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Obama Is Considering Gun Control Through Executive Order
After yesterday's not one, not two, but three campus shootings, which come a week after the latest mass killing at Umpqua Community College left 10 people dead, it was only a matter of time before the administration would pick up where it left off shortly after the Sandy Hook shooting of December 2012.
The time has arrived, and according to The Hill after Obama's failed efforts to implement any form of gun control in early 2013 fizzled, the lame duck president is preparing to do what he has been threatening to do for a long time, by issuing a new executive action on gun control.
"Obama is wading back into the divisive issue of gun control as he travels to Roseburg, Ore., Friday to meet privately with survivors and families of victims of the mass shooting at Umpqua Community College."
While not a full ban on gun sales (yet) Obama is considering extending background check requirements to more dealers, according to The Washington Post. A White House official confirmed the plan is under consideration.
As we have noted previously, this proposal is among a number of executive actions that Obama considered after the 2012 shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. Back then the idea was abandoned, partly due to objections from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).
Still, unwilling to ride off into the sunset without imposing at least one executive order on gun control, the White House is giving the plan a second look.
At a press conference last week, a frustrated Obama said he had asked his advisers "to scrub what kinds of authorities do we have to enforce the laws that we have in place more effectively to keep guns out of the hands of criminals."
The details:
Under the plan, dealers who sell guns above a certain amount would have to perform background checks and obtain a license from the ATF.
Many of those dealers are exempt from the requirements now under a federal law that states people who make "occasional sales" as a hobby do not have to obtain a license or perform background checks, The Post notes.
The rule change would effectively help to close what critics call a loophole that allows people to purchase firearms online and at gun shows without going through a background check.
The president’s legal staff is weighing just how far he could tighten the standard without the regulation being overturned in court.
Like on previous occasions, such an executive order is certain to set off a firestorm in Washington, with a debate raging in Congress whether gun control is needed to stem the tide of mass shootings.
Obama's proposal is sure to also launch a firestorm on the presidential campaign trail, where Hillary Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, has seized on the Oregon shooting to put forward a number of gun control proposals, including an executive action on background checks that is similar to what Obama is now considering.
The Democratic Party's focus on guns has drawn fierce criticism from Republican White House hopefuls, who largely say mental health, and not gun control, is the correct policy response. They say Democrats are using the shootings to roll back Second Amendment rights.
Meanwhile, just like in 2012, the threat of more gun control is having just the opposite effect of what the president intends, and as we reported earlier this week, gun sales are soaring in the aftermath of the most recent cluster of shootings. In fact, "gun sales this year could surpass the record set in 2013, when gun purchases surged after the December 2012 Sandy Hook murders."
In the first nine months of this year, 15.6m of the background checks needed to purchase guns from federally licensed sellers have been processed, compared with the 15.5m applications in the same period in 2013, according to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
Why the surge? Simple: "Once the public hears the president on the news say we need more gun controls, it tends to drive sales,” said Mr Hyatt, who owns one of the largest gun retailers in the US. "People think, if I don’t get a gun now, it might be difficult to get one in the future. The store is crowded."
Because if you want something to be truly broken, just invite the government to "fix" it. Which is not to say that everyone is a loser - two clear winners from Obama's repeated attempts to enforce gun control are shown in the chart below.
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The rape lobby must be thrilled. It is what they wanted for decades.
+100 - exactly.
Look at the MSM and you won't see a word about it.
But 'guns' and 'weather' and McCarthy diddled a lobbyist - ooooohhh...
He really wants to ban all guns, but doing so would get either him or his Folk killed. A gun control executive order here and there is the only way to disarm America. , because Americans are ignorant peasants with short attention spans and will abide by the king's rule until all guns disappear.... And THEN the government will take full control of the people.
screw SW and Ruger. build one of these buggers in your basement with radio shack parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWeJsaCiGQ0 Official PROJECT MAYHEM issue
GENERAL DYNAMICS is primary us mil gunpowder producer.. among many other mil stuff.. time to RETOOL GD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9phwt8f_Gc FACTOR that into your techs
Funny how people were buying automatic machine guns back in the 30s-40s-50s-60s-70s-80s and there were no mass shootings... only gangsters killed each other... What changed? Ah yes, the American culture changed... not to mention, people are on drugs... legal ones... which turns them into psychos. Also the MSM does everything they can to produce copy cats by making ``celebrities`` of the shooters.. Also teens see no future so why the hell continue to live, better to go out in a blaze of glory... The problem are not the guns, never was. There's like 50% of the guns per habitant in Canada compared to the US... are there shootings? No. American culture has become insane, that's the reason there's so many shootings, not guns.
Children now pop Ritalin instead of M&Ms and are brain fried after about 5-10 years.
Melts your mind not in your hands.
Bonus from emptying the insane asylums a few decades ago: mass shootings, hobos all over, and drug profits.
Central planning REQUIRES that we aren't able to effectively fight back.
(RESIST).
Well... you are not, are u?
There's lots of ways to resist. And those who resist even in small ways become radicalized by the process so then they resist some more. Rome wasn't felled in a day.
Many of those dealers are exempt from the requirements now under a federal law that states people who make "occasional sales" as a hobby do not have to obtain a license or perform background checks, The Post notes.
