of her...
"We need an all new Global Political Authority", yeah one more layer of corruption and bullshit. Stupid Fucking Pope ! He, like most modern day celebrities who mouth off on World issues are just full of their own shit.
That is just what we need - a communist Pope. The Catholic Church has now come full circle. From opposing communism under John Paul II, to embracing it under Francis.
I thought the elitists and Washington already cobbled together a new global "authority". Or am I missing something here?
Bergoglio's wet dream........the Dark ages returneth, or, 8 year olds dude!
In defense of the pope, he did say that carbon credits were bs. And he is the first AGW alarmist to actually mention the word "pollution." You won't find that word in the IPCC propoganda bs report as they can only talk about carbon emissions. Ignoring the fact that he said global warming is real, and ignoring that he refused to mention overpopulation or advocating contraceptives, I will at least give him credit for pointing out one real problem: pollution.
Here is a link to some of my efforts to figure out the issues related to humans blamed for climate change ...
Of course, the greenhouse gas mechanisms EXIST:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14&v=sTvqIijqvTg
How Do Greenhouse Gases Actually Work?
I FIND IT AS IRONICALLY AMUSING THAT
GREENHOUSE GAS MECHANISMS WORK
DUE TO ELECTROMAGNETIC EFFECTS,
HOWEVER, SINCE THE BIGGEST BULLIES MOSTLY
DISLIKED ANY WORLD VIEW THAT CONNECT US,
THE OVERALL MAGNETIC FIELDS OF EARTH &
THE SUN WERE DELIBERATELY IGNORED BY
MAINSTREAM CLIMATE MODELS, SO FAR.
Hence, those models have been WRONG,
while the mass media ignores those issues.
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZH46p7MUlw
Pause on Pausing the Pause
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ew05sRDAcU
Top 6 Climate Change Problems
THE top climate change problem
is that "civilization" is controlled
by backing up lies with violence!
The Pope is obviously another professional liar and immaculate hypocrite, in one of the line-ups of the All-Stars of the Controlled Opposition. HOWEVER, none of that changes the basic scientific facts regarding greenhouse mechanisms, which are real, and are a real threat, despite that we are currently getting a "lucky break" from the more cosmic factors related to the Sun and the Earth.
OF COURSE, the Pope does NOT address the central issue, which is HOW are human beings going to operate their murder systems after the development of weapons of mass destruction ??? It is, to say the least, ironic how the Pope is basing some of his bullshit on science, while NOT being any more generally scientific about human beings and civilizations. The reasons for that are plainly obvious: human civilizations necessarily operate according to the principles and methods of organized crime. The only things that exist are the dynamic equilibria of different systems of organized lies operating robberies. ALL countries, corporations and churches necessarily operate on that basis, and ALL are run by the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, which naturally includes the Pope of the Catholic Church.
IF one is serious about the relationships of human energy systems to industrial, and natural energy systems, THEN the central issues are necessarily the human death control systems. However, the history of human civilization has been social pyramid systems, which were based on being able to back up lies with violence, which have grown at an exponential rate, to become the current combined money/murder systems, based on the maximum possible frauds and deceits.
Of course, NONE of the established systems of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups, are going to admit the crucial facts and address human civilizations' problems in ways which regard those as general energy systems, which could thereby be rationally considered and integrated with industrial and natural energy systems, because that would require facing the FACTS that human systems match the principles and methods of organized crime, because the central issues are the death control systems, which then, in turn, have backed up the debt control systems, and thus there were those REAL connections between human ecology and political economy, i.e., the REAL history of warfare developed human ecology to be based upon human murder systems which operated with the most social success by being as deceitful and treacherous as possible, upon which basis was build financial systems whose social success was based on the maximum possible frauds, since that monetary system was enforced by the murder systems which were built on the maximum possible deceits.
That is the overall SCIENTIFIC context in which to regard human beings and civilizations, as general energy systems, which are entropic pumps of energy flows, which have developed to deliberately misunderstand themselves as much as possible, such as by reversing the meaning of entropy, in order that that would be consistent with the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, that enabled the combined human money/murder systems to continue to be based on the maximum possible frauds and deceits.
Progress in physical science has been channeled through social pyramid systems primarily in ways which enabled some people to become better at dishonesty, and backing that up with violence. Hence, the systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, have become globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. That is the overall runaway psychotic and criminally insane culture that has developed the potential of the industrial revolution. That is the overall context in which the REAL THREAT OF GREENHOUSE GAS MECHANISMS EXIST. And, that is the context in which people like the Pope promote the most euphemistically phrased bullshit presentations of how to change the human death control systems, without ever talking forthrightly about those.
I have always been in favour of global government. However, such a thing, to be more genuinely scientific, would have to be more self-referentially scientific about itself, rather than an extrapolation of an oxymoronic scientific dictatorship, which continued to deliberately not be more scientific about itself. Global government would necessarily be global organized crime, and more scientific global government would be have to paradoxically become more honest and open about its death control systems, in order to perhaps be able to negotiate better dynamic equilibria between the different human systems of organized lies, operating robberies. HOWEVER, at the present time, ALL of the publicly significant sociopolitical institutions, both closer to the core of the organized crime, as well as out in the surrounding layers of controlled opposition, are operated by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, which makes any more genuinely scientific human civilization practically impossible.
