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"Most Liberal Supreme Court Since 1960s" Gives Obama Huge Victory With 6-3 Vote In Favor Of Obamacare

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The Supreme Court has ruled that people who bought healthcare coverage through federal exchanges as part of Obamacare can keep subsidies that effectively limit the amount low- and middle-income Americans pay for health insurance to 9.5% of their income or less. 

  • TAX SUBSIDIES UPHELD BY U.S. SUPREME COURT

This is, naturally, a huge win for Obama whose Affordable Care Law has just overcome its last legitimate legal challenge. The outtcome is hardly unexpected (see below on "most liberal Supreme Court since 1960"), but that the final vote was 6-3 is clearly surprising as most pundits were expecting a 5-4 Roberts-led tiebreaker.

As The Hill summarizes, the SCOTUS upheld a key provision of ObamaCare, affirming that 6.4 million people can continue to receive subsidies that allow them to purchase healthcare plans.

The 6-3 decision authored by Chief Justice John Roberts is a huge victory for President Obama.

 

The case, King v. Burwell, represented the biggest legal threat to ObamaCare since the Supreme Court ruled the law was constitutional three years ago.

The decision puts an abrupt end to the years-long challenge from conservatives, led by the Competitive Enterprise Institute, that have also levied a half-dozen other lawsuits against the 5-year-old law.

The challengers argued that the Affordable Care Act only allowed subsidies to be used in marketplaces “established by the state” – which they said excluded those on the federal marketplace.

As noted previously, the reason why the final outcome of today's decision was largely anticipated is thanks to this chart by the NYT showing the "surprising" move leftward of the Justice John Roberts Supreme Court:

The court has issued liberal decisions in 54 percent of the cases in which it had announced decisions as of June 22, according to the Supreme Court Database, using a widely accepted standard developed by political scientists. If that trend holds, the final percentage could rival the highest since the era of the notably liberal court of the 1950s and 1960s led by Chief Justice Earl Warren. The closest contenders are the previous term and the one that started in 2004 and ended with the announcement of Justice Sandra Day O’Connor’s retirement.

 

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The court's leftward movement is modest, and it remains well to the right of where it was in the Warren court years, when the percentage of liberal decisions routinely topped 70 percent. Yet the recent numbers do seem suggestive of a shift.

The chart above shows how the court has voted in every case by term — starting in October, usually ending the following June — since 1946. Decisions considered liberal are blue, and ones considered conservative are red, with darker shades representing more unanimity.

 

The chart makes clear that the court moved left in the early 1950s, remained there for almost two decades and has generally leaned right for the past 40 years.

More color on today's decision from WSJ:

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled the Obama administration can continue to subsidize health-insurance purchases by lower-income Americans across the country, a decision that preserves a centerpiece of the Affordable Care Act.

 

The ruling marks the second time President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement has survived a near-death experience in the courts, and leaves the law on a firmer footing for the remainder of his time in office.

 

The court ruled contested language in the 2010 health-care law allows the administration to offer subsidies in the form of tax credits to people in all states, including those who buy health coverage on the federal insurance site HealthCare.gov.

 

Roughly 6.5 million Americans in around three dozen states stood to lose credits if the Supreme Court had ruled against the administration. The court was deciding whether the tax credits could only go to people in the minority of states running their own online insurance marketplaces, where people compare policies and apply for coverage.

 

At issue was language in the Affordable Care Act that says insurance subsidies are available for coverage purchased on an insurance-exchange “established by the state.”

 

The Obama administration argued the entire structure and design of the law made clear its purpose was to extend affordable coverage nationwide.

 

Challengers who sued the administration—four residents of Virginia—argued the wording of the law authorized insurance subsidies only when an individual buys coverage on a state-run insurance site. That legal question was crucial for the fate of the health-care law because most states didn’t create their own insurance exchanges and chose to rely on the federal marketplace instead.

 

As usual, the most amusing part of the SCOTUS decision is Justice Scalia's dissenting opinion. Here are someof the highlights:

Worst of all for the repute of today’s decision, the Court’s reasoning is largely self-defeating. The Court predicts that making tax credits unavailable in States thatdo not set up their own Exchanges would cause disastrouseconomic consequences there. If that is so, however, wouldn’t one expect States to react by setting up their own Exchanges? And wouldn’t that outcome satisfy two of the Act’s goals rather than just one: enabling the Act’s reformsto work and promoting state involvement in the Act’s implementation? The Court protests that the very existence of a federal fallback shows that Congress expected that some States might fail to set up their own Exchanges. So it does. It does not show, however, that Congress expected the number of recalcitrant States to beparticularly large.

 

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Faced with overwhelming confirmation that “Exchange established by the State” means what it looks like it means, the Court comes up with argument after feeble argument to support its contrary interpretation. None of its tries comes close to establishing the implausible conclusion that Congress used “by the State” to mean “by the State or not by the State.”

 

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Today’s opinion changes the usual rules of statutory interpretation for the sake of the Affordable Care Act.That, alas, is not a novelty. In National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U. S. ___, this Court revised major components of the statute in order to save them from unconstitutionality. The Act that Congresspassed provides that every individual “shall” maintain insurance or else pay a “penalty.” This Court, however, saw that the Commerce Clause does not authorize a federal mandate to buy health insurance. So it rewrote the mandate-cum-penalty as a tax. The Act that Congress passed also requires every State to losing all Medicaid funding. This Court, however, saw that the  Spending Clause does not authorize this coercive condition. So it rewrote the law to withhold only the incremental funds associated with the Medicaid expansion. Having transformed twomajor parts of the law, the Court today has turned its attention to a third. The Act that Congress passed makes tax credits available only on an “Exchange established bythe State.” This Court, however, concludes that this limitation would prevent the rest of the Act from working as well as hoped. So it rewrites the law to make tax credits available everywhere. We should start calling this law SCOTUScare.

 

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Perhaps the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Actwill attain the enduring status of the Social Security Act or the Taft-Hartley Act; perhaps not. But this Court’s two decisions on the Act will surely be remembered through the years. The somersaults of statutory interpretation they have performed (“penalty” means tax, “further [Medicaid] payments to the State” means only incremental Medicaid payments to the State, “established by the State”means not established by the State) will be cited by litigants endlessly, to the confusion of honest jurisprudence. And the cases will publish forever the discouraging truth that the Supreme Court of the United States favors some laws over others, and is prepared to do whatever it takesto uphold and assist its favorites.

Full decision below (pdf link):

 

The market's reaction is selling Biotechs and buying Healthcare ETF...

 

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Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:31 | 6233247 thamnosma
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Absolutely right, we would have saved billions and some freedom by just paying direclty for insurance for the uninsured (deserving and otherwise).

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:46 | 6233285 ebworthen
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Yes, very much like the bailouts of banks/corporations/insurers and QE for Wall Street.

Money goes from the Treasury to the banks, with the cost passed to tax donkeys and what is left of the middle class, to then enrich big pharma and corporatcare.  It's a big circle jerk and "We the People" get to clean up their mess.

Remember, the Supine Court ruled that corporations are "individuals" - which makes people pseudo-individuals.

The Kleptoligarchy rules the people, and demands tribute.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:52 | 6233367 fallout11
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We've successfully copied the later centuries of the Roman Empire almost completely now. All that is left is to pass laws binding people to the place they work, and stop paying the army.