The rule change would effectively help to close what critics call a loophole that allows people to purchase firearms online and at gun shows without going through a background check.
I call bullshit. Show me WHERE you can buy a gun online and have it sent directly to you. Even C&R (Curio and Relic) purchases require a license. You can certainly buy a gun online, but it has to be sent directly to an FFL who will then do a standard background check before signing over the firearm to you. This sounds like a typical Libtard "gun myth" to me .... I've never heard of any situation that allows this.
liberals are lying sacks of garbage
The Nazi's would love obama
You have to read between the lines. What they're actually describing: "exempt from the requirements now under a federal law that states people who make "occasional sales" as a hobby do not have to obtain a license or perform background checks"
If you're a licensed dealer, you have a FFL, and you have to do background checks. So what's happening here is the usual sneakly language trick.
Someone who makes occasional sales as a hobby, doesn't have a license, and doesn't have to do background checks. You know who that is? It's not a dealer. It's anyone making a private sale. So they're trying to redefine any private sale as a dealer sale by E.O. and then using that to require background checks (which in turn, of course, is registration even though it's against the law to retain the records, you know someone, be it NSA, ATF, FBI or whoever, isn't complying with that.)
As far as the online stuff, yeah, it's BS. The only thing you can order online and have shipped to you is pre-1898 guns, as far as I'm aware of.
So this is scare-mongering as usual, and twisting language as usual, to get around those pesky laws.
I didnt even think about that. So you, by executive order, make anyone who ever sells a firearm a "dealer". So if I have a gun I want to sell to a relative or friend(or some dude on craigslist) you now have to get Uncle scam involved. But that brings up a question, if anyone who sells a gun is now a "dealer" does that mean we can now order them online and get them sent to ourselves like an actual FFL can do? Hows that gonna work?
People who do what you describe are few and far between, at least that i have seen. I couldn't find a single one at the last gun show I went to. Because Im with you on the whole registration thing. There is NO FUCKING WAY those are actually deleted like they are supposed to.
We are supposed to believe that a government that is so insanely paranoid that it spends billions on servers to steal and retain our fuckin text messages doesn't retain records of who bought guns? no way. Every gun bought through a dealer in the last, say 20 years, is cataloged in a govt computer somewhere. bet on it.
which in turn, of course, is registration even though it's against the law to retain the records,
When an FFL dealer quits the business his book with all purchases goes to the ATF.
Private sales of firearms have to be a tiny fraction of all gun sales.
How many gun shows are there every weekend and how many of those guns displayed at gun shows are even sold?
And of those, easily > 90% are dealers, not private sales.
In my area virtually all private sales are either friend-to-friend, or (largely) stolen guns via craigslist/backpage. Pawn shops are FFLs and run the serials of every gun that comes in.
It is total bullshit, still gotta go through an FFL who is required to do a background check. "SO while literally anyone can technically buy any gun they want online, even felons" is technically a true statement, they have to send the gun to an FFL who then performs a background check, so its pretty much irrelevent. If passing a law making it illegal to do something thats already illegal makes them feel good and shuts obama up for a while, then knock yourselves out.
GANGSTAS official and shadow AGAINST the people
"After yesterday's not one, not two, but three campus shootings"
And by stating it like that YOU TOO serve to hype the non-issue.
Here are those three "campus shootings":
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Kentucky:
Dozens of police officers searched through a building Friday at the Jefferson Community & Technical College campus at 800 W. Chestnut St. after a 911 call reported possible gunfire, which sparked a campus-wide lockdown. No gunman was found after nearly an hour of searching.
The two others:
Unlike the attack in Oregon and other mass shootings at colleges and schools in recent years, the two on Friday were not so-called active-shooter episodes, but instead appeared to stem from ordinary disputes and altercations that quickly turned violent.
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Just as when there's a sequence of two large fish-kills or birds falling from the sky, people suddenly start to pay attention, the ones who then actually INVESTIGATE finding that the events aren't rare at all and it is the INCREASED ATTENTION in the national news that makes them seem unusual.
So cut the f'ing hype in search of site hits.
Shark!
they should ban assault campuses
LIBERALS ARE FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT (BUT YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT)
Wolfgang Halbig is now being threatened.
Before meeting with a superior court judge, photos were taken of him in the crosshairs.
Show me the bodies & death certificates...that is if legislation hasn't been passed declaring them a privacy concern.
I fear where this banana republic is headed is going to be murder on a mass scale.
According to plan.
Many of which never knowing just who sews the seeds of chaos.
Boehner will handle this.
After the US recent middle east not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, and etc.. bombings of innocent civilians and children, Obama has decided to just continue with the program in as many places as possible. Meanwhile, in the US....
How about SSRI control? <crickets chirp>
So lets get this straight...The left claims that guns are a threat to public safety? I mean seriously..What exactly IS the problem here?
If guns actually are the problem..Then go after the guns boys and girls.
Start with Chicago?
New York?
L.A?
D Fucking
C
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These POS aren't after guns to stop crime. They're after guns to minimize causulaties on THEIR side.
Ferguson is the lab. At least we're safe.
"We're just going to kill the dollar"
When reserve status is lost, what's next? With all those guns, it's gonna be rather messy.
But without those guns, the police state and the military will take control. So, i'd say: don't give up your guns. It's better to have a future than to live as slaves. I hope you'll be fine without a big mess though.
