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US Claims Malfunctioning Russian Cruise Missiles Hit Iran; Moscow, Tehran Both Deny
The past seven days have brought a wave of competing propaganda from both Washington and Moscow as both East and West scramble to shape the narrative on Syria where Russia’s “intervention” has apparently turned the tide in favor of Damascus, completely destroying the anti-Assad strategy of the Pentagon’s regional allies.
It’s absolutely imperative for everyone to do their best to maintain the public’s trust here. This is how we put it on Wednesday:
The West cannot afford to stand by and watch Russia do in a matter of weeks what the US has failed to accomplish in 13 months. Put simply: if Moscow declares victory over ISIS within the next month or two (and that appears as likely as not), Washington will be left to explain to a bewildered public what just happened. To the uninitiated, it will appear as though Russia’s military is far superior to the US Army when it comes to fighting terror and on top of that, Iran’s now well publicized role will not only cast further doubt on the nuclear deal, but will also raise questions about the contention that Tehran is committed to financing and exporting terror.
For Russia, the powerplay in Syria represents nothing short of a return to the world stage after decades of flying below the radar as a second rate superpower. Putin has now proven that Moscow can project its influence with virtual impunity and as Monday’s “accidental” violation of Turkish airspace suggests, The Kremlin is getting more brave by the day in the face of what certainly looks like a de facto surrender by the West.
Well, it now looks as though, lacking anything in the way of options, the US is set to try and sow discord between Russia and Iran by highlighting the following “story”:
- MISSILES MEANT FOR SYRIA LANDED IN RURAL IRAN: DEFENSE OFFICIAL
- FOUR RUSSIAN CRUISE MISSILES LANDED IN IRAN, U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS
- U.S BELIEVES FOUR RUSSIAN CRUISE MISSILES FIRED AT SYRIA FROM RUSSIAN SHIP CRASHED IN IRAN -U.S. OFFICIALS
- MISSILES MEANT FOR SYRIA LANDED IN RURAL IRAN: DEFENSE OFFICIAL
And here’s CNN:
A number of cruise missiles launched from a Russian ship and aimed at targets in Syria have crashed in Iran, two U.S. officials told CNN Thursday.
Monitoring by U.S. military and intelligence assets has concluded that at least four missiles crashed as they flew over Iran. One official said there may be casualties, but another official said this is not yet known.
It's unclear where in Iran the missiles landed. The Russian ships have been positioned in the south Caspian Sea, meaning the likely flight path for missiles into Syria would cross over both Iran and Iraq.
The Russians have been firing a relatively new cruise missile called "Kaliber," using it for the first time in combat.
Note that we are not denying the possibility that some Russian cruise missles might have accidentally landed in Iran. That very well could be the case. But if it is, here's why: Moscow just fired up a military juggernaut that's been parked in the garage for nearly three decades and so yeah, it's entirely possibly that there will be a few hiccups and tragically, those hiccups will probably result in the loss of innocent lives. There's no sugar coating that.
But if this is an effort on the part of the Pentagon to create tension between Moscow and Tehran it won't work.
Understand that this would be like attempting to sow conflict between the US and Canada by drawing attention to US missles that accidentally hit Alberta on the way to targets in Alaska where militants were attempting to invade North America. In other words: Tehran isn't going to care about this and the sooner Washington, Doha, and Riyadh decide to get serious about developing a real strategy here, the better off they'll look in the history books because suggesting that Russian jets are about to bomb Ankara and/or that Russia shouldn't fire cruise missiles at militants because one or two might malfunction on the flight over Iran hardly counts as a credible "plan" and indeed, this isn't exactly the best time for the US to be pointing fingers when it comes to collateral damage.
Oh, and by the way, both Russia and Iran say these reports are entirely bogus. Via Sputnik:
Iranian defense ministry believes reports on "fallen Russian cruise missiles" are part of the intensified western propaganda war, according to a source.
Tehran denies US reports that four of Russia's cruise missiles targeting ISIL actually fell to the ground in Iran, with the country's defense ministry calling the accusations "psychological war."
