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Donald Trump's Soaring Popularity "Is The Country's Collective Middle Finger To Washington"

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Submitted by Paul Brodsky, via Macro-Allocation.com,

Donald Trump’s ascendance as the early GOP front-runner is symbolic of a greater global trend: growing pushback against institutional political and economic power.

To many centrist politicians and mainstream political observers, Donald Trump is a boastful, insensitive egomaniac spouting populist rhetoric. Whether such a characterization is true is not worthy of debate, which may explain why the rantings of enraged career political pundits have no impact on Mr. Trump’s popularity among Republican voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and across America. It seems no amount of ink or air time spent tarring and feathering Trump’s reputation sticks; in fact it seems to help Teflon Don in the polls, where he leads a crowded field of career politicians.

Donald Trump is a threat not only to the nattering nabobs in the press corps and the Republican Party. His day in the sun may be symbolic of a broader dynamic: the declining power held by historically powerful institutions. Ask yourself if Trump’s campaign is making a mockery of the political process or exposing the mockery that the political process has become. A not-insignificant percentage of Americans away from the coasts, are looking past his utter lack of decorum and political savvy to hitch their wagons to his outrage.

Let’s forget, for a moment, about our personal politics, preferred policies, and individual candidates we may be excited to elect. Are we supposed to forget that the Supreme Court, through its 2010 decision that corporate donors should be treated legally as individual donors under the First Amendment, effectively subordinated individual voters into mere supporting targets to which political aspirants have to appeal? Most importantly, are we supposed to nod our bobble heads in agreement with the heads of the national parties to choose a candidate they find acceptable based on which will appeal to the best funded special interests?

Is anyone really polling in favor of Donald Trump or is he conveniently filling the role of the not-so-quiet counterfactual?

I recently texted one of the premier Sunday morning political pundits with these thoughts and he texted back:

“That's what I am arguing internally. This is the country's collective middle finger to Washington.”

As an investment strategist and consultant observing our current global economy and markets, it is difficult not to extrapolate this sense of helplessness against powerful institutions. Tell us again why six years of central bank financial repression is serving the interests of the greater factors-of-production? As investors, should we care about widening wealth and income gaps that are clearly part-and-parcel with central bank policies devoted to maintaining asset values (see here and here)?

Should we expect free, democratic markets that create, form and price capital efficiently - not that treat financial assets as balance sheet collateral for credit?

Who can voters elect to again have an economy that puts producers over rentiers, or to have markets that price value? I’m sure it’s not Donald Trump (a rentier’s rentier!), but I’m also sure it’s not the heads of the Democrat and Republican Parties. Who can investors elect to keep the rentier thing going? Is that really what investors should want? It’s complicated.

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Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:31 | 6373803 Shizzmoney
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Who can voters elect to again have an economy that puts producers over rentiers, or to have markets that price value?

 

No one 

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:34 | 6373807 Bitcoin Meiser
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I've been hearing words like "classy" and "gravitas" being used to describe Trump. All I can say about that is...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 03:48 | 6374443 Bazza McKenzie
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Well these things are relative.  He's being compared with Obama, Clinton and the younger Bushes.

In that company he looks pretty good.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:36 | 6373814 Chuck Knoblauch
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Finger heard around the world.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:36 | 6373815 Peter Pan
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I'd like to think that Trump is a game changer but I also remember the hopes that Obama also built up within many of us for a meaningful change only to be totally sickened by his every word and appearance subsequently.

Will Trump simply be another welllaid plan for the gullible public like Obama was?

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 01:02 | 6374191 Buster Cherry
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Trump has a helluva resume where Obama, not so much besides his momma fucked a Kenyan nigger.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:38 | 6373821 cheech_wizard
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If not Trump, then who? Another Bush or Clinton? Sanders? The moment Sanders opened his mouth, scratched him off the list.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/26/bernie-sanders-dont-need-23-choices-of-d

I gave up voting. Oddly enough, I haven't had a jury summons since I quit registering. Anyone else that's quit voting had that happen to them as well?

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:45 | 6373841 cheech_wizard
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and here comes Jeb Bush, tossing out everything and anything to appeal to voters...

http://www.bna.com/jeb-bush-takes-n17179934073/

Bloomberg BNA:Is climate change occurring? If so, does human activity significantly contribute to it?

Bush: The climate is changing; I don’t think anybody can argue it’s not. Human activity has contributed to it. I think we have a responsibility to adapt to what the possibilities are without destroying our economy, without hollowing out our industrial core.

Standard Disclaimer: Bzzzt, thanks for playing.

 

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:43 | 6373828 yogibear
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Both the Republican mainstreamers and the Democrates will use all of their ability to trash Trump.

