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Fukushima Reactor No.2 May Have Suffered Total Meltdown

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To the extent the memory of Fukushima had faded over the last several years, the “fallout” (no pun intended) from the nuclear-like blast that tore through an industrial complex at the Chinese port of Tianjin last month served to remind the world of how far-reaching and unpredictable the consequences can be when disaster strikes at a site that houses potentially toxic materials. 

For those unfamiliar, the explosion at Tianjin set the stage for an apocalyptic scenario whereby water soluble sodium cyanide could interact with incoming thunderstorms creating cyanide rain and while that doomsday-ish scenario didn’t play out in as dramatic a fashion as some feared, there was an eerie white foam covering the streets following the first rains that fell in the wake of the explosion.

In case Tianjin didn’t satisfy your thirst for potential cataclysms, just a few days after the explosion, Japan warned that Sakurajima (one of the country’s most active volcanos) was set to erupt. That was notable in and of itself, but what made the story especially amusing (if worrisome) was that just days earlier, Tokyo had greenlighted the reopening of the Sendai nuclear power plant which is located just 50 kilometers from Sakurajima. The reopening at Sendai marked the first nuclear reactor to be restarted in Japan since the Chernobyl redux at Fukushima in 2011. 

As The Guardian noted at the time, some experts claim "the restarted reactor at Sendai [is] still at risk from natural disasters," despite the fact that it was the first nuclear plant to pass new regulations put in place by the country’s Nuclear Regulation Authority on the heels of the disaster in 2011.

Well, don’t look now but experts now say the No. 2 reactor at Fukushima may have suffered a complete meltdown. Here’s RT with more:

Fukushima’s reactor No.2 could have suffered a complete meltdown according to Japanese researchers. They have been monitoring the Daiichi nuclear power plant since April, but say they have found few signs of nuclear fuel at the reactor’s core.

 

The scientists from Nagoya University had been using a device that uses elementary particles, which are called muons. These are used to give a better picture of the inside of the reactor as the levels of radioactivity at the core mean it is impossible for any human to go anywhere near it.

 

However, the results have not been promising. The study shows very few signs of any nuclear fuel in reactor No. 2.

This is in sharp contrast to reactor No.5, where the fuel is clearly visible at the core, the Japanese broadcaster NHK reports.

 

TEPCO has used 16 robots to explore the crippled plant to date, from military models to radiation-resistant multi-

segmented snake-like devices that can fit through a small pipe.

 

However, even the toughest models are having trouble weathering the deadly radiation levels: as one robot sent into reactor No.1 broke down three hours into its planned 10-hour foray.

 

Despite TEPCO’s best efforts, the company has been accused of a number of mishaps and a lack of proper contingency measures to deal with the cleanup operation, after the power plant suffered a meltdown, following an earthquake and subsequent tsunami in 2011.

 

Recent flooding caused by Tropical Typhoon Etau swept 82 bags, believed to contain contaminated materials that had been collected from the crippled site, out to sea.

 

“On September 9th and 11th, due to typhoon no.18 (Etau), heavy rain caused Fukushima Daiichi K drainage rainwater to overflow to the sea,” TEPCO said in a statement, adding that the samples taken “show safe, low levels” of radiation.

 

“From the sampling result of the 9th, TEPCO concluded that slightly tainted rainwater had overflowed to the sea; however, the new sampling measurement results show no impact to the ocean,” it continued.

Yes, “no impact to the ocean,” other than this: 

Much like how Chinese authorities swear that the Tianjin disaster has had no effect on sea life off China's shores - unless you count the massive fish die-offs...

 

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Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:53 | 6605030 TruthHammer
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Not just brainwashed and ignorant on science Rand, but religion too.

I'd explain the ways in which you are wrong both in your facts, and your interpretation of them (both the ones you have right, and the ones you have wrong), but your ignorance is legion and I have already spanked you enough on the science front for today.

