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Bernie, The Koch Brothers, & Open Borders

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Submitted by Jeff Deist via The Mises Institute,

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders recently raised the ire of both progressives and libertarians with his remarks concerning immigration:

“Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal,” Sanders said. “That’s a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States.”

 

“It would make everybody in America poorer — you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that,” Sanders said. “If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or (the United Kingdom) or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people.”

In just a few sentences, Sanders manages to demonstrate a hodgepodge of nativist, nationalist, protectionist, and socialist sentiments. But for anyone wondering why he wandered off the progressive narrative on immigration, it’s because protectionist labor unions pay him better than, say, La Raza.

If Bernie Sanders sounds like Donald Trump when it comes to “taking our jobs,” consider that both are statists who reflect the widely and deeply held belief that nations are defined by states. This may be an uncomfortable reality for libertarians, but it is reality nonetheless.

National borders by definition are political boundaries. They mark the edge of a particular territory over which a political entity — a state — claims exclusive jurisdiction.

Since political borders require states, “open borders” is an oxymoron. Nothing controlled by government is “open,” whether we’re talking about the New York City taxi market or federal ethanol subsidies or the Brownsville, Texas border bridge.

Open borders can exist only if states do not exist. States require borders because they are defined by borders.

So from the statist perspective, Sanders is right: you can’t have large centralized states and unregulated borders, because those borders are at the heart of the state’s identity and its raison d’etre: control. The political technocrats who run modern nation-states have zero incentive to cede control over the flow of humans entering (or in some cases leaving) their territories. If anything, the political impulse is ever and always to expand the state’s zone of control by pushing borders outward.

Immigration is a tricky issue for libertarians precisely because the very concepts of states, borders, and “public” land (the commons) are wholly inconsistent with a political and legal philosophy based on self-ownership and property rights. It’s hard to speak rationally about immigration under the present circumstances, because we’re so far from a free society that we risk piling one kind of illibertarian “solution” upon another.

While the understandable libertarian impulse is to comport our principles with the innately human desire for free migration, we too often forget that the Noble Immigrant archetype is rooted in a statist view of immigration: one controlled by the state, in which public space trumps private property and free association. The benefits and detriments of immigration are weighed only in terms of their impact on the state.

In a libertarian society, there is no commons or public space. There are property lines, not borders. When it comes to real property and physical movement across such real property, there are owners, guests, licensees, business invitees, and trespassers — not legal and illegal immigrants.

Admittedly, it might be quite difficult to establish rightful (lawful) property owners under some sort of Lockean homesteading analysis — even in a nation as young as the US. While libertarians generally are absolutist regarding unfettered immigration, they will entertain “halfway” arguments about the most libertarian path available in a statist world on other topics (for example, see Sheldon Richman’s cogent argument analogizing access to public roads with access to publicly-issued marriage licenses). But if Hans-Hermann Hoppe offers an interim argument for dealing with the societal costs imposed by immigrants given our current system of “public goods” and entitlements, he is considered a wrongheaded statist. The same progressives and left-libertarians who champion tort liability for corporations when it comes to environmental damage fall strangely silent on the externalities caused by human migration.

Let’s be clear: the tendencies of a society based on property rights may well make progressives and left-libertarians quite unhappy. Such a society necessarily entails freedom of association and its corollary, the right to exclude. Free association might well result in regions that develop naturally based on (gasp) shared familial, economic, linguistic, social, and cultural interests. Contra the DNC, government is not “the only thing we all belong to.”

This is not to say that a libertarian concept of naturally arising “nations” entails a clannish retreat into suspicious enclaves. Surely a free society would have regions where market demand for the cosmopolitan benefits of life in a multicultural society prevails (imagine a stateless Singapore). But multicultural social democracies with vast welfare states, like Western Europe and the US, did not arise through the “market.” They are big-government constructs, and they are quickly becoming unsustainable. Multicultural welfare states are a recipe for disaster.  