The Republicans would like another John Boehner.

Boehner and his son-in-law.

http://lionsofliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rsz_bondoobie.jpg

Smokes a lot of dope

The country is desperately looking for a "None of the above" candidate.

 

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 09:20 | 6375031 corporatewhore
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none of the above is so true.  no one wants who the media wants.  Jeb or Hillary.  Listening to her, as I heard her this morning.  My God, she is so grating.  But the country needs a womyn. /sarc/

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:50 | 6373852 diamond dog
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Just tonight, I heard Hugh Hewitt (cuckservative if there ever was one) state that "the border does not matter....it's just personality!  Why....John Kasich is as close to Trump as there is...but Kasich has reasonable positions!".  

What an a-hole.  I was once a Republican but no longer.  You all....Reason Mag, NRO, Karl Rove, Sean Hannity, Micheal Medved, Roger Ailes, Charles Krauthammer, George Will...can all go to hell. If Trump goes third party (which I hope he does if the Koch Bros and others freeze him out), I will vote for him.  Let Hillary, Biden, Sanders, O'Malley...etc...manage the spiral down as all of this was going to come anyway.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:53 | 6373856 Temerity Trader
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How can anyone, even Donald, fight so many people looking for handouts and free rides? If you even mention cutting entitlements, they won't vote for you. Congress is paralyzed in fear of offending any special-interest group, and they are all beholden to the oligarchs and bankers. Donald will never get a bill passed, so he will tell them all to f*** off and go play golf.

The AARP fights to get every elderly person more benefits than they ever paid into the system. Medicare pays out with the same disregard for what was paid in. Medicaid goes to illegals. Welfare goes to illegals and fat slobs with no desire to work.  Veterans who never saw combat, and never even went overseas, claim to have PTSD and demand free rides for their entire lives. The list goes on, 45 million using EBT cards.

Donald cannot fight all that, but he can give them all the middle finger. Refuse to sign any new spending bills and force congress to override his vetoes. The bloated, wasteful government may be forced into some cuts, but the MIC will fight him every step of the way. They will wear him down, but he is still better than f***ing Jeb or Hillary!

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:48 | 6374492 Victor999
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"he is still better than f***ing Jeb or Hillary!"

He tells you exactly what you want to hear and you think he is the cat's paw.  Look at his history.  Look at his Zionist connections.  Look at his statements about foreign policy - more empire building for America!  Look at his support for Netanyahu.  His kids married jews for Chrit's sake!  Look at his shaky financial history - multiple bankruptcies.  Look at his strong support of immigration to push wages down.  He is a member of the Club.  Members of the Club do not turn on each other.  They just play play people like you to get elected.

Think, for God's sake!

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 09:45 | 6375117 11b40
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So, what's your suggested alternative.  Who do you suggest we "think" about, for God's sake! 

Most people just want someone to turn over the rotten barrel of apples that has become our government.  It is way past time that the status quo is driven out and things are described by their proper names, like theft, graft, collusion, bribes, and treason.  Will Trump be that answer to any of our problems?  I don't know, but we all have a pretty good idea who will NOT bring any meaningful change.....and those rubes are trailing Trump in the polls. 

I heard it well described by some woman on TV.  It may seem ridiculous on it's face that middle America is identifying Trump as being one of us when he is a multi-billionaire, but what that really means is that he is perceived as being NOT one of "them".  Not a part of the establishment cartel and associated with the Washington rot, so if he is not one of "them", he is one of us.

Perception often becomes reality.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:54 | 6373862 VladLenin
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My middle finger is flicking a booger on Washington.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:02 | 6373872 Super Hans
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My first election was the one Perot tried his luck and lost. I don't remember the details, but I voted for Perot; he lost, not sure why maybe it was becuase of his mousy looks.

Trump at least has a real world life, and made his money by actually working.  

I can't stand any of these politicians, except for maybe Ted Cruz; he has a large set., he is the Republican party.

I remember Sara Palin's speach, she was incredible, but she was carrying dead weight. MCCaine (spelling) was a sub par aviator by the way.

Mitt Romney is a DBag Morman by the way.

No Bush can even speak English.

Fuck it, just shoot me in the head.

SH 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:59 | 6374184 Buster Cherry
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He had Admiral Stockdale as VP right when he was falling into dementia.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:41 | 6374487 Victor999
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Trump work????  He inherited his money from his father that provided the seed for his investments.  He is a savvy deal-broker and a smart shyster, I'll give him that.  But a worker?  What the fuck are you smoking?  He hasn't worked a day in his privileged life!