You truly truly are a by-product of our mangled Western Culture.  You need a lot of help, with both your arrogant ignorance, and your moral compass/conscience.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:56 | 6605034 TruthHammer
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Oh, and since you seem to like Appeal to Authority fallacies, you would be interested to know that I have an Engineering Science degree and a Masters in Theology (no lie/no joke).  So I am actually "qualified" by your measure of worth, to bitch slap you with the truth on both fronts.

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:59 | 6605230 LetThemEatRand
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I've read your posts and I can honestly say that I have no idea what your point is.   Enlighten me.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 06:39 | 6605677 redd_green
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(no lie/no joke)?

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 02:57 | 6605543 Seeing Red
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"The Truth" (tm).  We have another self-proclaimed expert.  Question:  since The Truth is so clear and undeniable, ALL such experts are in agreement -- that's why there have never been religious wars, right?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:27 | 6604422 sschu
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Uh, this is not news.  The pressure in Reactor #2 went to "zero" soon after the catastrophe.  Everyone knew this meant there was a hole somewhere, most likely where the molten fuel escaped.  

What a cluster.  It is difficult to imagine how, but Tepco may be a bigger liar than the Fed.

sschu

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:32 | 6604447 Mostly Harmless
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Wait a sec.  I seem to remember Glenn Beck and a bowl of peanut M&Ms and how everything was ok.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:55 | 6604539 Urban Roman
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No that meant it was in 'cold shutdown'. Zero pressure, room temperature. Tepco said it was all good. Well, maybe a teeny tiny leak, but mostly good.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:46 | 6604772 SykeWar
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There was never a cold shutdown.  That say otherwise would imply a cold shutdown proceedure succeeded and pressure vessels are intact and cooling water is thus circulating through the vessel.  The vessels and containment are full of holes.  The corium is in the ground being coold by ground water flowing into the ocean.  Tepco said a lot of things - mostly lies.  But then, look at what's at stake.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 06:40 | 6605679 redd_green
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The tepco execs don't want to be thrown in jail for life so, ... they lie,and lie, and lie...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:29 | 6604427 gammab0y
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I guess I don't understand the physical nature of a meltdown.  Can someone educate me on this?  If the nuclear fuel is gone, shouldn't there be a big hole in the floor.  Shouldn't it be kind of obvious that there was a meltdown?  What happened to the concern that it would hit groundwater and cause a massive explosion?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:35 | 6604458 Winston Churchill
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That was their first clue, that and not being able to locate the core that is.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:50 | 6605019 Scooby Dooby Doo
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My first clue was GammaBoy asking for a nuclear education...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:15 | 6604605 a growing concern
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They can't go anywhere near it to evaluate the situation. The radiation would kill any person immediately, and it also fries their fancy robots as well. Not sure where the fuck they think it went, other than into the ground, contaminating their water.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 23:23 | 6605280 general ambivalent
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Wouldn't this mean that people would die if they went near a banana tree? And how could we possibly live in a banana republic if this were the case? The serious questions need answers.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:49 | 6604760 silverer
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Yes, concentrations of nuclear fuel can easily boil water.  Water cools well, but has a low boiling point compared to what the fuel can produce.  That's why the containment vessels and cooling systems operate under high pressure, to keep the water in liquid form to effectively cool the reactor and prevent the solid fuel form melting.  As the fuel melts it certainly bores its way downward, being heavy and hot, but it also mixes with the things it melts.  It takes a lot of melting and mixing before it stops generating the type of heat required to boil water.  The problem with boiling the water, of course, is that the radioactive steam vapor goes up and away, to wherever the wind and water takes it.  But even after the melted fuel stops producing steam, you have radiation migrating away in ground water.  In the Japanese example, they built the plants right next to the ocean, so you would expect the water table to be not far down in the ground, and always replenished by the ocean.  So I would expect this exchange to take place for years, where the contaminated water continues to migrate out into the ocean.  Ecologically, your worst nightmare.  The concept of cleanup would be to capture, cart off, and isolate the radioactive material behind shielding.  But the problem is the radiation levels are so high, you can't operate equipment in that environment, even using robots, as everything gets broken down by such high radiation levels.  Also, any equipment you bring in will itself become contaminated and dangerous, so the waste multiplies as you try to fix the problem. 