Oh and, match your blacklists and go after those motherfuckers......
Is the Obama administration this dumb? Show me how someone can buy a gun online without undergoing the traditional NICS background check? No possible. These guys are full of shit.
The current system works just fine. What doesn't work fine is the fact that we're medicating boys. Put a ban on that and everyone would be happy.
We disarmed some folks.
Civil War before the ink is dry. But he probably is counting on that.
You mean to tell me that the only place where the United States will allow us to have guns and ammo is in Saudi Arabia, limited parts of Syria, Iraq and Turkey? Okay kids, start loading up the station wagon...
This cat has a daily death count going. Two faced Rat.
I've had it with Caniggula and his fucking executive actions, secret trade deals, and parliamentary end-runs. It is a basic principle of natural law that any positive law not made according to correct procedures, and not made in the public interest, need not be followed, period. The law becomes an instrument of tyranny in the hands of a petty and petulant catamite like Obama, who simply craves power and destruction. It is not about ruling a country; it is about ruining a country.
Well, just try to enforce your edicts, you simpleton half-breed ass cowboy. You're going to learn the role that history has assigned to the resr of your ilk applies to you as well. The forgotten glamour of gilded queens crumbles into dust, as God and man laugh at your impotent rage.
"I've had it with Caniggula and his fucking executive actions"
I got a good belly laugh out of that one. Made my day.
I guess that goofy idiot thought the Bundy Ranch was a joke, Unless they repeal the 2nd Amendment, he don't want to know what the next Occupy protests will look like.
Hahaha, great name for this cunt
Goose-Stepper - + 1MM for "Caniggula". You made my freaking month with that one.
President Obama knows what is best for us. If he thinks we should get rid of the Second Amendment then we should be patriotic and support our leader, and help him eliminate this Amendment.
First, you feed the children high doses of TV violence, video games and sex.
Second, you put them on Ritalin when their symptoms of imbalance start being a bother.
Third, you don't give them any ethical frame or clean human references. The TV and movies will keep them high on empty references like greed, sadism, porn, dope and power.
Fourth, you give them access to guns.
Boom.
Then, the people are scared and buy yet moar guns.
Who wins? The gun manufacturers.
games like GTA, COD series
"one guy kills everyone" on tv and cinema
a future of working as burger flipper with a college degree
huge debts
quarter of population without jobs
illegal immigrants taking away chances
drugs from afganistan (government setting population purposely on drugs like heroin, meth, etc and legalization of cannabis). the idea of taking drugs is spread trough jew owned media like mtv and so on
trying to fix problems with medication (if someone has no girlfriend and a huge loan, there is no wy any doctor could fix his problem)
mass shootings everywhere except in the government and white house hmmm....
no one want to kill the criminl guys responsible for tears and sadness?
jew did well on brainwashing whole population
you know whats coming after they disarmed the nation and you?
great catastrophic event
Exactly as these bastards planned it, once again completely predictable. We have a president who thinks he can illegally strike away our second by an executive order. How more abvious can this government get with their in your face tyranny.
TPTB are by no measure qualified to decide who is too crazy to have a gun, THEY ARE MASS MURDERERS! That son of a bitch and his handlers are responsible for at least a quarter of a million deaths but they want to take your right to defend yourself in a country that has become a cesspool of violence and poverty which IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS.
I wish that dumb bastard would try to strike the 2nd in its entirety by a kings decree, I guarantee you that would get people moving. As it is now once they get this rolling it will be another boiling frog. As it is now they will every idiot debating on who should have a gun or not. Have you seen the any of the changes to the DSM-IV? The diagnostic fits the description of the writings of raving of a lunatic in itself, Caffeine withdrawl is now a damn a mental disorder!
"The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed."
Murican guberment should give every murican a gun then we watch them all blow each other's heads off -MURICA fuck ya - one fucked up nation under God - God loves guns and loves it when muricans unload on each other - RAM tough - please don't take ma guns mr. Guberment their more important to me than air I swear -CHEVY - dang if I do ts buy ONE more gun real soon dey will alls be gone and I won't have as many as billybob - FORD - chicks n cars n the Third World War mutha fucks -MURICA - wheres ma dang confederate flag - COLT
There's only one power left on this Earth that the globalists fear.
And it ain't you and your obedient friends.
NRA created the most successful propaganda advertising campaign in history - it worked very well - MURICA bang bang
Personally, I'm not aware of any death camps run by the NRA.
Your not aware that is correct - they don't have to they let their brainwashed minions do that - they just make sure the guns are there ????
You give way too much credit to the NRA. Independent, self reliant individuals don't need lobbyists to tell them how to protect themselves or to motivate them to do so. Your problem isn't the NRA it's a hundred million American citizens.
Sounds good to me - how about you gun people work together and get the NRA dissolved ;)
I simply chose not to join. Voluntary association includes the right to voluntarily not associate. You know, it's like freedom and stuff.
Dude, I don't want to see you taking actions that you are not comfortable with.
Just comply with your masters' demands and you won't be harmed.
Dude guns don't make people powerful or free - step outside of your own mind - it's liberating ;)
The government's guns make them powerful and free. Free to trample on the little folks. How do you intend to ban guns without using government guns to enforce your tyranny?
I really ought to write that down or else I might allow its brilliant originality to escape me.
