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Saudis Mull Launch Of Regional War As Russia Pounds Targets In Syria For Fourth Day
While the US has certainly made some epic strategic blunders in Syria that raise serious questions about just how “intelligent” US intelligence actually is, there’s little doubt that if one were to look behind all of the media parroting, the Pentagon and Langley understand all too well what’s going on in the Middle East.
That is, the significance of the Russia-Iran “nexus” in Syria isn’t lost on anyone in the US military and you can bet there have been quite a few high level discussions over the past 72 hours about the best way to counter Moscow and Tehran’s powerplay before it spills over into Iraq and ends up degrading Washington’s influence in Baghdad.
As we put it on Friday, “if Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night.”
Sure enough, some experts now predict Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey will move to counter Russia militarily if Moscow continues to rack up gains for Assad. Here’s The Guardian with more:
Regional powers have quietly, but effectively, channelled funds, weapons and other support to rebel groups making the biggest inroads against the forces from Damascus. In doing so, they are investing heavily in a conflict which they see as part of a wider regional struggle for influence with bitter rival Iran.
In a week when Russia made dozens of bombing raids, those countries have made it clear that they remain at least as committed to removing Assad as Moscow is to preserving him.
“There is no future for Assad in Syria,” Saudi foreign minister Adel Al-Jubeir warned, a few hours before the first Russian bombing sorties began. If that was not blunt enough, he spelled out that if the president did not step down as part of a political transition, his country would embrace a military option, “which also would end with the removal of Bashar al-Assad from power”. With at least 39 civilians reported dead in the first bombing raids, the prospect of an escalation between backers of Assad and his opponents is likely to spell more misery for ordinary Syrians.
“The Russian intervention is a massive setback for those states backing the opposition, particularly within the region – Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey – and is likely to elicit a strong response in terms of a counter-escalation,” said Julien Barnes-Dacey, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.
As the Syrian civil war has unfolded, Saudi Arabia has been clear about its position, say analysts. “Since the beginning of the uprising in Syria, the view in Riyadh has been that Bashar al-Assad must go. There is no indication what-soever that Riyadh will change this position,” said Mohammed Alyahya, associate fellow at the King Faisal Centre for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh.
“What is clear to Riyadh and its regional allies is that the recent Russian and Iranian escalation will only create a more unstable region and spill more blood,” he said.
Riyadh has focused support on rebels in the south, say analysts, while allies Turkey and Qatar have reportedly backed northern rebels, including conservative Islamist militias such as Ahrar al Sham.
That group, in alliance with the al-Qaida affiliate Jabhat al Nusra, recently reached a local ceasefire deal with Assad in the north. Its success in taking on government forces is thought to have been one trigger for the Russian bombing campaign and put them among the jets’ first targets.
“Most probably, the coming efforts will focus on boosting the effectiveness of major coalitions, co-ordination and co-operation between the most influential and effective groups in Syria,” said regional analyst Ali Bakeer.
Of course that isn’t going to work.
Say what you will about how successful guerilla/urban warfare can be when it comes to bogging down a conventional army (examples of this include Vietnam, the Soviet-Afghan war, and Somalia during the Black Hawk down debacle), but the disorganization of the Syrian resistance combined with the fact that Iran has its own well-armed militias on the ground that, in combination with Hezbollah, are providing the ground support for Russian airstrikes, means the situation is all but hopeless for the various Riyadh- and Doha-backed groups operating in Syria.
The only way to turn the tide here would be to intervene directly.
But just as Iran is unwilling to risk direct intervention on behalf of the Houthis in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Qatar will likely be unwilling to risk direct intervention on behalf of their proxy armies in Syria. The problem for Riyadh and Doha: Syria is a lot more strategically important than Yemen. Here’s The Guardian again:
Saudi Arabia and Qatar are already embroiled in an expensive and bloody war in Yemen that may limit both their military and financial resources. They have also so far deferred to western bans on transferring hi-tech weapons – including missiles that could take down aircraft – over fears that they might change hands in the chaos of the war and be used against their makers.
“The uncertain question today is the degree of power combined with efficiency that regional powers will be willing to bring to the table,” said Barnes-Dacey. “Do the Saudis now try to take matters decisively into their hands, including by providing rebels with sophisticated weaponry long denied them?
“The new [Saudi] king [Salman] has shown a willingness to be much more assertive and take measures into the kingdom’s own hands. If the Saudis see the situation slipping out of their hands, and there is a real sense that the Iranians are consolidating their position in Syria, you could see much stronger response.”
And speaking of a “strong response,” Russia continued to hit anti-regime targets for a fourth consecutive day on Sunday, making good on the Defense Ministry’s promise to step up strikes. Here’s Reuters:
Air strikes by suspected Russian jets hit targets around the town of Talbiseh in western Syria on Sunday, residents and a group which monitors the civil war in Syria said, a day after Russia promised to step up its air campaign.
Ambulances rushed wounded people to hospital in Talbiseh, north of the city of Homs, and one resident said at least five bodies had been recovered from the western part of the town.
"So far there are seven or six raids in the town," said Abdul Ghafar al Dweik, a former government employee and volunteer rescue worker.
He said he believed the raid was carried out by Russian jets. "They come suddenly... With the Syrian planes, we would get a warning but now all of a sudden we see it over our heads," he said.
We have said time and again that there’s no question Russian airstrikes will contribute to human suffering in Syria. After all, when you drop bombs on populated areas you’re bound to kill civilians (including women and children) no matter what Moscow says. However, the highlighted passages above shouldn’t come as a surprise. If you want your airstrikes to be effective, you’re not going to warn anyone about them beforehand unless of course you're dropping a nuke in which case you can tell civilians to leave ahead of time because you're reasonably sure the destruction will be so vast as to make the element of surprise a non-factor.
As for the effectiveness of the strikes, The Kremlin is out again claiming that ISIS is on its heels. Via Bloomberg and the Russian Defense Ministry (translated):
- Russian warplanes have made 20 sorties, attacked 10 ISIS targets in Syria in past 24h, Russian Defense Ministry says on website.