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:00 | 6605352 Government need...
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I'm willing (for once) to let the EPA determine the Japs fine for Fukushima remediation.  Hell, maybe get a fairness opinion from the UN.  The UN knows how to price a good scandal. 

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 06:42 | 6605681 redd_green
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"I am here from the NRC and I am here to help!"

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:29 | 6604428 Brokenarrow
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Of all the human atrocities, dirty dealings, corruption, abuse of the elderly, and on and on and on.......the Japanese are the grand champions. If they said, "the sky is blue." I would have my doubts. As we speak, some highly toxic water is lapping up in the shores of Hawaii. And, you can bet it is in San Diego, as well. Before its all said and done, there will be an epic cancer epidemic harming all the swimers in the Pacific Ocean. Sealife will be decimated. This will be Japan's payback for the A bomb. You watch.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:29 | 6604429 SILVERGEDDON
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No Shit, Sherlock.

The Pope is a Catholic.

A bear shits in the woods. 

Politicians lie.

Media is retarded.

Our food is GMO poisoned.

More than one reactor melted down completely.

All of the water being pumped into the cores to keep them from burning is still draining into the pacific daily.

Anyone smart stopped eating Pacific Ocean seafood back in 2012.  

Otherwise, glow in the dark, motherfuckers.  

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:41 | 6604487 nmewn
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Now see, if the Pope was smart he'd land on ole Abe like a locust and demand that he print a few trillion more yen to alleviate the suffering poor island fishermen of the Pacific.

(Sigh)

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 09:05 | 6605973 Clashfan
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Yeah and if nmewn were smart, he'd admit 911 was an inside job and that buildings don't just fall into their own footprints at freefall speed as if there were no resistance. Even if you refuse to acknowlede the obvious evidence of the collapse, there's the molten steel in the ruibble weeks later after lots of rain. 

Hard to understand why anyone would deny this important truth unless...?

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 03:24 | 6605566 cheech_wizard
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Science is obviously not your strong suit. In fact, I'm not sure you have a strong suit, more like a cheap suit, made in a banana Republic...

> to keep them from burning

Does this statement need any commentary whatsoever?

> glow in the dark

I guess if you bend over and someone shoves enough glow sticks up your ass, then this statement might actually be true.

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:30 | 6604434 defender1be
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This is bullshit. If the nuclear fuel was no longer in the reactor, than why dit the have to continu to keep pumping cooling water in the reactor?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:40 | 6604484 SILVERGEDDON
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So the water can run down the melted hole in the bottom of the reactor to keep cooling off the melted mess of fuel so it doesn't burn, turn into particulate matter, and kill off all life north of the equator, genius.

This way, it takes 20 - 50 years to kill off all life in the oceans slowly with radioactive cooling water run off, and a bunch of the 99 percenters with cancers.

And, everyone corporate and government in Japan gets to bail out and collect their pensions before anyone knows there is Sumting Wong, and start looking for scapegoats

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:55 | 6604529 defender1be
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If the reactor is on the bottom of a hole it melted itself, then please explain to me how you can get the water circulate to make the cooling possible?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:01 | 6604554 Rubbish
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http://www.wired.com/2013/04/the-most-dangerous-manmade-lava-flow/

 

The concrete mixing with the corium "should" slow the flow into the earth and by adding water it's possible to stop it. Hopefully to dig it up and dispose of it later. Otherwise all bets are off. You have water below in the underground river and water above via pumping it in. It's most likely cooling but slowly.

 

Cool picture on how fast and what this crap does to concrete.

 

Gold Bitchez.....I pick up pennies

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:08 | 6604579 Billy the Poet
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No dog in this fight but depending on the size of the hole and other factors water might flow down the hole resulting in cooling while producing steam which might rise out of the hole.

Whether this actually makes sense in context I have no idea.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:09 | 6604582 Rubbish
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Don't worry, the hole is going to be HUGE......

