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The Tragic Ending To Obama's Bay Of Pigs: CIA Hands Over Syria To Russia
One week ago, when summarizing the current state of play in Syria, we said that for Obama, "this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam." Yesterday, in tacit confirmation of this assessment, the Obama administration threw in the towel on one of the most contentious programs it has implemented in "fighting ISIS", when the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force.
But this, so far, partial admission of failure only takes care of one part of Obama's problem: there is the question of the "other" rebels supported by the US, those who are not part of the officially-disclosed public program with the fake goal of fighting ISIS; we are talking, of course, about the nearly 10,000 CIA-supported "other rebels", or technically mercenaries, whose only task is to take down Assad.
The same "rebels" whose fate the AP profiles today when it writes that the CIA began a covert operation in 2013 to arm, fund and train a moderate opposition to Assad. Over that time, the CIA has trained an estimated 10,000 fighters, although the number still fighting with so-called moderate forces is unclear.
The effort was separate from the one run by the military, which trained militants willing to promise to take on IS exclusively. That program was widely considered a failure, and on Friday, the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force, instead opting to equip established groups to fight IS.
It is this effort, too, that in the span of just one month Vladimir Putin has managed to render utterly useless, as it is officially "off the books" and thus the US can't formally support these thousands of "rebel-fighters" whose only real task was to repeat the "success" of Ukraine and overthrow Syria's legitimate president: something which runs counter to the US image of a dignified democracy not still resorting to 1960s tactics of government overthrow. That, and coupled with Russia and Iran set to take strategic control of Syria in the coming months, the US simply has no toehold any more in the critical mid-eastern nation.
And so another sad chapter in the CIA's book of failed government overthrows comes to a close, leaving the "rebels" that the CIA had supported for years, to fend for themselves.
CIA-backed rebels in Syria, who had begun to put serious pressure on President Bashar Assad's forces, are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say.
Over the past week, Russia has directed parts of its air campaign against U.S.-funded groups and other moderate opposition in a concerted effort to weaken them, the officials say. The Obama administration has few options to defend those it had secretly armed and trained.
The Russians "know their targets, and they have a sophisticated capacity to understand the battlefield situation," said Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and was careful not to confirm a classified program. "They are bombing in locations that are not connected to the Islamic State" group.
With the US now in damage control mode, the finger pointing begins.
First, it is only natural that finger will point at Putin - after all he is an easy target:
U.S. intelligence officials see many factors motivating Russia's intervention: Moscow's reasserting its primacy as a great power, propping up Assad and wanting to deal a blow to the United States, which has insisted that Assad must go to end Syria's civil war.
Russia is also interested in containing IS, an organization that includes thousands of Chechen fighters who may pose a threat to Russia, officials say.
But in the short term, "my conclusion is that the timing of their intervention was driven by Assad really going critical," said Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., also a House Intelligence Committee member.
Alas, blaming Putin only underscores his latest victory over the US state department, leaving the US diplomatic corps no choice but to blame its own. This is imminent, and many heads will - or should - roll.
The administration is scrambling to come up with a response to Russia's moves, but few believe the U.S. can protect its secret rebel allies. The administration has all but ruled out providing CIA-backed groups with surface-to-air missiles that can down aircraft, fearing such weapons would end up in the wrong hands, officials say.
Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee, says the U.S. should consider establishing a no-fly zone that allows rebels a safe place from which to operate, and shooting down Syrian helicopters that are bombing civilians. He said the U.S. also should provide arms to the Ukrainian government fighting Russian-backed separatists.
A no-fly zone would require the U.S. military to be ready to engage in air battles with the Syrian government, something it is not prepared to do.
Why? Because it is not the Syrian government that is flying those sorties above Syria, it is Putin, and despite all the posturing, Obama is unwilling to risk World War III just to stop a Qatar gas pipeline to Europe.
Which means Obama now has just one option: admitting that his latest gamble to overthrow Assad, one which started in 2013 with the fake YouTube clips of "chemical attacks", and the resultant naval escalation, coupled with the CIA's training of thousands of local rebels mercenaries, and which escalated with the "appearance" of ISIS in the summer of 2014, is about to end with Obama admitting yet another major political defeat.
The administration "is debating the merits of taking further action or whether they are better off letting Putin hang himself," he said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Because somehow handing over control of the Middle East to the Russian-controlled axis - incidentally the topic of another article yesterday in the WSJ "America's Fading Footprint in the Middle East" - is now spun as a defeat for Putin.
"Our options are much narrower than they were two weeks ago," said Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, who serves on the Intelligence and Armed Services committees. "I don't think there is any simple answer. ... Further air involvement has become very problematic because of the Russian engagement."
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And so Putin has once again "won", or as the administration would prefer to spin it, "has hung himself."
Incidentally, this is just the beginning. Now that the U.S. has begun its pivot out of the middle-east, handing it over to Putin as Russia's latest sphere of influence on a silver platter, there will be staggering consequences for middle-east geopolitics. In out preview of things to come last week, we concluded by laying these out; we will do the same again:
The US, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, attempted to train and support Sunni extremists to overthrow the Assad regime. Some of those Sunni extremists ended up going crazy and declaring a Medeival caliphate putting the Pentagon and Langley in the hilarious position of being forced to classify al-Qaeda as "moderate." The situation spun out of control leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and when Washington finally decided to try and find real "moderates" to help contain the Frankenstein monster the CIA had created in ISIS (there were of course numerous other CIA efforts to arm and train anti-Assad fighters, see below for the fate of the most "successful" of those groups), the effort ended up being a complete embarrassment that culminated with the admission that only "four or five" remained and just days after that admission, those "four or five" were car jacked by al-Qaeda in what was perhaps the most under-reported piece of foreign policy comedy in history.