- Air force has attacked militant training camps in Raqqa, Idlib provinces; destroyed explosives workshop
- Warplanes destroyed at least 4 ammunition depots, several command posts
- Russian forces have broken “the management and logistics of the terrorist organization” and caused “significant damage to the infrastructure used for preparation of terrorist attacks”
And here's David Cameron repeating the Assad "butcher" accustations (again, via Bloomberg):
Russia is “backing the butcher Assad, which is a terrible mistake for them and for the world,” Cameron told BBC Television’s “Andrew Marr Show” on Sunday. “It’s going to make the region more unstable, which will lead to further radicalization and increased terrorism.”
Cameron continued: “I would say to them change direction, join us in attacking ISIL but recognize that if we want to have a secure region we need an alternative to Assad,” using an alternative designation for Islamic State. Assad “can’t unite the Syrian people.”
Yes, Assad "can't unite the Syrian people", because clearly that's what this is all about, which explains why the West has been doing anything and everything to promote disunity among Syrians for the better part of a decade, and on that note, we close with the following excerpt from a leaked diplomatic cable penned by then-Deputy Head of Mission in Syria William Roebuck in 2006 which shows just how concerned the West is with Syrian "unity":
-- PLAY ON SUNNI FEARS OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE: There are fears in Syria that the Iranians are active in both Shia proselytizing and conversion of, mostly poor, Sunnis. Though often exaggerated, such fears reflect an element of the Sunni community in Syria that is increasingly upset by and focused on the spread of Iranian influence in their country through activities ranging from mosque construction to business. Both the local Egyptian and Saudi missions here, (as well as prominent Syrian Sunni religious leaders), are giving increasing attention to the matter and we should coordinate more closely with their governments on ways to better publicize and focus regional attention on the issue.
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I'll know Saudi is in trouble when I see the king's $500,000 gold toilet seat from sale on FleaBay. Wait 'till his harem goes on the meat market for sale!
Good one, but there are thousands of those filter feeders.
Yes, if the luxury is suddenly removed from their lives, the Russian people wouldn't notice, never having had much in the first place. But the Saudis and Qataris can't survive in their current arrangements.
That is exactly my point. Life in Russia will go on as usual. Saudi is already struggling with princes who want overthrow, restless populace, and imported (and often abused and thus angry) foreigners.
USA is preparing to rip itself apart. For some reason Americans believe they can foist death, destruction, mayhem and hopelessness upon the entire rest of the planet, while somehow remaining immune from it themselves. The neocons love death and killing, and it will come home. Ask Imperial Rome. The hubris is absolutely breathtaking.
You know most Americans are clueless as all they get is overwhelming propaganda from cradle to grave. It is the US policy makers that know they can use the American people's labor to continue with their nefarious plans.
Yes...
Plus One Kabillion SWR... Perfectly Said...
"USA is preparing to rip itself apart. For some reason Americans believe they can foist death, destruction, mayhem and hopelessness upon the entire rest of the planet, while somehow remaining immune from it themselves. The neocons love death and killing, and it will come home. Ask Imperial Rome. The hubris is absolutely breathtaking."
(note to ZH.. The Kabillion Award is given out very infrequently... since it takes quite awhile to print a Kabillion)
Saudi Arabia also has a minority of Shiites , about 12-15% of the population , who are always being told what heretical rubbish they are by their Wahabbi rulers.
About 15-20% of the entire population of KSA live in poverty.
The provinces of Najran , Asir and Jisran in the south west of KSA being overrun by the Houthis right now.
Iran, already cheesed over the persecution of Shias in Saudi, now just waiting for revenge for the recent, ? deliberate, loss of life Mecca - about 750 of whom were Iranian.
Things do not look good for KSA.
>> Saudi is already struggling with princes who want overthrow, restless populace, and imported (and often abused and thus angry) foreigners. <<
Preaching to the Choir mate. I was thinking of doing a stint at the King Faisal Military Hospital (Jeddah) years ago, but the very negative feedback from many Ex-Pats. was a real awakening.
Such delights as:
"Confiscation" of passports (i.e. they had absolute control over your staying there).
"No Alcohol" for the plebs, whilst we KNOW the "Ruling Classes" were immune from any such restrictions (hence the 747 freighters full of Scotch, again for "The Connected")
"All purchases must be from "The Company Shop(s)" - a nice little closed market, fed on bribes and connections. A fully "captive" population = very easy pickings . . .
Make a mistake, you're in BIG trouble. Members of the Elite make a mistake - you're still in BIG trouble. "They" never make mistakes, only the "Imported Workers".
The Ruling Families / Clans and their progeny are far, far above "The Law". If one of the Ruling Elite's kids (12 and up) crashes his Ferrari / Lamborghini into you, you are "responsible".
Absolutely rife corruption, especially amongst the "Police". (See above).
Atrocious mis-treatment of those the Saudi's regard as "inferior", including rape, mutilation, and enslavement.
Regional powers have quietly, but effectively, channelled funds, weapons and other support to rebel groups making the biggest inroads against the forces from Damascus.“What is clear to Riyadh and its regional allies is that the recent Russian and Iranian escalation will only create a more unstable region and spill more blood,” he said.
Because all that those "regional powers" did so far was in service of "stable region"...
Exactly.
How dare Russia and Iran tinker with America andvSuadis bombed out, fucked up Shangrala that is their legacy in the Middle East.
Exactly.
How dare Russia and Iran tinker with America andvSuadis bombed out, fucked up Shangrala that is their legacy in the Middle East.
They know what´s coming. Iran and Russia will chase ISIS to the Saudi border. And then they stop the chase. And then the next chapter enfolds.
Stick with the small bucket, I do not believe that the Saudi little boy lovers and women beaters sill last long against the Russians, Syrians and Iranians l their mercenaries will flee from a real fighting force!
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That's exactly what will happen if they go against Russia. Which is why the raghead Riyadh cowards will never step up.
Saudi are being setup as Zion's stooges. If they win - ZIon gets lebensraum to the north of Israel, if they lose - lebensraum to the south. The inevitable public reason for the land grab - poor defenseless little Israel needs a buffer zone between it and the Muslims.
Saudi Wahabi Crypto Jews ARE Zionistas...
Zion really is determined to have its war.
