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The Greek day of decision has arrived, and with it so did the Greek finance minister at his local voting booth...

... who then proceeded to enshrine today's referendum vote as a holy moment for Greece:

"Today, after five years of failure, the Greek people have the opportunity to decide on the last ultimatum of the Eurogroup, the institutions and our partners. This is about a holy moment. A moment of hope for the whole of Europe. A moment that gives hope to Europe that the common currency and democracy can co-exist, and they do co-exist "

 

His boss, Tsipras, who has framed the referendum as a matter of national dignity and the future course of Europe, was less religious: "As of tomorrow we will have opened a new road for all the peoples of Europe,” he said after voting in Athens, “a road that leads back to the founding values of democracy and solidarity in Europe.” A ‘No’ vote, he said, “will send a message of determination, not only to stay in Europe but to live with dignity in Europe.”

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras waves outside at a polling station in Athens, Greece July 5, 2015



The backdrop is all too familiar to most: Greeks are voting whether to accept or reject the tough terms of an aid offer - which has since been withdrawn - in a referendum that will determine their future in Europe’s common currency. As Reuters puts it, "held against a backdrop of default, shuttered banks and threats of financial apocalypse, the vote was too close to call and looked certain to herald yet more turbulence whichever way it went."

While Syriza's position is clear, it is now up to the people. Some want a clean break: "I voted 'No' to the 'Yes' that our European partners insist I choose," said Eleni Deligainni, 43, in Athens. "I have been jobless for nearly four years and was telling myself to be patient ... but we've had enough deprivation and unemployment." Angry and exhausted after five years of pension cuts, falling living standards and rising taxes, Greeks now face closed banks, rationed ATM withdrawals and the prospect of the country literally running out of cash.

Others want to remain under the control of the Eurogroup, even if it means no hope of a long-term recovery, as long as it makes the current pain bearable:

“You call this dignity, to stand in line at teller machines for a few euros?” asked pensioner Yannis Kontis, 76, after voting in the capital. “I voted 'Yes' so we can stay with Europe.”

Pensioners besieging bank gates to claim their retirement benefits, only to leave empty-handed and in tears, have become a symbol of the nation's dramatic fall over the past decade, from the heady days of the 2004 Athens Olympics to the ignominy of bankruptcy and bailout.

Anxious Greeks rallying for a 'Yes' vote say Greece has been handed a raw deal but that the alternative, a collapse of the banks and a return of the old drachma currency, would be far worse.

The ‘No’ camp says Greece cannot afford more of the austerity that has left one in four without a job.

The polls close at 7pm local time (noon Eastern) at which point one of two things will happen: as we get a clear picture of whether the Nais or Oxis are in front, it will either mean that the ECB's decision on what to do with the ELA's all important collateral cuts becomes front and center with Europarliament president Schultz threatening Greece that as soon as they vote No, they will have to go back to the drachma,  or else the Syriza government will have to resign.

“If they (Greeks) say ‘No’, they will have to introduce another currency after the referendum because the euro is not available as a means of payment. And how are they going to pay salaries? How are they going to pay pensions?”" Martin Schulz, the president of the European Parliament, said in remarks broadcast on Germany’s Deutschlandfunk radio on Sunday.

As Reuters notes, If Greeks vote 'Yes' to the bailout, the government is likely to fall -- triggering a new chapter of uncertainty as political parties try to cobble together a national unity government to keep talks with lenders going until elections are held.

European creditors have said a 'Yes' vote will resurrect hopes of aid to Greece. A ‘No’, they say, will represent rejection of the rules that bind the euro zone nations, and may dash hopes of a negotiated deal to keep Greece within the euro.

The worst case may be the lack of a decisive outcome: An inconclusive result may sow further confusion, with the potential for violent protests. "The nightmare result would be 51-49 percent in either direction," a senior German official said. "And the chances of this are not insignificant."

For now, we wait as do all of the people shown below, whose last remaining asset may be hope.

