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The Tragic Ending To Obama's Bay Of Pigs: CIA Hands Over Syria To Russia
One week ago, when summarizing the current state of play in Syria, we said that for Obama, "this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam." Yesterday, in tacit confirmation of this assessment, the Obama administration threw in the towel on one of the most contentious programs it has implemented in "fighting ISIS", when the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force.
But this, so far, partial admission of failure only takes care of one part of Obama's problem: there is the question of the "other" rebels supported by the US, those who are not part of the officially-disclosed public program with the fake goal of fighting ISIS; we are talking, of course, about the nearly 10,000 CIA-supported "other rebels", or technically mercenaries, whose only task is to take down Assad.
The same "rebels" whose fate the AP profiles today when it writes that the CIA began a covert operation in 2013 to arm, fund and train a moderate opposition to Assad. Over that time, the CIA has trained an estimated 10,000 fighters, although the number still fighting with so-called moderate forces is unclear.
The effort was separate from the one run by the military, which trained militants willing to promise to take on IS exclusively. That program was widely considered a failure, and on Friday, the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force, instead opting to equip established groups to fight IS.
It is this effort, too, that in the span of just one month Vladimir Putin has managed to render utterly useless, as it is officially "off the books" and thus the US can't formally support these thousands of "rebel-fighters" whose only real task was to repeat the "success" of Ukraine and overthrow Syria's legitimate president: something which runs counter to the US image of a dignified democracy not still resorting to 1960s tactics of government overthrow. That, and coupled with Russia and Iran set to take strategic control of Syria in the coming months, the US simply has no toehold any more in the critical mid-eastern nation.
And so another sad chapter in the CIA's book of failed government overthrows comes to a close, leaving the "rebels" that the CIA had supported for years, to fend for themselves.
CIA-backed rebels in Syria, who had begun to put serious pressure on President Bashar Assad's forces, are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say.
Over the past week, Russia has directed parts of its air campaign against U.S.-funded groups and other moderate opposition in a concerted effort to weaken them, the officials say. The Obama administration has few options to defend those it had secretly armed and trained.
The Russians "know their targets, and they have a sophisticated capacity to understand the battlefield situation," said Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and was careful not to confirm a classified program. "They are bombing in locations that are not connected to the Islamic State" group.
With the US now in damage control mode, the finger pointing begins.
First, it is only natural that finger will point at Putin - after all he is an easy target:
U.S. intelligence officials see many factors motivating Russia's intervention: Moscow's reasserting its primacy as a great power, propping up Assad and wanting to deal a blow to the United States, which has insisted that Assad must go to end Syria's civil war.
Russia is also interested in containing IS, an organization that includes thousands of Chechen fighters who may pose a threat to Russia, officials say.
But in the short term, "my conclusion is that the timing of their intervention was driven by Assad really going critical," said Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., also a House Intelligence Committee member.
Alas, blaming Putin only underscores his latest victory over the US state department, leaving the US diplomatic corps no choice but to blame its own. This is imminent, and many heads will - or should - roll.
The administration is scrambling to come up with a response to Russia's moves, but few believe the U.S. can protect its secret rebel allies. The administration has all but ruled out providing CIA-backed groups with surface-to-air missiles that can down aircraft, fearing such weapons would end up in the wrong hands, officials say.
Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee, says the U.S. should consider establishing a no-fly zone that allows rebels a safe place from which to operate, and shooting down Syrian helicopters that are bombing civilians. He said the U.S. also should provide arms to the Ukrainian government fighting Russian-backed separatists.
A no-fly zone would require the U.S. military to be ready to engage in air battles with the Syrian government, something it is not prepared to do.
Why? Because it is not the Syrian government that is flying those sorties above Syria, it is Putin, and despite all the posturing, Obama is unwilling to risk World War III just to stop a Qatar gas pipeline to Europe.
Which means Obama now has just one option: admitting that his latest gamble to overthrow Assad, one which started in 2013 with the fake YouTube clips of "chemical attacks", and the resultant naval escalation, coupled with the CIA's training of thousands of local rebels mercenaries, and which escalated with the "appearance" of ISIS in the summer of 2014, is about to end with Obama admitting yet another major political defeat.
The administration "is debating the merits of taking further action or whether they are better off letting Putin hang himself," he said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Because somehow handing over control of the Middle East to the Russian-controlled axis - incidentally the topic of another article yesterday in the WSJ "America's Fading Footprint in the Middle East" - is now spun as a defeat for Putin.
"Our options are much narrower than they were two weeks ago," said Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, who serves on the Intelligence and Armed Services committees. "I don't think there is any simple answer. ... Further air involvement has become very problematic because of the Russian engagement."
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And so Putin has once again "won", or as the administration would prefer to spin it, "has hung himself."
Incidentally, this is just the beginning. Now that the U.S. has begun its pivot out of the middle-east, handing it over to Putin as Russia's latest sphere of influence on a silver platter, there will be staggering consequences for middle-east geopolitics. In out preview of things to come last week, we concluded by laying these out; we will do the same again:
The US, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, attempted to train and support Sunni extremists to overthrow the Assad regime. Some of those Sunni extremists ended up going crazy and declaring a Medeival caliphate putting the Pentagon and Langley in the hilarious position of being forced to classify al-Qaeda as "moderate." The situation spun out of control leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and when Washington finally decided to try and find real "moderates" to help contain the Frankenstein monster the CIA had created in ISIS (there were of course numerous other CIA efforts to arm and train anti-Assad fighters, see below for the fate of the most "successful" of those groups), the effort ended up being a complete embarrassment that culminated with the admission that only "four or five" remained and just days after that admission, those "four or five" were car jacked by al-Qaeda in what was perhaps the most under-reported piece of foreign policy comedy in history.