Shedding others blood for their gain is what they do. They are going to have to do a hell of a PR job with their media to get a burnt out U.S. public back into this shit show but I wouldn't put it past them to try.
And once again we see who is driving American foreign policy in the Middle East -- our good friends the Royal family of Saudi Arabia. Putin really made a brilliant play on this one. Most Americans are cheering for him as he destroys the CIA created boggie man ISIS, and the CIA controlled US media doesn't know what the fuck to say about it because they've already convinced the public that ISIS is the real reason we're screwing around in Syria. Check mate unless the US decides to go full retard and start bombing the Russians based upon some false flag like the Russians bombing a hospital or something -- oops, can't really do that now either.
It only took $4 Trillion but Bush and Barry, working together, were able to hand over Iraq and all its oil to Iran.
Quite an achievement!
Better hurry up and get Trump in the White House...he's promising to bomb the fuck out of the Iraqi's and take their oil...an easy job if done BEFORE Russia and Iran take control of Iraq...
MORE WAR PLEASE!
Wait a moment, hasn't somebody already bombed the fuck out of the Iraqi's and taken their oil? I mean, within fairly recent memory?
Sadly we have to add to the tally the thousands of lives lost and 10's of thousands who've returned home with missing limbs, brain injuries, and psychatric disorders. A failure of biblical proportions.
There's almost an 8 month wait to get into one of the veteran rehab centers in San Antonio for those Iraq/Afghanistan limbless vets. Canon Fodder, but most of them don't even realize what they were fighting for.
Fuck them, they'd no business there in the first place. If you want to go to war, you need to know that someone is firing back. If you're fighting outside of you own country, you should be asking some very serious questions.
An 18 y.o. with an IQ of 85 is very gullable, unfortunately. Throw in the $30k bonus they gave them, and they drool at enlisting.
And once again we see who is driving American foreign policy in the Middle East -- our good friends the Royal family of Saudi Arabia.
Do not fail to miss the "go to" interview with the demon worshipper at The European Council of Foreign Relations. Saudi Arabia's interest just happens to *currently* align with the globalists. Convenient for them - for now.
I disagree. I think the drivers are unnamed and the royals of KSA are both a faction and a pawn. They would look at themselves and see a faction. When looked down upon by TPTB they are pawns (like 99.999999% of humanity).
I also do not see most Americans cheering for Putin. I see most Americans are absolutely ignorant and clueless as per usual. Some think they are informed and think evil Putin grasping at empire. I cannot speak to Putin's motives and I do hold suspicion of anybody who has maintained power like his as long as that man. Still, I have to ask them what exactly Putin has done.
"Invaded Ukraine."
Really? Show me pictures and video that isn't years old and taken from a completely different country while I show you pictures and video of the US State Department funding and fomenting a violent uprising by neo nazis against a constitutionally elected government (this is not to say that I disagree in any way with Ukrainians taking action of their own volition but that isn't what happened).
"Well, he shot down that jetliner."
Proof? The west has all the evidence and we have no proof. You do realize the official report only confirmed that the jet was in fact shotdown. They have presented no evidence that either confirms nor denies any particular faction did in fact shoot it down.
"He's invading Syria."
Putin was invited by the Syrian government because ISIS and their allies were starting to win the war despite our forces supposedly bombing them all year. If we were bombing and droning them, in addition to the fighting by the Iraqis, Syrians, and Kurds, then why were they still winning? If Russia, Syria, and Iran all want to defeat ISIS then who is it that wants ISIS to win - who is supporting the bad guys in black if all the other bad guys are trying to kill them?
"I don't know. You wanna watch the Redsox?"
"Invaded Ukraine."?! LOL
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Right now Ukraine wants Russia to sign the pact does not attack Ukraine. If now, Russian troops would be in Ukraine, what's the reason for Kiev to ask for such a document from Moscow?!
A Ukrainian oligarch/politicans signature is worth less than zero. Compared to these fuckers, Israeli politicians look honest and reasonable.
The Ukranian Oligarchs are all jews with israeli citzenship, they're working with Soros and the Neo-Cohens in the State Department to bring WWIII to Europe like their fathers did 60 years ago.
"Most Americans are cheering for him as he destroys the CIA.... "
Not true...most Americans are asleep...this takes the point out of your comment....unless you refer Most Americans as ZHers which is not true.
Most Americans are more interested in the fact that the Philadelphia Eagles Coach Kelly not giving DeMarco Murray enough touches.
Can you believe this headline?
DeMarco Murray doesn't think Chip Kelly is giving him enough toucheshttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/demarco-murray-doesn-t...
I guess that there is a reason why that some call it Fagball.
Turn those Tight Ends into Wide Receivers and shove it in that End Zone...so that they SCORE.
That is what Americans are interested in.
It will come as a surprise, a terminal shock, to most when they experience their Nuclear Sunrise.
Shhhhhhhh...Do not awaken them. They are really better off that way. Let them sleep. They will not know what hit them.
It is very difficult - bombing the Russians.
Because the Russian air defense better than anyone in the world can shoot down aircraft and missiles. In addition, the Russian can knock down all US space satellites. In addition, the Russian army may, within 43 minutes to sink all US carriers.
In addition, the Russian army could very quickly turn the whole territory of the United States radioactive lunar surface of glazed stone.
It is very difficult - bombing the Russians.
Saudi's role is nowhere near Israel's role.
Saudi Arabia has oil we don't really need and that's it.
Israel has international, organized Jewry/Zionism and more money than 50 Saudi Arabias.
Particularly under Obama's regime. You merely don't have, bear in mind, 100% acquiesence to *Likud* Israel. And that "gap" is why people accuse Obama of all sorts of absurdities - losing sight of the 95% convergence.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
Israel before Saudi Arabia.
Easier said than done.
Actually, Benny - no, it is not.
It is fantastically easy.
Russia, you see, has its own "never again" with regard to Zionist Jewish attacks on their motherland.
You know, those "canards" that resist full memory-holing.
What you gonna do about the subs and the buried nukes?
I'm not going to do a thing, Ben. Not really a pro-war guy, whatever my view of Israeli/Jewish power, hypocrisy, etc.
