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Mid-East Coup: As Russia Pounds Militant Targets, Iran Readies Ground Invasions While Saudis Panic

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Back in June, the commander of Iran’s Quds Force, Qasem Soleimaini, visited a town north of Latakia on the frontlines of Syria’s protracted civil war. Following that visit, he promised that Tehran and Damascus were set to unveil a new strategy that would “surprise the world.” 

Just a little over a month later, Soleimani - in violation of a UN travel ban - visited Russia and held meetings with The Kremlin. The Pentagon now says those meetings were “very important” in accelerating the timetable for Russia’s involvement in Syria. The General allegedly made another visit to Moscow in September. 

The timeline here is no coincidence. Iran has long provided covert and overt support to the Assad regime via financial transfers, logistical support from the Quds, and via the involvement of Hezbollah in the Assad government’s fight to regain control of the country.

As we’ve documented extensively over the past several weeks, what appears to have happened here is that Iran, unable to simply invade Syria in support of Assad (because doing so would obviously be a disaster in terms of preserving the optics around the P5+1 nuclear deal), turned to Moscow which has in the past used Russia’s Security Council veto to block the referral of the war in Syria to the Hague and which is a known ally of both Tehran and Damascus.

While it’s unclear exactly what the pitch was to Putin, Russia clearly saw an opportunity to advance The Kremlin’s geopolitical agenda at a key time in history. Moscow is keen to put on a brave face amid the most contentious standoff with the West since the Cold War (as a result of the conflict in Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea) and amid the related effort to preserve Gazprom’s market share in Europe. 

In short, Putin looks to have viewed this as the ultimate geopolitical win-win. That is, Russia gets to i) expand its influence in the Middle East in defiance of Washington and its allies, a move that also helps to protect Russian energy interests and preserves the Mediterranean port at Tartus, and ii) support its allies in Tehran and Damascus thus preserving the counterbalance to the US-Saudi-Qatar alliance. 

Meanwhile, Iran gets to enjoy the support of the Russian military juggernaut on the way to protecting the delicate regional nexus that is the source of Tehran’s Mid-East influence. It is absolutely critical for Iran to keep Assad in power, as the loss of Syria to the West would effectively cut the supply line between Iran and Hezbollah.

The same dynamic is playing out in Iraq. That is, Iran is fighting ISIS via various Shiite militias just as it’s fighting the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen via the Shia Houthis. It is thus extremely significant that Baghdad has agreed to share intelligence with Syria and Russia, as that effectively means the Iran-backed Shiite militias battling for control of Iraq will enjoy the support of the Russian military. 

What should be obvious here is that this is a coordinated plan.

The Kremlin has effectively agreed to bring the might of the Russian air force to bear on Assad’s opponents in Syria and on Sunni militants in Iraq in support of Iranian ground troops and because the US and its allies have failed so miserably in terms of fielding anti-Assad rebels who don't turn out to be extremists, Putin gets to pitch the whole thing as a "war on terror." It would be difficult to design a more elegant power play.

If you think that’s far-fetched, consider the following just out from Reuters:

Hundreds of Iranian troops have arrived in Syria in the last 10 days and will soon join government forces and their Lebanese Hezbollah allies in a major ground offensive backed by Russian air strikes, two Lebanese sources told Reuters.

 

"The (Russian) air strikes will in the near future be accompanied by ground advances by the Syrian army and its allies," said one of the sources familiar with political and military developments in the conflict.

 

"It is possible that the coming land operations will be focused in the Idlib and Hama countryside," the source added.

 

The two sources said the operation would be aimed at recapturing territory lost by President Bashar al-Assad's government to rebels.

 

It points to an emerging military alliance between Russia and Assad's other main allies - Iran and Hezbollah - focused on recapturing areas of northwestern Syria that were seized by insurgents in rapid advances earlier this year.

 

"The vanguard of Iranian ground forces began arriving in Syria: soldiers and officers specifically to participate in this battle. They are not advisors ... we mean hundreds with equipment and weapons. They will be followed by more," the second source said. Iraqis would also take part in the operation, the source said.

And then consider this, also just out (via Reuters):

The Russian Foreign Ministry said on Thursday it would consider any request from the Iraqi government to conduct air strikes against Islamic State inside Iraq, but said it had not yet received such an appeal, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.

 

It cited the foreign ministry as saying it would evaluate the "political and military" logic of such a move if a request was forthcoming.

Finally, to drive the point home and further confirm the veracity of the thesis outlined above, here’s Saudi Arabia panicking at the prospect that Russia’s presence is set to completely disrupt the Mid-East BOP (via Reuters, yet again):

Saudi Arabia, a leading foe of President Bashar al-Assad, demanded his ally Russia end its raids on Syria, saying the strikes had caused civilian casualties while failing to target the hardline Islamic State militants Moscow says it opposes.

 

In remarks at the United Nations in New York, a senior Saudi diplomat suggested both Russia and Assad's other main ally Iran could not claim to fight Islamic State "terrorism" at the same time as supporting the "terrorism" of the Syrian authorities.

 

Saudi ambassador Abdallah Al-Mouallimi expressed "profound concern regarding the military operations which

Russian forces have carried out in Homs and Hama today, places where ISIS forces are not present. These attacks led to a number of innocent victims. We demand it stop immediately and not recur."

 

"As for those countries that have claimed recently to join in the fight against ISIS terrorism, they can’t do that at the same time as they support the terrorism of the Syrian regime and its terrorist foreign allies like Hezbollah and the Quds Force and other terrorist sectarian groups," he added in comments broadcast by Saudi-owned al-Arabiya television.

 

ISIS is a common acronym for Islamic State, also known as ISIL. Lebanon's Hezbollah Shi'ite militia openly fights on behalf of Assad's government, and the Quds Force, part of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, is also widely believed to be aiding Damascus.

It would be difficult to overstate the significance of what appears to be going on here. This is nothing short of a Middle Eastern coup, as Iran looks to displace Saudi Arabia as the regional power broker and as Russia looks to supplant the US as the superpower puppet master. 

Do not expect Saudi Arabia and Israel to remain on the sidelines here.

If Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night.

 

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Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:33 | 6617345 J Jason Djfmam
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Are there really any good guys?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:16 | 6617230 world_debt_slave
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when the gig is up, war is warming up

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:21 | 6617263 Dickweed Wang
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Saudi Arabia, a leading foe of President Bashar al-Assad, demanded his ally Russia end its raids on Syria, saying the strikes had caused civilian casualties while failing to target the hardline Islamic State militants Moscow says it opposes.

You have got to be shitting me, right?  These are the same assholes that have purposely targeted civilians in Yemen with air-strikes since March of this year and have killed thousands of people.  This goes beyond hypocrisy, it's just plain fucked up . . . . Saudi Arabia - the paragon of human rights!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:22 | 6617274 Crocodile
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This will make the decision to use US ground troops in Syria ("officially") a bit more complicated.  The world is going to HELL in a hand-basket.  Moral decay to infinity!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:24 | 6617281 loveyajimbo
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Know how to tell an insipid dildo?  they use the term "the annexation of Crimea".  Notice all the Brennan/Nuland horseshit tales of Russians shooting down airliners and snipers shooting civilians have sort of disappeared?  