Unfortunately, it appears for now we are stuck with the likes of Mr. Sanders and his faulty concept of nation-states. But if we want to advocate for a freer society, we need to apply first principles rather than sentimentality. There is a deep-rooted and natural human preference for the familiar face over the stranger, and human migration in a free society is likely to reflect this reality.

 

 

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Fri, 07/31/2015 - 22:20 | 6377698 A Dollar Short
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TEN FOUR!

Trump rocks it..

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:51 | 6377354 I Write Code
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Well, Bernie's heart may be in the right place but his head ain't, listen to him on nine out of ten issues and he's a bag of mixed nuts, and you'd be much better off with Trump. 

Though as I keep pointing out, Trump hasn't said a word about like 90% of the major issues out there, and his web site contains zip zero nada on his positions on anything, just a few clips and press releases.

Bernie trips across a nut now and then, which makes him better than most (other?) Democrats these days.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 00:44 | 6377930 Chris Dakota
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Bernie voted to send Israel arms during the Gaza massacre.

He is a FRAUD.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 17:15 | 6379445 spooz
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Bernie is one of the few in the Senate that did not sign a bipartisan AIPAC supported letter warnng Palatinians not to undertake any negative unilateral actions against Israel at the UN last September. List of senators that didn't sign"

Bernard Sanders (I), Bob Corker (R), Elizabeth Warren (D), Harry Reid*, Jeff Sessions (R), John D. Rockefeller IV*, Lisa Murkowski (R), Patrick J. Leahy* (D), Rand Paul (R), Tammy Baldwin (D), Tom Coburn (R), Tom Harkin* (D). - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/elizabeth-sanders-bandwagon#sthash.kec28GK...

 

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:28 | 6377278 WhyWait
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It's a breakthrough!  In one muddled, unfocused attack, Tyler has for the first time acknowledged Bernie exists! 

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:42 | 6377465 r00t61
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This was written by Jeff Deist from Mises.org, not Tyler.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:36 | 6377294 LetsGetPhysical
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Nativist = a worker who doesn't want their job taken by a H1B visa immigrant. Not a fan of Bernie or his unicorn socialist politics but if he's against more Mexicans flooding over the boarder or against Indians stealing tech jobs... He might actually get my vote. America for americans FIRST... Everybody else get in fucking line. Nice hit piece ZH.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:44 | 6377330 Ms No
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The US has clearly been targeted for destruction.  It may all boil down to the French and US revolutions.  While the US has gone way off course it still has a history of setting a higher water mark and we have a history of preserving some semblance of rights and standard of living that others have not.   America, even if only a shit stain of it's former self, does embody an ideal.  If the US revolts and wins it could become a contagion that spreads around the world (one can hope). 

Brzezinski in The Grand Chessboard alludes to ethnicity and religion being vulnrabilities that are exploited by more "powerful and imperially minded neighbors".  It isn't news to most here that the whole of Mexico was invited here for far more than cheap labor.

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:53 | 6377494 WTFUD
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Seldom disagree with you Ms No but from outside it appears to me that a huge majority of Americans have given up their rights, same as in the UK but even they would not tolerate such Police Brutality.

As for the French, even the Special Forces would be extremely reluctant to take on the Farmers.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 12:47 | 6378738 Ms No
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True, this is why I referred to it as a shit stain of it's former self, we are still armed to the teeth however.  Critical mass in human suffering will cause rebellion at some point. It may not be the states it could be Greece, France or elsewhere but I think it's not out of the question that our history provides an example that needs to be stamped out. 

Depending on how far back this banking cartel actually goes (I believe it is ancient/ moneychangers) it may also be personal.  The US, France and Greece have handed these guys their asses in the past, even if it was a brief victory.

P.S. Get your ass on zchat and hit the public chat every now and then so I can find you and message you, people get annoyed when we debate too long on here.  ( :

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:47 | 6377343 22winmag
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Beware fake conservatives!