Reuters photos from across Greece:

 

A woman enters a voting station before casting her ballot during a referendum in Athens, Greece, July 5, 2015. REUTERS

A young boy (C) kisses a ballot as he exits a voting booth with his father (R) at a polling station during a referendum in Athens, REUTERS

A woman casts her vote in the village of Meyisti, on the Island of Kastellorizo, which is the most easterly of the islands in Greece, REUTERS

People prepare to cast ballots during a referendum in Athens, Greece, July 5, 2015. REUTERS

Maps of Greece hang on the wall next to a voting booth in a polling station at a school's classroom in Athens, Greece July 5, 2015. REUTERS

A woman prepares to cast her vote in the village of Meyisti, on the Island of Kastellorizo, which is the most easterly of the islands in Greece, July 5, 2015. REUTERS

People exit mass in the village of Meyisti, on the Island of Kastellorizo, which is the most easterly of the islands in Greece, July 5, 2015. REUTERS

Voting officials check people's identification in the village of Meyisti on the Island of Kastellorizo, which is the most easterly of the islands in Greece, July 5, 2015.REUTERS

A Greek Orthodox priest exits a booth holding a ballot at a polling station in Athens, Greece July 5, 2015. REUTERS

A tattered Greek flag flutters in the village of Meyisti on the Island of Kastellorizo which is the most easterly of the islands in Greece, July 4, 2015. REUTERS

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Real-time updates during the voting day:


France, where Marine Le Pen aka Madame Frexit has sworn France will be next to leave the Eurozone unless her demands are met, is getting nervous:

French Economy Minister Emmanuel Macron says “it would be a historic error to crush the Greek people” in the event of a no vote in Sunday’s Greek referendum.  Europe and Greece need to find a compromise on reforms in the country and debt relief whatever the result of today’s referendum, "We need to rise to the occasion. To the Greeks, we speak of responsibility, but we all have responsibility."

Former UK Chancellor Alistair Darling joins the IMF chorus seeking debt haircuts:

"By extension, it'll be yet another break on what is a very slow recovery in the global economy. Now in my experience, if you want to sort something, you've got to sort it properly. It's been five years now since the Eurozone tried to sort out the Greek problem. It's manifestly failed to do so. To my mind, unless they take the decision they've got to take to write off substantial amounts of Greek debt, and then to put in place a programme that has got to be delivered in turn by the Greek government, this is going to continue."

Yanis Varoufakis has underlined his promise to quit if Greece votes 'Yes'.  Asked if he would really resign if the outcome of the referendum was 'Yes', he told the German newspaper Bild: 

"Absolutely. There will not be a majority for 'Yes"

Bundesbank chief Jens Weidmann says the German central bank's remittance to Wolfgang Schaeuble's finance ministry will be reduced to zero in the event of a Grexit, Bloomberg reports, citing Handelsblatt.

Handelsblatt says Weidmann told cabinet meeting of German govt last Wednesday. Finance Ministry currently estimates EU2.5b of annual profit from Bundesbank.

Former Greek PM George Papandreou chimes in why he is voting Yes, despite getting sacked for threatening to conduct precisely this kind of referendum:

"For the big changes, it is of strategic importance to stay in the hard-centre of the eurozone in order to conduct those big changes in the most effective way. The negotiation is not a dice in the hands of a government in a difficult position. It is the every day, continuous, consistent and systematic negotiation for Greece's voice to be heard - the Greek voice to be heard."

A young Romanian explains why a fresh start is the only hope for Greece:

I was born in the year communist Romania went bankrupt - 1982. The austerity that followed in order to pay the whole 20% of GDP of debt destroyed the country's economy, made the population poorer and isolated the country. The debt was paid until 1989. Only way out for Greece is vote Oxi-No.

For some, there is no change at all:

My partner and I are on Tilos, a fairly quiet and isolated island, which we return to every other year. The only bank machine is giving plenty of money, locals are stoic, there is little evidence of problem. The pharmacy is "lighter" than in recent years, food and drink prices are similar to previous. One noticeable difference is reduced tourism, which makes locals appreciate tourism.