 

BTW: If the Sauds are so great, as opposed to the Iranians, why not release the sealed pages of the 911 Commission report to the public?  And the "BOP" in the middle east was long ago FUBAR'd by Bush the Dumber and his Neocon POS douchebags.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:27 | 6617307 AlfredNeumann
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The USA media never showed Crimeans joyously voting for freedom from the Kiev Nazis last year.

USA media, ALL of them make the old USSR Pravda look tame in comparison.  Total LIARS by Omission and commission

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:25 | 6617286 metachron
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McCain. dissembling and shaky on CNN, complaining that his "moderate boys backd by the CIA" are not supposed to be the target.  http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/politics/john-mccain-cia-russia-airstrikes...

He calls the Russian policy "Orwellian."  Do Republicans always project their own evil onto their perceived enemies?) He also complains that his weapons dealer friends weren't allowed to arm Ukrainian friends (also the moderates, I'm sure). Anyway, its obvious he's sweating out the loss of their taxpayer-funded AIPAC boondoggle in the Middle East. I wonder how many otherwise inattentive Americans  are now noticing. You have to admire the clarity of the Russian tactics. And it starts to become obvious that our govenments are fighting the wrong war for the wrong people. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:33 | 6617347 AlfredNeumann
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McCain and others like him, Cruz, Cotton, etc etc are all fucking psychopaths.  Lindsey Graham and Huckabee being fucking Christer psychopaths

They have no business being in govt.  They should be in prison or liquidated.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:15 | 6617591 gcjohns1971
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To answer your question about 'projection'.

The answer is a resounding 'YES'.

McCain shares at least one of Obama's fatal defects.

He does not know how to choose his battles.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:26 | 6617295 Herdee
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Look at the lineup of that All Star cast.Collector cards available?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:29 | 6617325 pupdog1
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Ash Carter, the ultimate military-industrial insider, wants war so badly he can taste it.

Ka-ching.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:38 | 6617376 AlfredNeumann
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Look at that cocksuckers face, it exudes EVIL.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:38 | 6617378 donhuangenaro
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tick-tock, the false flag clock is ticking... I hope not, but those zio psychos may be planning some 911ish event to try to get out of this mess...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:05 | 6617429 Md4
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It would be difficult to overstate the significance of what appears to be going on here. This is nothing short of a Middle Eastern coup, as Iran looks to displace Saudi Arabia as the regional power broker and as Russia looks to supplant the US as the superpower puppet master.

Do not expect Saudi Arabia and Israel to remain on the sidelines here."

Alright, alright...just hold the phone here...

My support for Putin tackling IS in Syria is limited to THAT mission. When he (or his allies in this thing) start finding IS under Saudi prince's beds, THEN we have a problem. If Saudi Arabia is voicing admonition over collateral Sunni damage, it may only be vocalized just for domestic Sunni consumption. I mean, they would HAVE to say something, or their Sunni public would be riled at the Saudi monarchy. And they certainly don't want that.

Saudi Arabia had better not be craning for a wider conflict themselves, hoping to inevitably suck us in. Unless emboldened Shia forces, drunk with a future victory over IS, decide they're bad enough to get it on with them while they're high, the House of Saud had better watch it--or they could be the only ones to show up for it.

And I see no interest in Russia jacking with Israel; that doesn't even make sense, and as long as the Bear in in theater, no one else will either. That's not the mission--IS is.

All that said, I see no evidence of a wider war here. At least, not yet. We must remember that IS seeks a state. As long as Putin keeps about ensuring they don't live long enough to see one, I say again, let 'er rip. If he starts using an IS campaign as a pretext for a power or land grab...there ought to be trouble.

We should also notice that Putin did not trouble the UN Security Council for its blessing in all of this. Instead, he appears to be conducting himself as he says--targeting threats to an ally, while coming to that ally's rescue. Had he greater ambitions, I think he would've informed the UN more programmatically than with just a General Assembly address. Again, time will tell. Although many disagree, Putin ain't Hitler.

The Russians know full well what happens when you try to sort out a mess in the Middle East, and are not prepared to stay for a looooong time. That's why I don't believe they're there to do that. I doubt they want any part of any feud between Islamic sects, or between either and Israel.

Russia has its own oil and gas, and there's not much else there worth a wider war.

m

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:11 | 6617553 gcjohns1971
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The middle east is Russia's competitor for energy markets.

Russia does not benefit in a settled and stable middle east.

At the same time, Russia can be fatally hurt if a settled middle-east lay in someone else's pocket.

 

By doing this in this way Putin exposes that he does not believe that Russian energy workers can out-compete Middle Eastern Energy workers;  Or he does not believe that Europe will buy energy from Russia under the same terms as it buys from the middle east.   There is no other interpretation possible that would justify Russia's expenditure of treasure, Russian Lives, and political capital in Europe.

 

Unfortunately...this is all dust in the wind in the longer scheme of things.   Europe's stability since WWII is unprecedented.  And it is best described as a transitional state that cannot last.

Either Europe will be united and fused...in which case Putin is creating greater problems than he is solving by militantly attempting to control the European Energy market...   Or it will not be fused... In which case the character and position of many European nations towards Russia will demographically change in our lifetimes to one that Russia will find very difficult to deal with...presuming it survives its own welfare-state-generated demographics disaster.

The day will come when Russia wishes it had allies culturally and genetically more like itself.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:37 | 6617714 Md4
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Respectfully, although I could be wrong, this is not about energy.

Nothing pumps Putin like taking it to radical Islamic terrorism.

And nothing garners more support at home than Putin taking it to terrorism.

This is about IS, and perhaps, showing us how it's done at the same time...

m

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 01:10 | 6619416 Wild Theories
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Thing is, Russia has tried to be nice to the west and wanted to be part of those culturally and genetically more like itself, but the west, or western Europe, have always looked down and rebuffed Russia and Slavs (Serbia for example) and see them as not-European-enough.

The western/eastern Europe divide is historic, and it is not eastern europeans and Slavs not acting "european", it has always been western Europeans not accepting their eastern counterparts as equals.

 

It is true what they are doing via their energy policy, but every country is out to look out for their own interest, nothing new there. If you were Russia, you'd probably be doing the same thing.

National interests are national interests.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:50 | 6617442 css1971
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Seriously. From here... Putin makes the America leadership look like inbred country bumpkins.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:54 | 6617471 gcjohns1971
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Your statement is an unjust insult to inbred country bumpkins.

 

The American Leadership are arrogant drug-addled imbeciles whose greatest contribution to life is the maneur they produce.

 

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:52 | 6617460 Jerusalem Cats
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Pass the Popcorn. Thing are going to be interesting very fast. Time to trust in the one above.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:54 | 6617470 Chuck Knoblauch
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War against CO2 more important to Obozo than killing Muslim terrorists.

Shame on the Pope too for saying nothing about Christians killed in Syria.

BASTARDS!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 15:56 | 6617479 gcjohns1971
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I think that analysis leads somewhere significant.

CO2 is the product of animal life.  No animal life, no CO2.