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:30 | 6604690 Buster Cherry
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Water at atmosperic pressure boils at 212 degrees. No mater how much heat you apply to water, it will still be 212 degrees, as long as there is some left that hasn't flashed off as steam.

It doesn't need to circulate, it just need to be there to keep the molten soup at a relatively cool 212 degrees.

Now, the steam clouds rising out of the reactor is another thing...totally laced with radioisotopes that will last for centuries.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 02:23 | 6605516 cheech_wizard
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>So the water can run down the melted hole in the bottom of the reactor to keep cooling off the melted mess of fuel so it doesn't burn, turn into particulate matter, and kill off all life north of the equator, genius.

What the fuck did I just read? Kill off all life north of the equator? Seriously this has to be one of the stupidest coments I have ever seen up-arrowed on Zero Hedge.

Standard Disclaimer: Because from 1945–92, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted with a total yield of 545 megatons weren't capable of doing the job that you somehow believe a single reactor meltdown is capable of...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:26 | 6604658 silverer
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To help contaminate the oceans.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:35 | 6604457 logicalman
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If anyone needs proof that MSM are totally controlled, Fukushima is it.

The worst man-made disaster in history has been hidden from the general public.

Anyone remember the movie 'The China Syndrome'?

Fukishima is that x3.

The technology that can sort this out has yet to be invented.

Japan is TOTALLY FUCKED.

Chernobyl still has an exclusion zone and the Japanese government is moving people back into their old homescloser to Fukushima than anyone's allowed to live near Chernobyl

Talk about crimes against humanity!

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:39 | 6604475 Lorca's Novena
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Everything is FINE, just a shoopdeewoop....

 

(this article was meant to distract you from what has happend today pertaining to global economics and why the pope was caught with his pecker in obongos ass).

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:09 | 6604862 emersonreturn
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LN, welcome

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:40 | 6604481 Miffed Microbio...
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And they want to continue to have nuclear power in the Ring of Fire. Insanity. I guess I'm switching to Scottish salmon.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/japan-moves-nearer-to-resta...

Miffed

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:47 | 6604509 OldPhart
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You might want to rethink that.  It didn't take very long to spread.

http://enenews.com/study-fukushima-fallout-detected-in-fish-from-atlantic-ocean

 

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 03:13 | 6605556 cheech_wizard
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Rule #1: Follow the money.

Corollary to Rule #1: Consider the source and what agenda they are shovelling.

Standard Disclaimer: I always skim the comments section when a link is posted, and when your bullshit detector goes off, well you get the idea.

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:59 | 6604550 Urban Roman
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So, you're switching from Fukushima radioactive waste, to the more mellow and aged Windscale variety?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:43 | 6604497 Ms No
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Is this why the funny little lines are back in the sky by sunrise in AZ lately?  Still trying to figure that out.  Had three parallel lines toward the north this morning and they hung there all day, I think they are still there just spread out into a haze.

My doctor said all of her patients in the city are coming up really low on vitamin D (which is weird considering the location) but all of her rural clients are coming up fine, she said she thinks it's the "chemtrails".  I don't know what they are but they definitely are.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:51 | 6604519 Lorca's Novena
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Here in the eastern sierras "they" have ramped up the "trails" agian. Its been a couple months since weve seen them...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:55 | 6604534 Ms No
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We have had them in the Phoenix area for atleast 3 days.  Not the obvious tic tac toe pattern like last time but still really apparent.  If anyone in the area wants to see what they look like look to the North tomorrow morning (maybe elsewhere but that's where I know they are) or look out right now and see the remnants of the ones that were created before sunrise. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:24 | 6604647 silverer
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Don't ya just love the trolls whacking you with negatives?  They also plan to vote for Hillary twice.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:21 | 6604632 Duc888
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Ms No, I just went through two days of the craziest SOLID uper atmosphere carpet bombing here in CT.  Triple layer chem trails.  I've been taking pics for three years and have never ever seen the raw dumping so bad as in the last two days.  The shit is so thick today the sun has it's own chemical rainbow halo surrounding it.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:32 | 6604704 silverer
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Here's the site discussing those types of issues:  http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:52 | 6604524 Lorca's Novena
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BTW greetings ZH, 4 year lurker, decided to finnaly sign up and post. I see a few awesome Veterans on this thread :-)