A Greek, Julius Haralampou, tells BBC how he feels:

 

Like in the US, the Greek media is also controlled by just seven oligarch families, thus swaying public opinion in a way that leads to the least amount of losses for the wealthiest:

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Unofficially, the "Oxi" vote seems to be in the lead:

Expect the first official estimate of what path Greece has chosen around 9pm local time, 2 pm Eastern:

 

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Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:18 | 6271566 Monetas
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How about an American Bidet toilet .... with an Excelerator hand dryer kit ?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:11 | 6271385 messystateofaffairs
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Yes will win. The can shall get yet another kick, until the maths of economic fundamentals finally overrules the fantasy. Even if no wins Syriza wouldn't know what to do with it . The Greek people are out of their depth and are without the wisdom of competent leadership.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:13 | 6271387 dogismycopilot
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During the Seige of Lenningrad, when the Nazis (who wanted to control Europe ala Juncker and the EU) surrounded the Soviet city of Lenningrad (now St. Petersburg) cannibalism was a fact of life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad

There were families that were caught murdering and eating their children. The police broke into one apartment and found the parents of one girl at the table eating their daughter. The police found parts of the girl cooking in a stewpot on the stove. (Lenningrad: State of Siege by Michael Jones)

The pensioners in Greece who vote to stay in the EU are almost the same as the parents who killed and ate their children during the Lenningrad Siege - The only difference is the Greek pensioners are eating their children alive instead of killing them first.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:21 | 6271408 Monetas
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Cannibalism is when they kill you .... then eat you .... eating already dead people soup .... and wall paper paste .... is different !

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:13 | 6271389 mendigo
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A somewhat disappointingly narrow referendum.

Still exciting excersize in real democracy.

Imagine had we been allowed to vote on tpp or better on balanced budget amendment.

Actually it is within our power - if only public would stop supporting the red/blue team.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:13 | 6271391 CHC
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With the tensions as high as they are and the closeness in the voting - I would not be surprised if Greece devolved into a civil war.  The ramifications of this referendum are astounding.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:14 | 6271394 Bernanke'sDaddy
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At least Diebold won't be able to fuck up the result.

 

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:16 | 6271397 Monetas
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Retirement Index ..... the ratio of average government pension .... to the average private pension !

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:17 | 6271402 AnonymousCitizen
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They wouldn't let the Geeks vote if it really mattered. Plan is already in place.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:08 | 6271542 Proofreder
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Pray tell, 

Who the Fuck is THEY ?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:24 | 6271417 Duude
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The Current regime campaigned on no more austerity and gettting the EU to give Greece a giant discount on the debt owed.  Thus far, they've completely failed.  At most, they've delayed the inevitable.  The only question is what will the inevitable be,  More austerity, or a giant discount on their debt? Either way doesn't mean Greece will get a dscount on their debt or will have to leave the EU, regardless of what comes from both sides of the issue.  This vote isn't about leaving the EU as much as its a referendum on the current government, nothing more. If Greeks vote no, the current regime feel they've got the support to just wait for the EU to blink. The EU still controls all the cards.  But a yes vote will mean Greeks will blink first and accept their fate. But even accepting their fate now doesn't mean they can't come back and default 2 years from now and accept the ramfications.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:24 | 6271420 HenryHall
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The mainstream media has constantly been bleating that the issue being voted on is Oxi to Eurozone membership or Yes to staying with the EU.

Most Greek people are brainwashed enough to believe them.

The question becomes -

What will Tsipras do when the vote goes Nai?

Will he give Germany the regime change that USA has been pushing so hard to achieve?

Or will he stay and fight.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:26 | 6271430 NoWayJose
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Amazing that the pensioners want to stay in the Euro, and make the same claims that they worked hard and earned their pensions. But what they paid into was the government retirement Ponzi schemes. and those schemes are failing all over the world because there aren't enough new suckers to pay into the scheme. Like many referendums, the question is never asked correctly, nor are the consequences. How many pensioners would vote to stay in the Euro if they were told that their pensions would be cut by 25%?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:27 | 6271432 Raul44
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What a farce, nothing will change even if they vote no dont you get it people. Tell you what happen:

- in case "yes" > business as usual

- in case "no" > eur/usd will drop to finally reach its target around 0.8-0.7, later things get muffed, then start suddenly appearing *rumors* that "leaders" actually may have found some compromise, then they confirm it and it will be another stupid "deal" that fix stuff for next few months(during which all news focus again on the US and possible QE4 which will also start another major eur/usd uptrend) and when that uptrend get too far they switch focus on greece again making drama anew and so forth(or have we all forgot how greece almost disappeared for months from the news during uptrend? as if things got better there or what)

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:28 | 6271435 williambanzai7
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There are certain Euro trolls on this website who seem to have gone intpo a temporary hibernation.