 

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:18 | 6617603 Johnny_Dangerously
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"Shame on the Pope too for saying nothing about Christians killed in Syria."

very much agree with you here - that is real dereliction of duty - those Christians are Eastern Catholic and Oriental Orthodox - quite similar to Catholics/Orthodox/Anglican/Lutheran

Which, perhaps is why the "Christian" Zionists don't seem to care one bit either.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:27 | 6617924 delacroix
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shame on the pope, for pushing the global warming agenda

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:00 | 6617502 AlfredNeumann
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Russian Airstrikes in Syria Targeted 'NATO Created Mercenaries' Tags: 

Professor Michel Chossudovsky, director of the Canadian Centre for Research on Globalization, spoke to Sputnik in an exclusive interview about how Russia is helping Syria in the fight against the US-supported terror groups in Syria.

“First of all it is important to underline the fact that all these terrorist organizations are supported by US intelligence. In fact the mainstream media now has acknowledged that these rebels are supported by the CIA. The Wall Street Journal says Russian airstrikes in Syria targeted CIA-backed rebels.”

Read more: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED | The History The US Government HOPES You Never Learn! http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz3nLecHdXo

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:05 | 6617517 Chuck Knoblauch
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Applaud Drudge and ZH for keeping Syria the No. 1 news story.

Thank you for seeing the school shooting for the diversion that it is.

If Muslim scum responsible for shooting, you better defend yourselves.

First responders are not going to save you.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:16 | 6617592 Johnny_Dangerously
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Ah, Drudge.

Drudge and Breitbart and Limbaugh sem to have been largely responsible for making ZH less libertarian and more "right wing" mouth breather than it once was.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:05 | 6617526 Johnny_Dangerously
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Wow - I do not think that Vladimir Putin is a saint, but it is clear to me from the uptick in carbon copy comments here and elsewhere that the US government is increasingly worried that people are not buying their narrative.

3/4 years ago I laughed at the idea of paid trolls on a website like this which, grand scheme, is pretty small and sort of niche - not a site where people are going to be 'convinced' ...

But it is, largely, a safe haven for free speech and thought, which given US/Israeli warmongering and dissembling - means an iconoclastic view of world events.

And some of us might have a little money, might have some friends with money, etc.

So I do not know but would bet some money that ZH really does have both paid Israeli and paid State Department trolls [in addition to the majority of commenters who have a "mainstream" view which is simply out of place *here*].

But I suspect the people typically called "trolls" are not the paid ones. You'd expect paid trolls to be pretty reasonable, at least superficially.

The wide gap between what CNN/FOX/NBC are saying, and what not only Russian media but a lot of foreign language media are saying, has never been wider.

I feel like we're living in a honest to god information Matrix, and that TPTB are getting more and more anxious - which, if and to the extent true, makes them more and more dangerous.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:09 | 6617538 Chuck Knoblauch
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They are enemies of the Republic.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:22 | 6617623 dsty
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well, you forgot to mention the Roooskie a Muzzie trolls

there, I fixed it

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:32 | 6617687 AlfredNeumann
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I don't take little kids like you who use the term 'rooskies and muzzie seriously'

Too bad you have one brain cell and its on life support.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:36 | 6617705 AlfredNeumann
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I recall  assholes like you in Vietnam who called them ''dinks' and gooks' etc.

I didn't shed a tear when those motherfuckers went home in a box in a thousand pieces.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:14 | 6617582 bid the soldier...
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In case you haven't figured it out yet, the problems we are witnessing today can be attributed to 800 years of diplomacy.

Nations pussyfooting around each other with honeyed, meaningless and usually false expressions of sincerity.

A shit-licking Negro lies his tits off and the General Assembly goes ooh and aah.  The editorial boards of the MSM no longer pretend to be fair; their sole concerns are their 401(k)s and the status quo.

Lets return to the good old days when the leaders of countries referred to their counterparts as Niggers and Kikes.  As Fuck sticks and Fuckwads.

As infected Cunts and Cocksuckers and Child Diddliers.

Steal the thunder of Alfred E Neumann, Vlad, and rub the Negro's nose in your testosterone.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:20 | 6617608 Johnny_Dangerously
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Wow.

So when's the next Mensa meeting?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:24 | 6617642 dsty
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God, what a stupid thing to say

This site needs to be nuked

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:52 | 6617764 bid the soldier...
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Don't worry, dsty, this site will be nuked along with New York, London, Beijing and Moscow.

All because we dasn't call the Right Honorable Gentleman from the Pentagon an ass wipe liar.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:18 | 6617889 we built this city
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This site is  runned  by Neo-  Nazis .

They let crazy people  to comment with no filters. 

Alot of miserable people like Alfred comment here without knowing anything about the conflict in middle East . 

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:39 | 6617954 AlfredNeumann
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Right dipshit, I only worked in Libya for 2 years for Ghaddaffi govt and in 1999 used to fly freight into Baghdad before the USA destroyed it.

Fact is,  YOU KNOW nothing and what you do know is pure bullshit fed to you by FOXCNNABCCBSNBC.

photos of our crew in Libya here.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b7h6bqkvl46q7vj/AAD3yL68363n_qDF2qacfuXta?dl=0

notice the photos I took covertly at Sirte  (  I doubt you even know where that is).

Oh and also the photos in Beirut,  and Tehran (2003)

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:52 | 6618030 we built this city
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Oh...Alfred ...Alfred

i've worked for security agency in the Middlle East for more than 15 years.

I've served in a top ellite combat army unit

ive seen alot of shit ....believe me

 

nothing is black and white as u see it...there is a huge grey area

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:01 | 6618079 we built this city
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THe real problem is that the Us governments since Clinton have no idea how the middle east works and the dynamics in the region . 

it started with Saddam Houssein and ended with the destruction of Gaddafi...2 mass murderes.

 

At least 300 thousand people wee murdered in Syria and the West dont give a damn,,, but now the shit is coming first to Europe and then to the United States. 

Terror at the front yard ...and this could not be stopped. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:50 | 6618540 bid the soldier...
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Gimme a break.

Oh...Alfred ...Alfred

What are you?  A refugee from a Sarah Bernhart melodrama?
Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:44 | 6618001 AlfredNeumann
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I bet I have more flight hours in the Middle East  than you have beng alive

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g8efwkcpjdd9vcu/dd2142.JPG?dl=0

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:45 | 6618013 AlfredNeumann
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When you are ready to LEARN something I willl tell you EXACTLY why Ghaddaffi was overthrown.

You don't know anything about the Middle East or Africa except perhaps what your First Sergeant allowed you to see.

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:30 | 6617672 AlfredNeumann
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LOL,

The USA Congress gave 37 standing ovations to little Hitler, Bibi. the guy who is committing slow genocide daily and actually targets women and children,, and uses F-16's on people who have nothing but stones to throw and burns them alive with White phophorous and cluster bombs. 

And then that same Congress calls Assad a tyrant for fighting terrorists who want to take over his country

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:18 | 6617601 KashNCarry
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First off, Russia didn't annex the Crimean peninsula.  The people of Crimea wanted Russian citizenship after the Nazi coup in Kiev.

2ndly, its time to crush CIA backed terrorists and utterly destroy the new world order.

Watch out Pentagon Military Industrial Complex: Russia and Iran are back and if the neo-cons in Warpington want Empire, they're going to have to put skin in the game...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:22 | 6617627 AlfredNeumann
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The USA media never showed the joyous faces of Crimeans happily voting to leave Ukraine.