 

They are far more pernicous than any demon-cat liberal.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:01 | 6377346 WTFUD
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Additions to existing communities should have a positive impact on the welfare of that community. If not then why tolerate a burden.
Too often you hear about folks being laid off from their jobs to be replaced by someone willing to accept lower terms and condition for the same job; insult is added to injury when the soon to be out of work employee is asked to train their replacement or forego any remunerations.
That's batshit crazy.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:51 | 6377347 samsara
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No Illegal immigration.   If you are going to get the benefit of the roads, clean water, emergency medical services, etc that I pay for you are either a citizen or a Legal visitor.

This should be our immigration rules.

   

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.  
 
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.  
 
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.  
 
4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
 
5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.
 
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or any other government assistance programs. Any who are a burden will be deported.
 
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
 
8. If foreigners come here and buy land, their options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
 
9. Foreigners may have NO protests; NO demonstrations, NO waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, NO bad-mouthing our president or his policies.These will lead to deportation.
 
10.. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted and, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you. The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO! Ok, they can bad mouth our president...
Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:16 | 6377417 l8apex
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Why 7 and 8?

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 21:32 | 6377587 samsara
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That's their laws. Like I said,

"The above laws are the current immigration laws of Mexico."

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 22:17 | 6377692 TeethVillage88s
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Reciprocity. Oh I had not heard of that. I know US gives away the farm unless there is some big public stink.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/iip_glance.htm (US Liability is Foreign Ownership in the USA $32 Trillion versus like $24 Trillion US ownership in foreign Countries)

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:52 | 6377358 I Write Code
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So let's hear it for protectionist unions, first time in fifty years unions will have done anything useful.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 19:58 | 6377375 MATA HAIRY
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hey, jeff deist, I will be eating your food tonight and sleeping in your bed...your house is considered 'open borders'.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:19 | 6377425 Unwashed
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I can make vapid arguments too:

 

So it there are no borders, there are no states.

If there are no states, there is no disinterested party to rule on disputes on property lines...

therefore there is no property except which can be defended by force.

Private security is assembled to define property lines

those property lines become defacto borders defining a state contained therein.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:23 | 6377432 nevertheless
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"Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders recently raised the ire of both progressives and libertarians with his remarks concerning immigration":

 

That comment is pure MSM propaganda. I am very active in progressive circles and I can say unequivocally, many progressives DON'T want open border, amnesty or sanctuary cities.

 

The greatest lie told in America is the totally contrived notion of "liberal" and "conservative". Issues should be based on their specific issue, and not be assigned to an entire segment of the Us population. By assigning an entire segment of people to specific agendas is simply stupid and manipulative.

 

The goal of divide and conquer, practiced most notably in America by the Zionist media, wishes to divide America in half, so we fight each other instead of the vermin in Washington.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:27 | 6377438 sethco
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Jeezus enough Libertarian bullshit. You're all like goddamned religious fundamentalists denying evolution and dinosaurs. It's tortured and alternately tedious and embarrassing.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 20:43 | 6377467 SSRI Junkie
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Trump/Sanders 2016...That would make for some interesting fire-side chats.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 21:05 | 6377522 gwar5
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I'm all for the nativist, nationalist and protectionist sentiments but not socialist ideology -- that's what made Latinos economic refugees in the first place.

We have to take care of Americans first. We can't pay for our own people. We are not the social safety net for the world.  If anybody really wanted to help poor hispanics they should be talking about a Marshall Plan for Latin America to turn their economies around to stop the economic refugeeism and allow them to stay in their own countries with their families and and not be desperate. 

Assholes like Obama are killing hispanics and destroying Latin culture. 

 

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 21:19 | 6377553 divide_by_zero
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"Open borders" is pretty much a trademarked program name from Soros thru his Open Society lobby wing. None of the progressive run trade unions are against open borders, quite the opposite as their members have no say where the money goes.what a bunch of shit Sanders is pushing here.