Darn, I left my pen in my "Grrrl Power versus the Mongol Horde" class.
Oh well, what were we talking about, Professor Platitude?
zero: "Dude guns don't make people powerful or free"
I think freedom fighters since the advent of the gun age have demonstrated otherwise. Why would oligarchies impose gun confiscations and bans as some of their first acts of tyranny if armed citizens didn't frighten them?
Certainly this Republic was founded at gunpoint.
Armed citizens with guns carrying out guerrilla warfare and assassinations is what oligarchies fear most.
Guns do make people powerful enough to resist and defeat oligarchies and other tyrannies. Oh yes they do!
Dont feed the trolls. lol.
Ha ha
as an nra benefactor i give you a "bugger off" from on high.
NRA Life Member, & Gun Owners of America member. That will probably cause a brain freeze for you.
Your a simpleton. I hope you get what you wish for, your very likely to find out why the founders were afraid that we would one day become defenseless at the hands of mass murdering juggernaut. Go read a few history books and while your at it go pat your beloved president on the back for the incredible suffering he has dealt to those in the ME and the Ukraine while he feigns giving a shit about mass shootings. It's always fun and games when the destruction and blood shed seems far far away.
Sounds like you are a frustrated metro democrat tard? Its ok, barry will take care of you.
I do not remember seeing street punks, college freshmen, drug addicts, gang members, black lives matter groupies, or community organizers at any gun shows that I have been to.
I have.
They walk up and down the rows of cars looking for unlocked doors and purses under the seat.
Inside the building? Nah. They'd need cash, not EBT, to get inside.
Are you as fucking stupid as you sound - fuck me no wonder you people have created one FUCKED UP cuntry
The President is also planning on making himself immortal via Executive Order as well as fixing his golf game and making Michelle Antoinette pretty. Okay, he'll settle for anything that's an improvement over that "Get Off My Lawn" look she always has.
OK. How about this one? (A domestic version of ISIL)
Inflame the public by threatening gun control, thereby driving up gun sales and further arming the citizenry.
One theory:
The more guns in possession of the populace, the quicker we will annilate each other when TSHTF per Agenda 21 objectives of depopulation.
How about another theory?:
A more deadly NWO response can be justified, since everyone has guns.
Just sayin"
I'm sure they've kicked those ideas around a bit. Maybe farmed them out to a think tank or five.
And I'm sure they've gotten a response that basically says there are too many uncontrollable variables to be able to craft a scenario with a high enough probability of success.
So they go back to the think tanks and tell them to keep guessing until they come up with the right answer.
That theory might work except for the fact that there has been a chronic govenment induced shortage of ammunition for years. I could see them starting something that makes people run through their consumables though.
Ammo is expensive and people have to wait and nobody has done a damn thing about it. Who is taking all of the ammo.... organizations like the Post Office. Not only that but people are complaining of defective ammo causing barrel damage etc.
They still have have all of the bullets they need to kill innocent people though so it's okay.
I hate to tell you this, but at least down south, it is NOTHING to have 3-4-5-6 thousand rounds of ammo in a stash ...ready to go, and I certainly haven't seen any difficulty getting ammo, although at a higher price, except for the elusive brick of 22LR.
It's just that everything the government is doing these is so screwed up that even these seemingly crazy scenarios at least give me pause to think...you know, I wonder if...
Correct Hubbs. No a house in my neighborhood has under 10K rounds in various calibers ...
22LR is coming back. Just my observation.
+1 on the theories dude. Nothing gets people cramming down firearms and ammo like a good 2nd amendment threat. Makes one wonder if the behavior of the average Joe is EXACTLY what was expected. And that begs the question of why? Is WWIII about to land on our doorstep? In there an internal SHTF thing that is about to occur (demographics of the gun sales matter). etc. Anyone not asking these questions is not critical thinking.
Probably too late to comment but but how much of that did you own previously (rhetorical question)? It hasn't just been 22LR, 556 rounds, 9mm, occasionally 30-06, powder and primers for those that shoot skeet have been in chronic shortage for years as well.
There were a couple of years you had to damn near suck somebodies dick to get skeet supplies, it is a little better now. You are only allowed so much and have to wait forever.
Guns for Mexican Drug Cartels: GOOD
Guns For Americans: BAD
Did I score 100% Barry?
If its not clear to you whos side Obama is on by now.... IDK what to tell you lol dude might as well hang an Isis flag on the white house, I mean he really cant make it any clearer.
Obama Check List
-Destroy American Economy -CHECK
-Arm Terrorists -CHECK
-Free all the head terrorists from military prisons -CHECK
-Destabilize govts in the middle east fighting terrorists -CHECK
-Bailout the bankers -CHECK
-Golf -CHECK
-Persecute and hunt down whistle-blowers -CHECK
You dont even have to try with Obama, he just commits treason out in the open lol
No one even wants the dude to visit their state because hes an embarrassment, other world leaders wont even recognize him/shake his hand.
All you can do is sit back with some popcorn and laugh at the current situation and wait for his term to be over.
Right before "Arm Terrorists - CHECK" I'd insert: "Attempts to Disarm Americans - CHECK"
"Guns for Mexican Drug Cartels: GOOD
Guns For Americans: BAD"
You forgot...