All they do is shovel LIES to the sheeple who gobble it up and spew it back as if its gospel.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:26 | 6617652 AlfredNeumann
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When you ask the average American sheeple  ''Who told you that about Crimea, they will alway say ''I Heard it on the news'.

Then when you show them a privae individuals' video report in crimea, they will say ''thats propaganda''

LOL

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:36 | 6617960 Boubou
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Oh no!. Is US going to have to attack a country with defenses?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:22 | 6617621 Phillyguy
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Turkey had three demands as a quid pro quo, allowing the US to use the Incirlik NATO base to bomb Syria-

1–Safe zones in north Syria (Turkey would basically annex a good portion of Syrian sovereign territory.)

2–A no-fly zone (which would allow either Turkish troops, US Special Forces or US-backed jihadi militants to conduct their military operations with the support of US air cover.)

3–A commitment from the US that it will help Turkey remove Assad.

Obviously, with the Russians now providing Assad with air cover, the US/NATO war against Syria has fundamentally changed. In effect Putin said- checkmate.

See: Putin’s Blitz Leaves Washington Rankled and Confused by Mike Whitney Oct 1, 2015; Link: www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/01/putins-blitz-leaves-washington-rankled-a...

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:27 | 6617656 egam
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Curious that the 3 countries needed to pass russian gas from caspian sea to Greece/Europe (bypassing turkey), actually are Iran, Irak and Syria...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:03 | 6617810 radiobomb
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yup, good observation.... follow the money / cui bono / why is this happening ? ... .... pipeline geography, & direction of flow.

The game is multi level, but you can't hide the fact that financial/commercial interests top-trump human rights , otherwise Russia & the Us would be in Rwanda and other 3rd world african nations, rather than in the middle east.

There was a time when the military would only be used for patriotic duties, now however commercial interests dictate international  military action.

For all those who died or were maimed protecting these corporate profits, I am truely sorry that the political oligarchs made you do it. What a difference from the previous generation who gave their life for their country....their bravery mirroring their personal convictions and moral code.

Can't be right to accept this change. No country states that it has an army to boost and maintain corp profits, yet look around today...

<rant off.....>

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:32 | 6617686 teslaberry
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the pitch was clear.

american cut a deal with iran SPECIFICALLY SO THAT IRAN WOULD GET BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EMBARGOED MONEY FROM OIL SALES IN EUORPEAN BANKS.

THE POINT OF THIS WAS KNOWINGLY TO INCREASE IRANS ABILITY TO BUY WEAPONS ( FROM RUSSIA)

this was AMERICAS ACTUAL GOAL IN CUTTING A DEAL WITH IRAN,----TO GIVE THEM THE FIREPOWER NECESSARY TO ESCALATE THE CONFLICT WITH SYRIA. YES!!!!

WHO KNEW?!?!?! THE U.S. HEGEOM NEEDS TO GENERATE CONFLICT WHERE THERE IS NONE.

AND YES,,,,,,,,,,,,,,-----IRAN AND RUSSIA ARE FLEXING THEIR PUNY MUSCLES . THIS IS WHAT NATO WANTS, AN EXCUSE TO ESCALATE MILITARY ACTION. WITHOUT THAT HOW WOULD THEY EVER CONTINUE THE FICTION THAT RUSSIA AND IRAN AND THE 'AXIS OF EVIL' ARE A THREAT TO EUROPE.

SOMETIMES------------YOU NEED TO GIVE YOU ENEMIES A LITTLE SO THAT THEY CAN HELP YOU KEEP YOUR FRIENDS ON YOUR SIDE...........

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:41 | 6617725 AlfredNeumann
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All caps is hard to read.  How old are you?  6??

Iran and Russia puny muscles?

I think you mean the USA where most troops can't count to 21 without taking off their shoes and trousers

And they can't defeat a bunch of goat herders in 14 years

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:03 | 6617813 bid the soldier...
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Caps didn't help your argument.

 NATO WANTS, AN EXCUSE TO ESCALATE MILITARY ACTION

The militaries of NATO countries have crawled up each other's assholes like those Russian matryoshka dolls that nest inside of each other.

 

Haven't you read here that the West plays checkers?

What you propose is beyond the ken of Obama, Carter, Cameron, Hollande, Merkel, etc etc.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:33 | 6617691 lakecity55
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The Americans ans allies seek to to depose the ME.

Russia is the Peacemaker.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:34 | 6617698 Phillyguy
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It is ironic that Saudi Arabia is “demanding” that Russia end its raids on Syria, saying the strikes had “caused civilian casualties”…………. supporting the "terrorism" of the Syrian authorities. KSA has supporting ISIS/ISIL/Daesh for years. Further, they have bombed Yemen for months, most recently killing over 130 people at a wedding (link: www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/29/us-yemen-security-idUSKCN0RT0XT20150929). This is utter nonsense from the Saudi diplomat.

 

 

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:43 | 6617735 KashNCarry
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But the Saudi's are concerned about Human Rights...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:35 | 6618946 Freddie
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The Saudis have to be terrified.  They are getting their asses kicked in yemen by the Houthi tribesmen.  The House of Saud has to resort to illegal cluster bombs.

If the Saudis think they are any match for Russia, Syria or Hezbollah, they are delusional. Hezbollah is smaller but they would kick the Saudis asses 1 on 1 in a heartbeat.  Iran could take Saudi Arabia in less than a week.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:44 | 6617738 matermaker
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Too many folks are looking at all this through a lens of modern nationalism.  This is an East versus West conflict by its lowest common denominator.  The Sunni/Shia divide pretty much runs from the Caspian see, down the eastern edge of turkey, through Lebeanon and lush parts of Syria, Skips over the dessert areas of Syria and Iraq[dessert is Sunni], down through Southern Iraq, Into Iran and over into Afghanastan and Pakistian.  This is basically Old Persia.  Western Yemen is the wild card behind the Saudi frontlines as it is the western most enclave of majority Shia.

Historically speaking, the Arabian Dessert Region has been nothing but a bunch of ass backwards nomads since the dawn of civiliaztion.  It is the source of Wahhibism which makes the Ayatola look like a moderate.  The Assyrians, The Babylonians, The persians all have been around a LONG time.   The two biggest wild cards are the Anatollians[turks] and Jews.  I think the Egyptians will sit this one out.

It is a cultural boundry that goes back thousands of years.  The west and T.E. Lawrence threw their hat in the ring of the barbaric Arabs.  You want to talk about a bubble?  Everybody lived in a tent and rode camels in that area, 100 years ago. They had tons of oil and were easily bought/controlled.  The persians/shia will win this one.  Russia and China know the obvious choice to back Old Persia.

The only territory REALLY in play here is the stretch of dessert of Southeastern Syria and Northwest Iraq.  Once Assad is reaffirmed, that is.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:53 | 6617747 matermaker
Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:51 | 6617759 AlfredNeumann
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Dessert?  Cheesecake or apple pie?