I just think the Russians are about the last people on earth Israel should fuck with, that's all. I'd like to see coups all over the west and israel by saner military people who know what war is. Plenty of good people in Israel - they just seem to not really grasp just what a threat Benjamin N. really is.
EXCLUSIVE : Russia threatens to shoot down Israeli jets over Syria
http://www.darkmoon.me/2015/exclusive-russia-threatens-to-shoot-down-isr...
Parenthetically - all those 'Russian Jews' that have gone to Israel in the past 20 years...
You think they're all Jewish?
Suck it up hasbara
“There is no future for Assad in Syria,” Saudi foreign minister Adel Al-Jubeir"
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Adel Al-Jubeir - who is this? What is relevant to the choice of the people of Syria, a man named Adel Al-Jubeir?
What is relevant to the choice of the people of Syria, people named Obama, Hollande and Cameron?
Who are all these people if we are speaking about for the fate and future of Syria ?!
The fate and future of Syria should be decided only by the people of Syria.
Cameron?? Why does he even speak? Is there not another dead pig for him to fuck?
It is much preferable to the favorite British
elite's pastime of molesting little boys.
What does Nutty Yahoo think of Christian Evangelicals?
https://www.facebook.com/nagdeems/posts/193203527383392?_fb_noscript=1
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm
Hopefully, Russia and Iran will start bombing the Haus of Saud, soon. I've been waiting for this since the 90's.
Bomb those camel jockey fuckers. Put oil right back at $150/barrel, and watch the turd that is the U.S. economy get flushed down the shitter.
In August 2012, the Defense Intelligence Agency warned that Salafists, the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda – all fiercely anti-Shi‘ite – were the main driving forces behind the anti-Assad rebellion, that they were seeking to establish a “Salafist principality in eastern Syria,” and that they were attempting to drum up an anti-Shi‘ite jihad among “the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world,” which is “exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition” – i.e. the West, the Gulf states, and Turkey – “want in order to isolate the Syrian regime.”
In his remarks at the Kennedy School last October, Biden that the Gulf states flooded the Syrian rebels with arms and money because “they were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war.” Sectarianism didn’t just arrive from the sky — rather America and its Gulf allies did their best to nurture and expand it.
Barnard and MacFarquhar go on to say that with Islamic State advancing on Homs and Damascus from the east, “rival insurgents were putting new pressure on the Syrian coastal provinces, where Mr. Assad’s support is strongest. The fighters advancing on that front were not from the Islamic State but from the Army of Conquest, a group that includes an affiliate of Al Qaeda known as the Nusra Front and other Islamist groups, including several more secular groups that have been covertly armed and trained by the United States.”
In other words, U.S.-backed forces are working hand-in-glove with Al Qaeda as they advance on coastal provinces where Syria’s Shi‘ite population is concentrated. They might have added that this is a bloodbath in the making that America and its allies are doing everything to foment. But instead they criticize Putin for trying to stop it.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/10/02/obama-tolerates-the-warmongers/
Saudi's are candy asses, they don't know how to work or fight. Can't wait to see the rats scramble.
Can't we all just get along...Jeeesh
Has WWIII started and nobody noticed?
It already did, two days after the Sochi Olympics Meat.Thats what the historians will say.
They may,or may not be human historians.
You didn't notice, so why would anyone else?
I'll go with December 17, 2010 (props to Baba Vanga). The current MIC authorized narrative bores me, why would the next one be any different...
Actually with McCains tweet to Putin on Dec 5, 2011
"Dear Vlad, The #ArabSpring is coming to a neighborhood near you"
McMoron himself announced it.
Dear Saudi Arabia, you were warned...
http://www.rt.com/news/244373-iran-yemen-saudi-airstrikes/
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921011000510
Right where elitist Albert Pike said it a would in 1871...
However, he was unaware that the internet would exist, and the global economy would be in the state it's in. Watching how Russia and Iran is playing, the game is strategically timed and there is a anti-propaganda counter thread, so trust it will end by winter.
How do you know he did not know?
If you are willing to accept the writings ofn Albert Pike, you are willing to accept a lot of crazy ideas.
Like the prophecy of St. Malachy - Pike's letters were written years after Pike.
It is a fraud.
One thing stretches from 2500 years ago to today and has the power to convert MYTHOS TO ACTION.
Jewish/Pharisaical eschatology.
Checked it. And yap. WWIII has definitely started. I am sorry. Did you contact your relatives? Friends? Family? Time to say goodbye. If WWIII starts, you won't live very long. So maybe you should make a call. Say some nice things.
Anyway, I went to my vault this morning, checked all the systems, did some updates, increased my music library and my collection of ebooks. I figured that I probably will never be able to read all the stuff.
Energy consumption will be a problem. I've also run into other calculations - especially how to generate more water and calories. For now - the vault could stand 3705 days (until November 2025) with normal consumption. About 6630 days (until 2032) with reduced consumption. And about 9204 days (about 2039) with absolute minimal consumption - next to being hungry all the time. This is without any critical error to the main system or the reserve system. Or that the unmarked vault is discovered. The likelyhood of that is about 2 % maybe.
To be honest - 30 years seems to be a good number. 98 % people in my area will be dead by then. Another 1 % is severly ill. The rest could be a problem though. But I figured out that they will have some ammo problems and probably resort to primitive weapons or close-range weapons. I think I can take my chances then. But getting supplies from that moment on will be very depressing. So killing myself is also an option at that point.
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NAAAAAH, just kidding. If a WWIII starts, I am dying like the - like - like you, dear reader. My family discussed the vault at one point in the 60s though. But then never went with it. Instead they built a nice room and had fun.
My pipboy is all I need to survive.
"Anyway, I went to my vault this morning, checked all the systems, did some updates, increased my music library and my collection of ebooks. I figured that I probably will never be able to read all the stuff."
Dear Villah: Will e-books still be readable after TSHTF?
WWIII began in September 11 2001...it's been a slow starter is all...
1913, 1907, 1871... This is only one world war and it has been going on for a very long time. All the shooting and bombing is simply a symptom, not the actual disease.
Take out ISIS, Saudia Arabia and Israel by Christmas. Go Vlad.