May we surmise that irrespective of the outcome of this vote, certain uncomfortable truths have surfaced this week,  thus necessitating a EURO propagandandist regrouping of sorts.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:01 | 6271506 Monetas
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Say it with pictures, Hemingway ! Hemingway was a literary Picasso .... out with "Victorian Verbosity" .... in with bold brush strokes .... of germanic English !  We love ya, Banzai !

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:26 | 6271819 vic and blood
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I value your opinion highly. At the risk of being labeled a "Euro troll", I would like to try devil's advocate, here.

The Europeans have tried to make the best of a system that was inflicted on them. Past resistance has met with disaster.

I do not see this referendum as a choice to throw out the banksters. They are insulated. Unfortunately, this is a nation state pitted against a bloc of nation states.

I do not see any of this as a cut and dried choice between globalism and sovereignty. Or a choice between banksters and sovereignty, for that matter. It is a given that the banksters will be fine, unfortunately. I believe that the Euro could be a beneficial pole in a multipolar world. I do not believe that the Europeans aspire to be hegemon.

Just as Germany was a bunch of powerless bickering principalities before their Empire, dozens of nation states will never be able to resist the power of the international banksters, if there ever was a will to do so.

Greece aligned with Russia and China opposed to the Anglo-bankster hegemon, an improvement? Perhaps, but the Greeks will have to tighten their profligate spending, in any event. The Greeks have no self control, and leaving the banksters out of the picture for the moment, the Europeans, at least, are a force for minimal responsibility. Like an alcoholic or a drug addict, tough love or crash and burn to rock bottom, seem to be the only choices. I can't imagine the Russians and Chinese subsidizing a higher standard of living than their own people enjoy.

Europe is somewhat more likely to resist the banksters than America, in my opinion. Things will have to be pretty dire in America before people realize what we have allowed the banksters to do. Most here are hoping that the Greeks have more courage than typical Americans, and will castigate them for being no braver than they are.

Then again, I may be an ignorant fool who doesn't comprehend any of this, should read and listen more, and STFU.

Junk away.

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:09 | 6272030 williambanzai7
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WADR, when I hear someone say "the Greeks have no self control" and consider everything that has happened in the past decade including in particular in the US for example, I just laugh and shake my head. The Greeks are no worse or better than the next debt soaked subprime fiatopea. But they are worse off because they don't have their own printing press and rating agencies like the US and Japan for example. 

As for Germany, there are many good Germans, but as country, they have proven themselves to be a 100% stooge state. A stooge state for banksterism and neoconism.

You are right the banksters have already raped the EURO dog and are busy raiding the next town.

Nevertheless better to start somewhere and throwing it back in the faces of the stooges who saved the banksters in this instance seems as good a place as any for starters.

As for the good Germans, I have one question, when are you going to do something about it?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:35 | 6272189 vic and blood
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I am flattered that you replied.

I had mixed feelings about all of this. I am expecting a yes vote, but you just convinced me that I should root for a no vote. I had not peeled as many layers of onion as you.

You are right. This is as good a place, as any, to start. Maybe the Germans will wake up and stop being enablers.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:43 | 6272231 dizzyfingers
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Seconded by me... sound thinking... would you like a write-in vote for presisent?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:29 | 6271439 Pliskin
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Why is Zinedine Zidane voting in a Greek referendum?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:30 | 6271441 godiva chocolate
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Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. -- Bastiat

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:30 | 6271445 Sixdeuce062
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Ha like voting matters its all a sham. only thing that matters is who counts them and how.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:46 | 6271481 mog
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only thing that matters is who counts them and how.

 

Yes.

We have a word for it now in Britain.

Thanet.

The place that elected new 33 UKIP councillors.

A new UKIP Council.

And after the votes went missing for 6.5 hours, a Tory MP by 3000 votes.