 

Sanders is either delude it lying, the progressive's aim has always been destruction of borders, language, and culture. Divide the sheep and take over

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 17:07 | 6379421 spooz
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Although you apparently have very little control of the Englished language ("Sanders is either delude it lying"), what makes you think Sanders is lying?  He has been a vocal opponent of trade agreements that rob our economy of jobs and has voted against them for years.  Its on his congressional record, if you want to check.  But yeah, he's still lying because... oh, yeah, cuz he's a SOCIALIST!!!!

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 22:21 | 6377702 A Dollar Short
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What bullshit..

GO TRUMP, eat this asshole socialist up!!

He needs to go to N. Korea and pitch his shit.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 17:04 | 6379413 spooz
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Did you bother reading the article? Like this part...

"If Bernie Sanders sounds like Donald Trump when it comes to “taking our jobs,” consider that both are statists who reflect the widely and deeply held belief that nations are defined by states."

 What exactly are you referring to? Cuz the article is typical globalist Mises miser stuff...

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 23:01 | 6377767 ZippyDooDah
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This article is a hodge podge of unclear "thought."  Yeah, just open the borders and let all the wet backs in.  Great.  This is our country

that we spent 400 years making.  Bastard ruling class is wrecking it cause it makes them money to ship all the jobs overseas.  Let the

wet backs go back to the countries they spent 400 years making and see how they like that.  Bastards want all our hard work for free.

 Bastards.

Fri, 07/31/2015 - 23:29 | 6377831 tumblemore
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Open borders can exist only if states do not exist. States require borders because they are defined by borders.

 

Nope.

 

If the state is controlled by a hostile elite that wants to balkanize the population to make it easier to control them through divide and rule then the state can open its borders as an act of stealth warfare by the elite against its original citizens.

 

And that is what the oligarchs have been doing since 1964.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 00:02 | 6377881 kchrisc
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The first two mistakes people make in thinking about slithers, pols and crats, are:

1) That they have a belief system. Slithers do not believe anything that does not benefit them in some way.

2) That everything a slither says is not a lie--A cover for a scheme that benefits them in some way.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

 

A few years ago a friend that always complained about the government and their negative effects on his business was selected (elected?) to the town council. Seemed a good person to me. Forthright and honest. However, within months of assuming office, he was seen to be driving one town theft scam after  another. He was a huge proponent for taxing, "fining," citizens for having more than one vehicle in their drive way, parking backwards in their drive way, having an unregistered vehicle in their drive way, and for having a boat in their drive way. Seems he needed to drive revenue to the town in exchange for ascertaining any of his goals. I lost his friendship the day I called his behavior "plunder for schemes."

My conclusion: It is not absolute power that corrupts absolutely, but the absolute need to service the banksters' fiat-debts, and to feed the streeters' pension scams that does.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 00:02 | 6377884 Chris Dakota
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The Uniparty wants open borders.

Funny they all jump on this issue now.

Guy in Cleavland was picked up by the cops, let go because his only crime was being illegal.

Then he murdered one woman, shot another and tried to rape a 14 yr old girl in a park.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/29/your-next-released-illegal-immigra...

 

But this has been going on all over the country for the past 60 yrs.

Juan Corona the serial killer who killed at least 25 migrant farm workers walked over the border

from Mexico in 1950.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 00:17 | 6377902 Skip
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Sanders is a Jew from Brooklyn, New York, as close to an OUT Communist as you will find. His tough talk about the 2nd amendment got him NRA support in his run for Congress, well as reality has shown he was all talk UNTIL he had the seat.