Meanwhile, Iran sensed an epic opportunity to capitalize on Washington's incompetence. Tehran then sent its most powerful general to Russia where a pitch was made to upend the Mid-East balance of power. The Kremlin loved the idea because after all, Moscow is stinging from Western economic sanctions and Vladimir Putin is keen on showing the West that, in the wake of the controversy surrounding the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia isn't set to back down. Thanks to the fact that the US chose extremists as its weapon of choice in Syria, Russia gets to frame its involvement as a "war on terror" and thanks to Russia's involvement, Iran gets to safely broadcast its military support for Assad just weeks after the nuclear deal was struck. Now, Russian airstrikes have debilitated the only group of CIA-backed fighters that had actually proven to be somewhat effective and Iran and Hezbollah are preparing a massive ground invasion under cover of Russian air support. Worse still, the entire on-the-ground effort is being coordinated by the Iranian general who is public enemy number one in Western intelligence circles and he's effectively operating at the behest of Putin, the man that Western media paints as the most dangerous person on the planet.
As incompetent as the US has proven to be throughout the entire debacle, it's still difficult to imagine that Washington, Riyadh, London, Doha, and Jerusalem are going to take this laying down and on that note, we close with our assessment from Thursday: "If Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night."
Which is not to say that the latest US failure to overthrow a mid-east government was a total failure. As Joshua Landis, a Syria expert at the University of Oklahoma says "probably 60 to 80 percent of the arms that America shoveled in have gone to al-Qaida and its affiliates."
Which is at least great news for the military-industrial complex. It means more "terrorist attacks" on U.S. "friends and allies", and perhaps even on U.S. soil - all courtesy of the US government supplying the weapons - are imminent.
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Oh, I think they have mastered it all. They cause chaos, the bankers fleece the taxpayers for their cut of the MIC, rinse and repeat. The tag-teams of Republicrats are all slinging their dicks on the bar trying to out-war the others. Americans are dumb fucks.
In a rather stunning fashion it seems as though America is beign shunned from the global power structure. This leaves but one question to beg; will the future of humanity want America to remain an "independant" and armed to the teeth with out dated yet effective military hardware? Or dare they risk the war and try and destroy it with minimal reprecussions? Time will tell, how much time is anyones guess.
We lost our covering and now we are exposed to the evil and wickedness that comes once we turned our backs from the Almighty.
Funny how man, thru the ages, has reaped what he has sown when he has turn his back on God and reverted to corruption and unending evil, then ultimately to their own destruction.
Crack open a King James Version bible, the past, present, and future history of man is all there. 100% accurate, and 100% true.
But carnal man will never learn. This is also written.
Russia, should it leave Syria in a few months with ISIS and the FSA totally crushed, will have shown the world that the US Government is totally full of shit. Not just world politicians, but every man, woman and child that cares enough to pay attention. I don't know what Russia's end goals really are, but I do know that you have a former KGB guy who is sharp as a tac up against the likes of Obama and Nuland. I wish our fucktards would quit sticking their noses where they don't belong. This is embarrasing.
"the US Government is totally full of shit. "
It IS totally full of shit. What kind of "good guys" recruit, train and financed murderous barbarians to rape, murder,pillage and operate a slave market ? It would be trivializing, to call it a Crime against humanity.
Anyone recall Kayla Mueller ?
If she sounds familiar, that is because she was the American sex slave of Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (Big Daddy) our SeeEyeA annointed Caliph of the Islamic State.
As an aside that's raising the questiong.
To 'beg a question' is a type of circular reasoning.
Pretty much everyone in the US and the UK gets the two mistaken so just pointing it out for those who don't know the difference. To beg the questionl
Cheers
not the USA, but Israeli conttolled USA. Whats coming will be the destruction of Israel and Saudi Araba from wars on their boundary and then the US military will be downsized.
Try to get over your anti-semitism mexwellsdemon. You sound like and no doubt are a real schmuck.
danepol, can you respond to the Rabbi Yosef's (the Chief Rabbi of the Likud party and Bibi's close friend) radio address in 2010 when he told his millions of followers that the ONLY PURPOSE IN LIFE OF GOYS IS BE SLAVES TO THE JEWS? What purpose does a goy have he said, except to serve jews? Only jews have souls he said, non jews have no souls and are like 'beasts in the field'. The Nazis didn't even think this way!.
I call it like I see it. Jews have a regard for non jews as being less than they are, the 'less' being only a matter of degree between reformed, orthodox, or hassidic. I wouldn't care one bit but in this case, this religious group that regards non members as being 'beasts in the field' has an iron clad grip on my banking, media, and government.
Oh and I'm not being anti semitic; Arabs are semites too. Ashkanzi jews came out of the Ukraine and many are blond and redheaded, not possibly purely semitic at all. I'm going to call out any group having a superiorty complex for what it is, simple a defense mechanism against gross feelings of inferiority in some way. Perhaps the groups has an unwilingness to accept the natural order of life and death; their way out is to state that membership in this exalted group 'chosen' by the great chariot driver in the sky confides immortality by Rabbinal decree. Who knows?
Thanks in advance
Lest we forget the incident a number of years back wherein a stealth Chinese sub popped up in the middle of a USS carrier group test. Freaked out the brass. Checkers versus chess, that's what we are witnessing.
Or that ICBM that popped out of the water near Catalina island. Oh wait... The Ziotube told us that was a plane taking off.
Or the times they dont tell you about chasing Russian subs out of the Chesapeake Bay...