Fri, 06/26/2015 - 09:40 | 6237255 gladius17
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Ooh, what happens then? That's when the Roman Emperor takes over the entire world and rules it for a thousand years, right?

 

Right....?

 

 

Guys......?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:31 | 6233232 dobermangang
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 11m11 minutes ago

"Supreme Court rules US President is the US Congress, and also the US Supreme Court"

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:44 | 6233316 ebworthen
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Exactly, and CONgress with the TPP surrendered its power to amend or filibuster trade deals.  Checks and balances are for kids in History class!

All hail Caesar!  All hail the New Rome!

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:30 | 6233234 homebody
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Politicians win - tax payers looooose big time

 

welfare scammers celebrate

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:41 | 6233308 RushRoolz
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Same as always. I'm trying to decide whether I want to be a politician or a welfare scammer, because I'm tired of the abuse of being a taxpayer

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:31 | 6233240 B2u
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Unfucking believable...the Supreme Court should have struck down the subsides and sent the ObamaCrap back to Congress to either fix it or let it die.  Instead the Supreme Court has become the new legislative branch of government.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:37 | 6233283 dobermangang
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The NSA must have gathered lots of juicy data on a few of the Justices.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:57 | 6233401 messystateofaffairs
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Remember around the time of the Bush presidency all the hooha about selecting supreme court judges, now you know why it was such a big deal. They needed a zio wrecking crew to trash the constitution.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:33 | 6233244 BoPeople
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Maybe the Supreme Court needs to re-read its job description and then read the constitution ... maybe for the first time, as it would seem.

Then again, maybe they are being threatened by the powers that are trying to divide this world and having no moral, ethical or intestinal fiber, they have succumbed to and embraced their corruption and they should be pitied.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:31 | 6233245 Ignatius
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America just keeps getting better and better thanks to the visionary leadership of our Commander-in-Chief, the Congress and back-stopped by the 'men in black', our unreproachable Supreme Court.  Corruption?  That's other country's problem.  Now I'm gonna go check, again, how much my HMO stocks are up this morning.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:32 | 6233250 willien1derland
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Fast Forward 100 years into the future...John Roberts' "Supreme' Court will be immortalized as the epitome of corruption - Idioms will enter into the the English language like 'You're a Scalia" replacing the current phrase "You're a criminal"

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:57 | 6233402 Mad Max
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Yes, but "You're a Scalia!" would seem to mean "you're honest and pointing out that the emperor is naked!"

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:45 | 6233252 Money Boo Boo
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USSA doesn't have "healthcare" in any form and obamacare doesn't change that basic truth either.  what the USSA has is "for profit" medical assistance.  If you can't produce any profit for the provider then tough shit, go in the back alley and die.  That's the true american way, provide profit to Oligarchs and their minions or fuck off and die in a hole somewhere........great system for the oligarchs and their employees, not so great for anyone else, especially if you're not white and psuedo-christian.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:04 | 6234395 btdt
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"...

great system for the oligarchs and their employees, not so great for anyone else, especially if you're not white and psuedo-christian.

..."

 

a nuther kult marxist success story!

dem bad whiteys

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 21:23 | 6235740 Money Boo Boo
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you have a case of donkey balls, your black eyes are a dead give away

 

 

LOFL

Fri, 06/26/2015 - 09:43 | 6237269 gladius17
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*philosoraptor meme here*

 

" If a society has no health....

 

How can they care for it....?"

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:35 | 6233271 Everybodys All ...
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Civil disobedience is going to be needed on a massive scale.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:52 | 6234338 tarsubil
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We have so many damn laws and regulations it is inevitable.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:36 | 6233273 unionbroker
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9.5% of your income on medicare ? Glad i dont live in the us

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:36 | 6233281 GoldenDonuts
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Don't worry higher interest rates will fix everything.      As the budget is no longer budgetable.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:38 | 6233292 youngman
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In 2016 when the law is in full force and effect.....just watch the costs explode...and the quality of care crash.....trillions more...and if you are 80 years old...you are dead

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:47 | 6233329 dobermangang
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The middle class will be dead.  No more discretionary income.  Insurance rates are skyrocketing and so is the Obamacare tax for those not buying insurance.  I'm sure the deductibles won't be afforable for many of the masses that have insurance too.  So you'll be paying for something you can't use or paying for something you didn't want to buy.  We live in interesting times.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:56 | 6233393 BeerMe
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The middle class is already dead.  More like the working poor now.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:18 | 6233555 Government need...
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Frankly, you are a chump to be a hard-working member of today's "working poor".  You'd be just as well off financially, and have TONS more leisure time if you joined the Free Shit Army and/or worked a disability claim.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:39 | 6233704 Farmer Joe in B...
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Truthiness..!!

Why work a shit minimum wage job when the income will disqualify you/your family from the juiciest free shit (Medicaid and welfare).

Best thing to do is work cash jobs (under the table) and still stay qualified for every handout program. There are a surprising number of opportunities out there if one has just an ounce of work ethic and a little willingness to hustle.

Get what you can back from the beast before there is nothing left to get. If you are my age (37yo), just think of it as an advance on the social security that we paid into and will never see a dime of....unless, of course, we have hyperinflated the dollar into oblivion (probably more likely on our current trajectory).

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:39 | 6233300 Duc888
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It's a fucking TAX... does anyone seriously think they'd revoke a TAX?                                 REALLY?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:43 | 6233317 Consuelo
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"a decision that preserves a centerpiece of the Affordable Care Act."

 

There is no such thing as 'a centerpiece'.   There is ~THE~ centerpiece, which is the Forced participation in a scheme that involves private companies in league with the Federal government, by clever definition and association with 'commerce' and taxes.

It's a fraud on its face and always was.   The only way out is mass non-participation.

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:43 | 6233320 Gold N Glocks
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Hope fucking Roberts enjoys that black cock he's sucking!

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:44 | 6233323 homebody
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Single payer coming until there is just a single payer left - the country is doomed

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:57 | 6233398 RushRoolz
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Single payer was the intent all along. Yet liberals still insist that Obamacare would not destroy the insurance industry. No, it forced an already corrupt industry to get even more corrupt to survive, and then ultimately fade away.

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:46 | 6233336 messystateofaffairs
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Isn't it a well know fact that American government institutions don't give a fuck about the constitution or the citizens it seeks to grant freedom to. If some citizens want freedom they are going to have to look about it without the "benefit" of government.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:47 | 6233339 Skip
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Hospital, insurance stocks surging...
'In this instance, the context and structure of the Act compel us to
depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the
pertinent statutory phrase'...

SUPREMES LOVE OBAMACARE; COURT MOVES LEFT

"It's getting very near the end." SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND

In Defense Of Ann Coulter—Nikki Haley IS Of “Immigrant Stock” By Peter Brimelow, former Executive Editor, Forbes magazine 06.24.2015

Ann Coulter misspoke trivially when criticizing South Carolina governor Nikki Haley’s Battle Flag capitulation on Fox

Haley is perhaps not being any more cowardly than other GOP leaders, but she did say “This flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state.” [Nikki Haley calls for removal of Confederate flag from capitol grounds, by Jeremy Diamond and Dana Bash, New York Times, June 23, 2015].

Of course I am paranoid, but this seems to me ominously close to another capitulation—to the Left’s blatantly treasonous goal of swamping the South with mass Third World immigration.

