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"Truthful" Trump, "Calm" Carson & The Naysaying-Nine - 2nd Republican Debate Live Feed
And then there were eleven (in tonight's main event). With everyone ready to rumble with The Donald, Carson ever-so-quietly gaining ground, and Fiorina showing face alongside the men, tonight's Round Two of the Republican Presidential Nomination debate should be full of fireworks. Trump is odds-on to have the most to say but all eyes will likely be on CNN's anchors (and whether they go full Megyn Kelly), just what will Trump say, the rematch of Rand vs Christie, and of course the mano-a-womano Trump-Fiorina slam, especially after President Obama said there is "nothing patriotic about talking down America," or, it appears, telling the truth. Grab some popcorn...
The frantic fifteen...(Note - Santorum, Jindal, Pataki, Graham were all demoted to the under-card debate earlier at 6pmET)
And the front-runners...
Trump tops the Searches...
CNN explains the rules - no biting, no punching below the waist...
Live Stream (via CNN)... (click image for link to CNN feed - no embed provided)
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NBC News offers A Viewer's Guide to Tonight's Debate
Given just how much has changed in the GOP race after the first debate and given the upcoming end to the fundraising quarter (Sept. 30!), the pressure is on for the 11 Republican candidates to perform at tonight's second debate in California at 8:00 pm ET. We'll find out which of the second-tier candidates (who all thought they'd be first tier by now) moves up or falls back. Think Walker, Paul, Rubio, Christie, Huckabee, and Kasich. Here's what each candidate needs to do:
- Donald Trump: He needs to keep defying political gravity. Once again, he's probably going to feel like Bruce Lee in a Kung Fu movie -- with everyone (opponents, moderators) coming after him. Can he fend them off once again? He's also a candidate in need of a second act (we think). Can he put some policy meat on the bones?
- Ben Carson: Can the mild-mannered Carson keep the momentum he has in the polls? Once you lose it, you often don't get it back. And this is his first time FRONT and CENTER. So he can't just disappear for periods of a time, even if he wants to.
- Jeb Bush: Tagged as Mr. Low Energy by Trump, Jeb needs to be able to flex his muscles -- especially with Republicans looking to see how he might fare against Hillary. He also should be prepared for other candidates NOT named Trump to come after him as a way to show off their OWN anti-establishment bona fides.
- Marco Rubio: Maybe no one had a better debate last time around but so little to show for it afterward. He might be the most talented unscripted pol in the stage. Can he show it again?
- Scott Walker: Maybe no one needs a strong performance more than Walker does. From first or second in the polls to 10th place, Walker needs to turn things around ASAP. As aides told NBC's Kelly O'Donnell: "If he gets the chance to mix it up, he's going to" do that.
- Carly Fiorina: Like Carson, she needs to keep her momentum. And with a likely clash coming with Trump, she can't back down. (As she told CNBC's John Harwood: "Mr. Trump's going to be hearing quite a lot from me.")
- Ted Cruz: As he's become Robin to Trump's Batman, can Cruz steal the spotlight, especially with a possible government shutdown looming?
- Mike Huckabee: He sure got his Kim Davis moment a few days ago (and largely shut out Cruz from sharing the stage). With a Davis question likely coming, can Huckabee demonstrate, like he did in 2007-2008, that he still has what it takes to be the GOP's best debate performer?
- Rand Paul: Paul was definitely feisty in the first debate, but it didn't get much traction. What does he do to stand out this time? Like Walker, he's a candidate who, financially speaking, badly needs a good showing.
- John Kasich: His advertising push in New Hampshire has paid dividends so far. Can he use this debate to catapult himself in the national polls, too?
- Chris Christie: In addition to Walker, Christie needs a strong performance -- just to avoid being left out of the conversation heading into October's third GOP debate.
And, as we noted previously, while initial denial by virtually everyone, especially the so-called pundits none of whom anticipated Trump's unprecedented surge in the polls, turned slowly into much publicized anger, now comes the bargaining phase, and as Bloomberg political commentator Mark Halperin who admits spending "about 60 percent of my waking hours talking about Donald Trump" explores, the panicked GOP establishment is now scrambling to find ways to "stop" the Trump Juggernaut.