Meanwhile, Iran sensed an epic opportunity to capitalize on Washington's incompetence. Tehran then sent its most powerful general to Russia where a pitch was made to upend the Mid-East balance of power. The Kremlin loved the idea because after all, Moscow is stinging from Western economic sanctions and Vladimir Putin is keen on showing the West that, in the wake of the controversy surrounding the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia isn't set to back down. Thanks to the fact that the US chose extremists as its weapon of choice in Syria, Russia gets to frame its involvement as a "war on terror" and thanks to Russia's involvement, Iran gets to safely broadcast its military support for Assad just weeks after the nuclear deal was struck. Now, Russian airstrikes have debilitated the only group of CIA-backed fighters that had actually proven to be somewhat effective and Iran and Hezbollah are preparing a massive ground invasion under cover of Russian air support. Worse still, the entire on-the-ground effort is being coordinated by the Iranian general who is public enemy number one in Western intelligence circles and he's effectively operating at the behest of Putin, the man that Western media paints as the most dangerous person on the planet.
As incompetent as the US has proven to be throughout the entire debacle, it's still difficult to imagine that Washington, Riyadh, London, Doha, and Jerusalem are going to take this laying down and on that note, we close with our assessment from Thursday: "If Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night."
Which is not to say that the latest US failure to overthrow a mid-east government was a total failure. As Joshua Landis, a Syria expert at the University of Oklahoma says "probably 60 to 80 percent of the arms that America shoveled in have gone to al-Qaida and its affiliates."
Which is at least great news for the military-industrial complex. It means more "terrorist attacks" on U.S. "friends and allies", and perhaps even on U.S. soil - all courtesy of the US government supplying the weapons - are imminent.
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Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee, says the U.S. should consider establishing a no-fly zone that allows rebels a safe place from which to operate, and shooting down Syrian helicopters that are bombing civilians. He said the U.S. also should provide arms to the Ukrainian government fighting Russian-backed separatists.
A no-fly zone would require the U.S. military to be ready to engage in air battles with the Syrian government, something it is not prepared to do.
Wow...that's exactly the same advice that Sidney Blumenthal gave to Hillary Clinton regarding Libya:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/08/benghazi-committee-will-q...
"They are bombing in locations that are not connected to the Islamic State".
What-a-joke. These are no "moderate opposition", these are fucking psycho merc scum.
A moderate opposition doesn't carry weapons and terrorize the population. A moderate opposition doesn't go against an ELECTED leader brandishing arms paid for by a foreign power that wants its pipe line at all costs, even on the bodies of thousands killed.
A moderate opposition campaigns to win elections.
BTW, the real moderate Syrian opposition is fighting ISIL and Jabhat al-Nusra on Assad's side.
1033eruth
It's nothing more than a fulcrum point in a who's is bigger contest between an upcoming bull who rides tigers and a flacid rearender.
History is filled with countless examples of people who believed that the war was over after the first battle rather than just getting cranked up.
If Obama does fold his tent and run away, then the war is indeed effectively over and the "Let's Pretend We're Syrians" coalition will roll over the country and institute a counter-bloodbath to offset the first one.
But I do not find much evidence of Obama ever folding his tent-- particularly when he personally loathes the opponent who would get to crow over his retreat.
It will take time to filter the equipment necessary to respond to Putin's big adventure into the country, but I suspect that it will happen. Give it a month and then we'll know more about what's actually going to happen.
Putin has gone big into Syria and has done so in a deliberately maximum spectacular fashion in order to create an impression in the minds of worldwide observers, but it is an effort that cannot be sustained at this level of intensity for very long given the limited resources available.
He hopes to buffalo Obama into promptly quitting rather than digging in for a long war of attrition that Russia cannot afford to wage. But the "in-your-face" way in which he has pushed forward his gambit (to borrow a little from the chess-checkers meme) may be the best possible strategy for shaping world opinion but the worst possible hope for triggering a US withdrawl.
He has angered and humiliated a very vain and stubborn man who holds far more military cards in his hand. Far from being over, I suspect that the game is just getting started.
Evidence points to the contrary. He has so far only folded his tent while loathing his opponents.
Which reminds me of the other great leader, Merkel, who 'can't really do anything' about how many people invade Germany.
Clearly we disagree on the evidence of Obama's commitment to his own policies. What instances can you cite of him folding his tent?
Wasn't Obama going to be out of Afghanistan by the end of 2015? Won't he be in longer than the end of 2016?
Apparently the Pentagon has "contractors" in Afghanistan, not counted as troops. Friday October 2, 2015
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/02/us-afghanistan-usa-crash-idUSK...
1) Is that really the best you can come up with?
2) Was the Afghan War really his heart's desire?
3) Is it December 31, 2015 yet?
Please tell me why we are in Afghanistan, tarabel?
Isn't to to have a presence on IRAN's Eastern flank?
Were you aware that the US had contractors there (he naively asks)?
If so how many do you estimate are there? 100, 500, 1000?
you are there to grow opium poppies just like an imperial power. First birts forced indians and chinese to grow opium and now usa taking care of it in afghanistan
12/31/15?
Withdrawal appears to be under construction. All of the MSM is 'carrying the water' on the hospital attack. Some poor schlub in the military is probably going to be set up for it. See how this article even starts finger pointing at the Russians, in Syria, at the very bottom of the article;
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/asia/obama-apologizes-for-bombin...
Maybe folding his tent is not the right word. He basically acts like a girl would leading a war, presumably because of his nobel peace prize legacy. Pulling out of everything, not committing anything to get a job done, always prefering any deal to threat of conflict. Pussyfooting on red lines (that were stupid to begin with). Any more evidence?
you're wrong
Putin has gone into Syria with the amount of force necessary to do what Russia needs do there.
You are mistaking the MSM's silence on the amount of damage inflicted on ISIS and their shouting about all the hits the rebels have taken for what has actually happened (I wonder, tarabel, do you think 4 Russian missiles malfunctioned and it hit in Iran -- and not Iraq or Syria -- where they could be more objectively investigated?).
How many of those cards are tied up in Eastern Europe, the South China Sea, Central Africa, etc?
Tell us where you got the facts about Russia's limited resources, so we may agree with your argument.