The world in which White boys and girls were growing up became more alien, more hostile. It was no longer their world. They no longer had a sense of family, of belonging. They no longer had clear standards and models, no longer a clear image of what was expected of them. When young Whites lost their sense of belonging in the chaotic, racially mixed world into which they suddenly were thrust in the 1960s and 1970s, many of them also lost their sense of responsibility to that world.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:47 | 6233341 Divine Wind
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Not me.

For as long as possible I will defy purchasing insurance and go the concierge medicine route.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:48 | 6233348 BoredRoom
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Next take away the 2nd Amendment....because sooner of later, folks will figure out they must shoot all of the puppets of the socialist jew FED......Then the puppet masters......

 

Why do you think the socialist jew media is pushing for a national police force?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:16 | 6233534 Government need...
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Gun-grabbing is a VERY high priority for the tyrants in DC.  I'm a little surprised how quickly they've announced another legislative effort at "sensible, reasonable" gun-grabbing.  Ask the Armenians how that "sensible, reasonable" gun-grabbing worked out. . .

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:49 | 6233353 earleflorida
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this is all there will be for you, mr. obama?

these next few ruling will juggernaut your nuts as that of a thousand squirrels gnawing ones tiny, useless testes....

? count on it ?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:51 | 6233356 grunk
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Scalia's dissent is pretty hardcore. Frustrating to read as his arguments are so obvious.

"Pure applesauce" = "Bull shit."

We are a captured country. 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:51 | 6233363 City_Of_Champyinz
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John Roberts is a fucking piece of shit.  Nothing more needs said.  Fucking asshole.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:55 | 6233386 dobermangang
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The other justices are just as bad.  This was an easy vote.  Should have been a 9 - 0 decision.  It's bad when the President doesn't care about the law or constitution, but when the Supreme court no longer cares about the rule of law, why should anybody else?  We live in interesting times.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:13 | 6233509 Government need...
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You've got a better shot @ justice with a gun than in a 'justice theater'.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:52 | 6233369 Dominus Ludificatio
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I would be more concerned about the fact that for the next 6 years this president and the next one will be allowed to fastrack any future trade aggreement without going to a vote of any kind.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:32 | 6233957 Ms No
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It may even be possible that the bill just completely replaced the Constitution itself, we really have no idea.  The Supreme court is most likely privy to what that law contains, I wonder if this was the case, if the SCOTUS would be allowed to discuss it's interpretation in their findings being that it is all cloak and dagger (not that they give a shit).

Maybe the new law that we are not allowed to see has some involvement in the Obama Care case, I am not sure anyone can even answer that question.

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 15:50 | 6234800 silentboom
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I've heard it said several times that this is a living document so it could be made to mean anything.  This is likely the new Constitution for global government.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:53 | 6233374 Mike Honcho
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Can anyone name an action that the government has taken in recent history that has benefitted the contributing people?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:53 | 6233375 Skip
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Obongo is a puppet, here are the puppet masters:

Rahm Emanuel is the same Israeli who ran the White House under Bill Clinton, although he did not have the chief of staff position. Emanuel has controlled Obama for years.

Rahm Emanuel, who is named after a Lehi (Stern Gang) terrorist named Rahamim Cohen, and David Axelrod have been working together since 1984 when they teamed up to help Paul Simon (Mr. Bowtie) defeat Sen. Charles Percy (R-Ill.).

These two Zionists spearheaded the campaign to put Barack Obama into the White House. Axelrod and Emanuel, however, were being supported by a much higher Zionist -- Bettylu Saltzman, the daughter of Chicago's super-Zionist Philip Klutznick.

Axelrod has been creating and shaping Candidate Obama for more than 16 years. "Axelrod met Obama when the senator was 30 years old and coordinating a voter-registration drive in Chicago and Bettylu Saltzman, a doyenne of progressive politics in Chicago, suggested that the two get to know each other," the New York Times reported in early 2007. "In the 15 years since, Axelrod has worked through Obama's life story again and again, scouring it for usable political material.

Bettylu Saltzman has been supporting and financing Obama's political career since 1992, long before he ran for any office. Saltzman is the only daughter of the super-Zionist Philip Klutznick. In 1992, when Obama was 30 years old, Saltzman told Axelrod and others, "He will be our first black president.'' Saltzman then commissioned Axelrod to create Obama, the presidential candidate.

Christopher Bollyn, 06 November 2008

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:54 | 6233379 large_wooden_badger
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The act was written with words. Just words, words don't mean anything.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:54 | 6233383 insanelysane
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Great day for Merica!

This law was marketed as having no taxes only fines and as not costing the Federal government much money because the States would bore the cost of the exchanges.  Better yet, the CBO (do they still exist) "scored" the law based on these "facts."

 

Next on the agenda for Congress will be the Affordable Revenue Generation Act which will enact a VAT tax but will also be marketed as merely a mandatory fine if you don't pay the optional VAT.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:54 | 6233384 Feel it Reel it
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Is anyone surprised? Lawyers protect Lawyers regardless of Party with few exceptions....The Political Law Profession is corrupt as is the Supreme Court...Make the rules as you go....50-55% of the politicans are Lawyers...Everything is about litigation...Litigation = Money for the Lawyers.....The Constitution, Bill of Rights and The Declaration is dead....Lawyers are the problem...Neither Party cares about laws or the American... Laugh at me if you want....I'm voting Donald Trump if I have a chance....He can't be any worse......I'm done with establishment Repub's and Progressive liberals....

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:56 | 6233391 Armed Resistance
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The funny thing is that 95% of the people upset with this trampling of the law will post their best "badass" comment before resuming to the newest app distraction on their super sized iPhone 6.

You want to make a difference little man? You better get your shit in shape and be mentally prepared to give your life because reality is coming to a theatre of war near you! Stack it, rack it, collect it, grexit, TPP, not for me, Obamacare, another scare, Rebel Flag, don't say "fag", what to do, the choice is on you, but to get to me they're gonna see, either .308, or .223!

My inner-black rapping alter-ego is going fucking hay-wire! Don't call it a comeback, THE PEOPLE have been here all along.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:12 | 6233484 Government need...
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Not everyone is ignoring the continued flagrant flouting of the rule of law.  My outlook continues to increase the probability assigned to escalating armed conflict in the US between some combination of political/ideological factions.  Correspondingly, we're continuing to prepare to be resilient whilst aggressively/doggedly standing for Constitutional liberties.  I dont think anyone trusts our Fedcoat .gov.  The only folks stepping into the FEMA-vans will be the 'gimmiedats'.  Currently, I'm gonna bet as many folks will be deploying high-speed 'messengers' @ the FEMA vans as 'gimmiedats' lining up to get in those vans.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 10:56 | 6233395 sam site
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Just more lackey opinions by the Masonic, Zionists and Jesuit agents of our Black Nobility rulers.

Funny how a century ago justices were mostly chosen from protestants that would uphold our constitutional liberties.

Now the court has been packed with 6 catholics and 3 jews and funny they all have a blind loyalty to our foreign Black Nobility rulers.

View this history for a real eye-opener

Eric Jon Phelps - Vatican Assassins, Jesuit Order, Knights of Malta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F31TmQ9GwU

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:02 | 6233404 Skip
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Mugging Americans: ObamaCare’s Jonathan Gruber And Norbert Schlei Of The 1965 Immigration Act

GRUBER: "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage."
https://youtu.be/G790p0LcgbI

Giving deeper meaning to the term Ivory Tower, an MIT Economics Professor who doubles as an Obamacrat enforcer went to the ‘24th Annual Health Economics Conference’ at the University of Pennsylvania in October 2013, and forgot that the Peasants can watch videos.