“There is no future for Assad in Syria,” Saudi foreign minister Adel Al-Jubeir warned,
Who the heck does this camel jock think he is to criticeze another sovereign leader like this?
Uber hutzpah!
Because he has moar.
And Russia keeps the EU gas monopoly
Winters coming
Mr. Novak, Russian energy minister told the press that Russia won't give Ukraine any loans to buy gas including paying for transit in advance, and Ukraine is several billion cubic meters short of gas for the winter season. If winter turns out to be cold, someone may freeze in Europe.
Gazprom or Novak should tell Ukraine - cash up front and you have to pay an extra 10% fee to DPR or Donbass.
That's what Gazprom did, except the 10% fee for Donbass region. IIRC, since July 2014 Gazprom supplies gas to Ukraine only if Ukraine pays for it upfront. The Donbass region is, AFAIK, supplied directly from Russia, so that Ukrainian government can't cut them off, but Kiev either gets the bill for it or some amount of gas Kiev paid for gets delivered to the Donbass.
Not the whole story. The EU is giving loans for Ukraine's gas. That way Ukraine does not have to syphon off the EU's gas.
Ukraine coped with advance paying for gas last winter.
A bigger problem for Ukraine is the lack of anthracite coal for their electricity generating stations, most of it is the other side of the ceasefire line. Mind you a lot of money is changing hands to move it. The civil war is making a few people quite rich. Russia also supplied them with electricity last year.
There does not seem any inclination in Moscow to break any contract or see their 'brothers' in Ukraine suffer real destitution, that's the role of the IMF, imposing serious energy price increases.
You're right, there's more to it. The main problem is that underground gas storage facilities in Ukraine need to be filled before winter begins and that process takes some time and has to be done during summer, when consumption is lower and gas transportation system is underutilized. AFAIK, carrying capacity of the pipes supplying gas to Ukraine and parts of Eastern Europe is lower than the amount of gas needed, so during winter, Europe gets part of its gas from Ukraine's underground storage facilities, while Ukraine gets its gas directly from the pipe. When those underground facilities are empty or not filled with required volume of gas, a problem arises, someone has to get less gas, as consumption exceeds supply. Should such situation arise, a new gas war between EU, Ukraine and Russia is going to emerge, EU's gonna blame Russia crying "But we paid for it", Ukraine is gonna use that situation to blackmail Russia, and Russia will have to clean up the mess once again. Or, this time, maybe not. No matter what, there's gonna be some serious fingerpointing, Russia is once again going to be blamed for using Gazprom as a weapon despite the fact that Gazprom would love to sell the EU any amount of gas the EU is willing to buy. All the above was the reason why Russia wanted to build South stream, so it could bypass Ukraine which year after year proved to be completely unreliable partner. When the South stream got canceled, Russia was stunned, as it was in EU's interest for that pipeline to be built. By blocking it, EU shot itself in the foot. This winter may prove that Russia's stance on that matter was correct.
The corrupt, criminal, cruel cabal that rules Saudi Arabia should have collapsed years ago. So let them start another war and collapse now. Karma is a bitch. Hope ISIS are pushed into Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
The US has launched 6700 airstrikes on ISIS while the Russians have apparently degraded ISIS in just 60 airstrikes. Was the US dropping care packages and videos made in Langley?
The US and its allies have carried out 6700 airstrikes at an expense of nearly $4 billion in the year since President Barack Obama ordered a campaign against Islamic State. Yet the terror group shows no sign of defeat and has even expanded its reach.
http://www.rt.com/news/314885-isis-usa-anniversary-campaign/
Of course ISIS will be pushed into Saudi Arabia and Turkey, it is called going home for some well deserved R&R.
Yes.
And why does USA think it will escape this? The uber-repression path we're on will accelerate it, not stop it. I guess they're trying to get the language out there in advance, get the public to accept the war on terror coming home. There may be some sensitivity building among the "leaders", recently there seem to have been fewer reports of unarmed mundanes being protect-served to death. But count on their keeping on repressing, because force is the only thing they understand.
I now consider all mass shootings in the US to be false flag events.
I question that narrative. Sure a lot of ISIS fighters are probably true believers but those are the ones who will stand, fight, and be killed (blind pawns). However, seeing this is as much a covert operation as an overt operation then one has to think that the brains of the operation is made up of state operatives or mercenaries. These will not stand, fight, and die but run, re-arm, and redeploy elsewhere (Afghanistan->Stans->Russia or Afghanistan->China?).
+ 1
Blowback can work in many directions.
When you let slip the hounds of war, you always have a hell of a time getting them back on the leash, if at all. The US creation and funding of ISIS is a perfect example.
Fuck em all Putin. Let em taste that Bear Claw.
Does the Doomsday clock have a seconds hand ?
Just wondering.
What exactly would Obozo do if Putin turned the KSA into glass ?
Not much is my guess, lets hope we don't get to find out.
Does the Doomsday clock have a seconds hand ?
Does it have a nanosecond hand?
Threat of wider war mounts as Russia continues airstrikes in SyriaMore prominent are voices calling for an even more reckless US policy of escalation against both Assad and Putin. They speak for powerful sections of the foreign policy and military-intelligence establishment that are implacably hostile to the nuclear deal with Iran and bent on war with Russia and China.
John McCain, the Republican chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, spoke for this faction Wednesday. He declared from the Senate floor, “Into the wreckage of this administration’s Middle East policy has now stepped Putin. As in Ukraine and elsewhere, he perceives the administration’s inaction and caution as weakness, and he is taking advantage.”
On Thursday, McCain told CNN that he could “absolutely confirm” that the initial Russian strikes were “against our Free Syrian Army or groups that have been armed and trained by the CIA…”
McCain is implicitly—and sections of the media are explicitly—pointing to a change in the Pentagon’s rules of engagement in Syria announced by the Obama administration last spring that allows US forces to combat Syrian government forces or any other group or country that attacks US-backed “rebels.” This is meant to put pressure on the White House to initiate attacks not only against Damascus, but also against Moscow.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/02/syri-o02.html
"bent on war with Russia and China" And so speaks "The Jim Jones Chapter of American Diplomacy". Good Night and Good Luck.