Desert....  you want to be credible learn how to spell.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:57 | 6617772 matermaker
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Click on that map and you will see it is in fact, dessert.   Vernacular and Cadence can't always be well projected in text.  As i was saying you overly zealous and emotional poster;  If the Shia get their hands on the 'dry sandy' regions of Iraq and Syria, It is the dawn of New Persia.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:58 | 6617786 AlfredNeumann
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Slow learner I see,  its DESERT.

Good luck in being a burger flipper the rest of your life, LOSER.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:06 | 6617829 matermaker
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I know what a fucking desert is, asshat.     When every green bit of territory has been ruled by an entrenched group of people for thousands of years, in the Middle East..... the desert is only a bit of extra that nobody REALLY gives a shit about.   Read between the lines, A.D.D. boy.      Nobody, and I mean NObody gives a shit about these areas being fought over, right now.  They are dessert.  They are the culmination of redrawring boundries.  They don't even have any oil in them.  Do you think this type of dog and pony show would stand if the oil fields of Basra were being bombed?   The Germans starting the Basra Railroad had a good deal to do with the start of WWI.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:10 | 6617855 AlfredNeumann
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Where is that fucking burger I ordered you lazy fuckstick and for DESSERT I want a hot apple pie.   

Your pseudo intellectual bullshit is boring.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:32 | 6617945 Boubou
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Alfred - I am so glad you are only virtual.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:41 | 6617988 falak pema
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What has made Islam regress beyond anything that it has witnessed in 1200 years is the advent of Wahhabism swamping out all its diversity that has existed since the beginning.

Wahhabism was born as an obscure sect in the deepest depths of the Saudi desert where the Muslim Luddites lived. It only became the dominant brand of Sunni Islam since 1930 when Saud became the king of Mecca and the US made him King of Oil.

Since that day and since Iran became a theocracy, exactly around the same time that the CIA killed democracy in Iran in 1953, the Oil money of Saudi wahhabism has disseminated this fundamentalist brand of Sunni Islam all the way from Philippines to Senegal.

Oil money and Wahhabism have now warped the Islamic world as surrogate to Pax Americana hegemony to service Oil and US power and Saudi's concomitant hold on Sunni Islam.

Do away with PAx Americana's oil hegemony means also doing away with all fundamentalist off shoots of its surrogates. The muslim world will evolve like the christian world has; towards secular politics where metaphysical spirituality is the domain of the individual or of social networks, outside of politics. It happened after the end of the colonial/imperial age, under Ataturk, Nasser, Gandhi/Nehru's secular India and Soekarno. It can happen again.

But we need to end the unholy alliance of West's appetite for Arab oil and Wahhabism's appetite to "purify" the moslem world.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:13 | 6618124 trader1
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basically have to give up the fossil fuel based economy.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:59 | 6619174 Sorry_about_Dresden
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I never understood US Foreign Policy toward Iran and Cuba for all these years. So Iran took over our embassy and held a few hostages?!?! So what??? They didn't kill anybody!!!!!!! The US has poured blood and treasure fighting Iran by proxy since the late 1980's when Rumsfeld was all buddy buddy with Saddam and CIA Director George H. W. Bush was funneling cocaine into Compton to finance Saddam and the Contras.

I hear California will declare independence any day now!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:28 | 6617929 we built this city
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Alfred u r funny

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:13 | 6617875 Bitchin Bear
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I found your comments interesting and insightful.  most here at ZH learn to let the grammar and spelling go. He's obviously an amateur.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:22 | 6617906 AlfredNeumann
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Big difference betweeen Dessert and Desert.

You obviously are an amateur who lets things like that slide in your mediocre country of imbeciles.

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:34 | 6617953 matermaker
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It's double entendre`-esque you Cathars!   lol.     alfred 'E' neuman, I had my first FBI clearance at 17 when I got my highschool coop job at 3100 Nasa Rd. 1, working for SSEOPS at Lockheed.  That was back in 90-91.  I got to go over all the purty photos of oil well fires in the first Gulf War.   Nobody likes a grammar nazi.   It makes you look like a petulant child who douches with hubris.  ...not to mention, WTF is up with the 97 thousand posts?  are you on meth or some shit?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:43 | 6617997 Sorry_about_Dresden
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So......do you think there might be a direct correlation of global warming and oil well fires in Iraq and Kuwait since 1991???

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:03 | 6618084 AlfredNeumann
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Hey clownboy, I was flying heads of state in Libya in 2002-2003 and was in Vietnam before you were even born,

Photos of Libya and DD214 here

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b7h6bqkvl46q7vj/AAD3yL68363n_qDF2qacfuXta?dl=0

DD214 below

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g8efwkcpjdd9vcu/dd2142.JPG?dl=0

I don't take nor need meds, I am EX American,

Call the FBI you fucking liar.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:49 | 6618024 matermaker
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and you....... have made over a 100 comments in like the last hour.   You're either a troll or have your medication a little 'off'...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:52 | 6618547 Volkodav
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I doubt he is on any meds whatsoever.

 

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:24 | 6619083 Wahooo
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Good point. Once we turned Iraq over to the Shia, that piece fell into place for the Persians, with Syria being the next block to fall into place for them.

Now, there is also the tribal conflicts which fuel the murder maybe more than the religious divides.

Found an interesting blog post by somene who's been over thwt way.

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/09/muhammad-isis-iraqs-full-story.html

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:45 | 6617742 MeBizarro
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I was talking to my former coworker who is Syrian today at lunch.  His brother is a human rights lawyer who is working out of Istanbul & Beirut right now and he says the civilian atrocities committed by all sides are so great, lenghty, and complicated that it will never get sorted out.

He hates Assad but hopes that there can be some kind of resolution to this sooner than later.  Already has lost a couple of family members including an uncle and an aunt. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 16:57 | 6617780 AlfredNeumann
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Ask him if he hates Assad for protecting his country against USA funded terrorists.

I can give you all kinds of similar examples.

I worked in Libya for 2 years.  One day I was at the food court in the mall in Tripoli and the waiter was Iraqi.  He said Ghaddaffi had taken him in as a refugee after USA invaded Iraq.  He was so thankful.

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:10 | 6617853 MeBizarro
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Assad has piles of corpses too and the Syrian gov't troops committed a shit load of atrocities especially earlier in the war including directly against civilian and civilian targets including bombing markets & transportation hubs.

Your delusional if you think Assad is some kind of national Syrian hero.  One of the few consistent things is just how much he is hated and by some many different types. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:20 | 6617898 AlfredNeumann
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over 50 percent support Assad against the terrorists. 

Try this on for size.  What do you think the USA govt would do if a bunch of foreign funded rebels tried to overthrow the USA govt?

The USA funded butchered Syrian Christians of which there are many.

American troops commit atrocties everywhere they go. Does that mean their commmander in chief has to go?

I sense your Syrian buddy is a lying piece of shit.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:40 | 6617983 delacroix
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well he is a lawyer

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:00 | 6618076 AlfredNeumann
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Lawyer's are proficient at lying.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:16 | 6618654 PN7
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I read somewhere that Assad is an opthalmologist.  I'm not kidding.  His wife is quite attractive...kind of a brownette...close to being a blond.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:55 | 6618999 MeBizarro
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I haven't seen a recent reliable poll that validates those numbers.  There has been a continued stream of people into gov't-held areas simply for security reasons but the highest number I have seen is 39%.  Assad's support numbers in reliable polls haven't been over 50% since '13. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:46 | 6619141 gezley
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Well of course. Half his people are dead and the other half forced out of the country. Did you expect his support to hold up under these conditions?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:30 | 6617938 AlfredNeumann
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It wasn't Assad's troops that tore the heart of a  Syrian Christian out and ate it on live video.