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 09:13 | 6375010 corporatewhore
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well, he hasn't used his EBT when I've waited on him

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 22:59 | 6373875 the not so migh...
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he was for gm bailout and paulsons bailout; fuck him

 

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:09 | 6373905 falconflight
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So we're down to vicariously, through a single person, shooting the bird at what we in fact support on a daily basis?

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:10 | 6373911 besnook
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bernie declared his zionist bent(over) so trump it is.

trump is a genius. for that he will have a horrible accident. if the republicans don't nominate him trump will run as a third party candidate ensuring a dimocrat victory. pure genius, blackmailing the party.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:01 | 6374072 squid
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"trump is a genius. for that he will have a horrible accident. if the republicans don't nominate him trump will run as a third party candidate ensuring a dimocrat victory. pure genius, blackmailing the party."

 

Maybe but maybe not. This is Ross Perot splitting the republican vote. I'm not so sure that life-long dems are all that thrilled about Billary or Bernie.

 

I find myself lately agrreeing with "some things" that Bernie Sanders, Chris Hedges and a few other grossly left of center types. I don't agree with the majority of what they say but there are elements...

 

Might not the average life-long dem be saying teh same things?

 

Trump just might do it as a thrid candidate....its what America needs.

 

Squid

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:37 | 6374485 Victor999
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You do realise, of course, that Trump has deep Jewish connections, being a tycoon in the city of Jews New York, don't you?  You don't do business there without those connections.  His son Eric married a Jewish TV producer.  His daughter Ivanka married a Jew, a very powerful Jew from the Kushner family of New Jersey, converted to Judaism and her kids are Jewish.  Trump's CFO is Allen Weisselberg and his legal counsel is Michael Cohen.  He is a strong Netanyahu supporter.  He was one of Hillary's strongest donors.  

No Zionist bent?  Better check your facts.  You and all the other Trumpmeisters on this thread are fooling yourselves.  Trump is a 1 %er.  He is in the club.  And he will tell you anything you want to hear to get elected so he can make the Club even more comfortable.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:25 | 6373954 Fred123
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The political class better start listening or the rope will be used. These numbskulls have no idea how angry the average American is.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:22 | 6374478 Victor999
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The average American is too busy watcvhing his favourite sports game, munching his Cheetos and washing it down with beer to have a mind.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:25 | 6373956 Condition 1SQ
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Look at the cheap, transparent, pathetic anti-Trump hatchet job by Anderson Cooper and CNN:

https://youtu.be/4dyngfj6kAY

CNN clearly despises this man.  All the more reason to support him.  Perhaps all we can hope to do is troll the talking heads.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:21 | 6374476 Victor999
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I'd wager you were thins excited about Obama when he first appeared on the scene too.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 11:12 | 6375490 nevertheless
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They hate him because he is not reading from the script.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:34 | 6373988 bluez
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Get A Real Reason To Do The Bother To Get Informed! Get: Simple Score Voting

Time for the great mutiny from those who have stolen our treasure to rule the world. Stolen our lives. To rule the world.

Simple score voting.

No more Clinton/Bush.

Stop it.

We have the old single-selection two-party. So no choice at all for you.

The "republic" is simply ruled by judges who may, for example, throw gays a bone for show now and then, but really only watch out for the rights of the people who matter -- the rich, of course.

Democracy means knowingness and good will of the PEOPLE. Not the republicist rapaciousness of the judges.

Teach the people! Trust The People! We are not the "mob"! The rich Great Gamers are the real mob. You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.

There are two entirely different kinds of elections, and kinds of "contestants". An election of the president of a science fiction novel forum is not at all the same thing as an election of a United States President. The former is really a contest between two (or more) individual candidates (and their agendas), but the latter is actually a contest between the weak and the mighty — the well-supported candidates of a very few elites versus the grass-roots candidates of the vast multitude of non-elite people.

Simple score voting can be completely described in one short simple sentence: Give no vote at all, or from one to ten votes to any number of candidates you wish (up to some reasonable limit, say 20 candidates), and then simply add all the votes up.

It can be completely machine-free! If machines make tallying X time easier, they make coordinated rigging X times easier. Which can we truly afford???

One could say that simple score eliminates 90% of the spoiler effect. To illustrate: if a voter gives 10 votes to Nader and 9 votes to Gore, it is simply obvious that, if Nader does not win, the voter has only sacrificed exactly 10% of their voting power. Not 100% as they would have had they been forced to use the usual single-selection ("faux plurality") voting method.

No fancy math is necessary to compare and contrast it to every other option for effectiveness and simplicity, including single-selection (aka "plurality," our present "system") Condorcet, Borda, IRV, Range (with its tricky "averages"), Approval (which is not adequately discriminative for choice of candidates), etc.