Guns for moderate terrorists: GOOD
Hey, if I register as being a moderate extremist with ISIS, can I get a free Toyota pickup loaded with a .50 cal setup in the back? That would rock.
How about disarming other countries first, before you disarm your own.
O wait Obama exports guns to terrorists in Syria for a living lol
hmm whats going on here?
Obama has armed/wants to arm radical nutjobs in the middle east, while disarming sensible Americans? looks like some kind of terrorist long-play strategy if you ask me.
It seems to me the TSA checkpoints for explosives' residue should be (in the abstract) jammed by the millions of Americans fiddling around with their pistols, rifles, gunpwoder, and such.
Why would anyone that considers themselves to be a Patriot still be flying?
I don't volunteer to have my junk fondled or the space behind my nutsack xray'd by agents of the oligarchy.
I don't fly. Never.
If enough Patriotic citizens would do this the airlines would force the enemies of liberty out of the airports for the sake of customer convenience.
BREAKING: President bans all bridges in order to fight mental depression.
Obama should know better. It's the people behind not the guns that kill. Kunduz hospital, remember?
Can you hear a RINO fall over in a room full of Plutocrats?
Keep talking "gun control" while everyone that currently owns the guns, stock up on ammo!
gun contol?...too late!
Hang the nigger.
If we can't hang that nigger from an old oak tree,
it's time to get on a bus
forget about the US
put the blame on the hebes...
if we can't hang that nigger from an old oak tree...
Arm ISIS/alQuida/alNusra terrorists, disarm law abiding citizens. Smart idiocy.!
Seems to me that the gun control debate boils down to three options:
1) Fully outlaw guns entirely so nobody can possess them.
2) Partially outlaw guns so only certain people can possess them, and only in approved areas.
3) Fully legalize guns for all people in all areas, aka the old west.
The first option obviously doesn't work, as borne out by our not too distant past.
The second option currently isn't working either, as shown by the crazy ass pharmashooticals going off in gun free zones, or the felony convict that scored his piece to blow away his ex wife from Slick Eddie down on the corner, or the other countless examples.
That leaves the third option, and as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote, "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." (Or in this case, the answer)
If option 3 is taken as self evident, then maybe we can turn our attention to ways we can mitigate the risks of full legality, ie. thru tech, education, whatever. Wouldn't be perfect, but it'd be better than the shitty compromise we have now, that combines the worst elements of options 1 and 2.
This tells me one thing; the Dollar is about to go kaput. Get your PM's now. the day is late.
Don't forget your beans & rice, and lead packed in brass.
Oh thank Goodness this will save Chicago for sure!
That made me laugh! Thanks!
ADOLPH OBAMA
Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals would require disarming CIA, H&W, The Weather Bureau, Capital Police, Dept. of Transportation, Social Securtiy Admin., TSA, FBI, BATF,DCIS,DIA, DHS,DEA,ICE, FPS,US MARSHALLS,NCIS,USPIS,SECRET SERVICE, BDS,AID,DOA,DOC,DOE,DOD,HHS,HUD, DOJ,EPA,EEOC,NASA,OPM,RRB,SSA,TREAS,VA,.
What kind of paranoia or mindset exists that virtually every US .gov agency is an armed agency? Who is it that they fear? Why?
Damn, one could make some very good shekels doing that as a business...
Sorry, but I just cannot resist….
Russia Adopts Concealed Carry (2014)
We’ve talked to great lengths about the inversion of international influence between the US and Russia. It’s beginning to border on the surreal. Russia is about to relax its gun laws. And not by just a little. After the reforms, they’ll make some US jurisdictions look positively Soviet.
And interesting to mention that, at one time, under the tzars, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. It wasn’t until the Communists got into power that the people in the Soviet empire saw their right to self-defense begin to deteriorate. This is changing now. Putin rightly understands that an armed populace will both deter foreign invaders and reduce the threat of domestic criminality.
As if to punctuate the point, President Vladimir Putin, speaking at the United People's Front said: "You can get a lot more done with politeness and a weapon than with politeness alone."
Lead by example, Obomber. First have every weapon held by everyone in federal, state and local government turned over to "the people" (the supposed ultimate authority in the USA).
This must include everyone in at every level in every agency, plus military, etc.
Then have everyone who works for the fiction called "government" sign and swear that agrees they will never pick up a weapon ever again.
Then...
Well, that's all.
As far as defense from anyone who might want to invade the fiction called the "nation"... the people will take care of that, if and when they decide such action is appropriate.
You and everyone else in government can now retire... and leave people alone. ALL people, everywhere on the globe.
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Oh, and by the way. You and your fellow predators who "work for government" kill many, many, many times more humans than people not part of the fiction called "government". Think about that, sometime.
If Obama wants to control our guns, we get to control his weapons. He has bombed one hospital too many.
these articles are pointless. the fed gov will eventually go after the guns. it has to if it wants to survive...so buckle up.
. . . . after the December 2012 Sandy Hook murders . . .
What murders in Sandy Hook?? There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that ANYONE was shot, let alone killed, during the "Sandy Hook" incident. In fact, one of the kids that was supposedly murdered at Sandy Hook, little "Noah Posner", ended up supposedly being murdered AGAIN (exact same kid, only a different name) - this time in Pakistan where a bunch of Christians were supposedly killed by Muslims. Even if one were to dispute all of this, the fact that the Sandy Hook school had been closed since 2008 due to environmental contamination (asbestos and mold) should give people a clue that the whole thing was a hoax. Before anyone flames me on this at least do your own research . . . it should only take a second to do an internet search and see incontrovertible evidence that the whole thing was a set-up.