According to him, the core GOP and especially his republicans contenders, may attack Trump through four possible frames:
- Trump can’t be trusted because he is an egomaniac with a bad character.
- Trump is a liberal and unprincipled.
- Trump is not close to being fit to be a serious president or commander-in-chief.
- Trump is a politician, not a businessman/outsider.
But what Trump (and every GOP establishmentarian) really cares about...
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No I haven't.
I think it was his strategy to position himself to win the nomination in 2016.
Carly while at HP bought out Compaq. LOL What a visionary. Sarcoff
ABB Anyone but BUSH (and Hellery).
Carly we have spent the last twelve mins blabbing is obviously a woman scorned.
she is as crazy as Trump.
All about themselves and their smart decisions in business.
both bankruptcy experts.
that is their experience, God help the BK USA.
Totalitarianism's curse finds public and political support for a mode of non-thinking that rails against any attempt to ask what it might mean to use knowledge and theory as a resource to address social problems and events in ways that are meaningful and expand democratic relations. This is a form of illiteracy marked by the inability to see outside of the realm of the privatized self, an illiteracy in which the act of translation withers, reduced to a relic of another age. The United States has become a country in which a chronic and deadly form of civic ignorance finds its most visible expression in a disimagination machine that celebrates the Donald Trumps of the world. The world of politics is far from clownish and in fact points to a poisonous future at a time in which the educational force of the culture is being used to promote a poisonous form of civic illiteracy. Donald Trump is not the singular clown who has injected bizarre and laughable notions into US politics; he is the canary in the mineshaft warning us that totalitarianism relies on mass support and feeds on hate, moral panics and "the frenzied lawfulness of ideological certitude."
So Trump is Hitler????
This must be a mistake. This is Zerohedge, not Mother Jones.
As in it’s a prerequisite to be an “Ayn Rand”-disciple-type “intellectual” midget to post here?
Otherwise you might challenge the self-induced feeling of ‘being clever’ and ‘not manipulated/not a part of the sheeple’.
Carly is MIC?
They all seem to Represent the MIC.
And as other ZH articles have pointed out, they represent Israel. Some of them even talk like NYC representatives...
- There is no Superpower Federal Funding, Strong Central Government to Fund the Superpower Status, nor some supposed American Exceptionalism to be a Superpower in Military Force regardless of if you feel the USA suppressed Democracy or Sovereignty Abroad.
- But the Neo-Cons control the Republicans, they just may have new name now, newer foundations with Republican and Jewish Financing
- Kowtow to the Puppet Masters or Financial Lobbyist
- Status Quo will Rule in the USA Forever, until it doesn't, but the Wealthy will be gone by then, surprising that the wealthy still live in the UK since they have ass fucked those people so bad they are brainwashed victims who just drink and fight with each other to deal with it.
- Wow, USA future, drink and fight with each other
"- Wow, USA future, drink and fight with each other"
What do you mean "future"?
One thing I'm certain of; Jeb Bush has fallen flat on his face.
Get out now Jeb, no more Bush's will be the rallying cry.
Go home to Wifey.
No more Bushes? I cant vote for Hitlery or Forhino
I kinda like Ted Cruze, under a good mentor.
He might hit some walls, but it won't be for lack of trying. Which is why he needs a guy like Trump to guide him.
How do you mentor a parrot?
I suppose you're looking for an opinion?
I'd start by whistling at women and swearing a lot. At least it'll make good vids for liveleak.
A Goldman Sucks parrot at that.
I agree throw in the black guy and the chick and you've got a new star trek series.
If trump gets the nomination, then I hope Biden also gets it for his party. Then the presidential debates should be so heavily laden with four letter words, the "bleeping" will dominate the bullshit in between. And meaningful words won't interfere with the munching sound of Cheetos in my brain.....
You gotta problem with Cheetos, mother fucker?!
In Steve Weissman's commentary on Trump he draws a relationship between Trump's casual racism and the rapidly growing neo-fascist movements across Europe that "are growing strong by hating others for their skin color, religious origin, or immigrant status." Few journalists have acknowledged the presence of white militia and white supremacists groups at Trump's rallies and almost none have acknowledged the chanting of "white power" at some of his political gatherings, which would surely signal not only Trump's connections to a racist past, but also to the formative Nazi culture that gave rise to the endgame of genocide.