Or all the times US subs went up Russian rivers... There were a few US subs that were designed to allow them to turn in tight spaces. Think a water pumping system that puts out a jet of water forward and port and another jet of water aft and starboard.
Standard Disclaimer: Oh, how I miss the Cold War...
Yeah, back when shit tha today would get me labeled as a terroristt may have elicited a chuckle and a scalding.
Or long range missiles in a ship container version:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/10/russia-surprises-with-range-of-its....
It's the type Russians have fired from the Caspic Sea, can target things in 2600 km distance. How many are already out there?
...And there's this:
As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up - or about to be - with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control.
The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft - unarmed - repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
Sometimes those nasty Russkies slow down my Amazon streaming of movies also ... infidels!
I like the story. I wish there were a few more sources. But of course because of the nature of it I dont expect there would be.
The other two did happen, the entire storyline about this super secret invisable weapon that disables ships and the rest of the story is so much fantasy that it make observers not believe the actions that do happen.
Lets see, super secret weapons (some now say Iran invented it and call it a ray cannon), all the US navy crew deserted and refused to sail again. Repeating that fairy tale makes the Putin fan club sound like fiction writters desperate to scare. Saddam's "mother of all battles".
The aircraft didn't make the cook hightail it. It was the sudden lighting up of the Cook by Bastion radar systems in Crimea that gave the Cook the diaper treatment. The unarmed Su-34 buzzing the Cook was the icing on the cake.
Here is the missile part of the Bastion system in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eezq7ZVIeVA
Good luck stopping one or two of these bad babies when they have you in their sights.
That is believeable.
It was a Su-24 and the Cook was back in the Black Sea a couple of months ago.
Well spotted for the typo. The Cook was sailing straight towards Crimea when it was lit up. It will not do that shit again. It will probably play along with the Ukrainian 'navy' near Odessa. How the mighty fall.
Well, the Iranians supposedly captured a US drone in '11. The article on the Cook sounded like propaganda to me, at the time. Then, I read about the Roosevelt being shut down during war games by the French. So, I doubt everything is a lie. It's not that much of a stretch to think Iran has expanded their capability. One extension would be to override the hijack recovery system on commercial airliners. Possibly, last March's downing of Germanwings? Before that, who downed MH370(Mar.'14) and Air Asia(Dec.'14)? Tit for tat?
Here's the scoop on the Donald Cook incident from voltaire.net Its all about the Khibiny
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
This is good too https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cHfBIO-alTI
Here is a video that contains interviews with the Russian naval personel involved. Details at 1:24:30 onwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t42-71RpRgI
The Donald Cook was lit up by Bastion and it turned tail.
The Russians have no need to repeat the exercise should the US be dumb enough to repeat this. Indeed, they would be foolish to do so. It would allow the US to monitor the system and form countermeasures. The next time a US vessel is lit up in the Black Sea, will be for real.
Saddam didn't say; "mother of all battles"< He said "The Mother of Battle" And he was right, the little brush fire lit on Jan 16 has spread and is spreading all over the whole of the world, it'll be in all our neighborhoods soon enough?
The brass has forgotten that the Pacific war was really won by submarines.
Island hopping and fighting starving soldiers, left unsupplied for years,wasn't that hard until
they got closer to the home islands.There is very little defense against a determined submariner.
There are submarines, and there are targets. Carriers are just bigger targets.
If they want to refight the last war, it helps if its remembered correctly. Being in a pig
boat is not glamorous, and sucks,so human nature being what it is,real lessons are rarely learned.
+1945!!! ;-)
Looney
There is the old saying. There are only two types of military vessels - submarines and targets.
Yes, I remember waking up with a hangover to see the work of my fellow shipmates...
http://www.submarinesailor.com/humor/TargetShip.htm
Standard Disclaimer: Long before the USS Cole bombing, but no one learns a thing from history.
+100 Crazy submariners!
Concur.
My Late Father did a number of Patrols on Pac Flt Boats during the War; and spent the rest of his Active Duty and CivSvcAuxFlt Careers in the Pacific.
He didn't tell me much about the War; but I was able to piece together from his old paperwork that he served on the Tautog - one of the "Ace" Boats that sank a good deal of Tonnage - for awhile.
When I found out that the Tautog was moored in NYC across the Intrepid (We had a Service Academy Alumni Ball one year there - I just wandered over across the Pier as our "group of 30 somethings who sat at the Children's Table of a Ballroom full of Geezers" were headed out for some Night Cap Coffee and Spirits), I tried to take him there for a day trip from his Alzheimer's Ward. Unfortunately, he was too "out of it" to want to ride in a Car.
My Cruiser? Hosting Coral as part of a SINKEX.
These newer Russian "black hole" attack subs look pretty threatening. I wonder if they are as quiet as the german and Swedish subs that are supposedly very quiet.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-launches-quietest-subma...
I had mentioned those Caspian Sea subs. Supposedly they can launch missiles out of the torpedo tubes which superised a lot of people becaus ethe technology is pretty advanced.
The Russians have recently launched Kalibr cruise missiles from subs as part of testing. The whole US defense system is being totally evaded. If war comes, even non-nuke, it will come to the US mainland.
LMAO! Now the takfiri zio mercenary assholes are in some deep shit. Better gas up those Toyotas and head for the Golan ladies... I'm sure Bibi and God's chosen can still make use of more terrorists.
Miss Hillary must be saying to herself now, between snorting lines of coke, that she had all that trouble covering up her and Obama's proxy jihadists killing Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens and the Russians have spoiled it all. Poor baby!
I think Hillary kicked her coke habit. If she was still snorting coke, her ankles would be a lot more slim.
LOTD!
Thanks.