The tragic trajectory we are on continues to be progress in physical science, without any matching progress in political science ... Of course, it makes lots of sense that is the case, since genuine progress in political science would have to develop better ways to operate the human murder systems, after the development of weapons of mass destruction has resulted in all previously established psychological and political habits regarding the death control systems becoming psychotically out of touch with REALITY, but rather, runaway criminal insanities, as demonstrated by the MAD Money As Debt systems, backed by the MAD Mutual Assured Destruction systems, which are the current manifestations of the combined money/murder systems that exist NOW ... while they behave in ways which are headed towards MAD self-destruction.
What actually EXISTS is a civilization that has changed paper frauds backed by gunpowder force, into being electronic frauds backed by atomic force. While the progress in physical science has made that possible, there has not been allowed to develop any progress in political science, that would surpass the paradigm shifts already achieved in physical science, so that a technological civilization could develop an overall philosophy of science which could survive developing technologies which became trillions of times more capable and powerful, (and would, IF that civilization could survive its contradictions, develop to become quadrillions of times, or even more so ...)
Global government would necessarily have to be based upon globalized death control systems. While that is theoretically possible, it is politically impossible at the present time, due to the degree that the history of successful warfare based on backing up deceits with destruction, and then successful finance based on backing up frauds with force, have resulted in there being almost nothing but a core of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups, of which the Catholic Church is still one of the most socially significant.
To summarize my views: Greenhouse gas mechanisms are a real global threat, which should be admitted and addressed. The ways that the mainstream climate models have so far deliberately ignored more cosmic factors, and therefore made incorrect predictions, does not change that basic fact, other than we may be getting some "lucky break" of more time to adapt to the greenhouse gas mechanisms, due to the more cosmic factors now mitigating those. HOWEVER, in order to have human behavior be rationally and scientifically connected to the industrial and natural world requires series of intellectual scientific revolutions, which radically transform the philosophy of science, which then applies to political science in general, and to the combined money/murder systems in particular.
Any realistic resolutions of the real problems must necessarily have changing the human death control systems at their core. HOWEVER, that then raises the BIG PROBLEM of how to operate the human murder systems after the development of weapons of mass destruction, which have become trillions of times more powerful than ever before in human history. That BIG PROBLEM is especially acute due to the prolonged history of successful warfare depending upon deceits and treacheries, so that all the dominant systems of organized crime actually doing that, as well as their surrounding controlled opposition groups, are dominated by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, and they have well-developed ways to bullshit about everything, and manage to be willfully blind to all the most important, central social facts.
The Pope is merely another professional bullshit artist. His recent statements are those of classically controlled opposition, continuing to cooperate with the dominate organized crime gangs, which are endeavouring to advance their agenda, to attempt to consolidate control over civilization, through even more lies, backed up with even more violence. HOWEVER, it no longer appears possible that will work, although it did work throughout thousands of years of previous human history.
The essential issue is whether or not enough people can change their paradigms with respect to how they perceive politics, in order to survive the consequences of having already changed paradigms in physical science. At the present time, that appears to be politically impossible. But nevertheless, theoretically speaking, nothing else would be sufficient. Human artificial selection systems were driven by natural selection pressures to become social pyramid systems based on backing up lies with violence. HOWEVER, whether global government could survive by continuing to do that, after being astronomically amplified by many orders of magnitude, does not appear remotely possible.
The ONLY theoretically possible resolutions to the real problems must be radically different ways of perceiving and doing politics, which must apply to radically different death controls, to back up radically different debt controls, so that human activities could be more scientific understood, so that those could be more rationally integrated with the industrial and natural systems. HOWEVER, what I have read so far from the Pope appears to me to be nothing more than BULLSHIT "solutions" based on a superficial understanding of what the problems are.
The essential issues continue to be developing artificial selection systems which are better reconciled with natural selection systems. However, actually doing that has to admit and address the issues of how and why the human money/murder systems have developed to be what those are now, and therefore, what MIGHT be the remotely possible ways that human beings could develop better artificial selection systems, which were more scientific about themselves. OF COURSE, at the present time, old-fashioned religions and ideologies are more of the problem, than anything which could be the basis to develop better solutions.
Currently, we continue to have scientific "progress" in oxymoronic ways, due to most human beings NOT wanting to become more scientific about themselves. There continue to be growing Grand Canyon Chasms between physical science versus political science, and that gap is opening up wider and wider with respect to issues like human beings causing climate change. In my view, that growing gap of bullshit fighting bullshit, all drowning in bullshit, it the main manifestation of the climate change "debates" ... and that includes most of the comments that get published on Zero Hedge under any article that raises the climate change issues.
Climate change is REAL. However, it is equally REAL that civilization is controlled by backing up lies with violence. The combination of those two REALITIES multiply each other. That is the overall context in which the climate change "debates" take place, and why those have become another one of the poster children for human irrationality. Nothing the Pope says can help as long as he continues to deliberately ignore the ways that civilization has been controlled by backing up lies with violence, in which context the Catholic Church was primarily a form of controlled opposition. Merely superficially recognizing some of the climate science is NOT enough, without a more thoroughly scientific attitude towards human beings and civilizations in general.