The simple score method I advocate is the very simplest, since it only allows from 1 to 10 votes to be given, not from 0 to 9, or 0 to 10. That is simply another complication. It also has no vote-averaging that seriously complicates the "range" score method. I also seem t be the only one to point out that voters should always vote artfully (aka strategically), not artlessly or heroically (aka "honestly" or "sincerely").

(Simple score is not like approval voting at all -- it is vastly more discriminative.)

PLEASE NOTE: score voting has never been used when there were truly high stakes for the voters. The single-selection method has always been utilized to spoiler effect enforced two-party or two-candidate choices. And would three money-empowered choices be better? Did Greece and Spain with their parliamentary schemes fare well with their "systems"?

And the people MUST vote strategically -- NOT artlessly ("honestly", "sincerely")! Do the Senators and judges act with honesty and sincerity? Do they vote heroicaly? Take a wild guess!

And why do you suppose they don't have just ONE money-empowered candidate or party? Something to think about?

Political Science Is An Ancient Fraud
https://politicalscienceisanancientfraud.wordpress.com/

Who Uses Score Voting?

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The Center for Election Science — Score Voting — Who uses Score Voting?
http://www.electology.org/score-voting

(+) The Harvey Milk Democratic Club, the largest Democratic club in San Francisco, uses Score Voting for their endorsements.

(+) The Pirate Party of North Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous of Germany’s 16 states (population: 18 million), uses Score Voting (on a -3 to +3 scale) to elect their Board of Directors. On May 13, 2012, the NRW Pirates won 7.8% of the vote in the state elections, winning 20 of the 237 seats in state parliament. (Their party list had itself been selected via multi-winner Approval Voting.) They subsequently held their first Score Voting Board of Directors election on May 29, 2012. The results of that election are here.

(+) The Pirate Party of Lower Saxony subsequently adopted Score Voting (on a 0-5 scale) to order their party list. The first use was on August 25, 2012.

--- “Overall the counting proved that we had chosen the right system. We were only slightly slower than we had expected and most people were happy with the result. They felt that with the scoring they could express their will in a very effective way.” - André, Pirate Party Member, Germany

(+) ESPN.com uses Score Voting to rank every NBA player from number 500 to number 1.

(+) Mozilla, the organization that makes the popular Firefox web browser, uses Score Voting to select Mentors for their Mozilla Reps program.

(+) The Fedora Project, a partnership of free software community members from around the globe, uses Score Voting to select their board members.

(+) The Central Co-op, an independent, member-owned natural foods cooperative in Seattle, WA, uses Score Voting for their Inside Trustee Elections.

--- “It’s easy to understand.” - Webster Walker, Community Outreach Administrator, Central Co-op, Seattle, WA

(+) The San Francisco FrontRunners, a running club, uses Score Voting to select which charity to donate their proceeds to.

(+) NAVA, the North American Vexillological Association, used Score Voting to identify the best and worst flags on the continent.

(+) The TV shows American Idol, The Voice, and Dancing with the Stars use Score Voting to select their winners.

(+) The Miss America Pageant uses Score Voting to select their finalists.

(+) The cooking shows Iron Chef, Top Chef, and Cupcake Wars all use Score Voting to select their winners.

(+) Many Olympic sports, such as gymnastics and figure skating, use Score Voting to select their winners.
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Voting in Sanity
http://votinginsanity.org/

Success Stories:

Where is Score Voting being used?

(+) By our schools, to select the valedictorian

(+) In the Olympics, for judging athletic performances

(+) At the Internet Movie Database (IMDb), to evaluate moviegoers’ preferences

(+) On websites that feature reviews, such as Amazon.com, Yelp, and the Apple App Store

(+) …and it undoubtedly forms a major part of every search-engine algorithm!
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Note that score voting has virtually never been used in major political elections where there were significantly high stakes for voters.

In any reasonable electoral process, simple score voting provides all voters with equal electoral power. Some people disingenuously refer to the "one man, one vote" misrepresentation. What the phase actually refers to is described below:

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Wikipedia (limited reliability) -- Reynolds v. Sims [Voting; "One man, one vote"] -- 15 June 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Sims

Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533 (1964) was a United States Supreme Court case that ruled that state legislature districts had to be roughly equal in population. The case was brought on behalf of voters in Alabama, but the decision affected both northern and southern states that had similarly failed to reapportion their legislatures in keeping with changes in state population.

[....]

The eight justices who struck down state senate inequality based their decision on the principle of "one person, one vote". In his majority decision, Chief Justice Earl Warren said "Legislators represent people, not trees or acres. Legislators are elected by voters, not farms or cities or economic interests."