March '15
http://share-2.beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/03/anyone-know-of-a-th...
Syrian SITREP October 10th, 2015 by John Rambohttp://thesaker.is/syrian-sitrep-october-10th-2015-by-john-rambo/
Russian video response to "Russia is an agressor." from the siterep.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cHfBIO-alTI
Russian Navy certainly demonstrated that they are capable of non-nuclear strategic deterrence. What is especially interesting is the small size of those missile ships (Buyan class corvette).. But while all the media is buzzing about long range missiles and whatnot, russian pilots above the battlefield really stole the show, in my oppinion.
North Hama: Russian Mi-24 gunships provide support for Syrian army:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ujh0HrhJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1eA_1jMXOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWJ6oFBqdJc
Notice the extreme low altitude the Hinds are pounding from and the jihadis that film it howl in rage as they hope that one is going down when it took a dive, only to turn around and strafe 'em once again. It took balls of pure titanium and a steady hand.
When they scream "Allu Akbar!" is that like our soliders saying "Fuck yes!"?
Maybe more like 'OMFG'. It is just a generic scream they are conditioned to make. The worst thing in the world would be Valley Girls shrieking 'Allahu Akbah' endlessly.
Its presence or abscence seems to be a reliable way of separating ISIS from non-ISIS videos of any action in Syria.
Jews lose! Jews lose! You got to love it.
Don't cheer too soon. Those shitheads have been savoring revenge for 2000 years.
Russia supposedly will have a few and possibly as many as five Caspian Sea ICBM subs. They totally go around any treaty because no one in the USA thought a landlocked giant lake would have ICBMs in subs.
I am not sure if they are Kalibr or something bigger like a Bulava. They probably will have MIRV'ed warrheads.
The Kalibr launch was an exhibition for MIC, The Pentagram, ZWO to the technological abilities of the Russians particularly their missiles.
Putin was interviewed by journalists for RT about a year ago. He was furious how Libya was destroyed and Khadaffi was murdered. Khadaffi had actuall improved the standard of living for Libyans. Far better leader than the House of Saud scum.
Putin also talked about how Russia tried to be a partner with the USA and West after the fall of the USSR. He essentially said Russia and Russians were treated like shit. He sai dthe USA said they had no problem with Russia playing their sandbox with their old junky weapons. Russia were seen as clowns by the west.
He said 10 years later, Russia had made improvements. He said it with a wry smile also tinged with anger. He and Russia had been humiliated and they did NOT forget. Their shit today is top of the line.
"Putin also talked about how Russia tried to be a partner with the USA and West after the fall of the USSR."
Let us have a poll today.
If Putin was American, would you vote for him ?
I hope Tyler can run a poll and see what support Putin would get if he were an American.
It's not so much the missiles. It 's the MAGRAV. "Ted" has been hit before ..
And what should be the Pentagram's response?
Can anyone here think of any better reasons?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/04/americas-sad-terror-confession/
The corporate profits from TPP for US companies may well be worth 5 to 6 K US sailors and a limited nuclear war - or so they who profit think. TPP is supposed to cover 40% of global trade and if you can dip your hand into that 'leading', that'll be good, worth even more, I guess, 50 to 60 K US sailors?
I can't understand all the fuss about 'losing' Syria. It's not a country you would aspire to rule over - very messy country. And a gas-pipeline - there?
Can you be sure it's not going through a Kurdish area? They've been given a raw deal, bombarded by their own country (Turkey), then used to fight ISIS and getting nothing in return. Let the Russians rule over it. It needs a strong hand and probably lots of money to rebuild. Why get into that costly mess?And besides you had your win with Ukraine, now firmly in the western camp.
The real problem you haven't even spotted yet, the EU. They have to pay for Greece and Ukraine, now for millions of refugees at a time when they have reduced economic activities through the Russian sanctions. That cannot be without consequences. You can squeeze a population only so much.
"Is it worth risking the lives of 5-6 thousand US sailors and, possibly, starting a nuclear war?"
The short answer is YES.
Do you believe this Administration with its DOD, DOS etc etc etc would be concerned with the loss of a WHOLE carrier group and five to six thousand cannon fodder ?
Having to tuck its tail between its legs in the ME, the great PEACEMAKER IN Chief hs turned his attention to the South China Sea, thinking he can make the Chicoms blink first.
The Chicoms have stated on numerous occasions that those islets/reefs whatever are CORE issues. It has as much significance as having the US Navy sailing within the sovereign territorial waters of the Chinese mainland.
The Obama administration has embarked on so many adventures in so many countries and has only succeeded in making the US look as "exceptional" as a donkey cart in the Indy 500.
It would be fun to see Chinese subs / surface vessels sailing within 12 nm of Diego Garcia.
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if it would be 40 years back i would be thinking its a trap but if i look at todays government and its idiot-members i dont know anymore
Moon of Alabama has a different take.
The US is actually going to step up suplies to al qaida and ISIS, while pretending
to back out of the situation.I thought that was way too easy when dealing with a narcissist like Obozo.
That's pretty much the way I read this.
ISIS is going to miraculously find some sophisticated portable AA weapons pretty soon. Maybe they were hiding in Saddams spider-hole?
"Sure, they'll take down some civilian airliners with em but as long as they fuck with the Russians, it'll be worth it."
I think that is part of the Russian plan. ISIS comes up with hi tech weaponry, Russia blames it on the US, SA and Qatar, gets to steam roll the Middle East the old fashioned way leaving the US and NATO with only two options. Either fight against the Russian army in the Middle East and possibly Europe, or give up. You think the TOTUS is up for this game? Me neither.