Russia's Defense Ministry denies US media reports of an alleged incident involving cruise missiles which were fired at ISIL positions in Syria on October 7, stating that all missiles hit their designated targets.
"No matter how unpleasant and unexpected for our colleagues in the Pentagon and Langley was yesterday's high-precision strike on Islamic State infrastructure in Syria, the fact remains that all missiles launched from our ships have found their targets," ministry's spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.
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If this is an attempt to make Russia look incompetent, it won't work.
Who's making decisions about all the bullshit and terrorism emanating from the pentagon? It sure isn't douchbama, who's too busy watching myth busters and playing golf. But somebody made the decision to bomb that hospital in Afghanistan.
White House still ignores murder of American reporter Serena Shim who filmed western aid to ISIS February 27, 2015
1 year anniversary of her death. October 19
Yes - Vale Serena - you were brave and gorgeous .
That's how they murdered General Patton. With the smoke of a 'car accident' they then make sure you get 'special' medical care. Tragically, the patient always dies.
The evil creatures who do this only get away with it time and again because the general populace is a vapid self-worshiping gaggle of people who on some level choose to believe or go with the lie du jour.
Of course today I'd wager that about 40% are solidly brain dead- possibly more.
CNN's Chris Cuomo was last seen sprinting down 6th Avenue yelling "barrell bombs!!"
Reminds of summer 2014 ukrops claims of Kiev strafing by Russian flying saucers and stukas jet propelled.
Pathetic propaganda from a nation with zero credibility. LOL.
The Penatgon knows a wee bit about getting tagged by a cruise missile.
They know plenty about them. It's just getting them on camera that's the problem!
"The mistaken bombing, launched from a Russian warship in the Caspian Sea, was first reported by CNN, which received the information from two unnamed U.S. officials."
Credible sources, no doubt.
Must have passed a background check, even if he is the janitor at the white hut.
The Un-named officials were given the proof in a Kinko's parking lot, then they burned it.
the information from two unnamed U.S. officials
Breaking news, the officials names were Huey and Louie.
Remember when CNN's Carol Costello was reporting --- for 3 days --- that scam originating from Ukraine on some super-hifalutin uber-tech magnetic resonance device that put the missing MH370 in the Bay of Bengal?
Now, if they could track those cruise missiles to Iran, they should have been able to figure out the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3keULhBlQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3keULhBlQc&t=2m12s
Why is American saying this instead of Iran?
Good call.
Looks like Iran says this did not happen http://sputniknews.com/world/20151008/1028231635/iran-russia-isil-missil...
Because back around 2000-2002, a high ranking member of the Defense Intelligence Agency (Chris Mellon of the fabulously wealthy Mellon family --- as in Andrew Mellon, the dood who brought the Great Depression to Amerika) "leaked" that Iran has nukes, and now nobody believes anything that America says.
If Iran said it, we'd believe them . . .
Cruise missiles usually have a self destruction system if they fail to reach the designated target. Just like any modern weapon system.
But if this is an effort on the part of the Pentagon to create tension between Moscow and Tehran it won't work.
^^^
full disclosure, im an american. that being said, i completely agree with this statement. makes zero sense for russia to want to hit iran. iran knows it. hell, russia is clearing the road so iran can get their troops in there & clean the place out. again, as an american, i give putin credit for what he's doing. at least someones got the fucking balls to do something with all these rats running around chopping peoples heads off & trying to overthrow leaders of sovereign countries.
furthermore obama & earnest look like absolute tools. we have an extremely capable & lethal military & obama has IT parked in the garage while he talks about what he'd LIKE to have happen ALL THE WHILE putin is putin his $$$, troops, and lets not forget RISKING HIS CITIZENS lives (HIS country is ALOT closer to the middle east than ours). he's whacking anything that moves carrying a weapon in syria & has said he'll hit iraq if asked.
imagine an american president with the stomach to admit they're wrong (since we have NO strategy and haven't) and actually sit down with putin, have our pentagon & their defense ministers sit down, and actually WORK TOGETHER ON THIS. it would be over in about 20 minutes between our 2 militaries.