Justice Tom C. Clark wrote a concurring opinion.

Justice Potter Stewart also issued a concurring opinion, in which he argued that while many of the schemes of representation before the court in the case were egregiously undemocratic and clearly violative of equal protection, it was not for the Court to provide any guideline beyond general reasonableness for apportionment of districts.

In dissent, Justice John Marshall Harlan II criticized the Court for ignoring the original intent of the Equal Protection Clause, which he argued did not extend to voting rights. Harlan claimed the Court was imposing its own idea of "good government" on the states, stifling creativity and violating federalism. Harlan further claimed that if Reynolds was correct, then the US Constitution's own provision for two senators from each state would be Constitutionally suspect since the fifty states don't have "substantially equal populations". "One person, one vote" was extended to Congressional (but not Senate) districts in Wesberry v. Sanders (1964).
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https://politicalscienceisanancientfraud.wordpress.com/

So fuck the rich man's system! Get simple score voting, Make it worthwhile to be informed!

NO MORE Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton/ John Ellis "Jeb" Bush!!!

ENOUGH!!! Enough!!!

Vote for PEOPLE -- not corrupt parties!

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 02:36 | 6374345 maxwellsdemon
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Who makes the money is infinitely more important than who makes the laws at this point. 

 

As Rothschild famously said "give me control of a nation's money, and I don't care who makes the laws".  So the important thing we must do first, is to nationalize the Federal Reserve.   Our government can make gold, silver, or platinum coins or notes in addition to fiat money, but it has to be done by the government.  No money creation by private banks ever again can happen as that is the road to tyrrany once started.  Mathematically, once banks create credit money, they are always owed more back than was created since the debt grows daily while the newly created credit money of course never grows.  The banks claim the collateral eventually and by putting our DC government in perpetual debt, we citizens become the banks permanent serfs.

 

Our treasury once more must be available to mint gold or silver into coins to put into circulation.  Miners can obtain the gold or silver and bring it to the treasury for minting.   Banks can loan their money, but they cannnot do as they all do now, which is to never loan their own assets or money, but only loan newly created credit money out of thin air.

 

End it now; Nationalize the FED

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:20 | 6374475 Victor999
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Too late for that.  The US had its chance in 1913, and made the wrong choice.  The claws are too deep in the flesh now.  Only a bloody revolution could possibly correct it, and that is highly unlikely.  Get used to it.  Your life will only get worse as they begin pulling your gold crowns and melting them down.  And if you resist, the FEMA camps will be waiting for you - three meals a day (the quality of which will be governed by the profit-hungry private institution in charge) and plenty of time to reflect on how things might have been.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 11:11 | 6375483 nevertheless
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They had their chance again under JFK, but you see what happened to him. He signed Executive order 11110...Five months later and on the eve of implementation of that order, he was dead. Don't think that does not play into every man who takes office since.

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:42 | 6374020 damicol
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I think its really quite simple, and Trump just needs to push this harder.

Tell me, are you totally fucked off with your self serving smarmy corrupt congress cunt in Washington.

Yes I am,  Well so am I and guess what I am going to fuckung smack the cunt down because I cn. Are you with me.

I don't like you Trump.

There's a lot say the same, I might not likie you eiter, but I am still going to smack those cunts in Wahington down, so you choose,

Are you with me or against me.

 

 

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:49 | 6374041 Talcott
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Trump is a circus choot

but it would be amusing to see..

 

Trump/Paul 16 purely for the lulz

 

and ofcourse it doesnt føøking matter anyway.

 

http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/its-time-to-tell-the-truth-the-14th-a...

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:51 | 6374044 CaptainMoonlight
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President Trump

Vice President Cruz

Speaker Paul

 

2016 Dream Team

 

Go Trump

Thu, 07/30/2015 - 23:54 | 6374054 Peter K
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Reason kicking Ideology's ass!

For a change ;)

And it's high time....

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:30 | 6374118 MATA HAIRY
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no, this is just propaganda losing its grip on much of the white majority...thus allowing reason to penetrate

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:03 | 6374077 pupdog1
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"This is the country's collective middle finger to Washington.”

 

That is exactly right, but all of Congress laid end-to-end is not bright enough to realize this. 