The Battle of Syria is hardly the beginning of the game. It began under the leadership of George W Bush when he withdrew the US from the ABM treaty and invaded Iraq The skirmishes in Georgia and now Ukraine seem to be going Russia's way.
Syria is just another theater of war in what's shaping up to be the beginning of WWIII. And we the public are being fed propaganda by the side that's losing.
Oh, and don't forget the canard, so popular here at ZH, that this is all for the rights to lay a pipeline from Qatar to Brussels.
(no chuckling, please) :oD
If it were the Russians and just a few local stooges/mercenaries I might agree with you. But Assad has a lot of support among Syrians and more to the point there will likely be a powerful influx of Iranian and Hesbullah ground forces to do the heavy lifting. I'd lay my money on Vlad as of now.
Naw, I disagree. I don't think Obama wants to tarnish his legacy nor be known for starting a war in Syria.
On the other hand, US Congress has to take orders. That is why the Speaker of the house and Senate Majority Leaders are such important positions right now. Time is a wastin'.
"If Obama does fold his tent and run away, then the war is indeed effectively over and the "Let's Pretend We're Syrians" coalition will roll over the country and institute a counter-bloodbath to offset the first one."
- Look for Desperate Actions, Covert Actions by Neo-Zios, to control the US President as much as possible, to enter war in Syria and the Middle East, to divert attention from the US & Global Economies, Federal Reserve Frauds, and US TBTF Frauds...
- Look for a quickening starting last week
- US looks very uncoordinated this last 3 years, so look for a new hidden power broker to step in behind the scenes and push the US into powerful international or foreign policy moves on the Middle East... they just won't originate from the Executive Branch, ....Black Programs, Lobbyist, Think Tanks, US Congress, Special Committees
I really don't get it.
You are either retarded or some (ex-)military type.
Are you one of those?
Looking at her avatar, I'd say she's a dual citizen raccoon. No need to read what she types, just hit the downvote to save precious time.
Gee, I thought it would be more difficult to bring down the world's mightiest military than to simply project a commander in chief tucking tail and running.
Stop bellyaching and put those boots on the ground. The Brits have put seventy men into Somalia. Seventy! The place will be a beacon of democracy in no time.
You remember Somalia, don't you? Black Hawk down and cut and run.
But best to take your bombing lessons from the Russkies.
At a "cost" of $100 million per Syrian rebel --- who promptly hands over his weapons to al Qaeda at the first opportunity (this was confirmed by the generals during a Pentagon briefing to reporters), this is simply taking fantasy finance to its ultimate end while, as usual, accomplishing absolutely nothing!
Checkmate Washington and Tel-Aviv you are clowns via MR. Putin! I just hope the next false flag happens in those 2 cities.. The Zionist are planning right now because that's what they do.. Unfortunately for all humans this is not over because the ponzi scheme will unravel if the JEWS let this go! China and the next Superpowers are taking notes.. The real problem is Jews who hide in the Zionist umbrella and cry Holocaust horrors. Jews show some balls and put aside your arrogance and burn down your Rothschild boulevard in Israel.. my Americans sheep are just that useless except Ron Paul!! Don't feel I am anti-Semite because my Greek heritage are traitors which are the worst kind of people.. Politicians in Greece are Zionist in disguise just like in America were I live..
"Politicians in Greece are Zionist...lah blah blah"
Who has been voting for them since 1974? STFU you deserve everything you get from them. So does the US.
yea Bark no bite.. I do NOT VOTE EVER!! If you voted you contributed to building this freak show..Ron Paul or Nigel farage will be the first time I take my ass to voting poll..
I know you meant to say something like "...just to prevent the Russians from stopping a Qatar gas pipeline to Europe."
Putin is well hung. He has a pair.
What would we give
For a leader
With his
Flair?
If you people actually think that the POTUS is a mere puppet, then you must also realize that his political masters are quite capable of top-shelf strategic thinking. Especially since they have been doing it very well for many, many decades. His apparent mistakes may not be, and may be deliberate distractions from what matters more.
Have you ever heard of The Magician's Trick (Distraction & Action)? Have you considered that it might be at play here?
Notwithstanding Russia's seeming military success in Syria to date, and their comparable 'success' in the Ukraine, they are being distracted with what really matters: Owning the world's Reserve Currency.
The US is front-running China, Russia and other BRICS members with its TPP and TTIP Agreements. Aside from most objections that people raise, what they all fail to notice is the all-important question: What currency will be used to price goods and services, and to settle international balance of trade for TPP and TTIP? You want to bet it will be King Dollar?
So, while Russia and China are playing in their sand boxes (Syria, Islands in the Stream), they are being outflanked economically by TPP and TPIP. Add the populations and GDP of both, and you get 1.6 Billion people, and 3/4 of the world's trade.
The ONLY move that Russia and China have to counter this, before it's too late, is to adopt the Gold Standard for their currency, and sell their goods in only their currency. They won't, if for no other reason that the traitors within their ranks will use every trick to play for time, on behalf of their true masters.
IOW... TPP + TTIP = NWO part 1 = End of BRICS
TPP, TTIP and TiSA all must be unanimously approved by the parliaments (congress, or whatever) of each of the component states. It might happen for TPP, though I think China will put a lot of pressure on these countries otherwise now that the agreement will be disclosed for review. TTIP is doubtful for Europe as even the EU Commission has doubts. There is yet a long, long road ahead and many obstacles to clear for these treaties to go into effect. You can bet both Russia and China are watching all this develop - they aren't blind, and they really can concentrate on more than one issue at a time - perhaps you can't but they can.
As for King Dollar.....well, kings have lost their heads before....
tswift, you are aware russia & china have formed a bank with other em's, as well russia, china & a fairly long list of other countries have signed contracts to trade in yuan, roubles, as well as some with the currency of the local govt in direct trade deals? many of these were signed almost 2yrs ago now. some deals such as one with iran allowed for barter, russians help construct nuclear plants for iranian oil which russia can in turn sell to china as part of their oil deal, or keep it, selling their own oil to china. putin & Xi have not been altogether dozy.