It was one of your AmeriNazi terrorist bastards. and I don't blame Assads' troops for  being livid about that.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:45 | 6617973 matermaker
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punctuation bitch.   If you're gong to be taken seriously, you need to take commas seriously.  You've made over 90 comments just TODAY.  Set the crack pipe down, boy.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:59 | 6618067 AlfredNeumann
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Go fuck yourself you shit for brains asshole.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:32 | 6618214 Sparkey
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Alfred you rudely and  abruptly turned away his, oblique, offer to help you.

As an intellectual you, Alfred, have surely, at minium, reached the degree of 'Pseudo' and, truth be told, you sometimes verge on brilliance, please don't lower the tone of the board further, please refrain from engaging in profanity contests!

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 00:55 | 6619397 cheech_wizard
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVGQ-f3qQXE

Standard Disclaimer: You have to realize that someday you will die,
Until you know that, you are useless!”

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 23:53 | 6619300 pupdog1
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Poor puncuation can kill.

Let's eat, Grandma!

Let's eat Grandma!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:20 | 6617899 The Indelicate ...
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us foreign policy is Zionist Israel's foreign policy

Context of 'February 1982: Article in Israeli Journal Says Israel Should Exploit Internal Tensions of Arab States'

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...

"Viewed in this context, the war on Syria and Iraq is part of the process of Israeli territorial expansion. Israeli intelligence working hand in glove with the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and NATO is directly supportive of the crusade directed against the so-called Islamic State (ISIS), which ultimately seeks to destroy both Syria and Iraq as nation states. "

- http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...

Washington’s Longstanding Plans to Implement “Regime Change” in Syria

http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-longstanding-plans-to-implement...

Bush and Obama - couldn't be different, right, and yet State remains lousy with Israel Firster neocon warmongers.

Richard Perle was investigated for spying, and ends up in thye Bush administration?

Irving Kristol said a neoconservative is a liberal who’s been mugged by reality.

but what a neoconservative really is is a Zionist, Jewish or not, who seeks to use American blood and treasure, regardless of the cost in lives or blood, for the perceived benefits of the Jewish State in the Levant.

'Just as some neoconservatives see the failure of U.S. forces in Iraq as a pretext to threaten Iran, others find the failure to recover Saddam’s “weapons of mass destruction” a pretext to accuse Syria. In 2003, they passed on the ridiculous allegations of Ariel Sharon, who said that Iraq had secretly transferred their WMDs to Syria, along with their nuclear scientists. On November 11th, 2003, Congress passed the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act, imposing economic sanctions intended “to halt Syrian support for terrorism, end its occupation of Lebanon, [and] stop its development of weapons of mass destruction”. The aggression against Syria didn’t begin until 2012, under the guise of a civil war, but it had been premeditated since at least February 2000, when David Wurmser, in an article for the American Enterprise Institute entitled “Let’s Defeat Syria, Not Appease It” was calling for a conflict through which “Syria will slowly bleed to death”."

- http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html

If they weren't Jews - people would be talking about this openly and frequently.

But they are.

so they can set up shop in the Pentagon to make an end run around the CIA to get the war Netanyahu and Likud want.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/01/lie-factory

"Both Wolfowitz and Feith have deep roots in the neoconservative movement. One of the most influential Washington neo- conservatives in the foreign-policy establishment during the Republicans' wilderness years of the 1990s, Wolfowitz has long held that not taking Baghdad in 1991 was a grievous mistake. He and others now prominent in the administration said so repeatedly over the past decade in a slew of letters and policy papers from neoconservative groups like the Project for the New American Century and the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Feith, a former aide to Richard Perle at the Pentagon in the 1980s and an activist in far-right Zionist circles, held the view that there was no difference between U.S. and Israeli security policy and that the best way to secure both countries' future was to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem not by serving as a broker, but with the United States as a force for "regime change" in the region."

And if you note that a bunch of unqualified Jewish Zionists were suddenly 'experts' coming to conclusions the real experts didn't - you're a "anti-Semite."

And over a million people are dead and still the neocons want more blood for Zion.

http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

Had enough yet?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:39 | 6617976 Sorry_about_Dresden
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How can past, and present, administrations claim to be attempting to contain Iran and ISIL yet US Foreign does everything to just give the ME to their professed enemies?

This article, about 

Qassem Suleimani,

 was published in 2013 but is very relevant.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/30/the-shadow-commander.

Can our leaders be so fucking stupid? No! I don't think so!!!!

The State Departments stupid policies are obviously meant to cripple our power.

I think the ISIL fighters are just the same old Blackwater crew that got kicked out of Iraq when Malaki rescinded US immunity. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:53 | 6618032 SSRI Junkie
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obola just infused iran with over a $100 billion with his secret non-treaty that didn't require a 2/3's vote of the senate. all hail iranian born valerie jarrett...now iran is preparing ground assaults shortly after. no connections or tie-ins here

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:57 | 6618056 AlfredNeumann
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Go IRAN!!!!!! Go Russia!!!  kill all the USA funded and trained terrorists. moderate or otherwise.

There is no such thing as a ''good'' terrorist

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:25 | 6618073 SSRI Junkie
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Fri, 10/02/2015 - 05:57 | 6619611 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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If a Muslim was able to forgive and accept every other brother of Allah there would not be so many Sunni and Shia faithful dying.

But forgivess is somehting a Muslim reserves for himself daily to justify his contradictory belief systmem which forces him to violate the divine revealtions of the Prophet in order to perform the kind of Jihad his Mullah taught.

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:11 | 6618119 besnook
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it might get a little drafty for millenials.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:14 | 6618137 Kyddyl
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  The Assads have been in power in Syria for a very long time. First the elder, father to Bashar, and now Bashar. They have been lawfully and legally elected by their country. Syria was a very diverse country with the oldest Christian communities, (some even speaking Aramiac) living peacefully alongside many other Christians, Jews, Sufi, Shia and Sunni Muslims. The cultural diversity was amazing. Syria was known as "The Little Switzerland". It is/was a land of wonderful antiquities that placed a value on education. Not even close to civil war. Yes there was the Hama Massacre, but that was an internal affair and was rapidly ended. The standard of living was on a per with the better parts of Mexico but the country is poor in natural resources. They have very little oil and the country needs the income from the pipelines that run through it. 

Then came Saudi Arabia and the Wahabbi perversion of Islam that we all know and don't love. Then came the profiteering interests from the US in collusion with Saudi (with its oil) and with the Zionists who need to go away, permanently. If there is a puddle of oil the US will try to grab it to send to China, to wit: the "war that would pay for itself-GWB". Of course Afghanistan is valued for its poppies which are used against Iran and to continue the "War on Drugs" here.

The US and Saudi Arabia will be shitting all over the walls that are closing in. Well they deserve it! We still get at least 17% of our oil from Saudi, and oops! Somebody blew up an airliner sitting on the ground in Iran under President Carter's watch. Iran closed the taps and the borders. I wonder why? (Besides having their young people hooked on US protected heroin).