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:02 | 6604558 Urban Roman
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Welcome to the club.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:53 | 6604528 Scooby Dooby Doo
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The government has no duty to protect!
Warren v. District of Columbia

Never fear, another Fukushima event is drawing near.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:48 | 6605005 Baa baa
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Lot's of 'em and not all earthbound.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:19 | 6605099 Scooby Dooby Doo
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All I know is the Japanese farmers are selling their products somewhere.

Off brand labels sold on the shelf of Walmart:

http://www.walmart.com/browse/food/canned-goods-soups/great-value/976759...

Eat your peas bitchez!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:03 | 6604562 Teh Finn
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This spring, four years after the nuclear accident at Fukushima, a small group of scientists met in Tokyo to evaluate the deadly aftermath.

No one has been killed or sickened by the radiation — a point confirmed last month by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Even among Fukushima workers, the number of additional cancer cases in coming yearsis expected to be so low as to be undetectable, a blip impossible to discern against the statistical background noise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/science/when-radiation-isnt-the-real-r...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:24 | 6604648 are we there yet
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That was confusing. It said that background radiation reduces cancer, and that people did not need to evacuate beyond the immediate reactor area. I have a degree in physics and avoid ionizing or particle radiation in principle. Who paid this small group of scientists to gather in Tokyo? Was this like Phyllip Morris paid for research that proved cigarettes are not addictive?

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:29 | 6604912 Crocodile
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Happens all the time within the self-proclaimed "scientific community, where consensus is substituted for real science.  The pay is better and the job is secure & family is safer.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 03:04 | 6605550 The Last Bubble
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"confusing", why ?

You can do further reading, check the credentials of the people who contributed to this article, plus it's the NYT not some obscure fearmongering website...What are your credentials to be so sanguine (go ahead brag !)

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 11:43 | 6606474 cheech_wizard
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>plus it's the NYT

I seriously need to write a bot that automatically down arrows any comment in which the author mentions the NY Times.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 23:08 | 6614348 are we there yet
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Be kind to Physicists, we are another minority.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 11:41 | 6606470 cheech_wizard
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You do realize that before Fukushima there was this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray#Role_in_ambient_radiation

Surprisingly, it was said the best place to keep computer servers on the planet was Japan. Low levels of radiation meant low soft error rates...

Standard Disclaimer: But you knew all this correct, with your physics degree?

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 20:23 | 6608978 are we there yet
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Nice article on radiation and electronics. The principle is the same with memory chips or genetic code. high energy radiation can rewrite their code.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:31 | 6604700 SykeWar
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This is a tired old horse they keep trotting out to placate their masters and keep people ignorant.

Why did the NRC stop work on a cheap 8M dollar study to cancer risks to people living near NPPs?  What did they see?  So they criticize and denigrate the characters of those that do what work they can to do such studies, while they do nothing.  NOTHING.

http://thebulletin.org/2013/september/nuclear-denial-hiroshima-fukushima

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2300846/the_us_navy_knew_...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/may/28/who-nuclear-power-c...

http://enenews.com/experts-fukushima-victims-to-include-up-to-300000-dea...

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:33 | 6604710 Trying to Understand
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This is odd, I can up or down vote any post here... except this one...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:57 | 6604808 Recidivism
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It's a long standing bug on ZH. If a post begins with italics, voting won't work on it.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 05:34 | 6605627 Dickweed Wang
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Hey, I was also able to downvote your incorrect info written in regular text!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:57 | 6604811 Recidivism
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It's a long standing bug on ZH. If a post begins with italics, voting won't work on it.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 05:31 | 6605625 Dickweed Wang
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I had no problem down voting your incorrect info written in italics.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:40 | 6604963 alphahammer
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Lol...