This appears to be correct. The US may plan to use the Saudi's as the conduit. SA has declared that they will provide more and better weapons to ISIS (they call them the rebels). These will include guided anti tank missiles and they have floated that idea they will provide large truck based anti air missiles that can reach high enough to hit the Russian planes.
I would think Russia might have some success spotting the truck mounted missiles as they arrive but not all.
The Putin fans are extending his new term success into a view that it is all over and settled. The most important part of the article was - one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night.
This cannot be unexpected by Russia and their counter to it may be interesting.
It is insanity to judge won vs loss in multidimensional games.
Are we not winning by being forced to stop?
If we voluntarily stopped beating our head against the wall, is that not a win? If someone makes us stop is the same thing.
Who can believe any military or intelligence service? Have they ever saved their empires? 100% of the empires of history have died despite the best efforts of their intelligence agencies and militaries. I have not read the paper showing that intelligence agency heads are executed at lower rates than other agency heads at changes of governments, something we would all know if it were true.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/high-dimensioned-games/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/previous-episodes-of-zealo...
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/warning-ideas-are-dangerous/
Those games are negative-sum. The problem with negative-sum games is you can lose. Why risk loss when it is not necessary? Dumb, dumb, dumb, pursuit of failure by institutions supposedly designed to protect us.
Exactly right. We never should have been trying to overthrow Assad in the first place. We definitely should not have been using Sunni extremist mercenaries to do the job either. Hopefully, we will now stop making the hole we are in any deeper.
Our entire foreign policy is making sure other countries ask "how high" when we tell them to jump. If they don't, then we try to destroy them.
Rep. Adam Schiff should be sent to the front lines for some fighting himself.
Are you a brother of Chumba?
Naw, just a Zappa fan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyLYZcjlSXo
So unfortunate.
Are they using the Bay of Pigs playbook?
Edit: Derp! It seems I blew right by the fact that BoP was mentioned in the post's title.
But Al Qaeda is good now right.........(so confusing)
I remember being out for a morning run 2-3 years ago along the lakefront in Chicago. I stopped at a light pole to stretch and there was a Free Syrian Army sticker emblazoned on the pole. Now it takes some serious zio-organizing to get those put around town.
Manny's Bagels hands them out to customers.
Manny runs the NWO out of the back of his shop.
Did it say "FSA"? May have been talking about a different army.
Vladimir Putin has the potential to save western europe from Islamification, and yet the MSM will still treat him like shit. Fact.
Just hope your average European knows who to thank.
About time the US focussed more on matters closer to home, methinks. Maybe hide awhile, out of sight, out of mind kind of thing...
Putin is going to invade Europe and round up the Muzzies to ship em back home?
That IS news. I hope it works out for you.
Nah. Too much trouble. Siberia. Old fashioned but effective.
Putin's intent would be just the opposite. He would prefer to convince the ISIS mercenaries to find a new profession or different place to conduct business. If the merc's cannot go back home due to quitting the fight or due to lack of opportunities for a different profession - then Putin would want to drive them into western european countries.
Russia's interest is served by selling energy and protection to Europe.
At some point, Europe is going to be faced with a choice: Turn on the US or die. It is already thinking about turning.
A voice of sanity from a Congresswoman.
U.S. Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard: Russia is bombing al-Qaeda terrorists. Why is this a bad thing?
I loved the MSNBC banner on this video, claiming that Russia violated Turkish air space. It's actually funny. Gee, I wonder if the US ever violated anybody's air space?
Some Russian and Armenian news sites claim Turkey's helicopters violated Armenian arispace today. Turkey claimed it happened due to "weather conditions". So much stuff gets explained by weather and climate today, from poor economic data to airspace violations.
Global warming makes the borders wiggle from the heat.
plus its hard to fly through climate change.
Matter of fact yes just now today, According to General Staff of Syria. Dependable? you decide. 2 F-16s just violated Syrian airspace and did a bombing run in Aleppo on wait for it..................2 electrical transformer stations. Yes brilliant plan turn the lights out of a couple suburbs that will be fixed in a few hours. Still waiting on confirm from major newsource though
To the east of the city of Aleppo in the area of ??Al-Radwaniyah 2 aircraft the F-16 "Western coalition" United States violated the airspace of ATS and, defying all norms of international law, attacked Syrian targets infrastructure. Bombed and destroyed two transformer substations, resulting in the power supply is turned off a few areas
The Americans did not get at the terrorists, but to de-energize the neighborhood of Aleppo. The General Staff of Syria announced new aircraft blunders coalition led by the United States. Now repairers restore transformer substations.
Also yesterday 6 Turkish F-16s reported being harrassed by a SU29 out of nowhere of "unknown" nationality. How 1 plane harrasses 6 is beyond my comprehension. This is just an accident waiting or wanting to happen. Hope ole horseface has a lot of mouthwash.
Tylers is right with one thing these a-holes are not going to just roll over and go away, its just they have been so out played, they are still picking their nose trying to decide how. Our Putin picture is going to run out of popcorn at this rate. Looks like they will play the Turkish border thing for all its worth for resupply and sneak attacks. They learned a trick or two on the Afgan/ Paki border on how to cheat.
you might think she would be safe to say such things being from hawaii but they managed to push shatz over the curb with enough money. they will make sure tulsi apologizes or loses her next election.
The US has a history of abandoning people and promises. Remember what the US did to the Kurds? Those "folks" don't forget, either. Unlike their TV watching US counterparts.
KURD who?. Are the Kurds related to the Kardashians?
this is the extent of my knowledge of the kardashians. they are armenian. armenian women are the most beautiful women on earth. the kardashian sisters are among the uglier examples.
Butt ugly.