What makes ObamaCare politically explosive is that it is racial socialism, plundering economically competent whites for the benefit of economically unviable non-whites: that is why the President wanted it.

This insight into the mentality of the Obamacare intellectual heavy lifters brings to mind a similar case discussed by Peter Brimelow (former Executive Editor Forbes magazine) in Norbert Schlei—Guilty of Malice Aforethought in America`s Immigration Disaster?

Norbert Schlei …as assistant attorney general in the Kennedy and Johnson Administrations played a key role in designing the disastrous 1965 Immigration Act.

It is often said that no-one anticipated the 1965 Act`s floodgate-opening consequences. Certainly its key supporters denied that anything untoward would happen. Senator Edward Kennedy notoriously said:

“…our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset..

But some specialists in this under-researched area think that key operatives were perfectly well aware of the consequences.

That`s certainly the message conveyed, in an emotive way that no amount of factual analysis can match, by Schleis’ sly smirk that concludes this excerpt.

How many other American policy disasters have at their roots Grubers and Schleis deviously promoting their own agendas?
Norbert Schlei Interview
https://vimeo.com/111554555

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:00 | 6233421 Dre4dwolf
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so people expected govt to vote that govt would not take your money.

LOL

I think its about time we make some kind third party court system.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:00 | 6233423 MedicalQuack
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Well the joke is over now as we all know new algorithms by insurers to create new modeled policies would have been impossible to slip into place even if they had been working on them.  Here we go again with Perception-deception alive in the US.  So now less knock off bot news to deal with on the topic for the sake of of clikcbait for the media (grin).  

Seriously though what everyone should worry about are these bogus mediation adherence scores they secretly give everyone and you can't get your score but it's sold all over the place.  Wait till Blankfein or Dimone wakes up to find they have one these little chicken shit scores produced by Express, Scripts, Optum, FICO, CareMark, and more.  Everytime you get a prescription filled, you are secretly scored.  I used Express Scripts example as they are just so blatantly bragging about their spurious corrections.  I can't figure out if the person who did the info grrahic is that dumb or arrogant?  

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/06/medication-adherence-predictions-enter.html

Here you go, CVS announcing how important it is to sell the heck out of your medication adherence score.  Got kids in the house, kick them out as that's a negative on this "scoring" system.  If you are a male, you get dinged for that too.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/04/cvs-to-share-more-medication-adherence.html

You can add on flag chasing if you want as Opereration Perception-Deception (a lot of algo duping in there) is sadly alive and well in the US..Killer Algorithms that folks decided not to perceive.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/06/operation-perception-deception-into.html

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:03 | 6233440 ZeroPoint
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I am shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

 

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:04 | 6233444 Government need...
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Rule of law in USA = J-O-K-E.  This is only one recent example of this thesis.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:04 | 6233446 Caleb Abell
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"The most liberal supreme court since the 1960's!"

 

The sole purpose of Obamacare was to enrich corporations at the expense of working people.  The court has defended every challenge to Obamacare because they are corporatists and want to protect the cashflow going into corporate pockets.  Dread Pirate Roberts was a corporate lawyer before he was appointed chief justice, and has made it a mission to defend his corporate benefactors.

And the stupid ass who wrote this article thinks that's a liberal court.  I stopped reading after I saw the article's title.

Complete rubbish.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:15 | 6233526 youngman
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I think in the long term ..the insurance companies are doomed...they will not survive as the Government will impose more and more regulations on them until they close and the Government takes them over....all as planned....single payer is the goal for the Liberals...and they will get there.....the Rich will have thier own personal hospitals....the masses wil be like Cuba...OK if you need a few stiches.....but a long term disease...se ya buddy....

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:07 | 6233849 Buckaroo Banzai
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If the insurance companies are "doomed", then why are they making record-breaking profits?

We will get to single-payer insurance all right, but it will be after the entire insurance industry has consolidated into two giant companies to whom the Feds will outsource health care administration. Only in this way can politicians and bureaucrats get rich by going through the revolving door to "private" industry.

Look at the military procurement sector for a working model of the future of healthcare. We are about to get the F-35 of healthcare: a humongously expensive, gold-plated, useless piece of shit that purports to do everything but in fact does nothing.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:11 | 6233867 Bemused Observer
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Single payer is the only sensible solution. All those complaining about the ACA are ignoring the fact that the health care system was on the brink of collapsing, due to runaway costs.
Well, this is what happens when you financialize an industry. And while that might be ok for certain non-essential industries, it doesn't work with the stuff you NEED to live.

A better solution might have been to subsidize the cost of med school, and have the graduates work for say, 7 years, at health care clinics, providing affordable care to patients. After that, they could put out their shingle and go private and charge what they want. Of course, they be in competition with the clinics, so wouldn't be able to go too high.

But SOMETHING clearly needed to be done. At least the topic is getting discussed now...it was ignored completely for many years while the problems festered.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:39 | 6234287 Buckaroo Banzai
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If by "sensible" you mean "deranged and retarded", then yes, I agree with you.

Ever hear of the Hegelian Dialectic? You might want to look it up. Because it has been used against you. That's how you reached your retarded conclusion.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:30 | 6233645 swmnguy
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I wish you hadn't started you post in Italics, because then the up-arrow button doesn't work.

Yes, ObamaCare is a disaster for working people.  ObamaCare was written, in its basics, by the Heritage Foundation around 1990.  They were commissioned by the Insurance industry.  The Insurance industry bothered to hire the Heritage Foundation because the Insurance industry had a problem; they could foresee that very soon, they were going to price their product out of the reach of a critical mass of their customer, both employers and employees in America.  The business model was fatally flawed and simply couuld not work in the long term.  So they hired the Heritage Foundation to write a lobbyist-ready piece of bailout legislation they could pay their hired hands in Congress to implement, to save them from themselves.

It took about a dozen years to get Hugh Romney (oops, sorry; it was "Mitt" Romney) to enact it in Massachusetts, and then a few more years after that to get a craven enough Finance Sectory operative in the White House, with enough of a duly paid-off Congress to enact it on a national level.

The "tell" for me was when Obama took it out of Harkin's Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and entrusted it to Baucus' Finance Committtee.  Right there, ACA is not about Health Care.  It's about Finance.

All the rest is a bunch of bullshit.  It's just another bailout bill for the Finance sector.

All these people calling ACA "Socialism" or "Communism" obviously don't know shit about health care, insurance, Finance, Socialism, or Communism.  If this is anything, it's Fascism, where corporate interests use their control of the apparatus of government to divert the wealth of the public into private, crony insider, hands.

And it is amazing to me how many people, by their statements, don't have any idea how the healthcare finance system in this country works, or how much it costs.  Obviously they've never had to pay for it themselves, either cash for care, or on the individual insurance market, or buying coverage for employees and dependents.  It's all very easy to spout rhetoric when  all your shit is paid for by somebody else.

This system is broken, and all the vested interests are doing everything they can to prevent any effort to fix the system, as they stuff their pockets as fast as they can before the whole thing collapses.  Which will happen, and probably in the next overall finance collapse (meaning, soon.).  All of Obama's efforts, those of SCOTUS, the insurance industry, the Heritage Foundation, the whole political apparatus of both parties; all their efforts are hastening the collapse, and bringer closer the day a President opens up Medicare to everyone to thunderous acclaim.  I'm not saying that's what I want; I'm saying that's what's going to happen.