If you say so Einstein. BTW. The WHO report that all the distortions you are perpetrating is a complete shit show of continual contradictory information AKA worthless... 

For example. The WHO report states:

In terms of specific cancers, for people in the most contaminated location, the estimated increased risks over what would normally be expected are:

In terms of specific cancers, for people in the most contaminated location, the estimated increased risks over what would normally be expected are:

all solid cancers - around 4% in females exposed as infants;

breast cancer - around 6% in females exposed as infants;

leukaemia - around 7% in males exposed as infants;

 

thyroid cancer - up to 70% in females exposed as infants (the normally expected risk of thyroid cancer in females over lifetime is 0.75% and the additional lifetime risk assessed for females exposed as infants in the most affected location is 0.50%).

The report also references a section to the special case of the emergency workers inside the Fukushima NPP. Around two-thirds of emergency workers are estimated to have cancer risks in line with the general population, while one-third is estimated to have an increased risk.

“The WHO report underlines the need for long-term health monitoring of those who are at high risk, along with the provision of necessary medical follow-up and support services,” says Dr Maria Neira, WHO Director for Public Health and Environment. “This will remain an important element in the public health response to the disaster for decades.”

“In addition to strengthening medical support and services, continued environmental monitoring, in particular of food and water supplies, backed by the enforcement of existing regulations, is required to reduce potential radiation exposure in the future,” says Dr Angelika Tritscher, Acting Director for WHO’s Food Safety and Zoonosis Department.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:45 | 6604991 Baa baa
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Is that MSN trolling in to the fray?

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 05:40 | 6605630 Dickweed Wang
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The Jew York Slimes - a paragon of truth in Amerika. They wouldn't print it if it wasn't true, right?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:16 | 6604609 nc551
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Automatic 0 for this article for deceptive use of unrelated images.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:18 | 6604620 Teh Finn
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For almost every non-market article this is true.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:18 | 6604619 Duc888
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Seriously.

 

Who

fucking

cares?

 

Everyone dies, got it?  That's the program.  No one "gets out" alive.  This ain't no video game, no reset.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:27 | 6604899 Crocodile
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It is what happens after death; it is when life begins.  Born twice and die only once or born once and die twice...take your pick.  The former is much better than the latter.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:34 | 6604936 alphahammer
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...

Right. Your wife and kids must be so proud of your Internetedness...

Maybe ask them about living or dying. Let us know how it goes. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:44 | 6604981 Baa baa
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You don't honestly believe this guy has a family, do you?

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 05:26 | 6605622 Dickweed Wang
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His wife's name is Palm and his kids are named Four Fingers and Thumb. His real name is Harry Tool..

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:20 | 6604628 Rabbit rancher
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Dam coal!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:31 | 6604695 Dr. Engali
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Damn that dam coal! ;->

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:25 | 6604653 Licka Meen Bwai
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Posting that kind of pic makes you loose all kind of credibility. If you ever had some.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-fish-that-was-wrongly-accused-of-be...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:25 | 6604896 I AM SULLY
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What?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:42 | 6604698 Son of Captain Nemo
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That is one helluva "big filling" for a knish... Made possible by these guys!!!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:05 | 6604847 fowlerja
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Already 4 years have gone by...wow..and they still don't have a clear picture of what happened..ok..so how are they going to clean up the fukushitme nuclear reactor compound..not going to happen..my prediction..when all hope is loss...they will put a big fence around the compound with the sign..glowing in the dark of course...saying..."Twilight Zone..Do not enter"

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:07 | 6604854 hangemhigh77
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Just put someone with Downs Syndrome in charge. It would be an improvement. Or maybe a 6 year old

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:23 | 6604891 bugs_
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all of them suffered a meltdown - are they lieing about being able to see any fuel at all?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:27 | 6604907 I AM SULLY
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POOPINEX IS THE CURE!