"OF COURSE, the Pope does NOT address the central issue, which is HOW are human beings going to operate their murder systems after the development of weapons of mass destruction ???"
they have always been part of the system. at times, they were the system. nothing changes. same shit different wrapper
Yes, basho, during significant periods of the history of Western Civilization Catholicism was "the system." (E.g., the dramatizations of the TV series The Borgias, shows how some Popes operated back then ...) Meanwhile, I continue to promote a creative synthesis of post-modernizing science with ancient mysticism as the basis of both global government and global religion.
I do not see how Christian beliefs can adapt to include progress in physical science, without ending up like raw ore to be smelted and refined. While lots of people talk about how the one world government appears to have a one world religion on its agenda, I would be disappointed if that continued to as anti-mystical, as well as anti-so many other things. Rather, the same as how I would like to see global government being radically different than social pyramid systems, but rather more like social vortex systems, so too, I would like to see global religion be creatively synthesized, which should end up being radically different than any of the dominate religions are now, since those tend to be power pyramids, which amount to despotic dictatorships.
If it were actually "REAL", no one would be in a position to question or dispute it, it would be clearly occurring so no one would be able to assert a counter as it would be entirely self-evident, beyond dispute, and beyond the much alleged "denial-ism".
And yet you and so many others like you feel the constant need to touch yourselves, to check, to assert a very firm belief, that there is something "REAL" occurring.
Well, OK. But it isn't self-evident and the actual raw observations not only don't support your now commonplace assertion, it's profoundly inconclusive.
Not to mention that during winter 2014 the Southern Ocean had more ice cover than at any time in all of human instrumented scientific observations of the planet.
Oops ... oh dear!
So you can claim something is "REAL" until you're blue in the face, but if the observations says it's not, and instead indicate the contrary (if anything), then it's just not so, matey.
But let's say it were, which it isn't, then you'd still then have to prove beyond any reasonable observational dispute, that it's due to Human Beings.
Oh dear! Yet again, the asserted preferred mere belief, remains unsubstantiated.
So you're in no position to be taken seriously if you make flimsy verbal assertions, according to your beliefs, sans observational support, in something being "REAL".
http://www.maxphoton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cloud-over-humanity.png
http://www.ukipdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/cartoon_caveman_icea...
It's like, totally "REAL", man!
Element, there is no doubt that climate is hyper-complicated. I "believe" that no human beings fully understand the most important features, which are the combined Sun-Earth magnetic fields, and electromagnetic energy flows.
Obviously, it is "real," based upon observations, that the Earth's climate has changed drastically many times in the last several billion years! There would be no reasonable doubt that there would continue to be some degree of "real" climate change continuing to happen. HOWEVER, (as you also indicated) the issues that matter are whether or not human activities are significantly effecting that, and especially whether or not greenhouse gas mechanisms are changing things, and most importantly, whether those changes could go into runaway feedback loops, after human activities get natural changes going ???
I will certainly admit that after studying this issue for several decades, and much more during the last few years, as I linked the record of doing above (Humans blamed for climate change), I have ended up feeling like a dog twirling around chasing its tail ...
These days, I find that Suspicious0bservers' views are the ones that I most agree with, as I linked above in my original comment. Although I am NOT sure about anything in particular, due to the degree to which one can not trust any of the so-called authorities, as well as that I am sure that nobody fully understands how the Sun works, and therefore, nobody fully understands the most important feature of the climate. But nevertheless, it continues to sound science that greenhouse gas mechanisms are REAL ... although exactly how, or to what degree, those fit into the overall hyper-complicated climate systems is not fully understood by anyone ...
My own observations of where I am living, Montreal, Canada, are that it never used to rain at all in the winter time, but for the last several years it has been doing that intermittently. Therefore, my own experiences are certainly that climate change is real, to that degree!
Overall, like everything else I have ever studied, the more I learned the worse it got! What I am more sure of than the hyper-complicated climate science issues is that human civilizations are controlled by backing up lies with violence, which makes it extremely problematic that "we" could rationally respond to climate changes, even IF the science advances to become more confidently able to accurate predict (rather than be wildly wrong, as the climate models have been, so far.)
My overall belief is that, whatever the "realities" regarding climate change, the human responses will continue to amount to muddling through madness with respect to that. Indeed, that was the main point of my objections to the Pope meddling in that issue, since there is no doubt in my mind that the Pope is a symbolic figurehead of systems of bullshit with ulterior motives, the same as most of the mass media promoted agenda regarding climate change appears to be.
What I try to NOT do is "throw the baby out with the bathwater." Merely because some of the science has been fraudulent, does NOT mean that there is no science at all. Merely because different groups have axes to grind, and ulterior agendas, does not mean there are NO overall globalized problems. Rather, in my view it is OBVIOUS that climate change is a globalized problem! BUT, BUT, BUT, like I said, global government would still fundamentally be global organized crime, and the development of any global religion regarding that threatens to become controlled opposition, working for that global organized crime.
