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Clinton Considers Mandatory Gun "Buy-Backs" - Ignites Confiscation Concerns

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Just days after talk of President Obama's gun control executive orders, and following a disappointing showing at the Democrat Debate, Hillary Clinton has jumped back on the populist bandwagon suggesting that, as Fox reports, it is "worth looking into" mandatory gun buy-back programs like ones in Australia.  "This validates what the NRA has said all along," said Chris Cox, executive director of The NRA, with Clinton's comments making “very clear” that the underlying goal of gun-control advocates is confiscation.

As Fox News reports,

Hillary Clinton said Friday that mandatory gun buy-back programs like ones in Australia are “worth looking into,” sparking criticism that the Democratic presidential front-runner would, if elected, impose gun-confiscation efforts.

 

Clinton made the comments during a campaign stop in Keene, N.H., when an attendee asked about Australia’s 1996 and 2003 buy-back programs that collected roughly 700,000 banned semi-automatic rifles and other firearms. 

 

“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level, if that could be arranged,” Clinton responded.

“This validates what the NRA has said all along,” said Chris Cox, executive director of the National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action. “The real goal of gun control supporters is gun confiscation.”

Cox said Clinton’s comments echo recent ones by President Obama, making “very clear” that the underlying goal of gun-control advocates is confiscation.

 

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"Hillary Clinton just doesn’t get it," Cox said. "The NRA’s strength lies in our five million members and the tens of millions of voters who support the Second Amendment.

 

"A majority of Americans support this freedom, and the Supreme Court was absolutely right to hold that the Second Amendment guarantees the fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms," he added. "Hillary Clinton's extreme views are completely out of touch with the American people."

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As a reminder, there is no correlation between murder rates and gun ownership/control...

 

Of course, when someone points out the lack of a correlation here, gun-control advocates are quick to jump in and say "but you didn't control for this" and "you didn't control for that." That's true. But what I do show here is that the situation is much more complicated than one would think from absurd claims like "states with fewer guns have fewer murders" and so on. Apparently, claims that new gun laws are commonsensical can't be true if the relationship between gun laws and murder rates require us to adjust for half a dozen different variables. In fact, by looking at the data, I could imagine any number of other factors that might be more likely a determinant of the murder rate than gun ownership.

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As we noted previously, The Democratic Party's focus on guns has drawn fierce criticism from Republican White House hopefuls, who largely say mental health, and not gun control, is the correct policy response. They say Democrats are using the shootings to roll back Second Amendment rights.

Meanwhile, just like in 2012, the threat of more gun control is having just the opposite effect of what the president intends, and as we reported earlier this week, gun sales are soaring in the aftermath of the most recent cluster of shootings. In fact, "gun sales this year could surpass the record set in 2013, when gun purchases surged after the December 2012 Sandy Hook murders."

In the first nine months of this year, 15.6m of the background checks needed to purchase guns from federally licensed sellers have been processed, compared with the 15.5m applications in the same period in 2013, according to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

Why the surge? Simple: "Once the public hears the president on the news say we need more gun controls, it tends to drive sales,” said Mr Hyatt, who owns one of the largest gun retailers in the US. "People think, if I don’t get a gun now, it might be difficult to get one in the future. The store is crowded."

Because if you want something to be truly broken, just invite the government to "fix" it. Which is not to say that everyone is a loser - two clear winners from Obama's repeated attempts to enforce gun control are shown in the chart below.

 

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Mon, 10/19/2015 - 00:22 | 6684078 Teh Finn
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Look at state laws on automatic knives.  Heck even legal knife lengths for carry.  How the f did we ever get this far?  If I want to hit the hottest eyebrow threading salon wearing a khyber or kukri on my belt, what would be an argument against that?  Oh no, you can only have a manual folder less than 3.85" long sharpened on one side.  WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 00:57 | 6684115 El Vaquero
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When the laws get stupid, well fuck you, you're on your own. 

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 20:30 | 6683466 Whatta
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Note to Hillary Clinton. I have guns....ain't giving them up. No way, no how. Especially for your skank self that should be in prison anyway. LOL...the inmate Hillary is telling the guards to give up their guns...irony. Don't tread on me.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 20:44 | 6683525 JamaicaJim
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FUCK YOU CUNTARLY CLINTON YOU FUCKING WHORE/LIAR/SELL OUT ASSHOLE.

 

I truly hope she is is shot dead......COME ON....WHERE ARE THE CRAZIES?????

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 20:54 | 6683560 Shadow1275
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Take my guns if you dare you socialist pieces of scum. Enemies of Liberty and advocates of big government are enemies of progress and individualism. Pound Sand Fascists!

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:08 | 6683618 JimS
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Molon Labe

 

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 20:59 | 6683582 FightingtheFed
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The Jews/Commies really want those guns badly from law abiding Americans... I wonder why?? lol

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:00 | 6683585 Omega_Man
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I think Obama will beat her to it... what do you think?

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:01 | 6683597 homiegot
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He's too much of a pussy. He'd rather drone you.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:00 | 6683586 homiegot
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You'll 'buy' it alright if you try to confiscate my guns.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:16 | 6683637 Grimaldus
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"Hillary Clinton said Friday that mandatory gun buy-back programs like ones in Australia are “worth looking into,”

 

I don't know how it would be possible to be MOAR un-American that that.

The Constitution is the law. American gun rights are acknowledged in law to be given by a higher authority than law. Hillary is openly conspiring to break the law. As does Obirdbrain and the rest of the progressive criminals infesting the FEDGOV.

Considering Hilary's long history of felony crime in addition to her crimes against humanity (Libya, Syria, Ukraine) I am really not surprised.  It takes a cold blooded mass murdering tyrant to propose what she has.

Hillary, Feinstien, Obirdbrain, Bloomberg, LTER and the rest of the progressive criminal tyrants should declare themselves and their family's gun-free zones. Let see how that works first.

 

Grimaldus

 

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:10 | 6683960 NoWayJose
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Next thing you'll be telling me is that 'marriages' are between a husband and wife! The single biggest fear for the 2nd Amendment is to switch out two conservative judges for two liberal judges. The do nothing Republucan a Congress has not stopped any appointments, so don't laugh! A Supreme Court with 6 libs could turn the 2nd amendment on its ear.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:24 | 6683666 Bill of Rights
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After wasting 10 minutes of my life scanning this thread, Ive come to the collusion its nothing but one big cunt fest...

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:37 | 6683711 CHoward
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Saying is one thing.  Doing is another.

 

Both have consequences.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:41 | 6683720 arrowrod
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If hillery wins, two more supreme court appointments, along with soda my ear, will rule that the second amendment gives the states the right arm themselves.  Cause everybody knows, the bill of rights is only for states rights and using muskets.  Or, somethin'.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:42 | 6683725 SillySalesmanQu...
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It's time to make stand...Its time for all good men and women, to come to the aid of their country. Come and TRY to get them.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:44 | 6683732 VW Nerd
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Would bringing back cruel and unusual punishemnt help???  Maybe if we televise it??