Stow that shit sailor. And by "sailor" I mean f****t."
SO Trump is Hitler!!
"Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed ... Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist," - Marie Brenner, Vanity Fair
He is not Hitler. Silly question. But as a fascist why should he not be inspired by him?
LOL! Mary Jane is BAD! The Kenedy's say buy some Whiskey! Eat your Wheaties and salute the flag!
Yeah! That POT is a gateway drug! Nevermind the prescription opiates that enrich the pharmaceutical lobby!
Rand is running on Marijuana?? Shes got that right pot quality has gone way down since Jebber smoked it
What is abundantly clear in the case of Authoritarian's rising is that there is a widespread avoidance of the past that has become not only a sign of the appalling lack of historical consciousness in contemporary US culture, but a deliberate political weapon used by the powerful to keep people passive and ignorant of the truth, if not reduced to a discourse drawn from the empty realm of celebrity culture. This is a discourse in which totalitarian images of the hero, fearless leader and bold politicians get lost in the affective and ideological registers of what Hannah Arendt once called "the ruin of our categories of thought and standards of judgment." Of course, there are many factors currently contributing to this production of ignorance and the diminishment of individual and collective agency. The forces promoting a deep-seated culture of authoritarianism run deep in US society.
You should try Marijuana!!!
It's a good thing we have progressives like you to counter ignorance.
KashNKarry = BaffleNBullshit
Trump is actually light-years ahead of the field in this debate. He understands cause and effect. He understands nonlinear relationships. The rest of the candidates are all stuck in Plato’s cave, and Trump is talking right over their heads.
His only weakness seems to be that he occasionally forgets that everyone else is not as smart as he is.
Trump is simply the most visible embodiment of a society that is not merely suspicious of critical thought but disdains it. Trump is the quintessential symbol of the merging of a warlike arrogance, a militant certainty and a self-absorbed unworldliness in which he is removed from problems of the real world.
Or using his own critical thinking skills Trump realized voters nowadays have problems with critical thinking.
Ha ha ha! That's really funny! Good stuff, man...oh? You're serious?
Could someone please stuff a burrito in Chris Christie's mouth? I'm sick of hearing that douchebag.
fuck talking im tired of this shit start doing something for a change.
If I am Elected President I promise to Nuke Iraq, Syria, Libya, Turkey Borders, Jordan Borders, Israeli Borders...
Because I am a fucking Republican.
USA must be the most English like Financial Power, the most Trader Oriented American Power, and the most Militaristic Superpower that Rules the world!!!
/S
- Don't worry folks, I won't change money in politics rules
- Don't worry folks, I won't change what we call Free Trade
- Don't worry folks, I won't change Business Accounting, Business Financial Ratings, Financial Instrument Standardization, Conflict of Interest in Federal Government Service, the Electoral College Rule, Cronyism in Government & Banking, the Lack of Advocacy for Small Business in the US Federal Reserve System, the Lack of Advocacy for the Middle Class, Protection for TBTF Banks or their Monopoly, Protections for Transnationals and their monopoly of US and International Wage Rates, Compensation and Suppression.
S/
Woah, I am burned out. There are just too many ways where the people in Power can Screw the people not in power.
- You are an Account some place
- Your work pays off as a profit center
- We are all part of a corporation, an agenda, and a Revenue for Local, county, state, federal government, and our creditors from credit cards, student debt, auto loans, houses, lines of credit, HE-Locs, and even more
Resistance is futile.
Trump should throw a benjamin on the floor and see who bends over to pick it up.
And for christie some doggie treats
you knew this question was coming????
Christies flatuant ass is contributing to climate change thats for sure.
Trump is the embodiment of a political party and casino-driven social order in which informed judgments, moral responsibility and collective action disappear from the world of politics. Trump's often insulting, humiliating, misogynist and racist remarks signify more than the rantings of an antediluvian, privileged white man who is both savvy in the world of public relations and harbors a vastly distorted vision of what politics should be. Trump represents the new face of what Hannah Arendt once called the "banality of evil."