He is for ALL OUT LEGAL and it was in 1965 with LEGAL immigration that America's fate was sealed:

How the 1965 Immigration Act was DESIGNED to say BYE BYE to Whites And as far as what all these NON-EUROPEANS are doing in EUROPE, well I think this Swedish woman singer really puts it all in perspective, it is interspersed with news footage of riots in Sweden. I have to confess to getting a bit teary watching this:

Ode To A Dying People

And infuriated watching this Jewess:

Who is behind 3rd world immigration into Sweden and why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P07PZgUOL-o

Look up Barbara Spectre Lerner, an American Jewish studies professor. Here is a video of what she had to say about who is behind 3rd world immigration into all of Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug

This video expands on the Barbara Spectre section of the previous video about Sweden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROGnoNJc6Nw

There is another member of the same tribe, Anetta Kahane in Germany saying the same things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYKtwnzG7M
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The Koch brothers are leftists and sadly Libertarianism (Ayn Rand real name Alyssa Rosenbaum) used it as yet another weapon against dozing Whites.

P.C. libertarianism and the Jewish taboo

But libertarians today, with some honorable exceptions, are a changed breed. They shy away from the ever-multiplying taboo issues, if they do not actually celebrate the reigning intellectual orthodoxy. Libertarian principles are noticeable chiefly by their absence.

To illustrate the decline, let's look at a new star in the libertarian literary firmament: Ilana Mercer. A self-styled "wandering Jew," Miss Mercer was born in South Africa, the daughter of an anti-apartheid rabbi who fled to Israel, where she grew up. Having lived in Canada for a time, Miss Mercer is now ensconced in the United States, where she has moved to the fore among what passes as the libertarian punditry.

Miss Mercer's adoring assessment of the Jewish state doesn't gibe too well with the cardinal tenets of the libertarian canon. She holds to a historical view that Jews deserve the land of Israel, and she doesn't see much wrong with Israel's expropriating Palestinian private property and expelling Palestinian people, crimes that are still being committed, by the way. Presumably, in her mind the "collective rights" of the Jewish people trump individual rights, a position that harks back to the days a hundred years ago when "libertarian" often referred to communists of a somewhat unorthodox kidney. In any case, the notion is alien to modern libertarianism insofar as that body of thought proceeds from individualist premises.

While referring to the former white-ruled South Africa as fascistic, Miss Mercer insists that the Jewish state should be free to resist contamination by the multiculturalist contagion that an influx of Palestinians would bring. She lauds Ariel Sharon's new Israeli "security" wall (which would rightly be called an incarceration wall), finding nothing wrong with the fact that it is being built on Palestinian property, restricts the Palestinians to economically non-viable areas, and leaves more than half of the West Bank and all the water resources in Israeli hands! To Miss Mercer, the fact that all Palestinians hate Israel because of what it has done to them only demonstrates their innate savagery. Apparently we are to believe that rational, freedom-loving Palestinians, if such chimeras could exist, would joyously accept their Israeli overlords and give thanks to Uncle Ariel for letting them pace back and forth in the postage-stamp areas still left to them and sip a cup of dirty water when that precious commodity became available. Rothbard, whom Miss Mercer identifies as one of her philosophical mentors, saw the Revolutionary War as one of the few justified wars fought by the American people; but the oppression of the American colonists by the British Empire was nugatory compared to the suffering inflicted on the Palestinian people by Israel for more than half a century.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 00:19 | 6377905 Chris Dakota
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Barbara Spectre Lerner, sister of Lois Lerner IRS who specialized in auditing white people.

lol

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 01:04 | 6377947 monad
Sat, 08/01/2015 - 11:56 | 6378602 Miffed Microbio...
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Monad, this is a fabulous video! Thankfully I have the time now to watch it. Very informative and he has filled in some questions I had pondered yet were unresolved. I will enjoy his other topics as well.

It is rare today to find those who have such a historical grasp on the dilemma facing Western Europe and USA today and presenting it so thoughtfully and eloquently. His dry sarcasm is hysterically funny ( yet poignant at times). Thanks so much for the link. I was hoping to find something to keep me mentally stimulated during this bedtime sentence and you have provided me with something great!

On a personal note, I do wish to say your biography touched me deeply. I too was given an incredible gift from the Devine when I had given up all was hopeless to continue. The narrow world of my dark suffering was cast off with expansive Light. Now I cannot believe I had lived in that place of self consuming sorrow.