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:47 | 6683741 Bunga Bunga
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Decentralization of power works only, if everyone can have a gun.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:48 | 6683743 are we there yet
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I would consider a law that would ban politicians, their families, or their staff from owning guns as a perquisite for considering public gun control.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:56 | 6683745 TheRideNeverEnds
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I literally just came from the shooting range, burned off all my older mismatched pistol ammo. As usual I saw people of all colors, men and women about equally represented enjoying the sport of shooting. Every single person there had a loaded gun and knew how to use it yet mysteriously nobody even got shot let alone died.

I can put 13 rounds of 45 center mass rapid fire out to 10 yards every time and all in the black out to 25 shooting nearly as fast as I can pull the trigger. I say this because I am not alone. There were little girls there putting em in the ten ring at ten yards on their first trip to the range. (Girls seem to always do the best as day one shooters for some reason). America loves guns and they will start a war if they try to take them. I say let hill-dog be the first one in the door when they go door to door trying to confiscate them.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:05 | 6683784 22winmag
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Chicks and old folks always seem well-represented at the local ranges!

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:26 | 6683849 Teh Finn
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always always always talk to the older folks.  Their experience and wisdom are priceless.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:50 | 6683747 Who was that ma...
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Every living thing has a natural right to defend itself.  The rose has its thorns, the bee has its stinger, the snake its fangs, the tiger its teeth and its claws, and so on.  If you de-claw a cat it becomes helpless, defenseless and easy prey.  It would be great if there were no guns in the world but, there ARE guns and, as long as there are, just as the elephant has a natural right to its tusks, I have a natural right to a means to defend myself against those who would do me or my loved ones harm but it's not only a natural right, it is my duty, a part of my job description as a husband and a father, to protect and defend my property, my family, and myself under all circumstances.  For those reasons, it isn't that I merely WANT my gun, I am ENTITLED to my gun, and I will HAVE my gun.  It is my natural right.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:51 | 6683750 ToSoft4Truth
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Well, that egg is cracked.  Revolution at dawn, right?

 Government learned how to manage during Jade Helm and locally with Ferguson.   

Wait until a couple of hundred gun owners are tossed into jail or splattered by the local sniper department.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 00:42 | 6684101 JR
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There is a complete news blackout on The Jade Helm Three who were arrested in early August after allegedly preparing to defend themselves in response to the Jade Helm 15 military employment.

The purpose of this arrest, IMO, was to put a chill on any attempts by the American people to resist their government chains. The trio was accused of allegedly attempting to make live hand grenades from inert ones purchased legally at a military surplus store, and being in possession of explosive pipe bomb making materials.

In addition, Mark Kozen with the U.S. Marshals Service testified  that investigators found a ‘bugout bag,’ a pack with survival supplies to last a person 72 hours.”

At this point, the only updates I can find are the August 6 report from the Shelby Star (N.C.) and August 12 report in the Belmont (NC) Banner News. The FBI's investigation stems from tips provided by a CHS (confidential human source). 

It appears that the three -- Walter Eugene Litteral,  Christopher James Barker, and Christopher Todd Campbell -- were in federal court for bond hearings and were refused bail. Attorneys for Barker and Campbell waived the procedure, and the men were taken back into custody without bail. Litteral’s attorney, J.P. Davis, moved forward with the hearing. “Wearing leg chains, Litteral waved to family members in the courtroom before being taken back to jail in Charlotte.”

U.S. Magistrate Judge David Cayer is hearing the case. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney and Senior Litigation Counsel Michael E. Savage of the Western District of North Carolina.

The government legal army the three face includes the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) of which the North Carolina Highway Patrol, the Federal Air Marshal Service, the Homeland Security Investigations, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department are members, assisted by Acting U.S. Attorney Rose and the Belmont Police Department, the Mount Holly Police Department, Gaston County Police Department, the Gastonia Police Department, and the Mecklenburg County Sheriff’s office.

http://www.shelbystar.com/article/20150806/NEWS/150809387/3878/FRONTPAGE

http://banner-news.com/gaston-trio-accused-of-weapons-and-explosives-violations-remain-in-jail-p1792-71.htm

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:56 | 6684935 Abaco
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The only way this goes to trial is if it is a psyop and .gov wants to intimidate people.  Otherwise the skank eating judge will continue to deny bail (unlawfully) and the "accused" will be tortured in jail until they break and accept a plea agreement. SOP for the fed 'justice" system which is one of the single most corrupt group of people in the country.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:55 | 6683760 10mm
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Time for a fight people.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 21:57 | 6683764 hotrod
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Let it go VIRAL   Hillary or Joe Biden will seek to confiscate your personal protection.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:01 | 6683775 Bloodstock
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So it takes them years to find OSB after letting him get away several times. Go to war for years in smaller, weaker countries. Say they can't deport a few million illegals. But they want you to believe they can confiscate the guns from a million plus Americans. So the American people are buying more guns so they can just give them back, lol. Not likely. 

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:03 | 6683781 iAmerican
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Hundreds of millions of "us," tens of thousands of "them."

God is our Sovereign, Satan is theirs.

Death for Treason

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:10 | 6683795 10mm
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Any confiscation will be by outside assistance eventually. 

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:14 | 6683808 ToSoft4Truth
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The thing of it is, gun owners will be lawfully arrested.  Much of it will be done away from the television eye.    Ferguson is clear proof. 

Zombie Con got hit earlier, shot fired.

Look at this:

Pastor kills brick-wielding man during church service

Violence marred a church service Sunday when a man with a brick attacked the pastor, who whipped out his Glock handgun and fired several shots, killing the man, Detroit police said.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/10/18/past...

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:14 | 6683812 taopraxis
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Mandatory buyback? Stupid idea even if you favor gun control...like cash for clunkers. Banning guns is like banning drugs, i.e., just widens black market profit margins.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:17 | 6683818 Dre4dwolf
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If everyone just had a gun it would be better.

90% of people with guns would only shoot people who deserve to get shot....

 

But considering govt fucks the 99% for the benefit of the 1% all the time, it isn't surprising that they are trying to doit again with bogus gun laws.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:36 | 6683875 taopraxis
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Nothing is good for everyone: How many people want to volunteer to give their teenager a fat wad of cash, a bottle of scotch, a gun and the keys to their new 400hp sports car?

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:04 | 6683947 Armed Resistance
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This is an idiotic statement. Should cash be outlawed? Some are lobbying for it. Scotch? Tried that before and it didn't work. How about inefficient cars? Al Gore thinks so.

How about we use a little common sense here. And to answer your question directly, you can give my teenager all of those things. She'll prudently save the cash, and give the gun, scotch and sports car to her dad because he already likes/owns those things.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:15 | 6683966 taopraxis
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Glad to hear your kid is wise beyond her years but that is not the norm otherwise the armies would be out of business.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:56 | 6684026 Dre4dwolf
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Even if the proverbial teenager took the cash, the booze, the gun and the car, and went out in the middle of nowhere (say a saltlake) and started doing 190mph drunk throwing money out the window while firing an ak47 in the air.