I believe it is possible that we could develop better climate science. However, in the end, we would still be stuck with the basic problems that have plagued humanity perpetually, since there are chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life, which means that there MUST be some death control systems. In my view, anyone who talks about what human beings "should" do about climate changes caused by human beings "should" be describing what sort of death controls systems their responses would entail.
I do NOT see that Pope doing that. I do NOT see any of the established systems and their controlled opposition doing that, because they are ALL professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, and that background problem has also biased the scientific enterprise, which makes doing genuinely better climate science extremely difficult ... although NOT impossible.
Certainly, IF technological civilization can survive its own contradictions, THEN, "we" are going to learn more about climate science in the future ... A lot of the most important advances in understanding the combined Sun-Earth magnetic fields is quite brand new, due to advancing physical science. HOWEVER, political science is still going nowhere, but backwards, since guys like the Pope are relatively respected for spouting the same old-fashioned bullshit.
Overall, I think that the biggest problem will continue to be that human civilization is controlled by backing up lies with violence, and that is the main reason why it is extremely difficult to have better climate science, or better responses to that, IF there was better climate science.
But that is not what you were referring to at all, so both stop the twisted dishonesty game, and also stop playing the fool.
And if you don't know it, or have forgotten, you're talking to a geo, and palaeoclimatology is a standard graduate subject within that discipline and a massive feature of geological work, in fact the entire field of study began within geology and became multidisciplinary from there. Geological history incorporates the whole thing, in its full physical context, of the entire planet through time. So yes, I understand this subject and the disciplines involved a whole lot better than you do, or ever can, and at a level you will never get to or match, as a product of experience that you will never have.
Your attempt there to say your assertion of climate change as "REAL", refers to something other than AGW is ridiculous, and beneath you, or at least I had supposed it would be. but I was apparently wrong about you it seems.
You have nothing so far to instruct me on in the subject my friend, so pull your head out of it.
My comment stands, as it was given to you, and you had better take note of it, if you are to exhibit the intellectual honesty that you would like to presume to possess. Mere assertions of substantiated-ness of the data as assuredly 'REAL', is the stuff of fools, kooks and tedious ideologues.
And as for your local weather observations, that is not climate, any field geo knows that climate trend data and their records have to be at minimum of about 500 years long, to detect even the most tenuous of actual climate change signals in global climate temp data.
So how can your subjective short term observations of weather variability, as data noise be considered any more than your confirmation bias in overdrive?
Which it clearly is.
And to posit that as a confirmation of your assertion of 'REAL', in the context of "human-caused", which is what the whole bloody debate is about btw, and the only reason why it is a topic of general discussion at all (let alone a pope yapping about it) is about as far away from scientific or intellectually valid and honest as you could possibly be. You can fool yourself and others with such crankish baloney, but you'll not be impressing me any time soon.
Consider yourself spanked and in need of engineering some intellectual redemption from here.
(I now regret having passed on the entropy quotation to you after reading your retort here)
Sorry, you regret passing on the entropy quote, which I had already also responded to ...
Of course, I do not agree with you emotional attitude to my attempts to gain more proper perspective on the possible human driven climate change issue.
I repeat that I regard that as being real, although I do not think anyone fully understand the bigger picture enough to be able to estimate accurately how "real." Obviously, the Earth's climate has always been changing, and that is what makes it very difficult to judge whether the collective effects of human activities are changing those changes!
I have never yet seen anyone disprove greenhouse gas mechamisms exist, nor disprove that human activities have significantly resulted in more of those greenhouse gases being emitted into the atmosphere, and absorbed by the ocean. Indeed, I can not imagine how anyone could disprove that basic science.
HOWEVER, that does not mean that those factors have been correctly modeled inside of the overall hyper-complicated climate. Furthermore, that is especially NOT possible now because nobody fully understands how the Sun works, nor fully understands how the Earth's magnetic field works. There is generally no good science available on the more cosmic factors that are driving climate change, while there IS serious bias to emphasize greenhouse gas mechanisms, resulting in climate models which have been WRONG.
In my view, Element, you are not appreciating the nuanced ways that I am attempting to discuss the issues related to what degree human activities are changing the Earth's climate ... Overall, I continue to expect that, (IF technological civilization survives its other contradictions) we are going to learn more about that the hard way!
Meanwhile, I do NOT "consider myself spanked."
Rather, you are the petulant one.
This is what you said:
So no, I am not going to let you off the hook with that shallow assertion of me not grasping or else, "not appreciating the nuanced ways that I am attempting to discuss the issues".
Bullshit! I understand what you said, and the context in which you said it, and in a thread about a pope asserting a fervent belief in AGW being responsible for what is actually NOT being measured, for almost 18 years.
Then you go on to say in retort:
Which is pure (and typical) crankish red-herring on a platter!
It is not the obligation of the listener to disprove your claims of AGW, it is the obligation of the claimant to PROVE the mechanism is producing the PREDICTED theoretical RESULTS within systematic OBSERVATIONS.
If it does not produce the predicted result, it is AUTOMATICALLY RENDERED DISPROVEN, i.e. 'FALSIFIED'.
