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Kunstler Rages "Perhaps America Has Gotten What It Deserves"
Submitted by James H Kunstler via Kunstler.com,
Did Charlie Rose look like a fucking idiot last night on 60-Minutes, or what, asking Vladimir Putin how he could know for sure that the US was behind the 2014 Ukraine coup against President Viktor Yanukovych? Maybe the idiots are the 60-Minutes producers and fluffers who are supposed to prep Charlie’s questions. Putin seemed startled and amused by this one on Ukraine: how could he know for sure?
Well, gosh, because Ukraine was virtually a province of Russia in one form or another for hundreds of years, and Russia has a potent intelligence service (formerly called the KGB) that had assets and connections threaded through Ukrainian society like the rhizomorphs of the fungusArmillaria solidipes through a conifer forest. Gosh, Charlie, it’s like asking Obama whether the NSA might know what’s going on in Texas.
And so there is Vladimir Putin, a former KGB officer, having to spell it out for the American clodhopper super-journalist. “We have thousands of contacts with them. We know who and where, and when they met with someone, and who worked with those who ousted Yanukovych, how they were supported, how much they were paid, how they were trained, where, in which country, and who those instructors were. We know everything.”
The only thing Vlad left out of course was the now-world-famous panicked yelp by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland crying, “Fuck the EU,” when events in Kiev started getting out of hand for US stage-managers. But he probably heard about that, too.
Charlie then voice-overed the following statement: “For the record, the US has denied any involvement in the removal of the Ukrainian leader.” Right. And your call is important us. And your check is in the mail. And they hate us for our freedom.
This bit on Ukraine was only a little more appalling than Charlie’s earlier segment on Syria. Was Putin trying to rescue the Assad government? Charlie asked, in the context of President Obama’s statement years ago that “Assad has to go.”
Putin answered as if he were explaining something that should have been self-evident to a not-very-bright high school freshman: “To remove the legitimate government would create a situation which you can witness in other countries of the region, for instance Libya, where all the state institutions have disintegrated. We see a similar situation in Iraq. There’s no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the government structure.”
I guess Charlie and the 60-Minutes production crew hadn’t noticed what had gone on around the Middle East the past fifteen years with America’s program of toppling dictators into the maw of anarchy. Not such great outcomes.
Charlie persisted though, following his script: Was Putin trying to rescue Assad? Vlad had to lay it out for him as if he were introducing Charlie to the game of Animal Lotto: “What do you think about those who support the terrorist organizations only to oust Assad without thinking about what happens to the country after all the state institutions have been demolished…? Look at those who are in control of 60 percent of the territory of Syria.
Meaning ISIS. Al Nusra (formerly al Qaeda in Syria), i.e., groups internationally recognized as terrorist organizations.
Charlie Rose, 60-Minutes — and perhaps by extension US government agencies with an interest in propagandizing — seem to want to put over the story that Russia has involved itself in Syria only to aggrandize its role on in world affairs.
Forgive me for being so blunt, but what sort of stupid fucking idea is this? And are there any non-lobotomized adults left in the USA who can’t see straight through it? The truth is that American policy in Syria (plus Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Somalia, Afghanistan) is an impressive record of failure in terms of the one basic aim that most rational people might agree upon: stabilizing the region in a way that does not leave Islamic jihadi maniacs in charge.
Okay, so now the Russians will do what they can to try to stabilize Syria. They’ve had their failures, too (famously, Afghanistan). But Russian territory adjoins the Islamic lands and they clearly have stake in containing the virus of Islamic extremism near their borders. Is that not obvious?
Charlie made one other extremely dumb statement — he seems to prefer making assertions to asking straight-up questions — to the effect that Russia was misbehaving by deploying troops on its border with Ukraine.
Putin again seemed astonished by this credulous idiocy. The US had troops and nuclear weapons all over Europe, he answered. Did Charlie think that meant the US was attempting to occupy the nations of Europe now? Was it “a crime” for Russia to defend its own border with a neighboring state (formerly a province) that, he implied, the US had deliberately destabilized?
The Putin segment was followed by an sickening session with Donald Trump, a man who now — after a month or so of public exposure — proves incapable of uttering a coherent idea. I wonder what Vladimir Putin makes of this incomparable buffoon. Perhaps that America has gotten what it deserves.
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Anyone who is paying attention realizes israel ghouls control the US govt and are changing the laws accordingly, one way or another, to fall into step with The Banksters goal of a one world bank, Israeli expansion project and the complete collapse of America through financial terrorism and other forms of terrorism, at a local level, through redistricting and voter fraud.
The overthrow of the US government after assassination of John F Kennedy and the others who attempted to reel in the power of the lobby groups and pro-Israel politicians is documented. In view of the massive campaign on the internet to blame all the world's woes on the USA, your statement needs to go into every comment section for the uninformed reader. Anti-Americanism is being stoked and is now a huge bonfire but by whom? I would guess Israeli/jewish people who work covertly to spin public sentiment away from ISRAEL.
NSA would know this but since their information is sent DIRECTLY TO ISRAEL before Americans place their eyes on the content, this again demonstrates that STATE CAPTURE of US govt has been established.
And, ditto from Canada - Canadians are under siege and haven't a clue due to a skewed version of events taking place on the ground.
GET OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENTS GODDAM IT. That simple task, removing I-firsters, would be all that is required. The world can do without Israel and our counties can do without Jewish influence $$$.