(made from Fukushima)

http://iamsully.com/?p=6993

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:46 | 6604996 Muse minus Time
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Radiation, aluminum, barium, strontium usually what I have for mid-morning jog, love that metallic taste in my mouth.  Enjoy your slow motion eugenics....look up in the sky at the "Solar Radiation Management" trails sprayed on the West Coast & Pacific Ocean to perpetuate the geo-engineered drought.  Here's congressional report: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41371.pdf  want more evidence? www.geoengineeringwatch.org   Did you have a little pyromanic delight when the northwest & Cali burned, baby, burned?  Aluminum accelerant from spray trails of Climate Aerosol Injections has rendered the trees all fire fuel.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:30 | 6605123 MatrixLinx
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I have a question. If it melts completly how deep can the core go? Can it melt deep enough that it is less of a threat? Thinking of the movie the China syndrome. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:45 | 6605191 NoWayJose
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The core only melts down when it is at a high enough temperature. Ground water level was one landmark - subsurface radioactive steam expansion -- but if it makes it through that it will melt some rock in the earth's crust as it works its way down - eventually stopping at the magma level where temperatures are closer to equal. The issue is that on the way down it likely made the tunnel or channel radioactive - so anything near the surface is still 'hot' but difficult to reach.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:57 | 6605221 Dickweed Wang
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NoWay - It looks like we were writing our replies at about the same time . . . it seems like we have essentailly the same thoughts on the issue as well.  Good post!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:55 | 6605211 Dickweed Wang
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I have a question. If it melts completely how deep can the core go? Can it melt deep enough that it is less of a threat?

In short, the answer is "yes".  If the core retains enough heat to melt through the Earth's crust into the mantle (which is pretty unlikely given the mantel is about 6-10 miles below the surface of the Earth), or just down into the crust 10,000 feet or so, it would be far below the water table and in the range where radioactive elements occur naturally and in abundance. In other words the radioactive mess would be sent back home to stay . . . .

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 23:34 | 6605301 Stevious
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Yes, no or maybe.  Molten core material will flow and interact with nearby materials, be it concrete or rock.  This material will eventually blend with the core material eventually diluting it so it no longer flows downward.  So it can't flow to the center of the earth unless there is a convenient crack for it to go into.  It can dilute itself over time and become less harmful because it's simply deeper and cooler.  But should a conduit of water find the mass, even large quantites of water will not cool it completely and should a large mass reach it all at once it could create a steam explosion like the one that blew the lid off Chernobyl.  Also there is a small chance that the molten material could reshape itself into a tighter space.  Imagine a sheet of molten rock 6" thick x 4 x 4', which coalesces into a ball of molten rock.  There then is the possibility that it could create a critical mass, this could result in an exothermic explosion which is not a nuclear explosion but would still be catastrophic.

At Chernyobl this happened and created the "elephant's foot," a molten mass of core material.  See: http://nautil.us/blog/chernobyls-hot-mess-the-elephants-foot-is-still-le... There is still concern that there could be an exothermic explosion at Cherynobl.  The fellow who photographed the elephant's foot were assuredly killed by radiation within days/weeks.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 11:47 | 6606493 cheech_wizard
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Sing it with me... the solution to pollution is dilution...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 23:09 | 6605257 jacship
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MOAR FUKus---4.6 years later


Can we believe the gov when 2+2=5,

 

The climate changer that will not talk about FUKus and will not search for a solution, is a big part of the problem

your weekly radiation count and an event stepup

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/26/your-radiation-this-week-no-23/

We are truely FUKus

 

this is not your fathers socialism


Mon, 09/28/2015 - 23:39 | 6605315 kaboomnomic
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ZH got it wrong. Lethal dose for human is this:

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/glossary/lethal-dose-ld.html

 

Fish is smaller than human, So, if that many fish is died because of LETHAL radiation sickness? Human ALREADY doesn't exist on those waters.

 

- - -

As for that fukushima No.2 reactor. Imagine your car coolant system. You need a SMALL VOLUME OF WATERS, to cool your engine. Why? Cause that waters circulated in a "CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM". Now imagine you have OPEN LOOP COOLING SYSTEM for your engine. Water supply INTO your engine, after cooling your engine heat, dumps the water outside (no RE-circulation). How much water that you need to cools your engine?