You don't get it. We do have a strategy. It's to create terror organizations to justify the TSA, NSA, DHS, and all the other bullshit going on in this country, including turning it into a police state to keep. Our citizens "safe". They're gonna need a bigger false flag now to keep up the ruse.
One could only hope that an unintended consequence of Putins actions is for Americans to see the what a farce security is in their country and do something about it.
The US borders are wide open. They spend $2 trillion for national defense. What a joke.
Is there anyone over the age of 12 who still believes anything US Officials say anymore?
Yes. The million or so morons that still watch CNN for their news.
In 2014, CNN and CBS News viewership dropped by half -- and in 2015, it is still dropping . . .
I don't believe one fucking word that comes from either the government or our MSM which is now overseen by the CIA, as recently exposed by wikileaks. Thirty five minutes after the Malaysian airline crash in Ukraine, Barry Soetero was on MSM telling people that Putin and Russia did it. This is coming from the same intelligence group that took 11 years to find one saudi boogeyman, obama bin laden.,..sorry osama bin laden who was watching porno in Pakistan.
Russia could have found him in 11 hours.
Shortly after 911. the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial. The US rejected the deal. That would have been a very interesting trial.
The US also rejected a RUssian proposal to deal with Assad shortly after the unrest in Syria began. WHatever the problem, the US wants war.
Hold on a second now. . . .I always watch porn in Pakistan!
sadly, yes. also, most kids 12 and younger are much smarter than our most talented fellow sheep-izens here in freedom land.
Nearly ~30 millions in Ukraine. That's why it will burn in Hell 'til last one will freezed.
At the age of 12 I laughed at the kill ratio of our F-86 Sabres over the Mig 15 of 14-1 over North Korea!
Russia is on a roll - the US and the MIC is deparate to do something to try to cut down the perception that the Russian mililtary is now World-superpower class, and reignite the meme that American military equipment is "better" even if its three (four? five?) times as expensive...
After all, it wouldn't do at all if the US client states start buying Russian gear.
If you do the math though, assuming of 30 cruise missiles fired, 4 failed, that is still 26 cruise missiles that hit their target for the price of 10 American cruise missiles (some of which could just as easily have failed) - and this with a new class weapon.
The key to take away from the cruise missiles fired from the Caspian Sea isn't that some failed, its that they were fired from so far away and got the job done.
I wonder what was the failure rate of the first tomahawks were during GWI ?? Success rate certainly wasn't 100%.
Yea, I'm actually pretty damn impressed with their accuracy as well. Even 26/30 finding their targets would be a good rate of success.
The MIC spokespeople/propagandists just sound like clowns these days. Amazingly, it gets worse and worse.
Here is a missfire of one of the missles in front of the great leader himself, on a demonstration for the public. You usually pick your finest and most aminted vessel for such displays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeGCEDSh1FI
That is as bad as pulling the F-35 from an airshow because it's engines catch on fire.
Speaking of that F-35, the air cannon on that thing won't be ready until 2019, according to the Pentagon.
2019. . . .
Not enough Vodka fuel.
Looks like a dud from N. Korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CPlMcF2N7U
Yes, it did fail, but when you put up a video from "Euromaidan PR" channel, you lose all credibility automatically.
And they said that without any proof as always.
Such pityful they looking today. Gosh, that's awkward as drunk Yeltzin.
Where is the U.S.S. Enterprise when you need her?!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tciPmfpANzY
That one didn't work out too well when there weren't any "volunteers"!!!!
Rod Of God takes down missile.... conspiracy theory's in 3...2....
The U.S. only mistakingly bombs hospitals.
The US bombed a Chinese Embassy in Bosnia in the 1990s. Said it was "outdated maps".
They still hasn't updated them probably. What a shame.
The Chinese Embassy was in Belgrade
French embassy under Reagan when bombing Tripoli, Libya.
I am sure none of the US shit has ever backfired.
Sorry MIC/Obama , They only hit empty desert and NOT A FREAKIN HOSPITAL.