What is wrong with that?

Whats wrong with having a little fun?

Why is everyone such a party pooper.

If you have it, flaunt it, fuck the haters.

People preaching responsibility while we live in a world that completely lacks responsibility on the macro scale... lol the irony. . . .  world leaders dropping bombs on hospitals and these pussies care about drunk teenagers like "thats the real problem" pffft

Fucking idiots.

 

News Flash the entire point of being young is to break the rules so that old people realize how idiotic their rules are in the first place.

 

Its funny to see.

On one side you have people afraid that people will take away their rights and spoil their fun.

On the other-side you have people trying to take away others rights and fun/toys because they are afraid.

 

Fear seems to be winning.

Its time the world said a giant "Fuck You" to fear.

 

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself, seems to resonate here, im pretty sure any law passed out of fear is probably a bad law, stop reacting and start responding, if you are getting shot at, shoot back.

 

 

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:32 | 6683866 Duc888
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How about we raise like 100K and stick this asshole into an institution for the rest of her natural life?

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:38 | 6683879 Sizzurp
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Hillary's desperation for power is starting to show.  She is literally willing to do or say anything to get that throne.  Her hubris has taken her over the edge, and she proves what 2nd amendment advocates have been arguing for so long.  The aim of the left is flat out confiscation, not so called "reasonable gun laws".  At least their position is now out of the closet and in the open for all to see.  If Shakespeare were around today, Lady Macbeth would have a new name.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:47 | 6683906 Teh Finn
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She is 67 now.  She'd be 73 at the end of her first term.  ancient.  senile.  decrepit.  There is no way that liver is holding out that long.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:10 | 6683954 10mm
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I no my liver won't. No nursing home shit, no yogurt,no living long age. Sucker shit. Walk into a nursing home,see what eating right, longevity gets you. I look at those occupants, sad.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 03:47 | 6684225 dreadnaught
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you mean dusty, cobwebbed and hanging dry and loose in Jan 2017

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:56 | 6683925 taopraxis
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Hillary is clearly the chosen one, i.e., the puppet-in-waiting, but why anyone would lend credibility to what she says is beyond my comprehension.

People talk about Fed speeches every day, too. I simply fail to get that. The Fed has been claiming they were going to normalize policy for the past half-dozen years and it has always been patently obvious that they were lying about having an exit plan. Their only exit plan is to pretend to have an exit plan.

Nevertheless, every damn day I read, "The Fed may raise...next time."

Okay, sure, whatever...

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:33 | 6684003 FrankDieter
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The cartel pummeling gold down $6 so far this evening.

F'n cartel bastards can go straight to hell.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:48 | 6683911 Kreditanstalt
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"From my cold, dead fingers", yes...

But..."gun buybacks"??   Something like FDR's "gold buyback" of 1933?

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:07 | 6683955 taopraxis
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No one who wanted to keep their gold sold it back to the government in 1933 and no one went to prison because there was no realistic way to enforce that gold buyback. Gold was demonetized but it was not banned. Certain forms of bullion, e.g., gold double-eagles, were restricted but the law was loaded with loopholes. No one came and grabbed your grandmother's wedding band off her hand. Numismatic coins remained free of restrictions. Small denomination eagles were not restricted. No one went to prison for owning gold. The whole gold confiscation thing is just a scare tactic.

Gold no longer circulates as regular coinage. The governments of today will go after cash in bank accounts, not gold. How do I know that? Because the banks are where the money is. The vast majority of ordinary Americans hold zero ounces of gold bullion, i.e., nothing. They would have no idea where to even buy gold bulion. I've been trading gold for over thirty years...gold is not going to go away, trust me. It's the paper that is going to disappear, in my opinion.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:49 | 6684027 SSRI Junkie
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yep

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:50 | 6683914 Paracelsus
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Um,you are free to factcheck me but I think I read that the weapon Martin Bryant used

at the Port Arthur shooting,CAR-15,had been confiscated during a police raid (NSW?)

and listed as destroyed.It grew fins and swam,crawled its' way down to a gun shop

 in Hobart.This has never been satisfactorily explained because it would show the

Australian authorities as culpable in the act.For Ms. Clinton to use this for her agenda

shows very poor taste ( she is a lawyer after all ) and brings into question her

 suitability for high office.Bash the NRA all you want but it is a fact that many law

abiding citizens around the world have successfully defended themselves and their

families through the trained usage of firearms.Cigarettes kill far more but that would

not be an attention getter.More laws? We see how the repeal of Glass-Steagall worked

for Wall Street,don't we Hillary? IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT....

Suppose the passengers on the 9-11 jets had firearms,with non ballistic ammo?

Suppose the students at all these universities (or 1 in 10) had a pistol?

Suppose OJ's wife had been armed?

The police have as much admitted they cannot be everywhere,and rely on the public

for information and court testimony for the system to work.

I think what we are seeing is a very lame duck politician getting her knickers in a twist

(read that PANIC) about Trumps popularity at the polls.

Go ahead,punish the innocent as well as the guilty.

This reminds me of Stanley Kubricks "Full metal Jacket",the scene where the Drill

Instructor finds the jelly donut,and punishes the entire barracks collectively.

By the way I was living in Australia at the time of the gun confiscation and I can

tell you it was not 100% popular.The press is tightly controlled by two families

and the internet is also closely monitored.

One final point: I don't remember these shootings happening in the 60's and 70's...

I agree with other posters here that there is a common factor of prescription drugs

which is I feel a contributing mechanism AS IMPORTANT AS THE ACCESS TO 

WEAPONS.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:56 | 6683929 TeethVillage88s
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Systematically Ignoring the peoples will and even court decisions is dangerous to political careers, political networks, coalitions, financial supporters, and voter and youth support.

Democrats and progressives are living conspiracy groups.

Gun issue has been settled.

Raising the gun issue is a scheme against the voters and constitution.

Raising the gun issue is proof of Sedition and Treason.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 22:58 | 6683933 Charles Offdensen
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Would like to serve these people a lead salad!

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:02 | 6683941 Fred C Dobbs
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Concerns about taking guns!  Of course they want to take the guns.  They being the leftest loonies that have taken over the Democratic party.  Never doubt it and never forget it. 

 

 

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:15 | 6683967 hairball48
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<----- Look left. I'm holding it right here in front of you. Come and get it bitch.

:)

hairball

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 02:18 | 6684176 tarabel
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Tell her not to forget her checkbook.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:18 | 6683974 10mm
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While you still can, depending on state, get all the rifles or shotguns you can in personal buys. Ammo as well. Keep powder dry and arms greased. Better than gold. Always was.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:20 | 6683976 SSRI Junkie
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everytime dicktator obola opens his mouth on advocating gun control i think to myself he (and congress) has already bought more gun related stocks (as they are exempt from insider information laws)

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:30 | 6683995 Government need...
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The average portfolio gains by Congress critters rank in the top decile of professional asset managers. They good!