Here is a worthy Khazak woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2bac-uRb7w
My arm's tired just watching her...oops, that didn't sound right.
OMG! I was incredibly impressed by her sword twirling skills but even more impressed by how pretty she is. She is gorgeous.
the twirling of the swords scares the sh*t out of me because i would hate to see her harmed or injured.
Devastatingly gorgeous, if I may be allowed to say so.
I don't think she would be harmed. Anyone coming too close might be!
Bush Sr. left their asses hanging in the wind.
And the Shiites, remember? Sadam went badass on them after golfwar I. They have not forgotten and now they run the show in Iraq and are hooking up with their brothers in Syria and Iran, and with Hezbollah.
Is it really tragic?
Or did it work exactly like Dick Cheney said he wanted it to go down?
"Ideally we want the area to be a giant global vacuum for jehadis where they come to get killed"
Looks to me like Obama led them into the desrt......with no air cover to die.
The USA never did control Syria, so they have no power to "Give it Away to Putin". Check your history, Syria under Israeli military pressure in the late 50's began to cultivate deep and close relations with the USSR. By the 60's, Syria and the USSR had deep military and economi relations. This continued until the collapse of the USSR, then Syria lost it's cheif supporter, and the USA moved in for the kill. Syria has struggled to survive with the help of Iran. By 2005 the USA was closing in for the kill, a Jihadist Army was raised by the CIA and the civil war broke out, then a foreign invasion by foreign terror groups, again with USA and Turkish help. Russia stepped in and began an arms lift that has kept Syria alive, just barely. Now Putin has doubled down and raised his support to direct military support.
" Nobody handed Syria to Putin, because nobody owned Syria enough to be able to give it away"
I suggest reading some history before making such claims. How indeed can Obama or NATO GIVE Syria to Putin. A deep long lasting alliance between the USSR/Russia and Syria has been in place since before I was born! That is simple fact!
All that has happened is that Putin has upped his support to direct military support, this is an increase in support NOT A HAND OVER.
Jack, don't you know America owns everything? Everywhere?
Nobody gets to run a country unless we say so.
Well, until recently, that is. Goddam Russians.
alright, let's say this is the original plan and it is working. the bait was syria. israel hates syria and has wanted that real estate with lebanon to build one continuous miami beach from egypt to turkey, but i digress. let's say israel has been/is being set up. if this is not a set up to isolate and politiclly destroy israel's influence in the region then it is one of the worst foreign policy disasters in usa history for israel. what does the usa get with russia in charge of the persians and shiites. the usa gets an arm's length box put over israel and it's troublemaking ways in the region. aipac will have to set up in moscow. the alliance with iran is strengthened as a counter to whatever the saudis have in mind. in all, the region becomes more stabilized than it has been since 1990.
so if this wasn't a planned operation then this is the greatest defeat in the history of the usa. the usa was just kicked out of the mideast from the med to pakistan.
This is not a US foreign policy disaster because the US does not have an independent foreign policy Just how many standing ovations did Bib (the Uranium smuggler and terrorist) get from Congress?. This is an Iraeli foreign policy disaster. Behind Israel and their rabidly racist Rabbis supporters, this is really a disaster of the Rothschilds and other international ZioNazi scum bankers. China and Russia historically never trusted the outside world due to their long history of being the targets of invasion, whether it was the Mongols, British, Germans, or Japanese
In areas that the ZioNazi scum allows the US engages in, the US acts well and means well. In any area where we are a tool of the ZioNAzi scum, such as foreign policy, the US acts in a Devlish way
America is exceptionally incompetent, eh.
+10
+11
I actually think america is pretty damn smart. Or at least has alot of smart people within our borders.
We just dont like to think very often. At least not our fearless leaders.
Ricky: Do you ever get your head where it just won't shut up and it's talking to itself, 'yap yap yap'. Fuck! What is that?
Bubbles: Thinkin', Ricky. You're thinkin'!
Ricky: That's all that is?
-trailer park boys
Trailer Park Boys rock!
Ricky for President 2016.
Glad we got that foreign born thing out of the way.
Ow, my balls!
Reminiscent of the CIA story of the agent who had his head in a bucket (barfing) while the ships turned around in the Bay of Pigs abandoning the troops while they were screaming into their radios ,"Fuck you USA".
Time for Barry to make another speech threatening the world with his "crew".
I've been reading a lot of Russian media sources since the beginning of the great 2015 Migrant crisis. Russia oddly enough is one European state that will not accept any attempt at mass illegal migration from Islam. Russia has a policy to take some Syrian refugees, under a limited, strictly controlled policy. All legal all state approved and putting refugees into WORK, not welfare. In Russia you must work, unlike the West. Need I post a little about how Migrants are being handed everything for free in Sweden? Apartments, Free, Health care, free, Cash money weekly, free, education, free, social services of all kinds, free.
Nope in Russia a migrant gets work, a chance to apply for real jobs. If they come for handouts, they better ride on through Russia and cross the Baltic to Sweden.
Russia has also taken near a million East Ukrainians since the US inspired coup left the cities of the East burning.
Not just East Ukrainians. Sensible people in West Ukraine have packed up and left as well.
"Need I post a little about how Migrants are being handed everything for free in Sweden? Apartments, Free, Health care, free, Cash money weekly, free, education, free, social services of all kinds, free."
Just goes to show you don't get the situation here in the EU, Jack. How on Earth could we give jobs to the immigrants? What jobs?
"Need I post a little about how Migrants are being handed everything for free in Sweden?"
Barbara Spectre thinks that is a very good idea. Heck, maybe all Arabs will chose to move out of the ME.
mr affirmative action meets mr real.....its gotta be hard to be commander in chief with reggie up your ass.