If anyone needs to be removed from power its insane McCain. That slobbering jerk's marble bag has been empty for a long time. Most people who lose a Presidential election shut up and fade away.
Has there ever been a bigger asshole than John McCain?
Joseph McCarthy
Abe Lincoln
fu cameron and saudi.. eat shit and die
Give more weapons to Houthies.. this will be good to watch... manpads...
Putin tosses a fat wrench in the Middle East Chaos campaign, the US fueled Saudi degenerates and Co. decide enough is enough...
Bing Bang Boom, in floods the Iranian army as Saud dares to tangle with Russia
Meanwhile, Obama masturbates all over a hairless twink in DC bathouse
Comedy ensuses
If Saudi Arabia attacks Russians forces, I think that will be the end of them.
If they do, I hope Russia sends a whole bunch of cruise missiles onto their nest of evil.
Take out all the palaces, military installations and oil fields.
Saudi would actually do all the other oil producing nations a huge favor if they attacked the Russians. Crude prices would skyrocket as the first Russian missiles hit the Saudi soil.
made this comment 3 times on RCP (Carl Cannon article) this a.m. :
this is a re-re-post of the 2 original comments to this article -which for some mysterious reason have disappeared??????????? :
"reconstitute country's good old days" ? what tripe carl. i guess the political establishment (including MSM/RCP), MIC, et al, have you in their grip also. fact is , this isn't your father's America (FUBAR you might say). if vlad was really of a mind, the American "empire" would be easy pickins.
Saudis killing Shias .... Russkies killing Sunnis .... the best of all worlds .... quit complaining .... just enjoy ?
Sure, go ahead, attack the Russians,
make my day
Looking on the bright side, ISIS has 100,000 fighters so that's a lot of graves to dig.
Should help Caterpillar's sales in the Syraq region for the next couple of months
and those guys need all the help they can get at the moment.
Ozombie thinks the solution to the muslim crisis is moar shovel ready jobs. Well, for a change he's right. These grave digger jobs are the epitome of shovel ready but I think we will have to credit Vlad for this particular mass employment program. In the meantime, I'm of the opinion ISIS towelheads leaving the barbarian workforce will soon approach American rates.
Fate the Magnificent
Push the Button, Max"
Somehow your signature reminds me of Max Fischer, civis mundi.
>>>>>> I'm of the opinion ISIS towelheads leaving the barbarian workforce will soon approach American rates
Not American cities. Europe is much closer.
Short hospitals, wedding parties and baby food factories... The Joy of Precision Bombing.
... don't be surprised if they start hitting baby strollers!
Lord help me if we go to war to help these raghead psychos. Russia, hello? Just nuke SA asap...
That the Sunni clans find the Russian Iran entente a threat to their creationist minded ideology is understandable--to the extent that Turkey has reverted to obscurantist logic and effaced Ataturk's legacy from its current political inclination-- and that Saud and Qatar, as inheritors of the Pax Americana Oil protected legacy, have reverted to the same ideological stance in a regressional spiral that shocks the word-- is one thing ; that the West adheres to this same logic is another. The history of the wahhabist arabs monarchies is diametrically opposed to that of the West in terms of political priorities.
The latter trend, of regression to neo-feudal ideology, is a betrayal of western values that are the bedrocks of our society.
There is no excuse for this regression, now brought out to the open by a Shia theocracy aligned with a autocratic Russia, which make the so called democratic West look like the new Evil Empire.
We are now in a spiral in West that will bring down democracy and replace it by a neo-feudal autocracy that will have nothing to envy the most evil traits of the Spanish Inquisition.
America's elites are as Trump says : a nation of neo-con elites whose mantra breeds --as incarnated by the NRA lobby --psychopathic mad shooters who have the genius of the devil.
Even Putin and Khameini look like moderates!
Thorough viewpoint. One interesting aside is over 95% of the people in Iran and Russia support their leaders' position. I doubt Barry has that percentage of support.
Obomber has a MINUS 95 percent support
VV Putin is a moderate
Russia is not allied with Iran.
That both Russia and Iran perceive that it is in their individual interestes to intervene in Syria does not make them allies.
The only reason that Russia and Iran welcome the others intervention is that it temporarily relieves each of them of the full weight of the financing costs of their respective interventions which would be higher if undertaken alone, and relieves both of some amount of the international political pressures being manifest by the US/Zio powers opposed to their interventions.
Russia and Iran do not share the same goals and will not employ the same methods.
Any appearance of mutual support is tangenital and temporary. It will dissipate rapidly when their true divergent interests become apparent in due course and as their opportunities in the Trans-Syrian theater evolves.
Likely the two will immediately become opponents in Syria as other forces are ejected from the theater in much the same manner as Russia and the British/US did in Germany when Berlin fell at the end of the WW2.
What I do not think is being spoken of publicly is the fact that Iraq is effectively being carved up while the focus is on Syria.
I do not think Iraq will exist, or certainly will not exist with the same territorial boundaries, when the Trans-Syrian ( Great Sunni/Shia ) War is concluded.
Nations do not have allies, only interests. Both Russia and Iran share the same common enemy and that is the JFE (Jewish Financial Empire) that owns and runs the West using subterfuge and guile. By locating substantial convential forces on Israel's border including Russian nuclear subs in the Med close to Syria, Russia and Iran have completely turned around the dynamic. In fighting a man with a knife, you must not only go for the hand that holds the weapon, but also go for his head with a hard object the next instant, in order to force the knife weilder to now turn to defend rather than attack and thus allow an instant to take the knife away. Russia and Iran have brilliantly done this in Syria and now they ares sticking their foot on Israel's neck and slowly pressing down in order to force Israel to remove the knife the JFE is holding in the Ukraine which is aimed at Russia
The NRA lobby doesn't breed demonic shooters, moron. Just because you have been neutered, don't make your impotent gnashings sound high minded by comparing our self defense freedoms to the psychopaths in charge.