 

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS TO FUKUSHIMA REACTOR NO.2!! What they have is they don't know where those nuke rods located. and their dousing the reactor vessel in hoping it will floods & cools those nuke rods (actually? more like a clumps of nukes fuels. because they're all MELTED already and clumps somewhere).

http://allthingsnuclear.org/water-management-and-mismanagement-at-fukush...

 

That's what HUGE water reservoir photo'ed at that fukushima sites. THERE WON'T BE ANY LANDS LEFT ENOUGH TO BUILT INFINIT NUMBERS OF WATERS TANKS in that sites. So Japanese govt? plans to dump the excess water to sea.

http://news.yahoo.com/fukushima-dumps-first-batch-once-radioactive-water...

 

And since, this is pacific SEA CURRENT FLOWS:

http://www.seos-project.eu/modules/oceancurrents/images/gyres1.png

 

Those IRRADIATED waters would be carried by sea current to... USA!!

 

Karma's is a BITCH, eh??

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:02 | 6605356 Government need...
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Straight from Fukushima to California.  The karma is delicious.  Hey EPA and Sierra Club, shove that CS-137 right up your asses.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:02 | 6605357 Dre4dwolf
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Prophecy fulfilled

1/3rd of the waters turned bitter.

 

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:03 | 6605360 Government need...
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OK, but is our nigger President the Antichrist?

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:43 | 6605413 jacship
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each core will burn as far down in the earth as it can go, until ground water, or ocean water, cool it to a point, that it stops traveling down,

how far?= nobody knows

at some point it stops

and becomes a clump of

FUKus

the clumps of FUKus give off

high rads. for thousand of years

with ground water washing the rads. into the ocean until everything is dead

if not contained

removed from the water hole or and sealed

the dilution of the Rads. with ocean water at some point will turn critical 

for life on earth

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/26/your-radiation-this-week-no-23

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 01:18 | 6605454 TNTARG
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No time to deal with this matter. They're busy on the VW  emissions issue 'cause that's the real threat for the Human specie.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 01:20 | 6605457 Seer
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Thank god it's not a diesel power plant!  Just think of the bad publicity That would have brought (refer to flak VW is taking)!

Dear Prius driver,

I bet you think that you're cool saving the planet and such from all  those nasty. stinky Nazi German diesels.  Well, your car was built using energy from Fukushima.  Yeah, you fucking helped support radiating humans for all eternity because you couldn't handle a stinky diesel!

 

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 01:28 | 6605463 teachmeplease
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Time to short sushi?

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 01:56 | 6605501 caustixoid
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wtf?!?  there were 3 total meltdowns.  Reactor 2 blew its seals and leaked the most radiation, 1 suffered a huge hydrogen explosion and 3 suffered a nuclear deflagration.  No one knows where the nuclear fuel is for ANY of them. Robots can't survive in any of those 3 reactors.  

what do those pictures have to do with anything?

Tylers, are you letting interns write articles now?

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 02:45 | 6605535 FranSix
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Don't pay any attention to the fish. It was just floundering around.

http://youtu.be/QanC47gRBaE

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 02:46 | 6605537 The Last Bubble
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"that doomsday-ish scenario didn’t play out in as dramatic a fashion as some feared"

Like pretty much everything Tyler predicted since that website exists...

But hey ! let's not lose hope, the markets look shaky !

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 02:49 | 6605539 boeing747
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Radiation over pacific sky already over 3.0 usv this year compard to last year's 1.2. If you are pregnant , don't take air flight over pacific.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 11:48 | 6606502 cheech_wizard
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On the bright side, that should put a dent in the number of Asian anchor babies this year.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 02:54 | 6605542 cookies anyone
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-15533955     drink up sheeple, more on the way, your grand-children (if we don't burn in nuclearwar) will still be talking about Fukushima

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 06:52 | 6605694 Last of the Mid...
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Obviously it's pretty bad, climate change just hit Mars. That's the wording used in a press release concerning the water flows. Climate change! Jeeezus H Christ.

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