Do enlighten us with your eloquent prose and proclaim who among your coterie of elite learned, moral collectivists are best suited to get the unwashed, knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing, racist masses to become conscious of your social archetype.
Against the new thoughtlessness that drapes the US public in the abyss of ignorance, infantilism, consumerism, militarism and environmental destruction, there is a need to create those pedagogical spaces in which shared faith in justice replaces the shared fears of precarity, hatred of the other and a fear of the demands of justice. Against the brutalism of the new totalitarianism, there is a need to develop new discourses, vocabularies, values, desires and a sense of spirituality that brings people together around a need for critique, passion for justice and a desire for new modes of collective resistance and struggle. We may be in the midst of dark times but the light of hope is never far off and while it offers no guarantees, it posits the possibility of a future that will not mimic the horrors of the past and present.
Sometimes it's hard to tell. Are you a failed academic or a successful academic?
Carly fiorina shipped a great deal of American jobs offshore. How you also ruined HP.
We don't forget these things Carly!
Well fuck Ted Cruz to Hell and back - take Andrew Jacson off the $20 bill?
Banskster cock sucking whore.
JEB is definately smoking pot, Margret Thatcher??
LOL! I know, right? Is he trying to compete with Rick Perry or something?
What a dope!
Civic literacy is the bedrock of any democratic society and its decline suggests that totalitarianism has become the crisis of our time. The increasing atomization of society, the commodification of thought, the rise of the surveillance state, the transformation of schools into dead zones of the imagination, the war on Black youth - all of these antidemocratic tendencies in US society point to a social order in which tyranny destroys everything that politics makes possible. Trump's message is simply a more strident version of what extremists in both political parties have been saying for years. They cling to an ideological market-based fundamentalism that attempts to explain everything. In such a world, there is no doubt, only enemies who dissent, critical thought that is labeled as dangerous and a circle of certainty brimming with ignorance.
boy jeb is a nerd, low five miss
LOL
Trump: "WE WILL HAVE MOAR!!!"
Doesn't matter, the Don got corn holed tonight, his poll numbers just got cut in half. Pack a lunch, this may take some time to sort out.
I'm not sure about that.
Trump's Management style is like the military style.
Maybe I get it a little better tonight.
Maybe others see you have to communicate aggressively and like Stormin' Norman to get the facts, to form a team, and to make better decisions instead of Political decisions or Political Deals (whatever that means).
Fiorina doing her best Shakespeare soliloquy at the end.
Nice try Carly! HP just laid off 30,000 and their stock went up over 5%.
Somehow, I see the same thing for the American people if you were C.E.O. (Screwed! Again!).
Is it just me or does Fiorhino sound like Ann Coulter??
and Anne Coulter looks like a tranny
I liked Fiorina - good head on her shoulders if not so drop-dead pretty
In second place, have to put Sen. Rand Paul. Tenth Amendment !
Everyone on the panel liked the second Amendment.
90% of everything said was full of shit.
proof, likes the hack hag fiorina, you might look up the article by the daughter of one of the founders of HP, she hates her guts and it seems for good reason. this cunt killed lucent and then almost HP.
In addition, these Authoritarians fashion a world in which terror becomes the organizing principle of society - terror based on a fear of the other, fear of criticism and fear of democracy itself. Similarly, they advocate forms of ideological fundamentalism in which human bonds can only be shaped within a survival-of-the-fittest set of social relations. All social relations are dominated by the twin logic of combat and commercial transactions. Matters of empathy and shared responsibilities are viewed as weaknesses. There is more at stake in this form of totalitarianism than the curse of the inability to think; there is the militarization of all social relations, a kind of death march in which violence, disposability and greed become the organizing principles of all aspects of social life.
Nothing has changed with the electorate. It's always been the way you describe. I might agree that their "choices" are getting worse, however.
(Are you coming up with this stuff on the fly or did you have it prepared?)