I am not sure who or what the Devine has in my future but, assuredly, it is where I need to be. Relax, let go and go beyond. Enter a world all have been offered but few explore being consumed in fear of dissolving the false construct and safety of our self concepts. Sometimes a little duress in ones life is a good thing!

Miffed;-)

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 13:34 | 6378864 Miffed Microbio...
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Wait and Hope. Fine wisdom. Those of us who find patience challenging and impetuous actions seductive should heed this. I shall resist placing the mirror face down.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 15:32 | 6379176 monad
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When the mind is quieted, the multiplicity of things disappears. Gotama

I clear my mind. I see things as they are. I am a conduit for a higher power.

Happy Birthday, Jerry

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 16:22 | 6379305 Miffed Microbio...
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You are what you think. Everything you are arises from your thoughts. With your thoughts you make the world (Miffed's butchering of the first lines of the dhammapada) ;-)

Being born in maya we must transact with it. The key is not having ones Awareness being hooked by it. Instead allow the energies of it to pass through us so we can move higher.

My challenge was the build up of Samskaras on my heart. Once removed, one by one, Gods light filled the space. We block what is given to us and live hidden in a dark box. Tear that away and the expanse of Light, which has always been there, is finally seen.

Peace is not found in the extremes but in the center, the Way.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 08/02/2015 - 03:16 | 6380650 monad
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When I am a conduit I see the world as the power sees it. I am a privileged guest. The order of magnitude is amplified many orders of magnitude beyond human.

I have seen this world clearly and I have seen other worlds. As Terence McKenna said

The greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is endangered by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness... it doesn't mean anything if you don't bring something back.

I did. I did not go lightly, flatfooted. I'm an engineer. I brought back something marvelous. When I tried to present my work to academia, to claim the CAI prizes (all of them), all hell broke loose, I disappeared. Fearing torture, I put it back where I found it, as I found it, and left myself 2 clues. The more time passes, the harder it will be, but I can still recover it. Just not under duress.

Man is by nature a social animal; an individual who is unsocial naturally and not accidentally is either beneath our notice or more than human. Society is something that precedes the individual. Anyone who either cannot lead the common life or is so self-sufficient as not to need to, and therefore does not partake of society, is either a beast or a god.

The Gita is an allegory, a series of parables. Just like the other Books, just older. For the profane, its a promise of justice Beyond Life. For the initiates, business school. The Gita teaches us that we are not responsible for the others, they are responsible for themselves. We are to be patient with them as they grow up. Stay clear of them.

Sun, 08/02/2015 - 03:22 | 6380664 farmerbraun
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Give me a hint about your "insight".
Just one word will do.

Sun, 08/02/2015 - 04:38 | 6380697 monad
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Consider the Poincare conjecture. Take a good look. Apply the scientific method to the current proposed solution.

Sun, 08/02/2015 - 12:13 | 6381480 Miffed Microbio...
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I am struggling in response. I have known 2 others with the gift of Sight as you have described. One was a young man in college who pointed out several erroneous assumptions made by a respected physicist. He was soundly and publicly excoriated by this man for his ideas and eventually had to leave the school. Years later he came upon a paper by the professor using his theories. He had garnered accolades for this pivotal new thought which had caused to question the assumptions of other physicists. Of course, my friend was not acknowledged but he showed me his work and the comments this man had made on his paper. We both share in Truth and this PhD is capitalizing on it. The other was my very innovative father who came up with a brilliant idea all laughed at. Undaunted he worked on his own for years. When finally unveiled, those who could not see were no longer laughing. They did find stealing it far more profitable than sharing. He died a very broken man. It is now a multibillion dollar company and his name is not associated with it.