There is definitely no doubt, Putin is a Man's Man !
Bathhouse Barry is more of a Reggie's man.
"CIA-backed rebels in Syria....are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say"
That should serve as another lesson to those who want to stick their necks out in support of USG military/foreign policy. Qaddafi also tried to make amends with the US and now he's dead - as is his country.
As Henry Kissinger said, "To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal."
if it is any consolation, most of these guys are mercenaries who have no real allegiances except to money and adrenalin so they will go home to contact their mercenary broker agent and go someplace else.
True, but I am not in need of consolation over it.
Or, as in the declining Rome, they become tax collectors paid on commission, until the desparate and broke gov screws them over.
Then small cities and towns will pay them bribes to keep them pacified, at least until walls are built. Then the mercenaries can be re-hired as 'security'. Wonder if they'll be called knights?
Welcome back to the dark ages.
The dark ages got the name because, at the time, historians knew very little about what was going on back then, hence they were thought of as "dark." That being said, I'd rather be alive today.
Our 'leaders' have been turning the USA into a complete shithole so no one will want to invade us. Brilliant strategy!
Pretty soon there will be Russian troops sitting in Miami Beach bars and banging the local hos.
the russians are coming! the russians are coming!
one of the greatest of really bad movies.
filmed out my back door...
Do you live in Wasilla?
It's always a false choice, between two sides of the same coin...
Exiting / Propulsion
Entering and crossing the event horizon is the easy part. Timing is a bit more complicated.
No matter where you go, you will find passive-aggressive communists in a hierarchy of gangs, in a brittle crystal, which is why they spend all their time on compliance, making rules for you, to break themselves. Each has a perceived list of slights and a perceived list of targets. Somebody lulled them into communism, and you are perceived as ‘fresh meat,’ someone to initiate, beneath them.
Of course government is thinking in terms of martial law for self-contained population control, war to divert all that pent up anger, and the elimination of cash to channel all that perceived profit back to the moneychangers that created the problem, which fails every time, for a reason. The Fed is trapped this time because the critters have cut themselves off from geographic expansion, and virtual money isn’t quite working out the way they planned.
You are leaving with something you went there to get, which is nothing the critters are capable of seeing, whether you waste your time explaining or not, but you do have something new they can see, with a one-track mind. The passive-aggressives have been growing their pack as they hunted you and now see the opportunity to strike, because you will divert your attention to protect what you have.
That’s the prison mentality. With or without walls, it’s just a shared perception. With a prisoner at your back, your problems multiply, and you can’t pick your parents and you can’t pick your children. The Foundation consumes everything in its path, and then itself, which is its weakness. Funny, no one wants to be Speaker.
The critters will compete to lick bubble gum up off the street, if they are paid with nothing more than real estate inflation, and believe that you will join the contest, beneath them. If you set up the recursive combination correctly, what they now hold will implode into a chain reaction, across the event horizon gaps, so keep your treasure in heaven.
When you exit, they will assume that they have destroyed you; improperly targeted by passivity, aggression is always a function of insecurity, and the bully is the most insecure, a poor foundation for an economy. Space travel is a function of choosing the correct door, not learning how to blow up doors to nowhere.
Where is the water, catalysis, in dark matter?
word up
It'll be interesting to see what happens when the almighty puss boil known as the "petrodollar" blows up and the world sees that the USA is "dead broke". All those armies of occupation we have in countries all over the world will be forced to leave because we will not be able to afford such nonsense.
Won't happen soon enough for me.
hairball
You're paying for it via inflation and printing new money. Affordability has never been a question. American taxpayers will pay for it, one way or another.
Remember when the american people said "hell no" to intervention in Syria? What did fedgov do anyway? Intervention into Syria, just in the way most people in the USA don't pay much attention to and does not require their approval. So what do the american people think of Putin going in there and working to put to an end to it? Best I can tell, they by and large approve because it won't be their treasure and their lives.
Obama and the rest of the characters in fedgov should have stayed out when the american people told them to stay out of it. They deserve the embrassment. They should have represented the will of the american people and never did what they did.
We have to keep reminding ourselves that US taxpayers are paying for all of this, including CIA “activities” in the ME and elsewhere. The CIA budget is not itemized and completely opaque. In effect, US taxpayers serve as an ATM so that the Government can push TPP, wars, etc.
"This 'moderate' Syrian army brought to you by your friendly, local drug dealers (legal or not) who have 50 years of serving the community."
I always have a giggle at the propaganda construct “moderate rebels”, those with guns and bombs fighting the legitimate Syrian Government. According to the same criteria, then the Oklahoma bomber would also have been a moderate – he could have bombed the whole of Oklahoma City instead of just the FBI building. Definitely a moderate rebel. Well, we all know what the US Government did to this “moderate”.
That silver platter mentioned above now seems a bit tarnished.
Worth keeping an eye on
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/obama-launches-a-proxy-war-on-russia-in-syria.html#comments
This part of the article, quoted from the Wash Post, is delusional:
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'Reports indicate that CIA-trained groups have sustained a small number of casualties and have been urged to avoid moves that would expose them to Russian aircraft. One U.S. official who is familiar with the CIA program — and who like other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters — said the attacks have galvanized some of the agency-equipped units. “Now they get to fight the Russians,” the official said. “This improves morale.”'
yeah that's fucked up, man
I think it will be pretty hard when you have Syrians, Russians, Hezbollah and Iranians wanting a piece of ISIS, ISIL and NUSRA. The Chechen leader told Putin to say the word if he wants more help plus we will see if china shows up.