Silly weekend Tyler. This is just another head fake. No one "announces" they are bailing on what was originally supposed to have been be a covert program. The US is only pretending to pull up stakes and leave the region to Russia and Iran. Just like the Obomber pretends that he and Nutty-yahoo are having a quarrel and not talking, when everyone really knows the depth of dual-citizenry in the president's cabinet would never let that happen.
They are simply trying to suck Russia into potential long term conflicts with US backed militants/mercenaries in almost every country Russia's borders. Forcing Putin to play a game of whack-a-mole with terrorists in a different location every month.
Like I have stated before, Obama was put in office for one major reason, to remove the neocons from the Pentagon and to to take back foreign policy from the State Department. As Obama and the White House has to tow the line when speaking because of the cabal controlled media, it is not what is said but what the White House actually is doing behind the scenes. First there was the deal the WH made in Ukraine for early and free elections. State, (Nuland), went behind theWH back and had the bloody coup. Since then have you noticed there are no large sums of funds going to the country nor is there any sort of weapons. Obama has shut Nuland down. To add insult to injury, the 1500 American troops are training the Urkrainian army not for battle, but as policeman! Google and look it up yourself. Ukraine is now a failed state!
Seondly, Benghazi. State, (Hillary), was running weapons to terrorist thru the embasssy to overthrow the Libya government. When outed and the embassy run over, State ask the WH for military help. They told the pentagon to stand down. No US help as gone to Libya since then to back State's position. Libyia is now a failed state!
Thirdly Iran. By the WH making the deal and lifting sanctions this will reel in Israel and the neocons at State and in the Republican congress. This will change the balance of power in all of the middle east.
Fourthly Syria. When General Allen and State went behind the back of the WH to get a no flow zone, Obama immediately ordered the deactivation and removal of all Patriot missile systems that were keeping the Syrian air force attacking the State and CIA terrorist. He also ordered all other NATO countries who had the same missile systems to be removed immediately. He then made a deal with Russia and Iran to come into Syria and clean up the mess State and the pentagon created. This is what they are doing now. The neocons in the US and Europe are so desparate along with NATO that using the cabal media accused Russia of killing civilians even before they lauched their airstrikes. Yesterday they accused Russia of killing Irainians when as they stated that missiles fired from ships landed in Iran. Logic dictates that Iran should be the ones complaining, if true, and not NATO. This just the desparation and child like behavior of the neocons and the media that follows. The person in charge of the Syrian disaster at the DOD was forced to resign as was General Allen.
Lastly Yemen. It is all over the media that the Saudi are bombing innocent men, women and children especially wedding parties. Now Saudi went to Russia last month and made a deal and also a $10billion investment. Contrary to the western controlled media, Saudi Arabia is actually bombing terrorist backed by State, Israel and NATO. Saudi knows the US's game plane of overthrowing 7 countries in 5 years and they are on the list. They went to Russia for help.
As I have stated before, all is not what it appears because of the cabal controlled press. You read what they want you to read, nothing more, nothing less!This is also happening in the alternative media!
jj
If the Russians manage to bomb these CIA mercenaries to the moon not only the Syrians, but even the Germans will love Putin.
Not buying a word of that, then why is Nuland still there? Nothing stopping Obama and Kerry from firing her.
There is a simpler explanation. Any country where the leadership does not abide by the rules of the Washington Consensus is on the receiving end of controlled chaos. Installing a new government merely leads to a cycle of rinse and repeat. Decades of controlled chaos leaves permanent scars and memories.
The US has, to a large extent, avoided the pitfalls of direct occupation imperialism that plagued Britain. The US, as the current tool of the globalists, uses what I call "Franchise Imperialism", meaning they let you run the country as you choose, but you must abide by their rules.
1. All international trade is conducted in USD and via BIS
2, You shall have an "independent" Central Bank, meaning we determine your global economic success.
3. Mandatory participation in the World Bank and IMF, meaning we control your debt.
4. Diktats from the US Embassy shall be followed
5. If we want a small port for our boats and planes, it shall be given to US.
...
the rest are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Consensus
Bottom line, you can abuse your employees (citizens), skim the till, give all management jobs to family and we do not care. However, if you do not comply with the Franchise rules and you are targeted for regime change.
Makes no sense whatsoever. The people who 'put' Obama in the WH are the very ones you say he's undermining. Look, the same people are in power all the time. They might disagree among themselves on details but they all share the same basic objectives.
NEWS FLASH, RUSSIAN JET SHOT DOWN BY TURKEY.......game on!
It's a lie , typical psyops.Russians didn't even care to reply back. Let them eat their propaganda . Just like US cruise missile dabble failed with no evidence.
" just days after that admission, those "four or five" were car jacked by AL-Qaeda in what was perhaps the most under-reported piece of foreign policy comedy in history. "
USA! USA! USA!
This is better than most stand up comedy routines
Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee, says the U.S. should consider establishing a no-fly zone that allows rebels a safe place from which to operate, and shooting down Syrian helicopters that are bombing civilians.
Schiff, my former congressman and a dumber-than-dryer-lint Harvard lawyer, should understand that you can't invade a sovereign nation uninvited, control their airspace, and shoot down their planes because those are considered by all international law to be ACTS OF WAR.
Fucking Schiff is an example of how the rule of law simply doesn't matter any more. Of course, it's not obvious that Schiff is representing American interests.
Schiff is yet another of those dual-citizen Congresscritters who operate to their agendas and under their own rules.
Obama does not "hand over" Syria to Russia.
Russia has preempted PAx Americana and given the past downside Obama does not want to RAISE the ante.
For him Syria is a lost cause along with Iraq. JFK accepted status quo in Cuba but he had enuff resources to go to the Moon!
Now its up to the local "sunni" front and their "objective allies" aka Israel to counter the "shia" front headed by Iran and supported by Putin.
Putin's strategy (as I have already posted here) is quadruple :
1° Maintain Russia's mediterranean cum regional presence via Assad link.Its his home turf since the Great Game and the US is no longer desirable there as its no longer guaranteeing the regional equilibrium; since the Saud connection is now also a receding cause.