That is how science knowledge development operates, so it is very revealing to see your typical crankish mindset which proposes entirely the opposite of how science operates, asking the person requiring proof, to disprove a mere claim!
haha! ... you've got to be kidding me?! ... except you aren't ... you think that it is intellectually valid to do that, and produces a basis of knowledge development. Sorry to break it to you, but ignoring observations will never fly, my friend, that is not how science knowledge moves forward. People have tried ignoring observations for centuries, all the popes tried it, and all their crap got tossed aside with the other hocus-pocus of beliefs. And this ignorant twit of a pope is sadly no different, has learned nothing at all about honesty and observation, he is still aserting that he can and does 'know', via a mere belief!
And RM is doing exactly the same thing.
The observational data are not showing the predicted result, the only intellectually honest thing to do is, like the data, to remain inconclusive.
But saying, "... Climate change is REAL. ...", is a clear demonstration that you are not an intellectually honest observer and commentator, nor thinker, you instead take a position not in accordance with the science observation, you opt to take the position consistent with a self-falsified meme, for which the continued rise in CO2 is not mirrored with a steady rise in global temp, for almost 18 years straight while southern polar ice is at the highest area of cover ever observed. We even saw two ships with climatologists last year getting stuck in pack-ice, in the middel of January's (mid Summer!) due to a series of severe blizzards and ocean freeze. This year the Australian Antarctic base was seriously worried that the ice was now so far from shore in Summer 2015 that the helicopter was using as much fuel as it was delivering from that offshore radius, and that they would not have enough fuel over winter. Which has never happened before.
Observations matter, theories do not matter one bit. A person who elevates theory over observation, is the walking, talking definition of a crankish fool.
It's why we ignore them.
So you can huff 'n puff around that all day but your desire to avoid key observations and pretend the otherwise position of a theory, without the non-optional substantiation, speaks volumes. The lack of recognition of the inconclusiveness of the observations also speaks volumes. But the refusal to be honest about it says it all, and is more than sufficient to SUMMARILY DISMISS YOU.
"Nuance" has nothing to do with any of this, that's pure crankish flim-flam, it is just your clear-cut psychological avoidance of the required honesty quotient. Who do you think you are trying to kid with such errant slop? "Petulant", my arse! You are clearly being dishonest with the observations and jumping directly to FALSE theory 'confirmation' assertion, i.e. a lie, that is merely your confirmation bias, with nothing of any greater basis to recommend you position of rank belief.
You even had the gall to assert that my pointing out your intellectual dishonesty and befuddlement about the inconclusiveness of data observed, and thus self-falsification of the thesis, translated to you that I had an "emotional attitude", towards your position! hahaha! WTF?! ... sorry, ... but nooooooo ... there is no emotion involved in my reply. It is a straight forward pointing to, "just the facts ma'me". Any emotional response was all you.
I am not in conflict with the observations you see, so I have nothing to defend, nor anything to lose via sticking to the observations, alone, so not emotionally engaged in any outcome.
It's a mindset traditionally referred to as the, "dispassionate observer".
See how that works? LOL :D
My initial comment to you was spot on, and your resistance to the observed record means you are rendered a reality self-selecting fool, talking nonsense, and seeking an escape from the observation record via the sophistry of asserted complexity and alleged misunderstood fine nuances.
B U L L S H I T !
your views are now actually dismissed
Hey how about the ANTICHRIST that would fit the bill quite nicely.
The main problem with organized religion is that they teach their members WHAT to think. Those who focus on spirituality try to teach others HOW to think.
Put another way, the religious fear hell; those who have been there and back have spirituality.
Thumbs up to the Pope.
Thats some sane advice.
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American giants like Coca-Cola & Pepsi are directly responsible for releasing CO2
Ban these fizzy carbonated drinks.
And its the greed of the American govt & its corprations thats why they are opposing any measures to tackle the problem.
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However the major matter is that America has assumed control of the whole world. It no longer takes the issues to UN. While UN itself is compromised and has become another puppet as well as ICC & ICJ. Who will take America to ICC & ICJ. America uses its influence to subvert any accusation on it , example is the Angela Merkels phone spying by US and Germany withdrawing the matter. All european countries are puppets & poodles of America.
The nature has turned vicious because of immorality of mankind such as homosexuality which has no purpose in natural ways, it can only be explained as demonic possession of odd behavior (in east it is believed that demons enter from sexualOrgans). And America promotes this (it means demons set loose on humanity).
So what to expect when world is ruled by greedy & immoral.
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Pope is right, we need a new global authority other than the corrupt evil America and its allies .
But Pope should also remember that all messiah have come from east.
he is wrong.
you need a grass roots effort.
this global'lets do it' is crap.
where is it working?
All you need to know about the Catholic justice system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Inquisition
my, my all of this from the original earth-is the center-of the solar-system folks.
what a laugh.
Popsie just get your 1.2+ billion groupies to start practicing some earth saving measures.
you have the organisation in place.
threaten them with hell and damnation for wasting food, water, other human beings, animals. etc.
i't simple right?
Well said. They killed guys who pointed out that earth was round.
They also encouraged killing smart women as witches.
Finally they emerge as the real source behind Al Gore.
Maybe they ran out of puppets that people can believe.