If any cruise missiles are actually raining down on Iran it'd be US ones, not Russian - and I'll believe it when it's the Iranians making the call - not the Zio mouthpieces in the US.
Maybe it is true but nowhere did i find those news and CNN is not known for its veracity.
You mean like that broadcast from Saudi Arabia during the
Gulf War where the reporters were pretending to be in the danger zone but in reality were in front of a blue screen?
The US claimed what? A dodgy missile went haywire? 'Claimed'?
I 'Claim' to have a twelve inch cock, now fucking prove it.
This is low, but as we all know here, we can go a lot lower than this. 'Claimed'?
Go fuck yourselves you panicking pieces of fucking shit.
Cunts
;-)
Unnamed officials cunts deserving severe tattie peeler treatment administered expertly by English comrade.
;-)
Correct BB, I am the man you need for a job just like that.
Give me a tinkle, I am here all day, if you know what I mean...
:-)
Man oh man, to go through life while being so small, you have my deepest sympathies.
I, on the other hand, am always being nicknamed by my girlfriends as Godzilla!
That's some bad breath there buddy.
When the realities of collapsing financial market(s) merge with unplanned "pretext(s)" for war!...
And that is all the United States of America has left!!!
And there were WMDs in Iraq!
Today I learned that missles "crash."
what about the missle the blew up the hospital... got any intel on that USA?
still under "investigation"
We' ve got to investigate that by our in house committee until the sheepie forget!
Tom Clancy's death was faked - now he works for the AP.
so the russian cruise missles hit syria killing civies and now they crashed....i call bullshit. i could just as well say they hit the moon. the fed gov just shits propaganda all fucking day....
The claim that they claimed that they "hit" Iran is by ZH only. (It's what you do in the tabloid business.) An exaggeration of a simple uncited observation that some of their cutting-edge missiles went astray which of course is to be expected.
You have the logic of a moron, failed to achieve the 11 classes of school.
I know reading is hard, but did you you read the part where both Tehran and Russia denied the fact that any missiles went astray?
It wasn't joined up writing Doc, so spelling it out letter by letter should have been within his
capabilities, him being special and all.
Tehran isn't denying they're simply saying they have no evidence. Irna news has said maybe something crashed. But keep your head in the sand as you're looking in the right place.
It's a big story on CIA start-up Al Jeezera this evening.
Funny they can track low flying missiles from the Caspian ......but not high flying jumbo jets over Ukraine
"hey Iran they blew up your dirt"
Seriously that's our strategy?
And funny how it took 11 years to find one fucking saudi boogeyman watching porno in his Pakistan bedroom!
Took a looong time to defrost his corpse.
The US had a plane crash on takeoff in Afghanistan the other day before the US blew the crap out of a hospital. Maybe ISIS had a base in rural Iran and the missiles were targeting that area on purpose.
Sending in cavalry (akin to Air power) for shock effect without being supported by infantry is a formula that has led to many military failures. Was this deliberate on the US part? A strategic decision beyond the military? If the regional intelligence agencies created and backed Daesh/ISIS, then air power only provided containment.
It appears Russia is combining a true combined arms push to eradicate the 'rebels'. Now the US risks 'losing' Syria, Iraq and Iran with Russia and Iran exerting influence and potentially enveloping the Saudis. The dictatorship in KSA could be shaky too. Who in the west wants to fight a war to protect dictators again?
Iran firing missiles at Moscow would be the highlight of the day.
Hmmm... you don't suppose these missiles can evade "NATO" sensors???
They "dissappear" somwhere over Iran???
Can we count the hits in Syria and compare???
No. That would make the US look even more stupid.
They can spy on me in my backyard from satellites in space, but we have no pics of missiles blowing up?
That's funny even if it is more made up bullshit. This shit ain't even a week old yet and it's ALL happend already. I can't wait for next week. heh
A large wad of bullshit that was launched from the Pentagon is reported to have crashed and burned before it ever left the building.
+100 Hilarious
That is good news.
The next missiles could land in Istambul or Ankara etc.
