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Lois Lerner Emails Released: "Lincoln Should Have Let The South Go..."
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Remember Lois Lerner? How could you forget. She’s the former head of the IRS’ Exempted Organizations division who was caught using the agency to target Americans based on their political views.
Well we now have snippets from some of her email conversations, and it becomes crystal clear that she targeted conservatives because, well, she really hates conservatives. Clearly the type of person who should be placed in a position of governmental power.
From the Hill:
Lois Lerner, the central figure in the IRS targeting controversy, called Abraham Lincoln the country’s worst president in an email disclosed in a bipartisan Senate report, according to USA Today.
“Look my view is that Lincoln was our worst president not our best,” Lerner wrote in an email dated March 6, 2014.
Lerner, the former IRS director of Exempted Organizations, joked in one email that the 16th president should have just let the South secede, rather than fighting the Civil War.
“He should [have] let the south go,” Lerner wrote in response to a friend who disparaged Texas as a “pathetic” state. “We really do seem to have [two] different mind sets.”
And what is your “mind set” Ms. Lerner? That government officials should target American citizens if they hold political views you don’t like?
The report also highlighted emails written by Lerner calling conservatives “crazies” and “a–holes.”
Yes ladies and gentlemen, this is your government. Corrupt beyond belief, shady, unethical, dangerous and vengeful.
So why is Lois Lerner not sitting in a jail cell for this clear abuse of power? Because oligarchy.
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they don't call it "The People's Republic of Travis County" for nothing, you know...
turd in the punch bowl more like it
Nothing that a few bayonets can't fix.
Exactly.
Fix bayonets!
Happens to every 'free' State that allows the East Coast brigade to move in and overtake the political structure. Control Freaks can't help themselves. Wherever they go, under whatever political stripe, it's always the same.
Civil War had NOTHING to do with Slavery!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes it did! Universal slavery. On July 1st, 1862 the IRS was created. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_ServiceUhhh, I think we need to have an opinion poll of who was the worst pres. There are many others that would qualify for a tie or close 2nd.
I'm going with the current and taking the over.
Lois Lerner and those lovely people should be moved to live in Ferguson:
http://suzanneelliott.tumblr.com/post/126333368373/tyga-gives-girlfriend...
It's civil war time, like it or not.
It never really ended. The only document signed was a cease fire agreement. The South never surrendered or officially rejoined the union. The Confederacy has maintained a Government in Waiting all these many years and has actively followed a plan to bankrupt the Union. Every Confederate State and Texas has been an economic drag on the Union starting with the occupation and taking far more in taxes than they give. That's the reason they now believe they should have let us go. Something else they have only now begun to realize is where Military Personal come from. Over 90% are from Southern States. That's the reason why most Military Bases are named for famous Confederate Soldiers. We've been working on this since the occupation began and now we can see the end coming. When the collapse hits the Union will have no Industry, no Military, and no Foreign allies to help them out.
Lots of schools in Houston are named for Confederate Generals but the PC army is working hard to erase all that.....
GO WESTBURY REBELS!
Is that why America is engaged in foreign wars? To keep soldiers from the South away from the US? I wonder what Homeland Security's composition is.
The Texas state comptroller spoke at a meeting I attended last week. When asked if we were a donor or recipient state, he said that we are definitely a donor state.
Besides that, Texas is spending 100s of millions of dollars to defend our southern border. That is a federal function. The feds won't enforce their own laws, so the state has to take over. There are plenty of good uses for our tax dollars in Texas including cutting taxes so that the money can be used more productively. Maybe US sovereignty is not an iimportant concept to the folks in the federal administrative branch of government, but we in Texas like our immigration to be orderly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conclusion_of_the_American_Civil_War#Presi...
note also that, in order to regain representation in Congress, the southern states had to waive their right to secede...
it's fucking over, dude... let it go
Yes, they were required to ratify the 14th amendment BEFORE they were allowed to rejoin,,, which means the 14th was not properly ratified.
And by the way,,, How's that 14th doing now with the millions of illegals using it as their gateway to heaven.
The 14th will end up being the undoing of the USA. Couldn't happen to a nicer government.
And her bloodline she have been culled....
I agree with her, but for different reasons.
750,000 Americans died in the Civil War. Was it worth it?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/civil-war-toll-up-by-20-percen...