Wasn't it just six or so months ago that ZH posted an article adressing NOAA's "seasonal adjustments" of temperature data stretching back to the 1920's. IF i remember correctly, shockingly the older average tempereatures were seasonally adjusted downward while the temperature readings from the last few decades were seasonally adjusted up.
And, as it turns out, that was completely wrong.
What actually happened is that older sea levels were recorded as being higher than they were and have been corrected. The temperatures have not been in error:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2015/01/2014-was-the-hottest-year-on-re...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-01/hottest-year-record-think-again...
Father Malachi Martin, a Vatican insider and Catholic theologian in the early 1960's presciently predicted in his 1990's best selling and shattering "faction" novel "Windswept House" the coming end of the papacy and the turmoil then roiling the Church. Well worth a peek by anyone concerned about the path the world appears to be on. You will learn much.
I seems we are now firmly in the era of the anti-Pope, a new world order pushing "globalist" who carries water for the financial elite and is associated with a celebrated proponent of world population reduction (mass murder).
Be afraid........t's called for.
A life long Catholic.
My advice-
Forget the "pope".
Turn to the Bible.
Pass on the cyanide, you want the much tastier arsenic.
A global dictator. One ring to rule them all.
that will save us. One psychopath megalomaniac who thinks he cab and should control the affairs of 6 billion people.
decentralize.
Sorry but I seriously question the intelligence, or sanity, or sinserity, of people who claim to believe in this religious theater. And excuse me but can't his magic Daddy in the sky jst wiggle his little finger and fix it all? Or is this an admission that no such being exists?
Isn't Snyder some sort of Evangelical prophecy monger?
The link to natural news is batshit crazy - the guy who cant stand abortion or birth control because both denigrate life might be on board with killing 6 billion people?
Look, this organization burned people at the stake for translating the bible. I'm prepared to believe all manner of fuckery.
But a guy like Snyder, and his love of old testament prophecy and Israel as "chosen"... seems more like an effort to scapegoat ahead of the encyclical even coming out.
Major Obstacle To The Rebuilding Of The Jewish Temple ...By Michael Snyder, on June 23rd, 2014
That is, its not that I couldn't believe that a man who seems decent and humble is really a fraud. History is littered with such.
It's just that the more I read about Snyder, the more I suspect Snyder has a Zio-Supremacist {'Luciferian' in the nomenclature of some} ulterior motive.
Malachy did say this was the last pope. Given how the world is - do you think that is a cause for hope of for fear and trembling?
Everyone of us deserves a punch in the mouth, CP.
Evangelicals, (unknowingly) hijack words.
So do people like you.
And me.
None of us are worthy.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Ok. I am ready. Where should I cast the stone?
It's true that there was an Inquisition, but it's also true that the English burned a Catholic saint at the stake (St. Joan, Joan of Arc) and that the Protestants had their own witch burnings going on (Salem, Massachussetts, leaps immediately to mind as a relatively recent example) so there is no shortage of culpability for religious intolerance, ignorance, cruelty and abuse to be doled out.
There are also some high notes for Roman Catholicism. They only managed to bring Western Civilization through the Dark Ages into the Renaissance, nurturing the beau arts in the process. There was a Reformation and Protestantism, but there was also an Enlightenment and the Scientific Method.
I don't buy Papal infallibility and is a reason why I am not Catholic. The Pope is just a dude from that great bastion of libertarian philosophy, Argentina. My guess is that he is a closet supporter of liberation theology, socialism in vestments. Argentina has a nasty fascistic streak and Francis is likely a globalist in that vein. They seem to do a lot of "disappearing" of people and liberty down there and Francis was a denizen of those times. Che Gueverra was also messianic in his ideology. Francis should stick with religion but that isn't his culture.
Should have placed a tax on fuel back in the 80's of course . less demand for oil less money to mid East. No urban sprawl. Less local government waste no big e way beltway projects. All good stuff. Burning fuel is our problem. That is about all. We need reservations for the. Non performing citizens. Someplace like Alabama and such but the rest of society could do well with tiny cars and no suburbs. Should use the fuel tax to subsidize solar. Til it makes enough to cover cost of production. Still going to have metals like copper etc. But less oil means less war so the deficit would be lower and the government would not need the homeland security folly. Less oil would mean no fracking too or pipeline. Just a $2 tax on a gallon and about 10 million fewer cars a year. We can all ride trollies around and visit the country side while working 30 hr weeks.
That's bullshit! We don't need your retread socialism to fix issues that socialism created (see Hegelian Dialectic), we need laissez faire free enterprise to permit price discovery in real free markets. Your scheme is just more wasteful taxation poured into a gummint rathole for social policy purposes rather than revenue provision, which is already unnecessary owing to insane money creation actions pursuant to moar Keynesian wet dreams. Are you trying to supplant Francis?
Infuriating...God forgive me for my lack of compassion, but, Francis completely misses here...He should have named the encyclical, "A King's view of 1st world problems"...There are MORE refugees in the world today than in 1945 & he discusses this???
Francis I have prayed for you & will continue to do so but until the Catholic church truly repents of its sins DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE!!!
Its not about you Francis - why don't you blow the dust off that BOOK that you obviously don't read or practice...Luke 6:42 take the LOG out of your own eye before telling the rest of us to remove the spec from ours!