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:42 | 6684015 SSRI Junkie
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we'll never know as those scumbags probably also get a free ride on FATCA laws too no doubt and have their ill gotten gains parked outside this country and are unaccountable

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 00:27 | 6684085 Jack Oliver
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Obama is both a Dictator AND a 'Dicktaker' !

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:32 | 6683998 Goldilocks
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The History of Political Correctness (Complete)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs (22:26)
(@1:48) "Gramsci and Lukács argued that western culture had blinded the working class to its true Marxists class interests. Before a Marxists revolution could take place, western culture had to be destroyed."

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 00:09 | 6684058 centerline
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Hey.  Awesome.  I get to say fuck you to our resident deaf mute!  Yeah! 

 

Piss off Goldie.  Say something useful or GTFO. 

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:39 | 6684014 risk.averse
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For Hiliary Clinton to imply that the gun-back here in Australia was a success is sophistry at best, and down-right political bull-shite at worst. She's trying to sit on the fence because she realises any threat to forcibly reduce gun-ownership in the USA is political poison amongst *some* of the traditional Democrat heartland of blue-collar guys. However, she also wants to send a signal to what she hopes will be their new, future heartland: young, naiive people, often college "educated" (i.e. college indoctrinated), largely younger women -- i.e. people think with their hearts and who now respond in almost Pavlovian way when their emotions are manipulated.

All her oponents need to ask her is how does she intend to pay for a US version of the buy-back. It would cost, at least, tens of billions of dollars. And wouldn't such a massive amount of money save more lives if it were spent on improving hospitals, for example, where the death-toll from "accidents" and mis-diagnoses rivals the murder-rate.  In Australia, the Feds imposed an extra tax on all wage and salary earners. It raised the necessary amount but unfairly mean't that -- once again -- the wage slaves paid disportionately more than their fair share. It also, worrying, enshrined the notion that whenever the State feels like there's some worthy project it can sell to the voters it can just flick a switch and raise extra money via a "once-off" levy -- instead of using the regular tax revenue.

How effective would a buy-back be? Here in Asutralia it was mostly law-abiding citizens who queued-up -- as I did...not my proudest moment -- at the local buy-back centres to have their guns, illegal-sized (over 10-shot) magazines, etc assessed and purchased. A lot of what was handed was rubbish.

Bottom-line? Rates of gun-ownership have been rising here since the buy-back. It also created a thriving black-market in guns and ammo that was virtually non-existant before. The crooks now -- like their corporate cousins -- can broaden their business model by diversifying into gun-running. Hurrah. Increasing taxes to ridiculous levels on cigarettes had the same effect on illegal tobacco importing.

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 23:55 | 6684037 SSRI Junkie
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"362 gunshot victims, 59 murders in Chicago in September as America's strictest gun control city demonstrates utter stupidity of disarming law-abiding citizens"

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/051594_Chicago_gun_control_murder_rate.html

 

what more can you say

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 00:10 | 6684060 BullyBearish
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Why is it that our governmental elites are hell-bent on arming everyone from terrorists, to allies, to genociders but are even more hell-bent on DISARMING their own citizens...anyone have an answer, Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 00:31 | 6684087 Surveyor4Pres
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These idiotic Progressive Commies don't get it:

If they attempt to confiscate guns in America, it will result in a new Revolutionary War--one that reinstates and reaffirms our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

These joker politicians will then find themselves at the wrong end of a rope.

What I want to know is since when is it okay for the Secretary of State to conspire to sell American Uranium Ore to a Russian corporation.  That, in itself, is an act of treason.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 00:35 | 6684095 Jack Oliver
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A False Flag should do the trick ! We had one here in Australia to seperate us from gun ownership - organised by the CIA no doubt. We didn't know what a False Flag / Hoax was back then - so we surrended willingly - Then the same FUCKWIT who took the guns (PM John Howard) signed up for the 'coalition of the willing' ! Hindsight huh ???

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 02:16 | 6684175 tarabel
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They keep trying, and they keep getting the exact opposite of the reaction they were counting upon. As I have said on other occasions, there is only one force left on Earth that stands in the way of these ambitious tyrants worldwide.

American boys and American guns. God, how they hate us and would gladly feed us into the furnace if they could only figure out a way of safely risking it.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 07:10 | 6684364 iAmerican
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Those obedient to The Oath must turn together to our named Sovereign, for only by grace shall the Beast ba cast down.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 01:28 | 6684141 J Mahoney
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Hillbilly and Dumbasarock:

If you want to show true leadership on this issue, do away with guns in the possession of your secret service protection.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 02:10 | 6684173 tarabel
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I heartily encourage Mrs. Clinton to persist in this noble endeavor, and would even consider donating to her racket, er, campaign if she promises to pursue it without fail for the rest of the election cycle. 

Unlike her smart, albeit unprincipled, husband, she is incapable of learning from previous mistakes-- such as the tidal wave that the Clintons called down upon the heads of the Democratic Party in 1995 with the passage of the 1994 Assault Gun ban.

Even Nancy Pelosi wasn't sufficiently botoxed in the cranium to touch the necessary 10-year reauthorization with a 10-foot dildo.

If there is any scintilla of hope left for a relatively-peaceful renewal of America, it rests in the summoning of another grassroots earthquake brought to you courtesy of this astonishingly microcephalic quest to thoroughly alarm everyone into taking action at the ballot box.

You go, Gargoyle.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 02:18 | 6684178 The central planners
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I see that Ramirez is no longer making the cartoons

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 02:41 | 6684188 conraddobler
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One of the most interesting classes I ever had was my run of the mill anthropology class in college.   It was quite fascinating to learn more about how humans have behaved.

At our core it appears we're designed for most of our evolution to operate in small bands.

Once that got above a certain level of people things tended to go south and it would erupt into violence or a whole passel of them would just wander off at night.

The fireworks only started when two bands would bump into each other. 

History is not encouraging in terms of what humanity is capable of when it starts to really get cranking with the man's inhumanity to man stuff and so that's less than eccouraging on the other hand moving billions of human chess pieces around in a harmonic one world government seems to be a rather silly idea.

Only technology could possibly enable this to move out of the realm of pure fantasy.

Somewhere a nutcase named Ted is face palming and telling everyone I told you so.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 02:48 | 6684193 J Mahoney
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How long do we have to wait for Rush Limbaugh to recommend Republicans go and vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary--it may be our only chance to get rid of that 67 year old socialist (Hillary, not Bernie)--I think that would be sweet payback for all the shit she and Bill have pulled on the American people.

Interesting note--Oldest president on inaugeration day up to now---Ronald Reagan. ---- Hillary, Bernie and Trump would all beat that record. By the way--Ben Carson and Trump are a little weak on 2nd amendment so watch out

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 03:26 | 6684211 JailBanksters
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So where's the Government getting the Money from ?, well you

There going to take your Gun, and give you back your own money.

But the Governments probably already spend the Money, so the Government will have to come back and ask for their Money Back by you paying more Tax.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 06:33 | 6684330 Kprime
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you know how the stupid fuckers think.  They will pay for the gun buy back program with a new tax on gun purchases.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:42 | 6684510 JailBanksters
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it's funny cause it's probably will come true.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 03:37 | 6684218 Keyboard Kommando
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I so wish that nasty old dyke has a major stroke very soon!