"There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that ANYONE was shot, let alone killed, during the "Sandy Hook" incident."
Yeah, there's a slight problem with the Sandy Hook Nose Hoak narrative.
Here's a start . . .
http://investmentwatchblog.com/absolute-must-see-sandy-hook-news-footage...
Go to 3:58 in this video for ANOTHER example of TPTB using the SAME crisis actors in their various "mass shooting" fantasies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWhuICsNCOc
People - you need to wake up!!
about that presidency,
Muddy Waters - You Can't Lose What You Ain't Never Had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Gh2dbPp5o (4:58)
How soon they forget. Ban knives by executive order, please.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/school-stabbing-spree/school-stabbing-s...
The elders of zion, the bolsheviks, the new bolsheviks, whatever name one wants to call them, always disarm a population before they bring in the komizars to orchestrate a mass slaughter:
-50-100 million in Russia
-50-100 million in China
-??? in USSA?
My guess... 200 million.
You really think 200 million of the 350 million in the U.S. would resist the oligarchy enough to be noticed and executed? I don't think we'd have 5 million.
Most of the population is so brainwashed now they call Patriots the terrorists.
Every year we have a million babies shredded to death by abortion in this country and nobody made a stand over that. We're at least 70 million dead shredded babies into this slaughter of the preborn. I don't see anyone stopping a baby shredding. We're arguing over how much tax money should be redistributed to the baby shredders, not about stopping anything.
Buy, or make, a crossbow. If you need a gun, put an arrow thru someone's head that has one.
Marilyn Manson - The Beautiful People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypkv0HeUvTc (3:46)
The Beautiful People Lyrics
And I don't want ya and I don't need ya
Don't bother to resist or I'll beat ya
It's not your fault that you're always wrong
The weak ones are there to justify the strong
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
It's all relative to the size of your steeple
You can't see the forest for the trees
And you can't smell your own shit on your knees
There's no time to discriminate
Hate every motherfucker that's in your way
Hey you, what do ya see?
Something beautiful or something free?
Hey you, are you trying to be mean?
You live with apes man, it's hard to be clean
The worms will live in every host
It's hard to pick which one they eat most
The horrible people, the horrible people
It's as anatomic as the size of your steeple
Capitalism has made it this way
Old-fashioned fascism will take it away
Hey you, what do ya see?
Something beautiful or something free?
Hey you, are you trying to be mean?
You live with apes man, it's hard to be clean
There's no time to discriminate
Hate every motherfucker that's in your way
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
Hey you, what do ya see?
Something beautiful or something free?
Hey you, are you trying to be mean?
You live with apes man, it's hard to be clean
Hey you, what do ya see?
Something beautiful or something free?
Hey you, are you trying to be mean?
You live with apes man, it's hard to be clean
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
The beautiful people, the beautiful people
just say yes to common sense gun laws like background checks to insure the buyer isnt going to go home and execute his family.
Common sense. That's what people say who have no common sense. How do you propose keeping bad people from doing bad things. Maybe we should outlaw murder. That should work. Outlaw knives. Gasoline or any other material that can be made into a bomb. Baseball bats unless used for hitting baseballs. Thank you asshat for your common sense.
If Mr. Obama were to ban ALL guns and criminalize private gun ownership, would he be able to guarantee not another gun related death would ever occur?? Of course not....and he knows it. All the blathering is pure political posturing preying on public emotion to further a bigger objective
The Feds have no criminal jurisdiction in the States.
A lot of people are going to die if he tries this.
I think it's cute that people think that outlawing a particular method of manufacturing particular weapons means "no guns."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWeJsaCiGQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMmXninm7Ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12fR9neVnS8
Just a few readily available videos. What's going to actually happen, is more violence and a lot more accidents with black market/homebrew weapons. We will become less safe, for sure.
You maybe.
Not me.
I keep me safe, not some troglodyte with a silly hat.
And it's been many many years since I was assaulted by a potato gun.
He missed. I didn't.
if we banned colleges and universities, there'd be no need for gun bans...but then, leftist-statist agendas couldn't be pushed forward with taxpayer funds
Interesting take on things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=jwLjFm6GMBM
Ouch.
That's gonna leave a mark.
that whittled it down to size
King Obama always gets what he wants, which is Eurorizing the US.
The govenment wants guns,
.
fact
Hmmm.
Looks like someone really doesn't like untraceable weapons.
Maybe Ricky's Gun Shop based out of the trunk of his car is going to get a little boost in business.
Because occasionally people post interesting memes on Facebook...
Came across this:
1) In the history of mankind, it only takes 3% of the population to take up arms and WIN against a TYRANNY.
2) The largest ARMY on the face of the planet, bar NONE, is the registered hunters from just four American States (and they know how to shoot and stalk).
So I felt some research was needed and came across this from 2011.
There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin alone. Allow me to restate that number. Over the last several months, Wisconsin's hunters became the Eighth Largest Army in the World. More men under arms than in Iran . More than in France and Germany combined. These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.