2° Fight Sunni obscurantism which is a new ideological plague from Philippines to Senegal and also threatens Russia and China, as India.This is a global objective.
3° Roll back the petrodolar hegemony and its control on fossil fuel; where Russia has a long term leading edge that allows it to maintain a dialogue with East (Chindia) and West (EU).
4° Build a strategic relationship from the Altlantic to the Urals with EU and from the Urals to Kamtchaka with China, to ensure its true global reach.
To achieve all these aims Russia has to intiate the global pivot from 1492 trek towards West by sending it Eastward where the world future lies.
Now that is like playing at Magellan and not at Cristopher Columbus. It fits in with China's silk road.
Maybe Obama's legacy is to concentrate on post fossil fuel world, artificial intelligence age and the race to Mars!
Its time he junked the CIA/NSA cabal like JFK is alleged to have in his blue print post Cuba.
FDR's handshake was ALL ABOUT OIL; still is !
Not sure if this is good or bad, now ObamaClown Co. has more time to turn inward. You know, if they can't get Russia and China under their control maybe they can get the homeland complete fucked like North Korea and then venture off to try taking over the rest of the world, again.
Fucking nuts.
Anyone care to offer a view? If the US sails it's ships past China, like it says it going to, which happens?
1. China holds it's ground and either blockades or attacks.
2. Nothing, and China can now be referred to as North Korea. All bark and no bite.
Yeah, the US is just going to hand over all that oil and gas over to Putin, China and Iran--ok. There will be troops in Syria--either US or British--perhaps both--in the coming weeks.
I'd bet 100/1 that you're wrong.
Thank you Mr. Putin!
Come to USA and become our President!
We're tired of the fucking communist and Jews ruling America!
How sweet it is to see the MIC/Ziocons get their asses handed to them again by Putin.
What is in it for them? Without wealthy state sponsorships, why do they not then fall apart?
They will be over here when they are brought over here by the same rich state sponsorships they've had all along and used to further scare the American people into giving up more rights while ushering in more Orwellian technology.
< stop fucking up countries
< i want low prices at the pump
Take your pick Americans.
this entire event has become a real life satire of war kind of war. on the one side you have the smartest people in the room busy creating a false bogeyman they think has fooled everyone in the world. they think they have everyone believing that islam is bad and only gets worse in isis, who are so bad other terrorists want to kill them so these good terrorists need to be armed and they are the good guys now, like the usa.
unfortunately for the zionazis the only person that matters knows the entire operation is meant to kick both assad and putin out of syria. the zionazis could not have possibly thought putin was fooled. how could not one zionazi figure out the cover they created for themselves also provided cover for putin? this oversight is almost as bad as the post 9/11 claim that no one could have seen it coming.
if the zionazis really did miss such an obvious hole in their game just how stupid are they capable of. no one is saying just how much israel is fucked now. israel is done. nutandyahoo will do something really stupid as he is stuck on stupid.
The US has just stated that Russia will soon start experiencing losses - a veiled threa most likely meaning that Obama is ready to start providing lethal anti-aircraft missiles to his favourite terrorists (you know, the moderate ones). He is not backing out of Syria at all - merely pushing now in different ways - furnishing the terrorists with more dealy weapons. I think it is really dangerous to think that Obama is running away from Putin now - his Zionist pupetmasters intend to have the last laugh.
That reminds me of a MSM magazine cover showing a bear's foot caught in a trap placed over a map Afghanistan. This was back when Carter(Obama the first) was still in office(Jan. 1980). Here it is;
http://focusonsocialism.ca/upload/image/timeCoverJan1980.jpg
That was then and this is now. Unlike the Brits and Americans, the Russians don't make the same mistake twice.
Now that an adult is handling the situation (that would be Putin) maybe we can stop the ISIS guys that Obama gave rise to from having sex-slave auctions and burning people alive.
Same as always as USSA terrorists like to say, but they do not know their history, they were once saved by RUSSIA, but now they are the enemy,........that is USSA for you, ungrateful bastards who deserve NO RESPECT. We DO NOT FORGET OR FORGIVE, and in your case forgiving is a long stretch.
Who is surprised that Obama wants to prove himself the King of Blowback?
Who is surprised that Obama wants to prove himself the King of Bareback?
Fixed it for you.
Way too much analysis anyway. Putin has decided to cut the Gordian Knot.
Obama tried to talk the Gordian Knot into submission, guess how that worked out.
But has Russia brought enough force to do the job? And what will they do if and when they've won? We shall see, since I can't imagine Obama doing anything, nor NATO, nor anyone else, to stop it.
Just saw this on Drudge. While all this is going on, our esteemed leader just took some time off to vacation in San Diego! But don't worry. He's on top of things!
://www.cbs8.com/story/30229246/president-obamas-mysterious-trip-to-san-dieg...
What would he be on top of, I think he is always under things ! It is not even worth mentioning by name. Such a fucking puppet retard.
Came across yet another nickname for Obama - the Commander-in-Cleats... I understand there is a golf course within 10 minutes of where he is staying.
Atleast 15% of the weapons the U.S. gave to terrorists in Syria will endup back on American soil one way or another, they will swim here from syria with the grenades in their teeth if they have to these people are all insane and have nothing to live for but their so called prophets jihad against an enemy who profits off their aggression in the first place.
The terrorists and the U.S. govt have something in common, they both believe in "profits/prophets" just different types^ ^ there must of been a mixup in the memo.
The U.S. Govt loves it when something bad happens to its citizens because its just another reason to tax more, and strip away more civil liberties and expand govt so that it can consume more of the economy which in turn means the politicians can afford more blow and strippers.
We are all just a bunch of monkeys in a jungle there is no rational to any decisions being made in govt, everything is being determined by the end of a straw and how many rounds of golf they can fit in between banging the prostitutes in the oval office, the entire government has turned into a giant bordello frat house.
I think Obama should pick an all star team of gang bangers from Englewood and the south side of Chicago to go hunt down Vlady.