Even more inexplicable a Tory who is so pro immigration he imports them in and makes a living telling them how best to screw the British taxpayer.

Need I tell you that was the seat Nigel Farage won.

Oops lost.

Its who counts the votes quite clearly.......................

At least in Thanet.

Particularly if you can get your hands on them for six and a half hours.

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:33 | 6271447 Monetas
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In rural Cuban hamlets .... the kids do their homework .... with trash fires, fire flies .... and the headlights of passing military convoys .... Greece has not sunk that low, yet !

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:31 | 6271448 snodgrass
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Take the Iceland exit and tell the bankers to fuck off Greece!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:43 | 6271927 Anopheles
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Except it's not the bankers who hold the debt.   The bankers got rid of all their greek debt over the past couple years.  All the debt is now held by countries.

 

So tell us.  How is greece telling EU countries to f'off going to help them?   If greece doesn't do exactly what those countries want, greece is f'ed forever. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:31 | 6271449 logicalman
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If the vote is no, maybe Greece will be the first domino that starts others falling.

If the vote is yes, we'll just be waiting for a different domino.

The insanity of the world's present financial system has to fall apart sooner or later.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:55 | 6271504 Gyges
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Tsipras will just return refreshed in autumn with a yes vote. No matter the outcome Tsipras wins. Not so sure about Greece.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:32 | 6271450 mog
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“You call this dignity, to stand in line at teller machines for a few euros?” asked pensioner Yannis Kontis, 76, after voting in the capital. “I voted 'Yes' so we can stay with Europe.”

Well if nothing else - some Greeks are sure into bondage!

The EU will even tie his hands behind his back given half a chance.

They certainly have the Syriza politicians.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:33 | 6271453 BlackSwanOil
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Does anybody remember the Marshall Plan for Europe?  What about the War Reparations placed on the Wemeir Republic of Germany?  If Europe had extended a mid sized aid package to Greece and help them rebuild their economy without strings, Greece would have been as prosperous as Germany and France after World War II.  Instead the bankers have saddled the people down with debt after debt expecting a Hitler not to come to power in Greece. When are people going to learn?  Doing it right in the first place would have been much cheaper don't you think?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:36 | 6271462 nakki
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What's the point of a yes vote. Kick the can for another 6 months. Couldn't repay in 2010 can't repay now, won't repay without more of the same in 6 months.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:38 | 6271466 Haager
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Either vote is an agreement on more austerity, albeit the chance of making it less harsh than creditors 'demanded' recently. Is someone remembering the Milgram-experiment? 'Yes'-voters are the punishers, 'No'-voters the 'testpersons'. 

It doesn't decide on the Euro or the membership to the union.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:41 | 6271473 Kirk2NCC1701
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The one Issue that I've pointed out before and that the Greeks, the MSM and even ZH have not addressed, is that...

If the Greek youth's unemployment is already sky high (25-30%), when people are retiring at ages 52-55, then how bad will it get if the retirement is raised to 60 or beyond?   How high?

The point is (which should be obvious, but isn't, alas)... that there is something REALLY ROTTEN in Greece (for this phenomenon to be happening),  and equally rotten in the EU and Germany, if they can't or won't see or discuss this Phenomenon/Reality.  Until they do, all this EU/ECB/IMF talk of Negotiations is pure Fraud, Garbage, and (once again) the classic False Argument that they are having. 

Kirk out.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:59 | 6271520 JohnFrodo
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the model of constand growth and expansion is a myth.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:41 | 6271477 phyregold
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What the hell this election is fixed!  Someone is checking identification at the voting booth!  Racist greek pigs!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:46 | 6271482 Monetas
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Greece will leave the largess of the EU .... when Niggers turn in their EBT cards .... get real !

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:55 | 6271503 motorollin
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Don't forget - all of this is only valid if at least 40% of the country turns out to vote.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:56 | 6271507 Jtrillian
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The sooner Greece detaches itself from this unsustainable debt, the sooner it will be on the road to recovery.  If only US citizens could have realized this in 2008 and acted by sending their banksters to jail and breaking up "too big to fail" banks and reinstate Glass-Steagall.  Instead we quadrupled down by expanding the money supply by more than 400% and then rewarded the same banksters by bailing them out. 