Let me offer a title for your next encyclical,"Vatican verum Deo poenitentiam" (Vatican's true repentance to God) ...after you publish & act on that then & only then are you or anything you have to say even modestly relevant
The pope is the devil.
More Orwellian BS.
So what's new?
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The analogy and connection to abuse of Galileo is not lost on me!
Church full of criminal paedophiles tells humanity how to control humanity to make the world 'better', preserve poor mother earth from the "greedy", and solve the "believed-in" imaginary climate-change hobgoblin ... for the sake of the children!
Yeah, totally credible ... how's yer jewel-encrusted silly hats and violet robes with giant cuffs doin' these days? ... goes your arched vaulted ceiling need some more gold leaf gilding on it yet? Can't have too much gold on yer throne, frank. Would you like to rule the world again old boy?
'twas said the Church would be persecuted by the agents of the Beast in the Last Days.
So youse are either easily deceived... or its all just fairytales and the real problem is a world led by madmen with nukes and the ability to print money and governments that are willing to support Christian murdering terrorists for gas pipelines.
But Francis is the Beast?
Come now....
who would want you to think that?
The Catholic Church ruling structure is inherently anti-democratic (like Islam, for that matter). No problem with that for a religion. After all, if you are promulgating the word of God, why should any of the masses get to vote on it?
But when religion seeks to prescribe to the secular world, as Islam does and this Pope is doing, that anti-democratic philosophy is a big problem, which is what we see coming through from this Pope.
The Pope ought to remember Christ's words "render to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's". Without the wisdom of Christ, the Pope is trying to play in Caesar's world.
Let me conclude this short contribution with a daydream about those key institutions that could bring about a sophisticated - and therefore more appropriate - version of the conventional “world government” notion. Global democracy might be organized around three core activities, namely (i) an Earth Constitution; (ii) a Global Council; and (iii) a Planetary Court. I cannot discuss these institutions in any detail here, but I would like to indicate at least that:
– the Earth Constitution would transcend the UN Charter and identify those first principles guiding humanity in its quest for freedom, dignity, security and sustainability;
– the Global Council would be an assembly of individuals elected directly by all people on Earth, where eligibility should be not constrained by geographical, religious, or cultural quotas; and
– the Planetary Court would be a transnational legal body open to appeals from everybody, especially with respect to violations of the Earth Constitution
Sounds reasonable. Now, tell me how you would include the Earth Opposition. Because, as it stands, it sounds much like an Earth Dictatorship...
He calls for a new polical authority ? With him in charge in company of the current criminals in charge now ?
Get lost PAPPPA ( sic ) !
How about selling the 60 thousand tons of gold and give the money to the poor of the world ? How about taking a few hundred thousand refugee in the Vatican ? Nooooooo ? It is too radical ?
The vatican is today an organizations whose purpose is to collect physical assets , precious metal and political power .
100 thousands Real estate properties in Italy alone .
An estimated 1000 thousand Real estate properties distributed in many countries around the world .
Immense collection of objects of immense artistic values .
Immense collection of historical documents kept secret from researchers . A modern telescope in Mount Graham ( USA ) ?
Who or what is the church spying in space ?
The Vatican has the secret service ( priest , monks and nuns ) most efficient in the world .
The ficticious mythical man that chased the money changers from the temple would not be proud of the church .... over 2000 years of lies it has become the same as the maney changers ....
I have no faith in you or your fake god !
FTFY.
I thought the progressives hated Christians. But now they'll listen to the pope?
Sure, when he's an extreme Leftist with a billion followers and can bend them towards the globalist agenda (genocide of all whites, mass immigration of 3rd world trash into all white countries, white population decline due to continued low birth rates, homosexuality, gay marriage, gay everything).
...only to the point that he supports the grand narrative. They'll turn right around and say everything else he says is bs, tho.
A good leader leads by example. The pope can start by personally demostrating to us how to 'fix' our population problem. And I always thought they'd play the financial collapse card. Huh. They're playing the 'environment' card. Really thought they'd go in a different direction. Regardless of their excuse, and us few that see through their bullshit, get used to your new borders. Unless the Bible will all of a sudden be wrong.
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/063/7/c/new_world_order_map_by_kazi2000-d3awvs8.jpg
He is a dangerous influential globalist fascist. Yay.
Fuck the pope. Just another anti-white racist pushing the genocide of all white people. Him and Jeb Bush would get along just fine I bet, since they both think Europe should be flooded with hundreds of millions of Africans and Arab Muslims.
The modern Catholic church is just another extreme Leftist pusher of birth control for whites, abortion for white babies, the extermination of all white people in the name of "mother Gaia." Some pagan tree worshipping cult is what it is.
Meanwhile it pushes gay marriage, gay rights, homosexuality as a lifestyle choice to prevent the formation of white families, mass immigration of unlimited numbers of Africans and Arab Muslims to exterminate white Christians in all white nations.
The sooner the conservative Catholics break away and split the Catholic church the better. Let the Vatican be the seat of the African and Hispanic catholics. The Catholic church has nothing to offer white people other than extermination.