That pic. LOL!
"this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam."
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MEANWHILE
Russian jet 'shot down by Turkish forces after planes violated country's airspace on Syrian bombing run'
Unconfirmed reports claim a Russian jet was shot down by Turkish forces
Eyewitnesses on social media said they saw an explosion in northern Syria
It was alleged that Russian fighter planes had violated Turkey's airspace
Nato has previously warned of the 'extreme danger' of such incursions
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So, Pooty the "chessplayer" might actually have something in commone eh... Queue the Pink Panther music...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish...
"Eyewitnesses on social media said they saw an explosion in northern Syria"
So Turkish forces violated Syria's airspace to attack a Russian jet. Is that right?
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No. What it means is this. The Russian was hit over Turkish airspace and tried to scurry back into Syria where he crashed.
"It has been claimed by eyewitnesses that there was a large explosion in Huraytan, northern Syria, not far from the Turkish border, while three fighter planes were seen overhead"
Yeahbut...your evidence of this comes from the British tabloid Daily Mail. A well known twister of the truth and printer of lies.
Not first time..before that same social media account said Russian Armata tanks in Ukraine...
and many others near as crazy
The CIA mad dogs should all be rounded up and charged with treason. Then locked up in a FEMA camp for about 35 years.
There's no way that they can successfully claim their actions are in the best interests of America or national security.
The smartest thing neocons in US did was to sucker the Iranians into quagmire that is Syria and Iraq.
The next US President is going to be either a Koch appointee like Cruz, Rubio, Florina,Bush or independent Donald Trump. Either way we're going to be singing that song form 1960s by the Beach Boys, "Bomb, bomb Tehran."
Whats going to be 2017 US Congress is going to be Koch necon plebiscite. In case you're not aware, the likes of fellows like Wofowitz, are just sitting in the wings in the employ of necon think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute.
It ain't over until Iran is FREE of the ayatollahs and Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch Shell are swimming in petrodollars for the next 50-years; the House of Saud rules over the whole of Middle East and Israel is secure in its borders free from Shia and Sunni terrorists.
The Iranians are again showing us that they're nothing but self-dealing back stabbers and unreliable as any treaty partners just like in 1979.
No, my friennd, the Iranians simply know their history better than the Americans do
It's not tragic. We have no business trying to overthrow a democratically elected leader. Period. This is about the only correct thing fucking chalky did in 6 years.
Payback to Russia for Syria? Maidan attempt underway in Minsk, Belarus:
The people of Belarus are not interested in IMF debt slavery or Ukrainian fascists. It is not going to end well for the CIA sponsored goons.
more sources?
english link better for ZH, of course
Very few news in English on the Minsk protest: http://tinyurl.com/osxfxlh
The first article at the link above is Fox News article quoted by other websites.
Also http://tinyurl.com/pzq5lcu (Russian version of Google News)
Here is a Google translation of one of the articles in Russian: 'Lukashenka, a Maidan Awaits You'
I could not find anything in English on the Ukrainian weapons smuggling attempt into Belarus.
Coincidentally, Belorusan writer, Svetlana Alexievich, has just won the Nobel Prize in Literature...
thanks good for ZH not even much on Russia news did I find
Nobel lost credibility
next they will award to Elena Vasilieva..
CNN had her on air, claiming FSA shot down 12 KA-52
that might be new all time low for CNN
even Ukraine media kinda avoid her
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Like the Hmong in Laos who were trained by the CIA then completely deserted when the tide turned against them.
The tragedy is that the American public was lied to about ISIS and the President is a puppet of the plutocracy and MIC. The tragedy is that the American government created and repeated strategic disasters in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Ukraine and other places. The tragedy is the US government has been dishonest with the American public for decades and 'we' bought the lies and have lived the lie. The difference this time, is that we all see through it now, time has run out. There was never anything to win in any of these nations, our government gave them misery and death on a large scale under the guise of freedom and democracy. When our government mentions freedom and democracy they mean the exact opposite and you better run away or be killed. The educated professionals in all the destroyed nations who had the capacity to leave have left. Thus, their is nothing left to build on in these destroyed countries and warlord-ism is not a future, it is imposed tyranny. Our government is despicable, they ignore the rule of law at home and abroad. It is this fact that, the 'in our face corruption' that makes us all culpable if we do not rebel against it. Rebellion against our governments tyranny is a moral imperative or be tarred and feathered with the same brush as the criminal syndicates that have ruined our nation. The traitors and treasonous bastards need to be treated as such, they are not hiding, we know who they are and if we do not understand or grip the reality, they will soon turn on us and it appears they are prepared to do that. Denial of the facts never ends well, the NSA spies on all of us, our government has over sized fully employed empty FEMA camps, NDAA is the law, there is no justice - just a legal system for those that can afford it, 25% of the worlds prison population is ours. It is easy to get on a high horse and say it is the other guys problem but deep inside you know better, don't you?
@Moccasin. And it's all had the effect of making people around the world despise America, wheeras, in Europe at least, America was greatly respected up until Viet Nam.
I feel sorry for Obama. He has been led up the garden path by the CIA/NSA and now looks a fool.
you meant tool didn't you
He had a leash going in -that was part of the deal. He's always been a puppet. He's failrly bright, so I think he knows this-that he has no real power. Clinton the same -crooked , corrput, groomed by the elites -disciple of carroll Quigley. He went off script a bit and they impeached him -then he got back on board. Now he is in good graces. The Bush's are a different faction of the same elite rulers - evil bastards-part of the Old Yale, Skull N Bones evil protestant elites -same team -just a power sharing arrangement with the RKM (Rothschild Khazzarian Mafia) Reagan slipped in because of his vision, likeability and honesty -but only because Bush was his VP -his controller-his handler -when that didn't work, they tried to take him out. Almost succeeded so papa Bush had to wait. Carter was someone they groomed and thought they could control -he was ineffective and not very useful to the elites -so they replaced him. Nixon was one of them also -he was aware of , if not involved with the JFK assasination, so they thought they had the goods on him to keep him in line -I beleive he was not trusted by the elites, and they simply tried to rtest and exhibit their own power to take him out -after having effectively used their deviant counter culture movement of the sixties to forever mark a change of the overthrow of the Old Guard to the new rulers -the RKM who had by then established tight control over the media, Wall Street, Academia and most of Congress.