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 04:07 | 6684242 Richard Head
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Come try and take mine, you traitorous, fat-ankled, lying cunt!

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 05:24 | 6684247 NuYawkFrankie
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Every time I see or hear the abominable entity known as "Hillary", I have to double-check that I haven't been cast into some infernal region of Hades.  And - Yes! - I'm being serious.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 04:13 | 6684250 YouSerious
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Its a good idea, Americans need to look into the Australian experience. America has way too many guns. Need to bankrupt the gun makers and go on a mission to buy back and confiscate all the guns. It might take 20 years but imagine what sort of country USA could become if they could be as safe as Australia. 

I would suggest you change the 2nd ammendment as well. Its just common sense guys.

 

Cheers

Aussie Futurist Capitilast

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 04:44 | 6684275 bunnyswanson
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Tell you what.  You disarm the bad guys, lock up all the rapists, drugged out thieves, and clean up the CORRUPTION AT THE TOP of this pile of dung, and I'll consider your advice.  Anticipating a collapse of the local currency, sending 300 million people into a state of utter despair may be the wrong time to leave yourself wide open to ... A home invasion and since criminals avoid prison, any witnesses will be dealt with accordingly. 

Mind your own business is what I am trying to say.  You obviously have too much time on your hands because your country is going to shit and you fucking well know it, mate.

http://www.homeownersinsurance.org/home-invasion-statistics/

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/gang-related-news (Gang News - Who, how many died and how)

"U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, killed with a Fast and Furious gun, was murdered by criminals working for the FBI. “It is clear that some of the weapons were deliberately allowed by the FBI and other government representatives to end up in the hands of the Sinaloa Cartel,” stated a motion filed in U.S. court by Zambada-Niebla’s defense team, adding that the U.S. government has documents showing that the weapons were provided by authorities pursuant to the agreement with Sinaloa.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/world/americas/us-drug-agents-launder-...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/17396-u-s-go...

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/13/u_s_deal_with_cartel_let_billions_of_dol...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-drug-trafficker-talks-about-mexican-drug-c...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/rape-in-america-cdc-study_n_578...

"...one in five women in the U.S. has been raped. That's over 23 million women."

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/measuring-the-extent-...

  • The most recent estimate of approximately 850,000 gang members represents an 8.6 percent increase over the previous year.
Mon, 10/19/2015 - 05:22 | 6684300 JamaicaJim
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LOL....

 

Are you smoking fucking crack?

"Safe as Australia".....YOU MUST BE smoking something.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:08 | 6684440 RabbitChow
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When guns were banned there with a mandatory turn-in, it was after a few years of very complicated registration.  In order to have a gun you had to have all sorts of registration -- I guess a carryover from the fact that Aus is a former British colony, and crown protectorates had very limited access to weapons usually.

And of course, when guns were finally taken there, the number of crimes committed at knife-point or other thins like a garotte increased.  I don't know if I would prefer being knifed or strangled, probably mostly like being shot is a preference -- get it over with quickly.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 09:14 | 6684587 F em all but 6
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GO FUCK YOURSELF

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 04:22 | 6684257 TheSheepWolf
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death...

 

Pretty scary. Paraguay and Costa Rica still doing better than US. Crazy...

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 04:37 | 6684267 mijev
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Screw the guns. I want a motherfucking flame thrower. Those things are so cool (ok hot).

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 05:14 | 6684293 wizteknet
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Mon, 10/19/2015 - 05:49 | 6684303 NuYawkFrankie
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She'll have to pry my Wehrmacht-issued P08 Luger outta my 150lb Rottweiler's fore-paws.

"Axel" don't take too kindly to gun-grabbers - 'specially ones that look like HildaBeast.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 06:02 | 6684319 SmallerGovNow2
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Cunt Hitlary...

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 06:13 | 6684316 Rastech
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“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” George Orwell

“Despotic governments can stand 'moral force' 'til the cows come home; what they fear is physical force.” George Orwell

“The notion that you can somehow defeat violence by submitting to it is simply a flight from fact. As I have said, it is only possible to people who have money and guns between themselves and reality.” George Orwell

"Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience." John Locke

Any legislation (or order, such as Executive Orders) that does not comply with the Law, is illegal, and void. The Second Amendment, is the Law. The Rule of Law is literal., and nobody has any authority to say or pretend different. If Clinton is saying she has the power to contradict the Second Amendment (or anyone else, even the Supreme Court does not have the power or authority to say different), then she is saying that "The Law is what 'she' says it is". This is the assumption of the proven lie and despotic tyranny of "Divine Right", the lawless State.

Lawless States always fail, usually that failure is catastrophic, and it is usually accompanied by great bloodshed (primarily of those that have assumed Divine Right usually, along with their supporters and enablers - e.g. the use of Madame Guillotine in the French Revolution - yet these retards are frightened of GUNS?).

The false sense of security provided by the citizenry being armed, usually allows those with tyrannical ambitions enough time to wise up and change their behaviour. Taking guns off people won't save them. The biggest riot I have seen in my life was being carried out by unarmed citizens. Even so, square miles of Police in the best riot gear available, couldn't cope, and they were literally shitting themselves behind the Police lines (you could smell it above the tear gas).

The Government didn't survive the uprising.

The consent of the People can be withdrawn at any time, and not just at elections (always true historically, and recently true in places such as Romania - 2012, booted corrupt Government out, the replacement proved to be just as bad, and they were booted out a few months later - and Egypt - a tyrannical MB Government got booted out when the army went to the aid of the People).

The odds for tyrants are never as good as they think they are. They are very prone to issuing decrees that turn out to be their suicide notes.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 06:10 | 6684321 Tortuga
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Wow.

I have it on impecable authority, 2 guys in suits and ties overheard in the VFW bar about reasons to buy some of Doug Casey's devlopment in Argentina, that there are additional progressive memes to come later.

Executive orders for Moritorium on all drilling for oil and gas! releasing all prisoners from prison and death rows, DOJ civil rights division and IRS contorl of www, union shops declared by union without votes with all dues paid by govt, re-education camps for global warming deniers, christians, pardons for all banksters, recognition of PLA as a nation, most favored nation with Iran, removal of 10 commandments from Supreme Court building, making it a misdemenor for buring christians at the stake and head chopping, no taxes at all for incomes below 75K, nullifying all ID requirements for welfare and voting, all cities receiving federal funds to be sanctuary cities, Total and immediate retroactive citizenship for refugee infiltrators, from everywhere but Western civilization, including recent ones!...

It's great to see her talking truth to us minions.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 06:44 | 6684338 gaoptimize
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"I could imagine any number of other factors that might be more likely a determinant of the murder rate than gun ownership." And you are to PC to mention it in the body of your article.  Anyone can do the analysis copying tabular demographic and gun violence data available at Wikipedia into Excel.  Fine.  You won't say it, so I won't say it, but it is highly correlated with population density and I'll leave it with that.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 06:54 | 6684344 beaglebog
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Ultimately, you hand 'em over ... OR, you kill the people who  demand them.