Christmas is right around the corner.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:08 | 6374088 the grateful un...
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first he was denigrated by an escaped drug lord, (el chapo) and now the koch brothers (manipulators of the tea party) i tell you everytime some scum bag group who wants to control the voters for their own interests goes after Trump he just gets bigger.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:10 | 6374467 Victor999
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Unfortunately, you are correct.  However, did you ever stop to think that these very powerful people are doing this purposefully, knowing that such actions will improve his chances with a dull American population sick of Washington's intriques?  He is a 1 percenter....don't forget that.  He runs with 1 percenters.  He eats with them, is pals with them, probably sleeps with some of them.  You really believe they all are not having a great laugh over the stupidilty of Americans on this?  I am, and I'm not even one of them.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:36 | 6374133 VWAndy
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fuck i hate silly season! 18 month long joke and its on me. Ya I get it haha,,.    

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:36 | 6374134 Shirley Swanepoel
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Call me crazy but I will vote for Trump!

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:05 | 6374462 Victor999
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You are crazy.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:53 | 6374169 Buster Cherry
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I like the guy because he's already made himself. There's no pandering needed for him to gilt his future.

He can be real

 

That's his appeal to me. He doesn't need to suck anyones ass and can tell it as he sees it.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 02:12 | 6374319 TeaClipper
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Dont believe it for a moment. This guys been bankrupt once. A billion will never be enough for him. He is one of the 1%ers never forget that. Good to see the Southern cross flying BTW

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:03 | 6374461 Victor999
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I believe you need to think a little deeper on that subject.  Just because some asshole with a highly suspect past, coloured with various financial decisions that can only be described as disastrous, says the things that give you multiple political orgasms, do not think for a moment this creature is for real.  He has deep, deep Jewish connections, is an Israel-firster, is a strong supporter of Netanyahu, wants an even stronger military (you would think a military with global projection would be plenty!), thinks America is being pushed around on the international stage and maintains that America is the one exceptional country in the world, above all international law - indeed, America makes the law.

If that is the kind of person you want in the White House,  don't worry, because every candidate out there has alll the above qualities and you will get your wish.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 00:57 | 6374178 Iam Yue2
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A backlash against the neoliberal consensus.  Same phenomena can be seen in UK, with Corbyn's lead in the Labour Party leadership battle.  Binary distinctions no longer apply - people are simply sick of being lectured at by elites who uphold their own interests through conveying the notion that the status quo is the new normal.  It isn't - it is the world of rigged markets, silent inequality, super surveillance, and passive  acquiescence.

Enough people are now starting to say FUCK YOU - we do not buy into this crap.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 02:07 | 6374306 TeaClipper
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Correct, In both countries the right and the left are both fracturing as the middle ground is abandoned. This is how revolutions are born

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 01:03 | 6374197 talisman
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Question:

would US be better off with Trump than it is with Obama??

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 02:18 | 6374327 idontcare
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It would be "classier" (Trump's favorite word).

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 03:49 | 6374444 Victor999
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Perhaps a more apt question would be - "Is the country better off under Jewish power or under Jewish power?"

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 01:08 | 6374208 q99x2
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Dude's a financial pervert and needs to be locked up.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 02:17 | 6374326 idontcare
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Better than Hillary and Bill who are good friends of Jeffrey Epstein.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 03:47 | 6374442 Victor999
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At a certain level of evil, comparisons become meaningless.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 01:57 | 6374299 TeaClipper
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More like a collective "If this is the only game in town, then we are going to throw the pieces all over the floor"

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 02:16 | 6374324 idontcare
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See what things will look like one year after Trump gets into office here:

http://artbell.com/the-new-trump-white-house/

scroll down the article past the photo of Trump

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 07:28 | 6374661 jmcwala
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Hillarious picture... worthy of Willam Banzai.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 12:20 | 6375804 redux2redux
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Why not?! Haven't other presidents been accused of 'renting' out rooms in the white house?

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 03:10 | 6374400 Jack Daniels Esq
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Trump gave the dumb muslim nigga a $5m middle finger a while back

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 03:52 | 6374448 Batman11
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US democracy gives a choice between two different flavours of Wall Street:

Wall Street with a Republican flavour

Wall Street with a Democratic flavour

As Wall Street is only interested in the 1%, the 99% now have someone to vote for.

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:15 | 6374471 Magooo
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Please FUCK OFF with these fairy tales that reinforce the fucking idiotic belief that the president matters

 

"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ... The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply."  Nathan Rothschild

 

 “Once a nation parts with the control of its currency and credit, it matters not who makes the nation’s laws. … Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most sacred responsibility, all talk of the sovereignty of parliament and of democracy is idle and futile.” — Mackenzie King, Canadian Prime Minister 1935-1948.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 04:59 | 6374498 falak pema
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When Oligarchy CRIME leans on the arm of Statist VICE--the current model of US power combine of inscrutable WS in cahoots with opaque and "me first" DC elected---  the stage is free for a POPULIST rich man to fill that vacuum and become the Despot who will lead a NATIOn, (now an Empire deep in debt to protect its purple mantle), off the cliff! 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 05:21 | 6374513 Aussiekiwi
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Choose a different evil this time, why the hell not?