This was a stupid Supreme Court case anyway.  Never should have gotten to the Supreme Court.  It was obvious in the law that subsidies were intended, regardless of the bullshit about websites.  If SCOTUS reallly wanted to fuck the Republicans, they should have struck it down.  Then the Dems could have spent the next 16 months asking the Republicans exactly how they intended to save the Insurance industry from themselves, and not screw 6 million of the working poor, and the Repubs would have stood there like idiots with their dicks in their hands.  Too bad SCOTUS bailed out the GOP along with the Dems and the Insurance companies.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:11 | 6234427 Elliott Eldrich
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To swmnguy: Hear! Hear! Bravo! Well said! Kudos!

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:08 | 6233473 PGR88
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Gruber is right - we are stupid

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:14 | 6233518 roadhazard
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I can't believe the SC even took the case as a valid argument. Four words that get cork screwed into something that was obviously not the point of "everybody" being covered which is what ACA is about. I see words taken out of context and shot into a different galaxy every day here on ZH or any other interweb talk forum. There was enough money to get this one to the SC. lol

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:28 | 6233633 Government need...
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As little as 4 words matter GREATLY, when a nation is following the rule of law.  Since that clearly isnt the case, have fun dodging the bullets.  Bullets are supplanting words in the hierarchy of important ways disagreements get settled.  Hooray!

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:12 | 6234423 silentboom
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Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:16 | 6233894 nolaguy
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How is the law supposed to be interpreted if not by words?  If the words are ambiguous, or contrary to what was intended, shouldn't the language of the law be changed?

Do you not see the danger in this?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:15 | 6233524 aztrader
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The ACA is a sham that primarily benefits the insurance companies that wrote the law, the poor folks that are benefiting from the expansion of medicaid and the politicians that are being paid off to push this Obamination on the American people.

No one talks of the millions of Americans that either lost their jobs or went to part-time because of the ACA.  How about the massive premium increases for anyone that was buying their own insurance?  Add in the fact that the "individual mandate" is considered a tax by these idiots is total BS.  It's pure and simple extortion forcing people to buy something they don't want.

The real economy is coming apart and a lot of it is due to the costs of health insurance.  Money that should be spent in the economy is being stolen by the insurance companies in increased health insurance premiums.  We watched wall street and the bankers rape and pillage the middle class in the past 6  years thanks to the Fed and now the insurance companies are finishing us off.

This is a ratification of abuse of power of this adminstration and lost liberties for millions of Americans.  If they can force us to buy health insurance, what's next?  People are so worried about their 2nd Ammendment righs and can't see that their 1st Ammendment rights are being stolen from them every day.   You can't say anything that insults someone, any religious comments, anything considered racial, etc etc because they will prosecute you or hang you in the media.

The Constitution is being torn apart on a daily basis and the majority of the American people just don't get it.  If we lose these freedoms, we are no longer what made this country great.  The politically correct are taking over and making us more like the EU every day.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:24 | 6233921 TheMeatTrapper
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Venezuela here we come. Is toilet paper covered by Obama care? 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:20 | 6233569 crzyhun
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Adios America! Just look at the shambles of British h/c.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:22 | 6233588 Stormtrooper
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The states created this monster as their "limited" agent and the states gave themselves the power to fix it, by modification or by termination, under Article V of the Constitution. A handful of states have already kicked off their request (demand) for a state convention. In Ohio,we are working to get it thru the house and then the senate.

Subjects/proposed amendments by the legislatures are unlimited by Article V. That means that the first question should be, do we keep or dissolve the federal government? At a lower level, the question will be, should we modify the form of government? The minimum answer to this question is that we should dissolve the Supreme Court and establish a state run supreme court to decide matters of whether federal laws are constitutional. The Supreme Court was established to preserve state and individual rights but has totally failed that mission.
Oh, and if you are not already doing so, find and train with your state militia. If the answer by the state legislatures is to dissolve the feds, your governor may call on you to enforce the results. In Ohio, our constitution mandates that everyone 17-67 IS a member of the Ohio militia. Some of us take our responsibilities as citizens more seriously than most.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:25 | 6233928 TheMeatTrapper
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"Some of us take our responsibilities as citizens more seriously than most."

Agreed. This is the difference between deciding your own fate and letting others decide your fate for you. I cannot control others, but I can control myself. 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:31 | 6233948 Stormtrooper
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And yes, we do play with GUNS.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:24 | 6233600 q99x2
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You have to get out of the US to be able to afford to live.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:32 | 6233656 silverer
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US corporations see their big opportunity now.  Taxes for mandatory services, from car insurance to termite contracts.  Here it comes, boys.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:34 | 6233663 mastersnark
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"You wanted an all powerful federal government via the Constitution, well you got an all powerful federal government via the Constitution." - Ghost of Patrick Henry

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:36 | 6233683 MFL8240
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Step 2 in Roberts (Bush puppet) fucking of America.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:37 | 6233685 manich
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Liberal Supreme Court? LOL! Ever hear of "corporations are people"? Follow the money. Corps aren't liberal, just power hungry for moar an moar big bonuses.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:41 | 6233687 Puncher75
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You can thank the Bush family for the liberal douchbags they put on the SCOTUS.  And Fuck you too Jeb!!

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:38 | 6233694 moneybots
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 Words are meaningless.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:42 | 6233716 Yen Cross
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   Roberts is a transvestite goat fucker... I wonder what the NSA has on that POS.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:42 | 6233720 shovelhead
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We should maybe chip in and buy the Supremes a dictionary?

They seem to have a problem with word definitions.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:43 | 6233731 Yen Cross
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 The best advice I can give is , "don't get sick."

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:45 | 6233736 TheABaum
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The SCOTUS needs to trade their gavels for rubber stamps.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:48 | 6233749 cn13
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Even the Supreme Court is corrupt.

Sad days for Amerika.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:49 | 6233759 Pumpkin
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Judges don't wear black ropes for nothing. 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 11:51 | 6233767 MickV
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This just proves that the entire government of the US-- ALL BRANCHES--- have committed treason against the US by allowing an ineligible non natural born Citizen, Hussein Obama, to infiltrate the WH, and bring with him the New World Order Puppeteers, enslaving us all, and removing US Citizen sovereignty. 

Roberts is a criminal, and has been blackmailed into approving anything that the NWO and the ineligible puppet want to pass (he has illegally adopted chidren, and is likely homosexual). He flubbed the Presidential Oath in 2009 on purpose, then never even administered it in public in 2013. 

You all need to wake up and understand what has transpired. There IS NO UNITED STATES. It has been Usurped by an ineligible executor of the laws. Thus the Constitution does not exist, and the law is only what evil and corrupt men/ women say it is.

Hussein Obama was born a British subject, and is likely still a British subject, under the yoke of the British Rothchild Banker control. We have been repatriated.

Only a new Revolution and hanging of the government conspiators who have committed treason-- including the Usurper, will restore the Republic.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:04 | 6233833 Stormtrooper
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Hussein was born dual American/British citizenship (disqualified as POTUS) but gave up all prior citizenships to become Indonesian in order to qualify to attend schools there. Never made an effort to regain American citizenship. How to unwind 8 years of illegal laws? Maybe start with the guillotines to restore some faith.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:35 | 6234268 dougie
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British subject? Are you delusional? Hawaii was never a British colony. But then, to folks like you on the looney right, reality doesn't matter.  