The Pope is the poster boy for the next holly grail, carbon. Western banks are movin to control carbon credits worldwide. A new world order able to tax everyone on earth.
With 7b+ people and few decades of critical resources as well as clean water, I can certainly understand his worry. Personally I would rather see lower population with everyone living decent life than insects killing each other when on supply and labor shortage. However I dont believe this "global authority" can be trusted at all. Best thing to do would be on individual country basis:
- stop suppressing prices of *commodities* and let them be decided on physical supply & demand
- stop expanding prices of *assets* and let them be decided on physical supply & demand
- stop using artificial ways to accelerate food growth to catch with growing population(let the population to catch with food)
- dont give any financial support to the families with new born children and dont give any financial support to someone just because of having kids
- allow abortion and make it free of cost for everyone
To avoid populating from outside borders, implement strict emigrant policies:
- emigrant allowed to come and work in the country only if there is no reasonable alternative from inside
- emigrant not allowed to get citizenship until at least 20y of working
- emigrant not getting any pension or benefits after he stop working in the country and return home(< 20y work and (s)he returned home)
- refugees and escapees allowed to stay only limited time until conflict in their country cease or only for specific time, then have to leave
- refugees and escapees allowed to stay only in limited numbers and selected on individual judgment basis
- mass refugees crossing borders illegally allowed to be shot to discourage future refugees
- everybody(emigrant, refugee, escapee) still have to have a clean crime record and no threatening disease(not always possible to verify but if possible then do)
With above laws, everybody will think twice whether to make multiple kids(or even one) and at the same time country is protected from excessive emigration that would cancel its effect otherwise. People would feel directly on their skin(prices) if and how many kids can they risk to afford and plan accordingly. This would also accelerate depopulation within the country as older people`s natural death and occasional incidents should in theory outweigh any new born kids or emigrants. Emigrants would be restricted by same laws so any, say muslim thinking about 6+ kids can only do so if (s)he can afford it(rare). Because of the low young population, older people would need to work much longer, but thats the cost of normalization and they should blame their own parents - we cant change past decision to bring someone to this world but we can decide our future.
episcopus servus servorum Dei, meaning "Bishop, Servant of the Servants of God." SO CONFUSED WHAT IS THE DEAL ... just who is doing the God's work Black Pope Jesuit General (reform indivuals) or Lloyd Goldman Sachs?
Sure.
We need a larger authority structure. To keep all the smaller ones in line.
You know, because if you concentrate more power there, then they'll be able to keep the smaller governments from becoming corrupt, while simultaneously resisting the corrupting influence of aboslute power by means of... by means of...
Just a minute.
Maybe we need to rethink this.
What we need is a randomizer suicide button.
When anyone, especially those in "power" act out, you hit the button and they die.
If you use it too much you die, with some random (but increasing) chance you die each press of the button.
Simple.
While I agree that global government by the elite would spell disaster, many commenters here fail to understand that climate change is real and very serious and unfortunately cannot be addressed without some form of coordinated global response. This does not mean that global government is needed. International treaties can achieve this, but the elite who would suffer economically are preventing this from occuring.
Please research more on the subject of climate change as I think many of us have been duped into believing its not real and that its just an agenda for grabbing more power. The sad truth is that in the grab for more economic and political power the environmet has been raped and we will all ultimately pay the price, but none more so than our children and grandchildren.
I expect that I will receive a tidal wave of abuse following this post. I dont care. As a suggestion, I would listen to what James Hansen has to say on climate change as he put his entire career on the line to try and inform the public about the problem. And remember, that while we may be on the cusp of a great great depression, there will be a recovery after the reset, even though it may take 20 years or so. However once climate change moves beyond the tipping point, there is no stopping it and the consequences are much worse, they just aren't felt as quickly as an economic collapse.
While I agree that global government by the elite would spell disaster, many commenters here fail to understand that climate change is real and very serious and unfortunately cannot be addressed without some form of coordinated global response. This does not mean that global government is needed. International treaties can achieve this, but the elite who would suffer economically are preventing this from occuring.
Please research more on the subject of climate change as I think many of us have been duped into believing its not real and that its just an agenda for grabbing more power. The sad truth is that in the grab for more economic and political power the environmet has been raped and we will all ultimately pay the price, but none more so than our children and grandchildren.
I expect that I will receive a tidal wave of abuse following this post. I dont care. As a suggestion, I would listen to what James Hansen has to say on climate change as he put his entire career on the line to try and inform the public about the problem. And remember, that while we may be on the cusp of a great great depression, there will be a recovery after the reset, even though it may take 20 years or so. However once climate change moves beyond the tipping point, there is no stopping it and the consequences are much worse, they just aren't felt as quickly as an economic collapse.
This is the sanest post I've read on zh on the subject of climate change. I guess zh caters to a pretty obtuse faction of the blogosphere that favors conspiracy theories and right wing sound bites rather than science and now religious leaders with scientific backgrounds. It's good to know a little sanity occasionally filters through.
There is no question whatosever that global warming is a fact, measurable and proven, however political power has also proven to be full of even more hot air, and when not hot air, bullets paid for by tax-payers, aimed at tax payers.
I say they need no more power.