Could be a good bumper sticker for the Don

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 06:37 | 6374558 War-Is-Peace
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Donald Trump for prez...yay. Dumb Americans.

 

You might as well vote for a pork pie for all the difference he'll make. He's just another stooge pumping out the propaganda, who, if eleceted will just follow the same Borg collective/ tribe shit as all your other sock puppet fucks before him.

 

Man, some of you Americans are as dumb as rocks.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 07:47 | 6374606 teutonicate
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So who are you going to vote for that is better? I think I hear crickets.

Oh, I forgot, you are not going to vote at all, and then we will have to again listen to your constant bitching about how bad America is.

Do you think you are going to get a medal as revolutionary for not voting?

None of us like the kosher candidates that we have to chose from, but that doesn't mean doing nothing is better.

Grow up and take a position, or don't expect us to carry you.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 06:48 | 6374574 teutonicate
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What gives Americans of white European descent the audacity to hear out a candidate that offers them any hope that their interests in a country that they built might be protected?

How dare they!

I say that if American’s are finally beginning to wake up, and we are prepared to take the risk that there are certain things that we don’t like about the Donald, in order to get the more important things that we do like, let’s allow this thing to play out and see where it takes us.

Those of you that have read my posts in the past know that I continue to harbor reservations about the Donald because of his possible cabalist links.

However, I am not one of those people that thinks voting doesn’t matter, because I know what we could get if we don’t elect the Donald (or another candidate that adopts his views) – and that scares me too.

The peoples of white European descent in this country are currently faced with genocide with or without the Donald, and the stakes are higher now.

Being an American involves taking chances, and this may be a chance we have to take.

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 06:51 | 6374587 Infinite QE
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"The peoples of white European descent in this country are currently faced with genocide with or without the Donald, and the stakes are higher now."

 

BINGO!

 


Fri, 07/31/2015 - 06:57 | 6374600 War-Is-Peace
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Americans talking about genocide, fucking LOL.

 

What about the genocide of the indignous native American Indians that you wiped out, and still to this day fuck over at each and every turn. 

 

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 07:55 | 6374617 teutonicate
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What about it.  We also don't cry over the people that they killed off when they immigrated here originally from Asia.  They fought savagely both amongst themselves (a story the history books will not tell you) and for their survival, and lost.  I am worried about my people.  It's called survival of the fittest, and as long as my people are under threat I will fight.

Next.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 08:35 | 6378211 War-Is-Peace
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@teutonicate

 

So if you're happy to accept other peoples genocide and destruction, coz after all, "it's called survival of the fittest", why can you not accept your own peoples demise which you allude to, or is it simply a case that you're a hypocrite who's full of shit?

 

As for your point about about Native American Indians whiping out those before them, prove it, lets have some factual evidence to support such a claim.

 

If you could actually look beyond cultural and racial differences, you'd quickly come to the realisation that we're all human beings with the same wants and desires, and at some point along the way we'll be a mix of every colour and creed out there - which is the case right now effectively, just start digging and disecting your own DNA and more than likely, along your family tree you"ll have all sorts of races in your blood.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 06:59 | 6374608 ross81
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Obama was pushed on the people as an "outsider" and as someone who'd end these toxic little wars everywhere. Yeah that worked out didnt it?

 

They seem to be setting up Trump as something similar in the sense that he's also an "outsider" who'll "do shit differently".

 

Cant believe some ZHers are falling for this nonsense. 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 07:46 | 6374684 teutonicate
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So who are you going to vote for that is better? I think I hear crickets.

Oh, I forgot, you are not going to vote at all, and then we will have to again listen to your constant bitching about how bad America is.

Do you think you are going to get a medal as revolutionary for not voting?

None of us like the kosher candidates that we have to chose from, but that doesn't mean doing nothing is better.

Grow up and take a position, or don't expect us to carry you.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 08:01 | 6374743 brushhog
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When I hear the words "free market" from Trump, I'll support him. When he talks about ending the Fed, I'll vote for him. When he talks about a return to sound money, I'll vote for him. If he isn't pushing those issues, then nothing else really matters, he isn't serious about making the systemic changes that are necessary for real change. The only, single person in the race who IS discussing those issues is Rand Paul.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 08:04 | 6374750 overmedicatedun...
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trump wins and declares to IRS EPA ED DEPT: your fired. well it could happen, with a clinton or bush it's 100% not happening.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 08:13 | 6374776 overmedicatedun...
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advice from the politico pol sucking pundit class:

"When Jeb Bush and Donald Trump share a debate stage next week, Bush needs to ignore the real estate mogul at all costs —and if that fails, laugh him off."