Kennedy was part of the Family -his Mobster Dad cut a deal to get him elected -he turned on the Family, thinking he had real power and could serve America -so they killed him. Warren Commission member Ford was simply a caretaker until the elites picked their next boy.
Czar Vladimir is lord of the world. Obama is a coward. The US sucks.
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"Czar Vladimir is lord of the world"
Well doesn't that about say it all. Somebodys pining for Pootys bare chested 2016 calendar...
BBBWWWWAAAAHHH!!!!!!
A clear case of I RAN away....
USA governments is supporting and training know terrorist groups.
That makes them ALL traitors, for which is only 1 sentence in war time (aka war on terrorists) ... the death penalty.
When will USA people stand up and take those war criminals down???
The US government has been supporting terrorists almost since day one. It's so ingrained into Washington culture that nobody gives it a second thought. And, why would they? Whether you've got a D, R or I after your name, not supporting terrorists is a career-ender.
Putin must be hypervigilant about Saudi Arabia, waiting for them and their US clowns to weaken the monarchy to the point where it can be tipped over, with Putins opportunistic and appropriately prudent assistance. This will greatly assist the dismemberment of the petrodollar and help to defang US/Israeli mischief making capacity. A move to significantly further move towards a checkmate potential.
I'll just leave this here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y40pY2qT_i4
Well, there is at least one warrior left in America that is prepared to fight for what is right. I wonder how many others are out there?
Too far down the comment section to matter, but ...
An important corollary to all of this are the masses of "Syrian" refugees that somehow have washed up in Central Europe over night.
That is happening with a concerted effort on the part of America and NATO.
While i would not call it a central plot I would consider it a fringe benefit for the US/UK to bring in millions of refugees in their heartlands - in order to strengthen the "domestic terrorist" threat.
You cannot have all these security state programs without a larger bogey man on every street corner.
I am sure it thrills Obama to no end to colonize Amerika with more Muslims and otherwise create another ticking time bomb like the Muslim quarters of Paris.
Import a couple millions Muslims across America in his last year in office and let perk for 5-10 years.
Thanks Democrats.
Maybe someone can refresh my memory, but why is my tax $$ supported CIA funding an operation to destroy a legitimate govt in Syria? Exactly what sin did Assad commit that the govt who daily extorts tax from me, and my family, to pay for this that sparked the ire of the US federal govt?
the cia is now training and funding russian troops because they can use the russians to control both isis and assad. they might have a winner here if they sell an "allies" angle or maybe even just friends.
He would not obey the ruling banksters of the west.
He has moar gold.
Assad committed no sin. He just happened to be ruling the country when the ZionNazis got around to destabilising Syria - after Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Somali, Libya. It's nothing personal. It's just business.
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And so another sad chapter in the CIA's book of failed government overthrows comes to a close...
Every so-called CIA, FBI, NSA "failure" is actually a good thing. The more fictional governments the USSA overthrows (and replaces with paid flunkies), the more unipolar, corrupt and unbalanced the world becomes.
Every "failure" by the predators-DBA-USSA and their allies is a very good thing for the humans who live on planet earth.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, ISIS gained territory in the wake f the Russian bombings.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran...
If that was true, then the CIA would be celebrating instead of being humilated as failures.
No, because anybody who isn't a total nutjob knows that the CIA had nothing to do with the creation of ISIS. The core is ISIS is bunch of ex-Iraqi military looking for a new gig.
Originally, but with a different name and agenda, but apart from that...yknwim
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IF ? No son its true. In FACT, it's being reported in every media source from New Zealand to Iceland. In fact, Al Jazeera is even reporting this.
You have two choices.
1) Admit that Russia is purposely NOT bombing ISIS.
or
2) Admit that if Russia is bombing ISIS, they suck and can't hit shit because as the article states below...
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IS at outskirts of Syria's Aleppo despite Russian raids
By Rana Moussaoui
Beirut (AFP) Oct 9, 2015
Islamic State group fighters advanced Friday to the outskirts of Syria's second city Aleppo, despite 10 days of Russian air strikes that Moscow says are aimed at routing the jihadists.
And despite the Russian raids, IS militants have reached their closest position yet to Aleppo in northern Syria, a monitoring group reported.
The jihadists are now just over 10 kilometres (six miles) from the northern edges of Aleppo city and three kilometres (two miles) from pro-regime forces positioned at the Sheikh Najjar industrial zone.
"IS has never been so close to the city of Aleppo, and this is its biggest advance towards" the country's pre-war commercial capital, Abdel Rahman said.
IS has not had a presence in the city, but the jihadist group on Friday boasted it had "reached the gates of Aleppo".
"IS announced several times that it would launch an offensive on Aleppo without doing it. They were waiting for the right moment and took advance of Russian strikes on other rebels to advance," said jihadism analyst Romain Caillet.
5 weeks 4 days
2 weeks 4 days
This is too easy.
Actually, this may be done on purpose. Allow ISIS to mass in one area, encircle and destroy. I do not know enough about the terra firma in Syria to know if this is true or not, but a classic strategy is to draw in your enemy into territory you know and then to bring the hammer down on the anvil.
Sadam was aiding al Queda
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now this
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this is truly amazing
Who?
I think you misspelled the site, you were looking for:
www.disney.com
I ain't got no military education, just I learn as it goes. So when Russia start air operation in Syria I said that it will follow tactix of Donbass. A, Cut communication and suplying roads = B, Creation of cauldrons C, Ground forces will finish the job. AZ why amerikan bombing failed ( actualy just make-up on ugly face ) = no solution without supporting ground forces. And here is map
http://cassad.cdnvideo.ru/uploads/posts/2015-10/1444486405_7943892.jpg
Is Putin genius? Absolutely not, it is old taktix. Are amerikans dumb? Not at all = lead air campaign on purpose to make muddy waters without result.