Yes, the situation IS dangerous, but I'm not going to pay much attention to kool aid drinkers, hysterics and other half baked writers who proclaim the crap from Reuters. If President Putin wants to tell me something I'll listen, but I'm NOT going to listen to a lot of perverted old men who worry far more about my vagina than I do. Term limits on ALL the bastards!  

Disclosure. I have six American/Syrian/Saudi relative who live in Riyadh and refuse to live in the US anymore. I have a son with 2 Bronze Stars and a Purple Heart who has been destroyed by these war profiteers that pass for US politicians. Am I bitter? Believe it. God willing these refugees will be able to return home and rebuild their lives.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:28 | 6618195 besnook
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so you will listen to a perverted young man?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:33 | 6618219 Kyddyl
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Not if his ears stick out.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:55 | 6618326 AlfredNeumann
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Why are they living in Riyadh?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:29 | 6618917 Deus Irate
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I particularly liked the part about those saudi paedophiles shitting all over the walls. Filthy, murderous, mouth-breathing sons of whores the lot of them. I hope they are wetting themselves every time they hear a loud noise.

I also hope your brave son and relatives find peace and happiness.

insha'Allah

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:14 | 6618142 Joe Tierney
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Dominos falling Russia's way.....

 

With a BIG PUSH by Putin, of course!

 

USA, Europe and Saudi finding out how very un-smart it is to cross Russia! They all declared war on Russia, so did they expect Pooty to forfeit the game????

 

The way this is unfolding, regional and other major powers outside the Middle East are going to have to give Russia meaningful recognition, in concrete terms (policy changes, trade deals, etc) if they want to exempt themselves from Russia's potent pushback against its war rivals.

 

This therefore has all the earmarks of a very significant strategic geopolitical rise for Russia-China, and a corresponding collapse of the West. This process is accelerating....Putin's about to push the West off-balance, reaching the past-center point, and geopolitical 'gravity' will be on his side then.....

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:19 | 6618877 Reggie Dunlop
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I hurt myslef laughing at this.  Please type something else so I can keep laughing.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 01:21 | 6619424 Charming Anarchist
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I thought this was funny when I 1st heard it: 

The Queen of Peace at Medjugorje 1981 – “The Russian people will come to glorify God the most.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 05:43 | 6619599 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Yeah hurray hurray the Russians are killing as many brown people as they can.

Why do you hate these Allah fearing faithful servants of Islam?

It is the color of their skin right?

You are a racist. You hate for no reason and rejoice in the death of little brown boys and girls.

Sun, 10/04/2015 - 07:37 | 6627621 iluvbrunettes
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No sirree, they don't hate all of us brownies; just the radical Wahhabi wannabees or anyone who's part of the Yankee Jihad.  I have no problem with the Russian Federation; live and let live I say, and bless all those who rejoice in the revival of Christianity in Russia.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:19 | 6618157 Moribundus
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Here is video made by those who are targeted by Russian air strikes- Alahu akbar. I see no civilians there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXkmh4Sh-JM

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:54 | 6618319 NubianSundance
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Where are the youtube videos of the US bombing ISIS?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:28 | 6618194 Manipuflation
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Well, I haven't had much time to post or read ZH this week because of preparing for winter but I have been listening to the situation in Syria with Russia.  I haven't spoken with my Russian wife in a couple of days because of schedule conflicts but I finally had the chance to do so.  I told her that I would make her a bet on who will "accidentally" strike each other first, the U.S. or Russia.  She didn't want to make that bet and she blurted out that it will be Russians.  I have to agree.

I explained that given the forces involved and technology involved, that we know of, it will go something like this:  It will start with an "off course" U.S. drone going a little too close to the Russians.  This will be considered spying because it IS spying.  Russians, knowing it is a drone with no pilot, will consider it an expensive high tech "clay pigeon" and likely shoot the fucking thing down if they can.  Obama will look like the fool he is AGAIN and with no Merican lives lost, it really won't be that big of deal. 

From what I am hearing the Russian people do not like this fucking around in Syria.  At least the Russian public knows that they are in Syria unlike Merica where public schools named after Barack Obama are educating the chillen.

You have to admit that it is a pretty good idea to blast one of those U.S. drones just to say fuck off and I hope the Russians do.  Does Vegas have a line on the possible outcomes of U.S. and Russia fighting in the same foreign country but supporting differing agendas?

Mrs. M simply shook her head, looked at me and said, "This is bad."  "I know", I replied.  Enough said. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:32 | 6618707 Torn Frequency
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Its not just the US and Russia that is fighting there. Netherlands, France, the UK.. Isreal, Iran.. its already turning bad as is. Isreal is heading into Syria soon too troop wise, their salivating at it practicly since if they can snag a piece of syria they can add more to their own territory. No joke here.. Isreali president already declared that most nations at the UN are not isreal friendly. He's going quite nuts in that rethoric. Since he visited the UK, and Russia a few weeks before this happening, and Obama recieved the house of saud over for a visit i can merely guess there are more things bound to happen. And lets not forget the Iranians, and the Chinese that are there at Syria now too. No, i don't think it matters who shoots who by accident to kick it off.. i think the powers that be want to push it, and its only a matter of time till one of them makes that very fatal mistake thats going to cost the people their lives just to sate their own agenda. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:05 | 6618814 Deus Irate
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My Russian wife disagrees with your Russian wife. Catfight at midnight? ;)

I tend to agree with your mrs though, not simply because I like getting bitch-slapped by an angry blond goddess, but because the Russians have one decided weakness in this brewing conflict: a respect for humanity. Nato and their USSA masters have no such scruples and will recklessly manufacture some kind of incident that ends up forcing the Russians over a line they would never otherwise cross. Mind you, Mr Putin and particularly his foreign minister appear to have pretty cool heads...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 23:29 | 6619250 Manipuflation
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No need for a catfight.  I have been with this woman for more than a decade.  In that time, I have met many Russians and made many friends and I have never had a fight with any of them.  I have made friends with them and they set aside their inherit nationalism because I set aside mine and they know it.  I know every Russians weakness and that is the Russian Central Bank!!!!!!!!!  Well, yes, the bankers again and that partly why I have some of the rarest Russian Empire and early soviet coins in the world.  Ask your wife if she has a polushka.;-)  That is not that expensive of a coin per se but I have a nice one and they are rare.  Russians are proud of their history but I stop them them cold on monetary history because they are not so good at that.  Invariably, in any polite discussion with any Russian, it comes down to proof that you know at least some of their history.  I always turn that into their monetary history with evidence.

We shall see how life progresses.  The Mrs and I will be fine but there are more considerations and Obama and Western Europe have already proven that they are capable of going above and beyond full retard.

Ochen priyatna

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:39 | 6618255 Bear
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Did Bush make a mistake going to Iraq in 2003 ... Yes

Did Obama make a mistake extracting all troops from Iraq in 2011 ... Yes

Both of these moves were made for narrow partisan political reasons and have resulted in 100,000's of thousand being killed.

For 25 years there has no leadership in DC and frankly no plans beyond the next election. They have not represented our best interests well.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:39 | 6618259 New_Meat
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Hi all y'all, just a thing.  We're being scammed at the basic language level, on purpose.