I hope Trump goes up to Jeb and says "your time has gone the bush machine days are over"

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:08 | 6377218 teutonicate
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You forgot immigration, illegal and otherwise.  That matters more than any of the things you said, at least from the perspective of the people of white European descent that built this country.

Fix the culture and the values, and all of the other things will fall in place.

Allow the cabal to remain in charge, and we will continue to spiral down, just as they planned.

Funny how homogeneous European cultures never seem to have a problem creating a sound economy and a moral society.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:16 | 6377418 brushhog
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Not even an issue if the economy isnt adjusted. Plenty of socialist, screwed up European countries to disprove your "racial purity" belief. Immigration is a minor issue compared to the foundation of our entire economic structure.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 08:07 | 6374760 ross81
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you have a point about "taking a position" but saying you'll vote for B merely cos he's "less bad" than A is not really helping the US (or any country) now is it?

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 09:15 | 6374889 teutonicate
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Thanks for your response.

However, I still can't understand the logic behind both admitting that a candidate is "less bad" (which you apparently are prepared to do) and then claiming that voting for what is "less bad" does not help the country, when the alternative is "more bad" (which you are also prepared to admit).

So I take it that you would prefer to take the risk that the country ends up with the "more bad" alternative, than to step up to your responsibility to vote to try to prevent it.

I still think this is faulty reasoning, or worse, an excuse to do nothing.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 07:14 | 6374626 BoPeople
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Trump should probably be running as a democrat so as to squash Hitlery. That being said, he is better than any NEOCON/Zionist. However, we must remember that he is just as much a slave to fiat-money as any of the other candidates and maybe more-so.

My guess is that the democrats in particular want Trump to run as a third party candidate. This would hugely help the communist (err progressive) cause.

The problem with the media treatment of the Republicans is that none of them are getting any airtime (except probably the evil Bush) when compared to Trump. If Trump knocks evil-Bush out of the race t will be worth it. If he can knock both evil-Bush and Hitlery out, that would be ideal.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 07:29 | 6374663 unklemunky
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Paul, as far as the supreme court ruling, they were right. You want free markets dont you? Then why can I not freely spend as much money as i want to elect my candidate or to spread my political message. What is the dollar value placed on the non stop left wing democrat party media worth? 24 hours a day on every mainstream channel, news, tv shows, talk shows, all of them spouting the left wing communist party lines. It has to be worth tens of billions of dollars. Guaranteed. Of course, that is " journalism". What about forced unio dues that get ripped out of employees pockets and shoved into the democrat party's pocket for media buys regardless of the "donor's" political beliefs? And on and on. If you want freedom, then we all have to get the hell out of they way. Life is not fair. Never has been and never will be. But you can rest assured, when you give power to a group of unelected beaurocrats to make sure things are "fair" you have just gave away your own freedom in pursuit of limiting someone elses and have meanwhile given some unelected do nothing idiot the power to change the rules......in HIS favor.... You are obviously a smart man Paul. You need to reconcile this position. Its a democrat talking point. It is the reason why they are using the IRS against us conservatives.. They are pussies who cant win a fair fight so they dont fight fair. Their ideas never stand alone on their own merits. Just look around you. Read all of the stories here. We are liviing in their utopia and they are realizing we are going to take their dream away. Their lie has been exposed. Now wake the fuck up Paul and fix this article......or move to some gay european country that is "broker" than we are.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 07:50 | 6374718 brushhog
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if anyone wanted to give a middle finger to Washington they would have voted in Ron Paul, or even his son Rand. That is the ONLY anti-establishment choice. But the media will tell you not to vote that way so you won't...instead they'll parade that big mouthed clown in front of you, get you excited, then he'll pull out midway through and you'll settle for Bush....or Hillary.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 08:28 | 6374827 Joe A
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No, his popularity is the result of dumbing down the population with TV, bad education and pampering them with easy money/debt so they can buy stuff they don't need in order to impress people they don't like. They harvest what they have sown: dumb people without any backbone, culture and moral fibre who will then vote for a guy who is like them.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 08:55 | 6374943 fromthinair
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zh, I can't believe that you are running out of ideas. Trump is the outcome of the same failed system that you cliam to fight everyday. How do you see hope there?

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 09:05 | 6374984 yellowsub
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This just further proves to them the system still works if people are still participating in the process!

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 10:49 | 6375374 stiler
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ZH just tells you what you want to hear and hides what you don't. Scratch those itchy ears.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 21:52 | 6377636 Anunnaki
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