My impulse is to advise you not to share your discovery. To let it die with you. Just because I have witnessed the damage to beings as yourself. Can you release this and watch others take it and capitalize on your gift of sight? Can you walk away unscathed and untouched? Are you this evolved? Those who want power and respect but have no ability are always looking for people as you whom they can use. A feeding frenzy of gulls when the fisherman tosses out the parts from his catch of the day. Do you have a moral duty to human society? My inclination is to say no. A pregnant woman must bring forth the new life inside her or die trying. You have a choice. Sorry farmerbraun. ;-)

We are in an intellectual dark age where good ideas, innovation and new concepts are threatened by a Global Inquisition. Thought Police whose goal is to eradicate alternative viewpoints. A Wrinkle in Time imposed conformity. Those who wander outside this paradigm are used, discarded and never celebrated. But my cynicism doth show. My empathy as well because I am troubled when I witness others being hurt. Take care monad is not hurt by those undeserved of his gift.

Miffed

Sun, 08/02/2015 - 14:03 | 6381910 monad
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Tesla and Einstein started filing at about the same time. They didn't have examples like themselves. JPM killed Wardencliff. Tesla built hydroelectric dams all over the US before Eleanor Roosevelt shut it all down, allegedly to save a rat that probably immigrated here from Europe. We know better, don't we?

Einstein was enthusiastic about nuclear power. Instead the priority of the majority is always nuclear bombs. Can't even process the waste. Put yourself in their shoes. I'm certain they both continued their research, but concealed their best work and obfuscated what they had already let out of the box. They weren't greedy or reckless enough to choose their work before the rest of the species, perhaps all life.

I spent 30 years looking for it. I found it. Its better than I expected. The implications are transformative.

Some people are much worse than I ever imagined. I burned my notes, broke up my hard drives and stopped the work. Its not even in my head anymore. Just the memory of the first few solutions. In one way this is for the best. But TPTB stopped me and blocked the work, which only serves them. I'm sure I have more naive dopplegangers working in their institutions, insulated from any responsibility for the consequences of their actions. 

Sun, 08/02/2015 - 17:18 | 6382575 Miffed Microbio...
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Twenty years ago I was involved in alpha testing a new hematology instrument. The technology was built by a small company using lasers vs electrical impedance, radically different approach. We ran our patient samples through it so they could collect more data. I was impressed what they had developed. Their instrument caught a patient with malaria our instrument at the time could not have identified. Their field guy told me they were overjoyed that a large manufacturer had noticed them and they were being bought. Finally they would have the resources to perfect their technology. I found out later this company had literally smashed all of their instruments and shelved their work. My first experience in what a large corporation does to the competition. I was incredulous but thankfully much wiser for the experience.

I have no doubt to what evil lurks in the world today. TPTB will steal with no hesitation or remorse lacking the capacity to feel empathy towards others. Scientists are not immune remembering Max Planck's suffering under Nazi Germany. One can only imagine what an Iranian nuclear physicist's life today is like. But my cynicism shows once again.

Frankly, I do not know the correct answer. To share the transformative idea in the hope it will do good or to bury it to not allow evil to gain from it. I wish I could query Oppenheimer on this. He seems to have grappled with this issue more than most. But seeing his troubled, self destructive personal life, I don't think his response would be a pleasant resolution.

Miffed

Sun, 08/02/2015 - 17:50 | 6382679 farmerbraun
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I think that Perelman's course of action is exemplary and instructive.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 15:37 | 6379192 Alvin Fernald
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+10 for Molyneux sources... maybe some statists here at 0 will accidentally watch these videos.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 04:03 | 6378075 Lin S
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Open borders serve to expedite the extinction of whites. The democratic voters and cheap labor are a bonus, but the main goal is to wipe out white people.

It's working remarkably well, it seems...

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 16:44 | 6379360 Alvin Fernald
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Whites expecting fedgov to protect them expedites the extinction of whites. FIFY

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 04:26 | 6378090 Batman11
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Western market reforms were imposed on Russia that bought chaos, created the oligarchs and left the majority with next to nothing.

The majority now had the Western freedom to do what they wanted but didn't have the money to do anything at all (even eat in a lot of cases).

The Russians had been shown the hollowness of Western freedoms if you have no money and the grass is no longer greener on the other side of the fence.