It's not a matter of if but when the western debt/consumer based model collapses.  There is simply too much risk out there in the form of derivatives.  The market cannot correct without a collapse. 

When the dust settles, those countries who produce goods and have the gold will rise to power... mainly China.  And it will be our own damn fault for having the hubris to think "it could never happen here". 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:34 | 6271627 Omen IV
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"If US citizens realized".... Impossible they don't have option for direct democracy which is the "key" to self rule

Representative democracy doesn't work - it is not supposed to - the word - representative - allows the word Fraud - which is how the system works

The founders missed this one point in the constitution - they made it too hard for Direct Democracy

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:18 | 6272103 MickV
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Direct Democracy is tyranny of the majority. In fact their is no "right" to vote in the US Const., only the right not to disenfranchised by age, gender or race when the franchise is given by the states in a Federal election.

If their is no right nto vote, then the US is certainly not a "democracy" and in fact is a REPUBLIC.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:58 | 6271513 JohnFrodo
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OXI is a way to say no, which truthyness has no defense.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:12 | 6271529 Gyges
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"- Former MEGA and SKAI reporter, and Huffington Post editor, "greek" Sofia Papaiwannou has been fired from her job by Arianna Huffington cause she was caught tampering reports from Greece and editing articles in order for the pro YES camp to appear more popular.
http://www.koutipandoras.gr/article/...uffington-post"

 

Not a single reporter from similar Greek Media has had anything similar happen to them.  Fucking traitors, they are trying to overthrow the government, media junta, media coup d'etat backed up by the political zombies of the past.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:04 | 6271532 BoredRoom
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All recent votes and court rulings favore the Chosenite 2% ers.....this time will not be different.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:04 | 6271533 Ungaro
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The vote does not matter. The less productive nations of Europe will continue to be slaves to the more productive ones. There should have never been a currency union (without a fiscal union) among nations of such disparate economies. What sense would it make to have Kiribati form a currency union with China for the sake of liberalizing trade?

The world is in sad shape financially. The day of a restart is near.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:07 | 6271537 homiegot
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Take your haircuts, sheeple. Your socialist utopia has not done you any favors.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:08 | 6271543 henry chucho
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My suggestion to the Greek people is to wipe your ass with both sides of the ballot,before stuffing it back in the box..Whichever choice that smells the most like shit,is declared the winner.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:11 | 6271549 TabakLover
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I doubt few here on ZH would vote to continue to be slaves, regardless how they arrived at that state.  Why ask the Greeks to do that? 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:12 | 6271551 andypaps28
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The financial market .. see IG index Sunday trading , are telling me (via price movements: FTSE off nearly 2% , and DAX off over 3%) that NO camp have at least a 3% lead. A bit similar to when the future selling of airlines stock pre 9-11

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:14 | 6271559 homebody
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"our creditors have ruined us" tells the whole storey.  Always blame someone else for your own mistakes.

This bullshit has also infected our country - bring on the reset. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:40 | 6271650 HenryHall
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Should read

"We have allowed our creditors to reward thieves and ruin us".

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:16 | 6271563 Soul Glow
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If they don't leave the EU I'm going to be sad, and I'm going to cry in my beer, and I'll just have to go buy moar silver.

:)

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:17 | 6271565 Czar of Defenes...
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"Like in the US, the Greek media is also controlled by just seven oligarch families, thus swaying public opinion in a way that leads to the least amount of losses for the wealthiest."

 

Oh, for God's sake!!! 

Do you not realize the real-world alternative to such utopian masturbatory fantasizing is a totalitarian boot government which

controls how much each individual "may" own and

what media organs "may" say?!? 

 

PLEASE COME OUT AS THE FASCIST YOU ARE, DEAR AUTHOR.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:20 | 6271569 AgK9
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To believe that those who most benefit from maintaining the status quo would ever allow the outcome to be decided by a mechanism of democracy is pure fantasy. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:27 | 6271600 Heterodox economics
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This is an inflection point in the history of the world.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:31 | 6272171 boodles
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I hope you're right.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:34 | 6271629 sgorem
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just UNfuck Greece................