For instance, if you listen/have had the guts to listen to e.g. Christianne Ammampour she is quite clear in talking about "Hezbowla".

We all know that the Hezboz are the "Party of God"

Therefore, in the article and in the UPI press "standards" and ... the correct spelling is Hezb'Allah --> Party of God.

We shouldn't disrespect God, should we?  Evidently we ought not disrespect Allah, I certainly don't

- Ned

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:51 | 6618309 AlfredNeumann
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Longlive Hezbollah real men who kicked idf ass

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:04 | 6618812 joego1
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You suck Hezbollah. Bend over on your carpet muzzie.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:51 | 6618310 AlfredNeumann
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Longlive Hezbollah real men who kicked idf ass

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 05:37 | 6619593 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Hezbolllah where after sucking a dick you get too suck more dick.

What a gang of faggots.

And BTW   Allah is a pimp and Mohammed was a male for male prostitute who worked for him.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:41 | 6618271 The Indelicate ...
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This asshole

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-un-assembly-israel-idUSKCN0...

is a problem that needs to be solved.

the whole world - including CIA, DIA, British intel, Mossad, iaea - everyone is wrong - but the guy who spent 20 years crying wolf while building more of his own and continuing to define multiple UN and UNSC resolutions is right?

https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFr4C2BPLeM

oh and he stole nuclear tech from the US and was a planner of 9/11.

http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2012/07/03/netanyahu-worked-insi...

*****
http://www.israellobby.org/About/news.htm
*****

If I were someone who cared passionately about Israel and its regular people - I would recognize a threat like no other in this psychopath.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:08 | 6618614 rsnoble
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That asshole is a specially dangerous psychopath.  He's actually a registered genius.  We should call him Hannibal.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:28 | 6619093 Runs-With_Toast
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I knew the link would be Netanfukyou

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:42 | 6619131 Sorry_about_Dresden
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Same as it ever was.

Likud Party is just the, rebranded, Irgun terror network.

Please note the map of Israel on the Irgun arm insignia. That looks like Syria and Jordan to me!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pantani.jpg

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 23:18 | 6619224 SirBarksAlot
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"His second staredown with the General Assembly lasted for 45 seconds, coming after Netanyahu accused the assembly of maintaining "deafening silence" in the face of Iranian threats to destroy Israel."

 

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 04:32 | 6619557 dreadnaught
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same old Israeli whine...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:05 | 6618595 rsnoble
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UN travel ban??? LMAO!

I bet Obama is just outraged and this debacle! Lol!

Seems to be plenty of shit to go wrong to coverup the big crash coming.  Same as it ever was.  Except with bigger bombs.  I would seriously leave this planet if I could.  In a live state that is.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:05 | 6618597 opport.knocks
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And how does Israel manage to not get a mention as part of the: "the counterbalance to the US-Saudi-Qatar alliance". If I was the suspicious type I would tnink they were deliberately attempting to deflect attention away from themselves and their role.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:08 | 6618613 Z_End
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Heard at the morning brief at CENTCOM:
"What the Fuck just happened?!"

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:11 | 6618632 wow thats crazy
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Good article but I do have one question.

 the US did make a deal with Iran, Why?

Maybe with the Saudi's trying to crash the Shale Industry which really hurts the US overall, lets not kid are self on that one, and Israel braking every promise and any chance of peace with the Palestinians. Maybe the US tired of their bullshit!

What do you think?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:57 | 6619168 bunnyswanson
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US dollar will be exchanged for goods with Iran and other nations cooperating, as I understand it.  This may include oil. 

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 01:09 | 6619415 Charming Anarchist
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My guess is that Iranians know better than to trust American businessmen. 

<<What do you think?>>

Just a guess. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 23:05 | 6619190 SirBarksAlot
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I think Jim Willie and V the Guerilla Economist are saying that the Saudis are pumping 90% water from their oil wells.  So, the US is done using them.  Now they want to be friends with Iran, instead. 

But they also say that Russia or China are building a refinery in Saudi Arabia. 

The Saudis are outnumbered in the region and since a lot of Arabs don't like the way they pander to Israel and the US and two major holy sites are in Saudi Arabia, the Saudis are nervous about losing US military support. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:55 | 6618782 Deus Irate
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I read up to the point where it said Russia annexed Crimea, then stopped. This is simply so much more empire of chaos agitprop, interspersed with incoherent, neo-con codswallop.

BTW, does Sam Power have aids or is she just a vegan? Yeesh she is looking worse than Anne Frank after her stay at the Auschwitz hotel.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 05:32 | 6619590 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Nevfer let a Russian on your soil. Then and only then will he not claim that he once fucked a goat on the land which makes it his forever.

Only one other nation has fostered this bullshit on the world and we got Palestine following their fucked up reasoning.

Not letting a Russian ever toch it makes sure none of his stricky fingered offspring can make a gypsy claim of ownership.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 06:41 | 6619645 BitchezGonnaBitch
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Wow... Tell me more. I like that one where Russians make dumplings and cabbage soup out of children, tell that one.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:02 | 6618809 Chapulin Colorado
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Pay no attention to this false red flag,  it is just a distraction to drive or attention away from the the Kardashians and Fantasy Football. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:13 | 6618865 Richard Whitney
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Saudis do have one weapon they could use against VVP: $20 oil.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 23:00 | 6619178 SirBarksAlot
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Iran has more oil than the Saudis.  So, I don't follow you.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 04:02 | 6619543 Victor999
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By what measure?  I don't think you can find anyone who would support that view.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:19 | 6618880 nnnnnn
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where is message the potato trader?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:49 | 6618986 fowlerja
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This is getting too complicated.. lets just have Armageddon and getter done with...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:55 | 6619160 bunnyswanson
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Not complicated at all.  The Calvary has arrived.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 23:58 | 6619313 Manipuflation
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Point of information.  Calvary vs cavalry.  http://writingexplained.org/calvary-vs-cavalry-difference

We are not talking about there, their and they're on this usage.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 03:57 | 6619541 Victor999
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Nor here and hear.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:55 | 6619000 MrBoompi
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The author fails to mention the actions of the US in the region, the main driver for the turmoil.  If Russia and Iran end up causing problems for the US, it will be a result of serious US foreign policy mistakes.  The US and its allies are stuck in an embarrassing situation since they publically say they oppose ISIS but are caught supporting them covertly.  I have no idea what motivates such a post other than someone being a tool of the empire being paid to post propaganda.  

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 05:26 | 6619584 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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But islam has not had any influnce in the area. Islam does not cause friction resulting in significant death when its adherents spread the faith.

No history of that happening. There are not two different sects of islam which have adherents activley trying to kill each other. Not happening and never has never will.

 

Sunni and Shia love each other. Every Sunni and Shia father dreams daily that his daughter willl marry a man from not his Mosque but from the one that has the guys with guns trying to kill members of his Mosque

When attending the Mosque the first thing you hear is how being a Sunni is great while among the Shia. And the Sunni Mosques send as much money as they can each week to Shia one down the street.

No Islam has nothing at all to do with how Islamic nations in the ME function and interact with one another. It is those goddam Amerricans again.

 

 

 

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