Putin bought an end to the chaos and restored order.

Putin now has approval ratings of over 80% something most Western leaders can only dream of.

 

The Libertarian freedom of spending your money as you choose is a rich man's freedom.

When the poor always outnumber the rich it can never work in a democracy.

Libertarian ideas require a dictatorship.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 04:34 | 6378094 Batman11
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If the US state did disappear, the US would provide rich pickings for another state like China or Russia.

The indigenous US population was quickly overwhelmed by the UK state in the first place.

 

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 05:05 | 6378112 Batman11
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The Libertarian freedom of spending your money as you choose is a rich man's freedom.

I like this freedom because it means I can give my children unfair advantage through private schools and universities.

I can talk about Darwinism, succeeding on your own merit and survival of the fittest while constantly tilting the playing field in favour of my own children. 

A Darwinian society where people do succeed on their own merit looks like this:

1) Everyone succeeds on their own merit
2) There is no un-earned wealth or power, e.g inheritance, trust funds, hereditary titles
3) There is a uniform schools system for everyone with no private schools or universities

It’s called a meritocracy.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 05:52 | 6378129 bombdog
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Liberals contradict themselves by advocating free movement, because it's impossible to maintain a welfare state. Of course they don't think of that, but that's the socialist way, to just spend the money and worry about it later.

Libertarians want free movement, but without some kind of commons you have to navigate a patchwork of private interests just to get from A to B. We could incorporate a friendly society to recieve the assets of the bankrupt state, but it would have to be held in trust for the common people to be workable. Total privatisation of property and free movement only work in an idealised perfectly executed libertarian wet dream. I consider myself a libertarian, but you need to have some kind of idea about free movement and not just pretend the market will take care of it.

I guess the ordinary people just want some kind of balance. Problem is people still don't really get what a state is and isn't, because the years of democracy and populist nonsense have ruined them, both in their ethics and their mental faculties. They will vote for what they can get in the short term and never be able to self-examine, take the long view.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 06:32 | 6378138 falak pema
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The libertarian concept as defined here has a poiltical reality in history. It was called FEUDALISM.

Each feudal had an OBLIGATION to fight for his political tribe or divine right king. Every feudal construct had a church or spiritual belief system. So feudals worked under the authority of a "divine right" king who gave him "inalienable" property rights to be handed down by father to son. 

It was a political system where everybody had the obligation to serve the guy above him in tribal heirarchy and the obligation to accept the three rules of their society : one king, one religion and one Law (both divine and secular) that the respective entities enforced under the divine right king's authority.

So to summarise all political constructs are historically : nation state, feudal or abide by supranational authorities; the last an invention of 20 century evolution; where nations delegate that authority via a commonly accepted charter (which they are supposed to adhere to but which they don't whence the impotence of these suprantional bodies like the UN).

The only other form of government is no government and thats called anarchy  or hunter gatherer rule. It died when urban civilization was born , and tribal rule emerged leading on to the other forms of political governance.

Has Von Mises Institute  now invented a political UFO to match Dr Krugman's "alien ET" type invasion fanstasy?

The age of AI  and Cyborg will create a new frontier where knowledge will become free and the software factory will replace the hardware factories of this age. We will consume only the minimal amount for body sustenance and feed the spirit of cyborgian man in virtual life where we will create as well; aka 3D type print of objects based on material recycling (circular economy to use frugally our earth's crust, oceans and air. More hanging gardens of organic food in urban environments etc.) Our life styles will change and capitalism will move to shared economies  of scale; not to "protected value added, coercive profit and oligarchy greed chains".

How will humanity govern the Cyborg age? 

Big question ! 

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 08:23 | 6378200 ArmyofOne
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What "protectionist labor union" is Bernie being paid more from?

 

Lots of accustation little in the way of facts.

Sat, 08/01/2015 - 08:52 | 6378220 Peter K
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Rule of thumb: If the Koch Bros are mentioned, and Soros is not, then the article is bogus.

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