Russia don't need to explain.
Just missile malfunction as US reported before that landed in Iran. Accident.
Has NATO already vowed to protect Iran?
Maybe one needs to malfunction and hit Washington.
that one will probably be megatons and not malfunction
It's getting desperate (and pathetic) out there...
Goebbels,Lord Haw Haw history may not necessarily repeat,but it sure rhymes
These guys are nothing like Goebbels.
Goebbels had stile.
Who will protect the Iranian desert?
Must protect Iran!
The fucking student interns who run the pentagon don't even try hard any more.
Hey, wait a sec, it's the student interns who do all the work!
Define Hypocrisy.
Americans:"Its disgraceful the Russians sent some cruise missiles that caused collateral damage"
Secondly-
If Edward Snowden or Julian Assange announce this type of thing its treason but when the US Govt releases it its "information."
If our government said it, it is a lie. It's their specialty
Which NATO member government are you referring to?
There is only one (of mattering status)...
Epic trolling by the Russians. Konashenkov's statement, that is.
The US propaganda I starting to look more and more like it's being written by petulant children. Meanwhile Russia seems calm, mature, and just plain rational in comparison, no matter what the truth is.
Children with congenital hypothyroidism.
Childhood iodine deficiency in US somehow leads to political career.
Edward Bernays applauds from the grave.
The U.S. should ask permission from Iran to 'inspect' the Russian missiles that crashed in Iran - then 21 days from now, we will know the truth!
I heard some one[DoD] snapped a picture of Brian Williams smoking a stogie, while riding atop one of those errant cruise missiles.
Ooo that gives me an idea. If Williams would really like to make an explosive comeback why not MSNBS send him to Damascus! He's pretty ballsy for a Fairfield County yuppie no?
Its like two 7 year olds where one says my dad is smarter than your dad....and the other says no he isnt..my dad is smarter...oh yeah...yeah...lol...so I guess the next thing for Russia to do is to hit US targets and say..see...I told you they work...na na na na na
Maybe less to sow discord between Moscow/Tehran than to try to make the Russian attack look less awesome to the US sheep.
As in..."Wow did you see those Russian missiles take off!?"...."yeah but you know that at least 4 of them never reached the target because..well because they're Russian missiles and not safe and accurate US missiles".
So the US can track 4 Russia missiles launched no where near any US assets, crossing over a land with no U.S. assets -- but the US cannot track Malaysian airliner flying over a closely monitored country, blanketed with satellite coverage, while U.S. military assets were engaging in exercises nearby?
Yep, you can also read the Warren report. Or how 9/11 came to be. And the weapons of mass destruction of Saddam Houssein and Khadaffi. The "peaceful" works of Mandela ( blowing up night clubs and shopping malls ).
I'm surprised the US military didn't claim these rogue missiles fell on a hospital or wedding party.
Maybe that revelation comes in chapter two of the story.....
> FOUR RUSSIAN CRUISE MISSILES LANDED IN IRAN, U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS
Oh well, if a U.S. Official says so then we can be reasonably sure it is fiction.
as we all know.. the comments are as entertaining and informative as the content.. for both whats said and not said.. i mostly just consume and rarely comment.. any way, i like to browse npr.org to gauge the temperature of the control freaks.. what has begun to concern me is that.. those npr commenters are starting to jump ship.. which may signify a complete breakdown of control from our real control freak masters.. and the need for desperate measures on their part.. but whats even more concerning are those wide eyed kool-adie snorters still clamoring to carry out dear leaders nut sack around like their own baby..
if you dont read npr.. well do what ever you wish.. i'll leave every one with a very invocative talk by all watts on carl young.. its in relation to the illusion of division.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX_P9jav4W0
Wow....you are right. There is a lot of blow back and arguing there. I won't be joining them, however, as you have to register with "Disqus", an aggregator of your information for web sites around the world. In other words, all the comments you make anywhere across the web, all rolled up into one little organized cache.
How many h1B Indians do the Russians have working for them?
Nonsequitur.