The civil war could have been avoided if compensation was paid to the slave owners fr the loss of slaves. The fact of the matter is that the payment of compensation would have been much cheaper in terms of lives lost, costs incurred and lasting hatred that resulted from the civil war.
paid with what? paper fiat?
Well I guess the alternative they got was a lot more expensive, so what was THAT paid with?
"paid with what? paper fiat?"
Surely gold would have been acceptable.
Cheaper for who? Many well-connected families made a tremendous amount of money selling all those weapons.
Guess what asshat, all wars are bankers wars. As soon as I saw those tower fall, I bought the shit out of Hallibutron... ...the smart money knew what was going on all along...
Keep making profits like that and there will nothing left of the country for your childrena and grandchildren to inherit.
So while it was clever and timely for you to buy the shit out of Haliburton, what did it really do for your country?
What part of "evolve or fucking die" do you have a problem with hypocrite? You really don't think I support local charities etc. You don't know shit about me or my operation. This is the fundamental problem with all this elitist arrogant overeducated fucks. They believe in evolution but don't believe in real consequences for BAD behavior (which is the foundation of evolution - again fuck em, fuck them right to hell).
same as it ever was...
Money made on the blood of others.
Your right,,, always been that way.
So you're the smart money. Gee, guess I'll have to pay more attention to your stuff.
The civil war could have been avoided if they hung banksters
right, the junker must have been incredulous at the omission of the rail owners and the rest of the fascist structure, right? lol...
keep junkin', and nevermind the root of the problems.
every president that ever went against the banks had attempts on his life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenback_(money)
There were proposals to provide for compensated emancipation, which if I recall correctly had a target completion date of Jan 1, 1900.
The Civil war was never about slavery. That's the propaganda you've been fed and took hook, line, and sinker. It was about States Rights (which you no longer have). The only reason Lincoln called for the end of slavery was due to his battle losses of union soldiers. In an effort to refill the union ranks he promised Escaped Slaves and Blacks 40 acres and a mule if they joined the union army and fought in the war. Needless to say that promise was never kept and as those people became homeless when they were forced out of the union army at the point of bayonets because the union wanted to go back to an all white army and what few Blacks remained were segregated into their own regiments in the worst areas on the country where Whites refused to serve.
So, Booth was a hero after all?
Yes, to the boys in Rome and Andrew, our first LBJ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth
The Booth family had traditionally been Episcopalian. Clergyman Charles Chiniquy, however, stated that John Wilkes Booth was really a Roman Catholic convert, later in life. A historian, Constance Head, also declared that Booth was of this religion. Head, who wrote the 1982 paper "Insights on John Wilkes Booth from His Sister Asia's Correspondence," published in the Lincoln Herald, quoted from a letter of Booth’s sister, Asia Booth Clarke, in which she wrote that her brother was a Roman Catholic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Chiniquy
http://www.catholicstandard.org/Content/News/Entertainment/Article/Myste...
http://www.rense.com/general80/slin.htm
No, but it was the price that had to be paid for the sin of slavery
Just wait for the price paid for the sin of aborting 50+ million babies.
"No, but it was the price that had to be paid for the sin of slavery"
Soooo,,, at what point is that price paid in full?
This has been ongoing for seven generations.
The "government" has not been legitimate since Lincoln's War. When the southern States' contingent walked out of congress and congress adjourned "sine die" (without a day), congress officially dissolved. They never had a lawful quorum so never lawfully reconvened.
It was Lincoln ruling by decree back then which is the basis for all actions since. He ordered congress to do certain things under martial law (military rule). He even had the governor of New York arrested for opposing certain decrees.
We have had a corporation ACTING as government since 21 Feb 1871.
See:
28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)
(15)“United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
So... B and C are subdivisions of the "Federal corporation." For further verification go to Dunn & Bradstreet (dnb.com) or manta.com. You will find that ALL government entities are listed as private corporations right down to your local police department and school district.
The "law" isn't what you think it is. It's all corporate regulations. Congress and legislatures are acting as the board of directors for the corporations and most don't have any idea. You are simply seen as a corporate asset (human resource) with an asset tag # (SS#) that is not allowed to tell your owner what to do.
The questions you should be asking are, "Who owns it?" "Who are they really working for whether they know it or not?" "What are the requirements to be a CEO of a corporation?"