 

Them's the only two choices you EVER had.

 

All the "political solutions" are bullshit ... there simply to weaken your resolve.  There is no "third way".

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 06:57 | 6684348 bunnyswanson
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The PTB know the Americans are going to be absolutely furious when they finally smell the coffee (a day too late).  The rage will be immeasurably palpable.  And the maestroes of this crime against humanity know exaxtly what they would do should it be the other way around.  Cops are going to realize their retirements are mirages.  Once the cops join the people, it's game over for The Losers at the Top.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:18 | 6684458 Collapsed_Elast...
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Just say you lost them and carry on. Literally. 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 09:06 | 6684572 beaglebog
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Think it through and you'll see that, "I lost 'em." is no solution.

 

You will have weapons that you dare not use, nor even speak about.

 

If it comes to, "I lost 'em."... then the gun-grabbers have won, hands-down. Weapons that you fear to use, are worse-than-useless.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:08 | 6684726 Crocodile
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God has already determined the day and the manner in which we will all face death before we were even born.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 07:22 | 6684376 TongueStun
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The 2nd amendment basically says tyrants who would take away or God Given Rights can legally be shot, and their governments legally overthrown. People like Hillary and Barak are the reason the founding fathers gave us the right to own guns...to protect ourselves against  a tyrannical government.

 

Hillary should move to Australia.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 07:29 | 6684382 Navymugsy
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I have good friends in Oz. I just can't do that to them.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 07:44 | 6684403 Last of the Mid...
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Ummm cold dead hands mean anything to you scumbitch?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:11 | 6684420 teutonicate
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"Hillary Clinton's extreme views are completely out of touch with the American people."

This quote is the essence of this article.

Even though I have never agreed with most of their politics, I used to think that the Clinton’s were at least somewhat politically savvy.

Now I just think that they are clinging on to the last vestiges of a bankrupt “68er” ideology that is seriously in decline.

Unfortunately, declines are often not pretty, especially when the ideology in decline is shared by a lot of TPTB.

Civil wars are spawned from such things, and sometimes a lot of innocents get hurt.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 07:52 | 6684422 silverer
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One million dollars per firearm.  And Hillary has to become personally liable for all crimes committed with a firearm against anyone.  Fair.  Of course, always keep a spare someplace, just in case.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:08 | 6684442 steelrules
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The ultimate goal is a totaly dissarmed populace, and it has nothing to do with public safety, it has everything to do with the dystopian world that is and will be forced upon us if they can succeed.

It's election day here in Canada, there are 3 political parties that could form the government according to polls, 2 want to take our guns and one that pays lip service to gun owners, granted they have so far not signed the UN Small arms Treaty.

The "pro gun" Conservatives are also the ones that are pushing the TPP and brought in C-51 the Canadian version of the Patriot Act. So I go to the polls today holding back vomit in my throat as I place a X next to a name that I think will leave my guns alone.

A word to my American cousins. Never relinquish your Second Amendement it's the only thing standing between you and total tyranny.   

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:35 | 6684496 TongueStun
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AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE A GUN PROBLEM

 

America has a violent kneegrow problem.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:54 | 6684522 Crocodile
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Ms. Clinton,

We give arms to the Mexican drug cartels and drop 50 billion to an enemy and you want to violate the Constitution again by taking the citizens guns.  Now you know who they (Clintons/Obama handlers) perceive as their real enemy; they are right?!

 

Many people believe that guns have real life and kill/murder; failing to realize it is people.  The Pharmaceutical industry is responsible for more deaths than people with guns.  Poison kills more people than people with guns each year.  Accidents kill more people than people with guns.

 

How hard is that to understand?  People willingly give up liberties and never realizing the real problem is a lack of moral character and a devaluing of life; such as Clinton supports the murder and selling of baby parts via Planned Parenthood and young people via the US Military, Mercenaries, the support of terrorists and drone strikes.  The root of the problem is the devaluing of human life, a moral issue.

 

I quit voting, for their is no difference between the parties & one must be corrupt to the core to reach such a level; it is a one party system and no one of real character, such as Ben Carson, can get past the erected barriers apart from divine intervention.

 

Now you know why the Supreme Court decided that a corporation is a person; opens the floodgate of corporate campaign donations.  Also, allows for criminal behavior and no one goes to jail because you can't put a corporation in a jail.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:42 | 6684513 mr coffee
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Firstly, you can own firearms in Australia.

You need to pass a test to show you understand how to safely operate and store firearms.

You are of a suitable mental state.

You have a purpose, your a farmer, you belong to a gun club, its a sport, etc

The weapons are purchased through licensed dealers and the weapon is registered with the state.

You have appropriate lockable storage for your firearms and ammunition.

Certain weapons such as fully automatic weapons are illegal.

These are the type of regulations you would expect of anyone who wants to drive a car or a truck or operate heavy machinery etc.

Whats the big deal America?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:46 | 6684518 dock3511
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Do the criminals obey these rules? 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:55 | 6684534 TongueStun
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can't you read?

 

the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed......

 

It's there to PROTECT US FROM THE GOVERNMENT......

 

Morons have a difficult time with that concept.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:06 | 6684718 Crocodile
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Reprobate minds think alike.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:54 | 6684535 Jameson18
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NSW police commissioner Andrew Scipione explained:

“There is no single source of gun violence… guns have fallen into the hands of organized crime, outlaw motorcycle gangs, mid-level crime groups and petty thieves and the lines are often blurred.”

Not ironically, Australia implemented a massive purge of guns in 1996, which included bans on “assault weapons” and other semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. They also did forced buybacks and then entered into a strict licensing and registration agreement where certain single-shot rifles and similar firearms could be owned but only if the owner provided justification for the possession of such a weapon.

Yet 17 years after the implementation of gun control schemes that are very similar in many ways to those being pushed by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Joe Manchin (D-WV), and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the NSW police department is launching a new operation to rein in gun violence.

The lesson: criminals do not pay attention to gun bans. They never have and they never will.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:55 | 6684537 Jameson18
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Since Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime
has risen dramatically on that continent, prompting critics of U.S. gun
control efforts to issue new warnings of what life in America could be
like if Congress ever bans firearms.

After Australian lawmakers passed widespread gun bans, owners were
forced to surrender about 650,000 weapons, which were later slated for
destruction, according to statistics from the Australian Sporting
Shooters Association.

The bans were not limited to so-called “assault” weapons or
military-type firearms, but also to .22 rifles and shotguns. The effort
cost the Australian government about $500 million, said association
representative Keith Tidswell.

Though lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer
country, the nation’s crime statistics tell a different story:

 

  • Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

     

  • Assaults are up 8.6 percent;

     

  • Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;

     

  • In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed
    300 percent;

     

  • In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been
    dropping steadily;

     

  • There has been a reported “dramatic increase” in home burglaries
    and assaults on the elderly.