H1B is pindostan construct.
last time when we have use missiles. we have destrois one hospital. 30 deads for the hopital side and zero for djiadiste.
Amazing how the US can track a cruise missile so accurately at near ground level, right to where it went, while they totally fail at tracking or having any information about missing or shot down airliners full of cilvilians. This was posted here, but worth repeating. I just don't get it. You'd think civilian lives don't matter. Oh, wait...
They can.
It is exactly like you tracking a baseball thrown to you by one of your friends. When playing catch you can easily make all the star catches.
But when instead you tend the barbeque and the ball strikes you unexpectedly, you turn to see your friends giggling, each pointing at the other saying 'he did it'.
Radar can let you ballistically track objects with amazing clarity. But the greater the clarity, necessarily the narrower the field of view. It is basic doppler physics.
I was following you until you said "doppler physics" and lost all credibility.
Doppler physics let you determine which direction something is traveling based on the expansion or compression of wavelengths.
Whether you are paying attention or not and the density of tracking assets makes a difference though... as you stated.
https://www.rt.com/usa/318054-ndaa-syria-isis-ukraine/
The cost is no big deal -really. Just paper money we can print up and debt we can burden the next generation of average Americans with. What's imprtant is that the rich make current profits. That supports the stock market and enriches Wall Street.
The cost is no big deal -really. Just paper money we can print up and debt we can burden the next generation of average Americans with. What's imprtant is that the rich make
The cost is no big deal -really. Just paper money we can print up and debt we can burden the next generation of average Americans with. What's imprtant is that the rich make
The cost is no big deal -really. Just paper money we can print up and debt we can burden the next generation of average Americans with. What's imprtant is that the rich make
The cost is no big deal -really. Just paper money we can print up and debt we can burden the next generation of average Americans with. What's imprtant is that the rich make
This is the best ameriKan low grade spooks can come up with!
Does that mean no ameriKan equipment fails,,,, if so, then how is Langley gonna lie about that hospital they demolished in Afghanistan.
Well lets face it, if the rockets did go down, can anyone picture a scenario where the US wouldn't actually mention it? Lets just brush that one under the carpet, cruise missiles falling out of the sky is not a news item, I mean who gives a fuck right?
Uncle, you're a magical coat.
The issue isn't whether the US can track a flying object in an area that it is actively observing.
The issue is why would the US complain about a missile impacting Iran if Iran isn't?
Respect for borders and boundaries is the soul of respect for property, and for each other.
Oblamo the 80's want their foreign policy back. You and your liberal laughing fools are the bitch now.
Maybe the errant missiles were actually LAUNCHED from Iran and somebody in a Pentagon briefing meeting accidently played the video backward.
And my Russian friends have now encircled the entire region with at least the formidable S-300 weapon system, to which we know of.
What happens if the entire region is covered not just by S-300 ballistic missiles but S-400 and S-500 systems? Where does that leave 'Samson'?
See what I just did there? You see what my Russian friends just did there? Or am I really your friend, and are the Russians, and dear me, what would happen just in case the 'Chosen' had to do it themselves?
Check, Mate. Or Not.
Dear me, oh deary me.
;-)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm2kamyoe-M
Putin has got their bollocks in a vice mix.
He set a giant elephant trap and just bided his time until the Iran deal was sealed.
Kerry and Obozo just waltzed right into it, being so intellectually superior, in their
own minds. to everyone else.He used their narcissism against them.
I love it when a plan comes together.
Another fine mess they've got themselves in.
Wait until people here in the US realize that we are being completely embarrased every time our turds go up against their turds.
i'd rather have their statesman turd ,than our ordinary turds.
Neither type of turd if I could, but it seems hairless apes prefer to be led, and I'm just one of too many.
Russia and Iran are going to squabble when it's all said and done. Rumor is that Assad wanted Russia involved now because Iran was getting a little aggressive in staking claim to places in Syria, including setting up broad Shia education centers.
That sounds more like our wishful thinking... Same category as China will invade Siberia eventually...
Here is the worst part for the US government.