Hint: You don't have to be a Citizen of any specific country to head up a corporation.
These Criminal Psychopaths / Sociopaths are just minions gaming a Criminal FRUAD system all based on Contract Fraud through our CONSENT (Blacks Law Dictionary) & deception.
From Lincoln, to the Act of 1871, Fed Reserve Act of 1913, to The Emergency Banking Act of 1933. No doubt, thse Megalomaniac's have taken historical FACT, twisted it, kept it from public knowledge to use as leverage in their diabolical plan to Enslave / Control mankind. And, the entire planet.
Correct, unfortunately the truth is treason in an empire of lies.
+1000
excellent comment!
These are the sad facts ladies and gentlement.. whether you realize it or not. Wash D.C. is a corporation. Always has been. I imagine the 'personhood' of corporations made D.C. the Corp into D.C. the Crown. The Supreme Court has, in their rulings, time and time again made the distinction between 3 different definitions of the United States. The above being one of them. Think about it, prior to the 14th Amendment, there was no such thing as a U.S. Citizen. Each man or woman was an US National and a citizen of their respective State. And this all dates back to the time that was highlighted, the period of the Civil War. The 14th being one of the results of the same.
Each state, city, town, village government are as well subsidiary corporations. New York City for example has a Office of Corporate Council. This is the same office that handles enforcement in the kangaroo admimnistrative courts of all fines and penalties that the CORPORATION imposes on its corporate citizens as well as the defense of the Corporation when they appropriate what you THINK is your property but really isnt. Like your car for example. We have to fundamentally shift our perception of this country in order to understand its actions in this time. Why is it that most judges couldn't care less about the Constitution? because when you go into a court of "Law" you are going into an administrative hearing. Man, this thing is diabolically genius. What you are, in fact, are corporate citizens of the corporate entity called the United States incorporated DBA Washington D.C. -- This place is not even a part of the United States but by judgements of the SCOTUS, it is foreign territory. This rabbit hole runs very deep.
But moreover, the rabbit hole that is the IRS is even more bizarre. They operate on old English process of collecting debts for the king using the Statute Staple but these agents/bureaucrats/even lawyers and judges are utterly and completely clueless of this. Mostly they are lawless thugs depending on the ignorance of the people at large to carry out their demonic vampire designs on the people of this country.
Remember the film "America, Freedom to Fascism" by Aaron Russo? Well that was wiffle ball compared to the reality of things but the most interesting thing that stands out from that film is that the IRS' own field manuals state that the tax system is VOLUNTARY. Ask youself over and over again, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE. Then begin your journey down the rabbit hole. What you find will infuriate you beyond reason. It's all quite true. It is voluntary by the laws and regulations of the US and the IRS... so, what's going on here?
READ THIS:
https://glennspeaksthetruth.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/sun-tzu-petition-to...
IMO that is why the Articles were flushed for the Constitution.
The Articles were written with the states and people sovereign. The Constitution was written for a National sovereign. Those bill of rights everybody is so proud of wasn't added until the very end to coerce the states into ratifying the document. One could say the founders were traitors as there was no reason to relegate the states and people to suffer under a tyrannical national government as they have. All the original individualism, freedom, liberty, rule of law have been sucked into that vacuum called Washington DC which now after 250 years is coming out of the closet and showing it's true colors.
The Constitution was the first step to the Corporatist government these two posters illustrate. Like everything else relating to the U.S. government, what you think is real... is not,,, just as the Wizard of Oz depicts.
All true, but what can we, the pleebs, do about it
Laugh at them... they hate that worse than anything
Don't participate in their elections... more embarrassment.
Throw wrenches into their projects any way you can.
and im sure when trump comments on this, it will just add to the feminist BS "war on women".
unfucking real with this lerner clown - i truely thought she openned the door to have her taking of the 5th revoked when she gave an openning statement with her position of innocence. absolute joke. her & hillary should be sharing a cell.
Where's the smoking gun email wherein orders came from His Holiness, the Boy King Obama, to Lerner telling her to persecute all non-orthodox (ie, non-communist) political groups?
I think she is racist.
Southern Lives matter! Fire her ass.
Maybe we should just put her in jail for breaking the law.
I realize it sounds extreme.....but we could just do that.