That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan 's 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.
Standard Disclaimer: Given Obama is possibly the greatest gun salesman over the last seven years, one can only imagine how large that army is now.
Do you think gun grabbing is actually going to work?
cheech: "2) The largest ARMY on the face of the planet, bar NONE, is the registered hunters from just four American States"
Great numbers of those hunters vote 'big government'. They're no threat really. I do wish it was different.
And it's not the shotguns that the oligarchy wants.
There are good reasons armies aren't armed with shotguns, primarily ineffective combat range.
Those are the numbers for registered deer hunters. I don't know about you, but I use a .30-06 rifle with a scope when I hunt deer.
Standard Disclaimer: The Biden is strong in this one...
The largest army on earth needs to show up at their next city council meeting and voice their concerns. It's a matter of numbers. The sheer numbers is overwhelming. Maybe not in the movies called our 6 o'clock news but if there was several hundred people all with their eyes on me, I'd be prepared to try to give them what they want since I am their elected and paid leader. Otherwise, it is taxation without representation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFuwJq2iPbk
Redlands, Calif show up and state their concerns. For the record.
These are typically deer hunters - 30.06, 308, 7mm, etc ... typically with a scope. Different season for 'slug' shotgun.
i do not know a single hunter that does not also have AR's and handguns.
BINGO!
Dude, you are clueless. Those American Deer hunters own many hunting rifles like a Remington 700 BDL is 300 Win Mag with 3X9 or 4X16 scope, along with AR-15 & AR-10s. The average American Deer hunter owns many firearms. The number one long gun sold in the U.S. today since Barry Soetoro occupied POTUS is the AR-15
Have you ever seen what a 12 Ga slug does to a deer?
LEOs, not the U.S. Army, nor NATO will ever disarm the American people. BTW none of these groups want to disarm the American people. The U.N. wants this to create their NWO, but that isn't going to happen either.
The expert panel of Stalin, Hitler, Qaddaffi, Mao, Tojo, Hussein, and Obama agree. Gun control works.
Biggest Governments partnered with Corporations are fascist.
The Environmental Protection Agency has spent millions of dollars over the last decade on military-style weapons to arm its 200 “special agents” to fight environmental crime.
Among the weapons purchased are guns, body armor, camouflage equipment, unmanned aircraft, amphibious assault ships, radar and night-vision gear and other military-style weaponry and surveillance activities, according to a new report by the watchdog group Open the Books.
“Protecting the environment just got real. With millions of dollars spent on military style weaponry, the EPA is now literally ensconced with all institutional force,” said Adam Andrzejewski, founder of Open the Books and the author of the report.
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“Our report discovered that when the EPA comes knocking they are armed with a thousand lawyers, arrest/criminal data, credit, business and property histories, plus a ‘Special Agent’ with the latest in weaponry and technology,” Mr. Andrzejewski added.
The agency spends nearly $75 million each year for criminal enforcement, including money for a small militia of 200 “special agents” charged with fighting environmental crime.
Congress granted police powers to the EPA in 1988, during the Reagan administration.
How many people die in the US each year from drugs (illegal and prescription) in the US? I'll give you a hint... A lot! and not a single word from our beloved leader on that.
I was curious about the link between SSRIs and violence so I did a search on google scholar... Ended up getting a fair amount of hits. How come they never mention if any of these shooters are on SSRIs?
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=ssri%2Bviolence&hl=en&as_sd...
Fake but just the same, big pharma could lose big on implication their drugs send people into a frenzy.
This is what a REAL school shooting looks like:
Columbine school shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go4U99We-eU
Gun control = Caliphate
Single moms .... and absent fathers .... are more deadly than guns !
Niggers create slavery !
If income tax is racist .... graduated income tax is genocidal !
Can any of you see what the broader picture is? The LAW (GCA of 1968 and amendments) is in fact an (UNCONSTITUTIONAL) extension of the (taxing) power to tax and thus regulate the movement (commerce) and possesion of an object subject to a privilege excise tax. Does no one understand how government operates under the constitution????
Manufactureres and dealers are ingaged in an activity that would be classified by the courts as a taxable (FFL) business/occupational privilege affecting the health saftey and second amendment rights NOT possessed by the licensee. The feds have the ENUMERATED POWER to TAX (excise) the firearm. But how is this to be accomplished? What would be NECESSARY and PROPER the achieve this end? The PROPERTY must be identified and tracked as it moves in COMMERCE to insure the EXCISE is collected at every step of the way. the BATF is an ADMINISTRATIVE agency originally under the DEPT of TREASURY. For fuck sake. SUMMARY ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL OF THE TAXABLE PROPERTY MOVING IN COMMERCE INVOLVING A FEDERAL EXCISE AND STATE POLICE POWER REGULATION OF THE BUSINESS. The federal taxing power is an exclusive function of the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH which means HANDS OFF to the judiciary under separation of powers. Also the taxation and summary control over the property moving in commerce PRE EMTS State police powers.