What is minus for here? Do you see map? That's it
Grammar?
Manners?
dupe
Grammar trumps manners as truth trumps propaganda.
I see what you did there. Trump 2016!! Hells to the yes! Wait a minute, what am I saying.
It's like Iran said the other day,Iran will never forget about the embargo and what it has done.
Tragic? Who wrote this, Netanyahu?
Putin wishes Obama could have a third term so the full transfer of power could be completed.
And there is multiple other problems in this Russia's campaign. Many not confirmed but it is said that US did not get Russia's rockets from Caspian Sea. Plus Amerikans thought that those rockets are designed up to 600 KM, but at least some of them hit targets @ 1500 km. And then there is info that Russian sattelite LUCH was side by side 2 amerikan satellites for a while just taking signal sending to Houston. And then there is Russian jammer which can destroy radars, avionic electronics, eliinate AWACS and low fly satellites. There is not much space for D.C. to go except direct confrontation with Russian military. And Putin is reddy. ( looks like someone aslept on olive branches )
https://news.vice.com/article/russia-is-now-bombing-syria-how-did-putin-...
Why tragic? I think it is wonderful! Thank you Putin!
Nato Russia face off in Syria
I was the second one to comment...how did I get last?!
This is what happens when your nation is run by zionist filth. get the zionists out of the US governemnt, and see how fast things change for the better.
Obama will go down in history as the greatest fool and pansy since Lee Harvey Oswald.
A Global Force for Good...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3wtUCPWmeI
I recently read about a US soldier who was serving in Afghanistan tell about being ordered to stand down while local Afghan officials were sodomizing boys in the adjacent room. While reading, the above commercial came to mind. Maybe the ad producer should have included the soldier's account in the commercial.
America is the good guys....right?
Obviously a defeat at face value but has anybody given a second thought, that this was our plan all along? We are broke and we are tired. If Putin wants to take it all off our hands, then let him have at it.
That's always a possibility. After all, that's what the Brits did to us after WW2. Maybe our policy makers aren't as dumb as they look.
Don't think for a minute the MIC won't stand behind the curtain supplying arms like we did in Afghanistan for lengthy drawnout war vs Russia. If there's a potential for profit$$$ to be made in any conflict, the MIC will sure to be there. count on it.
Sad my ass.
Putin did us a favor and everyone knows it.
Fuck the military industrial complex. They fuck you over every minute of every day.
It's really a "tragedy." A tragedy is only when the bad event was not preventable. It's more like gross incompetence.
When JFK would not allow air support in the Bay of Pigs fiasco, the operation fell apart. The CIA never forgave Kennedy for that, and they killed him for it {and a few other reasons}. If we're lucky, we will get a similar response this time too.
How is that tragic? We'd be a lot better off if we closed ALL foreign bases, ended ALL foreign aid, ended ALL covert ops and backed out of ALL mutual defense treaties. Let the Russians bankrupt themselves trying to herd cats in the mid-east.
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Well now folks all across America can be thankful for the Russians kicking al-CIA-duh/isis arse and saving the American tax payers billions of dollars by no longer fighting the useless senseless never ending war on terror. Now, we can bring home all our troops from all over the world and save the American economy by spending all that money that it takes to support those troops and the 1,000 military base all over the world in America instead. Lets bring home ALL OUR TROOPS to guard our borders, and not every other border in the world. Just think of all those trillions spent in America, and not on the military industrial complex.
Thank you Russia for putting an end to the al-CIA-duh/isis/isl/ or whatever the fruit of the day is. All we have to do now is hope that these evil things that are being spread all over the world do not start firing off all those Benghazi missiles that hitlery gave them. One has to wonder, HOW MUCH DID BILL AND HITLERY CLITTON MAKE OFF THAT TOYOTA TRUCKS TO ISIS DEAL ANYWAYS?
And speaking of speaking truth to power, no one does it like the good ol Sir David Icke. Here he is laying it all out on the level for those who wish to understand how the rottenchild empire of dust operates, and how it will all go in the coming future if the good and square folks do not stop it before it festers any moar. Check this out and share it around.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3hltLgbl8E
Icke is CONTROLLED OPPOSITION, claiming the elite criminals are lizards, even if i believed they were lizards i would at least have the brains to keep quiet about it. What Icke does is give people that might otherwise become aware that the world is run by a bunch of criminals, to dismiss that FACT because it comes from a nutter.
Head fake from White House. They are still going to keep sending guns and money from the US Taxpayer to ISIS.
At this rate, I predict next up, once she becomes president HRC will say, "Turn them all in Mr. and Mrs. America, we are sending your guns to those needy people in the Middle East and banning all firearms under private ownership in the US. We need to support the Syrians like the French supported us during our Revolution"
People need to wake up and wake up fast. Obama, Biden, HRC, Pelosi - these people are psychopaths.
There is no need to claim US citizens' weapons. The CIA has all the untraceable Russian weapons it needs in the Midwest CIA Depots.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/222211776/Midwest-CIA-Depot
Why on earth would a corporatist US government of what ever flag interfere with the profits of its big funders, weapons manufacturers in this case? They know the NRA will do nothing against it as long as their members can play with the latest weapons. The real reason for scares about weapons/ammo shortages is to keep the money flowing to the weapons corporations. There is nothing better for boosting short term sales.
Putin should get the OK from NATO to take out ISIS. ISIS is a global problem and Russia is doing the work.
Good Luck!
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Even better, some moron called Michael Weiss has stated that "Russia is giving ISIS an airforce: Putin's campaign in SYria is not only supporting Assad, it's giving cover to the fighters from the so-called Islamic State"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/08/russia-s-giving-isis-an...
As someone said elsewhere, this guy takes the stupid up to 11.
jorgen, your link displays 404 page does not exist, it seems to have been deleted.
It was there when I posted it. Anyway, here is a copy of that article.