All branches of the US gov't have committed treason?  How do you get that?  Because they disagree with your obviously far right notions?

Roberts is a criminal and gay?  Where do you even get such nonsense?  His right wing credentials are well established.  As he said, the Court's responsibility is to interpret the law.  If the black and white language is ambiguous or contradictory with the rest of the law, then they go to the legislative intent.  It was apparently clear to the SC that the Congress intended to grant all people rights under the law, not just those in states who accept responsibility under the law.

My guess is that Roberts probably doesn't like the ACA but has at least a partial understanding of his role under the Constitution.  Its called separation of powers.  No one branch is supreme and all must accept the rightful roles of the other branches.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 15:59 | 6234836 MickV
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He was born a British subject because of his British subject Kenyan father. There is no right of expatriation of British subjects, therefore he is still a British subject.

There is no proof he was born in Hi. either. A pic on a website is proof of NOTHING. Tryt to get a passport at the post office by showing a pic of your Birth Certificate on a laptop.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:00 | 6233811 NoWayJose
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All these decisions by liberal judges to throw out the will of the people or to ignore laws that elected legislatures and Congress pass -- wouldn't be so bad if the same legislatures and Congress would go back, fix the law, and pass it. Instead, the elected officials who stand up in opposition before the court decision, suddenly turn passive and do nothing after the court ruling. Almost like a higher (wealthier) power planned it that way.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:01 | 6233817 Bemused Observer
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" If that is so, however, wouldn’t one expect States to react by setting up their own Exchanges?"

Umm, yeah, one MIGHT expect that...except that Scalia knows damned well that it isn't about the economics, it's about the politics. There are many who would do whatever they can to 'stop Obamacare', even if it means hurting people and costing their taxpayers money, and they will use any loopholes they can find...

I'm no fan of the ACA, but it's clear that SOMETHING had to be done, and if Obamacare does no more than force us to have this discussion, then it was worth it.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:54 | 6234352 btdt
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"...

t's clear that SOMETHING had to be done

...."

great, lets's do somehting stupid!

to expect a corrupt system to produce something not stupid, is stupid.

 

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 15:22 | 6234695 Government need...
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What a terribly stupid argument.  This is utter bullshit.  NOTHING HAS BEEN FIXED BY THE ACA in terms of containing medical expenses.  More gimmiedats are insured, courtesy of the formerly middle class.  So the moral hazard of the free shit army to continue to breed and live longer, leech-like lives, is now stronger.  And the calculus involving whether to work hard or join the free shit army has just swing a little further in favor of 'quit that job and join the FSA'.  Fucking win/win right there.  And let's not forget the freedom to opt out or maintain exiting coverage that many Americans lost.  Jeezus, you are one stupid son-of-a-bitch on this topic.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:02 | 6233823 SirBarksAlot
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A man I recently met, who is the head of a company that owns over 100 hospitals, told me that they "thought they had 7 of them, but there were 3 they weren't sure of yet" when I asked him about Obamacare.  He is also under the impression that he is a great American, having a past in the NSA.  With egotistical narcissists like this in control, we have got to get organized.  Really.  Organize your block for the coming collapse before these guys run in and take the shirt off your back.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:07 | 6233825 SirBarksAlot
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!

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:08 | 6233855 cheech_wizard
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At least publish his name. Need a list of who gets put up against the wall first.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:26 | 6233931 SirBarksAlot
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Yeah, but I still have to deal with him and like I said, he has a past in the NSA. 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:04 | 6233834 SmittyinLA
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Roberts the Liar, predictable another Bush turncoat.

BTW Roberts lied about his Epilepsy condition, and the drugs you have to take to mitigate it, failure to disclose a relevant fact is a lie through omission.

The USDOJ either failed to disclose his relevant medical condition before the vote because

A they didn't know

B they didn't care

C they didn't look

D they did know and hid the fact 

 

Why is  Robert's "Epilepsy" relevant? 

Depending upon the severity it makes you "uninsurable" and rather than address the medical cartel rape our govt protects Roberts would rather just cost shift his expenses and his children's health expenses on the much less affluent public than tilt over the medical cartel cart.

Roberts is a spinless sack of shit pussy screwed in to protect Socialist criminal invasion. 

 

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:10 | 6233844 nolaguy
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Quote from Roberts:

“Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority.

 

The court’s role is to say what the law says, Roberts said, which is not always easy.

 

“But in every case we must respect the role of the legislature, and take care not to undo what it has done,” Roberts wrote. “A fair reading of the legislation demands a fair understanding of the legislative plan.”

Given that, somebody should find language in the ACA that is contrary to "improve health insurance markets", and dispute it as at odds with the "legislative plan".

How about restriction on buying insurance only from an in-state provider?. Is that in the ACA?  That certainly doesn't "improve health insurance markets".  It must not be what Congress meant!!!

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:20 | 6233910 SirBarksAlot
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Agreed.  This whole country is going to the dogs.  Shameful.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:13 | 6234173 lex parsimoniae
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Quote from Scalia:

"Words no longer have meaning"

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:08 | 6233852 Falconsixone
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Fuck the left right paradigm. All those bought shall hang by there own system. No need for judges, professors, doctors or lawyers in a perfect oligarchy.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:10 | 6233861 Fukushima Fricassee
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No rule of law left, fuck thier corrupt system.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:18 | 6233902 Ms No
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This SCOTUS is such a cesspool of malignance.  So much for the separation of powers, I guess the founders were hoping that the citizenry would not become complete idiots.  It doesn't matter how great of a system is developed when it is overseen by morons.

The founders knew this would happen to us and they knew who exactly who would be responsible for the destruction of America, they warned about it repeatedly. The supreme court is far more guilty than the zionist bankers.  Bankers never swore an allegiance to the Constitution the, supreme court did.

These laws are illegal and should not be followed.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:21 | 6233912 Amy G. Dala
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Dr. StrangeGruber, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Obamacare

1)  Torpedo anti-Obamacare votes with criminal charges and subpeonas, to wit: Ted Stevens, Tom Delay.

2) Find more pro-Obamacare votes in the seat cushions, to wit:  Al Franken.

3) Construct the Doomsday device in secret.  Leave it to the experts.

4) Buy off any recalcitrant stragglers, to wit:  Cornhusker Kickback.

5) Hold the senate hostage on Christmas eve until Reid gets the votes.

6) Scotus:  it's not a penalty . . .it's a tax!

7) Scotus: "established by the state" . . . or, not established by the state.  We know what you guys meant.

So, coming soon to a SCOTUS ruling near you!  " . . .shall not be abridged" . . .unless!  " . . .shall make no post facto laws" . . . except!  ". . .within the contiguous borders of" . . .or not!

Let the Lawyer Games begin!

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:51 | 6233922 Ms No
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I wonder if it's possible that the fast track TPP, or whatever they are calling it now, had anything pertaining to Obama Care in it.  It wouldn't appear to have any relevance but they way they hide things in bills as well as hiding the bills themselves....who knows.

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:35 | 6233966 HEY YOU
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IF we could get all the Rep/Con/Tea, Libertarian, RightWingNut individuals & businesses off all Socialist, Redistribution Big Govt. programs,would it help?

My IQ is one point higher than Democratic & Republican voters.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:41 | 6233982 detached.amusement
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Stopped reading at "legitimate legal challenge"....this is another new invention of government rights, they were the ones with the burden of proof to show it was even legal or constitutional to begin with, and they just laughed that notion off!