So ask yourself. WHY does the federal government continue the power to regulate the PROPERTY under its COMMERCE POWERS once the CITIZEN takes possession???? GO back to the federal gun control acts requirements and look at the BATF form you must fill out. TRANSFER of a firearm. WOW!!!! The term TRANSFER legally involves a taxable PRIVILEGE. Movement of a taxable item between Manufacturerer and Dealer. An ACTIVITY that falls outside the protections of the second amendment. NOW the LAW as written requires the PROPERTY to be RE TRANSFERED between DEALER and YOU under these exact same summary administrative powers that are NOT qualified by the second amendment thereby EXTENDING the FEDERAL JURISDICTION to YOU when you take MERE POSSESSION. DO YOU THINK THE COURTS OF LAW AND EQUITY GIVE TWO FUCKING SHITS WHO IS SUBJECT TO THESE SUMMARY ADMINISTRATIVE POWERS ALONG THE CHAIN OF TRANSFER??????
Which brings me to the Executive branch and our beloved dictator in chief. LOOK at the LAW (federal ACT) and then understand that the LAW invoves a PLENARY LEGISLATIVE POWER that the courts cannot and will not interfere with EVER!!!! A power that is NOT qualified by the second amendment. Obama looks at the language of the statute and then determines what the law allows him to do (administrative discretion) and then does it through SUMMARY EXECUTIVE ORDER. And WHAT is the function of the courts??? They look at the LAW and determine IF the executive action is within the discretion granted by the legislative ACT. Limitations of the second amendment are BYPASSED and are irrelevent.
YOU do not own your firearms as property is defined, understood, and protected by the courts under the protections of the second amendment period. You merely possess them and they are subject to SUMMARY SIEZURE AND FORFITURE LAWS OUTSIDE OF SUBSTANTIAL JUDICIAL REVIEW.
Am i the only one that gets it????
Same principle as auto registation. You surrender the ownership to the state when you buy that surrender sticker.
But if at some point things become so insane that confiscation of weapons is attempted, it'll not go well for .gov.
Yes you are close. Another unconstitutional clusterfuck created by brilliant government lawyers. The courts recognized long ago that business/occupational USE of the publics right of ways could be PROHIBITED altogether or allowed as a PRIVILEGE. The public itself, however, had an anaienable PROPERTY RIGHT in common use. For those that actually have a lawful relationship to an actual privilege (as set forth by the courts) those that access that privilege must turn themselves and their property over to what ever regulations are set forth by the legislature as a condition precedent of that EXTRA ORDINARY USE. The power to regulate is founded on the power to prohibit therefore those regs pose a POLITICAL QUESTION UPON THE COURTS. Regulation consists of an admixture of taxing and police powers. The PROPERTY being used or employed on the publics way must be statuatorily CLASSIFIED and identified for purposes of TAXATION and SUMMARY ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL.
So what the fuck does this have to do with the RIGHT of the PUBLIC to COMMON USE and the RIGHT to maintain absolute ownership and control over their automobiles?? Nothing, yet everything. And this is how the SCAM works. Look to your State statutes. The TITLE requirements stand separate from the licensing requirements. Under the GUISE of the police powers to reduce fraud and theft, the State requires all vehicles to be titled. The vehicle then becomes a MOTOR VEHICLE. A MOTOR VEHICLE as a matter of Law and FACT designates PROPERTY being employed or used as a TAXABLE PRIVILEGE on the publics ways. NEXT go to the States licensing Statute. YOU must have a LICENCE in order to OPERATE a MOTOR VEHICLE. Hence the STATE PREEMPTS THE RIGHT OF COMMON USE BY RECLASSIFYING YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY THEREBY ASSUMMING EXTRAORDINARY AND SUMMARY ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL OVER THE PROPERTY (WAIVER) AND THEN USES THAT EXTRAORDINARY CONTROL TO DECLARE YOU SHALL NOT USE IT UNLESS YOU ARE LICENSED.
And now the Public has NO property in the common use of its property. HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE CLASSIFIED AND REGULATED AS A MERE TRESPASSER ON YOU OWN PROPERTY??? This IS TREASON and a BREACH OF THE PUBLIC TRUST INVOLVING CONVERSION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY BEFORE THE ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP TO A BONAFIDE PRIVILEGE IS ESTABLISHED.
The registration you mention is an operation of the States taxing powers that proves the tax has been paid on the motor vehicle
Molon Labe! Period!
Molon Labe, is the only thing the American people need to say to the dictators of the world. If the 100's of millions of gun owners stick together on this freedom, then we can stay free.
This article, and the replies to this thread - are a MAJOR FAIL.
This issue is NOT about gun ownership.
The issue is NOT about the NRA.
The issue is NOT about citizens' rights.
The ISSUE is this ... why are our students DEAD in our schools, and how come America can't even get its act together enough to protect its own school children?????
There is no point in us pretending that we are some kind of world superpower. If we can't protect the kids in our own schools, we shouldn't be talking about wars with ISIS and Al Qaeda.
The communist democrats, & NWO order elites use these events to push their PSYOPS & PROPAGANDA, to push their gun confiscation. GUN FREE ZONES are used by the eliites to brainwash the youth of America, that guns are bad, and that they can only be protected in GUN FREE ZONES.
However those statements and psyops that GUN FREE ZONES are your only safe place, are a TOTAL FRICKEN DEADLY LIE, FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD TO SEE!
Long live the 2nd AMENDMENT, long live the NRA, and long live Gun Owners of America!
Name the last shooting at a gun show…
Every time Obama shouts “gun control” I buy another gun. With this last purchase I need another gun safe…