Russia could really ramp up helping the Kurds and Iran could really ramp up helping the Houthis plus working to overthrow the House of Saud. I think Putin may have read the midget King of Jordan the riot act too.
Putin is not going to risk russian lives for nothing Turkey might get hit as well and Putin may start giving Hezbollah what they want as far as more advanced weapons.
I even saw a web site that said the Russians could even be asked by Lebanon to base Russian planes there. I doubt that one but anything is possible. Russia and Egypt are also a lot closer.
And if shit gets even more real - the Qatari scum may be in trouble.
it has to make the zionazis fn crazy to see the surge of support for putin and russia on the internet, especially in the usa.
the question really is whether this event is the final repudiation of the zionazis or will they do something excedingly stupid in a sampson option type mentality.
And whilest Obama bumbled Mid-East policy and war he handed the bankers the world on a silver platter. He gave all the money of the world to the banks to buy armorments when he failed at winning Iraq, Afganistan, and now Syria.
These fascist war mongers like Obama, Kerry, Hillary and Bill Clinton, and especially the chicken hawks Cheney and Bush handed over trillions of dollars of future debt payments to banks every year!
Trillions every year for decades and now the government has lost control and will be wiped out.
So go and eat your Taco Bell, go and drink your Pepsi. America the Dream will live forever in memory.
Are those merc's self-insured or does the VA provide them with care?
I'd like to do an honest survey here on ZH. Hopefully I'll get some responses before my post is relegated to the 2nd page and gone forever.
What is our status with Syria? Here is the context for that question.
Does it belong to us? Has it become a protectorate or a territory like Puerto Rico.
Have we made treaties with Syria that include constant meddling, interfering and imposition of our will?
Do we believe that Russia has stolen Syria from us since its a territory like Puerto Rico?
Where is the basis that we have won or lost anything to Russia if Syria is not a territory or a state of the 51 United States?
Where in the Constitution does it say we're responsible for anything that happens in Syria?
What is it about Syria that DEMANDS an obligation from US taxpayers. Is it because Syria will erupt and invade the US? That's not true because they are invading Europe (its much closer and has better welfare state).
Its sort of like two dogs playing together and one steals the ball. The other has a toy basket full of balls but ONLY that ball will do and they want to fight over it.
Help me to understand why it is US taxpayers responsibility to be involved in Syria without emotionalism.
In 2000, there were 8 countries, without a Rothschild owned, central bank...
Afghanistan - invaded
Irag - invaded
Sudan - invaded
Libya - invaded
Syria - invaded
Cuba - in process
North Korea - in process
March 23, 2013 - Russia, Putin purge Rothschild bankers and takes control of central bank.
November 21, 2013 - US starts Ukraine crisis and antiRussion propaganda
The bankers, Military Industrial Complex and depopulationists are all very happy with this constant war. They pay our politicians to do all this. Our politicians are owned by murderers and, because we elected them and do nothing to stop this, we are murderers, as well.
Irax
Nailed it.
+1
Did Russia really take control of their central bank? I was not sure if that has been totally accomplished.
Andrew Jackson would have liked Putin. The central bankers tried to kill him more than once.
They did get JFK, McKinley, Abe, Garfield. Zachary Taylor and Harding may also have been whacked. McKinley was for bi-metalism aka gold and silver as money. Garfield opposed central banks.
The dual shitizens killed Secretary Forrestal. The banksters got rid of Patton.
Maybe this will help:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-04/guest-post-us-going-war-syria-o...
Or this:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Energy-ballet-2-Syria-Uk-by-Pepe-Escoba...
From the first article you posted:
"But no matter how you slice it, there is absolutely no reason for the United States to be getting involved in this conflict."
Which doesn't explain why so many ZH posters demand that we "win" or that Obama is weak and a coward because we didn't properly enforce our will, or any number of other iterations of why ZH commenters are insistent that we be involved as if Syria was our property and we have to "defend" it or somehow find a satisfactory conclusion, ANYTHING but leaving the g*ddamn place alone.
1033, haven't you heard about the mighty Domino theory? The Red Menace? If Syria falls, so will Cambodia, Laos, Kyrgyzstan, Bhutan, and the island of Maluku.
/s
All true but only half the argument.
Does the nation of Syria and all its people belong to a degenerate family of chinless dictators?
Is the US covert campaign to get rid of the dictator who helped kill Americans in Iraq morally better, worse, or equivalent of the Russian campaign to keep their puppet on the throne, or the Assad campaign to hold onto Daddy's fiefdom, or the ISIS campaign to kill infidels and heretics, or the Iranian campaign to maintain their influence, or the Russian campaign to block the proposed oil pipeline that has to run through Syria, or the GCC campaign to get the Russian puppet out of the way of their pipeline, or the quiet European acquiescence in all these efforts to supply their lazy welfare statists with natural gas at the expense of other people's blood and treasure?
Do US, Russian, Syrian, Iranian, GCC, EU, or other taxpayers get a vote or are their governments rulers rather than representatives?
This is not a question of judging moral equivalence but of recognizing immoral equivalence.
Syria is sovereign nation. Assad was chosen in election by Syrian people.
Getting killed in Iraq is main about invading a sovereign country.
Before starting to talk about morality, you need to make up your mind:
Are you exceptional or immorally equivalent?
Because being exceptional necessitates applying higher standards to yourself.
Sounds a bit silly but shouldn't the people who legally voted for Assad by a majority get to keep him?
Ya know, that democracy thingy?
Although, if a foreign govt. invaded the US to oust Obama...
Ok. I might have to think about this some. I'll get back to you.
tricky Bibi is the chinless dictator and the war criminal :P