If ISIS is defeated in Syria and Iraq and it was Russia that did it, then the US government is going to have a hard time following through on their current narrative of how ISIS got stronger, came to the US and is committing terrorist acts on US soil... because we are attacking them in Syris.
Clearly, ISIS would look toward retribution in Russia, not the US.
But it is all moot since ISIS is a US government/Israel/Saudi/Turk funded, trained and armed mercenary army whose main assets are black hoods, running shoes and a sound stage. (ya can't make this shit up). Yes there are other mercenary armies in Syria attacking Assad and the Syrian people and these mercenaries have actual guns. Russians has been attacking and the US government has been defending these groups.
Wait...is the US saying that ISIS "came to the US and is committing terrorist acts on US soil"? That's the first I've heard.
Looks to me the Ruskis have obliterated the technology gap between them and the US. Just have a look at their latest Sukhoi jetfighter specs ( or a Chinese J-15, they come from the same drawing table ) and compare them with a F35 joint strike fighter ..... the latter cannot even use its board guns, has a low action radius, is not manoevrable and has a low top speed. But it is supposed to be "stealth" while any heat seeking missile takes out a "stealthy" fighter without problems and modern radars can detect "stealthy" airplanes far better now.
None of that military stuff matters about the F22 or F35. What matters is they are so expensive individually that you could never afford to risk them in combat. It doesn't actually matter if they really work or not. At 1/4 to 1/3 of a billion each, the US will continue to fly the previous generation of aircraft instead and keep the F22 & F35 "in reserve". They'll never see action.
Yeah if we actually put them in action and saw how fucked up they are--defense contractors like LockHeed martin would jeopardize future obscene profits. It may also encourage the Russians to go on an all out offensive in several countries. We are so fucked. The eleites are counting on the belief that their F22 and F35s can defeat the American people -once the Rebellion begins. I'm not so sure.
The F-22s are most likely the Tiger IIs of today. When operational, probably totally bad-ass, but they also require maintainance. In the end, they (Tiger IIs) were broken down by failing supply chains, design flaws and completely overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of Shermans, T34s, and when US commanders knew what they were doing, sending the lighter, but faster tank destroyers. But when running, they could really fuck some shit up. In a real war against a real opponent, it would be foolish to throw the F-22s at everything. It would be better to start mass producing much more simple aircraft to overwhelm the other side with numbers while using the F-22 for special jobs. Even the Apache, which I would not want to see coming at me in any way, shape or form, requires a logistical clusterfuck to keep it running.
Re: Tiger II. When an army is in retreat damaged tanks that can't be repaired are either destroyed or left behind. Many a Tiger had to be left behind even when minor repairs could have saved them. When the Tiger was used correctly it could knock out any tank opposed to it as long as it kept its distance and didn't close.
Sure, but maintenance on them was a real bitch. They were complex and at least with the Tiger II, some of the parts weren't robust enough for them to be reliable. A super tank does no good if it isn't running. And the M-26 Pershing may have been a match for it, toe to toe, but I'm not sure if there were ever any Tiger II/M-26 fights. Curiously, the M-26 had some of the same reliability issues.
If we get into a real protracted war with an enemy that can hit back (and that doesn't go nuclear,) how long do you think we're going to keep those supply chains going to keep up with the maintenance on some of our high tech toys? My point here is that our greatest strengths may also be our Achilles heel.
. . . . modern radars can detect "stealthy" airplanes far better now.
The USA has made terrible decisions by dumping so much money into "stealth" aircraft technology at the expense of designing planes that are fast and maneuverable, and relatively inexpensive - almost exactly the opposite approach that the Russian's have taken. The new satellite and radar technology developed by both the Russians and the Chinese that can easily identify the location and flight path of ANY aircraft via its "wake" through the atmosphere has made the whole concept of "stealth" planes virtually obsolete.
It's expected. When the US fires Tomahawks, maybe 10% of them never get there. Just lucky if they don't circle back and fly up your ass.
What the American miitary actually mean is, "we lost sight of a number of the missiles". Which is somewhat worrying if ever these things ever happen to be incoming.