Vince did in fact believe in the rule of law. Look how that turn out for him. The moral hazard that has been unleased is going to be a real motherfucker.
Give her a raise. She recognized the Southern cancer.
Ex Cathedra, part of the libtard tranny cancer in the north.
Yes. Too bad we can't secede, and send all the gays, diversity, SJWs and statists to the enlightened and Social Justice fearing neighbors to the north. They hvae too many whties and need some diversification.
We can empty a few of our cities(thus making them safe for whites once again) and those statist Yankees can get a real good taste of what they've been jamming down our throats for the last 50 years at least.
Secede now and export the garbage to where it will feel right at home.
Who's with me?
No no no
Only welfare entitled Black inner city lives matter.
The Confederacy would have crumbled under the weight of its own fractious self. It only had slavery as a uniting function. The Civil War caused it to remain an entity longer than it would have without it.
Lincoln of course should have let it go. No-brainer.
Conservatives are ok. Modern-day Republicans - they're crazy.
Please, wake the fuck up. The "modern day" politician is a bought and paid puppet for the money printers. Such "let the majority eat cake" experiments have been tried before and they always end the same way.
Get long black markets, sharecropping and guillotines, beat the rush.
You can blow me now.
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The Confederacy would have crumbled under the weight of its own fractious self...
Yep, the Confederate Congress and their govoners couldn't even agree on what color their curtains should be.
Gray!
It's the new white.
The south would have prospered if allowed to leave peacefully, and slavery, being as inefficienct as it was, would have been abandoned with the advent of modern agricultural equipment.
The confederacy would have won if it had the resources the north had. We certainly out-Generalled them.
Deo Vindice
You ceratinly would have won but for a small problem called REALITY.
I'm sure the Union army wasn't conscripting European immigrants right off the boat, because so many northern men were solidly behind the cause to liberate the negro.
Please continue to educate us on your version of history. Some of us find it compelling in the sense that is indicates just how irrvecolably fucked you are.
The War of Northern Aggression was never about the "cause to liberate the negro" until the media and Lincoln made it look that way. The war was about power and money, like all wars are.
As I tell anyone who will listen, Eli Whitney did far more to end slavery than any politician ever did. Especially that scumbag lawyer named Lincoln, who did not free a single slave in his blessed Union.
He was first and foremost a power aggregator for corporate welfare, which at the time was the railroads.
can you imagine the amount of trouble you would cause just by citing facts in a history class? the truth sometimes hurts
The railroads and the big fabric mills in the Northeast.
"We certainly out-Generalled them."
Well,,, IMO,,,, That was certainly one of the Souths biggest problems.... loyalty. The generals handling the war were West Point and still had a smidgen of the loyalty beat into them day after day at that academy. Proof in the pudding is when they passed up Washington early in the war. Could have sacked the entire northern government. But their true, bottom line loyalty was with Washington and they made up excuses for letting the opportunity go.What did it get them? Shermanized. The North burnt most of the South down. Sent in the Carpet baggers which stole anything left. Even the Slaves whom supposedly the whole war was was fought over was left to fend for themselves.
The South today is nothing more than a Northern retirement center. Most of their heritage bred out and their history revised to show them as the most hateful people ever to exist,,, even worse than Nazi's,,, which today the Northern government openly funds and supports.
The slaves of the Confederacy are now the slaves of the Union along with the rest of the population. The only reason the government sides with the black slaves of today is to keep stoking the fire of division with the rest of the slaves.
The last thing this modern Lincoln government wants is a united citizenry against government tyranny.
What is this mythical southern "heritage" you refer to? If it doesn't mean slavery, what does it mean, and how is it uniquely "southern"?
Exactly. The Confederacy would have become a wholly owned subsidiary of the British Empire, until British public opinion turned against propping up a socialist slaveholder regime. That would have poisoned Union opinion against the Brits, so no U.S. Involvement in WW1 and no treaty of Versailles and no Hitler. In the early 20th century the Confederacy would beg to rejoin the U.S., and they would have to have been integrated back into real civilization like East Germany.
Fuck the Confederacy, by the way.
Tariffs on Yankee goods on the lower Mississippi River would have brought great prosperity to the South. Lincoln knew the river. He took a keel boat down the river from Indiana at least once. On those trips, the goods would be delivered to market, the boat dismantled and the planks sold then the boatmen would ride horses back north.