Russia and Syria should merge the Kurdish Republics in Syria and Iraq in return for them holding Turkey at bay and carving out huge sections of Turkey to expand their state. That way a Kurdish state would exist with Russian protection and Iranian toleration to carve out huge swathes of Turkey
I would guess Kurdish leaders are doing everything they can to get an audience in the Kremlin about now. This is their best chance ever at an independent Kurdistan, protected by Iran and Russia. There won't ever be a better moment for them. The US has been using them as we used the Hmong in Laos in the Vietnam War. Time for the Kurds to get out of the firing line and into an arrangement with local regional powers who will actually pay them in the coin of their choosing in return for their services.
I don't think Saudi Arabia can do anything more than transfer some ancient handheld anti-arcraft missiles to their Syrian proxies, through third-parties. I can't imagine the Saudis openly attacking the Russians. I doubt they'd ship anything directly traceable back to them.
For some reason, nobody in the US-Saudi-Turkish-Israeli nexus thought Russia would actually intervene. I don't know why. Russia went to the mat over Syria a few years back when Obama, fresh off the triumph of turning Libya into a dumpster fire, shipped the same mercenaries who did the Gadhafi hit-job to Syria, freshly re-armed. Remember, those guys' presence was the real reason for the Benghazi fiasco; a fact HRC and the Obama Administration can't speak out loud and the GOP knows full well, making Benghazi the perfect political football.
But if you look at the atlas, and at Russian behavior since the 1970s, it's pretty obvious why they aren't going to tolerate radical insane Sunni mercenary armies running around in their backyard. In Syria, different from Ukraine, the local recognized government can invite them in. Now it looks like the local recognized government in Iraq has invited them in, too.
The US strategy of sparking and fueling a Sunni vs. Shi'a world sectarian war has taken a brutal hit. The Shi'a are in the extreme minority of Islam, but not in the Middle East, between Iran and the Mediterranean.
The Saudis will whine and cry, but not do much. Israel is going to get real quiet. I'd guess the US will cut bait on their proxies. But I'm keeping an eye on the Uighurs in China's Xinjiang Province, and the various -Stan nations. It will take a little while, but I'm guessing there will be "Mysterious", "Spontaneous" uprisings of extremist Sunni violence there. And "Mysterious" newcomers with beards and Saudi accents.
The sunni uighurs in China have perpetrated their tearrism on China so it's no surprise to me China may enter this conflict on the shia side.
At least 18 people killed in knife and bomb attack by Chinese Muslimshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3137211/At-18-people-killed-knif...
Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train stationhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/
All this crap really ramped up about the time Libya was destroyed by NATO. Civilian deaths certainly have soared from 2011 to now.
Not saying there is a coincidence with respect to Libya being destroyed , but I can't help but think there is some link between liberated Libyan weapon staches and the accelerated actions of the various iterations of Syrian Rebels and re-labeled Terrorists in Syria. Syrian People have subsequently suffered. Infrastructure has been destroyed, Syria risks a future as a failed state (ala Libya) if overrun. I am sure Syria can take some comfort in knowiing that Libya got a new Central Bank as NATO munitions were still landing.)
Hopefully Policies of other players in the Syrian mess don't adopt the in for a penny , in for a pound approach to this debacle.... but I have my doubts.
Islam needs to get itself together if there is ever to be peace in the Middle East.
Pigs will probably fly first.
It's not a "coincidence" at all. It is a direct result of the continuation of the same exact strategy and process.
Iran has done this before. There is a reason why West never again managed to get back into Iran for another coup. Now that the opportunity has opened up, Iran won't let this one pass.
wow...you guys should write for the jew york times or cnn or something.
ZH is like reading actual adult newsand commentary. No further need for that ol' usa today subscription
I cant help but to wonder why do the saudis care either way. They all could vacate their compounds and flee to their Swiss mansions. Its not like the Royal family cares about anything beyond hookers and blow.
Because the fall of Saudi Arabia will lead to the fall of Israel and the defeat of Sabbatai Zevi's messianic vision for a Middle East run by his Donmeh crypto-Jews.
Russians fly drones by day... then roast them at night... hard to hit a jet at night with what these asshole fake ISIS have..
Chinese have lots of cheap arms for Houthies... the good play here is that Houthies go on the offensive in Saudi... make em sweat. More arms for Houties... high tech ones too then Saudi will be begging for US airpower. Weaken Saudi
This could all be over in 24 hrs without blood shed...
Close ZIONIST Wall st with a huge power outage & slam an EMP over ZIONIST israel... Job done, the rest will run like the cowards they are
Failing that cluster bomb them like they did to palestine & just keep pouring them on it until its dust... payback for what the JEWS did to Germany!
F*ck the zionists....
+1000
Don't forget white phosphorus, you know how much Jews love to commit war crimes against women and children.
https://youtu.be/BfcHVBIyJyA?t=20First you have to take out all the ICBMs, israeli nuclear subs and buried nukes. Godspeed.
Deterrence, google the term.
So the genocidal pyschopaths of Israel who think they are better than other human beings have nukes but bitch about Iran getting them. Iran hasn't attacked anyone in centuries.
Iran is righteous in arming Hezbollah. If not for Hezbollah and Israelis terrorists would have stolen Lebanon years ago.
BTW, KIKE boy, I support Hezbollah
You are on record cheering for the deaths of those in the Oregon campus. Drop the humanitarian bullshit.
You are not supporting Hezbolla, or anything. You are a loser on the internet. Hezbollah doesnt even know you exist.
I said thats 10 Americans that won't be waging wars of aggression. You call that cheering?
You said "Fuck them, no one cares". Go ahead and erase your post.
Thats right, fuck em , no one cares.
Now piss off KIKE roach
You speak as a jihadist terrorist would speak, except most of those are way more clever than you will ever be.
That's because your IQ is at least 20 points lower than Abu Abdullah al-Amriki's. Who probably has you on retainer.
pardon, then you conclude hezbollah do not view ZH?
you mistaked
From Benjamin:
You are on record cheering for the deaths of those in the Oregon campus. Drop the humanitarian bullshit.
Meanwhile, when I recommend the actual fix of sovereign money, which is humanitarian, Benjamin and others are silent. Crickets.
Sovereign money allows countries to convert their money type to a "wealth base" instead of credit base.