Ergo, ALL legal challenges are legitimate, because there was no legal leg to stand on to begin with.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:51 | 6234044 MickV
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The "ACA" had to say "established by the state" because the Federal government is not allowed to coerce the states to expand Madicaid. It can entice, but not coerce. Roberts even said in the previous ruling that the leghality of the act will hinge on the states acceptance of it and their creation of state exchanges.

Those words were not an "accident" and meant exactly what they said. Roberts disregarded his own words from the Sibellius ruling. He is a blackmailed criminal.

 

HANG THEM ALL

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:58 | 6234367 Zymurguy
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I'm absolutely certain he's been completely coopted... either by bribe or blackmail.  The man no longer is in control of his soul.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:54 | 6234056 windcatcher
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The Robert’s Supreme Court are fascist cultivated TRAITORS to our American democracy and our constitution. The court is subject to, and serves the fascist takeover and the New World Order that the fascist (merger of multinational corporate monopoly with government) secret trade deal delivers.

The fascist secret trade deal will morph the Washington Empire of Debt, Fraud and Chaos into the New World Order Empire of Debt, Fraud and Chaos that will have laws that supersedes American sovereignty as a nation, Congress, Supreme Court and American Laws; it’s a total fascist takeover by bankster criminals.

The Robert’s Supreme Court are secret FASCIST.

Democracy: government of, for and by the People.

Fascist: government of, for and by the monopoly multinational corporations.

Fascist are totalitarian that rule with their boot on the neck of their subjects. You are no longer regarded as an individual human, but as a subject to a higher order; specifically a debt slave subject to the fascist corporate masters. Worthless debt slaves will be too much liability and will be eliminated to trim the corporate profit line. How about American sausage, made from really fat Americans and old people; wouldn’t that fulfill their fascist corporate fiduciary responsibility without morality toward humanity or our Earth?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 12:56 | 6234073 Ms No
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If you take one look at this psychopathic president and handlers, then consider all he has done, thirdly consider that Obama care by the king's own admission was to be one of his greatest accomplishments......

it becomes easy to come to the conclusion that a whole lot of people are going to die from this. 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:33 | 6234256 geekz_rule
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"all he has done"

im no obummer fan by any means, but are you a complete fucking fuck dyansty faux idiot?

lmao

seriously. the WH is largely been nothing but Bush3. period. increase your fucking prozac, k? and turn off the faux, its obviously impairing you

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 17:44 | 6235157 Ms No
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You are a complete idiot.  Obama is a mass murderer and everyone knows this.  While the US is exceptional in tauma care many of our stats are terrible.  The US medical system is the third leading cause of death in the US.  But if you or anyone else wants to defend Obama and climb over each other for access to a predatory and dangerous medical system.. be my guest. 

Fuck, Viox alone killed at least 40,000!  Add hospital errors (we haven't even begun yet) acount for at least a half million!   American's also pay the highest medical prices in the world.  People need to wake up.    

http://journals.lww.com/journalpatientsafety/Fulltext/2013/09000/A_New,_Evidence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx

http://whistleblower.org/vioxx-david-graham

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/26/death-by-m...

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:07 | 6234130 newworldorder
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The Supremes bent a lot of pretzels to come to this "wordsmith" decision. They did not do so in legal terms but used the Clinton playboodk of argruing what a "state is."

To argue about what a "state" is as it applies to Obama care, is beyond prepostirous. They are no more legal interpeters of the Constitution than the average American on the street.

They have politized themselves and over half of US population is cheering them on.

We have crossed the boundaries of the "Twilight Zone." and are now on Uncharted territory of the human mind.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:10 | 6234155 lex parsimoniae
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So, they ruled as we all expected they would for all the reasons posted & re-posted below. Reality.

Smart money complies with the requirement but, not by buying into the insurance pool scam, there are other options (hint: medical sharing). This method accomplishes all the right objectives; pretty much forces one to take responsibilty for one's health while providing for major medical expense if it should be needed, cost is low, and it starves. their. system. to. death.

I'll stay off their radar & wait for the ship to finally sink, it's been taking on water for some time now..

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:20 | 6234210 gwar5
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Complete madness. There are no laws or rules, only rulers. The Pope and now SCOTUS have gone batshit crazy. Words no longer have any meaning. There is no light at the end of the tunnel because this is the end.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:27 | 6234236 Not if_ But When
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Are you talking about the same Supreme Court that handed Bush the election over Gore to cement the tremendous growth of terrorism due to Bush's (policies) and authored the Citizen's United decision.  It could certainly be described in some fashion, but I would not select the word "liberal".

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:29 | 6234242 geekz_rule
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"most liberal"

 

lol

LOL

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fake L vs fake C, fake D vs fake R.. anyone with 2 brains cell left knows this is all fucking theater. come on man. jfc

is this a fucking joke?

ACA is the March to Private, monoply healthcare. shit for the people, mad profits for the "investor class"

which tyler is posting today? sean hannity? dafuq?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:33 | 6234254 SocialistPig
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Lest we forget, John Roberts was a Bush's appointee.

Read ny lips, no more Bushes!


Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:58 | 6234343 Lynn Trainor
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Spot on!  [This comment is at the top when it was supposed to be a response to another comment].

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 13:56 | 6234359 Zymurguy
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Legal relativism... add this to the list.

 

(social relativism, racial relativism, gender relativism, moral relativism...)

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:59 | 6234623 TeethVillage88s
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Ok let's expand the list.

- cross cultural sensitivity, moral relativism, aesthetic relativism, social constructionism, and cognitive relativism.

Cultural relativism is the principle that an individual human's beliefs and activities should be understood by others in terms of that individual's own culture.

If Roberts had Fixed US Health Care, his ruling would make more sense.

- The Intention of the Law is relevant, but is not prime in interpretation of the Law
- Maybe viewing intention of ACA as an attempt to fix expensive, monopolistic, corrupt, Extortive, Racketeering, unsafe, unscientific, for high-profit Gouging, Health Care... and seeing it fail... we should Repeal ACA

As I see it Lawyers make a career out of nitpicking and tearing apart laws including the US Constitution. That is why I say we need Term Limits on Lawyers, Bankers, Lobbyists, and Politicians. And today I want to add to that list Career Federal Servants: If a person serves in the military, then goes to civil service, then goes to work at the post office, then gets a cushy job at the VA doing nothing but spending money and signing contracts that is too much. It is like Triple Dipping.

I understand there is need to look at the Intention of Laws passed to keep Lawyers and judges and lobbyist from screwing everything up. Like our US Constitution. We say the Intention in forming the USA was Independence from Big European Powers. We set out to create Freedom, Liberty, Equality, Justice, Rule ourselves, a Government of the People, by the people, and for the people.

- What we have today is government by Lobbyist, Gift Giving, Favors for Favors, Cronyism, and Influence by hidden wealthy powers (some probably in Europe and the Middle East).

- Wealth Controls our Government, Health Care Prices, Foreign Wars, MIC, Finance & Taxes

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:04 | 6234392 Lynn Trainor
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The government we now have is the very kind our Founding Fathers were trying to protect us against.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:26 | 6234476 Marley
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Isn't it great!  Noticed all the corporate owned justices voted against it. 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:40 | 6234535 rejected
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The Executive dictates

The Supremo's rubber stamp

The Con-gress haven't a clue.