"Let the south go" -- Please do. Sounds fucking great to me, Texas will keep their oil and natural gas. The vast majority of the military already comes from southern states anyway. Sounds fucking great. Fuck the takers in the north in D.C. and Wall Street. It's time those fuckers worked for a living anyway. Fuck em, fuck em straight to hell!!!!
Any independent South would soon disapperar due to inbreeding.
Incest, the national sport of the South!
You talking about the English elite who founded Georgia as a socialist utopia?
Any independent North would soon disapperar due to their bankrupt welfare plantation.
Stupidity, the national sport of the North!
Are you talking about the Delanos and the Roosevelts?
Au contraire!
Incest is actually occuring at frightening levels in all of America's inner cities. In the hood, where 73% of children are born illegitimately, brothas be fuckin sistas and shit and they ain't even know.
Knowmsayin?
Lincoln hould have let the south go? First sensible thing this woman has said. As a matter of fact I propose that .gov follow her sage advice.
Exactly. As I have stated over and over for some 20+ years now. The U.S. is heading to the same end point the Soviet Union went to. The actually producing states will not be able to support the grift/taking states. Fuck em. That which cannot be sustained, won't be. Get long sharecropping and black markets.
I said five years ago that everyone should just go to work and tell payroll to pay them minimum wage for the next year, then go directly to the government for handouts. That'll shut it all down overnight.
But she's not sensible.
We really need public caning as a punishment in this country.
"We really need public execution in this country." -- fixed.
Liberty is a demand, tyranny is submission - the guillotine grows hungrier by the day.
Canings should be applicable for left lane hogs. Hangings are more appropriate for the anti-American-types like Lerner.
Anal Canings would be unique.
She won't be visiting Texas anytime soon.
I hope she does.
'So, I guess it is context here. The piece admits she was ;joking', and her musing about 'the south' has some truth to it.
That set of thoughts shows no corruption and is no worse than louie gomert and rick perry advocatng succession.
Lois Lener is a tyrant. Gomert and Perry aren't. If you can't see the difference, you better not be a position of influence, or you'll contribute to starting the next war.
sic fuk Tyranus !
Lois Lerner is a patriot who recognized the teahdist cancer.
Ex Cathedra is part ot the libtard tranny cancer.
I encourage you to keep amplifying that signal. We need to awaken a few more down South to the tyranny.
'So, I guess it is context here
Kinda like what Fox did to Donald Trump with the on your knees statement......talk about a fishing expedition.
*secession*
Succession is a completely different thing that also might be coming to a country near you.
I've never heard Louie Gohmert advocate secession. He has advocated to remove John Boehner from the speakership. Not the same.
Obama for America has their own tool planted here in Louie's district. So far we haven't turned blue.
Lincoln was our most despicable president and wrote the best piece of American prose. One day the 3rd-worlders who are taking over this turf will tear down his statue and give him the oblivion he deserves.
Deo Vindice....The Great Seal of the South.
God Wills It! Well, guess God was on vacation those years...or He saw no reason to support them anyway.
She deserves to hang. Hang that bitch for treason.
Reagan (Pe Be Upon Him) was the Ayatollah's bitch.
Too bad Hinckley missed.
Quit wasting your welfare check on meth and crack.
yeah that would have been great for GHWB, right? that was the plan, you moron!
Why didn't she .... " let the Tea Party go " .... selective release of favorable Emails ?
So why is Lois Lerner not sitting in a jail cell for this clear abuse of power? Because oligarchy. WRONG.
Because she works for the Jewish Cartel that latches on to a society and bleeds it dry. Its the same story though out history. Stop making up pretty words to cover for these people. This cartel has killed its own people to protect members. So while everybody is worried about the Muslim terrorist knocking at your door maybe you should look at the people doing the most damaged in our daily lives.
You lost me .... with the Joo spiel !
Lois Lerner does not just work for the jewish cartel. She is a jew herself. And so is Victoria Nuland (AKA Nudelman), Samantha Powers, Marie Harf and many, many more.
I recently found out about this website:
http://www.dailystormer.com/
Seems to be gaining in popularity on Alexa, despite being a bit over the top. What does that tell you?
Another reason to vote for Trump. Maybe he will go after these assholes
Of course, there was no call from the far right when the Reaganites and Bushies voiced their political opinions at work and used the IRS to target liberals.