It is a fact, that Jewery makes it usury on private credit as money. This usury then is THE MONEY POWER. ok. NO question about it.
Nothing at all happens without this money power. Take away the ability to earn money on money, and the tribe has been defanged to a large degree.
Usury on Capital, or in this case banker credit, is a siphoning away of labor energy of energetic populations toward parasitism.
The parasite cannot, and I repeat, cannot live when countries have their own wealth based sovereign money.
This is a real humanitarian fix to world's shitstorm. Fix money. Certainly ZH denizens have enough IQ digits to understand this point, or do you?
Sovereign money can be implemented overnight when a majority of Parliamentarians or Congressmen vote it into being. It would be a bloodless coup.
People who are users of money would go to bed one night, and wake up the next morning, and not really know what happened. Their money type will have morphed from being private bank credit, to being wealth - and this wealth would be scientifically volume and channel controlled to match goods/services production.
www.sovereignmoney.eu
Deterrence from people stopping them stealing more land?
Among other things, but mostly deterrence againt the destruction of Isreal, which you often call for.
If it happens it happens, but half the world goes with Israel. This is not an issue of bitching, its what would happen.
Nothing wrong with Israel. But they must be scaled down to the little country they are in reality.
And be quiet when the grown ups talk.
Its an unfair world. People are fixated on Israel in the most hypocritical matter while drams 100-fold bigger are absolutely ignored.
Israel is a symbol of what westerners hate, and nothing but a symbol.
Israel is a symbol of zionist aggressions.
Ask a Palestinian.
Ask anyone who is not a palestinian.
Pretty much the whole world despises Israel except for America's Christian Zionists, who also pray for its destruction but only AFTER Jesus returns.
And what does it have to do with palestinians?
Huge tragedies go on everywhere but only palestinians are worthy of pity.
I only regret that I have but one down arrow to give you.
He's a Jew himself. Benjamin as a name is hinting it a lot...probably double citizen with too much time to be trolling this otherwise great comment section.
no country receives more $ than israel
no country [apart from the US] kills more civilians
no country has international Jewish lobbies demanding money be given to a nuclear rogue apartheid state.
Your whining is really only motivated by a desire to protect Israel from any criticism at all.
it's more than a symbol - its largely why the US has been embroiled in wars and attacked by terrorists.
High-Level American Intelligence and Counterterror Officials: Islamic Terror Is Motivated by U.S. Support for Tyrants in the Middle East and U.S. Support for Israel
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/head-cia-unit-tasked-killing-bin-...
Shining Light on Roots of Terrorism
"For reasons that are painfully obvious, the FCM have done their best to ignore or bury the role that Israel’s repression of the Palestinians has played in motivating the 9/11 attacks and other anti-Western terrorism.
It is not like there is no evidence on this key issue. Rather, it appears that the Israel-Palestine connection is pretty much kept off limits for discussion.
Yet, as Sheikh Mohammed and the other alleged 9/11 conspirators go to trial, the FCM's tacit but tight embargo will be under great strain. Eyes will have to be averted from the sensitive Israeli-Palestinian motive even more than from torture, which most Americans know about (and, God help us, are willing to explain away).
...
But Cheney also slipped up in the speech, presumably because he had lost his best speechwriters upon leaving office. He inadvertently acknowledged the Israeli albatross hanging around the neck of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
“They [terrorists] have never lacked for grievances against the United States. Our belief in freedom of speech and religion … our belief in equal rights for women … our support for Israel… — these are the true sources of resentment,” Cheney said.
Yet “our support for Israel” is hardly ever included in these formulations, but Cheney at least got that part right.
Rarely in the FCM – and not even often on the Web – does one find Sheikh Mohammed’s explanation for what motivated him to “mastermind” 9/11. Apparently, few pundits have made it as far as page 147 of the 9/11 Commission Report.
..."
https://consortiumnews.com/2009/111509a.html
Israel will be destroyed by it's own hubris. The Ultra Orthodx have teh fastest population growth rate; the men study religous crap all day and look down upon working. The men think they have the right to have nearly unlimited children whom they can't support and can't educate properly. They spit on secular Jewish women and harrass secular Jewish men. The think they are the 'most chosen' amongst the 'chosen'. Israel needs lebenstraum and that is why this war in the ME is going on, but now Russia has put their foot down literaly on Israel's neck and they can't expand to the north anymore. What are they going to do when Saudi Arabia goes bankrupt and a coup happens?
Israel is not self sufficient like Russia and relies on trade; it relies on having a growing economy in order to attract idiots from all over world to move there. The first thing that will happen is that the US military will insist that the government back off from supporting Israel the way it has because to do so risks putting the US in direct confrontation with Russia. Israel will not seem to be a safe place to invest. And there will be rising costs for foodstuffs and the BDS movment increases due to increaing repression and killing of the Palestinians
Don't worry, that is the plan. The nukes will be taken out, and then Israel is literally toast.
Deterrence isn't killing innocent people all over the map because you are attacked by some specific enemy.
And by the way - Israel is surely alot more easily destroyed than Russia.
Of course, under your veneer of fairness - you never allow that people have a right to protect themselves from Israel and organized Jewry.
Of course, when all criticism is "anti-Semitism" you never have to examine your own behavior, and you're always just "defending" yourself.
We may reach a point where people are so sick of Anglo-Zionist aggression destroying Israel and salting the earth of every part of it, so to speak, is more alluring than a planet on which Zionist Jews perpetually murder in the hundreds of thousands, perpetually try to control the world and its media and banking.
Russia has its own "never again" - you'd be wise not to test them.
Only 3 targets need to be hit hard. Jedda, Dharhan, and Riyadh. and perhaps a tactical nuke on Mecca.
Mecca would be dumb.
Why piss off EVERY moslem in the world, when most would be happy to see the rulers of
the KSA gone ?
None like the lock the royals have on who enters for Haj.Moslems are not a monolitic
block whatever you may believe.
Yes, you are right, scratch Mecca then.
Dumbass.
Tell us again what happens saturday night in Israel.
Oh, you mean the Jew pig bastards sodomizing children and each other? (children must be over 3 as per their Talmud) Read it your self.
On what page?
Look it up yourself, asswipe.