At the time of the ban, which followed an April 29, 1996
shooting at a Port Arthur tourist spot by lone gunman Martin Bryant, the
continent had an annual murder-by-firearm rate of about 1.8 per 100,000
persons, “a safe society by any standards,” said Tidswell. But such low
rates of crime and rare shootings did not deter then-Prime Minister John
Howard from calling for and supporting the weapons ban.

Since the ban has been in effect, membership in the Australian
Sporting Shooters Association has climbed to about 112,000 — a 200
percent increase.

Australian press accounts report that the half a million-plus figure
of weapons turned in to authorities so far only represents a tiny
fraction of the guns believed to be in the country.

According to one report, in March 1997 the number of privately-held
firearms in Australia numbered around 10 million. “In the State of
Queensland,” for example, the report said only “80,000 guns have been
seized out of a total of approximately 3 million, a tiny fraction.”

And, said the report, 15 percent of the more than half a million guns
collected came from licensed gun dealers.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:05 | 6684716 Crocodile
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The Aussie's would deny all that you said because they caved.  But we will have ours taken away in due time, for we have been given over to useless or reprobate minds.  A mind that is incapable of doing what it righteous.  We will argue and sell a baby part for a buck.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 09:08 | 6684575 beaglebog
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Guns are property ... and I don't need "your permission" to own property.

 

That is the "big deal".  Commie.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:35 | 6684834 Abaco
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Don't need or want your approval to exercise my right to prepare for defense of my life or property. So, kindlt take your pussy australian trust of government and shove it right up your ass.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:46 | 6684517 TongueStun
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How many blax has racist kneegrow Obowelmovement charged with Federal Gun Law crimes?

 

The same amount of blax that Obowelmovement charged with Federal Hate Crimes Charges for "playing" the Knockout "Game" with whitey....Yep, the socialist jew media calls serial kneegrow on white hate crime attacks "playing" a "game"....but I digress.....

 

Democrat gun laws are not for kneegrow criminals, they are for law abiding white citizens....

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:54 | 6684532 Able Ape
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Hillary is a douchebag who needs to be put out to pasture; anybody who expects anything USEFUL and MEANINGFUL from her would get more from a piece of day-old dog shit.....

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:55 | 6684533 RabbitOne
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If Hillary gets her way I guess I am going to be a gun criminal or dead…

Molon Labe

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 08:56 | 6684542 Crocodile
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Ms. Clinton,

We give arms to the Mexican drug cartels and drop 50 billion to an enemy and you want to violate the Constitution again by taking the citizens guns.  Now you know who they (Clintons/Obama handlers) perceive as their real enemy; they are right?!

 

Many people believe that guns have real life and kill/murder; failing to realize it is people.  The Pharmaceutical industry is responsible for more deaths than people with guns.  Poison kills more people than people with guns each year.  Accidents kill more people than people with guns.

 

How hard is that to understand?  People willingly give up liberties and never realizing the real problem is a lack of moral character and a devaluing of life; such as Clinton supports the murder and selling of baby parts via Planned Parenthood and young people via the US Military, Mercenaries, the support of terrorists and drone strikes.  The root of the problem is the devaluing of human life, a moral issue.

 

I quit voting, for their is no difference between the parties & one must be corrupt to the core to reach such a level; it is a one party system and no one of real character, such as Ben Carson, can get past the erected barriers apart from divine intervention.

 

Now you know why the Supreme Court decided that a corporation is a person; opens the floodgate of corporate campaign donations.  Also, allows for criminal behavior and no one goes to jail because you can't put a corporation in a jail.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 09:02 | 6684558 RabbitOne
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Every time they ask Hillary this question she turns green “…How many killings has America had at Gun Shows in the last 100 years?…” Answer: Zero…Molon Labe

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 09:30 | 6684627 _SILENCER
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This whole thread makes me want to run out and buy a new shotgun, just for the fuck of it. I do goddamn love me some 1 oz slugs. I think a Remmy 1100 tac would suit the need just fine.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 09:35 | 6684641 Vin
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We all know that exec orders are not laws, and unconstitutional laws are non-laws.

The bitch can do whatever the hell she wants, it won't effect any of us.  Just ignore and nullify.  Fuck her.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 09:38 | 6684649 F em all but 6
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The Gun control act of 1968 and amendments would allow confiscation under the federal taxing and commerce powers. Think Sumaary siezure and forfiture laws. Congress in effect through their ACT has (unconstitutionally) extended a PLENARY POWER that is JUDICIALLY IMMUNE from the second amendments protections under the doctrine of separation of powers. This being true as the courts have set forth, WHY has the NRA et al FAILED to identify the issue and then properly bring a case before a court that SITS IN A CAPACITY THAT can hear those arguments????

 

Ignorance is no excuse. The legal framework put in place through State federal cooperation has DESTROYED the STANDING of the PUBLIC/ CITIZEN upon which the second amendment applies. This FACT has DESTROYED and therefore violates the DUE PROCESS CLAUSE.

Another way to look at the issue from a purely judicial perspective. STANDING CREATES JURISDICTION....HOW A COURT SITS IN RELATION TO A (SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT) AS THAT RIGHT IS AFFECTED BY THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW IS DEPENDENT ON THE CONTEXT OF AN INDIVIDUALS CIRCUMSTANCES. THE LAW HAS MADE IT APPEAR TO THE COURTS THAT YOU NOW FIT A CLASS UPON WHICH YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES MAKES YOU SIMILARLY SITUATTED AS THOSE ENGAGED IN AN ACTIVITY UPON WHICH THE SA HAS NO APPLICATION. Another way to put this. Do you think the courts of law and equity GIVE TWO SHITS WHO is affected by the LAW upon the Chain of TRANSFER???? Does anyone here know what the BATF is and its legitimate purpose under the federal taxing power???? Summary (administrative) control over taxable PROPERTY as it is TRANSFERED (taxable privilege) via COMMERCE between MANUFACTURER and DEALER ...AND THEN THE ACT AT ISSUE RQUIRES THE PROPERTY TO BE RETRANSFERED(BATF FORM SUPPLIED BY FFL) BETWEEN DEALER AND CITIZEN UNDER THE EXACT SAME SUMMARY ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL WHEREBY NEVER RELEASING THE PROPERTY FROM THE TAXING COMMERCE FEDERAL JURISDICTION!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE ARE YOU REALLY ALL THAT GOD DAMN IGNORTANT????

And now due to the extension of a plenary power within the law, YOU look like, or are similarly situated as a person or entity engaged in an ACTIVITY that lies beyond the scope of the second amendments protections.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:51 | 6684877 iAmerican
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Jesuitical and Talmudic legalisms may satisfy Gog's and Babylon's cultic Fifth Column overthrow of God in their satanically-possessed minds, but do not intrude between America's named Sovereign, God Almighty, the perfect, infinite, eternal, living, present, ineffable, invisible, holy, righteous, and unique Creator of the universe, and the true and sovereign People's covenanted practical means to defend, maintain, and effect our divine right of Individual Sovereignty, regardless of the number of hoax and psyop "mass shootings" performed by the Anti-Christ's Rothschild/Rockefeller Talmud/papist Organized Crime faction, now seeking to restore their "Wall Street of slavery" here in Isaiah's actual true and prophesied "Israel," America.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 09:47 | 6684665 _SILENCER
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If Trump wants to be president, all he has to do is take his jacket off during a speech to reveal a 1911 in a shoulder rig. The crowd would lose their shit as he states "your second amendment rights are safe with me."