Typical flip-flopping conservatard moral relativists.
The difference that you fail to see is that liberals deserve to be targeted.
Target all humans. It's simple and fair.
Coming soon my friend, soon
Is there something the animal contingent isn't telling us?
Just what's always lying beneath the thin veneer of civility
Creepy!! I'm sure glad _humans_ are intrinsically civil or I'd be REALLY worried.
/sarc detector: beep beep beep beep
Republicans give conservatives a bad name. OTOH, when Bush had both Houses under Republican control, the Party really did do a fantastic job of sticking to their small government platform. Now, we all remember the heroic reforms and massive FedGov size reduction they pushed through ....
Don't we?
Lincoln was wrong. He should have ordered the execution of every one of the southern traitors and castrated the rest.
So says Ex Cathedra, the castrated libtard tranny who lives as a welfare slave on the bankrupt Democrat entitlement plantation.
He should have executed the traitors including those in his adminstration, and published the truth about what was happening so that an informed citizenry could defend themselves in the future.
No incumbent American politician has tried this yet. Ross Perot tried and Ron Paul fondled the truth, but we haven't made it to second base yet.
You apparently have as little respect for the Constitution as Lincoln and Obama.
Article 3 section III
Hey I got an idea: Why don't you come on down and start your little pogrom right here.
PM me and I'll give you my address.
You'll be welcomed with open arms.
Nothing like calling out Internet keyboard tough guys! They are always pussies through and through who love to talk shit, but fortunately can't be arsed to actually do it.
The entire govt apparatus from the top down needs to be treated like a corrupt hard drive; don't try to fix infected sectors just wipe the whole thing clean and start over.
I suspect in this case something stronger than an anti-root kit will be needed.
Some people may have acted stupidly but not corruption. Not a smidgen of corruption. Barack Obama
Obama is using lawyer speak. He is correct in saying there "...is not a smidgen of corruption" in this matter, because there is in all reality "...a complete totality of corruption" in this matter.
They are experts in the art of the unsaid.
Many years ago, a joke e-mail explained the art of writing devastating job history in a misleadingly polite way.
For example, "No one can do a better job (than so-and-so)." Think about it.
She is actually right here. Congress nor the president have any power to wage war on the several states. If they can do that, then they can do anything. And here we are.
The civil war was not about slavery. That was just an excuse to cripple the South because it was largely agricultural and depended on slave labour. Slavery is a horrible thing but abolishing slavery was a tactic to economically hurt the South. There was nothing humanitarian about it. The civil war was about an industrial North trying to get control over an agricultural South.
From an economic perspective, abolishing slavery also just happened to create a captive market for industrial output of agricultural tools, machines, etc. But the need for more efficient agricultural machines post-slavery could also have driven that period of innovation. I don't have enough information to decide what drove what, but I'd like to see someone do an ecomonic thesis on this subject.
Interesting thought indeed. Innovation and industrialization enventually took off in agriculture as well.
The Federal government already had control of the South. Despite the crazy revisionism that has become popular due to the fact "honkies is evil", the Civil War was over slavery as its prime motivation, And it was for global moral issues. England had already declared slavery evil as well as illegal, and was intercepting every slave ship it could find leaving Africa. It was a global issue of the time. To see it through the lense of recent hatred of whites is a mistake. And I will not be responding to this, so feel free to flame...after you research the reality of what what going on at the time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism_in_the_United_Kingdom .
The idea that the American civil war was about the industrial North trying to control the agricultural South is not new and certainly not revisionism in the light of recent hatred of whites. I read about it 30 years ago and it is older than that. The civil war was an American copy of a process that was going on at the time in Europe for already some period: an elite that was based on landownership, nobility and agriculture was being replaced by an industrial and financial elite. Along with that came 'novel' ideas such as that slavery is bad (which it is). Funny though that until the arrival of men such as Engels and Marx this same new social elite had little sympathy for people who worked the new industrial machines and who had short lives full of agony. People in the US suffered the same fate. Sure, unlike the slaves they were free, free to starve to death.
Lincoln wanted to consolidate the control of the Federal State over the States but also realized that the only way America could compete and even overtake Europe was to become an industrial powerhouse which was accomplished at the end of WWII when Europe lay in ruins and the colonies were 'freed'.