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:39 | 6271645 Dre4dwolf
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The Greeks have a history of standing up and saying no enough is enough.

The old farts voting Yes are selfish idiots, they wont even be alive in 10 years, yet they are all way too willing to throw the future of the next generation under the bus and let the young deal with the consequences and pain that the choices of the old had wrought.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:43 | 6271669 fowlerja
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Vote yes and the Greek people get scalped one way...vote no and the Greek people get scalped another way.  When you owe banks and political entities 200 billion euros...the debt does not go away. You still have to operate in some type of financial relationship with the bankers and other countries.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:54 | 6271701 Dre4dwolf
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The debt goes away when you refuse to pay it, Greece is a sovereign nation, what is Europe going to do? start WWIII to collect on some trivial 200billion Euros that they would do nothing with but wipe their asses with anyway?

Short of Germany invading Greece like the Nazis they are, No One is collecting shit, the Debt is getting written off and being extinguished.

THE Eurozone should just wipe the debt of all the nations and call it a day, go to a debt-free money system and leave every country alone to run itself as it sees fit.

 

All these taxes (VAT ect.) are completely destroying economic activity in countries like Greece....

The Euro Zone , The Euro , The ECB and the IMF are all run by idiots who have no idea what they are doing, they think they can pass a law and "fix" problems, but doing that only creates 2 more new problems for every 1 problem you attempted to tackle.

Get rid of the debt, taxes and austerity , and get out of the way and you will have prosperity all over europe.... instead of riots, govts collapsing, economies crashing and people setting cars on fire while raiding ATMS... lol

This mess is the ECBS/TROIKAS/GERMANY'S doing, not the Greek peoples.

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:52 | 6271963 JimmyRainbow
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lets wait who bleeds after the poll.

have the very strong impression that it will not be a sole germany, sole eu or sole murica wound.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:45 | 6271672 Pliskin
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The Greeks will vote YES, Syriza will be gone, new election will bring in a Pro-US government, all deals with Russia will be OFF, including any pipeline proposals. 

The Greeks will continue to be fucked in the ass, and they won't do a damn thing about it, yeh, sure there'll probably be a few protests in Athens, easily quelled with some good old fashioned police brutality (That WON'T be shown on any MSM news show/site) and it'll be back to business as usual for the Oligarchy, Banksters and general government psychos.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Just my opinion.

Hope I'm wrong.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:51 | 6271688 Infinite QE
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Have the israeli snipers showed up yet? Can't have a coup without them.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:48 | 6271681 gwar5
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I'm so glad this is just a YES or NO vote. If 'MAYBE' was on the ballot I'd be afraid this thing could go on forever.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:51 | 6271690 JohnFrodo
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The Greece vote is a indicaor on the future of humanity. How much shit can we sleep with?

Why did I not have the link button active?

anyway here is what you need to know active

http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.ca/2015/07/trojan-horse-at-gates-in-greece...

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:59 | 6271711 fowlerja
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Holy saying for Holy moment..."Six days you shall labor, but on the 7th day you shall rest"... and vote on your future.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:36 | 6271878 Sages wife
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If they vote yes, they will be laboring 8 days a week until the end of time.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:01 | 6271730 henry chucho
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Too bad we can't squeeze Hillary,and Jeb on these ballots,too..and hold the Presidential election in Greece today..so I don't have to hear,see,or smell either one of them,for at least another year..

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:26 | 6271824 Pliskin
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Agreed.

The only time I want to see, hear and smell Hillary is the sight, sound and smell of her fat puss filled body burning on the top of a bonfire.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:49 | 6271951 damicol
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I would go for all that apart from the smell.
One whiff of that fucking cows snatch on fire is guaranteed to make you a goner too

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:08 | 6271753 q99x2
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With women that look like that I imagine the Greek population to be quite small. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:14 | 6271774 thamnosma
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What? They are checking ID? Isn't that rayciss?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:19 | 6271790 newsoutlet
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I hope they vote NO, get broke, gets kicked out of EURO zone and starts to grow up.

They need a kick.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:20 | 6271797 user2011
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Bunch of lazy socialist asses.   They should learn to live respectfully and meaningfully.  Earn your living by working hard ( >= 8 working hours a day,  >= 5 days a week, and retire age >=65 years old ).