One of the most deadly fundamentalisms is education. Literacy and civic values have gone the way of the typewriter. Totalitarianism throws together authoritarian and antidemocratic forms that represent a new historical moment in US history. Educators, artists and others can address and make clear the relationship between the attack on the social state and the transformation of a range of democratic public spheres into adjuncts of corporate power. The neoliberal attacks on the welfare state, social provisions, public servants and the public good must be understood and addressed as not simply an agenda to solidify class power but as an attack on democracy itself. I see various movements arising to shed light and take on these issues. It's been a passion of mine for the last decade and a half, and is not on the fly. Thanks for your kind inquiry.
When Cruz, Hucklabee, Rubio and Christie all said "Israel" in their closing speech, it showed whose pocket they are in. And Florina's closing speech sounded like she'd been given the question a week early, i.e. she had her passioned speech memorized perfectly.
Carson is th one who needs to do his research on the correlation between vaccines and autism.
Trump is still the man. The rest are puppets.
Although Trump talks like a new york habberdasher, yeah he might still sound like a kind of 'real american'
- Trump has universal appeal though I can't say what he would do on many things... if we could shut down the Syrian refugee program, maybe Trump would stop it.
I can tell you exactly what he will do on any issue: whatever the fuck his handlers tell him to. Same as Obama, Bush(s), Reagan, et al. Nobody gets to be President who hasn't agreed to play by the rules.
Yeah. Get rid of vaccines. That is the ticket. It will accelerate the great die off the PTB have in store or us.
They need to narrow down the field to Paul, Carson, Trump, Fiorina and Christie.
The rest are just clones of fail.
In no way does this mean I endorse all of those, I just believe people would be able to compare and contrast the candidates better with that group.
Trump's rise in the polls is tantamount to the collapse of civic literacy, historical memory and the public spheres that support them. His penchant for responding to critiques by humiliating his opponents suggests more than an over-the-top rudeness. Such dismissals point to a hatred of dissent, dialogue and thoughtfulness coupled with an embrace of unchecked loyalty.
Yes, we would be much better off with the continued polite fucking of the citizens.
As US society moves from a culture of questioning to a culture of shouting, it has restaged politics and power in ways that are truly unproductive, frightening and antidemocratic. Jerome Kohn writing about Hannah Arendt's notion of totalitarianism provides a commentary that contains a message for the present age, one that points to the possibility of hope triumphing over despair - a lesson that needs to be embraced at the present moment. He writes that for Arendt "what matters is not to give oneself over to the despair of the past or the utopian hope of the future, but 'to remain wholly in the present.' Totalitarianism is the crisis of our times insofar as its demise becomes a turning point for the present world, presenting us with an entirely new opportunity to realize a common world, a world that Arendt called a 'human artifice,' a place fit for habitation by all human beings."
Actually the US is finally moving back towards a society that questions.
Questions the leftists who are destroying the US and the world.
Most people have been sitting by in silent dismay, we now have come to a turning point when the silent majority will no longer sit by and watch theirs and their children's futures stolen from them by a slow motion invasion of illegals and imported imigrants, all of who will never integrate into the US culture. They are here to turn us into a third world shit hole - the same sort of shit hole they come from.
We need to stand up for our culture, our rights, before they take it all.
Do not vote for some leftist pretending to be conservative. It is either Carson, Trump, Walker or we are Fucked.
The most awe inspiring part of this debate was how not one original idea, not one real unscripted moment , not one actual truth was spoken. With the Fed most likely to deliberately instigate the largest stock market crash in history the next day, there was not one second devoted to that issue. Its like the pied piper, the puppet master behind the curtain was playing this to lead all the sheeple happily over the cliff. Amazing. But the fact that it is occuring shows the amazing deficit that is causing this world collapse people have lost the ability to think for themselves..the machines control everything..
The most awe inspiring part of this debate was how not one original idea, not one real unscripted moment , not one actual truth was spoken. With the Fed most likely to deliberately instigate the largest stock market crash in history the next day, there was not one second devoted to that issue. Its like the pied piper, the puppet master behind the curtain was playing this to lead all the sheeple happily over the cliff. Amazing. But the fact that it is occuring shows the amazing deficit that is causing this world collapse people have lost the ability to think for themselves..the machines control everything..