GET OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENTS GODDAM IT. That simple task, removing I-firsters, would be all that is required. The world can do without Israel and our country can do without Jewish influence $$$.
Fucking A man! Well said . . . .
Putin played Charlie like a fiddle. It was embarrassing. Charlie just grinned, he was so clueless.
As an American, I was saddened by the whole piece.
Right after the show, Charlie extened a handshake to Putin. Then Charlie excused himself, and spewed vomit before reaching the can.
Putin's a man. A Christian who believes in family and is against Monsatan.
Obama's a crack-smoking bi-sexual married to a transgender wookie with two rent-a-kids.
Not much else to say.
Obama's a crack-smoking bi-sexual married to a transgender wookie . . .
Isn't that special?? That's what makes Amerika exceptional and indispensable! Sometimes I wish that China and Russia would just go ahead the nuke the fuck out of the USA just to clean up all the immoral garbage like this that has been forced down all of our throats. Fuck the gay, lesbian, transgender and transsexual crowd - you are all a bunch of fucking perverts - go back into the closet where you belong.
though i'm not one of them, i would FAR rather have an lgbt neighbor, than a sick psycho like you that feels like what other people do in their own bedrooms is somehow your business.
Putin was looking morally better until he dumped his wife and kids for a youngish, more muscular than him, Russian Olympic gymnast. I did not see God behind his eyes like W did, but I did see something. With Obama, Nada.
it is time for foreign nations to sponsor sedition in America and carry it through to complete revolution. I would donate to that.
US gov and CIA must be taken down. They are the new 'Nazis' and must be treated as pariahs in the world. All CIA agents should be arrested where ever they may be . Special forces operating outside US must be hunted down.
We must make US pay for their war crimes. It will be worse than what was done to Germany and Japan after WW2.
Trillions are owed to Iraq and Libya Ukraine, and others.
MSM = Zero Credibility.
I would more willingly pay taxes to Putin than to Obama.
How about this? We don't pay taxes to either one . . . .
Putin states what is obvious to anyone with a single functioning neuron, and the American press blinks in moronic amazement. I can't believe that I actually used to enjoy watching TV occasionally.
I can't believe that I actually used to enjoy watching TV occasionally.
I completely stopped watching any MSM "news" shows or "documentaries" about three years ago and now get all of my video news and written news info from the internet. It's amazing how your thought processes clear out without the constant incoming stream of total bullshit from the propoganda whores on regular teevee.
I completely stopped watching any MSM "news" shows or "documentaries" about three years ago and now get all of my video news and written news info from the internet.
+100. I have no idea what the MSM is spewing out anymore after tuning out ~4 years ago. I'm also amazed at how brainwashed the masses are around me. They never fact check or analyze anything they hear or see.
For anyone in the USA under 20 years old that went to public schools you can directly blame "Common Core" for the lack of critcal thinking skills these days. Other than that there are just a lot of stupid and lazy people in Amerika. It's easy to stay "informed" about world events when you watch Faux Nues, the Corrupt News Network or MSN-BS.
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And so there is Vladimir Putin, a former KGB officer, having to spell it out for the American clodhopper super-journalist. “We have thousands of contacts with them. We know who and where, and when they met with someone, and who worked with those who ousted Yanukovych, how they were supported, how much they were paid, how they were trained, where, in which country, and who those instructors were. We know everything.”
Okaaay I reread that portion a couple of times and what I still don't get is that if they knew this was coming, why didn't they stop it from happening. I guess the stockholm syndrome is now transmitted via airborne vector.
Do not stop your enemies from slitting their own throats.
The USSA is killing itself, why should anyone other than American citizens interfere?
@401k doom: nothing in Putin's comment suggests they had this information in advance, nor does it say they had the information in time to stop it.
Some, if not all of it, could have been pieced together during and/or after the coup.
You jumped to an unsupported conclusion that Russia had the information in time to stop the coup from happening - something no one but you ever claimed.
Dear Vladimir Putin:
Just so you don't get the wrong idea, not everyone in the USA is as stupid as Charlie Rose. Americans are "supporting" your efforts in Syria, not because we support you, but because we know the ass-wipes currently running our country into the ground (both parties) were selected by the likes of Charlie Rose.
Sincerely,
US private sector
"The only thing Vlad left out of course was the now-world-famous panicked yelp by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland crying, “Fuck the EU,” when events in Kiev started getting out of hand for US stage-managers. But he probably heard about that, too."
He did hear about that. The whole world did. It was even on RT.
On a side note, don't get your panties in a knot over Charlie Rose. In my EU country, we breed exactly the same sort of seemingly moronic TV presenters and journos, the kind who will painstakingly ask questions the whole world knows the answer to, and who will look totally nonplussed if the answer provided is even half-truthful, as if he had never ever imagined the possibility spelt in front of him.
The politicians who answer the questions of these dudes also fall for the con: they answer slowly, with very precise words, nearly detaching each syllables, like somebody who is anxious to be understood by a retard.
It's all very irritating. I stopped watching TV and reading the MSM. My nerves were in tatters.
of course he heard about it. Cant you recognise sarcasm
I remember Charlie being hysterical about Saddams "WMDs"
Like Tonto said to the Lone Ranger, "what do you mean, 'we', white man?"
Here we have Kunstler the Eskimo, dripping his scorn over the stupid goyim. Clearly with his last sentence he explicitly acknowledges his dual-passport, sayanim loyalty.
Icomperable buffoon? You must mean Obama.