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:40 | 6271910 DutchBoy2015
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Some Americans work 2 or 3 crappy jobs just to make ends meet.   I dont' know of anyone here that works 2 jobs to live well. And we have about 6 percent unemployment in REAL numbers , not the 20-percent you have in REAL numbers.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:23 | 6271805 o01tac
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test

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:25 | 6271814 FredFlintstone
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Americans are no fatter than Greeks based on these pics.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:26 | 6271817 Element
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"The nightmare result would be 51-49 percent in either direction," a senior German official said. "And the chances of this are not insignificant."

 

Nah, a majority will produce a valid decision, which ever way it goes. We have close votes like that all the time and the majority is always the indisputable winner.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:26 | 6271822 dag
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I hope the wise and clever Greeks get everything they deserve.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:28 | 6271834 Sages wife
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It will be the same as the result that CNN reported from the Scottish exercise in futility/ legitimate vote.

No--51%

Yes-59%

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:17 | 6272096 IridiumRebel
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They gave their all....they gave 110%.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:30 | 6271841 henry chucho
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I see now why the Greek men aim for the poop-chute,instead of the red snapper..My God,you could get a third degree skin burn,by rubbing up against one of the moustaches of the Greek women..

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:55 | 6271979 vic and blood
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You have fallen for a paradigm that an elite group has programmed you for.

The truth is: Hair=woman, hairless=child.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:39 | 6271898 Anopheles
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It doesn't matter which way they vote.  They've already lost everything. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:39 | 6271899 Anopheles
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It doesn't matter which way they vote.  They've already lost everything. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:47 | 6271944 Mini-Me
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The Euro is toast.  Better to have a voluntary and orderly dissolution than to hold it together by threats, followed by a very disorderly and violent breakup.  Greece voting No to the Eurocrats is a good first step. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:52 | 6271961 Chuck Knoblauch
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Just say no to IMF debt.

Let the Germans pay it.

Move East, Germany.

Fuck Merkel.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:56 | 6271984 DIgnified
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That one tweet. "Anonymous" wants them to vote yes?  Nothing seems right about that.  '"Anonymous" wants you to continue being statist fucktoys and scapegoats.'   They may as well just say "All the cool kids vote yes."  That just cinched it in my mind that the whole anonymous thing is a government project.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:59 | 6271996 umdesch4
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I think you got that backwards. Are you referring to that picture that clearly says OXI ?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:43 | 6272235 DIgnified
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I think I do have that backward.  

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:03 | 6272006 mojojojo
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Of course the majority wasn't concerned when the credit tap was on full. Only when the credit tap was turned off. It's all the creditors fault. Germany, France, Spain, ECB, IMF. It's all their fault. They shouldn't have lent the credit. Perhaps so. They also have a lesson to learn. But don't tell me you didn't want the credit. Running successive deficits without cutting spending or raising taxes requires borrowing. That my friend, is the stupidity of the people who voted the stupid people in who carried on with the stupid policies.

Perhaps next time you will require the credit to be in gold. Pay back the interest with freshly printed fiat?

 

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:02 | 6272007 damicol
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What I like about this is that Stasi cunt merkel is now going to have to explain to the Germans what happened to 70 billion or so that she lied and defrauded her taxpayers out of and broke the constitution by doing that explicitly against German law and the bundesbank ,
That bitch is toast too

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 13:01 | 6272310 dizzyfingers
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Let's hope so but Hillary also should have been toast long before this, and isn't. Too many sheeple voting.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:08 | 6272028 Panic Mode
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The EU interpretation of the ballot result: Stay in EU - I win, Out of EU - you lose.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:14 | 6272074 bidaskspread
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I am confused, a yes vote means I am a Democrat or Republican? God, this shit typically has an R or D next to it to make it easy. 

/sarc

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:43 | 6272229 Chris Dakota
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Last time I was in Greece was 1980.

Women wore black, only men in cafes.

They were poor but seemed happy.

Women should not work, better for family and now everyone is employed.

Also better for the planet, less junk, less consumtion, more time, more living.

Vote No and go back to life.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:48 | 6272249 JohnFrodo
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