This certainly makes sense in the context of the time, with the industrial revolution taking over the ecomony from agriculture in a macroeconomic sense. Without slavery agriculture isn't exactly a road to riches, thus the attack on it's underpinnings as agriculture was practiced in the South.
It was a war of 'progress'. Industrialization also helped the North to win that war. At first they suffered several defeats but then recovered. Railway lines helped them to move troops around faster and the Winchester rifle was much faster than the barrel loading rifle the South was using.
I will have to disagree on the "horrible" in slavery. Not that I agree with slavery, but the mainstream media account of widespread beatings and horrific living conditions are not correct. That image is used to advance a cause. Many slaves stayed on with their Masters after slavery was abolished. They were free to go, but they did not.
Not saying beatings did not happen, just not as prevalent as one might think by reading modern history books.
Use common sense,, these plantation owners were smart business men. They did not have modern machinery to harvest the crops, so they depended on the slaves. Would you buy a John Deere tractor and then poor sugar in the fuel tank? No, its an asset and you would take care of the asset because it makes you money. Same thing for the slaves.
Any form of slavery in my eyes is horrible because it reduces human beings into commodities. But the thing is, slavery has become something exclusively identified with Europeans but slavery has always existed. Slavery existed in Africa way before Europeans arrived at the scene (and continues there as we speak). Europeans bought black slaves from other blacks. Arabs were involved in African slave trade way longer and on a wider scale than Europeans -or whites- were. Moors raided European villages taking young people and used and sold them as slaves. During the Ottoman Empire the Balkans were raided of young children brought to Turkey to be educated as muslems and then brought back to the Balkans in order to create Balkan muslems. They were often then part of the ruling class and often more vicious then their Turkish counterparts.
The thing is, slavery has become a 'white thing' and an original sin to which all current whites are guilty. I have the impression that in America many blacks cannot get the picture out of their heads that they ancestors were brought to America as slaves. That they somehow need to be redeemed. They should read the book by an African American author: "Out of America" where he goes to visit African countries and thanks God on his knees that his ancestors were brought to America as slaves.
But slavery in whatever forms is a horrible thing.
Lerner's Epitaph: Her only crime was critiquing St. Lincoln.
Wait a minute: did they not prove that the IRS was TARGETING conservatives for audits?
Don't confuse St. Lincoln for a "conservative" just because he was in the "republican" party, comrade.
St. Lincoln was a "progressive" before it had a name. Marxists the world over celebrate his extraordinary mastery of state power, and would really really really like to be just like him. It's all about controlling people's lives, and nothing more. For their own good, of course!
St. Lincoln did more to promote the myth and magic of US government than any dear leader, before, during, or since his time in office.
By jokingly questioning one of the central tenets of the Book of Lincoln, Lerner just committed an agregious act of "thought crime". This will not stand!
It is not enough to say that the U.S. is the one indispensible nation. One must qualify that as the "north" of the U.S. is the one indispensible nation. Take the Wizard of OZ for example. Glinda, the good witch - she was from the north. That proves it.
Well, she's 100% right about that. Lincoln oversaw more military and civilian deaths than all the other presidents combined and throughout all the other conflicts including the American Revolution. While the Southern States predominantly seceded due to the Federal Government's perceived overreach as it relates to slavery laws, the Union absolutely did not go to war over slavery and didn't even pass laws to abolish it until half-way through the war, and then only in the South. Slavery would've died out regardless of the outcome of the Civil War. But, no matter your view on the causes and outcomes, the President who oversaw it was one of our worst Presidents. He took a situation demanding delicate negotiations and goaded it into a mass killing field.
So, Dark Space, where is your PHD in history from?
We're all history professors, fool
Appeals to authority.
I smell a communistic social justice warrior here.
Downvote, bitch.
Lois Lerner, Lois Lerner,
Dormez-vous ? Dormez-vous ?
Sonnez les matines! Sonnez les matines!
Ding, dang, dong. Ding, dang, dong.
...disparaged Texas as a “pathetic” state. “We really do seem to have [two] different mind sets.”
And it's the sociopaths, Lerner and the progressives, which will automatically assume that they're right and the rest of the country is the one with the problem even though it's the progessives that always turn everything they touch into dirt.
she must hang
Yes, because she openly challenged the legacy of St. Lincoln, even if in jest.