Make sure you vote for the next Dictator in Command. Remember,,, your vote counts,,, many times in some cases.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:39 | 6234536 TeethVillage88s
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To Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Chief Justice John Roberts:

- It is not Affordable Heath Care
- It is the Most Expensive Health Care in the World
- It is Racket where Tax Payer Money is Extracted and Transferred to Big Pharma and the Health Industry
- Pull you head out of your ass

Haven't Driven in Years?
Most Expensive Vacations of any Sitting US President?
Supported Human Rights Abuses, Endless War, Created Misery for untold Millions through Prosecution of Dirty Wars?
Trash Individual & Civil Rights & the US Constitution and you want to claim some Moral Authority?

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:43 | 6234549 rejected
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"It is Racket where Tax Payer Money is Extracted and Transferred to Big Pharma and the Health Industry"

 

Take a wild guess who was heavily involved in the TPP debacle, soon to rear it's ugly head.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:56 | 6234610 mademesmile
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I was in an argument with an idiot who had the nerve to use the phrase "Cadillac plan"

Unknown to them, my family's "Cadillac Plan" was obliterated by Obamacare. You see, having a plan that only has a $75 ER deductible was unfair, so that got jacked to $200. Oh, and there is the small issue of now having a 10% out of pocket - up to $2,000 per person and $6,000 per family, per year. So far I've spent $2,600 MORE this year then in 2014.

The UNION that is responsible for the healthcare benefits didn't even have the decency to apologize to the 35,000 members who they demanded to vote for Obama. The old was part of a bargaining package that people got in lieu of a raise.  This stole money that was already agreed on.

The whole thing is sick, sick sick

 

 

 

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 15:53 | 6234813 Newspeaktogo
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In other words, a family is subsidized $1000.00 monthly by the Gubm'nt.The family pays in another $300 a month. Now, $1300.00 a month is what I was paying for a plan prior to Obamashitcare that had a $500.00 deductible. My deductible today is $6000.00 a year. And so today I am paying 1300 a month for a plan that was a catastrophic prior to the travesty we have today.So yea, Insurance and Pharma are getting rich, and the gubm't makes sure it gets taxpayer to make em rich. Meanwhile, the further up the ass we are penetrated by the long arm.   

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 14:59 | 6234627 Clesthenes
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Future “cases will publish forever the discouraging truth that the Supreme Court of the US favors some laws over others, and is prepared to do whatever it takes to uphold and assist its favorites.”

Correction: ‘ALL courts, states and federal, “favor some laws over others…”

In this case, and probably all cases, American courts will “do whatever it takes to uphold” any prosecution or defense that results in protection of government pensions and stolen booty.

A particular theme in such cases is the aim to decease private workers as quickly as possible after they retire.  Killing them, you see, enables private retirement system (Social Security) to function another day; thereby putting off the day of reckoning relative to the plunder of some $2.7 trillion from the SS trust fund.

This, of course, is distinct from public retirement systems (PRS), organized for special districts and cities, counties and states, schools (K thru 12) and universities.

Differences between the two?  Retirees under SS rarely receive more than $1,500/month; under PRS, grunt bureaucrats, $3K-$6K/month; department heads and judges, $15,000-$25,000/month.

Under SS, workers must wait until they’re 66 before eligible for their peanuts; under PRS, they become eligible after 5 years, 20 years for full payment.

The best part is that the private worker funds every monthly check received by government employee.

As noted, some $2.7 trillion has been looted from SS trust fund thru “investment” in US Treasuries.  PRS trust funds are invested in stocks and bonds, land and real estate, domestic and foreign.  When these portfolios suffer losses from year to year, PRS fund managers scream their heads off demanding losses be passed on to nearest taxpayers; when such funds show profits… yeah, you guessed right.

And more, in the early 1990’s, a California judge ruled that state PRS had to bring fund assets up to 100% of future liabilities.

Solution?  Pension Obligation Bonds: the government entity in question would sell such bonds to the public; money transferred to PRS fund; bonds written off as expenses against tax collections.

Oh, what suckers taxpayers are.

Then there are interest-free mortgages for bureaucrats, so they can live in million dollar mansions, befitting of their status as privileged thieves; and, don’t overlook the $300 to $500 in miscellaneous benefits every month (for active and retired), courtesy of those aforementioned suckers.

There is, of course, more to this story (one and two).

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 15:46 | 6234779 robertocarlos
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Let's say Obamacare lost 5-4 in the Supreme Court. No problemo, you just add Supreme Court judges until you win 8-7.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 16:36 | 6234954 skunzie
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That ruling and Obamatrade are the final two nails in the coffin of the former United States.  The country is dead.  Long live the country.

Thu, 06/25/2015 - 16:50 | 6234985 Gab Timov
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Thu, 06/25/2015 - 23:13 | 6236080 butchtrucks
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Obamacare is an outrageous attempt to foist a Soviet-style communist health care system onto the American public.

Scalia and the other dissenting SCOTUS judges recognize the fact that in this country good health is not a birth-right – it is a privilege – and a privilege that should only be available to those who can afford to pay for their own insurance.

We should not try and emulate socialist hell-holes like Australia, Canada or Scandinavia where every dead-beat can access free public health systems regardless of whether they’ve saved up to pay for it or not.

The US got to be great through people standing on their own two feet and taking responsibility for their own health and wellbeing. Not ONE DIME of our taxes should go towards supporting socialized free health care for those too lazy, poor, old, or stupid to look after themselves.

The next GOP president needs to OUTLAW Obamacare as soon as they take office. They also need to OUTLAW the other socialist programs in this country including Medicare, VA, Medicaid and Social Security. These government-run programs are just pandering to people’s laziness and lack of personal responsibility and are totally un-American.

Medicare in particular is the worst socialist program ever introduced in this country (by another socialist Dem President – Lyndon Johnson in 1965). It’s a single payer government run program funded from taxes paid by YOU AND ME – to support old sick people we don’t even know.

Back in the ’60s the GOP fought long and hard to prevent this communistic system becoming law. As Ronald Reagan said at the time the Dems were trying to force this thing through “If you and I don’t stop Medicare then one of these days we are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.”  And look where we are now.  Exactly where Reagan warned us we would be.

George HW Bush Described Medicare in 1964 as “socialized medicine at its worst” and. Same with Barry Goldwater who said: “Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink.”

Social Security is another Communist program that needs to be abolished right now. Did you know that the U.S. Social Security program is the largest government program in the world and the single greatest expenditure in the federal budget, accounting for 20.8% of the total budget? Needless to say it was introduced by yet another socialistic Democrat President – Franklin Roosevelt back in the 1930s. And what is ‘social security’ ? It’s nothing but a program to take hard-earned money from the likes of you and me to allow lazy old people who didn’t bother to save for their retirement during their working years to live high on the hog.

The sooner we get a proper conservative GOP president the better - somone who has the balls to abolish Obamacare and start unwiding the other socialist and communistical atrocities such as social security, Medicare, Medicade and VA.



 

Fri, 06/26/2015 - 00:15 | 6236204 onmail
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Health insurance is a big scam.

Hospitals make big money for treating imaginary diseases.

As well as the insurance cos. which get free money 

The end user is the looser, he is saddled with imaginary diseases on his record. 

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Its not Obamacare, its the Shylock wanting his Pound of Flesh

Becuz Obamma is playing in the hands of  cabal banksters 

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