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:31 | 6684820 SirBarksAlot
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So, the government gives guns to the Mexican drug cartels and the "moderate terrorists" in the Middle East, including Israel.

But they're going to take the taxpayers guns.

They might get the bullets, but I don't think they'll get the guns.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:34 | 6684827 numapepi
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Gun control in the US is the key to the new world order. Slaves are never allowed to have guns.

Like in the Warsaw ghetto in 1943, when the Nazis exclaimed in horror, "The Jews have GUNS!!!"

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 10:48 | 6684837 RabbitOne
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I just got off the phone with an old friend who is way more politically savvy than me. He said “…Hillary is obviously desperate to make such a statement. It is an overt attempt of win over liberal Sanders voters to get the nomination. I am surprised Bill let her do it. It may appeal to women, but think about it…With more than 2.5 million Midwesterners going deer hunting in about a month I can hear it now over a few beers around the campfire. ‘…hey Joe you going to let old hilly take away your new  deer rifle you just paid $1500 for, hee hee hee…’  It is not going to take many of these conversations to get males super anti-Hillary… Then over the holidays anyone exposing their support for Hillary at a family event is going to get an earful. I can hear a male telling a female now ‘..so you want to take the guns away and vote for Hillary. Well,… when a illegal alien busts your front door down with an AR-15 in his hand  what are you going to fight him off with knitting needles…’ …So no Hillary loses as much as she gains from proposing gun confiscation…”

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:22 | 6685919 DosZap
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"Do a web search for "burglar sues homeowner."

Prepare to be dumbfounded."

 

That's why a cessation of breathing MANDATORY.

Clinton is just blathering, there can BE no such thing as a MANDATORY buy back as long as there is a 2nd Amendment, and a SCOTUS that has ALREADY ruled.I say keep talking bitch, you and your cohorts, all it does is sell more guns and ammo,AND dump $$$$$$$ in the NRA,GOA coffers, and GUARANTEE your loss in 2016, IF you're even the Nominee.

Who would confiscate?, not the military,they are on the 2nd's side, and so are 90% of the street cops.

She's the same old bitch she always has been.

Anything to try and get Erected.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:05 | 6686686 monad
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Hitler did this too.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 01:29 | 6688354 bunnyswanson
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Who exactly wants to disarm Americans?

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2985596/pg1

 

1968: The Gun Control Act of 1968 comes from JEW Rep. Emanuel Celler’s House bill H.R. 17735

1988: Senate bill S. 1523 is sponsored by JEW Senator Howard Metzenbaum

1988: JEW Senator Metzenbaum co-sponsors a bill — S. 2180

1990: JEW Senator Herbert Kohl introduces bill S.2070, the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990,

1993: Senate bill S.653 is sponsored by JEW Sen. Howard Metzenbaum.

1994: JEW Senator Metzenbaum introduces S.1878, the Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994, aka “Brady II.” jew Rep. Schumer sponsored “Brady II” sister legislation [H.R. 1321] in the U.S. House of Representatives.

1993: Senate bill S.653 is sponsored by JEW Sen. Howard Metzenbaum. It bans specific semiautomatic rifles, but also gives the Secretary of the Treasury the power to add any semiautomatic firearm to the list at a later date.

February, 1994: The Brady Law, which requires waiting periods to buy handguns, becomes effective. JEW Senator Metzenbaum wrote the Brady Bill. Metzenbaum sponsored the bill in the Senate. The sponsor of the bill in the House was Jewish Rep. Charles Schumer.

1994: Jewish Senator Metzenbaum introduces S.1878, the Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994, aka “Brady II.” Jewish Rep. Schumer sponsored “Brady II” sister legislation [H.R. 1321] in the U.S. House of Representatives.

September, 1994: The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 goes into effect, including a provision that bans the manufacture and possession of semiautomatic rifles described as “assault weapons.” [Note: true assault weapons are fully automatic, not semiautomatic]. That gun-ban provision was authored in the Senate by Jewish Senator Dianne Feinstein and authored in the House by Jewish Congressman Schumer.

1995: Jewish Senators Kohl, Specter, Feinstein, Lautenberg and others introduce the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1995, an amended version of the 1990 school-zone law which was struck down in court as being unconstitutional.

September, 1996: The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation provision becomes law. It is part of a larger omnibus appropriations bill. It was sponsored by Jewish Senator Frank Lautenberg. It bans people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from ever owning a gun.

1997: Senate bill S. 54, the Federal Gang Violence Act of 1997, proposes much harsher sentences for people violating minor gun laws, including mandatory prison sentences and forfeiture of property. It was introduced by Jew Dianne Feinstein and a non-Jewish Senator [Hatch], among others. It returns the idea of turning every violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 into a RICO predicate offense.

January, 1999: Jewish Senator Barbara Boxer introduces bill S.193, the American Handgun Standards Act of 1999.

January, 1999: Jewish Senator Kohl introduces bill S.149, the Child Safety Lock Act of 1999. It would to require a child safety lock in connection with transfer of a handgun.

February, 1999: Jewish Senator Frank Lautenberg introduces bill S.407, the Stop Gun Trafficking Act of 1999

February, 1999: Jewish Senator Lautenberg introduces S.443, the Gun Show Accountability Act of 1999.

March, 1999: Jewish Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.560, the Gun Industry Accountability Act of 1999

March, 1999: Jewish Senator Feinstein introduces bill S.594, the Large Capacity Ammunition Magazine Import Ban Act of 1999.

May, 2000: Senate bill S. 2515, Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2000, is submitted by Jewish Senator Feinstein, Jewish Senator Barbara Boxer, Jewish Sen. Lautenberg and Jewish Sen. Schumer. It is a plan for a national firearms licensing system.

January, 2001: Senate bill S.25, Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2001, is sponsored by Jews Feinstein, Schumer, and Boxer. It is a nation-wide gun registration plan [apparently there were two versions of that Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act bill].

May, 2003: Jewish Senators Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer and others introduce legislation that would reauthorize the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, and, close a loophole in the law that allows large-capacity ammunition magazines to be imported into the U.S. The ban is scheduled to expire in September, 2004.

October, 2003: Jewish Senators Feinstein, Lautenberg, Levin and Schumer co-sponsor bill S.1774, designed to stop the sunset [ending] of the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988.

March, 2005: Jewish Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.645, “to reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act,” in other words, to reinstate the 1994 assault-rifle ban [also known as the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994"] which expired in late 2004.

March, 2005: Jewish Senator Feinstein introduces bill S.620, “to reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act,” in other words, to reinstate the 1994 assault-rifle ban [also known as the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994"] which expired in late 2004.
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